Todd, thanks a lot for the sale. I finally pulled the trigger on a 60/64 for my 05 Fummins today. I'm super excited about lower EGTs, less smoke and more power!
This is the video I needed two years ago. I went with the 62/65 and after living with that for the last two years that 60/64 is looking very nice. More data the better.
@@pddofficial I should clarify for the masses. The turbo is working great. It's just a little oversized for my power level. That little delay in spool takes a bit of getting used to but once it spools as the data shows it's a work horse. Personally after having the hx35 for twenty years it still catches me off guard from time to time.
@@pddofficialany hints? Currently running hx40 downpipe on 12v and have been hoping for a bolt-on similar in performance to the aggressor 60-64 or 60-67
OH YEA!!!! Love this info!!!!! Love the honest answers and straight forward info from the best!!!! I would be curios to see tests around the 500hp level with small compounds. Keep it up!!!!
Hook a trailer to all of them with the same weight. Take them on the same hill and collect egt, coolant, and boost readings over the pull. Then swap to a ported head and do all the same test. Then a bench pump and repeat all the same tests. And if you would want to also throw a towing compound set on top of the aggressor turbos I think that would also be great info and a great video.
Definitely a trailer pull comparison. I have been waivering between the K27 and 60/64 but now have a path. Thanks, Todd for the awesome data and dirt simple explanations.
I have a k27 and after having teething issues with it and a replacement of it i seriously cannot complain whatsoever. I only have a baby just under 300 hp on tap but the torque is a whopping 860 ftlb and that is where it counts towing is a breeze,actually astounding with lowish egt's and very happy indeed .
COMPOUNDS! Add a compound setup to compare to all of these turbos for those of us that want to compare and ultimate towing setup to a single turbo upgrade
Love this video. I will be calling you next week for help with other mods to assist with this turbo! I would like to see a video on how they drive and the a video for each additional part to add..install and the power and drive.
LOVE YOU GUYS!!💪🏽 Although I’m new to the diesel world, Learning so much through your videos!! I decided to start building mine recently buying from Your Site because of your knowledge! Do ya’ll offer a video like this one for my 24V? Thanks in Advance!
Maybe for egt testing you should pick an rpm say 2300 and apply a steady load like 350hp and see what charger can pull that same load same speed the coolest. I think that best represents what you typically see pulling a heavy trailer up a grade normally you are just running a small rpm window of maybe 200rpm on the highway. I think you should test the s300g too. I think it would spool about like the 60-64 but have durability like the s300 and the lower egts of the 62. Big drawback to it is the 57wheel is awesome for 450 and down but at 500 it is pretty well tapped out. That is what I have found after doing extensive testing of h1c,hx35,hx40,s300g and sxe300 turbos. This of course applies only to 5.9 trucks. Add cubes like a 6.7 and the 62 is far more favorable. Also why didn't you test the 60-67 Super 9?
They said they can sim a grade and very the tow rig weight with the dyno when I ran my 91.5. I hope the new Mustang software update retains this functionality, this is the test most need for nontrack use proper turbo sizing choice.
Are we going to see the Hx super 9 on the comparison? Interested how that one does with the different compressor wheels. Been very interested in that one. Would be great to see a simulation of loaded, off throttle and hit the power to simulate passing on the highway.
I have your s362/68 and I love it. Not for the faint of heart for towing 15k around the mountains, but after a driving style change it was a night and day difference from the hx35 holding speed and keeping cool up steep grades
I’m planning a 12 v build from block up. I was wondering what turbo would be 1 step up from a K27. This video answers that! 60/64 with a cam, tow ported head and a cam looks like the ticket.
Id love to see how these stack up compared to your guys towing twins setup. Ive been running that for the last year and it has been fantastic. Just rebuilt the engine with your stage one ported head too!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a low rpm loaded simulation, I would love to see what happens if someone slows down in front of you and you pull down to 1,500 rpm and then get back in the fuel to pass without dropping a gear
Great video Todd! really good info and very well presented. I was disappointed you didn't have a any he351 based hotside in this shootout. I'm running a holset 60/67/9 12 blade. maybe the 60/64 would be very similar?
