Stranger of Paradise is just something else man. Switching between two classes mid combo and maxing out two classes to upgrade a new hybrid class are two of my favourite systems in gaming.
So for Strangers of Paradise, not sure when dlc came out but on that gilgamesh difficulty shit is already difficult af, there is still the max difficulty lufenia also and this guy saying it was easy made me think he probably just beat the story on normal or even hard which is still easy, probably did chaos with extra mode too. Another thing he said about gear system in SoP is that you can just click OPTIMIZE GEAR and it will equip you highest level loot but it doesn't mean that that gear is better than some of your other ones you can do a customized build 16:03 and have so many combinations woth different classes and sifferent playstyles it's crazy and labyrinth stuff is pretty difficult but fun too, I feel like this rundown of SoP was before dlc or idk because it doesn't make sense otherwise, definitely better than Nioh 1 at least in my opinion, didn't care for story in either but gameplay feels more fun with SoP
@@Coolkid4205 I haven’t played it on the hardest difficulty, but Neo two is definitely harder than all the other difficulties of stranger. Paradise. Nioh 2 had some crazy unfair, fights, and parts.
Can we just stop calling these Team Ninja Soulslike and start calling "Nioh-like"? Basic similarities aside these games are quite different and has unique style and gameplay to stand on its own ground.
I agree but this video title would have been kinda complicated. Ranking all Nioh and souls/borne games Thats long.I believe it is far more simple to just put Nioh in there too.The basic Idea of Nioh is basically the same:Murder your way through a place to get to a boss fight.
About wo long: "The spells are too slow." I gotta be the comment guy that says that you likely didn't quite do it right. Try weaving spells in after your deflects and you'll realize how much more interesting combat can be when all of your abilities get to work together. Nioh 2 still too goated, but wo long's systems are being judged by the wrong metrics by a lot of people with followings, so hearing that compelled me to correct it.
Honestly, i started to think of the Wo Long wizardry spells like Sekiro shinobi tools and they improved a lot for me. Even shifted my build to have them play more of a part in combat, it's pretty fun. Sadly i have stopped playing Wo Long because i got the itch to play some Nioh 2... and now i'm addicted to it again lmao.
As somebody who is playing Wolong, I disagree with OP. The magic just doesn't feel as satisfying as utilitarian as it is. And then the 5 phases is just. "I don't care, outside of niche situations. You just parry most things anyways. Wizardry just feels so at odds with it's gameplay loop in already pretty easy game." Don't get me wrong, I think Wo Long is a fantastic game. But it doesn't exist in isolation from these other games. It also doesn't help that the Morale system is pretty much required for most of the useful skills, and even without caring about the Wizardry skills... they don't offer much outside of slightly situational buffs or debilitations. And compare that to Nioh 1 and 2, the magic system of Wo Long is fundamentally worse in every way. Like, fullstop. The magic system is just bad in Wo Long. The Parry system and Martial Arts system is too useful by comparison to ever want to waste time using Wizardry, even when in advantage. There is rarely ever a time you'll want it past debuffing or buffing before a fight, or applying things like poison. Wizardry feels... more like a co-op thing you coordinate with your friends. To be useful in situations without throwing a fight or encounter... when the game just doesn't play in a way where you will practically need Wizardry. It just doesn't feel good to use either even when you can argue you may find SOME use for it. (What that use will be, I really could not tell you. The game is just that generally much easier to use deflect into Martial arts lol.) The fact you can brute force more efficiently, versus finding a situation where you need it past removing field effects or buffs... is really telling. Where in games like Nioh 1 and 2. "I need to apply as many debuffs as I can, so I can go back to doing my long ass combos." really does say a lot about the balance differences. You also just feel generally more rewarded for exploiting weaknesses with Omniyo and Ninpo Magics. Granted, Nioh 1 and 2 generally reward you getting the most out of options for your builds. Kinda feels like a real time Shin Megami Tensei type affair if I am honest, and it's just really satisfying because it feels like you earn victories. In Wo Long, kinda feels handed to you with how... simple the mechanics are by comparison.
@@stephengross9441 Nioh 3 would be a ways off. Rise of the Ronin is next. Sometime this decade they are going to do reboots of Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive.
It's obvious that Wolong did not do very well in the vertical integration, maybe because of the budgets, maybe because it's something else like the actual faculties that directs the game. Whatever the reason it is, the game itself can be viewed as a product opening to market, with a huge subtraction on the combat system and with a better guidance. And it indeed listens to the feedback from the community. I agree that Ronin project should be the exclusive spot to focus on.
@@yamnbam4346 yea Rise of the Ronin will be its own game, but they aren't going to reinvent the wheel combat wise. It will be interesting to see how their experience with Nioh and Wo Long will carry over into this.
Talking about Stranger of Paradise : "Combat is not as extensive and in depth, as, say, Dark Souls or even Nioh". Could you please elaborate on that? I just can't see how Stranger's combat with fully customizable movesets for every weapon, including equipable enemy abilities on post-game gear, and a plethora of defensive and offensive options for any play-style can be described as more shallow than that of Dark Souls.
Yea he clearly either didn't play the game to it's fullest extent or just hit the opitmize gear button throughout most of the playthrough (Which will NOT carry you on higher difficulties). SOP is way more in-depth just on the job system alone, nevermind the job affinity system.
My thought exactly lmao strangers of paradise has one of the most fully realized action RPG mechanics with every job feeling like playing a different character in its own action game
I haven't played Stranger is Paradise but I played Dark Souls a lot and its combat is extremely simplified, it's on level of old Onimushas, not quite DMC or Nioh level.
@@KasumiRINAlow IQ take. You're not using the tools the game gives you. DMC is a joke. Combo simulator with 0 difficulty lmao. Nioh is a souls ripoff as admitted by their own developer marketing it as a soulslike 😂
Stranger of paradise is underrated. Its one of the best with team ninja. Its unique in its own way which make it for me one at top. The job system and the diverse build creation is unlimited. People dont really know how good stranger of paradise is.
IMO: Nioh 2 > SoP > Wo Long > Nioh I don't know how you can say SoP doesn't have combat as indepth as Dark Souls games. The combat is pretty customizable and offers a lot of variety. Not surprising Nioh 2 is top dog, but my issue with Nioh 1 is that it plays and feels like a tech demo at times. It's clear it has many rough edges. Wo Long is good, but it also lacks polish when it came out and it's combat is simple.
100% agree with this list. I also consider SoP to be way harder than wo long I don’t know why he didn’t mention that. If you play on hard mode, or in NG+ chaos mode, damn it’s as hard as Nioh 2 (although I found SoP to be quite unfair many times more compared to Nioh 2) The combo and class system and especially customisation in FFO is also one of the best from team ninja, only behind Nioh 2 as its stance system allows for even more depth. The items are a lot, more than any other game, that’s true, but that contributes to make an enormous amount of build variety.
Wo is a combo of that and sekiro how is wo not better and imma big fan of nioh my fav type well I didnt play wo yet but I did play sekiro and I like nioh better both great classic
@devibezshow wrong cause wo is a combo of that like why do u people always get stuck with certain titles nioh is my fav souls like even though I didnt play wo I know I'll like it better cause it's a combo of sekiro and nioh my 2 fav types Most people who not stuck say sekiro for from is the best and most who like the ninja team knows niohs is the best best of both worlds
@mikejenkins4924 wrong cause wo is a combo of that like why do u people always get stuck with certain titles nioh is my fav souls type like even though I didnt play wo yet I know I'll like it better cause it's a combo of sekiro and nioh my 2 fav types Most people who not stuck say sekiro for from is the best and most who like the ninja team knows niohs is the best best of both worlds So yea wo is better cause it's a combo but that doesn't mean the nioh series is bad just not as advanced now if you're meaning more fun well that can be opinion but I don't see how when as I say agian wo is a combo of sekiro and nioh
Does nioh 2 have level requirements like nioh 1 for missions (only played that one)? Bc that really annoyed me, I never played the dlc because my character was like level 120 after killing the final boss and the first dlc required him to be 150 or something and I didn't want to farm for hours, also almost every enemy one shot me in the end game so a random zombie did as much damage as a huge boss... And the side missions just sucked with how hard the enemies became (those two bird warrior mini bosses at the same time were horrendous) and you had to do the whole thing again if you died. I hope they improved this in nioh 2 I really want to play it eith a friend some time
Can't go back to Nioh and Wo Long after SOP all 35 jobs, chain canceling, soul shield SOP feels like a ninja gaiden with final fantasy based Story is good cause I like the FF1 world. In Wo Long and Nioh i pretty much didn't care about the Japan and China history war. This is the best axe in all games existed not getting overshadowed by fast and meta weapons.
Agree. For me, SOP was exhilarating because the bosses hit hard but had obvious tells and even the names of spells overhead. Gave good windows to defend while punishing if you screwed up.
@@Jack_Garland78 Same, I think it's even the best modern FF game, I already find it better than the upcoming XVI and that's not even out yet (Will still give it a shot when it releases though).
I actually went from playing Ninja Gaiden Black into Strangers of Paradise with a bit of Dead or Alive thrown into the mix (went on a Team Ninja binge... didn't have a PS4 at the time so Nioh was sadly out of reach, and Wo Long hadn't yet released). SoP scratched that 3D Ninja Gaiden itch in many ways except essence charging. But the soul shield, chain cancelling and parry mechanics were wonderfully satisfying and a great substitute. The combat was really satisfying but the game got especially grindy and became more about optimising gear during the 2nd DLC after rift level 101. It was still far better than the supposedly mediocre memefest game I was expecting to find.
SOP is peak for me because it's just so damn fun, every time I think I'm done I find a new way to use a weapon or a job combo, or a new skill I've never touched so there I go to menu to make a build (which is so much less of a headache that builds in Nioh). Add to that the Final Fantasy flair, which as a FF enjoyer is still amazing. I love Nioh and Ninja Gaiden, but SOP is easily one of my fav games of all time. Top 5 for sure. I can't say I'd rank the rest anywhere near even though I love them too
Nioh 2 is hands down the best game Team Ninja has put out. If you're looking for a game that you can literally play for years without getting bored, Nioh 2 can objectively give you the best bang for your buck.
Nioh feels most original and inspired of them all. That's why it would be my nr. 1 pick. It nearly cost me my vocal cords but so did Nioh 2 and Wo Long.
Wo longs difficulty is just so unevenly paced though, didn’t die once after the cow head boss until I hit lu bu, then didn’t die once until blindfolded boy who I still can’t beat, yet
You did no death until cow head but can’t beat blindfold boy. I remember dying once to blindfold boy cus I was literally laying in bed and my girl was playing with my dick and I almost beat him. Lu bu difficulty spike was fucked up. I wish the rest of the game was like that. I don’t remember the bosses after lu bu cus I melted everything after that
My issue is the levels, the only boss that took me more than 5 tries was aoye at 30, but the basic enemies frequently destroyed me for whatever reason.
As a huge Team Ninja Fan too I completely agree to this list 👍🏻 I‘ve got 400hrs in Nioh and even over 1000 in Nioh 2. Yes I was there in NG5+ in the 30 depths after 100 floors of the underworld. This deepness is by far the best soulslike ever made.
@@CygnusX-11 Cuz team ninja indeed has the best ACT combat systems among all ARPGs. I won't argue if it can or should be categorized into Souls-like. But at least from my experience , I have restarted 3 new games in nioh2 only practicing spears, till after completing depth 30. These spear training NGs already consumed 230 hours, and compare to those fluent spear players, I would say I could only play 50% 60% of the weapon. 1000 hours is not a big number in Nioh2 compared to some insanely good former Ninja Gaiden players from either Japan or China. They are 2000h or more.
@@carlchen7948 damn that's crazy... i'm playing Wo long (my first team ninja game) and i do agree that the combat system is amazing and addictive, even better than sekiro! however, i'm very disappointed with the graphics and level design, no area really stand up or memorable in the game. and wo long legit looks like a game from 2012 which makes the levels even harder to navigate.
