I wouldn't call this one a paperweight. It is a nice machine and it works. You just have to be OK with its limitations. For someone like me it would do a great job because I want to play standard CDs and standard DVD movies. I'm more than OK with this. I think that you should hold of it until you find the right customer, because throwing out a perfectly usable machine is wasteful.
@@WolfmanDude Because I like how it looks, it'll fit my home theater system well and I won't play recorded discs on it. I already have a DVD movie collection that I gathered throughout the years and I need a player for those. Why would I ever want to record discs now? We have 4K blu-rays (and streaming, but I like physical media), we've got large enough flash drives and HDDs are cheap. The player is built right into your TV.
@@WolfmanDude This being so early and high-end is a historical piece, belongs to a museum. It's built like a tank, and you won't find many DVD players with an R-core power transformer instead of a switch mode power supply. It has its firmware in a socketed UV EPROM instead of an SMD Flash-ROM, so it's easy to make a backup of it. I would not use this regularly, but I would definitely keep it as an eye candy shelf queen, with occasional use. Until it's not ran-down, this will outlast 90+% of all DVD players in storage. I already have a Sony DVD Recorder from ~ 2007 which is failed due to bit rot: the firmware got corrupted in the flash after only ~12 years. This is the destiny of all modern devices which holds the firmware in flash memory. The bigger the flash capacity, the sooner it develops dementia. Todays flash memories (memory cards, thumb drives and SSDs) can't reliably hold their data even for 5 years without power. Old, small capacity flash memories from the early '90s usually still hold their data after 30+ years (Tektronix TDS210 comes into mind).
@@WolfmanDude Because it's a work of art and will only go to landfill before its time. I myself only use DVD+R when archiving. I barely touch DVD-R with a bargepole.
Fun fact: the earliest 7000's can play all region discs and disable Macrovision. There were slide switches inside that could disable the MV and Region locks. Check the manufacture date on the back -- March and April 1997 units all have the switches and some of the May 1997 units.
Never had a problem playing any discs with mine, *but* we are talking 1997 here, the bleeding edge of DVD so I’m sure I just didn’t run into the “out of spec” discs in my travels. I had a super early one that had the region disable switches inside. I just liked how well it was made, it was a damn near ES level component and made a fantastic audio player (quality wise).
Every one of these that we sold had issues. Firmware upgrades via chip change solved some but not all. Even changing the entire transport didn't help. Doorstop.
@@12voltvids I’m trying to remember how I even came across mine. I KNOW I didnt pay the absurd retail price… I think you were right, it was 1799 or 1999 something like that. I must have bought this at a pawn shop or one of my earliest eBay purchases maybe 2000 or 01. I was happy with it but sold it fast because clearly I don’t have it anymore.
This player is not compatible with DVD-R (if I remember correctly it is also explicitly written in the user manual). However, it reads burned CDs without problems. I can confirm this as the owner of a DVP S 7700.
User manual also states that it is only compatible with discs that explicitly confirm with the dvd spec and discs out of spec will not play. Has to do with disc eccentricity, track pitch, jitter ect. So perfect discs play perfectly and the rest is a crap shoot. In other words it's shitty player with a great picture if it plays the disc.
Power supply. Easier to swap out depending on 240 or 230 or 220 or 120 or 110 or 100 vac mains. Assembly line convenience while keeping units trapped to their destination regions.
As a kid, our first DVD player in 2001 was a black Sony DVP-NS300. That thing costed $200 and was huge. It only liked to play stamped discs CD, VCDs and DVDs. Nothing else. It was a good player that lasted a while till about 2006 or 2007.
Don't throw it out, ship it to me! I use one via digital out for CD and it's been very reliable over the last several years; one interesting thing about this player is that, as the first reference player by Sony, it was not subject to the chroma bug that plagued many many early DVD players.
I ended up getting a DVP-S7700 as my first player and was very happy with it. It still had the issue of not supporting DVD-R but that was fine with me since I only purchased +R media exclusively. Unfortunately, it appears the DVD portion of the laser pick-up went dead a few years later and that was a bummer. I have since acquired a DVP-S300 that uses the same pick-up and will eventually do a swap to get my 7700 working again.
@@12voltvids A year later came the European PAL models: 315, 715 and 7700. They were very good, but none of them were compatible with CD-R. Many people were disappointed of that.
Wow! That is one early DVD player. Huge one too, no wonder the guy thought it was a home theatre unit. I think I've only seen a Toshiba one older than that. The Saint Vincent de Paul thrift store by me in Victoria BC had a vintage Sony DVD player but they wanted $35, and it had no remote. Does that machine in your video have component out? Or does it predate that?
Hi from the UK really enjoy video repairs, are you using stereo mics as audio bounces between left and right I use headphones on tablet because of hearing problems, have managed to unjam my video and DVD player a couple of time using your videos for reference many thanks for all the hard work you put into your content.