I have been curious about intake flow, the banks twin ram is something I would be interested to see if it makes any differences in these numbers. There's a lot of nay sayers on intake flow but Gale Banks has some interesting things to say about the matter. This would settle the issue if we could get a non biased data set.
I was able to do a few runs up through the gears and measured 60psi of back pressure at 27psi of boost on a 2.5 4 cylinder shifting around 7200rpm with the HE 351cw.
Mainly it will lower the boost and increase the drive pressure across the board. This will of course allow the bigger chargers to behave better and likely make some more power and on the small chargers it will aid spoolup but probably not power because the turbos already can't flow enough air.
I wanna see you guys do a comparison of a Borg s369 and a eBay gt45 cause you guys have a Dyno and look at the specs on both turbos I'm just curious on the power out put of the two and how they compare
i have the 62/65, 5x16s, 025s, 160 pump and still on stock gov springs. can hit 43psi and 1150egt unloaded on the highway. 30-80 mph time is similar to my old 30-65 mph time. i need to spend some time tuning and put my gov springs in.
My goal is to make 550-600 hp with decent fuel mileage and good towability. And of course i want it the most reasonable way possible. I will volunteer my stock, 77 3500, 5peed dualy with 164k and pay for all the parts. You pick the parts, I'll do the work and you do a before and after dyno run.
I have your 60/64 on a 24V 6-speed and like it. Which of your intercoolers do you recommend? There is some evidence of the beginning of a stock radiator leak, so I will change that also.
Road speed load testing. Down to 55mph sometimes towing in California . Can the motor use 350 hp of fuel at those speeds or is that power only available hear in Ut with our 80mph limmits.
It really depends on the RPMs you are running. If you are trying to maintain 350 HP at 1,500 RPM, you will not be able to; however, at 2,000 RPM, it would not be a problem
@pddofficial I'm watching the 68 trans pod cast now , at 1500 is line pressure the limiting factor, or is it getting /keeping the turbo spooled sufficiently supplying enough air to burn all that fuel? 350 is what has been called out as the 2nd gen cooling system limmit.
If you guys ever need a guinea pig, I'll let you put some parts on my truck... Im going to have to bring my truck to you now I know you're in Cedar City. I thought you guys were farther north. We are basically neighbors.
Do a towing test forsure!!! Ive got a 24v auto trans with your 650 hp tow trans kit in it. It is in the process of getting p pump swapped, the pump has 5k springs and a rack plug and full cut dv, i will probably be going down in dv size that is how it was when i bought it. It has a 1800 stall converter and i use it to tow 20k. Ive been trying to find the right injector size, dv size and turbo setup for towing. Any suggestions will be great! Im likeing that 60/64.
question - what should i change here for optimum results. 24 valve 99; i have 3 piece exaust manifold - HX35 off 1994, crazy carls pipe, s475/96/1.32t6. HO pistons, 20 over, hd valve springs/rods, and SAC 7x0.014 350 injectors. quad tune.
@@pddofficial sort of a toy/daily. looking to make the most out of the equipment i have. also a bit tired of tearing it down for repairs but, is what it is
How about 025 delivery valves, 150 hp injectors, 4k governor springs and 21 degrees of timing. Stock head, stock cam. What would work best? Daily driver, tows rarely.
We have and they are great for what they are designed for which is a max effort turbo. I didn’t love its street manners which is why we made our version different and much more street friendly.
We played with a couple 257sxe turbos in the past, they would be great for a 5.9 12v Cummins tow truck in stop and go traffic if you lived and operated at 9000' elevation. Otherwise they spooled quick and choked earlier than the stock Holset.
i am on a quest for the best mpg in my 97 180 pump service truck shes mostly stock except mild trans and 4k gsk 4 inch turbo back got right much weight in the bed and shes getting a little lazy and i havent even added my compressor or generator yet
That is an ongoing debate here for sure. 4 valve heads flow way better at lower lifts then stall out quick. 2 valve heads just keep picking up flow with lift. Both can be made to work well but probably easier with the 4 valve heads
You said it. No one pulls in this RPM. So most of this data doesn't apply. Then why not look at the torque as its in those drive ability ranges. Ill take torque down low & early every time over hp. HP #'s mean nothing to me. I never hit those RPMs. But i do want better power how I use it.