@@CygnusX-11 It's obvious that they didn't put too much budget on Wolong, or didn't have their old Nioh crews and programmers do the project. (Even the replenishments on consuming items were recently updated). Ronin Project is Yasuda's main focus IMO.
I'm a Team ninja fan as well (as well as souls player) and I loved SoP, especially once all of its DLC was out, but saying the combat system/mechanics are not as in-depth as a souls game is the dumbest thing I have ever heard (sorry to sound so harsh). Also I disagree as classifying any of these games as "souls-likes" even if their marketing is based around the term. this is because they take much more from their Ninja Gaiden games (especially Nioh) then mechanics that Fromsoft popularized. Most souls games have a very simple combat system consisting of light attack , heavy attack , magic spells, shield parry, I-frame rolls, bows, some weapon skills and that about sums up combat depth in souls games. Souls games have one mechanic that make everything trivial, the I-frame rolls. Games like SoP on the other hand have a parry/absorb mechanic, a dual class system with customizable moves of all weapon classes (10-13 total), 35-36 jobs to make builds around, active abilities along with weapon skills (all can be customized and swapped out at any time), passive combat buffs, a DMC style devil trigger mode (3 types once you beat the game and get to the DLC), a job cancel mechanic that adds ton to combat depth and cool combos, fully customizable NPC allies (or you could play solo) and as the cherry on top you have the diablo/looter RPG mechanics/stats that add a ton of repeatability and endgame. Souls games are not even in the same league as SoP and Nioh in terms of combat depth. People seriously underestimate how deep SoP really is and while its not as mechanically technical as Nioh 2 it has just as much depth in its RPG mechanics and build diversity. As far as my top modern TN games I would put Wo Long last because it was the most basic and watered down version of their past games (enjoyed the game but doesn't hold a candle to their past games), then Nioh 1, SoP is 2nd, and lastly the king is obviously Nioh 2.
Stranger of Paradise isn't bad honestly, if fact I think it's the best modern Final Fantasy game because of how good the game design is and that's saying something considering Final Fantasy (or JRPGS in general) and actual good game design rarely go hand in hand with me. It's the only action-based FF I found myself enjoying because there's little BS in it's gameplay and level design (Only real complaint is the lack of a map system and having to exit missions to adjust gear stats), the job system, along with the affinity system, is freaking good and can be surprisingly helping if you know what you are doing (Pressing the optimize gear option will NOT help you on the higher difficulties). The only REAL issue this game suffers from is on the technical side of things as the game is poorly optimized, like I was surprised it ran and looked as good as it did on my PS5 after finding out much data most of the game's assets have (Clearly a Square issue like with FFXIV 1.0). If we're talking story, Nioh 1 and 2 are far worse than Stranger in this category because not only do they require you to have knowledge of actual Japanese history, but the way they're told with the cutscenes being almost unrelated to each other and characters sometimes being introduced in the very last mission with no explanation at all makes me wonder what the hell is even going on. Even the Assassin's Creed games told their stories better and those games took place in historical periods I initially knew nothing about. Stranger's on the other hand, while not told perfectly, is at least understandable and if you wish to no more about the lore, it's in the files. Sure, the story is a bit cliched and at first glance sounds like Nomura's signature Kingdom Hearts writing, but Kingdom Hearts got most of it's dumb writing from Final Fantasy, the light vs darkness thing with special guest time travel was what Final Fantasy 1 was all about, so it makes sense that it's prequel/spin-off, Stranger of Paradise, would be about the same thing as well.
I only played part of Nioh one and story was nice, though subtle. It DOES rely on knowing a but about Sengoku Japan at least from other games, movies and whatnot. Final Fantasy games OTOH were always known as separate as in you don't need to know ANYTHING before jumping into one.
@@KasumiRINA Except that's for every mainline FF, which SoP isn't, it's a spin-off. Think of what Crisis Core is to FF7, that's what SoP is to FF1. Crisis Core's story is kind of hard to understand without some of the context that FF7's story provides, same as SoP with FF1's.
Strangers of paradise is a slug to play. If you manage to hit endgame (dlc 3 endgame) its one of the best games of its kind with a variety of decent builds to play and a fun gearing system. Story was also okay, Garland as a character is also just much more interesting than wiliam and the hero from nioh 2. Nioh 2 is overall just a better game, but people shit on strangers because it is really bad up until endgame lol
@@psobbtutorials6792 When you mean by Slug, you mean slow? Cause I didn't feel that, and the build variety is good from Chaos and onwards, how did you play the game?
The best modern Final Fantasy is 14. The story is unbelievably good compared to every other game in that franchise in the last 20 years. The 7 Remake so far is also fantastic.
For me the story was good, not because the delivery of team ninja was great but because I had the knowledge of three kingdoms and sengoku period. It would totally enhance your experience if you read and had knowledge of it. A good example of it is in the Nioh 2, Toyotomi Hideyoshi was the one who unified Japan at that period and in the game they added a twist where there are 2 people who makes up the identity of the Persona Hideyoshi. First is the one in the history and 2nd is the OC.
Has anyone notice how little yoshi actually contributes as a character. When fights break out he is always scared and hiding behind either you, the kappa guy or the two chicks. Fucking hilarious.
When i start playing Nioh 1, i couldn't stop until i get every achievment, i guess i dumped like 120 hours non-stop. I'm gonna grab Nioh 2 right about now, i'm really glad to hear that is just "nioh 1.5", since i love the first game so much
Nioh 2 is absolutely the best game of the bunch has become one of my all-time favorites. I thought Stranger of Paradise was great too but Wo Long felt like a step back to me. Hoping that Rise of the Ronin is another Team Ninja banger!
Nioh 2 is INSANE! loved it and it stands on its own. Too bad there wont be a 3rd Sekiro will be the only game i will never beat cause i cant get past the constant sword clashing then hit, its annoying AF, shame cause the game looks great
I still dont really get why Nioh is still compared to Dark Souls Seriously, dont get me wrong, I played my fair share of FromSoft games, but in all honesty, they didn't reall click with me. The only 2 FromSoft games I really liked where Bloodborne and, of course, Sekiro I don't like the weighty, clunky movement of the Dark Souls games, it's just not enjoyable for me The fast paced action of Sekiro, aswell as the stellar combat of Bloodborn really clicked with me tho This is where Nioh comes in. My god, it's das and night compared to the Souls games Sure, getting your ass kicked is half the fun, but my god it's the same with Sekiro, when the combat clicks, it clicks It feels like you could take on entire mountain, only to quickly get humbled by John Bandit over there two tapping you with his rusty spear All in all, Team Ninja still stays on top of my favourite developers. I love their games and I can't wait for Rise od Ronin. If they manage to melt together both the managing and depth aspect of Nioh, aswell as taking some aspects of Wo Longs combat, I can guarantee you, it's gonna be amazing
Nioh 2 is a goddamn masterpiece, my second favorite "souls / soulslike" game, after Dark Souls 3, in 2023 I'm still playing Nioh 2, more or less several times a week. that's how addictive this game is, and I can still playing for a couple of years more, but I played Wu Long at the beginning of the year with a high hype, it was fun, ok, cool, but that's it, it feels like a game without soul, very empty, and when I finished everything I put it away and continued with more Nioh 2. I don't know, but after an enormous game as Nioh 2, Wu Long is a big stepback, I hope one day they made Nioh 3, with the basis of Nioh 2, just take the next step, and the visual aspect of Wu Long, and that will be epic. Nioh 3 fuck yeah, ¿Wu long 2? No thank you...
The magic in Wo Long is most effective for crowd control and when it's used to exploit the weakness of an enemy. Each element has a weakness to another so it helps to know which one you are fighting and which one to use against it. For example, when are fighting an enemy that lights their weapon on fire, you can use a water spell like ice to douse it to prevent the extra damage you could take from the fire. You can also make an enemy stagger faster using spells of their elemental weakness.
I loved Nioh’s fucking story! To meet such legendary figures from the past in all their glory was amazing. I was so attached to the Nioh- Series that I grew very sentimental with the story especially the tragic turn in Nioh 2.
People like you who say that SOP's story is "dogshit" and "so bad its good" don't get it. This is a story for FF fans, and it superbly ties in to the first FF. And also has many tropes from other FF games especially if you play the DLC. The story makes full sense and is actually really good, as a repeating time loop.
Quite the opposite if you ask me, Wo Long felt like a pretty big step back in comparison. To the point you might feel overwhelmed by all the layers Nioh 2 has to offer. Combat is WAY more challenging since you also have 2 weapons you can switch on the fly, but each one has 3 stances and customizable combos for each stance with a ton of stuff you unlock over the course of the game. You also get Guardian Spirits like in Wo Long but instead of a few spell choices not only do you have Onmyo magic and Ninjutsu tools you also get to set 3 Yokai cores that kind of work like special attacks/summons on top of everything else you can upgrade and customize... You will "shed your mortal coil" a LOT in Nioh 2... far far more than you have in Wo Long, i 100% guarantee it. :P
Surprised you didn’t mention the first nioh’s NG+. That was when the game really opened up and the meta is just super addicting. With leveling up your spirit animal and being able to equip two at once. It added more perks and insane buffs when using the right spirit animal. And I found use for quite a few of them, whether it be looting or money farming etc. Fun video though! You have a good attitude and articulate well. Keep at it! And I also agree with this list lol.
For sure. DS2 has a pretty good one too. But no one likes that game but me and like 10 other people it seems. I still have to beat nioh 2, but I’m hoping it’s very similar.
@@josephallen3076 Nioh 2’s NG+ has all the same versions as Nioh 1(Way/Dream of the strong, demon, etc.) as well as the underworld which unlocks with dream of the Nioh
Yes. Nioh2 changed how I feel about most souls games. Still playing through the underworld, So much replay ability. Wo long so far is a let down for me but it's still fun going through game plus and not really seeing any difference but enemies doing more damage. Nioh 2 on the other hand in game plus, more enemy damage, increased number of enemies and added new enemies. Good times in nioh 2.😄
All that came at a later date in Nioh 2 with the DLCs. When Nioh 2 first game out, like Wo Long it only had one NG+, and like Wo Long the only difference was enemies have increase health and damage.
@Stephen Hutchinson Nioh 2 first new game plus replace enemies with harder ones and they had new moves. And the later dlc packs was pretty badass. I hope wo long gets better because right now it's boring unless you into pvp.
Yeah Wo Long’s gameplay is a bit disappointing compared to Nioh 2’s combat since Wo Long feels like it relies more on just parrying compared to actually mastering the weapons in Nioh
Things I hope will happen in Nioh 3 (or other similar games from TN): 1) take Nioh 2 as a baseline, since that's the best combat system of any action-rpg game 2) improve the loot system: more quality over quantity, or at least increase the inventory space, and improve the search options (filtering) 3) 2 Picture Scrolls can be equipped ... because why not? :D 4) I see this Interim as a sort of proof of concept for a hub => maybe they want to make Nioh 3 more open world, it could be nice instead of using the main map 5) add a jump button, but make sure not to overdo it like Wo Long, if it's like Ninja Gaiden Black then great (doesn't jump very high + can be used for great platforming action) 6) bring the roll back again from Nioh 1 instead of just temper 7) last but not least: make the game harder. Way of the Nioh and the Underworld are too easy once you have reached level 750 8) edit: forgot but it's crucial: get rid of that yokai shift
Won't have NIOH 3 the game developers already announced and ended the series with the last NIOH 2 DLC. May be a more soul-like action Warrior Orochi vibe mixed between Sengoku and Three Kingdom Era?
Yeah I totally agree, with your comments on Nioh 2. I loved nioh 1, but nioh just improved upon it in everyday, and if they ever make a Nioh 3 I'm going to feel the hype.