Well considering i am using a stereo mic audio moving between channels as I move is expected. I have done videos with a lavaleer mic and I get people complaining that it's too boomy so can't please everyone. I messed up on the last video with the wireless mic. Mic had been left on and battery was low. Didn't notice that it shut off till I went to edit. Will never see that video because there is no audio. I will have to go and dub voice over for the entire thing. So I may not even bother publishing it.
Shows what you know. Disk surface is not in focus. I was just making sure there wasn't any dust not that it makes a difference on a player that isn't going to play dvd r
I have a Sony 300 disc DVD player that I picked up at a drift store very nice unit I always wanted one of them but it would not play home recorded DVD or CD discs it just plays commercially recorded ones I was so disappointed since we all have home burned cd’s and dvd’s
I also got a 300 disk dvd which I will test today. If it doesn't play burned it will also be going away. Most of my discs are dvd r, as I have had a recorder for over 25 years and have quite the library of discs I have recorded.
6:11 It is categorically impossible to read a CD using a red laser - the entire operating principle relies on the pits being exactly 1/4 the wavelength of the laser light (corrected for the different refractive index of polycarbonate) so that destructive interference attenuates the reflected beam from pits, while reflections from lands are not attenuated. CD uses a pit depth designed for 780nm infrared. DVD uses 650nm deep red.
Sony actually didn't start to use a one lens dual laser pickup until after the fourth generation, if I'm not mistaken. Models like the DVP-S330, the DVP-S360, and the DVP-NS300 couldn't read CD-Rs, using a simple one lens/one laser pickup. But, yeah, absolutely no problem reading CD-RW discs. It would not be until around the 5th generation, starting with the DVP-NS305, that Sony DVD players would have the ability to read CD-Rs, though only those discs recorded in a format the player would support (music CDs in CD-A red book standard and MPEG video CDs of the supported video standard in compliance with the CD white book). Pioneer made players around that time that uses a dual-wave pickup and their picture quality was decent, though not quite as good as some of their competition. But they tended to be fairly reliable, otherwise. And, of course, they made their DVL series LD/DVD/CD players. Mechanical monstrosities based on the Gamma-Turn dual-side-play design that were very much jack-of-all trades for performance on the discs they could play. I owned a DVL-700, which had decent LD performance, but was fairly clunky with DVDs. The successor models, starting with the DVL-909, were much better with DVD support and performance. Toshiba was decent, but they did tend to develop mechanical problems because of a gear that kept splitting, which was press-fitted onto a motor that was used for running the gear train for moving the pickup back and forth on the traverse. Panasonic probably made the best DVD players for picture quality, but their optical pickups absolutely SUCKED at the time. I personally owned a DVD-A110 that I had to turn in to Panasonic for an extended warranty repair. Got a few more years out of it before it started to have the same problems again. They would go on to use a dual-wave pickup that was much better in reliability, but then they went cheap elsewhere that made them unreliable. You know those players, like the DVD-RV30, which has a driver chip that overheats. JVC players of the older generations used Panasonic pickups, so they had the same problems but with worse picture quality. Sanyo and Fisher players? Okay, but they didn't have the best picture and they didn't have the best laser pickups. Philips players? They were decent, but their disc drives weren't the most reliable. RCA and ProScan players? They sucked. Go figure. Samsung players and the models they made for some other brands, such as Hitachi and GE? They sucked. LG players and the models they made for some other brands, like Aiwa and Zenith (a brand which LG owned at the time)? They were just barely okay ... if they didn't just suck. Then I remember when Apex Digital came to the market with their very capable DVD players at rock bottom prices, but not without quality issues and with some of the worst picture and sound quality for DVD-Video.
About 15 years ago I had an old LG computer DVD burner drive. Literally almost every month it got better at reading disc. They were releasing new fw updates regularly on their web pages. You just had to launch the update .exe file in Windows (maybe was DOS-only, cannot remember). Kinda a neat feature.
I've run into DVDs that were purposely out of spec. They used this as a form of copy protection. On some players they kept asking for the parental password. Even though the parental controls were not enabled or even setup. It would not surprise me if the kids DVDs were the same.
This was Sony's first ever DVD playe, there were no other DVD players before this one, and it came out in April 1997. Just keep it as a museum piece Dave
I had the lower end one that was just behind it. The DVPS3000 (released a within a few of this one). It also had the dual pickup. I think it was only missing the drop down panel and the component video output (S-Video and composite only). Never had an issue with any titles from the major studios. I only had it two to three years though.
Hello. I have had this machine since it came out on the market and my experience with DVD-Rs and CD-Rs is varied. After many tests, my unit plays almost all recorded DVDs. If they are single-sided (4.7 GB), they are DVD-Rs and have been recorded at a maximum speed of 4X. Something similar happens with CDs, only 600 Mb CD-Rs and at a maximum speed of 8X. I usually use Verbatin discs, but it has worked for me with some other brands. On one occasion, it wouldn't play some original CDs. I thought it might be because of the CD's anti-copy system. I burned it onto a CD-R and the problem was solved. I hope my experience is of some use to someone. Not much is lost by doing some tests. Regards.
I'm pretty sure the linear PSU is for analog section of the player and switching PSU is for digital.. Maybe this is the reason for the "best" picture quality you mentioned?
