When I was a kid, my neighbour Arthur had a modular synth that took up most of a wall in his living room. And when I got a drum kit, they used to listen through the wall when I played. So lucky that I had good neighbours.
Maintenance is a big part of the process but also part of the love. There is a reason classic car owner spend time wrenching. These old machines require extra love that a modern day synth wouldn't. The soldering iron should be the 2nd best instrument you play. In the end your tracks will have that classic sound you are looking for.
What's interesting to me is every one of the other reasons given in this video (especially reason#2 Maintainence) amplifies Reason#1: they're EXPENSIVE!
Nice video concept. To echo one of your points, one of my most enjoyable moments with vintage synths was selling a stack of them. They're wonderful, inspiring things but you need to be able to prove to yourself that they don't own you. I spoke to Brad Fiedel a while back and he had just about everything at one point. He now just owns a piano. I love that.
I (too) sell, or trade, everything that doesn't get used on a regular basis, in my own music. I'm not more stronger attached to it than that. ;-) Nice story about Fiedel, if that works for him (and I assume it does) then awesome! I was just saying to Anders the other day that I would get rid of everything and just get a piano myself, if I could make a good living from song-writing alone, but the world has changed. You can't make a (good) living from solely writing pop songs anymore. Pop music as I grew up with, and love, is dead. Sorry to admit it. ;-)
@@EspenKraft For sure, music is worthless now. It's ubiquitous and easy for anyone to make and release. In fact, writing music in general is changing and the bottom is falling out of everything. First album sales and streaming and now music for media is moving almost totally online where royalties don't exist (or are fractions of a fraction of a penny). Shame. The down side of the internet. Synths - yep, if it's not in use then no need to pretend that it needs to stay. Especially when it takes up precious space.
Reason #7. Companies are now making analog synthesizers that sound very impressive and should be dependable for quite a long time. Many have made improvements on retired popular synths that make those much more dependable and playable than they were back in the day. For example.. Moog Model D Reissue.
I would never go back to my SH-101 after playing around with the MS-1. The same sounds and workflow at a fraction of the price and far, far more reliable.
Interesting to see MS-1 working in 15-20 years. I don’t think there is enough data to judge current synths reliability. On the other hand, with Behringer prices you can replace synth every year or so :)
@@serhiymarchenko8361 That's fair, and I obviously can't tell how the electronics well hold up, but having owned both new, I can say for sure the MS-1 feels much more solid out of the box.
Sadly the main company in the space you describe has deeply questionable business practices, and goes after journalists. As was pointed out, we also don't know how long those products will last. I'll stick with the vintage.
If money is no object it’s awesome to own a collection of the masterful workmanship of vintage classic musical instruments since they’re as important as paintings or a car collection. I was lucky to meet such a man with a net worth upwards of $100 million. He has a massive synthesizer room in his Beverly Hills mansion with very hard to get synthesizers such as a Yamaha DX1, CS80, modulars, wurlitzers, 1960s Hammonds etc. He told me he began collecting in the 60’s and stopped in the 90’s because sampling took over. He spent over $200,000 throughout the years and his collection is now valued at $1 million. He has a synth museum. He’s in his 70’s and very proud of his collection
The word "collection" and synths is dangerous combination. It usually means that no music is made. At all. Show me the music made by this man. If the synths just sit there unused, he don't deserve them. Synths are tools, meant to be played. Just like cars are meant to be driven.
And Reason 7: Your wife 😅 I am maybe at the top of the point she is getting nervous. I dont know how i managed putting almost half of the so called „bedroom“ full with gear. And she is ok with it! What a wonderful woman.
😂 I can relate and thousands of others certainly can as well. There's this meme where the wife says something like "Oh, now you have a new synth you can sell one of the old ones, can't you?"
I totally agree on the price reason. Prices on EBay/Reverb have skyrocketed in the last two years. Even the low end and not-so-vintage vintage gear is going for crazy money now. Also it's definitely a labor of love to own and maintain any vintage gear. I've had to learn soldering/de-soldering, battery/pot/lcd/eprom replacement, recapping, and "red glue" removal, among other things. It always seems to come down to money or time to keep things running. I find it worthwhile but for sure it's not for the faint of heart (or wallet). In the end whether you are in it for collecting or playing, as long as it brings you happiness, go for it.
I'm in your exact same position. I learned to do minor repairs and maintenance to keep gear running (hopefully) for years. With that said I have in front of me a list of 21 things to do to my gear (recapping power supply for gear older than 25 years, changing screen backlights, changing internal batteries, getting RAM or Memories, changing tact switches for buttons, etc.)
Absolutely spot on! Reason number 6 made me laugh out loud. You're right about the cables. Lots and lots of cables. And power strips. And stands. And some of the vintage boards are really heavy. But I love them all.
There's a certain joy to adding a new/old synth to the collection but that joy fades unless it really adds to my music creation ability. It's so tempting to go grab synths because they're for sale locally but I know I probably won't ever use most of them!
Yes, that does happen. When it fades or the workflow becomes too much of a drag you start selling stuff. I've bought and sold over the years but there's also a few things I can never let go of, at least not yet.
Now in my late 50's I get quite excited to see vintage synths, that I grew up with in the 80's Only have one synth and a controller, for now, limited on space...
@@chrismurphy9750 haha, I am going that route now... and yes, its exactly because of the vintage gear, which multiplied explosively in the last years. This stuff really takes space
"Depending on where you live, finding a synth tech may be difficult." This is my biggest hurdle. Forget synth techs, there's not even someone who repairs electronics anywhere near me. Obtaining spares is another major issue. There is no store I can walk into and buy things like capacitors or resistors off the shelf.
I'm incredibly fortunate in this regard: I live almost directly between the Syntaur office (parts) and SwitchedOn (repairs), but I remember a time when this was absolutely the biggest problem.
Yeah, repairs is a big issue. This old gear can quickly become a money pit. I do my own basic repairs like changing tact switches, caps, screens, etc. But my biggest worry is when a specialty chip goes out and you're stuck with a synth for parts. I've sold some vintage synths for that reason and used the funds to purchase new analog synths that will last for years. It's crazy how some people will still buy an old Prophet 5 when you can buy a new Prophet 5. But to each their own.
There's a reason for that. Most tech is so cheap these days, that very few people find a reason to repair than buy new - the reason SHOULD in reality be sustainability, but people usually chose money first - and here's a fun fact for you, as a former Electronics Repair Tech, and an electronics Enthusiast - people have gotten this idea that if they LET me REPAIR their stuff, it's somehow a favor they do me, and don't realize this takes ton's of time, and since it's not my stuff in the end - I get very little out of it if I don't get enough to cover the free time I put into it. Experience + time is worth money, most plumbers love their job too, but they wouldn't fix your toilet just because of a pretty face and a kiss :)
@@TommyHelgevold I find it helps to take a deposit before commencing work. Also, people who use their gear are much more grateful than those who hoard it. I have found working on vintage electronics can be quite profitable, but you need to get the money part of the conversation out of the way up front, to set expectations straight.
That ship has sailed, Esben underestimate the popularity of his channel. I've personally withnessed the exact stuff he reviews EXPLODE in Sweden in the Second-Hand market the minute he said something good about it :)
5 reasons why you should get one. 1. Analog is realtime, no delay, hands on you can do fast movements that just don't feel or sound natural on the PC (especially when you get in the zone and you are jamming). 2. Old synths sometime are a bit scratchy, dirty pots, components can be jank. Can give you nice characteristics. If you are too perfect your music will be played in an elevator. 3. no midi can be interesting. Once i had an analog drum machine that output spikes of voltage when the pads were hit. I tapped that right into a modular, iiinnsaaane. On that note it's much more hackable(vs a digital keyboard) 4. You get addicted. it's better to be addicted to this than magic the gathering. We all have our vice. 5. It good to have at least 1 piece of gear from the past and apperciate how we got from point a to point b. 6. Have one piece of gear you have for a lifetime and pass down to your children or nephew/neices. create history and survive through it in what you share with others.
The best music I've ever written was on an ensoniq sd-1 synth with a built in 12 track sequencer. I mastered that synth and so programming it was easy. I bought the arp 2600, the minimoog and others and found myself lost in trying to get it all to work efficiently. Since space is limited I now do everything inside my computer. Owning more synths just complicated the writing process for me. I went back to a simple setup and my writing returned. I realized that production wasn't my strong suit but songwriting was. I do love those old fat sounds though.
My first synth was an ensoniq esq 1 and I liked it but it broke down after a little over a year. The place I bought it at did not do any repairs and I ended up with buying a Korg T3 that lasted a long time. In fact it might still be usable but I have not had it out of its case in a long time. I usually write with my Yamaha Motif and use samples from sample tank and east west to give me a variety of different sounds. I then record into my motif sequencer and then transfer it all into Reaper and then finally Ableton to record vocals.It's a bit complicated but I'm used to doing it that way and it all works out okay.
Good points, all. I was expecting maintenance to be high on the list. I have had to do repairs on a D-70, Juno-106, QSR, MSB+, power supplies for vintage A&H boards, etc. You can't find people to work on them so that's a drawback. I just threw out a Crown DC300 because I am not comfortable working on gear with a failure mode that can put line voltage on your speakers. Good video, thanks. Oh... some of the classics have rack versions which can save you space, if that's a concern.
I've gone round in circles with vintage gear. Used to have exclusively old stuff, got annoyed with stuff not working and went all modern, and now I have mostly vintage gear again! The sound/user experience wins for me, I'll just live with the quirks. The gear is more expensive now than it was 10 years ago though, sadly! And I've never stopped making music :)
Regarding dry sounds--that is what I LOVE about old synths. These days you turn on a synth and you're inundated with tons of reverb, delay and God knows what else. The simplicity of turning on a synth and not having that is great because you really get to know the sound of the unit and you can always apply fx in your DAW if you want.
Most of software VST synths nowadays follow this simplicity model. For example, such freeware synths as Rocket Punch by Hello Robot (it is extremely funny!), Viking VK-1, Korg Mono/Poly from Full Bucket Music and many, many others. They sound very dry and gritty.
The FIRST thing I used to do back in the early '90s when listing to a new synth in a music shop was to figure out how to bypass the internal fx, so as not to be "fooled" by the luster of reverb, chorus, delay, etc. I wanted to hear what the actual synth itself could do! (I remember loving that the Yamaha SY77 was the first to have a dedicated fx bypass button, and that's still one of the best synths ever...)
Totally agree, but I can also understand people being disappointed by the dry sounds. I felt that way about my old Korg Delta the first time I turned it one. Oops.
I know! I have such trouble trying to figure out how to turn off the effects! Tbh my first problem is trying to figure out how to turn it on, I usually never get past that point.
@@ShallRemainUnknown exactly. This was my issue with the Behringer Deepmind, I felt like when you turn off all the effects the raw sound wasn't very impressive or interesting. Of course I've heard great music made on a Deepmind but I couldn't connect to it for this reason.
That’s 6 reasons why you should buy vintage gear Espen. 😃. Sadly due to money troubles a few years back I had to sell my meagre collection and only recently bought another ‘vintage’ Sy77. For me the feel of the instrument in hardware form is something plugins and VST’s can never emulate
I've replaced several of my 1980s synths, and one from the early 70s, with software VST's. And for the record, i'm very happy I did. Most of my vintage synths I still live in storage as I find the software versions the ones I prefer to work with. Actually playing them, the hardware classics are more fun to see and touch, but software can replicate the sound, and offer many advantages.
I once owned two SY77s and an SY99 and a DX5 and a TX816 and I sold them all for peanuts 😬 (as well as a DX7 classic, DX7S, DX21, DX11, TX81Z ) ... I quite like FM 🤣
You can see why the likes of Chris Lowe from Pet Shop Boys used samplers instead of synths. You don't have to carry large synths around on tour and you have all the sounds in one.
Hi Michael, looking at old Prodigy live shows it seems Liam Howlett did the same. I had no idea until seeing this footage. I dunno what keyboards he used but you can see stacks of floppy disks beside him which I assume contained his entire set of samples.
Great video espen. I used to have a moog source & korg poly 61m, (sold both) still have a polymoog which I got repaired but still plays up now & again and thankfully a working arp solina. A struggle to get someone to fix them to work & expensive . I would today stick to vst or plug in versions if you can.
The speculation on some vintage classics as junos, Jupiters etc has made the prices so unfair and detached from the real values. Therefore the first reason and the last one now coincide. They are expensive because of the compulsive collectors. And that’s why Behringer now exists and flourish
@@dannydaniel1234 after all minimoog was already expensive and today it keeps his original value. What drives me crazy is the price of low cost gear which now are immotivately untouchable. Like Roland TB303 which was released at less than 400 bucks and now costs 5 times the original price.
@@FabrizioDeSerio I love what Behringer is doing. They are the only company that actually listens to what customers want and thats analog synths that wont break the bank!
Maybe one day... Watching ur videos has inspired me to invest in a cheap midi keyboard from ebay, Ableton Lite, TAL Sampler and your Digital Collection Vol. 1 - loads of vintage synth fun for less than $150 🎹😊
After having a Jupiter 6, Pro 1, PolySix, JP-8000, OB-12, D-50 along with a TR-808, TR-707 and a TR-606 then over time replacing them with the Jupiter-X and RD-8 I am more than happy, although I wish that I would have kept the Pro1.