@potatopower2144 I don't think Nioh or souls like games in general are played for their lackluster story. The are more like a arcade style game where you just enjoy the gameplay and bosses. Also any game is arguably easy if you use a META build or strat, but if that's how you feel, why play anything at all? Nioh 1 had the whole weapon super transformation, which basically done the same thing in the second game, so It's not to different.
Exactly, im there with ya. I hope they improve on all their systems for the dlc. They should have hit this game off solid day 1 if they just kept the same qualities of nioh and improved on them rather than changing a lot of what didn't need to be changed. I get they were trying to make a new IP and deter from Nioh but they really missed the mark on so many levels. Like basic ass things with menu management. They must have lost some really good devs otherwise I can't imagine how they messed up this bad lol
@@OSeanSanO exactly. Even the core gameplay is worse, because of the stupid morale system.. Farming lubu for his set while having to collect all the damn flags in order to raise morale in a map you've already completed is more tedious than any farming I've done in the nioh franchise. I'm surprised team ninja took such a huge step back from their previous title. This games itemization is lackluster. 90% of the weapons are bad.. Like so bad they can't even be made to be viable.
@@nanashiryuu5630 You Sound Like You’ve Never Played This Game I Can Tell Tough Games Arnt For You The Only Issue With The Morale System Is Not Getting Enough Morale Back On A Higher Enemies Your Literate Complaining About The Farming Portion Of The Game They Didnt Drop The Ball The Game Just Not For You My Guy It’s Simple A lot Off Ppl Like To Grind Gear And Lvls Instead Of Getting Everything Handed To Em In A Single Player Story Mode Smh.
@@don5033 "You sound like you've never played this game before" my guy I've literally beaten it and half way through new game + and it's no where near as difficult as nioh 1 or 2. You didn't even refute any of my points and I'm the "literate" one 🙄.
Completely agree with the list and wouldn’t have placed them any differently. I do think that Stranger of Paradise has a sublime soundtrack that is worthy of it own praise, since it raises the overall experience of the game and combat
I just finished wo long and I gotta say even though the combat is excellent it still falls short to the original Nioh (I still haven't played Nioh 2). Nioh had so many amazing and memorable bosses, but most of the bosses in wo long were just people with superpowers and didn't leave much of an impression.
actually your comment made me excited. i literally just finished Wo Long demo and while i really like the combat, i dont like how 2 out of 3 bosses in the demo are monsters (the monkey and the boar). For a game that focuses in parrying, i prefer it to have more human bosses rather than monsters, just like Sekiro. So reading your comment got me even more excited to get the full game haha. Currently on my first Nioh 1 playthrough too (just defeated the spider lady boss), but i still havent mastered the stances and ki mechanics yet.
@rakha9119 If you like those kinds of bosses, then boy are you in for a treat with bosses like Lu Bu, Zhang Lioa and Zhang Liang. Personally, like I said, I prefer bosses to be mythological creatures. At the very end of Nioh you will encounter "Yamata no Orochi" and it was awesome.
The Wizardry spells did suck however, the Earth Wizardry spell helped me defeat a Water-based bosses in Wo Long. I occasionally use the Water stealth Wizardry spell to bite a chuck out of their health.
I would personally switch wo long with the first Nioh game, for me both Nioh games are superior to Wo Long, even when this one is also a lot of fun but too simplistic compared to the Nioh games and also less flexible since it really demands to use deflect very often, I prefer the variety and combat depth and flexibility of the Nioh games
honeslty it still feels like nioh 2 has the best combat and gameplay feel out of all the souls like games.Tho i will say wo long was alright but not close to nioh 2
Let's appreciate how much better the bosses have gotten over the years. Even from their time in Ninja Gaiden. We went from slippery bosses that dodge half your attacks at random to Dark Souls 1 bosses mixed with glorified PvP invaders to genuinely amazing duels like Yoshitsune, Gilgamesh and Lu Bu.
If there ever is a Nioh 3, I hope they make some true bosses, not damage sponges with 3-4 moves. That and the yokai form should be it's own thing and should develop as the human form does.
Ninja Gaiden has better movement/platforming though, and if you take the Ryu clones fights, they're still a bit better than the Nioh/Nioh 2 fights because of that movement. Also, I haven't seen a boss better than Alma and Awakened Alma.
Zhang Liao was a genuine surprise for me. I expected Lu Bu to be a challenge but him... Man, he's probably my most favorite boss fight of Wo Long. As far as Nioh 2 goes, I absolutely love the Shuten Doji fight we have in the second DLC, every Otakemaru fight and Tate Eboshi. Nioh 2 has amazing monster bosses and wo long has absolutely improved on the human bosses. I keep thinking, what would Toshimitsu and Ryu Hayabusa be like in Wo Long?
@@lancekemal8989 I agree. I meant I knew lu bu will be challenging but, Zhang Liao being that crazy good threw me off. Lu Bu has to be crazy good... There's no other option. Taishi Ci is genuinely perplexing... Idk how he's so strong... Not abt the lore thingy, I know he was a famed warrior based on his characterization in the musou games, still... It's kinda wierd to see him be so strong.
For Wo Long what I've gotten out of the wizardry spells is that they are more for status effects than damage. Unless it's the big spells. The status effects are pretty nasty. Like shock is a spirit DOT and toxic makes any other status ailments remain at full duration until the toxic wears off. Add any other "bla bla" effect on "bla bla" action skill on some gear and you can just cancer your enemies to death and it's funny especially on invaders.
Nioh 2 is one of my favourite games ever. It’s also the most difficult game I’ve ever played. I tried stranger of paradise on release but couldn’t handle it. It just felt like a rushed poor quality game but now we are a year later, I might give it another try.
I'm replaying NIOH 1, I rushed through it originally to just beat it and then play NIOH 2. I dumped well over a hundred hours into NIOH 2 and now just want to fully flesh out my experience with NIOH 1. These games were tailored made for me. Souls-like, RPG, Hack and Slash, Looter, Gear Sets, Very Diablo -esque approach to gameplay = ADDICTION
15:25 when I played I mostly just used stat buffs spells, but man there was this one earth spell that would be able to stun basically any boss, and combo that with a buff that decreased the cost of spells, bro I was clapping pretty much every boss. Super fun combat in Wo long I’m glad you mentioned that.
Let me tell you please. After years of denial I decided that I just had to finish Nioh 2, I bought the remaster on PS5 and I went through half of it already. The game is pretty difficult but you can make it easier by either do all the side quests and level up or play online and summon either offline characters of other players or even invite them to join you in real time. Not only that made it just way more achievable for me but I swear to God Nioh 2 is beyond description just spectacular, the combat is one of the most enjoyable that I have ever seen. There's so much content, so many different weapons, so many different enemies, bosses, armors, just so many different playstyles it's just unbelievable.
I initially couldn't get into Wo Long because I came straight from Nioh 2 and found the combat in Wo Long to be a little basic. A while later I played Strangers of Paradise and loved it, and decided it would be worth a try to try Wo Long again since the systems were similar. Turned out that was exactly what I needed, I couldn't put Wo Long down coming after Strangers of Paradise haha so I leave this comment here just in case anyone else needed a "way in" to Wo Long like I did. Going from Final Fantasy Strangers of Paradise really helps. Edit: Also, agreed on Strangers of Paradise. Granted I'm biased because I also love Final Fantasy but I thought the story was dumb but surprisingly satisfying once the credits rolled.
I agree with this list completely Also, burst counters in Nioh 2 were great. One thing I can say about Nioh 1 I liked better was the Abyss. Reason being is it had the absolute best gear you could get at 900+ floor Abyss. It gave you an edge in power most players weren't determined enough to achieve. Nioh to stopped it at floor 108 with the Underworld and then depths of the Underworld but it just wasn't quite the same Other than that, yeah Nioh 2 all day.
Burst counters are nice but the problem is that you can exploit them. Like imagine that you cannot beat some enemy for some reason, you can just wait for the red glow and then do the burst counter => it's something that should be improved in Nioh 3, but the concept in itself is pretty good, it's just not perfect ... yet.
@@youuuuuuuuuuutube On top of feeling like a crutch, they're too good to not use. They feel like they railroad you into them rather than bring able to play your own way. Sure you can choose to ignore the move and dodge away (or some other type of mitigation) but then you're just nerfing yourself. I dislike counters for that reason, Monster Hunter Rise has the same problem but it's worse. The counters there are too strong so they make the rest of moves feel useless
Nioh 2 got nice story, nice combat and overall its KFC tier top of the line. I just want to go and have a taste even if I already go there once, cuz its that good. The story is good too, Its like story book where you only know the part of people story that you have partaken in or they told you about their goals and dream directly during the spirit sharing, they didnt drag out the cutscene and only give you what you need to know and thats professional. The story is weird in some places like how does that happen? but once you piece it together doing main and sidequest or just continue listening, its really awesome. They really like to tell story that was base on your character prespective, you only know what you see or heard but mostly seen type of stuff and there also lore if you absorb enouf knowledge from the soul core of yokai you absorb, its just a lot of reading thats all. I like to focus on the story even when its spars, the combat is nice too, very fast pace and speedy unlike soul game so I don't get the "soulslike" thing unless they comparing the difficulty but I got stuck fighting boss like hundred of time in elden ring and DS but here only took me like two digit to get the ground in Nioh 2 cuz we have Nuclear option and the evade timing is very generous too. The weapon is like Bloodborne level or maybe better, cuz the stand mechanic. 90/100 very cool game.
I actually am playing through Nioh 1 again right now, it's still really good tbh. Nioh 2 did improve a lot, but there's something still so cool about playing as William in that world
Nioh 2 is amazing, the game has so much content, incredible replaybility if you consider the new stuff in new game plus and also dlc new maps and enemies and unlimited customization and loot options.
Lmao I have the exact same list. 1.Nioh 2- Has One of the best character creators in gaming, It's magnificent and The gameplay and the amount of depth and Variety is out of this world... It's also Quite balanced compared to the other games and it even has the best story out of these 4. I think Nioh 2 is Team Ninjas Magnum Opus so far. 2.Wo Long- has Nioh 2s amazing Character creator,I LOVE Sekiro and I'm so happy with the Influence it has on this game unfortunately The game isn't as in depth as Nioh and Has pretty low Enemy diversity, But the Deflection/Deathblow Gameplay style it took from Sekiro is super fun and engaging. 3.Nioh 1- Great Game, Great combat but It has Serious Balancing issues worse then any of the others in this list, Alot of Absolute BS parts and Worst offender here is Zero Character Creator lol but it does have a better story then Wo long and SOP and I do like William as a character. 4.SOP- Such an Absolute dog shit story, I didn't like many of the characters (I'm a FF fan to) And The Magic system is super convoluted and I didn't like it, The Job system adds alot of variety but It wasn't enough to grab me. I also think SOP has the worst Level design of the 4 and also No character creator... SOP only one of the 4 I beat once then deleted And forgot about. That all said if they make another SOP type game with Character creation,Better Dialogue and story and characters alone I'd Def jump on that for sure.
I loved wo long too but i did find Nioh 2 almost too hard when i played it on launch. I adore strangers of paradise. I mean you can play as blue mage or ronin. The job system there is just so sweet. I think ill give Nioh 2 another shot now.
I highly recommend playing with a friend, or waiting for coop partners; n first playthrough of Nioh 2, that and a omnyo build with switchgliave should help make things easier. It feels impossible otherwise. Also another tip, dodge away and wait for an opening to attack, it's not like souls where you dodge and counter.
I find Nioh 2 grossly overrated. So many folks say it improves absolutely everything from 1 but that's untrue. In fact some aspects are straight downgrades. Most people didn't even play 1 or barely touched it. That said I do think 2 is superior, but not by much. SOP however, is easily my favorite. I already loved Final Fantasy so being able to experience it with Team Ninja's immaculate action game design was amazing. I love how they made the job system and iconic FF abilities translate so well into the gameplay and build crafting is so damn fun too (so fun that I spend as much time theorycrafting, fusing, etc as playing the damn game lol). I really hope we get a sequel, which is why I bought multiple copies for my friends and encouraged others to get it.