It would seem that way until you actually drive the two particularly if it’s a stick truck. In that 1250rpm to 1750 rpm range my 57mm s300g has instantly available about 160hp. The sxe362 in the same range only makes about 100hp. That difference is blatantly obvious when taking off from a traffic light or cruising thru the neighborhood a situation I find myself in a lot higher percentage of the time than flat foot airing it out
@@J3n555 yep can always run 4:88 and do 2500 rpm launches at every traffic light. Hard on fuel clutches and tires but great for smiles!!! 😎 it is nice we have options 😈
Why does everything have to be argued. Hoe bout we all get along and do what we think is best for ourbown needs. Good job Todd we need more than just banks and there pocket fulls of bought out money. Yea 2012 was the beginingg if i remember it all changed. Conttol control
I'm pretty sure s300s are tougher. I ordered s300 63/68 with 9cm housing and dude who builds them gives warranty on that combo, roided 9cm hx has a bunch of don't exceed 40 psi disclaimers & no warranty on it
I will forever love this channel. They have always been truthful about everything since day one.
Thanks Tony!
Todd, thanks a lot for the sale. I finally pulled the trigger on a 60/64 for my 05 Fummins today. I'm super excited about lower EGTs, less smoke and more power!
Todd is such an intelligent guy, really makes me love watching these videos. It’s crazy how underrated PDD is, they deserve way more than they have.
Thank you!!!!
This is the video I needed two years ago. I went with the 62/65 and after living with that for the last two years that 60/64 is looking very nice. More data the better.
In a few months we’re going to have a better option for you that will utilize the hx40 down pipe you already have.
@@pddofficial I'll keep watching. I do still have all my stock stuff just in case. Wife hates it but it comes in handy from time to time.
Exhaust housing swap might just be what you need!
@@pddofficial I should clarify for the masses. The turbo is working great. It's just a little oversized for my power level. That little delay in spool takes a bit of getting used to but once it spools as the data shows it's a work horse. Personally after having the hx35 for twenty years it still catches me off guard from time to time.
@@pddofficialany hints? Currently running hx40 downpipe on 12v and have been hoping for a bolt-on similar in performance to the aggressor 60-64 or 60-67
OH YEA!!!! Love this info!!!!! Love the honest answers and straight forward info from the best!!!! I would be curios to see tests around the 500hp level with small compounds. Keep it up!!!!
Compounds would look really good compared to these. These are great turbos but to reach their true potential they should be paired with a 480!
480 was what I was thinking!! Ive had great luck with them in the T4 1.25 for the 500ish HP trucks!! Cant wait to see more!@@pddofficial
Would love a part two with low rpm heavy pull scenarios. Nice work
Noted!
Nice work. Tq is what really matters when hooked to a trailer so waiting for pt2.
Hook a trailer to all of them with the same weight. Take them on the same hill and collect egt, coolant, and boost readings over the pull. Then swap to a ported head and do all the same test. Then a bench pump and repeat all the same tests. And if you would want to also throw a towing compound set on top of the aggressor turbos I think that would also be great info and a great video.
Definitely a trailer pull comparison. I have been waivering between the K27 and 60/64 but now have a path. Thanks, Todd for the awesome data and dirt simple explanations.
Glad to help
I have a k27 and after having teething issues with it and a replacement of it i seriously cannot complain whatsoever. I only have a baby just under 300 hp on tap but the torque is a whopping 860 ftlb and that is where it counts towing is a breeze,actually astounding with lowish egt's and very happy indeed .
COMPOUNDS! Add a compound setup to compare to all of these turbos for those of us that want to compare and ultimate towing setup to a single turbo upgrade
Agreed looking to get compounds soon just picked up a 92 12v ve pump.
Can’t wait to see the difference in my truck in the next few weeks when you guys are done with it!
You know this isn't a banks video because they actually show dyno numbers with their products.
That made me laugh hard!
Todd
@@pddofficial maybe you can send the turbos to banks so they can measure air density 😂
And Todd doesn’t wear his pants under his armpits
Waited for someone to bash the Banks. You do know that he was one of the first to sell diesel performance right?
@@mystycim you know his stuff is overpriced and he'll never tell you a hp gain on his $1000 6.7 monster ram intake because it's a scam right?