With a little bit of creativity and a cheap multi-effects processor you can get very nice sounds from even the cheapest portable keyboards. For the price of ONE well-known vintage synth you might probably get two or three of those machines. Before buying, just make sure that it has AT LEAST an audio/headphone output...and hopefully (if built after the year 1982) MIDI as well. Or what about an old electric organ for a change? You might even get one for FREE because they are heavy to carry around and people very often just want to get rid of them...even in totally mint condition.
In my opinion, the worst thing about repairing vintage synths is finding replacement parts. Many of the parts are no longer available, and have no viable substitutes. Also, some manufacturers never released proper detailed schematics and technical documentation for their synths, and are now out of business. The detailed information required to efficiently repair those vintage synths evaporated along with the company. Yes, I'm looking at you, "Ghost of Ensoniq's Past"! 😉
Thanks, you are so right. Exactly the reason why i bought Some cheaper behringers, they sound good enough, i am enjoying making music instead of collected synths.
I sold all(too much to list here) of my vintage gear a while ago for nothing. It was too much to maintain and I didn't have much $. I tried to restart in the early 2000's with a Super JX and a SH-32, but I ended up selling those as well. The convenience of a DAW like FL or Ableton is just too strong. I hope that some of you chasing the vintage rabbit hole will fall in love with a VST and not expect it to recreate a bygone era. I absolutely fell in love with Spire in 2014 and still love the character and personality it exudes. I love a few other VST instruments, but the important thing to remember is that a VST will never recreate hardware exactly(nor should it). Just appreciate them for what they are and their capabilities that are far beyond vintage gear. You just have to find one that clicks for you and write some magnificent songs with it. FYI, nothing from a computer will ever come close to the way my MiniMoog sounded. NOTHING...
Summary: man with a whole bunch of vintage gear (and a Commodore 64) explains why you shouldn't buy vintage gear. 🙂 You're absolutely right, of course. Collecting is fun, and a whole lot easier than actually making music. I'm still thinking what to do with the Crumar Bit 99 that I found (including the original leather bag, with Bit 99 logo). I could make a decent profit on it, and it's actually not that interesting a synth. Pretty rare, yes, but also big. Shipping is going to be a killer, though.
Interesting comments on being focused on gear and losing sight of the music one can create. Collecting and accumulating gear also applies to modern devices and equipment. I have seen this with a couple of audiophiles I know. They have become more interested in the gear and sound and forgotten about the music. One got to the stage of purchasing $400 cables to connect his speakers. I certainly could not tell the difference I sound between his $50 cables and the $400 cables. The music became secondary to the sound system. Also switched from a solid state amplifier to a vacuum tube amplifier where the tubes alone cost $1500 per pair. There is certainly a trap with buying equipment purely for accumulating gear.
I'm with you lol. People with a lot of expendable cash reach the plateaus that all musicians face, but instead of working through it, they think buying a new piece of gear will take them to the next level. Then a lot of times give up. Gotta disagree a little about the guitar amp part, though. Been playing guitar for 15+ years and my mind was blown the first time I played a real tube amp like a Vox AC30 or Fender Blues Jr with good settings, because I always thought it was just people being nostalgic. Solid state amps can get decent, but can never replicate the dynamics of tubes. A tube amp sounds slightly different every time you hit the string. It's like the difference between playing on a $100 casio electric keyboard vs a Rhodes imo. I'd say most guitarists' bigger problem is buying a $2000 guitar and pair it with one of those giant ass solid state combos because it has a cool LED screen and looks like a good deal (cuz big watts is better). I'm more of a keyboardist nowadays, but my amp cost 4 times as much as my standard Strat from 2006 and I would never make a different decision. But also, if you're specifically talking about those crazy boutique vintage amps with $1500 tubes, I agree that's quite a questionable investment unless you're John Mayer or something haha
@@asiagobagel8293 good points. Instead of accumulating dozens of guitars or one class of instrument, i find it more beneficial musically to buy different types of musical instruments. Buying a mandolin or banjo or sitar and working through how to play these new instruments is a great way to develop your musical skills. A friend completed a post graduate degree in music and the main requirement in the course was competency in 20 different musical instruments. A minimum score of 95% for each chosen instrument was needed in order to be awarded the degree. Most of the candidates in this course knew how to play brass and wind instruments as well as stringed instruments and percussion. Cheers
I totally agree with your opinion. In fact, a number of composers in Japan have turned into collectors and disappeared from the front stage of the music industry. On the other hand, most successful composers working at the forefront of the music industry today use only soft synths. Their musical instruments are MacPros and USB-MIDI keyboards. However, collectors are important patrons who support the music industry. I respect their financial power.
You are so right. :-) I have a knack for synths of the end of 90s/early 2000s era, and yes, one day they'll fail, too - and in this "throw stuff away after 2 years of use" time we live in, skilled repair technicians are hard to find. And I definitely couldn't do that on my own.
I buy vintage affordable gear , not the most wanted, usualy not working, I fix them, sometimes it takes me so long... i think they are limited, and difficoult to program, but to me , learn to use those gear is very inspiring, every gear is different and going aroud to the limitations helps me to not get stuck in a circle of the same music.
Great points ! I'd add another 7th reason : 'Don't believe the hype'. Actually most of the sounds (if not all) you could get from 'vintage' synths can be reproduced in modern synths in a virtually identical way. Sorry vintage lovers, but it's just the truth :-p
I used to own a lot of vintage synths and drum machines. You’re completely correct, in today’s market there are lots of equally capable, far cheaper and more reliable synths. No reason to buy vintage unless you’re a collector, and if so good luck to you!
None are truly perfect - sometimes they sound 'too clean' to the point you know its software. Sometimes you just cant get the same resonance response you hear on a recording. Not to mention all the other variables at play, a lot of effects and processing, often analog themselves can drastically alter the sound. In fact external processing might be the most important part to tweaking synths to get the right vibe. But we're starting to see software that are really getting close now. Obsession, J8, Legend, Model 84, OB-E to name a few recent standouts.
@@danield_sounds while that maybe so, a lot of people seam to realize that that's not really the point... The "can't hear it in the mix" argument is by far the argument that pisses me the most. It's not so much about what other people or even you as a musician will hear in the final mix, but rather the whole process of getting there, playing the parts and what inspires you. If actually playing the parts in a vintage instrument is what inspires you the most and get the most out of your playing than it's worth it, weather you notice the difference in the final mix of the song or not. It's not just about an "end result" but the "whole process" of getting there. I respect however that it may not be relevant to some.
All exceedingly valid reasons Mr. Espen! I would also add that asides from the cost of maintenance/ need for repairs, some vintage synths use unique/ custom chips that are no longer available and have been out of production for years. This means that even though a skilled technician has the ability to physically replace all the parts, unless those replacement parts can actually be found, the synth will remain broken. I'd also add a reason 7 - a good number of vintage synths are now being remanufactured/ cloned and are available new. Putting aside the argument about them not sounding exactly identical (many originals didn't sound exactly identical to each other either!) or the "ethics" of the companies making them, they are close enough and much more affordable to make them worthwhile alternatives. Some are also available in smaller form factors or as desktop modules, and that can help those with limited space. Looking forward to part 2!
Very clever video full of thruth. On my side, beside the increasing prices problem obvioulsy, the maintenance is the main obstacle. I live in the countryside, far from big cities, and even finding someone to do a simple recaping is an issue.
I wonder if part of the reason demand is increasing is because peoples' old synths are breaking down and they want to replace them. Vintage analog does seem to be getting more popular, but the amount of people replacing what they already had could be significant.
Maintenance and reliability are the main reasons I don't have any vintage gear. I'm glad I sold my JX-8P when it was working perfectly. If I had kept it for another 4-5 years. it would surely have broken down. Then I would have had to either pay someone to fix it, or sell it for almost nothing as a defective unit. When it comes to the last reason, the same can happen with modern synths and even with software. Lots of people just hoard plugins, looking for that "magic" plugin that will inspire them to actually finish a song.
Agree! Especially the maintenance part. I have a person who does all my Moog service. That is usually hundreds of dollars for each visit. Only one of my vintage units has patch memory. The patch that sounded great yesterday, likely will not sound the same tomorrow, and there is no way to get it back. Like painters who make their own pigments, the sounds of most vintage units are unique to a single moment of time. Record what you like, because it will never be here again.
OMG. Reason #4 and #5 got me. I have owned sooooooooooooooo much gear and thought to myself..."gee. This takes up a lot of room and is a pain in the ass to move." I love vintage synths but went the minimalist route. Great video :D
Nice Video! As I found a CD yesterday with photos from 20 years ago I noticed again that with less gear - especially as a beginner in this topic - I was most creative. I even started with a usb synth on a old ironing board - not joking. Another reason is that I spend hours and hours on eBay looking for a good catch and as you said - not making music that time. I am now happy with a new audio computer, two HS-7, a SY77 wich i ordered a new display last week (sadly seems lost in shipping) the SY22 (wich I use most because it doesnt has that high pitch noise as SY77), and bought now a JV-2080 with 3 Exp Boards Vintage Synths, and a new Monitor arriving today. From California are on its way many patch Floppies for SY77. So after 1 1/2 year beginning with synths and being inspired by your channel, trying 80s music and 80s film music, my new goal and vision is to use that many presets and options to transform on these synths I now have, stack these synths - which I like most, learn theorie, and make music instead of being stuck on ebay notifications (and heavy smartphone use) for the best buy.. oh and I noticed personaly for me that with somebody beside I am more creative. But I learned esp for 80s music not to expect much attention for that synth sounds because many friends such dont like that raw sounds. They dont feel that wow when hearing an FM Synthesis Brass and so on. Thats to keep in mind and dont be offended when as a beginner spent hours on recording tracks :-)
All good points. A big challenge with collecting aging electronics is that they're basically slowly self destructing in whole or in part. Capacitors leaking, plastics becoming brittle, rubber turning to goo, displays fading, etc. In many ways it's like old car collecting where you need to be ready for the work to maintain your collection as well as the play. Also, about the sound of old synths, I remember back in the 80s the third piece of equipment my musician brother bought after his CZ-1000 and a 4-track recorder was a reverb / effects rack unit. It made all the difference in the sound of his compositions. Looking forward to reasons why to buy a vintage synth video!
OH SNAP! Is that Dead Or Alive posters in the background!!?!??! THOSE WERE SOME OF MY MOST FAVORITE JAMS BACK IN THE 80s!! You, SIR, are a man of taste indeed!
Totally agree. I grew up in the 80's and had (and played) a lot of synths and they were great, but modern synths are evolutions of those machines: they are more affordable and reliable and they have much more possibilities. Thinking about connecting a synth to the computer using only a USB cable and start making music with no latency or any other problem, is like magic when you go back to the 80's and 90's.With my band we started using a C-64 as a drum machine and it was fun, but that was because we didn't have other options, or at least, any affordable option for 15 years old teenagers, so our creativity was pushed all the time. We had concerts and connecting all the synths was a challenge, always crossing our fingers and having backing tracks on a mini disc in case something went wrong. I still have an Emax II, in perfect conditions with the original box and manual, but I am gonna use it today? No way.... is a tank. I can do the same and more with the Arturia Emulator II VST, sitting on my computer drinking coffee, editing samples on a huge screen.So for people who didn't have the chance to play with vintage synths or live during that era, I understand it is a temptation buying those legendary machines, but they're not better than modern synths. A Jupiter 8 sound maybe can't be replicated by any other digital synth like the Jupiter X (I have one and I love it), but in the mix who will notice that is not an original Jupiter 8? If the track is good, nobody will pay attention to single instruments. The most important thing is to make music. Today most of us, in our home, have more power, hardware and sounds possibilities thank Kraftwerk had in the 70's or Depeche Mode in the 80's and what are we doing? Buying more and more and letting the machines collect dust, or taking photos for likes in social media? I almost fell into the trap. I started buying hardware a couple of years ago and I realized that when I only had Reason and the Arturia V Collection, I was making one or two tracks per week, and after starting buying hardware again, maybe I was making a new track every month or so. And why did this happen? Probably I got distracted buying synths and watching videos about more synths, and of course I wanted more. Not vintage because I don't want to deal with problems and I'm a geek and I always loved technology (that's why I wanted synths when I was a kid, and not a piano :P), but I was in the hoarding stage. Luckily I realized it in time and I stopped buying hardware and going back to make music. I have a dozen synths of course, but when I make music, I try to use at least one patch of each, and not only is it fun, but also I'm pushing my creativity again, because at then end, if we like synths is because of music, right? Let's focus on that ;)
Spot on - felt into the same trap, then sold a lot of synths and never looked back. As a gearhead I still buy new synths, but now my focus is more on a good GUI and if I can create a Sound fast, also Preset Management is very important for me.
@@Iceleben Yeah I think today we are lucky to have so many modern evolutions of those vintage synth, more affordable, fast, small footprint and versatile. Dealing with old things is for a collector or a museum. As musicians we are looking for sounds and doesn't matter if it comes from an old or a modern instrument. Is like drawing with a modern pencil or a 40 years old one. Who cares if the result is good?