With all respect, but at 4:15 is misinformation. If you finish the DLC3 and reach floor 300 or above, it is obvious that Stranger of Paradise combat mechanic is deeper than Nioh 2 (refer to the game difficulty at depths of the underworld 30). And by far deeper than dark souls NG+7 or Elden ring. At the max difficulty setting of each game, that is where players have to utilize all the combat mechanics.
Going through the comments and video I'm wondering if I should get Wo Long. I enjoyed the other games on the list (yes even Stranger of Paradise). Not sure.
Nioh and Wo long are not hard games. What they make "difficult" is the very complex rpg combat system. If you craft / level / fight in a smart way, you break the game.
For SoP, just selecting optimizate equipment would get you killed way too quickly in the DLCs. You actually have to craft a solid build based on your weapon type and class to reliably do well (and if you put some more effort, you could absolutely be a monster too.) I can't agree with you saying that optimize equipment trivializes the loot system unless you only went through the story once and avoided Chaos Mode. I do agree that most of the loot does end up being trash tho. Occasionally they'll have some good effects that you can fuse onto other armor but for the most part yea. That being said, i really enjoyed SoP (Chaosman is still my favorite character lul) and the comparisons to the other games just make me excited to play them, so thanks for making this vid!
Nioh 2 is such a great game, I really should find some time to play it again, I'm pretty sure I've beaten the main story last time I played, but it has so much good side content, my favorite weapons were the Fists because I love the rapid combo and my favorite part the posture breaking fist, I put the stamina damage on it and it's so cool to watch enemies get sent flying after breaking their stamina. And the Scythe, because it's a Scythe, nothing more needed to be said, but seriously it's just a cool weapons. But that's not to say the rest of the weapins aren't great, I switched from weapon to weapon so often because pretty much all of them have something fun about them.
I haven't beaten every title, but I believe Team Ninja is a rather underappreciated developer. They successfully took the inspiration from Souls and did there own thing, there not copy cats. I'm loving Wolong, almost everything. Even the corny, old school king-fu movie vibe of the cutscenes. Finally I think there level design is under rated. It's on par with the O-DS, but within single cell design, rather then open.
I have wo long as the lowest ranking for the fact that it took the most steps backwards in quality of life options we had from Nioh and even strangers. I hope they fix a lot of the issues it has with the lack of animation cancels, menu management, the crappy pick up button being the same as wizardry literally makes your character touch a chest or pick up an item mid fight. Wo long has us feeling the weakest out of all the ng+ with very little viable builds. Martial arts are very limiting compared to the weapon skill tree from nioh hence waaaay less combos. And they just updated it but why couldn't we replenish ammo and items at a flag? That was horrible and eliminated the desire to even use ranged weapons. The game has the least enemy variety. Nioh had all these lore rich yokai and we get nothing lore rich from Wo long. This is the MAIN team working on this game. I gave Strangers a bit of forgiveness because it was their B team working on it. Wo long doesn't get that pass because they should really know better. Strangers took some steps back but made up 10 fold with the dlc so I think they could do the same for wo long. I just don't think we should deal with bad systems at launch when we know they had a good system going with Nioh 1 and 2. They are constantly trying to reinvent the wheel when they should just keep going with what they have. Don't fix what isn't broken. I want to see more creativity moving forward. There's room for one more martial art with R1 + X if they wanted and they need to add more ways to combo/ animation cancel. In NG++ the posture break we receive should be less forgiving if every enemy/ boss is going to 1 shot you. The fact that we can't even get more than 10% dmg reduction on armor is kinda sad. A lot of armor sets are so lackluster compared to Nioh 1 and 2 as well. Come on Team Ninja, I love your shit for a reason but you gotta do better than this.
If there would ever be a Nioh 3 I really hope they add the deflect system from Wo Long because that's really fun. Make the parry window more tighter tho
Nioh 2 > Sop > Nioh > Wo long. Will have to see after all dlc for wo long releases. But wo long is at the bottom bcs of the combat the parry is nice but the different weapons dont feel important like nioh and SOp did with them.
I just finished wo long and I absolutely loved it and I'm going to he getting nioh 1&2 to play very soon. I thought it was so amazing. I still have sub missions left but the main story is over.
When I played Nioh 1 for the first time oh man that game showed me how hard it can be. Then I learned to be a master of sword. When I played Nioh 2 i felt in love from the first minute of it. If someone asked me what game would you like to see and play right now i would say please give me Nioh 3 with nioh 2 mechanics and even maybe something even more deeper. Nioh 2 will always be my NO1 in souls game cause the gameplay is beyond satisfying experience. No other souls game gave me that feeling like Nioh 2 did when i learned to be a master of it.
My most favourites are Nioh 2 and SoP (yeah I'm a FF fan). I got the Nioh Collection for PS5 and I really loved 2 and still playing it. And despite all the flaws with SoP I got the Platinum trophy and I really enjoyed it. There were so many classes and play styles and I think the game is very underrated.
It’s daring to say but Team Ninja was never really good at telling Good Narrative Stories. Some of their story can either be Mid or Poor, it’s kind of the same with Ninja Gaiden & Dead or Alive. The company doesn’t hold a candle to other Japanese Companies such as Capcom, Namco, & Konomi in a certain extent.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that Nioh2 is going to be first on the list. Edit: I am indeed correct :P Personally i think Wo long is an actual good game, the problem where this much disappointment is coming from is only two places: 1. PC players who got arguably one of the worst ports of the decade - i do play on the PC, however i use controller so it's not AS BAD as some people's experiences with it :) 2. People (like myself) who played Nioh2 and Sekiro (finished like 50 times) and we have the bad habit of comparing it to both games since it's supposed to be a combination of the two. And unfortunately it's not as good as either of them (but still a very good game) but that's only coming from veteran soul/nioh player like myself. If i played this game before any soulslike i'm sure i would enjoy it MUCH MORE, however it's hard not to compare to their previous game (which i love) and probably my favourite game of all time (Sekiro, and this coming from someone that has played almost all fantasy or medieval themed games on PC's since the 90s) I think i will save my steam review(not reviewed it) after all 3 DLCs come out, i would like to review the actual finished full product. For Nioh2 at least, my grade jumped from 8 to a 9/10 when including all DLCs.
If you played enough dynasty warriors games the story is pretty much always the same and you probably would like the characters more and understand why characters such as lu bu is hard in wo long. And I think the level design really follows well with how the story of the three kingdoms depicts
You and I must have a completely different definition of "deep" in regards to combat. Dark Souls combat is the most simplistic of any action game ever made. It's good because it is so simple and clean. Strangers of Paradise combat, in contrast, in incomparably complex.
Wo long's characters are real chinese hero's from around 200 ac + . Those who played dynasty wariors understands this history and know most characters. Its kind of interesting
Very nice and interesting video, here, good sir ! I did not play FFSP, except for the demo but I did finish Wolong (although not played the extensions, coz I did not dig it so much), Nioh 1 and Nioh 2. For those last two ones, I grinded them till the bone : finished the 999 levels of Nioh's abyss and stone of penance nine'd the Nioh 2's depth of the underworld (till floor 30). So I can definitely agree with your opinion about those games ! Regarding WL, I would be less enthusiastic, the gameplay fellt very shallow, expecially being released for so long after Nioh 2 ... For me Nioh 2 will probably never be beaten and will forever rank #1 in action games category (and I have played almost all of these games for the last 20+ years : Ninja gaiden, Devil may cry, Bazonetta ...) and it's also definitely in my top 10 games ever, knowing I have been playing video games for over 40 years now ... Anyway, very nice video and thanks for sharing this content and promoting those great games ! Take care, peace. ;)
Stranger of Paradise is just something else man.
Switching between two classes mid combo and maxing out two classes to upgrade a new hybrid class are two of my favourite systems in gaming.
Im a dark knight in FF14 so I mained the shit out of it in strangers of paradise I need to replay it and actually dabble with everything else lol
So for Strangers of Paradise, not sure when dlc came out but on that gilgamesh difficulty shit is already difficult af, there is still the max difficulty lufenia also and this guy saying it was easy made me think he probably just beat the story on normal or even hard which is still easy, probably did chaos with extra mode too. Another thing he said about gear system in SoP is that you can just click OPTIMIZE GEAR and it will equip you highest level loot but it doesn't mean that that gear is better than some of your other ones you can do a customized build 16:03 and have so many combinations woth different classes and sifferent playstyles it's crazy and labyrinth stuff is pretty difficult but fun too, I feel like this rundown of SoP was before dlc or idk because it doesn't make sense otherwise, definitely better than Nioh 1 at least in my opinion, didn't care for story in either but gameplay feels more fun with SoP
I loved Stranger of Paradise so much as both a FF fan, FF1 fan, and Nioh fan.
The story and Jack are so kino. One of the best protags ever.
I love the depth of Stranger of Paradise. Wo Long doesn't have that.
@@Coolkid4205 I haven’t played it on the hardest difficulty, but Neo two is definitely harder than all the other difficulties of stranger. Paradise. Nioh 2 had some crazy unfair, fights, and parts.
Can we just stop calling these Team Ninja Soulslike and start calling "Nioh-like"? Basic similarities aside these games are quite different and has unique style and gameplay to stand on its own ground.
Give this man an Oscar🥇🥇🏆 please 🤝
Sad that nioh is not for xbox...i need more nioh like games 👌👍🙂
I agree but this video title would have been kinda complicated.
Ranking all Nioh and souls/borne games
Thats long.I believe it is far more simple to just put Nioh in there too.The basic Idea of Nioh is basically the same:Murder your way through a place to get to a boss fight.
Not unique enough. Still souls like. And I doubt this term will stop being used, just Diablo clones for the last 25 years.
I totally agree with you
About wo long: "The spells are too slow." I gotta be the comment guy that says that you likely didn't quite do it right. Try weaving spells in after your deflects and you'll realize how much more interesting combat can be when all of your abilities get to work together.
Nioh 2 still too goated, but wo long's systems are being judged by the wrong metrics by a lot of people with followings, so hearing that compelled me to correct it.
Honestly, i started to think of the Wo Long wizardry spells like Sekiro shinobi tools and they improved a lot for me. Even shifted my build to have them play more of a part in combat, it's pretty fun. Sadly i have stopped playing Wo Long because i got the itch to play some Nioh 2... and now i'm addicted to it again lmao.
Wolong combo heavy AF
Tbh I think the main problem with Wo Long is that it came out after Nioh 2 lol. That and it was incredibly easy
As somebody who is playing Wolong, I disagree with OP.
The magic just doesn't feel as satisfying as utilitarian as it is. And then the 5 phases is just. "I don't care, outside of niche situations. You just parry most things anyways. Wizardry just feels so at odds with it's gameplay loop in already pretty easy game."
Don't get me wrong, I think Wo Long is a fantastic game. But it doesn't exist in isolation from these other games. It also doesn't help that the Morale system is pretty much required for most of the useful skills, and even without caring about the Wizardry skills... they don't offer much outside of slightly situational buffs or debilitations. And compare that to Nioh 1 and 2, the magic system of Wo Long is fundamentally worse in every way. Like, fullstop. The magic system is just bad in Wo Long. The Parry system and Martial Arts system is too useful by comparison to ever want to waste time using Wizardry, even when in advantage. There is rarely ever a time you'll want it past debuffing or buffing before a fight, or applying things like poison. Wizardry feels... more like a co-op thing you coordinate with your friends. To be useful in situations without throwing a fight or encounter... when the game just doesn't play in a way where you will practically need Wizardry. It just doesn't feel good to use either even when you can argue you may find SOME use for it.
(What that use will be, I really could not tell you. The game is just that generally much easier to use deflect into Martial arts lol.)