Expensive, alright. My first DVD player was bought in 2002, Apex brand. I don't recall the price, but I think it was less than $200. Maybe less than $100?. Buying stuff early can cost more. I realize the Sony is better quality, but I can't afford that level of quality at that price. Interesting!
Early adopter always pay, because they are paying for the engineering and production costs. After the design has been paid off the price drops. This is sometimes a double-edged sword because after the first generation run manufacturers try to look for corners to cut so they can cut their production costs and that's bringing down the price and many times you end up with a lower quality product then the initial one. The exception to this rule was things like VCRs though and even DVD players they got so cheap because of mass production scale and yes he did cut a lot of corners but they actually improved the design by reducing the number of actual parts when you look at this machine and you see all those chips where those are all potential points of failure as are all those surface product capacitors and every other little part that's in there in the current realm of DVD Blu-ray players everything's done by one chip basically and a couple of support components And they're generally per reliable other than the mechanical parts like the motors that can wear out and lasers that can fail the rest of the circuit is pretty much bulletproof
I would try to sell it. There may be people around wanting such a player for stamped DVDs just to put it in a stack with other Sony equipment. If it wasn't in the US with all the shipping costs, I could have bought this one.
My first DVD player was a Sony probably around 2000 . It was probably one of their cheap models at three hundred and some change . It had issues with a lot of discs . Movies would start , but the picture would be really messed up , mostly green if I remember correctly . Disney discs especially would do this , I specifically remember Treasure Planet would not play correctly . My PlayStation 2 also had a lot of issues with DVDs , it eventually stopped playing them altogether and had to be sent back for service under warranty .
Shame I know about these players as would be interesting to know exactly what caused this fault? I know Sony blamed poor quality discs but some say the frequency of the lasers was narrowed?
It was first gen and not forgiving. Just like cd pressing there were good plants and bad ones. Same can be said for vinyl. Some pressings were excellent and others garbage. Back in the day if you got a record that was pressed on virgin vinyl it sounded pretty good but most were not most were Pressed on recycled vinyl. How it used to work was the record company's woodpress a goodillion copies of a record and it was shipped them out to all the record stores across the country where they would go on sale. Records that became hit sold at gazillion copies but others that didn't sat there on the shelves and the retailers did not want to be stuck with vinyl that they could not sell so the record companies would take the vinyl back that didn't sell and give the store a credit for unsold merchandise this vinyl that came back was ground up melted and made into a new record. What they did was shred the record and turn it into a new puck the problem was that this recycled vinyl because it had already been heated and pressed once have lost a lot of its characteristics that new vinyl had it became stiffer more brittle and just sounded harsh. Some specialty record companies like mobile Fidelity sound lab who would make their own master and cut it at half speed and use heavy Virgin vinyl actually promoted that fact and that's why they charged a premium back in the day a regular lp could be had at the record store for typically $3.99 but a mobile Fidelity pressing of the same title will set you back 30 bucks now this is back in the 1970s and early 80s. Paying 30 bucks back then for a vinyl would be the equivalent of paying probably about $200 today maybe motr because if you've seen The price the sum of this new garbage vinyl sells for, Was it a local retailernot that long ago that sells finals and could not believe 30 to $40 being the price for a disk today unbelievable. Not that I would ever buy one because a digital version of the music sounds so much better than they could ever get out of vinyl. I know I'm gonna draw fire from those that believe that vinyl sounds better and some did back in the early 80s when record companies did not master CD copies correctly because they were being cheapand use the same tape that the analog versions used but a modern digital recording delivered on CD Cannot be compared to an analog copy and anyone who thinks an analog copy sounds better really does need to get their hearing checked. I'm in my 60s and even to my old ears I can tell the difference and I've never heard a vinyl sound as good as a good CD I've heard final sound as good as a pearly mastered CD from the early 80s but anything modern forget it. And way back to the pressing plants. There was a pressing plant in Canada called cinram That was notorious for turning out poorly pressed discs. Both CD and DVD And this particular player had a lot of problems playing those disks even with the upgraded firmware which is on an E prom chip that you actually unplugged from the board and pop a new one in. I say mentioned in the video we had a couple of it we're bought back in 97 and they will play most disks but not all and of course it was Always the electronic babysitter the kids disks that had the most Problems And those customers were generally the biggest a holes because when you've got a screaming kid that screaming that his disc doesn't play that gets on the parent's nerves and Then the parent comes in with the DVD player and screams at the service people because they're a piece of c*** won't play this piece of junk disk. Fortunately because of the price of this machine not a lot of them were sold there was a lot of people that held off until cheaper models came out and the cheaper models had the out of spec disk problems pretty much solved and they played pretty much all of them but this was a nice machine as a collectible piece because of its vintage but it's a practical piece for playing disks it's not really that much use.