This is a great and important video. Maintenance is the most neglected part. Not only in money but also in ‘waisting’ time on repairing machines. All just to keep that specific sound in your setup.
Just like you Esben, I'm an 80's child and as we grew up with those, we have a natural attraction towards what made us feel like the world was ours, the power of those synths were expensive yes, and many of us could not afford more than ONE, perhaps on the lower end of the scale back then, and only dreamed of Synths like Moog, Oberheim, Fairlights etc. I did deliver newspapers like crazy to get my Yamaha DX7 back in the days, but the memories alone was worth it. Would I get one today? Probably not - I did get a Roland D50, because unlike Yamaha DX 7, this thing had a LOT more sound in it, instead of just that FM sound (which BTW I also love, hence why I have a Yamaha Montage today, but modern synths spoils us to no end, the montage is like having 16 DX 7 synths-in-one with a more complex FMX synth in it with morphing and deep learning just to make it even more fun to create and come up with new sound). And that brings us to the crux of it all doesn't it? New/Old sound - that hunt for that SPECIAL sound that make it ours. I'm a former service technician so in that regards I'm just like you, terribly lucky and can pick up an older broken synth and usually fix it at low costs, depends on youtube reviewers, because if someone famous falls in love with an old classic - it immediately explodes in price - everywhere. So it's best to look at "what you want" in a synthersizer, even if it's from the 80's and not WHAT is popular because someone famous falls in love with it right now. Why do I love synths? That's the easiest question in the world to answer - I like to be able to play RIGHT when the MOOD strikes. I don't want to boot up a DAW system, and fiddle around endlessly on screen, I like to play LIVE, and just hit record and go from there. When the moment hits, the synths better be ready before my "buzz" is all gone. Even though I have some old synths, Roland D50, Roland RA50, and recently an FM based organ called Yamaha Electone HS6 (which is fully programmable btw, with aftertouch keybeds and all) - my Yamaha Montage (or Roland Fantom, Korg Kronos for those who have those) they are all Smashing good synths that can totally put a collection of 40+ synths to shame if you just learn to work the menues of these beasts, I've had my Montage for a year now, and STILL don't know more than perhaps 1-2% of what it can do, it's crazy powerful with 256 Polyphony (128 of then which are FM-X) and a TON of filters with equally crazy many menues. I like the fact it's almost instantly on, and the possibilities are endless. Do I envy your synth collection? Not at all - but I do envy your SKILLS and music talent which is FAR beyond that of mine, and I love watching you lovingly present us your next Synth project from the 80 to 90's. They are indeed worthy of a prolonged life in the right hands with love! Thanks again for your lovely videos - I'll watch them untill you stop, or if I die first, we'll see :)
Had one of those music gear collector types for a customer when I worked in a music shop. My day lit up anytime he appeared! Bought dozens of synths and modules but he never finished a single tune.
Dear Mr Kraft, I completely empathize with this video. As another person with a giant mountain of gear, I can honestly say I no longer really have G.A.S. anymore and are whittling down my studio. Thankfully most gear in my studio was bought broken and I took the time to repair and bring it back. DIY isn't a sterling solution for newbies unless you've got a lot of experience under your belt in fixing synths. But learning does save a lot of money, It can also result in permanantly killing a nice keyboard (I've got a dead board in my studio because of this).. As always I have my goto synths I like to use and will always want to update my interface to something better, but as it is my studio is pretty much done and I spend a lot of time tinkering and getting melodies I like. I encourage people to buy Behringer, DSI/Sequential, Access because They're mega simple to service and you get a pretty decent synth out of the box. The computer is one of the best tools to pair with a vintage synth and it can truely be magical when it doesn't do much on its own. Thank you for sharing the video and Cheers from Texas.
Nice man. I think that there are some vintage synths that are not so expensive. Yes it is true the thing of the space and other things that could be complicated but I would recommend some 80s and 90s synths. They are not so old and some have really nice sounds. The sinths of the 70s are really big. But it is true that you can get really nice sounds on the new tiny versions of vintage sinths. Cheers man!
Unfortunately I just bought a D50 the other day... too late (and an SY99 recently that I haven't yet received.) Well, ok, I'd already accumulated 10-15 rack modules! I'm hooked now, and I love them all, but if I'd known how many days of my life I'd spend configuring and reconfiguring the whole lot of them and just staring blankly at half completed builds for hours wondering how to proceed and what to SPEND MORE MONEY ON.... Yeah, I'd do it again. It's boring in the box. To me. But it's convenient, I could easily have stayed there, and for most people I would probably recommend doing just that!
@@maccagrabme Tell me about it! I managed to get this Roland from a big store with a return policy, but they supposedly tested it and then failed to include the power cable... very fishy! Today the cable arrived and I was frankly amazed to find it works without a fault. Big sigh of relief! I could barely function over the weekend waiting to find out.
Hi Espen, you make some really great points on the pros and cons of vintage synths. On the point though about them being dry, I actually love that vintage (or modern analog) sounds great without lots of chorus and reverb. I've owned some great vintage synths over the years, Roland System 100 with the expander 102 module, 16 step analog sequencer and even the mixer and speakers. That one took up a lot of space and was expensive for a 2 VCO, 2 Filter and ADSR setup. It never broke down on me but I couldn't afford to have it serviced, so I sold it. Other favs were Oberheim Matrix 1000, which I think is underrated. I've also owned a Juno 106, which had the typical filter chip problems, but I loved that synth. I thought it sounded pretty thin but it always seemed to sound great in the mix no matter what you did with it. I couldn't afford to fix it, so I sold it (yes I regret that I sold it now!). So easy to program, had a decent amount of memory for patches and was affordable (not any more!). I've also owned a Roland JX8P which for some reason I never really liked even though I had the PG800 programmer as well. Other find memories of past girlfriends (oh I meant synths) were an old Yamaha DX7II that I picked up for nothing and a great drum machine the Casio Rz-1. I would've kept that if it has a little more sampling time! I only have modern analog now (other than an old Cheetah MS6 which needs a date with the synth doctor) and of course VSTs. You always remember your first love(s) though!
Depending upon how "vintage" we are talking, but multi-timbral was not a feature of early synths. That was always a problem for me when I wasn't able to record separate audio tracks (oh the days of recording with 2 stereo cassette decks).
You pretty much summarize why I don’t buy vintage synths. I also think that nostalgia is a big factor for why people pay so much for vintage gear. It explains why some people pay 20K for a Jupiter 8 while others say that 2.5K for an Arturia Polybrute is way too expensive. In the 90s and early 2000s people had no choice to buy vintage gear if they wanted analog synths but nowadays there are very good modern analog synths on the market and it baffles me to see how popular vintage gear is.
Hi Espen. A great video. You however forgot the most important reason of all: If you negate all the obstacles you mention and even keep making fresh new music you will find out that people are not at all interested in your creative output but only want to drool over your gear. "Yes, yes, I've got a Fairlight CS 5000 Superprophet but how do you like the new masterpiece I recorded with it?" ........... (insert the sounds of a desert wind and dried tumbleweed rolling by).
Thanks Marc. Some truth to that. I started this channel with uploading only music. Music I made with some of this gear. No views, no comments. Then I started making gear reviews and tutorials and made the same music, showing the gear. Lots of views and comments. :P
@@EspenKraft Hi Espen, Yeah, It always helps to drum up some interest, so maybe it is not a true disadvantage, but sooner or later it then starts to iritate again that peoples attention still does not goes further. Speaking of which: You can find my latest project(s) here: www.brassee.com/electronicmusic.html. More experimental then 80ties pop but straight from the heart all the same. Have a nice weekend. :-)
@@EspenKraft PS: An example. Last year I was asked to contribute to an Italian proejct. Oh, and they did of coure not have any budget to pay me. In the end it turned out they where only interested in getting a real CS80 in. I actually did some difficult maintenance (full power supply recapping) and handed in my session just in time for a rather tight deadline. Initially everything seemd to be accepted with enthousiasm but then they suddenly started to complain that I had not strictly followed the guide tracks, in spite of me having said in advance that I would only be interested if I could put in my own 2 cents. I gues the original composer of the song had protested. When I told them to use what I had done or take a hike they suddenly started to complain about imperfect tuning and non quantised timing. It's a CS80 for God's sake! These guys probably do not even know what a CS80 actually does beyond it being the one on "that Blade Runner theme". In the end I just forbade then to use anything at all. I'd better not check though. BUNCH OF POSERS! Grrrrrr! Ah well, at least I got the long overdue recapping done.
I have 4 synthesizers that I have bought over a period of 57 years. I started in the 70s with my first synth, a Paia 2720 kit. I had to build it and it was very educational. 37 keys, monophonic, basic. I enjoyed that so much I made musical electronics my career. Then in the 90s I bought an Ensoniq ESQ-1. Wow! The sound quality and ease of use was fantastic. I still have it and nothing sounds quite like it. It is a digital wavetable synth with analog filters and amplifiers. Great sounds. Then in like 2005 I bought a Yamaha Motif and a Korg Triton Extreme. Totally digital synths but they have a warm sound. My favorite is probably the Korg. I still have and use all of them. I also have a Roland JV 1010, a half rack size synth module. It has some useful sounds. Now I'm feeling the need to get into Eurorack, mostly the analog stuff. There are so many possibilities, with buying modules from different manufacturers. I am very happy with my vintage synths, and wish I could have afforded an Arp 2600 and a Moog. G.A.S. may compel me to find them. Your reasons to not buy a vintage synth are sound and ring true. I will be interested to watch your 'reasons to buy a vintage synth video' dude.
Your point about “collecting” synths versus “making music” resonates with me. While I only (!!!) have 6 or 7 vintage synths and drum machines, and while I still produce music when I have the time and energy, I barely move beyond their presets. Contrast this to when I was 16 and my only synth was a Boss Dr Synth - I knew every little feature and little tweak to make it sing. I still love picking up old synths when I see them (particularly those from the 80s, when I was a kid), but mine are quickly turning into expensive ornaments these days!
Having to replace the voice chips on my Juno 106 by myself still cost me about the same as many modern synths. The only way to keep costs down on vintage gear is to learn how to solder and some basics in how electronics work. With many brands putting out clones and with how good plugins are now there's little reason to buy vintage outside of collecting.
Great video. But I disagree with two things: “dry sound”. As a player and a collector since the 80’s, I love vintage synths because they DON’T need processing. For me part of the beauty is to tweak up great sounds without the help of effects. And of course you can always add them later. The other “reason” I disagree with, is “logistics”. Not everything needs to have midi or USB. How about just playing it live into an audio track? All of your other points are spot on. From my experience the most unreliable vintage units: Memorymoog, Prophet-5, OBXa, Oberheim FV. The most reliable vintage units I have owned: Jupiter-6, OB8, Super Jupiter & Super Jx, Korg MS20 & 10. Minimoogs need maintenance, but they’re small, easy to fix and worth the effort.
It depends where you're coming from. If you're mostly "just" a player, then the need for effects and processing might be so dire. If you come from a production environment like I (and I made so many records and commercial tracks with what is now considered vintage synths) you had to do a LOT with them to make them sit in a mix. Compression, EQ, chorus, delay and reverb, and then some. I've seen younger guys not knowing what to do with a synth without hooking it up through USB. ;-) I never said I myself like USB, I hate usb. :P And just to make it clear, 80% of all my recordings through the last 30 years has been me playing straight in, as audio. ;-)
A few years ago it was easier to find cheap equipment. Maybe not the Junos and the MS20s anymore but I arrived at the end of the trend and got a few pieces (in my case mainly my 90s dream: samplers). The “thrill of the hunt” got in the way of making music. After a while I had to admit that I was more productive with my software samplers, although I kept two of the hardware ones and focused on “getting patches done” instead of looking for the next piece of gear. “Hunting” kept me so busy that I hardly knew the possibilities of some of my units beyond a quick walkthrough. I do enjoy your channel and your approach very much, and although we’re not in the same path when it comes to music style, your videos and calm approach is always inspiring. I know I’m late to the comments but anyway… Thank you!!!
You are so well on point. A few months ago I decided to start making/recording music again after many years so I decided to add more gear/equipment to my Korg MS 2000 (the only synth I had). So I just recently bought two Yamaha DX7s, Roland A-30 midi controller, Akai MPK midi controller, a CME midi controller, an Audio/MIDI interface and a 10 channel mixer audio just to name a few. And as of today I have not started recording anything. Is a weird addiction (syndrome ?) that I couldn’t help. But I have stop buying synths/equipment but I am still obsessed with searching for synths/equipment in the ads in the internet but at least I’m not buying anything more. It is a weird compulsive buying frenzy that I was able to control quickly. In your video you point out that synths enthusiasts will buy all these vintage synths but not play them. I can very much relate to that 100%. What would you call this kind of behavior ?
I sold all of my vintage Oberheim units (Matrix 6, Matrix 1000, OB-Xk, 2 DPX1s, DMX,) and filled any of the gaps left from those with Dave Smith Instruments / Sequential units and I couldn't be happier. So now I have 8 DSI / Sequential synths that came with warranty, have amazing tech support, have their own built in parameters, effects, updates, and ability to save and load new patches. I had fun with my Oberheim gems but I always had to approach them with finesse and I had to bring something to a tech or order parts from Syntaur at least once a year. Dealing with all of that kept me from being productive and making music.