Love my 60/64! It’s a lot louder than I thought it would be in a good way 😆
Love this video. I will be calling you next week for help with other mods to assist with this turbo! I would like to see a video on how they drive and the a video for each additional part to add..install and the power and drive.
Please do!
I just ordered the 62 with the manifold etc two days ago for my manual 92 I can't wait.
Awesome i have one on a 4 cylinder ford 2.3 and i'm going to test it soon i feel it's getting up there.
LOVE YOU GUYS!!💪🏽 Although I’m new to the diesel world, Learning so much through your videos!! I decided to start building mine recently buying from Your Site because of your knowledge! Do ya’ll offer a video like this one for my 24V?
Thanks in Advance!
We have done a few vp44 build videos. We like the adrenaline tuner for them generally.
Awesome data!! I want to see how different a ported head is
Coming soon!
Thank you so much for really getting into the nitty gritty Imyou guys are the best❤
Just put a 62/65/14 on my 5 speed first gen with 5x.012 injectors, and although the waste gate needs adjusted. She rips!
I ran the same setup and after my ve pump failed I installed a p7100. I can tell you it is tons of fun now!
Maybe for egt testing you should pick an rpm say 2300 and apply a steady load like 350hp and see what charger can pull that same load same speed the coolest. I think that best represents what you typically see pulling a heavy trailer up a grade normally you are just running a small rpm window of maybe 200rpm on the highway. I think you should test the s300g too. I think it would spool about like the 60-64 but have durability like the s300 and the lower egts of the 62. Big drawback to it is the 57wheel is awesome for 450 and down but at 500 it is pretty well tapped out. That is what I have found after doing extensive testing of h1c,hx35,hx40,s300g and sxe300 turbos. This of course applies only to 5.9 trucks. Add cubes like a 6.7 and the 62 is far more favorable. Also why didn't you test the 60-67 Super 9?
They said they can sim a grade and very the tow rig weight with the dyno when I ran my 91.5.
I hope the new Mustang software update retains this functionality, this is the test most need for nontrack use proper turbo sizing choice.
Those other turbos will be in a future video
Are we going to see the Hx super 9 on the comparison? Interested how that one does with the different compressor wheels. Been very interested in that one.
Would be great to see a simulation of loaded, off throttle and hit the power to simulate passing on the highway.
Yeah this and HX40
I have your s362/68 and I love it. Not for the faint of heart for towing 15k around the mountains, but after a driving style change it was a night and day difference from the hx35 holding speed and keeping cool up steep grades
Totally agree!
Interesting video and knowledge dump pdd never disappoints me ! One day I will have the compound towing kit on my 96 12v
Got a new kit in the works s as well. Watch for that over the next few months
Wow this show is great 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Would like to see a show on lowering egt.... With head mods, intake mods.. or any other ways 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I’m planning a 12 v build from block up. I was wondering what turbo would be 1 step up from a K27. This video answers that! 60/64 with a cam, tow ported head and a cam looks like the ticket.
It will run amazing!
Id love to see how these stack up compared to your guys towing twins setup. Ive been running that for the last year and it has been fantastic. Just rebuilt the engine with your stage one ported head too!
Great Video Guys!
Thanks!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a low rpm loaded simulation, I would love to see what happens if someone slows down in front of you and you pull down to 1,500 rpm and then get back in the fuel to pass without dropping a gear
First! These guys are the best. Thanks for sharing the data
Always enjoy your videos, maybe you could do some towing data and then start doing more mods
Great video Todd! really good info and very well presented. I was disappointed you didn't have a any he351 based hotside in this shootout. I'm running a holset 60/67/9 12 blade. maybe the 60/64 would be very similar?
I love the 351 hot side. The 60/64 is a great drop in but I do like the 67 wheel in the 9cm housing a lot
I have been curious about intake flow, the banks twin ram is something I would be interested to see if it makes any differences in these numbers. There's a lot of nay sayers on intake flow but Gale Banks has some interesting things to say about the matter. This would settle the issue if we could get a non biased data set.
We have been thinking about doing this test for a while.
Gale Banks 🤣🤣🤣 wait......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love to see the 62 with a 9cm housing swap!
Well, I probably watch the vid again, but I'm pretty happy with a modified HE351. 60-67, larger waste port. About to install a 62.5-67. at 7200ft.