The fact you can brute force more efficiently, versus finding a situation where you need it past removing field effects or buffs... is really telling. Where in games like Nioh 1 and 2. "I need to apply as many debuffs as I can, so I can go back to doing my long ass combos." really does say a lot about the balance differences. You also just feel generally more rewarded for exploiting weaknesses with Omniyo and Ninpo Magics. Granted, Nioh 1 and 2 generally reward you getting the most out of options for your builds. Kinda feels like a real time Shin Megami Tensei type affair if I am honest, and it's just really satisfying because it feels like you earn victories. In Wo Long, kinda feels handed to you with how... simple the mechanics are by comparison.
I like the ones that put elements on your weapon
If Team Ninja combines the verticality of Wo Long with Nioh combat they would have a real banger. Maybe Rise of the Ronin will do this
Nioh 3 anyone?
@@stephengross9441 Nioh 3 would be a ways off. Rise of the Ronin is next. Sometime this decade they are going to do reboots of Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive.
It's obvious that Wolong did not do very well in the vertical integration, maybe because of the budgets, maybe because it's something else like the actual faculties that directs the game. Whatever the reason it is, the game itself can be viewed as a product opening to market, with a huge subtraction on the combat system and with a better guidance. And it indeed listens to the feedback from the community. I agree that Ronin project should be the exclusive spot to focus on.
Rise of the ronin is gonna be it’s own game to be honest. Calling it now, they’re going to actually try with the story I bet.
@@yamnbam4346 yea Rise of the Ronin will be its own game, but they aren't going to reinvent the wheel combat wise. It will be interesting to see how their experience with Nioh and Wo Long will carry over into this.
Talking about Stranger of Paradise : "Combat is not as extensive and in depth, as, say, Dark Souls or even Nioh". Could you please elaborate on that? I just can't see how Stranger's combat with fully customizable movesets for every weapon, including equipable enemy abilities on post-game gear, and a plethora of defensive and offensive options for any play-style can be described as more shallow than that of Dark Souls.
Yea he clearly either didn't play the game to it's fullest extent or just hit the opitmize gear button throughout most of the playthrough (Which will NOT carry you on higher difficulties). SOP is way more in-depth just on the job system alone, nevermind the job affinity system.
He definitely didn't play the game enough. I wonder if he even chain cancelled
My thought exactly lmao strangers of paradise has one of the most fully realized action RPG mechanics with every job feeling like playing a different character in its own action game
I haven't played Stranger is Paradise but I played Dark Souls a lot and its combat is extremely simplified, it's on level of old Onimushas, not quite DMC or Nioh level.
@@KasumiRINAlow IQ take. You're not using the tools the game gives you. DMC is a joke. Combo simulator with 0 difficulty lmao. Nioh is a souls ripoff as admitted by their own developer marketing it as a soulslike 😂
Stranger of paradise is underrated. Its one of the best with team ninja. Its unique in its own way which make it for me one at top. The job system and the diverse build creation is unlimited. People dont really know how good stranger of paradise is.
Its fire
One of the best FF spinoffs
it so much fun. a less frustrating nioh. the visuals are so bad though . the only gripe i have
IMO: Nioh 2 > SoP > Wo Long > Nioh
I don't know how you can say SoP doesn't have combat as indepth as Dark Souls games. The combat is pretty customizable and offers a lot of variety.
Not surprising Nioh 2 is top dog, but my issue with Nioh 1 is that it plays and feels like a tech demo at times. It's clear it has many rough edges. Wo Long is good, but it also lacks polish when it came out and it's combat is simple.
100% agree with this list.
I also consider SoP to be way harder than wo long I don’t know why he didn’t mention that. If you play on hard mode, or in NG+ chaos mode, damn it’s as hard as Nioh 2 (although I found SoP to be quite unfair many times more compared to Nioh 2)
The combo and class system and especially customisation in FFO is also one of the best from team ninja, only behind Nioh 2 as its stance system allows for even more depth.
The items are a lot, more than any other game, that’s true, but that contributes to make an enormous amount of build variety.
Probably the creator didn't make builds and see the potential of all weapons and jobs
100% agree
Nioh >>> Wo Long like the rest of the games are actauly good Wo Long is just bad.
Wo Long is great but nothing beats Nioh 2
Wo is a combo of that and sekiro how is wo not better and imma big fan of nioh my fav type well I didnt play wo yet but I did play sekiro and I like nioh better both great classic
Nothing!
@devibezshow wrong cause wo is a combo of that like why do u people always get stuck with certain titles nioh is my fav souls like even though I didnt play wo I know I'll like it better cause it's a combo of sekiro and nioh my 2 fav types
Most people who not stuck say sekiro for from is the best and most who like the ninja team knows niohs is the best best of both worlds
Nioh 2 is a perfect video game.
Wo Long is extremely good, but doesn't get to the high bar set by Nioh 2.
@mikejenkins4924 wrong cause wo is a combo of that like why do u people always get stuck with certain titles
nioh is my fav souls type like even though I didnt play wo yet I know I'll like it better cause it's a combo of sekiro and nioh my 2 fav types
Most people who not stuck say sekiro for from is the best and most who like the ninja team knows niohs is the best best of both worlds
So yea wo is better cause it's a combo but that doesn't mean the nioh series is bad just not as advanced now if you're meaning more fun well that can be opinion but I don't see how when as I say agian wo is a combo of sekiro and nioh
Nioh 2 is just dope. The stances, unique weapons, skills, Yokai soul cores, etc. Plus, the end game content is just so engaging.
It was for me, but is it ok to set the bar high?@potatopower2144
@potatopower2144 Stop gatekeeping.
Does nioh 2 have level requirements like nioh 1 for missions (only played that one)? Bc that really annoyed me, I never played the dlc because my character was like level 120 after killing the final boss and the first dlc required him to be 150 or something and I didn't want to farm for hours, also almost every enemy one shot me in the end game so a random zombie did as much damage as a huge boss... And the side missions just sucked with how hard the enemies became (those two bird warrior mini bosses at the same time were horrendous) and you had to do the whole thing again if you died. I hope they improved this in nioh 2 I really want to play it eith a friend some time
@@thex6992those weren't requirements they were recommended levels and levelling doesn't matter all too much until ng+
Sincerely the game is super fun. There is though only 1 level I absolutely despise. Azai's level. I love the boss funnily enough.
Stranger is great game i have like 600 hr and still want to play more but a i agree with your point that its not for everyone
Totally agree. Nioh 2 was awesome and has the most indepth combat system out of the games that i ever played
@potatopower2144 Genuinely wondering what is going on in your brain to come to this conclusion
@@A.H.goose1lmfao what he say
Can't go back to Nioh and Wo Long after SOP all 35 jobs, chain canceling, soul shield
SOP feels like a ninja gaiden with final fantasy based
Story is good cause I like the FF1 world. In Wo Long and Nioh i pretty much didn't care about the Japan and China history war.
This is the best axe in all games existed not getting overshadowed by fast and meta weapons.
Agree. For me, SOP was exhilarating because the bosses hit hard but had obvious tells and even the names of spells overhead. Gave good windows to defend while punishing if you screwed up.
@@Jack_Garland78 Same, I think it's even the best modern FF game, I already find it better than the upcoming XVI and that's not even out yet (Will still give it a shot when it releases though).
I actually went from playing Ninja Gaiden Black into Strangers of Paradise with a bit of Dead or Alive thrown into the mix (went on a Team Ninja binge... didn't have a PS4 at the time so Nioh was sadly out of reach, and Wo Long hadn't yet released).
SoP scratched that 3D Ninja Gaiden itch in many ways except essence charging. But the soul shield, chain cancelling and parry mechanics were wonderfully satisfying and a great substitute. The combat was really satisfying but the game got especially grindy and became more about optimising gear during the 2nd DLC after rift level 101.
It was still far better than the supposedly mediocre memefest game I was expecting to find.
SOP is peak for me because it's just so damn fun, every time I think I'm done I find a new way to use a weapon or a job combo, or a new skill I've never touched so there I go to menu to make a build (which is so much less of a headache that builds in Nioh). Add to that the Final Fantasy flair, which as a FF enjoyer is still amazing. I love Nioh and Ninja Gaiden, but SOP is easily one of my fav games of all time. Top 5 for sure. I can't say I'd rank the rest anywhere near even though I love them too
What is SOP?
Nioh 2 is hands down the best game Team Ninja has put out. If you're looking for a game that you can literally play for years without getting bored, Nioh 2 can objectively give you the best bang for your buck.
I got bored of it jind of quick haven't reached endgame but got like 20 hours in or something, I enjoy SoP better, gameplay seems more fun
Thanks bro... love you..❤
@@Coolkid4205u gotta be trash at the game lol
I can't see myself playing Nioh 2 forever without getting bored. After the main story and DLC there's nothing to keep you engaged anymore.
Fatal Frame 2, Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, Ninja Gaiden......
Nioh feels most original and inspired of them all. That's why it would be my nr. 1 pick. It nearly cost me my vocal cords but so did Nioh 2 and Wo Long.
I would do anything for a Ninja Gaiden 4.
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Wo longs difficulty is just so unevenly paced though, didn’t die once after the cow head boss until I hit lu bu, then didn’t die once until blindfolded boy who I still can’t beat, yet
i died countless times with zhang liao though, but blindfolded boy, took him down first try LOL
You did no death until cow head but can’t beat blindfold boy. I remember dying once to blindfold boy cus I was literally laying in bed and my girl was playing with my dick and I almost beat him. Lu bu difficulty spike was fucked up. I wish the rest of the game was like that. I don’t remember the bosses after lu bu cus I melted everything after that
My issue is the levels, the only boss that took me more than 5 tries was aoye at 30, but the basic enemies frequently destroyed me for whatever reason.
@@definitelyadarkangel9225to be fair, that’s the souls like game experience
You kill God and can still get stunlocked by two common dogs
As a huge Team Ninja Fan too I completely agree to this list 👍🏻 I‘ve got 400hrs in Nioh and even over 1000 in Nioh 2. Yes I was there in NG5+ in the 30 depths after 100 floors of the underworld. This deepness is by far the best soulslike ever made.
1000 hours? bro do u even go outside or sleep at all? i swear i'm NOT trolling i'm asking a serious question. i wish i had that kind of time for games
@@CygnusX-11 Cuz team ninja indeed has the best ACT combat systems among all ARPGs. I won't argue if it can or should be categorized into Souls-like. But at least from my experience , I have restarted 3 new games in nioh2 only practicing spears, till after completing depth 30. These spear training NGs already consumed 230 hours, and compare to those fluent spear players, I would say I could only play 50% 60% of the weapon. 1000 hours is not a big number in Nioh2 compared to some insanely good former Ninja Gaiden players from either Japan or China. They are 2000h or more.
@@carlchen7948 damn that's crazy... i'm playing Wo long (my first team ninja game) and i do agree that the combat system is amazing and addictive, even better than sekiro!
however, i'm very disappointed with the graphics and level design, no area really stand up or memorable in the game. and wo long legit looks like a game from 2012 which makes the levels even harder to navigate.
@@CygnusX-11 It's obvious that they didn't put too much budget on Wolong, or didn't have their old Nioh crews and programmers do the project. (Even the replenishments on consuming items were recently updated). Ronin Project is Yasuda's main focus IMO.
@@CygnusX-11 3000hr Nioh1+2 best combat system in my life
Where would you rank Rise of the Ronin?
I'm a Team ninja fan as well (as well as souls player) and I loved SoP, especially once all of its DLC was out, but saying the combat system/mechanics are not as in-depth as a souls game is the dumbest thing I have ever heard (sorry to sound so harsh). Also I disagree as classifying any of these games as "souls-likes" even if their marketing is based around the term. this is because they take much more from their Ninja Gaiden games (especially Nioh) then mechanics that Fromsoft popularized.