Very good video, well done! I completely agree. I also would add to the list "Flexibility" ; because many vintage synths are very limited, regarding what you can manage to create (sonically) with them.
"People suddenly getting 30 or 40 vintage synths completely stopped making music." Hey, I feel attacked! ;-) ;-) But seriously, I'm making longer term plans... thinking of building a studio out north of the house as my whole downstairs is just overflowing. Also, nice shirt! ;-)
Outstanding video!! Yes, very true! I actually spend more time adding to my collection than playing the instruments! Sometimes they don't leave the boxes for months. You have greatly inspired me to reassess my situation. Counselling maybe, for the illness?? Moving forward to checking out the rest of your videos. Cheers!!
Love it Espen!! I wish you did this video before all the great videos of synth gear you've done over the years which led me down the path to reason #6!! "Buying your first vintage synth will definitely not be your last..." Amen! That Korg Wave station A/D rack seemed innocent enough at the time... Now I have no room in my basement!
I own a nice mixture of newer and vintage synths. I absolutely love my old gear. Great memories of the glory days and all that business. But I've found that when I'm actually working on something that needs to get done, I almost always use my newer gear. While an SQ-80 has a fantastic lo-fi quality, I can make most of those sounds on my Prophet 12 in a faction of the time, just from the knobby interface and better ergonomics. Same with my TR-626. Love it. But the TR-8S has all those sounds and is easier and quicker to use.
Hi Espen, I agree a hundred percent. I already told myself I’d never but another vintage but often I can’t resist... and after a certain age, you can no longer go after small issues here and there, you want a great sound, period! But it’s a hard to keep decision, also because I already imagine another 6 reasons to BUY a vintage... I’ll check you next 6 reasons video and feel pretty confident I’ll agree to it as well 😃. BTW, thank you for making them !!!
My first keyboard was my Moog Source I bought used with money I saved from a summer paper rout back in 1986. Soon after I bought a PolyMoog, and Ensoniq Mirage and a Korg VC-10 Vocoder. I sold everything but the Moog Source. The Polymoog was just too big, heavy, non-MIDI one-trick pony. The Korg Vocoder would only work if you sang falsetto into the mic so I traded it for a SCI SixTrack. Sold that too. I sold the Mirage to a friend so I could get a new EPS (still have this). Love your videos! Keep it up!
Me to brian during the 80’s & 90’s had a moog source, 808, oberhiem dx, linndrum & sequential drum tracks, korg poly 61 & Casio fZ1 and korg M1. Sold everything due to financial reasons & just couldn’t afford to repair them. The moog & korg 61 would start playing out of tune after about an hour. The drum machines were a pain as sometimes the eprom sockets & pins would get damaged after changing the sounds. The 808 was ok, so was the korg m1, the casio fz1’s buttons would sometimes get stuck.
Greetings Espen. I totally agree with the price aspect, since any vintage synth you find on ebay are already in the break down stage, and you don't know really on a quality level what you will receive if you do decide to pay the exorbitant price for it, unless the add on ebay says it has been serviced or refurbished, but still, the price war for vintage gear is crazy. I bought a Roland Jupiter 6 back in 1984 when they first arrived at the stores for $2,135.00. They are going for 7 grand on ebay at present. All the best for 2022!
Selling the old cs ( also the new ones, 90s virt analog) is a sacrilege 😰 I have only the cs15 but I love it so much.a week ago I played a cs 5 with a tc electronic m350 efx proccesor ,very nice little synth toi
The maintenance thing is definitely a much bigger issue now than it used to be for a lot of the 80s gear. At this point I literally have a notepad keeping a running tally of technical faults to fix when I've got some free time. Another issue is how much vintage gear has previous... um, "repairs" that you need to deal with when you go inside. I've spent a lot of tech time undoing horrific hack jobs on old gear!
Great explanation! What i see in last decade and i spent lot of time watching, a bunch of gear reviewers (synth influencers) reviewing the gear and making blips and bops, no melody, no arrangements. Then No-DAW purists, also without knowing a single scale or sense of melody. Many of them using $$$$$ modular-euroracks without a taste or any musicality, with senseless loops and wow, a filter sweeps, so cool (not). All them fall apart when compared to a musician like Mitch Murder who makes brilliant albums using Korg and Roland soft synths, and not so the latest and most expensive gear. And btw Espen, you are one of few, brilliant composer and a synth professor.
Points 1 & 2 were the main reasons I decided to go for the Roland D-05 Boutique over hunting down a Used D-50. I later discovered that due to its much smaller size that it made a really nice portable synth for playing on my lunch break at work.
I have to admit that i am more a collector than a musician at the moment. Over time i have collected over 50 vintage synths and modules. It's hard to find time to connect and work with them. I am a technician, so keep them in good working order, i do not need to pay a lot, only the components. I am looking forward to see the next video, why you should buy vintage synths😊
Couldn't agree more. I have been buying and selling synths since the late 70s. Love em, but really, unless you bought one a long time ago, and can now sell it for a massive prophet (joke spelling), you're assumptions are spot on. I can't tell you how many (awesome) pieces of gear I've had to get repaired over the years. Also, the earliest ones don't stay in tune well, many don't have presets, and - another serious consideration, they are all MONO. So even if you're not into a lot of effects, you'll never get those awesome phat sounds you're accustom to, from gear, without a lot of outboard processing, etc.......... I loved all my vintage gear (and I had a SHIPLOAD), but times change, and so does our workflow and sonic requirements..... Great video....I'll make some time to check out more of what you've uploaded..... (if you're interested, I've recently been uploading some Virus videos....(the synth, not the international drama)
Spot on Espen! I have a lucky 7th of my own... Try gigging with them!!! I carry 125kg+ of equipment and cases not including amplification. Like you say it’s dry, so I need a tonne of rack gear to support my synths to get the sound I’m after. I’m looking forward to the next instalment!!!
Quality video Sir. As someone who started collecting during the late 80s, service, repairs and maintenance had always been a big issue for me, I felt obliged to keep everything fully operational, all of the time. But, for the last 3yrs I've refused to get my ailing machines repaired, and have instead decided to spend my money on new gear instead, Dreadbox - for their Radiophonic sound, and the Roland ACB stuff is superb IMHO, and often cheaper than what the cost of a vintage repair bill would be... If I wasn't retired, and still earning the money, I wouldn't hesitate to get the old casualties serviced, - but the current alternatives to vintage are every bit, just as good, IMO. The choice available today is staggering, - an MPC, a System-8, TR-8, a few Roland Boutiques, some Doepfer stuff and The Dreadbox Nyx2, Erebus V3 units, cover so much sonic ground, for such little cost, in comparison, I feel investing in 80s and 90s gear is coming to an end, especially as our generation is getting older. Love to ALL, feel no hate
Good idea for a video (and for the follow-up video you describe)! Number 6 is such an important one. There is just something about getting that first vintage synth (although I've had mine since they were new) that makes you want more and forget to use what you have. Synth acquisition syndrome (SAS) spreads with minimal contact.
@@borisangeloffsimeonoff1288 Yes, I was playing on that term, creating a new one specific to synths. I also struggle with term acquisition syndrome (TAS). Thanks for your critical insight, Boris.
Thank you for share your thoughts, It's so useful to be advised for someone who really knows the business before commit. I think the first question you need to ask yourself is: why digital synths have become so popular?. The answer is very simple: you can save time, money and a lot of issues proper of vintage gears. So, it doesn't mean is good or bad, but just be aware about pros and cons.
A thought provoking video. To be honest I never quite understood the lust for vintage gear. The only thing I really really wanted was a TB-3 but the little Behringer box is close enough to satisfy that itch. If I was ever to get the urge to develop an addiction to synthesizers I think I would slip down the modular hole.
yes, I thought this would be one of the reasons - it's really understated how much more difficult it was to sequence multiple hardware instruments together back in the day. Maybe that fits under 'logistics' - unbelievable how great tangerine dream sounds with Atari ST sequenced music but trying to do it like that today would be... daunting
Totally agree. Specially when we talk about vintage analog synths, which are the most expensive and difficult to fix and to maintenance. My synths actually are: -Alesis Micron -Kawai K4 -Casio CZ-1000 -Korg DS-8 I think I have more than enough, and as you say, I prefer to make music than to "collect" them. A few years ago, I was considering to buy a Polysix, Juno, Akai AX60, etc. But I finally didn't. I think there are some great and much more cheaper and advanced analog synths actually (Minilogue, Deepmind, etc) that really worth it much more than most of these vintage synths.
My first expensive synth was a Matriarch. I wanted the “vintage” Moog sound. I even made an album with a friend using it. Then I bought a Subsequent 37 and embraced the modern Moog sound. While vintage synths and vintage sounds are great, I prefer more modern sounding synths like the Subsequent and the Prologue. And yeah, the Matriarch is a modern synth, but it seems everyone is chasing a vintage sound. I did keep a Moog Grandmother because it kinda sounds like a Prodigy, but I’m down to an analog drum machine (clone of a 909), Subsequent 37, Prologue, and Arturia Pigments. Honestly, it’s a bit excessive for a person who isn’t a working musician. Great video!
Good video! I didn't know you had a Jupiter 8. Welcome to the club if you just got it. I'm getting rid of some of my gear that don't get played. Not the good vintage analog stuff. Some old Ensoniq stuff. Message for us older guys out there buying up stuff to play when we retire and have time. Play it NOW!! Make time and use it. Nobody is guaranteed to live to see that day and if you don't then someone else will have to deal with your stuff. They will sell it for someone else to enjoy. One of my brothers died right after he retired. The other brother and sister have been fighting cancer since retirement. Can't enjoy your gear if you are dead or fighting illness. So considering my older siblings fortunes I'm gonna play my stuff to death (pun intended) as often as I can. I play keys in a band (need a new profile pic) and I just bought a Roland VR-730 and I'm gonna wear that thing out!! Looking forward to your next video. BTW, reason for buying vintage synths: You know how to service / fix them and you have the test gear to do it. That's me. ;-)
Yes great advice Espen; I would add that if you're thinking of buying a vintage synth, ask yourself why - do you want it just because it's vintage or because you want/need the specific sound for your music? Also, learn the basics of reading circuit diagrams and soldering/desoldering so you can do basic repairs & maintenance!
When I was a kid, my neighbour Arthur had a modular synth that took up most of a wall in his living room. And when I got a drum kit, they used to listen through the wall when I played. So lucky that I had good neighbours.
Maintenance is a big part of the process but also part of the love. There is a reason classic car owner spend time wrenching. These old machines require extra love that a modern day synth wouldn't. The soldering iron should be the 2nd best instrument you play. In the end your tracks will have that classic sound you are looking for.
Got your point, but some electronic components, not to mention knowhow, may be hard to find...
Absolutely shawn. I enjoy seeing how these things do what they do. Old through hole boards are beautiful to behold.
@@SpikesStudio3 also beautiful: the string-tied wire looms that connect everything together!
What's interesting to me is every one of the other reasons given in this video (especially reason#2 Maintainence) amplifies Reason#1: they're EXPENSIVE!
Shiny truth Shawn
Nice video concept. To echo one of your points, one of my most enjoyable moments with vintage synths was selling a stack of them. They're wonderful, inspiring things but you need to be able to prove to yourself that they don't own you.
I spoke to Brad Fiedel a while back and he had just about everything at one point. He now just owns a piano. I love that.
I (too) sell, or trade, everything that doesn't get used on a regular basis, in my own music. I'm not more stronger attached to it than that. ;-)
Nice story about Fiedel, if that works for him (and I assume it does) then awesome! I was just saying to Anders the other day that I would get rid of everything and just get a piano myself, if I could make a good living from song-writing alone, but the world has changed. You can't make a (good) living from solely writing pop songs anymore. Pop music as I grew up with, and love, is dead. Sorry to admit it. ;-)
@@EspenKraft For sure, music is worthless now. It's ubiquitous and easy for anyone to make and release. In fact, writing music in general is changing and the bottom is falling out of everything. First album sales and streaming and now music for media is moving almost totally online where royalties don't exist (or are fractions of a fraction of a penny).
Shame. The down side of the internet.
Synths - yep, if it's not in use then no need to pretend that it needs to stay. Especially when it takes up precious space.
@@AlexBallMusic we should all take up art! Just saw a painter the other day who is selling his latest effort for 11grand!
@@nneeerrrd I was referring to letting it go in later life, not whilst you're still using it. Lol.
Reason #7. Companies are now making analog synthesizers that sound very impressive and should be dependable for quite a long time. Many have made improvements on retired popular synths that make those much more dependable and playable than they were back in the day. For example.. Moog Model D Reissue.
I would never go back to my SH-101 after playing around with the MS-1. The same sounds and workflow at a fraction of the price and far, far more reliable.
Interesting to see MS-1 working in 15-20 years. I don’t think there is enough data to judge current synths reliability. On the other hand, with Behringer prices you can replace synth every year or so :)
@@serhiymarchenko8361 That's fair, and I obviously can't tell how the electronics well hold up, but having owned both new, I can say for sure the MS-1 feels much more solid out of the box.
Deepmind-12 for instance is a game changer. I no longer last for a vintage analog Roland.