An exceptionally expensive player in its day because it was Sony's top of the line and it was a first generation model for North America: a double-whammy. And it would share some of the same issues with disc readability with lower end Sony models of the same generation as well as with the successor DVP-S7700 because of the use of Sony's rather complex and very expensive KHS-180A dual lens optical pickup. And now? What's the use of owning the DVP-S7000 ... and, for that matter, the DVP-S7700? The one thing that's cool about this machine, the motorized dropdown face, is just a cosmetic gimmick that yields no value where it counts. You can get superior A/V performance from a mid-range Blu-Ray Disc machine from the usual suspects like Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Panasonic ... even Sony, themselves. Sucks to admit that, but it's true. I own a DVP-S7700, and it's had disc readability issues to the point where it's now sitting in a closet for parts. When it works, it was great but, damn it, it wasn't reliable. Considering that the DVP-S7000 uses the same exact disc drive ... just that it's not mounted on the center like it is for the DVP-S7700 ... it figures.
only thing it is good for is as a parts machine for the onobtainable chips in case (probably very rare case) you get a macine for repair that has a faulty chip or laser.....
I had two Sony players fail on me after a year roughly, one was a DVD player and one was a BD player. They had something in common though… both models were the S360 of DVD and BD player lines. Moral of story is don’t buy Sony models that contain S360. 😂
Hello friend, you should find out more about elbsony dvps7000 and the 77700 is a reference player for any audiophile to play original CDs and ben 2024 DVD is no longer used, let alone DVD - r for that streaming and this equipment is excellent and was designed for original anti-piracy protection in 1997 and believe me it replaces any US$1,500 reference CD player
Definitely wouldn't call it a paperweight. It's a nice machine, even though it's limited. Hey, if you don't want it, there's always the Bay. Just put retro/rare in the title and you're in the money!
I don’t care about recordable cd &dvd, always found it a crap format, especially dvd-r/+r. This player would do fine for me now. My dvp-s725 also doesn’t play cdr, but it does play dvdr.
I don't own more than about 10 dvds but have ober over 1000 dvd-r as I have my production content on disc plus I was a very early adopter of recordable dvd and did all my time shift recording on DVD ram. Tons of stuff recorded from my old satellite dishes on dvd r. For me playing recorded discs or in the trash it goes. When I said 1000 discs its probably closer to 2000 all in paper sleeves stored in boxes. I have tons in AVCHD too which is hd on a dvd playable on bluray player.
Makes an excellent CD player. Have had 3 7700s and one of these, never one issue. No one should be using any DVD player from 1997 to play burnt discs anyway thats just silly. So theyre all using composite? And if that makes it a hard sell im not sure who your market is because I have sold one 7700 no problem...as a CD player predominantly because thats what it should be used for at this point.
It has component out and that is as good as dvd got. 480p. Problem is new tvs don't always have analog inputs. As a cd player however this is about as good as it gets. Easily matches the es cd players.
@@12voltvids Thats all true. But for me when it comes to DVD unless I'm trying to stay period correct in a certain setup I just use those boring plastic Sony BDPs with the usb on the front. Dime a dozen and perfect BD picture and pseudo HD quality via HDMI for the old 480p discs.
I remember almost all first generation Japanse dvd player brands in the Netherlands did not play cd-r and dvd-r, while the cheap Korean and Chinese brand did. Same with mp3. Many people suspected that the brands did it to prevent piracy.
Lots of restrictions by recording industry and motion picture studios which as you know were owned by companies like Sony. Sony owned paramount for example. So yes piracy was a concern. Why do you think we never saw stand alone bluray recorders in North America. They had them in Japan.
@@12voltvids You don't have standalone Blu-ray recorders over there? Panasonic make them, I'm in the UK and about to upgrade to one. I'm getting an older model however as the latest one doesn't have analogue inputs, only for recording TV.
Wonder if theres a mod you can do to get it to play other disc types? i bet you could do it dave, would make a great video. I know a lot of old sony machines would ONLY play stamped discs from the 1998-1999 era, the DVP-S725D is another example. sony were bastards for doing this, they were heavily into copy protection, on certain revisions of the DVP-S725D when you playback a music disc it shuts off the digital ouputs
It doesn't play cdrw audio cd, so how will it play vcd on cdrw? It has to be able to read the disc before it can play and when I loaded a cdrw it didn't even attempt to read
Not surprising. Sony did DVD+R for being, well... Sony (read: spite). This is why I do not burn content on DVD+R🚫 Edit: The very first DVD player I procured was Mustek (do not remember the model). Bought in 1999. Could read both -R & +R. Even though +R didn't existed back then. Sony is one of those "our way, or no way" büllshit0 companies. like Honda.
Pioneer invented dvd r. They had the first burners our. Philips and Sony were working on a recordings format with a what they hoped would be the standard. Technical problems meant they were late to the party and dvd-r got established
DVD+R is the superior format Vs DVD-R. It nearly has the capabilities of DVD-RAM simply because it has massively more accurate addressing allowing byte accurate reading and writing, which DVD-R can't do, although some PC drives managed to fudge it to make DVD-R a bit better in that regard. It also has a much more robust error correction system and crucially is more compatible with older players as the DVD Book Type is set to DVD-ROM as standard. Older players don't understand DVD-R as the disc book type is simply unknown to them, they have no idea what a DVD-R disc is when they read the book type as DVD-R. DVD+R, like in this example, gets around that issue by identifying itself as a DVD-ROM. The only thing you need then is compatibility with the pickup itself so that it can track etc, but much of that was done with firmware updates. I should point out that DVD+R was the additional later format. The principle format from these companies was DVD+RW, the "+" format was supposed to be rewritable from the start.