Very good test information. Have you tested the Holset HE351cw non vgt for drive pressure?
Will be doing that soon
I was able to do a few runs up through the gears and measured 60psi of back pressure at 27psi of boost on a 2.5 4 cylinder shifting around 7200rpm with the HE 351cw.
Thank you! Great info, can you please do a video for twin turbo setups also?
love the data !!
Would love to see what a Stage 1 PDD ported head would do on that exact same test with the 4 different turbos and no other changes
Mainly it will lower the boost and increase the drive pressure across the board. This will of course allow the bigger chargers to behave better and likely make some more power and on the small chargers it will aid spoolup but probably not power because the turbos already can't flow enough air.
I wanna see you guys do a comparison of a Borg s369 and a eBay gt45 cause you guys have a Dyno and look at the specs on both turbos I'm just curious on the power out put of the two and how they compare
What about the super 9 hx35!! 60/67-9!?!?!
great video! any plans on one with a 24v or are results pretty much the same?
i have the 62/65, 5x16s, 025s, 160 pump and still on stock gov springs. can hit 43psi and 1150egt unloaded on the highway. 30-80 mph time is similar to my old 30-65 mph time. i need to spend some time tuning and put my gov springs in.
I have a video coming where we picked up 400 hp from tuning. Is a high power truck but spending time dialing something in is time well spent
@@pddofficialI can't wait to see it, I'm sure I'll learn something new.
When will we see some data on the HX Super 9 60/67/9????
You guys beat that dyno to death
We try!
A towing simulation would be nice
Good data to compare too! THANKS
My goal is to make 550-600 hp with decent fuel mileage and good towability. And of course i want it the most reasonable way possible. I will volunteer my stock, 77 3500, 5peed dualy with 164k and pay for all the parts. You pick the parts, I'll do the work and you do a before and after dyno run.
Which one of these turbos tested is most similar to your HX super 9?
Really none of them. Testing on turbos similar to that is coming soon
A comparison between a k27 and a HE351cw would be interesting
351 would win
I wish you guys would play with the 6.7 Cummins. Off road use only, of course.
Unfortunately if it ever had a vin # there is no such thing.
I have your 60/64 on a 24V 6-speed and like it. Which of your intercoolers do you recommend? There is some evidence of the beginning of a stock radiator leak, so I will change that also.
The mishimoto is a good unit. A bit restrictive at 100 pounds of boost though.
Great vid
Road speed load testing. Down to 55mph sometimes towing in California . Can the motor use 350 hp of fuel at those speeds or is that power only available hear in Ut with our 80mph limmits.
It really depends on the RPMs you are running. If you are trying to maintain 350 HP at 1,500 RPM, you will not be able to; however, at 2,000 RPM, it would not be a problem
@pddofficial I'm watching the 68 trans pod cast now , at 1500 is line pressure the limiting factor, or is it getting /keeping the turbo spooled sufficiently supplying enough air to burn all that fuel? 350 is what has been called out as the 2nd gen cooling system limmit.
Thanks I want one.
can you do a video on different compressor wheels? say a billet 5 or 6 blade vs a 9 or a 10 blade compressor wheel?
Wish I would have waited when I bought my bd killer b s361 for my 06 . Maybe next time
If you guys ever need a guinea pig, I'll let you put some parts on my truck...
Im going to have to bring my truck to you now I know you're in Cedar City. I thought you guys were farther north.
We are basically neighbors.
Do a towing test forsure!!! Ive got a 24v auto trans with your 650 hp tow trans kit in it. It is in the process of getting p pump swapped, the pump has 5k springs and a rack plug and full cut dv, i will probably be going down in dv size that is how it was when i bought it. It has a 1800 stall converter and i use it to tow 20k. Ive been trying to find the right injector size, dv size and turbo setup for towing. Any suggestions will be great! Im likeing that 60/64.
a 055 dv with a stage 2 powerjet injector will work great.
@@pddofficial thanks love your content I'll be buying a ton of parts this month!
It would be nice to see a 60/67 and a 62/67, as hp rises the larger turbine will shine.
That test will be coming soon
I would like to see an aggressor 60/67 test in a 12 valve second gen. Please! 🙏🏽 I was curious how it compares with an aggressor 60/64.