Sadly the main company in the space you describe has deeply questionable business practices, and goes after journalists. As was pointed out, we also don't know how long those products will last. I'll stick with the vintage.
If money is no object it’s awesome to own a collection of the masterful workmanship of vintage classic musical instruments since they’re as important as paintings or a car collection. I was lucky to meet such a man with a net worth upwards of $100 million. He has a massive synthesizer room in his Beverly Hills mansion with very hard to get synthesizers such as a Yamaha DX1, CS80, modulars, wurlitzers, 1960s Hammonds etc. He told me he began collecting in the 60’s and stopped in the 90’s because sampling took over. He spent over $200,000 throughout the years and his collection is now valued at $1 million. He has a synth museum. He’s in his 70’s and very proud of his collection
The word "collection" and synths is dangerous combination. It usually means that no music is made. At all. Show me the music made by this man. If the synths just sit there unused, he don't deserve them. Synths are tools, meant to be played. Just like cars are meant to be driven.
And Reason 7: Your wife 😅 I am maybe at the top of the point she is getting nervous. I dont know how i managed putting almost half of the so called „bedroom“ full with gear. And she is ok with it! What a wonderful woman.
😂 I can relate and thousands of others certainly can as well. There's this meme where the wife says something like "Oh, now you have a new synth you can sell one of the old ones, can't you?"
right, as it was in the 80s with audio and loudspeakers like infinity RS 2b, arcus, cabasse, ... today they use smartphone and boomboxes
I used to get stuff delivered to my place of work and then [MISSION IMPOSSIBLE MUSIC INTENSIFIES] try and sneak those boxes in with her noticing.
@@BWPT. Same here 😂
Get rid of the wife...that excludes nr 7...hehe
I totally agree on the price reason. Prices on EBay/Reverb have skyrocketed in the last two years. Even the low end and not-so-vintage vintage gear is going for crazy money now. Also it's definitely a labor of love to own and maintain any vintage gear. I've had to learn soldering/de-soldering, battery/pot/lcd/eprom replacement, recapping, and "red glue" removal, among other things. It always seems to come down to money or time to keep things running. I find it worthwhile but for sure it's not for the faint of heart (or wallet). In the end whether you are in it for collecting or playing, as long as it brings you happiness, go for it.
I'm in your exact same position. I learned to do minor repairs and maintenance to keep gear running (hopefully) for years. With that said I have in front of me a list of 21 things to do to my gear (recapping power supply for gear older than 25 years, changing screen backlights, changing internal batteries, getting RAM or Memories, changing tact switches for buttons, etc.)
I see Planet X2 box in the background!
Great game man! My only wish is that I had more time to actually play games on the C64 these days. ;-)
...and Lode Runner! :)
@@EspenKraft and Dead or Alive records
Hey Dave, has all that snow finally disappeared? It'll be good to see you back up and running with more vids.
Ha! I see an SY-22 *vector* synth in the background!
Absolutely spot on! Reason number 6 made me laugh out loud. You're right about the cables. Lots and lots of cables. And power strips. And stands. And some of the vintage boards are really heavy. But I love them all.
There's a certain joy to adding a new/old synth to the collection but that joy fades unless it really adds to my music creation ability. It's so tempting to go grab synths because they're for sale locally but I know I probably won't ever use most of them!
The hardware synths I have are the XV88, D50, TX81Z, JD-Xi. I would never give them away because they add a lot to my musical style.
even 3d printing can't rescue those old synths eh Angus?
Cyborg studio has the virtual XV5080 and D50.
The cyborg studio site has samples of TX81Z. Roland cloud has D-50 and XV-5080
Yes, that does happen. When it fades or the workflow becomes too much of a drag you start selling stuff. I've bought and sold over the years but there's also a few things I can never let go of, at least not yet.
Now in my late 50's I get quite excited to see vintage synths, that I grew up with in the 80's
Only have one synth and a controller, for now, limited on space...
Awesome video man!!! Thanks ❤️
Or you take the Doctor Mix route and just build a bigger studio! Problem solved...
Cheers man! Keep up the good work too. :D
@@chrismurphy9750 haha, I am going that route now... and yes, its exactly because of the vintage gear, which multiplied explosively in the last years. This stuff really takes space
You are absolutely right on this one Espen .Reasons why I sold my JP 8😂
"Depending on where you live, finding a synth tech may be difficult."
This is my biggest hurdle. Forget synth techs, there's not even someone who repairs electronics anywhere near me. Obtaining spares is another major issue. There is no store I can walk into and buy things like capacitors or resistors off the shelf.
I'm incredibly fortunate in this regard: I live almost directly between the Syntaur office (parts) and SwitchedOn (repairs), but I remember a time when this was absolutely the biggest problem.
@@jakelawson1 You're really lucky 🙂 Because of my issues, I stick to soft synths.
Yeah, repairs is a big issue. This old gear can quickly become a money pit. I do my own basic repairs like changing tact switches, caps, screens, etc. But my biggest worry is when a specialty chip goes out and you're stuck with a synth for parts. I've sold some vintage synths for that reason and used the funds to purchase new analog synths that will last for years. It's crazy how some people will still buy an old Prophet 5 when you can buy a new Prophet 5. But to each their own.
There's a reason for that. Most tech is so cheap these days, that very few people find a reason to repair than buy new - the reason SHOULD in reality be sustainability, but people usually chose money first - and here's a fun fact for you, as a former Electronics Repair Tech, and an electronics Enthusiast - people have gotten this idea that if they LET me REPAIR their stuff, it's somehow a favor they do me, and don't realize this takes ton's of time, and since it's not my stuff in the end - I get very little out of it if I don't get enough to cover the free time I put into it. Experience + time is worth money, most plumbers love their job too, but they wouldn't fix your toilet just because of a pretty face and a kiss :)
@@TommyHelgevold I find it helps to take a deposit before commencing work. Also, people who use their gear are much more grateful than those who hoard it. I have found working on vintage electronics can be quite profitable, but you need to get the money part of the conversation out of the way up front, to set expectations straight.
this is just Espen trying to drive the prices down. lol
That ship has sailed, Esben underestimate the popularity of his channel. I've personally withnessed the exact stuff he reviews EXPLODE in Sweden in the Second-Hand market the minute he said something good about it :)
At 2:03 I recognized my D550 oh I did the screen upgrade too. It looks so awesome now. I can’t believe how good it looks. I recommend to everyone!
5 reasons why you should get one. 1. Analog is realtime, no delay, hands on you can do fast movements that just don't feel or sound natural on the PC (especially when you get in the zone and you are jamming). 2. Old synths sometime are a bit scratchy, dirty pots, components can be jank. Can give you nice characteristics. If you are too perfect your music will be played in an elevator. 3. no midi can be interesting. Once i had an analog drum machine that output spikes of voltage when the pads were hit. I tapped that right into a modular, iiinnsaaane. On that note it's much more hackable(vs a digital keyboard) 4. You get addicted. it's better to be addicted to this than magic the gathering. We all have our vice. 5. It good to have at least 1 piece of gear from the past and apperciate how we got from point a to point b. 6. Have one piece of gear you have for a lifetime and pass down to your children or nephew/neices. create history and survive through it in what you share with others.
The best music I've ever written was on an ensoniq sd-1 synth with a built in 12 track sequencer. I mastered that synth and so programming it was easy. I bought the arp 2600, the minimoog and others and found myself lost in trying to get it all to work efficiently. Since space is limited I now do everything inside my computer. Owning more synths just complicated the writing process for me. I went back to a simple setup and my writing returned. I realized that production wasn't my strong suit but songwriting was. I do love those old fat sounds though.
Yeah Ensoniq made good sequencers. Of course they were discontinued due to a clueless Singaporean sound card Co (creative labs)
My first synth was an ensoniq esq 1 and I liked it but it broke down after a little over a year. The place I bought it at did not do any repairs and I ended up with buying a Korg T3 that lasted a long time. In fact it might still be usable but I have not had it out of its case in a long time. I usually write with my Yamaha Motif and use samples from sample tank and east west to give me a variety of different sounds. I then record into my motif sequencer and then transfer it all into Reaper and then finally Ableton to record vocals.It's a bit complicated but I'm used to doing it that way and it all works out okay.
Reason nr. 2 (maintenance) is why I learned how to fix and maintain these dinosaurs and I became my own synth tech :-)
Good points, all. I was expecting maintenance to be high on the list. I have had to do repairs on a D-70, Juno-106, QSR, MSB+, power supplies for vintage A&H boards, etc. You can't find people to work on them so that's a drawback. I just threw out a Crown DC300 because I am not comfortable working on gear with a failure mode that can put line voltage on your speakers. Good video, thanks. Oh... some of the classics have rack versions which can save you space, if that's a concern.
Great advice Mr Kraft , i am buying things i could not afford when they came out ,now an oldie i can indulge a little , :}
I've gone round in circles with vintage gear. Used to have exclusively old stuff, got annoyed with stuff not working and went all modern, and now I have mostly vintage gear again! The sound/user experience wins for me, I'll just live with the quirks. The gear is more expensive now than it was 10 years ago though, sadly! And I've never stopped making music :)
Regarding dry sounds--that is what I LOVE about old synths. These days you turn on a synth and you're inundated with tons of reverb, delay and God knows what else. The simplicity of turning on a synth and not having that is great because you really get to know the sound of the unit and you can always apply fx in your DAW if you want.
Most of software VST synths nowadays follow this simplicity model. For example, such freeware synths as Rocket Punch by Hello Robot (it is extremely funny!), Viking VK-1, Korg Mono/Poly from Full Bucket Music and many, many others. They sound very dry and gritty.
The FIRST thing I used to do back in the early '90s when listing to a new synth in a music shop was to figure out how to bypass the internal fx, so as not to be "fooled" by the luster of reverb, chorus, delay, etc. I wanted to hear what the actual synth itself could do! (I remember loving that the Yamaha SY77 was the first to have a dedicated fx bypass button, and that's still one of the best synths ever...)
Totally agree, but I can also understand people being disappointed by the dry sounds. I felt that way about my old Korg Delta the first time I turned it one. Oops.
I know! I have such trouble trying to figure out how to turn off the effects! Tbh my first problem is trying to figure out how to turn it on, I usually never get past that point.
@@ShallRemainUnknown exactly. This was my issue with the Behringer Deepmind, I felt like when you turn off all the effects the raw sound wasn't very impressive or interesting. Of course I've heard great music made on a Deepmind but I couldn't connect to it for this reason.
That’s 6 reasons why you should buy vintage gear Espen. 😃. Sadly due to money troubles a few years back I had to sell my meagre collection and only recently bought another ‘vintage’ Sy77. For me the feel of the instrument in hardware form is something plugins and VST’s can never emulate
I've replaced several of my 1980s synths, and one from the early 70s, with software VST's. And for the record, i'm very happy I did. Most of my vintage synths I still live in storage as I find the software versions the ones I prefer to work with. Actually playing them, the hardware classics are more fun to see and touch, but software can replicate the sound, and offer many advantages.
I once owned two SY77s and an SY99 and a DX5 and a TX816 and I sold them all for peanuts 😬
(as well as a DX7 classic, DX7S, DX21, DX11, TX81Z ) ... I quite like FM 🤣
You can see why the likes of Chris Lowe from Pet Shop Boys used samplers instead of synths. You don't have to carry large synths around on tour and you have all the sounds in one.
Hi Michael, looking at old Prodigy live shows it seems Liam Howlett did the same. I had no idea until seeing this footage. I dunno what keyboards he used but you can see stacks of floppy disks beside him which I assume contained his entire set of samples.
@@MrSpiderkells He used a Roland W-30.
But... samplers are synths as well (some more than other though)
Great video espen. I used to have a moog source & korg poly 61m, (sold both) still have a polymoog which I got repaired but still plays up now & again and thankfully a working arp solina. A struggle to get someone to fix them to work & expensive . I would today stick to vst or plug in versions if you can.
The speculation on some vintage classics as junos, Jupiters etc has made the prices so unfair and detached from the real values. Therefore the first reason and the last one now coincide. They are expensive because of the compulsive collectors. And that’s why Behringer now exists and flourish
Yeah. That Model D synth that Behringer makes for $300 is damn good for the price...
@@dannydaniel1234 after all minimoog was already expensive and today it keeps his original value. What drives me crazy is the price of low cost gear which now are immotivately untouchable. Like Roland TB303 which was released at less than 400 bucks and now costs 5 times the original price.
@@FabrizioDeSerio
Like you said, Behringer is killing a
@@FabrizioDeSerio
I love what Behringer is doing.
They are the only company that actually listens to what customers want and thats analog synths that wont break the bank!
@@dannydaniel1234 Here's hoping they do a mellotron. Those folks are worse than Moog when it come sto marking up gear.
Maybe one day... Watching ur videos has inspired me to invest in a cheap midi keyboard from ebay, Ableton Lite, TAL Sampler and your Digital Collection Vol. 1 - loads of vintage synth fun for less than $150 🎹😊
After having a Jupiter 6, Pro 1, PolySix, JP-8000, OB-12, D-50 along with a TR-808, TR-707 and a TR-606 then over time replacing them with the Jupiter-X and RD-8 I am more than happy, although I wish that I would have kept the Pro1.