@@dlarge6502incorrect. The only advantage of dvd+rw is you don't need to finalize it to play back on drives that support it and dvd+r you can continue to add to the disk until it is full and it will play back. Once fibialized its locked. Dvd+rw you can unfibialize it and continue writing. Dvd -rw you have to erase the entire disc. Dvd ram is totally different however. On dvd ram if you have say 4 30 minute programs recorded. (2 hours) and you erase 1 and 3. You have now released 1 hour to be recorded. Dvd+rw you can only erase the track at the end. If you erase 1 and 3, they will be deleted and won't play but the space is jot recovered. If you delete 4 then the space that was occupied by 3 and 4 is usable but not the first one unless you erase the entire disc. -r and -rw was the original recordable format. Rw was late to the party because the RW alliance couldn't get the specs ironed out between the partner companies. RAM -r and -rw was done by pioneer as a set specification that admired to iso specs and dvd video specs and is generally far more conpatable with players than dvd+r. They are supposed to both be the same as far as compatability goes. Dvd+r did have dual layer discs and I have burned a few as avchd discs and they have been fine. I have a dl test disc in the bluray player next to my bench.
es un desastre todo, la opinion subjetiva queriendo usar ese aparato con discos grabados sin saber como, rayados, muy pobre el nivel y credibilidad de este tipo, pesimo.
I wouldn't call this one a paperweight. It is a nice machine and it works. You just have to be OK with its limitations. For someone like me it would do a great job because I want to play standard CDs and standard DVD movies. I'm more than OK with this. I think that you should hold of it until you find the right customer, because throwing out a perfectly usable machine is wasteful.
Today you have a massive choice of used DVD players for super cheap. Why put up with any limitations?
@@WolfmanDude Because I like how it looks, it'll fit my home theater system well and I won't play recorded discs on it. I already have a DVD movie collection that I gathered throughout the years and I need a player for those. Why would I ever want to record discs now? We have 4K blu-rays (and streaming, but I like physical media), we've got large enough flash drives and HDDs are cheap. The player is built right into your TV.
@@WolfmanDude This being so early and high-end is a historical piece, belongs to a museum. It's built like a tank, and you won't find many DVD players with an R-core power transformer instead of a switch mode power supply. It has its firmware in a socketed UV EPROM instead of an SMD Flash-ROM, so it's easy to make a backup of it. I would not use this regularly, but I would definitely keep it as an eye candy shelf queen, with occasional use. Until it's not ran-down, this will outlast 90+% of all DVD players in storage.
I already have a Sony DVD Recorder from ~ 2007 which is failed due to bit rot: the firmware got corrupted in the flash after only ~12 years. This is the destiny of all modern devices which holds the firmware in flash memory. The bigger the flash capacity, the sooner it develops dementia. Todays flash memories (memory cards, thumb drives and SSDs) can't reliably hold their data even for 5 years without power. Old, small capacity flash memories from the early '90s usually still hold their data after 30+ years (Tektronix TDS210 comes into mind).
@@WolfmanDude Because it's a work of art and will only go to landfill before its time. I myself only use DVD+R when archiving. I barely touch DVD-R with a bargepole.
Streaming can be lossy for films@@vdochev
Fun fact: the earliest 7000's can play all region discs and disable Macrovision. There were slide switches inside that could disable the MV and Region locks. Check the manufacture date on the back -- March and April 1997 units all have the switches and some of the May 1997 units.
This is March 97. If you didn't skip forward you would have known this. 😁
Never had a problem playing any discs with mine, *but* we are talking 1997 here, the bleeding edge of DVD so I’m sure I just didn’t run into the “out of spec” discs in my travels. I had a super early one that had the region disable switches inside.
I just liked how well it was made, it was a damn near ES level component and made a fantastic audio player (quality wise).
Every one of these that we sold had issues. Firmware upgrades via chip change solved some but not all. Even changing the entire transport didn't help. Doorstop.
@@12voltvids I’m trying to remember how I even came across mine. I KNOW I didnt pay the absurd retail price… I think you were right, it was 1799 or 1999 something like that. I must have bought this at a pawn shop or one of my earliest eBay purchases maybe 2000 or 01. I was happy with it but sold it fast because clearly I don’t have it anymore.
This player is not compatible with DVD-R (if I remember correctly it is also explicitly written in the user manual). However, it reads burned CDs without problems. I can confirm this as the owner of a DVP S 7700.
User manual also states that it is only compatible with discs that explicitly confirm with the dvd spec and discs out of spec will not play. Has to do with disc eccentricity, track pitch, jitter ect. So perfect discs play perfectly and the rest is a crap shoot. In other words it's shitty player with a great picture if it plays the disc.