Coming soon!
@@pddofficial I second this.
question - what should i change here for optimum results. 24 valve 99; i have 3 piece exaust manifold - HX35 off 1994, crazy carls pipe, s475/96/1.32t6. HO pistons, 20 over, hd valve springs/rods, and SAC 7x0.014 350 injectors. quad tune.
Depends on what your goal with the truck is. Daily, towing, or max power?
@@pddofficial sort of a toy/daily. looking to make the most out of the equipment i have. also a bit tired of tearing it down for repairs but, is what it is
Bottom line which ons is better for Towing??
Ultimately, it depends on the horsepower of the truck. But the K27 and the Aggressor 60/64 are both great options for towing!
How about 025 delivery valves, 150 hp injectors, 4k governor springs and 21 degrees of timing. Stock head, stock cam. What would work best? Daily driver, tows rarely.
The 62/65
Your opinion on compound turbos aurora 3000 and 5000 on drive ability and spool and power ?? Cummins 03 common rail
What timing was the truck set to??
18 degrees. I should have mentioned that!
Wish you'd test a fleese cheeta
We have and they are great for what they are designed for which is a max effort turbo. I didn’t love its street manners which is why we made our version different and much more street friendly.
What was the timing at for degrees?
18*
Are the valve springs and pushrods all stock?
No 60lb push rods stock push rods
What timing were you guys running for this?
18*
How about an S257SXE comparison?
We played with a couple 257sxe turbos in the past, they would be great for a 5.9 12v Cummins tow truck in stop and go traffic if you lived and operated at 9000' elevation. Otherwise they spooled quick and choked earlier than the stock Holset.
@@pddofficial thanks for the feedback, the S257 is required in our tractor pull class. Always looking for ways to make it better.
i am on a quest for the best mpg in my 97 180 pump service truck shes mostly stock except mild trans and 4k gsk 4 inch turbo back got right much weight in the bed and shes getting a little lazy and i havent even added my compressor or generator yet
What size exhaust housing on the 62/65?
.70
Fewer valves doesn’t bottleneck your performance?
That is an ongoing debate here for sure. 4 valve heads flow way better at lower lifts then stall out quick. 2 valve heads just keep picking up flow with lift. Both can be made to work well but probably easier with the 4 valve heads
Towing simulations or tests. Going fast is fun but earning money allows the fun.
I'd like to see extreme heavy towing from 1100 rpm on up
The only time you should see 1100 is take off, it ain't class 8
You said it. No one pulls in this RPM. So most of this data doesn't apply. Then why not look at the torque as its in those drive ability ranges. Ill take torque down low & early every time over hp. HP #'s mean nothing to me. I never hit those RPMs. But i do want better power how I use it.
You're doing it wrong then, it ain't cheap spec volvo
1000rpm difference in spool for 50 more hp at the higher rpm? seems like a win to me
It would seem that way until you actually drive the two particularly if it’s a stick truck. In that 1250rpm to 1750 rpm range my 57mm s300g has instantly available about 160hp. The sxe362 in the same range only makes about 100hp. That difference is blatantly obvious when taking off from a traffic light or cruising thru the neighborhood a situation I find myself in a lot higher percentage of the time than flat foot airing it out
@@bcbloc02 powerband is fixed with gearing, that includes tyres :)
@@J3n555 yep can always run 4:88 and do 2500 rpm launches at every traffic light. Hard on fuel clutches and tires but great for smiles!!! 😎 it is nice we have options 😈
Why does everything have to be argued. Hoe bout we all get along and do what we think is best for ourbown needs. Good job Todd we need more than just banks and there pocket fulls of bought out money. Yea 2012 was the beginingg if i remember it all changed. Conttol control
Saying the s300 is more robust than a holset turbo is actually insane
He is correct on it though
I'm pretty sure s300s are tougher. I ordered s300 63/68 with 9cm housing and dude who builds them gives warranty on that combo, roided 9cm hx has a bunch of don't exceed 40 psi disclaimers & no warranty on it
MOD it nowww. Please ☺️
Tow Truck .That's what We do with them.
Hey guys find me a good reliable single cab for 7500.00 you can do it I know you can. Lol then hook it up for me. Lol I need a water hauler
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