Ok great, you've convinced me. I'm not buying one. .... What?! There is a "6 reasons you SHOULD buy" video too? Noooooooooo! ;-)
Just do as I do: don't watch yhat video. It's that simple!
With a little bit of creativity and a cheap multi-effects processor you can get very nice sounds from even the cheapest portable keyboards. For the price of ONE well-known vintage synth you might probably get two or three of those machines. Before buying, just make sure that it has AT LEAST an audio/headphone output...and hopefully (if built after the year 1982) MIDI as well. Or what about an old electric organ for a change? You might even get one for FREE because they are heavy to carry around and people very often just want to get rid of them...even in totally mint condition.
In my opinion, the worst thing about repairing vintage synths is finding replacement parts. Many of the parts are no longer available, and have no viable substitutes. Also, some manufacturers never released proper detailed schematics and technical documentation for their synths, and are now out of business. The detailed information required to efficiently repair those vintage synths evaporated along with the company. Yes, I'm looking at you, "Ghost of Ensoniq's Past"! 😉
I am currently trying to source a memory board for Ensoniq EPS16. Any ideas?
Thanks, you are so right. Exactly the reason why i bought Some cheaper behringers, they sound good enough, i am enjoying making music instead of collected synths.
I sold all(too much to list here) of my vintage gear a while ago for nothing. It was too much to maintain and I didn't have much $. I tried to restart in the early 2000's with a Super JX and a SH-32, but I ended up selling those as well. The convenience of a DAW like FL or Ableton is just too strong. I hope that some of you chasing the vintage rabbit hole will fall in love with a VST and not expect it to recreate a bygone era. I absolutely fell in love with Spire in 2014 and still love the character and personality it exudes. I love a few other VST instruments, but the important thing to remember is that a VST will never recreate hardware exactly(nor should it). Just appreciate them for what they are and their capabilities that are far beyond vintage gear. You just have to find one that clicks for you and write some magnificent songs with it. FYI, nothing from a computer will ever come close to the way my MiniMoog sounded. NOTHING...
Summary: man with a whole bunch of vintage gear (and a Commodore 64) explains why you shouldn't buy vintage gear. 🙂
You're absolutely right, of course. Collecting is fun, and a whole lot easier than actually making music.
I'm still thinking what to do with the Crumar Bit 99 that I found (including the original leather bag, with Bit 99 logo). I could make a decent profit on it, and it's actually not that interesting a synth. Pretty rare, yes, but also big. Shipping is going to be a killer, though.
Interesting comments on being focused on gear and losing sight of the music one can create.
Collecting and accumulating gear also applies to modern devices and equipment.
I have seen this with a couple of audiophiles I know. They have become more interested in the gear and sound and forgotten about the music. One got to the stage of purchasing $400 cables to connect his speakers. I certainly could not tell the difference I sound between his $50 cables and the $400 cables.
The music became secondary to the sound system.
Also switched from a solid state amplifier to a vacuum tube amplifier where the tubes alone cost $1500 per pair.
There is certainly a trap with buying equipment purely for accumulating gear.
I'm with you lol. People with a lot of expendable cash reach the plateaus that all musicians face, but instead of working through it, they think buying a new piece of gear will take them to the next level. Then a lot of times give up. Gotta disagree a little about the guitar amp part, though. Been playing guitar for 15+ years and my mind was blown the first time I played a real tube amp like a Vox AC30 or Fender Blues Jr with good settings, because I always thought it was just people being nostalgic. Solid state amps can get decent, but can never replicate the dynamics of tubes. A tube amp sounds slightly different every time you hit the string. It's like the difference between playing on a $100 casio electric keyboard vs a Rhodes imo. I'd say most guitarists' bigger problem is buying a $2000 guitar and pair it with one of those giant ass solid state combos because it has a cool LED screen and looks like a good deal (cuz big watts is better). I'm more of a keyboardist nowadays, but my amp cost 4 times as much as my standard Strat from 2006 and I would never make a different decision.
But also, if you're specifically talking about those crazy boutique vintage amps with $1500 tubes, I agree that's quite a questionable investment unless you're John Mayer or something haha
@@asiagobagel8293 good points. Instead of accumulating dozens of guitars or one class of instrument, i find it more beneficial musically to buy different types of musical instruments. Buying a mandolin or banjo or sitar and working through how to play these new instruments is a great way to develop your musical skills.
A friend completed a post graduate degree in music and the main requirement in the course was competency in 20 different musical instruments. A minimum score of 95% for each chosen instrument was needed in order to be awarded the degree.
Most of the candidates in this course knew how to play brass and wind instruments as well as stringed instruments and percussion.
Cheers
I totally agree with your opinion. In fact, a number of composers in Japan have turned into collectors and disappeared from the front stage of the music industry. On the other hand, most successful composers working at the forefront of the music industry today use only soft synths. Their musical instruments are MacPros and USB-MIDI keyboards. However, collectors are important patrons who support the music industry. I respect their financial power.
You are so right. :-) I have a knack for synths of the end of 90s/early 2000s era, and yes, one day they'll fail, too - and in this "throw stuff away after 2 years of use" time we live in, skilled repair technicians are hard to find. And I definitely couldn't do that on my own.
I buy vintage affordable gear , not the most wanted, usualy not working, I fix them, sometimes it takes me so long... i think they are limited, and difficoult to program, but to me , learn to use those gear is very inspiring, every gear is different and going aroud to the limitations helps me to not get stuck in a circle of the same music.
Great points ! I'd add another 7th reason : 'Don't believe the hype'. Actually most of the sounds (if not all) you could get from 'vintage' synths can be reproduced in modern synths in a virtually identical way. Sorry vintage lovers, but it's just the truth :-p
I used to own a lot of vintage synths and drum machines.
You’re completely correct, in today’s market there are lots of equally capable, far cheaper and more reliable synths.
No reason to buy vintage unless you’re a collector, and if so good luck to you!
hay sonidos que no se pueden imitar en teclado nuevos por mas que les cargues los samples les falta el peso en el sonido
None are truly perfect - sometimes they sound 'too clean' to the point you know its software. Sometimes you just cant get the same resonance response you hear on a recording. Not to mention all the other variables at play, a lot of effects and processing, often analog themselves can drastically alter the sound. In fact external processing might be the most important part to tweaking synths to get the right vibe.
But we're starting to see software that are really getting close now. Obsession, J8, Legend, Model 84, OB-E to name a few recent standouts.
@@zxbryc Nothing in life is “perfect”. I doubt in a mix someone would identify the difference in a blind test
@@danield_sounds while that maybe so, a lot of people seam to realize that that's not really the point...
The "can't hear it in the mix" argument is by far the argument that pisses me the most. It's not so much about what other people or even you as a musician will hear in the final mix, but rather the whole process of getting there, playing the parts and what inspires you. If actually playing the parts in a vintage instrument is what inspires you the most and get the most out of your playing than it's worth it, weather you notice the difference in the final mix of the song or not. It's not just about an "end result" but the "whole process" of getting there. I respect however that it may not be relevant to some.
All exceedingly valid reasons Mr. Espen!
I would also add that asides from the cost of maintenance/ need for repairs, some vintage synths use unique/ custom chips that are no longer available and have been out of production for years. This means that even though a skilled technician has the ability to physically replace all the parts, unless those replacement parts can actually be found, the synth will remain broken.
I'd also add a reason 7 - a good number of vintage synths are now being remanufactured/ cloned and are available new. Putting aside the argument about them not sounding exactly identical (many originals didn't sound exactly identical to each other either!) or the "ethics" of the companies making them, they are close enough and much more affordable to make them worthwhile alternatives. Some are also available in smaller form factors or as desktop modules, and that can help those with limited space.
Looking forward to part 2!
Cheers! Part 2 already out. ;-)
Very clever video full of thruth.
On my side, beside the increasing prices problem obvioulsy, the maintenance is the main obstacle. I live in the countryside, far from big cities, and even finding someone to do a simple recaping is an issue.
I wonder if part of the reason demand is increasing is because peoples' old synths are breaking down and they want to replace them. Vintage analog does seem to be getting more popular, but the amount of people replacing what they already had could be significant.
Maintenance and reliability are the main reasons I don't have any vintage gear. I'm glad I sold my JX-8P when it was working perfectly. If I had kept it for another 4-5 years. it would surely have broken down. Then I would have had to either pay someone to fix it, or sell it for almost nothing as a defective unit.
When it comes to the last reason, the same can happen with modern synths and even with software. Lots of people just hoard plugins, looking for that "magic" plugin that will inspire them to actually finish a song.
Agree! Especially the maintenance part. I have a person who does all my Moog service. That is usually hundreds of dollars for each visit. Only one of my vintage units has patch memory. The patch that sounded great yesterday, likely will not sound the same tomorrow, and there is no way to get it back. Like painters who make their own pigments, the sounds of most vintage units are unique to a single moment of time. Record what you like, because it will never be here again.
OMG. Reason #4 and #5 got me. I have owned sooooooooooooooo much gear and thought to myself..."gee. This takes up a lot of room and is a pain in the ass to move." I love vintage synths but went the minimalist route. Great video :D
Nice Video! As I found a CD yesterday with photos from 20 years ago I noticed again that with less gear - especially as a beginner in this topic - I was most creative. I even started with a usb synth on a old ironing board - not joking. Another reason is that I spend hours and hours on eBay looking for a good catch and as you said - not making music that time. I am now happy with a new audio computer, two HS-7, a SY77 wich i ordered a new display last week (sadly seems lost in shipping) the SY22 (wich I use most because it doesnt has that high pitch noise as SY77), and bought now a JV-2080 with 3 Exp Boards Vintage Synths, and a new Monitor arriving today. From California are on its way many patch Floppies for SY77. So after 1 1/2 year beginning with synths and being inspired by your channel, trying 80s music and 80s film music, my new goal and vision is to use that many presets and options to transform on these synths I now have, stack these synths - which I like most, learn theorie, and make music instead of being stuck on ebay notifications (and heavy smartphone use) for the best buy.. oh and I noticed personaly for me that with somebody beside I am more creative. But I learned esp for 80s music not to expect much attention for that synth sounds because many friends such dont like that raw sounds. They dont feel that wow when hearing an FM Synthesis Brass and so on. Thats to keep in mind and dont be offended when as a beginner spent hours on recording tracks :-)
Thks you have so right ! There is so many reason to don't forget newest synth are very useful to sounds like analog
All good points. A big challenge with collecting aging electronics is that they're basically slowly self destructing in whole or in part. Capacitors leaking, plastics becoming brittle, rubber turning to goo, displays fading, etc. In many ways it's like old car collecting where you need to be ready for the work to maintain your collection as well as the play. Also, about the sound of old synths, I remember back in the 80s the third piece of equipment my musician brother bought after his CZ-1000 and a 4-track recorder was a reverb / effects rack unit. It made all the difference in the sound of his compositions. Looking forward to reasons why to buy a vintage synth video!
OH SNAP! Is that Dead Or Alive posters in the background!!?!??! THOSE WERE SOME OF MY MOST FAVORITE JAMS BACK IN THE 80s!! You, SIR, are a man of taste indeed!
It's not posters, it's vinyl records. 12" maxi singles of some of their songs.
Totally agree. I grew up in the 80's and had (and played) a lot of synths and they were great, but modern synths are evolutions of those machines: they are more affordable and reliable and they have much more possibilities. Thinking about connecting a synth to the computer using only a USB cable and start making music with no latency or any other problem, is like magic when you go back to the 80's and 90's.With my band we started using a C-64 as a drum machine and it was fun, but that was because we didn't have other options, or at least, any affordable option for 15 years old teenagers, so our creativity was pushed all the time.
We had concerts and connecting all the synths was a challenge, always crossing our fingers and having backing tracks on a mini disc in case something went wrong. I still have an Emax II, in perfect conditions with the original box and manual, but I am gonna use it today? No way.... is a tank. I can do the same and more with the Arturia Emulator II VST, sitting on my computer drinking coffee, editing samples on a huge screen.So for people who didn't have the chance to play with vintage synths or live during that era, I understand it is a temptation buying those legendary machines, but they're not better than modern synths. A Jupiter 8 sound maybe can't be replicated by any other digital synth like the Jupiter X (I have one and I love it), but in the mix who will notice that is not an original Jupiter 8? If the track is good, nobody will pay attention to single instruments. The most important thing is to make music. Today most of us, in our home, have more power, hardware and sounds possibilities thank Kraftwerk had in the 70's or Depeche Mode in the 80's and what are we doing? Buying more and more and letting the machines collect dust, or taking photos for likes in social media? I almost fell into the trap. I started buying hardware a couple of years ago and I realized that when I only had Reason and the Arturia V Collection, I was making one or two tracks per week, and after starting buying hardware again, maybe I was making a new track every month or so. And why did this happen? Probably I got distracted buying synths and watching videos about more synths, and of course I wanted more. Not vintage because I don't want to deal with problems and I'm a geek and I always loved technology (that's why I wanted synths when I was a kid, and not a piano :P), but I was in the hoarding stage. Luckily I realized it in time and I stopped buying hardware and going back to make music. I have a dozen synths of course, but when I make music, I try to use at least one patch of each, and not only is it fun, but also I'm pushing my creativity again, because at then end, if we like synths is because of music, right? Let's focus on that ;)
Spot on - felt into the same trap, then sold a lot of synths and never looked back. As a gearhead I still buy new synths, but now my focus is more on a good GUI and if I can create a Sound fast, also Preset Management is very important for me.