Power supply. Easier to swap out depending on 240 or 230 or 220 or 120 or 110 or 100 vac mains.
Assembly line convenience while keeping units trapped to their destination regions.
As a kid, our first DVD player in 2001 was a black Sony DVP-NS300. That thing costed $200 and was huge. It only liked to play stamped discs CD, VCDs and DVDs. Nothing else. It was a good player that lasted a while till about 2006 or 2007.
I was a first adopter in 1997 and bought this unit. Worked great and no issues.
Don't throw it out, ship it to me! I use one via digital out for CD and it's been very reliable over the last several years; one interesting thing about this player is that, as the first reference player by Sony, it was not subject to the chroma bug that plagued many many early DVD players.
I ended up getting a DVP-S7700 as my first player and was very happy with it. It still had the issue of not supporting DVD-R but that was fine with me since I only purchased +R media exclusively. Unfortunately, it appears the DVD portion of the laser pick-up went dead a few years later and that was a bummer. I have since acquired a DVP-S300 that uses the same pick-up and will eventually do a swap to get my 7700 working again.
Amazing how complex the earliest dvd players were, similar to the earliest blu-rays, now they're all one chip with 3 wavelengths of laser in 1 pickup.
Yup
This DVD player was the model that Sony thought in which they tried to copy Technics, Yamaha, and B&O..... 🤔
Besides that this 7000 is older... The 7000 was Sony's first dvd player.
In north America. Dhr1000 was in Japan first.
@@12voltvids A year later came the European PAL models: 315, 715 and 7700. They were very good, but none of them were compatible with CD-R. Many people were disappointed of that.
@@12voltvids I think the DHR-1000 was a DV deck?
@@KR1275 7700 model is little different if you see box dimensions etc
Wow! That is one early DVD player. Huge one too, no wonder the guy thought it was a home theatre unit. I think I've only seen a Toshiba one older than that. The Saint Vincent de Paul thrift store by me in Victoria BC had a vintage Sony DVD player but they wanted $35, and it had no remote. Does that machine in your video have component out? Or does it predate that?
This is an early version of DVD with a dual lens pickup.
Junk.
Hi from the UK really enjoy video repairs, are you using stereo mics as audio bounces between left and right I use headphones on tablet because of hearing problems, have managed to unjam my video and DVD player a couple of time using your videos for reference many thanks for all the hard work you put into your content.
Well considering i am using a stereo mic audio moving between channels as I move is expected. I have done videos with a lavaleer mic and I get people complaining that it's too boomy so can't please everyone. I messed up on the last video with the wireless mic. Mic had been left on and battery was low. Didn't notice that it shut off till I went to edit. Will never see that video because there is no audio. I will have to go and dub voice over for the entire thing. So I may not even bother publishing it.
Get you a pa system mixer then you can have all your mics balanced to perfection. @@12voltvids
14:53 - Odd that it didn't even spin. How does it know that the disc is unreadable without spinning it?
It didn't spin cdrw but it did the others.
@@12voltvids I meant doesn't it have to spin the disc in order to know that it's not compatible?
The way cdrw reflects back it probably didn't get enough back
1:00 - It certainly has the *dimensions* of a 5-disc changer!
The guy that gave it to me said it was a 5 disk. Obviously he never plugged it in.
let me make sure the dvd is clean and continues to smear his finger prints all over the disc
Shows what you know. Disk surface is not in focus. I was just making sure there wasn't any dust not that it makes a difference on a player that isn't going to play dvd r
I have a Sony 300 disc DVD player that I picked up at a drift store very nice unit I always wanted one of them but it would not play home recorded DVD or CD discs it just plays commercially recorded ones I was so disappointed since we all have home burned cd’s and dvd’s
I also got a 300 disk dvd which I will test today. If it doesn't play burned it will also be going away. Most of my discs are dvd r, as I have had a recorder for over 25 years and have quite the library of discs I have recorded.
6:11 It is categorically impossible to read a CD using a red laser - the entire operating principle relies on the pits being exactly 1/4 the wavelength of the laser light (corrected for the different refractive index of polycarbonate) so that destructive interference attenuates the reflected beam from pits, while reflections from lands are not attenuated. CD uses a pit depth designed for 780nm infrared. DVD uses 650nm deep red.
21:50 - My guess is that one of the supplies is 'always on' so it can read the on-off switch!
Guys use them for high end cd transports
Sony actually didn't start to use a one lens dual laser pickup until after the fourth generation, if I'm not mistaken.
Models like the DVP-S330, the DVP-S360, and the DVP-NS300 couldn't read CD-Rs, using a simple one lens/one laser pickup. But, yeah, absolutely no problem reading CD-RW discs.
It would not be until around the 5th generation, starting with the DVP-NS305, that Sony DVD players would have the ability to read CD-Rs, though only those discs recorded in a format the player would support (music CDs in CD-A red book standard and MPEG video CDs of the supported video standard in compliance with the CD white book).