Most souls games have a very simple combat system consisting of light attack , heavy attack , magic spells, shield parry, I-frame rolls, bows, some weapon skills and that about sums up combat depth in souls games. Souls games have one mechanic that make everything trivial, the I-frame rolls.
Games like SoP on the other hand have a parry/absorb mechanic, a dual class system with customizable moves of all weapon classes (10-13 total), 35-36 jobs to make builds around, active abilities along with weapon skills (all can be customized and swapped out at any time), passive combat buffs, a DMC style devil trigger mode (3 types once you beat the game and get to the DLC), a job cancel mechanic that adds ton to combat depth and cool combos, fully customizable NPC allies (or you could play solo) and as the cherry on top you have the diablo/looter RPG mechanics/stats that add a ton of repeatability and endgame. Souls games are not even in the same league as SoP and Nioh in terms of combat depth.
People seriously underestimate how deep SoP really is and while its not as mechanically technical as Nioh 2 it has just as much depth in its RPG mechanics and build diversity.
As far as my top modern TN games I would put Wo Long last because it was the most basic and watered down version of their past games (enjoyed the game but doesn't hold a candle to their past games), then Nioh 1, SoP is 2nd, and lastly the king is obviously Nioh 2.
Stranger of Paradise isn't bad honestly, if fact I think it's the best modern Final Fantasy game because of how good the game design is and that's saying something considering Final Fantasy (or JRPGS in general) and actual good game design rarely go hand in hand with me. It's the only action-based FF I found myself enjoying because there's little BS in it's gameplay and level design (Only real complaint is the lack of a map system and having to exit missions to adjust gear stats), the job system, along with the affinity system, is freaking good and can be surprisingly helping if you know what you are doing (Pressing the optimize gear option will NOT help you on the higher difficulties). The only REAL issue this game suffers from is on the technical side of things as the game is poorly optimized, like I was surprised it ran and looked as good as it did on my PS5 after finding out much data most of the game's assets have (Clearly a Square issue like with FFXIV 1.0).
If we're talking story, Nioh 1 and 2 are far worse than Stranger in this category because not only do they require you to have knowledge of actual Japanese history, but the way they're told with the cutscenes being almost unrelated to each other and characters sometimes being introduced in the very last mission with no explanation at all makes me wonder what the hell is even going on. Even the Assassin's Creed games told their stories better and those games took place in historical periods I initially knew nothing about. Stranger's on the other hand, while not told perfectly, is at least understandable and if you wish to no more about the lore, it's in the files. Sure, the story is a bit cliched and at first glance sounds like Nomura's signature Kingdom Hearts writing, but Kingdom Hearts got most of it's dumb writing from Final Fantasy, the light vs darkness thing with special guest time travel was what Final Fantasy 1 was all about, so it makes sense that it's prequel/spin-off, Stranger of Paradise, would be about the same thing as well.
I only played part of Nioh one and story was nice, though subtle. It DOES rely on knowing a but about Sengoku Japan at least from other games, movies and whatnot. Final Fantasy games OTOH were always known as separate as in you don't need to know ANYTHING before jumping into one.
@@KasumiRINA Except that's for every mainline FF, which SoP isn't, it's a spin-off. Think of what Crisis Core is to FF7, that's what SoP is to FF1. Crisis Core's story is kind of hard to understand without some of the context that FF7's story provides, same as SoP with FF1's.
Strangers of paradise is a slug to play. If you manage to hit endgame (dlc 3 endgame) its one of the best games of its kind with a variety of decent builds to play and a fun gearing system. Story was also okay, Garland as a character is also just much more interesting than wiliam and the hero from nioh 2.
Nioh 2 is overall just a better game, but people shit on strangers because it is really bad up until endgame lol
@@psobbtutorials6792 When you mean by Slug, you mean slow? Cause I didn't feel that, and the build variety is good from Chaos and onwards, how did you play the game?
The best modern Final Fantasy is 14. The story is unbelievably good compared to every other game in that franchise in the last 20 years. The 7 Remake so far is also fantastic.
For me the story was good, not because the delivery of team ninja was great but because I had the knowledge of three kingdoms and sengoku period. It would totally enhance your experience if you read and had knowledge of it. A good example of it is in the Nioh 2, Toyotomi Hideyoshi was the one who unified Japan at that period and in the game they added a twist where there are 2 people who makes up the identity of the Persona Hideyoshi. First is the one in the history and 2nd is the OC.
Has anyone notice how little yoshi actually contributes as a character. When fights break out he is always scared and hiding behind either you, the kappa guy or the two chicks. Fucking hilarious.
One of the reasons I loved Nioh !
When i start playing Nioh 1, i couldn't stop until i get every achievment, i guess i dumped like 120 hours non-stop. I'm gonna grab Nioh 2 right about now, i'm really glad to hear that is just "nioh 1.5", since i love the first game so much
If you loved Nioh 1 that much you'll love 2 even more so
Nioh 2 is absolutely the best game of the bunch has become one of my all-time favorites. I thought Stranger of Paradise was great too but Wo Long felt like a step back to me. Hoping that Rise of the Ronin is another Team Ninja banger!
Nioh 2 is INSANE! loved it and it stands on its own. Too bad there wont be a 3rd
Sekiro will be the only game i will never beat cause i cant get past the constant sword clashing then hit, its annoying AF, shame cause the game looks great
What we need for the future is a game like Nioh 2 with double jump(and action skills for that) in an open world.
I still dont really get why Nioh is still compared to Dark Souls
Seriously, dont get me wrong, I played my fair share of FromSoft games, but in all honesty, they didn't reall click with me.
The only 2 FromSoft games I really liked where Bloodborne and, of course, Sekiro
I don't like the weighty, clunky movement of the Dark Souls games, it's just not enjoyable for me
The fast paced action of Sekiro, aswell as the stellar combat of Bloodborn really clicked with me tho
This is where Nioh comes in. My god, it's das and night compared to the Souls games
Sure, getting your ass kicked is half the fun, but my god it's the same with Sekiro, when the combat clicks, it clicks
It feels like you could take on entire mountain, only to quickly get humbled by John Bandit over there two tapping you with his rusty spear
All in all, Team Ninja still stays on top of my favourite developers. I love their games and I can't wait for Rise od Ronin.
If they manage to melt together both the managing and depth aspect of Nioh, aswell as taking some aspects of Wo Longs combat, I can guarantee you, it's gonna be amazing
Nioh 2 is a goddamn masterpiece, my second favorite "souls / soulslike" game, after Dark Souls 3, in 2023 I'm still playing Nioh 2, more or less several times a week. that's how addictive this game is, and I can still playing for a couple of years more, but I played Wu Long at the beginning of the year with a high hype, it was fun, ok, cool, but that's it, it feels like a game without soul, very empty, and when I finished everything I put it away and continued with more Nioh 2.
I don't know, but after an enormous game as Nioh 2, Wu Long is a big stepback, I hope one day they made Nioh 3, with the basis of Nioh 2, just take the next step, and the visual aspect of Wu Long, and that will be epic.
Nioh 3 fuck yeah, ¿Wu long 2? No thank you...
The magic in Wo Long is most effective for crowd control and when it's used to exploit the weakness of an enemy. Each element has a weakness to another so it helps to know which one you are fighting and which one to use against it. For example, when are fighting an enemy that lights their weapon on fire, you can use a water spell like ice to douse it to prevent the extra damage you could take from the fire. You can also make an enemy stagger faster using spells of their elemental weakness.
I think wolong is the most starter friendly game here. Nioh game can be a bit too confusing with all it's mechanics
I loved Nioh’s fucking story! To meet such legendary figures from the past in all their glory was amazing. I was so attached to the Nioh- Series that I grew very sentimental with the story especially the tragic turn in Nioh 2.
People like you who say that SOP's story is "dogshit" and "so bad its good" don't get it.
This is a story for FF fans, and it superbly ties in to the first FF. And also has many tropes from other FF games especially if you play the DLC.
The story makes full sense and is actually really good, as a repeating time loop.
Yeah I let the comments get to me at first until I watched a SOP story summary and it made so much more sense to me
SOP is cringe.
Meh
Wo Long is my first Team Ninja game and im loving it. Should i play Nioh 2? or would it feel outdated and lesser than Wo Long?
Hell nah, Brah. Nioh2 is goated and the combat smashes every other game. Wo Long is the Nioh2 wish version
nioh 2 combat best in the biz
Quite the opposite if you ask me, Wo Long felt like a pretty big step back in comparison. To the point you might feel overwhelmed by all the layers Nioh 2 has to offer. Combat is WAY more challenging since you also have 2 weapons you can switch on the fly, but each one has 3 stances and customizable combos for each stance with a ton of stuff you unlock over the course of the game. You also get Guardian Spirits like in Wo Long but instead of a few spell choices not only do you have Onmyo magic and Ninjutsu tools you also get to set 3 Yokai cores that kind of work like special attacks/summons on top of everything else you can upgrade and customize...
You will "shed your mortal coil" a LOT in Nioh 2... far far more than you have in Wo Long, i 100% guarantee it. :P
Nioh 2 is still amazing. Well worth playing. I beat wu long and all it did is make me want to reroll a new character in nioh 2
@@77-7- I’d agree if these guys didn’t make ninja gaiden 2 ten years prior to Nioh 2
Surprised you didn’t mention the first nioh’s NG+. That was when the game really opened up and the meta is just super addicting. With leveling up your spirit animal and being able to equip two at once. It added more perks and insane buffs when using the right spirit animal. And I found use for quite a few of them, whether it be looting or money farming etc.
Fun video though! You have a good attitude and articulate well. Keep at it! And I also agree with this list lol.
Yeah the Nioh games NG+ are the best ones I’ve seen in gaming
For sure. DS2 has a pretty good one too. But no one likes that game but me and like 10 other people it seems. I still have to beat nioh 2, but I’m hoping it’s very similar.
@@josephallen3076 Nioh 2’s NG+ has all the same versions as Nioh 1(Way/Dream of the strong, demon, etc.) as well as the underworld which unlocks with dream of the Nioh
Yes. Nioh2 changed how I feel about most souls games. Still playing through the underworld, So much replay ability. Wo long so far is a let down for me but it's still fun going through game plus and not really seeing any difference but enemies doing more damage. Nioh 2 on the other hand in game plus, more enemy damage, increased number of enemies and added new enemies. Good times in nioh 2.😄
All that came at a later date in Nioh 2 with the DLCs. When Nioh 2 first game out, like Wo Long it only had one NG+, and like Wo Long the only difference was enemies have increase health and damage.
@Stephen Hutchinson Nioh 2 first new game plus replace enemies with harder ones and they had new moves. And the later dlc packs was pretty badass. I hope wo long gets better because right now it's boring unless you into pvp.
Yeah Wo Long’s gameplay is a bit disappointing compared to Nioh 2’s combat since Wo Long feels like it relies more on just parrying compared to actually mastering the weapons in Nioh
Nioh 2 is clearly leading the pack, but it's not perfect. But Team Ninja is getting there.
@@squirtbrainz1219But the PVP in Wo Long I very fun compared to some other games in the genre
Nioh2 is kinda the pinnacle of combat for me. love customisable everything was.
Things I hope will happen in Nioh 3 (or other similar games from TN):
1) take Nioh 2 as a baseline, since that's the best combat system of any action-rpg game
2) improve the loot system: more quality over quantity, or at least increase the inventory space, and improve the search options (filtering)
3) 2 Picture Scrolls can be equipped ... because why not? :D
4) I see this Interim as a sort of proof of concept for a hub => maybe they want to make Nioh 3 more open world, it could be nice instead of using the main map
5) add a jump button, but make sure not to overdo it like Wo Long, if it's like Ninja Gaiden Black then great (doesn't jump very high + can be used for great platforming action)
6) bring the roll back again from Nioh 1 instead of just temper
7) last but not least: make the game harder. Way of the Nioh and the Underworld are too easy once you have reached level 750
8) edit: forgot but it's crucial: get rid of that yokai shift
Won't have NIOH 3 the game developers already announced and ended the series with the last NIOH 2 DLC. May be a more soul-like action Warrior Orochi vibe mixed between Sengoku and Three Kingdom Era?