@@Iceleben Yeah I think today we are lucky to have so many modern evolutions of those vintage synth, more affordable, fast, small footprint and versatile. Dealing with old things is for a collector or a museum. As musicians we are looking for sounds and doesn't matter if it comes from an old or a modern instrument. Is like drawing with a modern pencil or a 40 years old one. Who cares if the result is good?
Try doing that live though. You can't take them all out on the road
Hi Espen. You're absolutely right. My first vintage synth wasn't my last one and I've got now another 2 synths. So I'm becoming a collector...
This is a great and important video.
Maintenance is the most neglected part. Not only in money but also in ‘waisting’ time on repairing machines.
All just to keep that specific sound in your setup.
Just like you Esben, I'm an 80's child and as we grew up with those, we have a natural attraction towards what made us feel like the world was ours, the power of those synths were expensive yes, and many of us could not afford more than ONE, perhaps on the lower end of the scale back then, and only dreamed of Synths like Moog, Oberheim, Fairlights etc. I did deliver newspapers like crazy to get my Yamaha DX7 back in the days, but the memories alone was worth it. Would I get one today? Probably not - I did get a Roland D50, because unlike Yamaha DX 7, this thing had a LOT more sound in it, instead of just that FM sound (which BTW I also love, hence why I have a Yamaha Montage today, but modern synths spoils us to no end, the montage is like having 16 DX 7 synths-in-one with a more complex FMX synth in it with morphing and deep learning just to make it even more fun to create and come up with new sound).
And that brings us to the crux of it all doesn't it? New/Old sound - that hunt for that SPECIAL sound that make it ours. I'm a former service technician so in that regards I'm just like you, terribly lucky and can pick up an older broken synth and usually fix it at low costs, depends on youtube reviewers, because if someone famous falls in love with an old classic - it immediately explodes in price - everywhere. So it's best to look at "what you want" in a synthersizer, even if it's from the 80's and not WHAT is popular because someone famous falls in love with it right now.
Why do I love synths? That's the easiest question in the world to answer - I like to be able to play RIGHT when the MOOD strikes. I don't want to boot up a DAW system, and fiddle around endlessly on screen, I like to play LIVE, and just hit record and go from there. When the moment hits, the synths better be ready before my "buzz" is all gone.
Even though I have some old synths, Roland D50, Roland RA50, and recently an FM based organ called Yamaha Electone HS6 (which is fully programmable btw, with aftertouch keybeds and all) - my Yamaha Montage (or Roland Fantom, Korg Kronos for those who have those) they are all Smashing good synths that can totally put a collection of 40+ synths to shame if you just learn to work the menues of these beasts, I've had my Montage for a year now, and STILL don't know more than perhaps 1-2% of what it can do, it's crazy powerful with 256 Polyphony (128 of then which are FM-X) and a TON of filters with equally crazy many menues.
I like the fact it's almost instantly on, and the possibilities are endless. Do I envy your synth collection? Not at all - but I do envy your SKILLS and music talent which is FAR beyond that of mine, and I love watching you lovingly present us your next Synth project from the 80 to 90's. They are indeed worthy of a prolonged life in the right hands with love!
Thanks again for your lovely videos - I'll watch them untill you stop, or if I die first, we'll see :)
You're right, and there are more. Never seems to stop us shelling out for more of them though. Looking forward to your 'pros' video.
It's already done. ;-)
Had one of those music gear collector types for a customer when I worked in a music shop. My day lit up anytime he appeared! Bought dozens of synths and modules but he never finished a single tune.
Dear Mr Kraft, I completely empathize with this video. As another person with a giant mountain of gear, I can honestly say I no longer really have G.A.S. anymore and are whittling down my studio. Thankfully most gear in my studio was bought broken and I took the time to repair and bring it back. DIY isn't a sterling solution for newbies unless you've got a lot of experience under your belt in fixing synths. But learning does save a lot of money, It can also result in permanantly killing a nice keyboard (I've got a dead board in my studio because of this).. As always I have my goto synths I like to use and will always want to update my interface to something better, but as it is my studio is pretty much done and I spend a lot of time tinkering and getting melodies I like. I encourage people to buy Behringer, DSI/Sequential, Access because They're mega simple to service and you get a pretty decent synth out of the box. The computer is one of the best tools to pair with a vintage synth and it can truely be magical when it doesn't do much on its own. Thank you for sharing the video and Cheers from Texas.
"When you buy your first vintage synth it might not be your last"...
Amen to that :D
Nice man. I think that there are some vintage synths that are not so expensive. Yes it is true the thing of the space and other things that could be complicated but I would recommend some 80s and 90s synths. They are not so old and some have really nice sounds. The sinths of the 70s are really big. But it is true that you can get really nice sounds on the new tiny versions of vintage sinths. Cheers man!
Unfortunately I just bought a D50 the other day... too late (and an SY99 recently that I haven't yet received.) Well, ok, I'd already accumulated 10-15 rack modules! I'm hooked now, and I love them all, but if I'd known how many days of my life I'd spend configuring and reconfiguring the whole lot of them and just staring blankly at half completed builds for hours wondering how to proceed and what to SPEND MORE MONEY ON.... Yeah, I'd do it again. It's boring in the box. To me. But it's convenient, I could easily have stayed there, and for most people I would probably recommend doing just that!
The worst thing about buying old kit is the turning it on stage with fingers crossed, esp Ebay.
@@maccagrabme Tell me about it! I managed to get this Roland from a big store with a return policy, but they supposedly tested it and then failed to include the power cable... very fishy! Today the cable arrived and I was frankly amazed to find it works without a fault. Big sigh of relief! I could barely function over the weekend waiting to find out.
Hi Espen, you make some really great points on the pros and cons of vintage synths. On the point though about them being dry, I actually love that vintage (or modern analog) sounds great without lots of chorus and reverb.
I've owned some great vintage synths over the years, Roland System 100 with the expander 102 module, 16 step analog sequencer and even the mixer and speakers. That one took up a lot of space and was expensive for a 2 VCO, 2 Filter and ADSR setup. It never broke down on me but I couldn't afford to have it serviced, so I sold it.
Other favs were Oberheim Matrix 1000, which I think is underrated. I've also owned a Juno 106, which had the typical filter chip problems, but I loved that synth. I thought it sounded pretty thin but it always seemed to sound great in the mix no matter what you did with it. I couldn't afford to fix it, so I sold it (yes I regret that I sold it now!). So easy to program, had a decent amount of memory for patches and was affordable (not any more!).
I've also owned a Roland JX8P which for some reason I never really liked even though I had the PG800 programmer as well.
Other find memories of past girlfriends (oh I meant synths) were an old Yamaha DX7II that I picked up for nothing and a great drum machine the Casio Rz-1. I would've kept that if it has a little more sampling time!
I only have modern analog now (other than an old Cheetah MS6 which needs a date with the synth doctor) and of course VSTs.
You always remember your first love(s) though!
Depending upon how "vintage" we are talking, but multi-timbral was not a feature of early synths. That was always a problem for me when I wasn't able to record separate audio tracks (oh the days of recording with 2 stereo cassette decks).
That was the first thing I ever used MIDI for: Play two machine at once = multitimbral-ish!
You pretty much summarize why I don’t buy vintage synths. I also think that nostalgia is a big factor for why people pay so much for vintage gear. It explains why some people pay 20K for a Jupiter 8 while others say that 2.5K for an Arturia Polybrute is way too expensive. In the 90s and early 2000s people had no choice to buy vintage gear if they wanted analog synths but nowadays there are very good modern analog synths on the market and it baffles me to see how popular vintage gear is.
It’s the same with vintage guitars, you can buy so great new guitars these days while people spent tremendous amounts of money for the vintage ones.
I like the photos of Pete Burns from "Dead or Alive" on your wall.
Vinyl 12" extended mixes (maxi-singles)
Hi Espen. A great video. You however forgot the most important reason of all: If you negate all the obstacles you mention and even keep making fresh new music you will find out that people are not at all interested in your creative output but only want to drool over your gear. "Yes, yes, I've got a Fairlight CS 5000 Superprophet but how do you like the new masterpiece I recorded with it?" ........... (insert the sounds of a desert wind and dried tumbleweed rolling by).
Thanks Marc. Some truth to that. I started this channel with uploading only music. Music I made with some of this gear. No views, no comments. Then I started making gear reviews and tutorials and made the same music, showing the gear. Lots of views and comments. :P
@@EspenKraft Hi Espen, Yeah, It always helps to drum up some interest, so maybe it is not a true disadvantage, but sooner or later it then starts to iritate again that peoples attention still does not goes further. Speaking of which: You can find my latest project(s) here: www.brassee.com/electronicmusic.html. More experimental then 80ties pop but straight from the heart all the same. Have a nice weekend. :-)
@@EspenKraft PS: An example. Last year I was asked to contribute to an Italian proejct. Oh, and they did of coure not have any budget to pay me. In the end it turned out they where only interested in getting a real CS80 in. I actually did some difficult maintenance (full power supply recapping) and handed in my session just in time for a rather tight deadline. Initially everything seemd to be accepted with enthousiasm but then they suddenly started to complain that I had not strictly followed the guide tracks, in spite of me having said in advance that I would only be interested if I could put in my own 2 cents. I gues the original composer of the song had protested. When I told them to use what I had done or take a hike they suddenly started to complain about imperfect tuning and non quantised timing. It's a CS80 for God's sake! These guys probably do not even know what a CS80 actually does beyond it being the one on "that Blade Runner theme". In the end I just forbade then to use anything at all. I'd better not check though. BUNCH OF POSERS! Grrrrrr! Ah well, at least I got the long overdue recapping done.
Love that you're doing videos from both viewpoints.
I have 4 synthesizers that I have bought over a period of 57 years. I started in the 70s with my first synth, a Paia 2720 kit. I had to build it and it was very educational. 37 keys, monophonic, basic. I enjoyed that so much I made musical electronics my career. Then in the 90s I bought an Ensoniq ESQ-1. Wow! The sound quality and ease of use was fantastic. I still have it and nothing sounds quite like it. It is a digital wavetable synth with analog filters and amplifiers. Great sounds. Then in like 2005 I bought a Yamaha Motif and a Korg Triton Extreme. Totally digital synths but they have a warm sound. My favorite is probably the Korg. I still have and use all of them. I also have a Roland JV 1010, a half rack size synth module. It has some useful sounds. Now I'm feeling the need to get into Eurorack, mostly the analog stuff. There are so many possibilities, with buying modules from different manufacturers. I am very happy with my vintage synths, and wish I could have afforded an Arp 2600 and a Moog. G.A.S. may compel me to find them.
Your reasons to not buy a vintage synth are sound and ring true. I will be interested to watch your 'reasons to buy a vintage synth video' dude.
Your point about “collecting” synths versus “making music” resonates with me. While I only (!!!) have 6 or 7 vintage synths and drum machines, and while I still produce music when I have the time and energy, I barely move beyond their presets. Contrast this to when I was 16 and my only synth was a Boss Dr Synth - I knew every little feature and little tweak to make it sing. I still love picking up old synths when I see them (particularly those from the 80s, when I was a kid), but mine are quickly turning into expensive ornaments these days!
Having to replace the voice chips on my Juno 106 by myself still cost me about the same as many modern synths. The only way to keep costs down on vintage gear is to learn how to solder and some basics in how electronics work. With many brands putting out clones and with how good plugins are now there's little reason to buy vintage outside of collecting.
One of my Voice Boards has died as well :(
That will be true once either Roland or Behringer remake the Juno and Jupiter's then I won't be bothered with vintage unless it's new.
@@maccagrabme Roland has the boutique series for the Juno and released the System 8 with Jupiter 8 and Juno 106/60 plug outs..
@@patrikknoerr9777 The original chips are crap quality. There is one company in Belgium who manufactures quality replacements at analoguerenaissance
Great video. But I disagree with two things: “dry sound”. As a player and a collector since the 80’s, I love vintage synths because they DON’T need processing. For me part of the beauty is to tweak up great sounds without the help of effects. And of course you can always add them later. The other “reason” I disagree with, is “logistics”. Not everything needs to have midi or USB. How about just playing it live into an audio track?
All of your other points are spot on. From my experience the most unreliable vintage units: Memorymoog, Prophet-5, OBXa, Oberheim FV. The most reliable vintage units I have owned: Jupiter-6, OB8, Super Jupiter & Super Jx, Korg MS20 & 10. Minimoogs need maintenance, but they’re small, easy to fix and worth the effort.
It depends where you're coming from. If you're mostly "just" a player, then the need for effects and processing might be so dire. If you come from a production environment like I (and I made so many records and commercial tracks with what is now considered vintage synths) you had to do a LOT with them to make them sit in a mix. Compression, EQ, chorus, delay and reverb, and then some.
I've seen younger guys not knowing what to do with a synth without hooking it up through USB. ;-)
I never said I myself like USB, I hate usb. :P
And just to make it clear, 80% of all my recordings through the last 30 years has been me playing straight in, as audio. ;-)
A few years ago it was easier to find cheap equipment. Maybe not the Junos and the MS20s anymore but I arrived at the end of the trend and got a few pieces (in my case mainly my 90s dream: samplers).