Pioneer made players around that time that uses a dual-wave pickup and their picture quality was decent, though not quite as good as some of their competition. But they tended to be fairly reliable, otherwise. And, of course, they made their DVL series LD/DVD/CD players. Mechanical monstrosities based on the Gamma-Turn dual-side-play design that were very much jack-of-all trades for performance on the discs they could play. I owned a DVL-700, which had decent LD performance, but was fairly clunky with DVDs. The successor models, starting with the DVL-909, were much better with DVD support and performance.
Toshiba was decent, but they did tend to develop mechanical problems because of a gear that kept splitting, which was press-fitted onto a motor that was used for running the gear train for moving the pickup back and forth on the traverse.
Panasonic probably made the best DVD players for picture quality, but their optical pickups absolutely SUCKED at the time. I personally owned a DVD-A110 that I had to turn in to Panasonic for an extended warranty repair. Got a few more years out of it before it started to have the same problems again. They would go on to use a dual-wave pickup that was much better in reliability, but then they went cheap elsewhere that made them unreliable. You know those players, like the DVD-RV30, which has a driver chip that overheats.
JVC players of the older generations used Panasonic pickups, so they had the same problems but with worse picture quality.
Sanyo and Fisher players? Okay, but they didn't have the best picture and they didn't have the best laser pickups.
Philips players? They were decent, but their disc drives weren't the most reliable.
RCA and ProScan players? They sucked. Go figure.
Samsung players and the models they made for some other brands, such as Hitachi and GE? They sucked.
LG players and the models they made for some other brands, like Aiwa and Zenith (a brand which LG owned at the time)? They were just barely okay ... if they didn't just suck.
Then I remember when Apex Digital came to the market with their very capable DVD players at rock bottom prices, but not without quality issues and with some of the worst picture and sound quality for DVD-Video.
Hi - what is a “stamped disk”?
Commercial pressed disk.
I would assume made at the factory it was stamped not burnt to like from a reader writer machine.
No HDMI output so even if it does play stamped discs well it wouldn't appeal to the average Joe. Plus it seems to be wobbly, does have a foot missing?
Not wobbly thats my bench. Worn spot from dragging heavy equipment
It looks like a very good cd player. Especially as a drive unit / transport.
For audio this is a great cd player
About 15 years ago I had an old LG computer DVD burner drive. Literally almost every month it got better at reading disc. They were releasing new fw updates regularly on their web pages. You just had to launch the update .exe file in Windows (maybe was DOS-only, cannot remember). Kinda a neat feature.
I've run into DVDs that were purposely out of spec. They used this as a form of copy protection. On some players they kept asking for the parental password. Even though the parental controls were not enabled or even setup. It would not surprise me if the kids DVDs were the same.
Didn’t Toshiba make the bad DVD players? The crappy one with the single bushing spindle motor?
This was Sony's first ever DVD playe, there were no other DVD players before this one, and it came out in April 1997. Just keep it as a museum piece Dave
It was the first sint dvd here in North America. They had one before this in Japan.
I had the lower end one that was just behind it. The DVPS3000 (released a within a few of this one). It also had the dual pickup. I think it was only missing the drop down panel and the component video output (S-Video and composite only). Never had an issue with any titles from the major studios. I only had it two to three years though.
Brandsmart $1000
It only play original dvd but not bootleg dvd but it did play video cds
Hello. I have had this machine since it came out on the market and my experience with DVD-Rs and CD-Rs is varied. After many tests, my unit plays almost all recorded DVDs. If they are single-sided (4.7 GB), they are DVD-Rs and have been recorded at a maximum speed of 4X. Something similar happens with CDs, only 600 Mb CD-Rs and at a maximum speed of 8X. I usually use Verbatin discs, but it has worked for me with some other brands. On one occasion, it wouldn't play some original CDs. I thought it might be because of the CD's anti-copy system. I burned it onto a CD-R and the problem was solved. I hope my experience is of some use to someone. Not much is lost by doing some tests. Regards.
I'm pretty sure the linear PSU is for analog section of the player and switching PSU is for digital.. Maybe this is the reason for the "best" picture quality you mentioned?
Possibly. It had a good accurate picture but the disc compatability was a real problem.
Expensive, alright. My first DVD player was bought in 2002, Apex brand. I don't recall the price, but I think it was less than $200. Maybe less than $100?. Buying stuff early can cost more. I realize the Sony is better quality, but I can't afford that level of quality at that price. Interesting!
Early adopter always pay, because they are paying for the engineering and production costs. After the design has been paid off the price drops. This is sometimes a double-edged sword because after the first generation run manufacturers try to look for corners to cut so they can cut their production costs and that's bringing down the price and many times you end up with a lower quality product then the initial one. The exception to this rule was things like VCRs though and even DVD players they got so cheap because of mass production scale and yes he did cut a lot of corners but they actually improved the design by reducing the number of actual parts when you look at this machine and you see all those chips where those are all potential points of failure as are all those surface product capacitors and every other little part that's in there in the current realm of DVD Blu-ray players everything's done by one chip basically and a couple of support components And they're generally per reliable other than the mechanical parts like the motors that can wear out and lasers that can fail the rest of the circuit is pretty much bulletproof
I would try to sell it. There may be people around wanting such a player for stamped DVDs just to put it in a stack with other Sony equipment. If it wasn't in the US with all the shipping costs, I could have bought this one.