I thought they put the spirit stone mechanic in for people who wanted a truly ball crushing challenge in the abyss in nioh 2.
Dark souls does not have deep combat. SoP amd Nioh 1 are way more involved
SoP combat isn't as deep or extensive as DS? Um... it's way more than what you get with DS.
Yeah I totally agree, with your comments on Nioh 2. I loved nioh 1, but nioh just improved upon it in everyday, and if they ever make a Nioh 3 I'm going to feel the hype.
@potatopower2144 I don't think Nioh or souls like games in general are played for their lackluster story. The are more like a arcade style game where you just enjoy the gameplay and bosses.
Also any game is arguably easy if you use a META build or strat, but if that's how you feel, why play anything at all?
Nioh 1 had the whole weapon super transformation, which basically done the same thing in the second game, so It's not to different.
@potatopower2144 well at least Nioh 2 needs heavy skill from you not like from software where you just fat roll and thats pretty much it.
@@sauliusvekteris526wow the slander 😂
Wo long is last on my list. Shame they dialed down so many good features and build flexibility.
Exactly, im there with ya. I hope they improve on all their systems for the dlc. They should have hit this game off solid day 1 if they just kept the same qualities of nioh and improved on them rather than changing a lot of what didn't need to be changed. I get they were trying to make a new IP and deter from Nioh but they really missed the mark on so many levels. Like basic ass things with menu management. They must have lost some really good devs otherwise I can't imagine how they messed up this bad lol
@@OSeanSanO exactly. Even the core gameplay is worse, because of the stupid morale system.. Farming lubu for his set while having to collect all the damn flags in order to raise morale in a map you've already completed is more tedious than any farming I've done in the nioh franchise. I'm surprised team ninja took such a huge step back from their previous title. This games itemization is lackluster. 90% of the weapons are bad.. Like so bad they can't even be made to be viable.
@@nanashiryuu5630 You Sound Like You’ve Never Played This Game I Can Tell Tough Games Arnt For You The Only Issue With The Morale System Is Not Getting Enough Morale Back On A Higher Enemies Your Literate Complaining About The Farming Portion Of The Game They Didnt Drop The Ball The Game Just Not For You My Guy It’s Simple A lot Off Ppl Like To Grind Gear And Lvls Instead Of Getting Everything Handed To Em In A Single Player Story Mode Smh.
@@don5033 "You sound like you've never played this game before" my guy I've literally beaten it and half way through new game + and it's no where near as difficult as nioh 1 or 2. You didn't even refute any of my points and I'm the "literate" one 🙄.
@Nanashi Ryuu it's funny how you didn't even hard diss the game lol. Just last on your list and dude got mad.
Completely agree with the list and wouldn’t have placed them any differently. I do think that Stranger of Paradise has a sublime soundtrack that is worthy of it own praise, since it raises the overall experience of the game and combat
Just ordered Nioh 2 earlier today. Checking off my back list. Thanks for your review, I'm extremely excited.
Nioh>Wo Long>Nioh 2> never played
I’m really enjoying your channel 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Team Ninja makes better action games than From Software. Thems just the facts.
agree that TN game have much better combat mechanics and fluidity movement than fromsoft
Team ninja = gameplay and fighting mechanics will be top tier, all other stuff takes a backseat.
I just finished wo long and I gotta say even though the combat is excellent it still falls short to the original Nioh (I still haven't played Nioh 2). Nioh had so many amazing and memorable bosses, but most of the bosses in wo long were just people with superpowers and didn't leave much of an impression.
actually your comment made me excited. i literally just finished Wo Long demo and while i really like the combat, i dont like how 2 out of 3 bosses in the demo are monsters (the monkey and the boar). For a game that focuses in parrying, i prefer it to have more human bosses rather than monsters, just like Sekiro. So reading your comment got me even more excited to get the full game haha.
Currently on my first Nioh 1 playthrough too (just defeated the spider lady boss), but i still havent mastered the stances and ki mechanics yet.
@rakha9119 If you like those kinds of bosses, then boy are you in for a treat with bosses like Lu Bu, Zhang Lioa and Zhang Liang.
Personally, like I said, I prefer bosses to be mythological creatures.
At the very end of Nioh you will encounter "Yamata no Orochi" and it was awesome.
The Wizardry spells did suck however, the Earth Wizardry spell helped me defeat a Water-based bosses in Wo Long. I occasionally use the Water stealth Wizardry spell to bite a chuck out of their health.
Ive only played Nioh 2 and while the story was pretty meh I loooved reading the Yokai Stories!
I would personally switch wo long with the first Nioh game, for me both Nioh games are superior to Wo Long, even when this one is also a lot of fun but too simplistic compared to the Nioh games and also less flexible since it really demands to use deflect very often, I prefer the variety and combat depth and flexibility of the Nioh games
honeslty it still feels like nioh 2 has the best combat and gameplay feel out of all the souls like games.Tho i will say wo long was alright but not close to nioh 2
Let's appreciate how much better the bosses have gotten over the years. Even from their time in Ninja Gaiden. We went from slippery bosses that dodge half your attacks at random to Dark Souls 1 bosses mixed with glorified PvP invaders to genuinely amazing duels like Yoshitsune, Gilgamesh and Lu Bu.
If there ever is a Nioh 3, I hope they make some true bosses, not damage sponges with 3-4 moves. That and the yokai form should be it's own thing and should develop as the human form does.
Ninja Gaiden has better movement/platforming though, and if you take the Ryu clones fights, they're still a bit better than the Nioh/Nioh 2 fights because of that movement.
Also, I haven't seen a boss better than Alma and Awakened Alma.
Zhang Liao was a genuine surprise for me. I expected Lu Bu to be a challenge but him... Man, he's probably my most favorite boss fight of Wo Long.
As far as Nioh 2 goes, I absolutely love the Shuten Doji fight we have in the second DLC, every Otakemaru fight and Tate Eboshi. Nioh 2 has amazing monster bosses and wo long has absolutely improved on the human bosses. I keep thinking, what would Toshimitsu and Ryu Hayabusa be like in Wo Long?
@@sriramguhaprasad4421Lu Bu is harder. He has power and speed not just speed like Lioa. And Taishi Ci is the new king of the bosses
@@lancekemal8989 I agree. I meant I knew lu bu will be challenging but, Zhang Liao being that crazy good threw me off. Lu Bu has to be crazy good... There's no other option. Taishi Ci is genuinely perplexing... Idk how he's so strong... Not abt the lore thingy, I know he was a famed warrior based on his characterization in the musou games, still... It's kinda wierd to see him be so strong.
Great vid man.
Team Ninja is amazing! Big big fan too. I do think Wo Long is a step back though
Its not step banck just think as if its like from software game with sekiro super fast paced combat.
For Wo Long what I've gotten out of the wizardry spells is that they are more for status effects than damage. Unless it's the big spells. The status effects are pretty nasty. Like shock is a spirit DOT and toxic makes any other status ailments remain at full duration until the toxic wears off. Add any other "bla bla" effect on "bla bla" action skill on some gear and you can just cancer your enemies to death and it's funny especially on invaders.
Fire spells do insane damage in Wo Long though
my personal rank
1 - Stranger of Paradise
2 - Wo Long
3 - Nioh 2
4 - Nioh
You sold me on Wo Long I've been waiting for a game with a satisfying parry system since Sekiro.
For me even nioh1 is more combat than wolong
Nioh 2 is one of my favourite games ever. It’s also the most difficult game I’ve ever played. I tried stranger of paradise on release but couldn’t handle it. It just felt like a rushed poor quality game but now we are a year later, I might give it another try.
Nioh 2's story is a interesting spin of sengoku era, if you know about the history.
I dont understand the hate over nioh 2 story. I liked it
I'm replaying NIOH 1, I rushed through it originally to just beat it and then play NIOH 2. I dumped well over a hundred hours into NIOH 2 and now just want to fully flesh out my experience with NIOH 1. These games were tailored made for me. Souls-like, RPG, Hack and Slash, Looter, Gear Sets, Very Diablo -esque approach to gameplay = ADDICTION
15:25 when I played I mostly just used stat buffs spells, but man there was this one earth spell that would be able to stun basically any boss, and combo that with a buff that decreased the cost of spells, bro I was clapping pretty much every boss. Super fun combat in Wo long I’m glad you mentioned that.
Let me tell you please. After years of denial I decided that I just had to finish Nioh 2, I bought the remaster on PS5 and I went through half of it already. The game is pretty difficult but you can make it easier by either do all the side quests and level up or play online and summon either offline characters of other players or even invite them to join you in real time. Not only that made it just way more achievable for me but I swear to God Nioh 2 is beyond description just spectacular, the combat is one of the most enjoyable that I have ever seen. There's so much content, so many different weapons, so many different enemies, bosses, armors, just so many different playstyles it's just unbelievable.
I initially couldn't get into Wo Long because I came straight from Nioh 2 and found the combat in Wo Long to be a little basic. A while later I played Strangers of Paradise and loved it, and decided it would be worth a try to try Wo Long again since the systems were similar. Turned out that was exactly what I needed, I couldn't put Wo Long down coming after Strangers of Paradise haha so I leave this comment here just in case anyone else needed a "way in" to Wo Long like I did. Going from Final Fantasy Strangers of Paradise really helps.
Edit: Also, agreed on Strangers of Paradise. Granted I'm biased because I also love Final Fantasy but I thought the story was dumb but surprisingly satisfying once the credits rolled.
I agree with this list completely
Also, burst counters in Nioh 2 were great. One thing I can say about Nioh 1 I liked better was the Abyss. Reason being is it had the absolute best gear you could get at 900+ floor Abyss. It gave you an edge in power most players weren't determined enough to achieve.
Nioh to stopped it at floor 108 with the Underworld and then depths of the Underworld but it just wasn't quite the same
Other than that, yeah Nioh 2 all day.
Burst counters are nice but the problem is that you can exploit them. Like imagine that you cannot beat some enemy for some reason, you can just wait for the red glow and then do the burst counter => it's something that should be improved in Nioh 3, but the concept in itself is pretty good, it's just not perfect ... yet.
@@youuuuuuuuuuutube On top of feeling like a crutch, they're too good to not use. They feel like they railroad you into them rather than bring able to play your own way. Sure you can choose to ignore the move and dodge away (or some other type of mitigation) but then you're just nerfing yourself. I dislike counters for that reason, Monster Hunter Rise has the same problem but it's worse. The counters there are too strong so they make the rest of moves feel useless
@potatopower2144 No
Nioh 2 got nice story, nice combat and overall its KFC tier top of the line. I just want to go and have a taste even if I already go there once, cuz its that good. The story is good too, Its like story book where you only know the part of people story that you have partaken in or they told you about their goals and dream directly during the spirit sharing, they didnt drag out the cutscene and only give you what you need to know and thats professional. The story is weird in some places like how does that happen? but once you piece it together doing main and sidequest or just continue listening, its really awesome. They really like to tell story that was base on your character prespective, you only know what you see or heard but mostly seen type of stuff and there also lore if you absorb enouf knowledge from the soul core of yokai you absorb, its just a lot of reading thats all.
I like to focus on the story even when its spars, the combat is nice too, very fast pace and speedy unlike soul game so I don't get the "soulslike" thing unless they comparing the difficulty but I got stuck fighting boss like hundred of time in elden ring and DS but here only took me like two digit to get the ground in Nioh 2 cuz we have Nuclear option and the evade timing is very generous too.
The weapon is like Bloodborne level or maybe better, cuz the stand mechanic.
90/100 very cool game.