The “thrill of the hunt” got in the way of making music. After a while I had to admit that I was more productive with my software samplers, although I kept two of the hardware ones and focused on “getting patches done” instead of looking for the next piece of gear. “Hunting” kept me so busy that I hardly knew the possibilities of some of my units beyond a quick walkthrough.
I do enjoy your channel and your approach very much, and although we’re not in the same path when it comes to music style, your videos and calm approach is always inspiring. I know I’m late to the comments but anyway… Thank you!!!
You are so well on point. A few months ago I decided to start making/recording music again after many years so I decided to add more gear/equipment to my Korg MS 2000 (the only synth I had). So I just recently bought two Yamaha DX7s, Roland A-30 midi controller, Akai MPK midi controller, a CME midi controller, an Audio/MIDI interface and a 10 channel mixer audio just to name a few. And as of today I have not started recording anything. Is a weird addiction (syndrome ?) that I couldn’t help. But I have stop buying synths/equipment but I am still obsessed with searching for synths/equipment in the ads in the internet but at least I’m not buying anything more. It is a weird compulsive buying frenzy that I was able to control quickly. In your video you point out that synths enthusiasts will buy all these vintage synths but not play them. I can very much relate to that 100%. What would you call this kind of behavior ?
I sold all of my vintage Oberheim units (Matrix 6, Matrix 1000, OB-Xk, 2 DPX1s, DMX,) and filled any of the gaps left from those with Dave Smith Instruments / Sequential units and I couldn't be happier. So now I have 8 DSI / Sequential synths that came with warranty, have amazing tech support, have their own built in parameters, effects, updates, and ability to save and load new patches. I had fun with my Oberheim gems but I always had to approach them with finesse and I had to bring something to a tech or order parts from Syntaur at least once a year. Dealing with all of that kept me from being productive and making music.
Very good video, well done! I completely agree. I also would add to the list "Flexibility" ; because many vintage synths are very limited, regarding what you can manage to create (sonically) with them.
"People suddenly getting 30 or 40 vintage synths completely stopped making music." Hey, I feel attacked! ;-) ;-) But seriously, I'm making longer term plans... thinking of building a studio out north of the house as my whole downstairs is just overflowing. Also, nice shirt! ;-)
Outstanding video!! Yes, very true! I actually spend more time adding to my collection than playing the instruments! Sometimes they don't leave the boxes for months. You have greatly inspired me to reassess my situation. Counselling maybe, for the illness?? Moving forward to checking out the rest of your videos. Cheers!!
Cheers! :D
Love it Espen!! I wish you did this video before all the great videos of synth gear you've done over the years which led me down the path to reason #6!! "Buying your first vintage synth will definitely not be your last..." Amen! That Korg Wave station A/D rack seemed innocent enough at the time... Now I have no room in my basement!
I own a nice mixture of newer and vintage synths. I absolutely love my old gear. Great memories of the glory days and all that business. But I've found that when I'm actually working on something that needs to get done, I almost always use my newer gear. While an SQ-80 has a fantastic lo-fi quality, I can make most of those sounds on my Prophet 12 in a faction of the time, just from the knobby interface and better ergonomics. Same with my TR-626. Love it. But the TR-8S has all those sounds and is easier and quicker to use.
Hi Espen,
I agree a hundred percent. I already told myself I’d never but another vintage but often I can’t resist... and after a certain age, you can no longer go after small issues here and there, you want a great sound, period! But it’s a hard to keep decision, also because I already imagine another 6 reasons to BUY a vintage...
I’ll check you next 6 reasons video and feel pretty confident I’ll agree to it as well 😃.
BTW, thank you for making them !!!
My first keyboard was my Moog Source I bought used with money I saved from a summer paper rout back in 1986. Soon after I bought a PolyMoog, and Ensoniq Mirage and a Korg VC-10 Vocoder. I sold everything but the Moog Source. The Polymoog was just too big, heavy, non-MIDI one-trick pony. The Korg Vocoder would only work if you sang falsetto into the mic so I traded it for a SCI SixTrack. Sold that too. I sold the Mirage to a friend so I could get a new EPS (still have this). Love your videos! Keep it up!
Me to brian during the 80’s & 90’s had a moog source, 808, oberhiem dx, linndrum & sequential drum tracks, korg poly 61 & Casio fZ1 and korg M1. Sold everything due to financial reasons & just couldn’t afford to repair them. The moog & korg 61 would start playing out of tune after about an hour. The drum machines were a pain as sometimes the eprom sockets & pins would get damaged after changing the sounds. The 808 was ok, so was the korg m1, the casio fz1’s buttons would sometimes get stuck.
Greetings Espen. I totally agree with the price aspect, since any vintage synth you find on ebay are already in the break down stage, and you don't know really on a quality level what you will receive if you do decide to pay the exorbitant price for it, unless the add on ebay says it has been serviced or refurbished, but still, the price war for vintage gear is crazy. I bought a Roland Jupiter 6 back in 1984 when they first arrived at the stores for $2,135.00. They are going for 7 grand on ebay at present. All the best for 2022!
so accurate! i am in the same boat lol ! maintenance,space issues,collector! i'm DOOMED! that video is spot on haha
My only regret is selling off my old gear back in the 1990’s. Especially my Yamaha CS40M & Jupiter 4
Selling the old cs ( also the new ones, 90s virt analog) is a sacrilege 😰
I have only the cs15 but I love it so much.a week ago I played a cs 5 with a tc electronic m350 efx proccesor ,very nice little synth toi
I had a Jupiter 4 as well - £1200 in 1980(?) - boy do i wish i still had it
Sold my CS80 recently .. Due to at least 3 reasons mentioned in this vid. No Regrets.
Cs40m wasn't that great , bulky , heavy , weak filter , ringmod that isn't tuneable to the keyboard cv and quite unstable tracking for a hz/v synth
The maintenance thing is definitely a much bigger issue now than it used to be for a lot of the 80s gear. At this point I literally have a notepad keeping a running tally of technical faults to fix when I've got some free time.
Another issue is how much vintage gear has previous... um, "repairs" that you need to deal with when you go inside. I've spent a lot of tech time undoing horrific hack jobs on old gear!
Great explanation! What i see in last decade and i spent lot of time watching, a bunch of gear reviewers (synth influencers) reviewing the gear and making blips and bops, no melody, no arrangements. Then No-DAW purists, also without knowing a single scale or sense of melody. Many of them using $$$$$ modular-euroracks without a taste or any musicality, with senseless loops and wow, a filter sweeps, so cool (not). All them fall apart when compared to a musician like Mitch Murder who makes brilliant albums using Korg and Roland soft synths, and not so the latest and most expensive gear. And btw Espen, you are one of few, brilliant composer and a synth professor.
Points 1 & 2 were the main reasons I decided to go for the Roland D-05 Boutique over hunting down a Used D-50. I later discovered that due to its much smaller size that it made a really nice portable synth for playing on my lunch break at work.
I have to admit that i am more a collector than a musician at the moment. Over time i have collected over 50 vintage synths and modules. It's hard to find time to connect and work with them. I am a technician, so keep them in good working order, i do not need to pay a lot, only the components. I am looking forward to see the next video, why you should buy vintage synths😊
As you came to the later items on your list I reached my hand out and stroked a Korg DSS1 that I haven’t played in years. Your cautions are all valid.
You forgot one thing on collecting synths... Some may collect synths as investments, as in vintage cars. As you said, they should be used. Nice vid
Couldn't agree more. I have been buying and selling synths since the late 70s. Love em, but really, unless you bought one a long time ago, and can now sell it for a massive prophet (joke spelling), you're assumptions are spot on. I can't tell you how many (awesome) pieces of gear I've had to get repaired over the years. Also, the earliest ones don't stay in tune well, many don't have presets, and - another serious consideration, they are all MONO. So even if you're not into a lot of effects, you'll never get those awesome phat sounds you're accustom to, from gear, without a lot of outboard processing, etc.......... I loved all my vintage gear (and I had a SHIPLOAD), but times change, and so does our workflow and sonic requirements..... Great video....I'll make some time to check out more of what you've uploaded..... (if you're interested, I've recently been uploading some Virus videos....(the synth, not the international drama)
Cheers!
Spot on Espen!
I have a lucky 7th of my own...
Try gigging with them!!!
I carry 125kg+ of equipment and cases not including amplification.
Like you say it’s dry, so I need a tonne of rack gear to support my synths to get the sound I’m after.
I’m looking forward to the next instalment!!!
Quality video Sir.
As someone who started collecting during the late 80s, service, repairs and maintenance had always been a big issue for me, I felt obliged to keep everything fully operational, all of the time.
But, for the last 3yrs I've refused to get my ailing machines repaired, and have instead decided to spend my money on new gear instead, Dreadbox - for their Radiophonic sound, and the Roland ACB stuff is superb IMHO, and often cheaper than what the cost of a vintage repair bill would be...
If I wasn't retired, and still earning the money, I wouldn't hesitate to get the old casualties serviced, - but the current alternatives to vintage are every bit, just as good, IMO.
The choice available today is staggering, - an MPC, a System-8, TR-8, a few Roland Boutiques, some Doepfer stuff and The Dreadbox Nyx2, Erebus V3 units, cover so much sonic ground, for such little cost, in comparison, I feel investing in 80s and 90s gear is coming to an end, especially as our generation is getting older.
Love to ALL, feel no hate
Good idea for a video (and for the follow-up video you describe)! Number 6 is such an important one. There is just something about getting that first vintage synth (although I've had mine since they were new) that makes you want more and forget to use what you have. Synth acquisition syndrome (SAS) spreads with minimal contact.
Known as GAS originally, gear not only sinths
@@borisangeloffsimeonoff1288 Yes, I was playing on that term, creating a new one specific to synths. I also struggle with term acquisition syndrome (TAS). Thanks for your critical insight, Boris.
Thank you for share your thoughts, It's so useful to be advised for someone who really knows the business before commit. I think the first question you need to ask yourself is: why digital synths have become so popular?. The answer is very simple: you can save time, money and a lot of issues proper of vintage gears. So, it doesn't mean is good or bad, but just be aware about pros and cons.
A thought provoking video. To be honest I never quite understood the lust for vintage gear. The only thing I really really wanted was a TB-3 but the little Behringer box is close enough to satisfy that itch. If I was ever to get the urge to develop an addiction to synthesizers I think I would slip down the modular hole.
A lot of synthesizers are a huge hindrance to the creative process of making music. I fully agree with you.
yes, I thought this would be one of the reasons - it's really understated how much more difficult it was to sequence multiple hardware instruments together back in the day. Maybe that fits under 'logistics' - unbelievable how great tangerine dream sounds with Atari ST sequenced music but trying to do it like that today would be... daunting
Totally agree. Specially when we talk about vintage analog synths, which are the most expensive and difficult to fix and to maintenance.
My synths actually are:
-Alesis Micron
-Kawai K4
-Casio CZ-1000
-Korg DS-8
I think I have more than enough, and as you say, I prefer to make music than to "collect" them.
A few years ago, I was considering to buy a Polysix, Juno, Akai AX60, etc. But I finally didn't.
I think there are some great and much more cheaper and advanced analog synths actually (Minilogue, Deepmind, etc) that really worth it much more than most of these vintage synths.
New keyboards or synths are huge not just vintage ones.
My first expensive synth was a Matriarch. I wanted the “vintage” Moog sound. I even made an album with a friend using it.
Then I bought a Subsequent 37 and embraced the modern Moog sound.
While vintage synths and vintage sounds are great, I prefer more modern sounding synths like the Subsequent and the Prologue. And yeah, the Matriarch is a modern synth, but it seems everyone is chasing a vintage sound.
I did keep a Moog Grandmother because it kinda sounds like a Prodigy, but I’m down to an analog drum machine (clone of a 909), Subsequent 37, Prologue, and Arturia Pigments. Honestly, it’s a bit excessive for a person who isn’t a working musician.
Great video!
Cheers!
Good video! I didn't know you had a Jupiter 8. Welcome to the club if you just got it.
I'm getting rid of some of my gear that don't get played. Not the good vintage analog stuff. Some old Ensoniq stuff.
Message for us older guys out there buying up stuff to play when we retire and have time. Play it NOW!! Make time and use it. Nobody is guaranteed to live to see that day and if you don't then someone else will have to deal with your stuff. They will sell it for someone else to enjoy. One of my brothers died right after he retired. The other brother and sister have been fighting cancer since retirement. Can't enjoy your gear if you are dead or fighting illness. So considering my older siblings fortunes I'm gonna play my stuff to death (pun intended) as often as I can. I play keys in a band (need a new profile pic) and I just bought a Roland VR-730 and I'm gonna wear that thing out!!
Looking forward to your next video. BTW, reason for buying vintage synths: You know how to service / fix them and you have the test gear to do it. That's me. ;-)
Yes great advice Espen; I would add that if you're thinking of buying a vintage synth, ask yourself why - do you want it just because it's vintage or because you want/need the specific sound for your music? Also, learn the basics of reading circuit diagrams and soldering/desoldering so you can do basic repairs & maintenance!