I actually am playing through Nioh 1 again right now, it's still really good tbh. Nioh 2 did improve a lot, but there's something still so cool about playing as William in that world
Nioh 2 has a VERY high skill ceiling 👏 love this game..
Loving wo long too
Nioh 2 is amazing, the game has so much content, incredible replaybility if you consider the new stuff in new game plus and also dlc new maps and enemies and unlimited customization and loot options.
I just finished Nioh 2 and loved it, but needed help to get through it. Does Wo Long let you summon help as easily?
Team ninja sucks kinda like step up we are in 2024 almost 2025 not stuck in 2014
Lmao I have the exact same list.
1.Nioh 2- Has One of the best character creators in gaming, It's magnificent and The gameplay and the amount of depth and Variety is out of this world... It's also Quite balanced compared to the other games and it even has the best story out of these 4. I think Nioh 2 is Team Ninjas Magnum Opus so far.
2.Wo Long- has Nioh 2s amazing Character creator,I LOVE Sekiro and I'm so happy with the Influence it has on this game unfortunately The game isn't as in depth as Nioh and Has pretty low Enemy diversity, But the Deflection/Deathblow Gameplay style it took from Sekiro is super fun and engaging.
3.Nioh 1- Great Game, Great combat but It has Serious Balancing issues worse then any of the others in this list, Alot of Absolute BS parts and Worst offender here is Zero Character Creator lol but it does have a better story then Wo long and SOP and I do like William as a character.
4.SOP- Such an Absolute dog shit story, I didn't like many of the characters (I'm a FF fan to) And The Magic system is super convoluted and I didn't like it, The Job system adds alot of variety but It wasn't enough to grab me.
I also think SOP has the worst Level design of the 4 and also No character creator... SOP only one of the 4 I beat once then deleted And forgot about.
That all said if they make another SOP type game with Character creation,Better Dialogue and story and characters alone I'd Def jump on that for sure.
I loved wo long too but i did find Nioh 2 almost too hard when i played it on launch.
I adore strangers of paradise. I mean you can play as blue mage or ronin. The job system there is just so sweet. I think ill give Nioh 2 another shot now.
I highly recommend playing with a friend, or waiting for coop partners; n first playthrough of Nioh 2, that and a omnyo build with switchgliave should help make things easier. It feels impossible otherwise. Also another tip, dodge away and wait for an opening to attack, it's not like souls where you dodge and counter.
I find Nioh 2 grossly overrated. So many folks say it improves absolutely everything from 1 but that's untrue. In fact some aspects are straight downgrades. Most people didn't even play 1 or barely touched it. That said I do think 2 is superior, but not by much. SOP however, is easily my favorite. I already loved Final Fantasy so being able to experience it with Team Ninja's immaculate action game design was amazing. I love how they made the job system and iconic FF abilities translate so well into the gameplay and build crafting is so damn fun too (so fun that I spend as much time theorycrafting, fusing, etc as playing the damn game lol). I really hope we get a sequel, which is why I bought multiple copies for my friends and encouraged others to get it.
@@Walamonga1313I can't think of a single thing Nioh 1 does better than 2
@potatopower2144 Burst counters aren't mandatory and the created character still manages to be more interesting than the generic swordsman.
My only issue with their games is the amount of particle effects cant see a damn thing sometimes, lol
With all respect, but at 4:15 is misinformation. If you finish the DLC3 and reach floor 300 or above, it is obvious that Stranger of Paradise combat mechanic is deeper than Nioh 2 (refer to the game difficulty at depths of the underworld 30). And by far deeper than dark souls NG+7 or Elden ring. At the max difficulty setting of each game, that is where players have to utilize all the combat mechanics.
What music is playing in the beginning of the video?
I heard it somewhere, but I can't recall where.
Going through the comments and video I'm wondering if I should get Wo Long. I enjoyed the other games on the list (yes even Stranger of Paradise). Not sure.
I'm gonna hope that SONY eventually releases Rise of the Ronin on PC. 2025 may be a new ninja gaiden game.
Sony is only publishing the PS5 version. Nioh 1 and 2 were as well and came to PC like a year later. Trust me its coming to PC eventually
Nioh and Wo long are not hard games. What they make "difficult" is the very complex rpg combat system. If you craft / level / fight in a smart way, you break the game.
I love wo long lowkey, like it’s fun and reminds me of Sekiro
Now I gotta get my hands on nioh 2
For SoP, just selecting optimizate equipment would get you killed way too quickly in the DLCs. You actually have to craft a solid build based on your weapon type and class to reliably do well (and if you put some more effort, you could absolutely be a monster too.)
I can't agree with you saying that optimize equipment trivializes the loot system unless you only went through the story once and avoided Chaos Mode. I do agree that most of the loot does end up being trash tho.
Occasionally they'll have some good effects that you can fuse onto other armor but for the most part yea.
That being said, i really enjoyed SoP (Chaosman is still my favorite character lul) and the comparisons to the other games just make me excited to play them, so thanks for making this vid!
Nioh 2 is such a great game, I really should find some time to play it again, I'm pretty sure I've beaten the main story last time I played, but it has so much good side content, my favorite weapons were the Fists because I love the rapid combo and my favorite part the posture breaking fist, I put the stamina damage on it and it's so cool to watch enemies get sent flying after breaking their stamina.
And the Scythe, because it's a Scythe, nothing more needed to be said, but seriously it's just a cool weapons.
But that's not to say the rest of the weapins aren't great, I switched from weapon to weapon so often because pretty much all of them have something fun about them.
I haven't beaten every title, but I believe Team Ninja is a rather underappreciated developer. They successfully took the inspiration from Souls and did there own thing, there not copy cats.
I'm loving Wolong, almost everything. Even the corny, old school king-fu movie vibe of the cutscenes.
Finally I think there level design is under rated. It's on par with the O-DS, but within single cell design, rather then open.
I have wo long as the lowest ranking for the fact that it took the most steps backwards in quality of life options we had from Nioh and even strangers. I hope they fix a lot of the issues it has with the lack of animation cancels, menu management, the crappy pick up button being the same as wizardry literally makes your character touch a chest or pick up an item mid fight. Wo long has us feeling the weakest out of all the ng+ with very little viable builds. Martial arts are very limiting compared to the weapon skill tree from nioh hence waaaay less combos. And they just updated it but why couldn't we replenish ammo and items at a flag? That was horrible and eliminated the desire to even use ranged weapons. The game has the least enemy variety. Nioh had all these lore rich yokai and we get nothing lore rich from Wo long. This is the MAIN team working on this game. I gave Strangers a bit of forgiveness because it was their B team working on it. Wo long doesn't get that pass because they should really know better.
Strangers took some steps back but made up 10 fold with the dlc so I think they could do the same for wo long. I just don't think we should deal with bad systems at launch when we know they had a good system going with Nioh 1 and 2. They are constantly trying to reinvent the wheel when they should just keep going with what they have. Don't fix what isn't broken. I want to see more creativity moving forward. There's room for one more martial art with R1 + X if they wanted and they need to add more ways to combo/ animation cancel. In NG++ the posture break we receive should be less forgiving if every enemy/ boss is going to 1 shot you. The fact that we can't even get more than 10% dmg reduction on armor is kinda sad. A lot of armor sets are so lackluster compared to Nioh 1 and 2 as well. Come on Team Ninja, I love your shit for a reason but you gotta do better than this.
wo long is rushed, unfinished
If there would ever be a Nioh 3 I really hope they add the deflect system from Wo Long because that's really fun. Make the parry window more tighter tho
The item management in all of these games is a NIGHTMARE!
Nioh 2 > Sop > Nioh > Wo long. Will have to see after all dlc for wo long releases. But wo long is at the bottom bcs of the combat the parry is nice but the different weapons dont feel important like nioh and SOp did with them.
I just finished wo long and I absolutely loved it and I'm going to he getting nioh 1&2 to play very soon. I thought it was so amazing. I still have sub missions left but the main story is over.
Nioh 2s soundtrack alone makes me comeback and replay it just finished way of the nioh and man I feel like starting all over again
Stranger of paradise is incredible. So that’s a great sign for the list
Nioh is that game where the environment significantly adds up to the difficulty
When I played Nioh 1 for the first time oh man that game showed me how hard it can be. Then I learned to be a master of sword. When I played Nioh 2 i felt in love from the first minute of it. If someone asked me what game would you like to see and play right now i would say please give me Nioh 3 with nioh 2 mechanics and even maybe something even more deeper. Nioh 2 will always be my NO1 in souls game cause the gameplay is beyond satisfying experience. No other souls game gave me that feeling like Nioh 2 did when i learned to be a master of it.
My most favourites are Nioh 2 and SoP (yeah I'm a FF fan). I got the Nioh Collection for PS5 and I really loved 2 and still playing it. And despite all the flaws with SoP I got the Platinum trophy and I really enjoyed it. There were so many classes and play styles and I think the game is very underrated.
It’s daring to say but Team Ninja was never really good at telling Good Narrative Stories. Some of their story can either be Mid or Poor, it’s kind of the same with Ninja Gaiden & Dead or Alive.
The company doesn’t hold a candle to other Japanese Companies such as Capcom, Namco, & Konomi in a certain extent.
Team Ninja put a whole lot more love, time and thought in NG+ cycles and endgame than FromSoft 👀🤘🏻😁
I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that Nioh2 is going to be first on the list.
Edit: I am indeed correct :P
Personally i think Wo long is an actual good game, the problem where this much disappointment is coming from is only two places:
1. PC players who got arguably one of the worst ports of the decade - i do play on the PC, however i use controller so it's not AS BAD as some people's experiences with it :)
2. People (like myself) who played Nioh2 and Sekiro (finished like 50 times) and we have the bad habit of comparing it to both games since it's supposed to be a combination of the two. And unfortunately it's not as good as either of them (but still a very good game) but that's only coming from veteran soul/nioh player like myself.
If i played this game before any soulslike i'm sure i would enjoy it MUCH MORE, however it's hard not to compare to their previous game (which i love) and probably my favourite game of all time (Sekiro, and this coming from someone that has played almost all fantasy or medieval themed games on PC's since the 90s)
I think i will save my steam review(not reviewed it) after all 3 DLCs come out, i would like to review the actual finished full product. For Nioh2 at least, my grade jumped from 8 to a 9/10 when including all DLCs.
If you played enough dynasty warriors games the story is pretty much always the same and you probably would like the characters more and understand why characters such as lu bu is hard in wo long. And I think the level design really follows well with how the story of the three kingdoms depicts
You and I must have a completely different definition of "deep" in regards to combat. Dark Souls combat is the most simplistic of any action game ever made. It's good because it is so simple and clean. Strangers of Paradise combat, in contrast, in incomparably complex.
IMO Stranger of Paradise has a lot more combat depth and variety than Wo Long.
Wo long's characters are real chinese hero's from around 200 ac + . Those who played dynasty wariors understands this history and know most characters. Its kind of interesting
Very nice and interesting video, here, good sir ! I did not play FFSP, except for the demo but I did finish Wolong (although not played the extensions, coz I did not dig it so much), Nioh 1 and Nioh 2.
For those last two ones, I grinded them till the bone : finished the 999 levels of Nioh's abyss and stone of penance nine'd the Nioh 2's depth of the underworld (till floor 30). So I can definitely agree with your opinion about those games !
Regarding WL, I would be less enthusiastic, the gameplay fellt very shallow, expecially being released for so long after Nioh 2 ...
For me Nioh 2 will probably never be beaten and will forever rank #1 in action games category (and I have played almost all of these games for the last 20+ years : Ninja gaiden, Devil may cry, Bazonetta ...) and it's also definitely in my top 10 games ever, knowing I have been playing video games for over 40 years now ...
Anyway, very nice video and thanks for sharing this content and promoting those great games ! Take care, peace. ;)
SOP>WO LONG>NIOH>NIOH2