I will list it for sale and see what happens
My first DVD player was a Sony probably around 2000 . It was probably one of their cheap models at three hundred and some change . It had issues with a lot of discs . Movies would start , but the picture would be really messed up , mostly green if I remember correctly . Disney discs especially would do this , I specifically remember Treasure Planet would not play correctly . My PlayStation 2 also had a lot of issues with DVDs , it eventually stopped playing them altogether and had to be sent back for service under warranty .
You should add this one to your collection, it was the first Sony DVD player to be released in the US. You might not find another one ever again.
Shame I know about these players as would be interesting to know exactly what caused this fault?
I know Sony blamed poor quality discs but some say the frequency of the lasers was narrowed?
It was first gen and not forgiving. Just like cd pressing there were good plants and bad ones. Same can be said for vinyl. Some pressings were excellent and others garbage. Back in the day if you got a record that was pressed on virgin vinyl it sounded pretty good but most were not most were Pressed on recycled vinyl. How it used to work was the record company's woodpress a goodillion copies of a record and it was shipped them out to all the record stores across the country where they would go on sale. Records that became hit sold at gazillion copies but others that didn't sat there on the shelves and the retailers did not want to be stuck with vinyl that they could not sell so the record companies would take the vinyl back that didn't sell and give the store a credit for unsold merchandise this vinyl that came back was ground up melted and made into a new record. What they did was shred the record and turn it into a new puck the problem was that this recycled vinyl because it had already been heated and pressed once have lost a lot of its characteristics that new vinyl had it became stiffer more brittle and just sounded harsh. Some specialty record companies like mobile Fidelity sound lab who would make their own master and cut it at half speed and use heavy Virgin vinyl actually promoted that fact and that's why they charged a premium back in the day a regular lp could be had at the record store for typically $3.99 but a mobile Fidelity pressing of the same title will set you back 30 bucks now this is back in the 1970s and early 80s. Paying 30 bucks back then for a vinyl would be the equivalent of paying probably about $200 today maybe motr because if you've seen The price the sum of this new garbage vinyl sells for, Was it a local retailernot that long ago that sells finals and could not believe 30 to $40 being the price for a disk today unbelievable. Not that I would ever buy one because a digital version of the music sounds so much better than they could ever get out of vinyl. I know I'm gonna draw fire from those that believe that vinyl sounds better and some did back in the early 80s when record companies did not master CD copies correctly because they were being cheapand use the same tape that the analog versions used but a modern digital recording delivered on CD Cannot be compared to an analog copy and anyone who thinks an analog copy sounds better really does need to get their hearing checked. I'm in my 60s and even to my old ears I can tell the difference and I've never heard a vinyl sound as good as a good CD I've heard final sound as good as a pearly mastered CD from the early 80s but anything modern forget it. And way back to the pressing plants. There was a pressing plant in Canada called cinram That was notorious for turning out poorly pressed discs. Both CD and DVD And this particular player had a lot of problems playing those disks even with the upgraded firmware which is on an E prom chip that you actually unplugged from the board and pop a new one in. I say mentioned in the video we had a couple of it we're bought back in 97 and they will play most disks but not all and of course it was Always the electronic babysitter the kids disks that had the most Problems And those customers were generally the biggest a holes because when you've got a screaming kid that screaming that his disc doesn't play that gets on the parent's nerves and Then the parent comes in with the DVD player and screams at the service people because they're a piece of c*** won't play this piece of junk disk. Fortunately because of the price of this machine not a lot of them were sold there was a lot of people that held off until cheaper models came out and the cheaper models had the out of spec disk problems pretty much solved and they played pretty much all of them but this was a nice machine as a collectible piece because of its vintage but it's a practical piece for playing disks it's not really that much use.
They tried to keep it as close to spec as pissible I assume, no fault tolerance, would be my guess
An exceptionally expensive player in its day because it was Sony's top of the line and it was a first generation model for North America: a double-whammy.
And it would share some of the same issues with disc readability with lower end Sony models of the same generation as well as with the successor DVP-S7700 because of the use of Sony's rather complex and very expensive KHS-180A dual lens optical pickup.
And now? What's the use of owning the DVP-S7000 ... and, for that matter, the DVP-S7700? The one thing that's cool about this machine, the motorized dropdown face, is just a cosmetic gimmick that yields no value where it counts.
You can get superior A/V performance from a mid-range Blu-Ray Disc machine from the usual suspects like Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Panasonic ... even Sony, themselves.
Sucks to admit that, but it's true. I own a DVP-S7700, and it's had disc readability issues to the point where it's now sitting in a closet for parts. When it works, it was great but, damn it, it wasn't reliable. Considering that the DVP-S7000 uses the same exact disc drive ... just that it's not mounted on the center like it is for the DVP-S7700 ... it figures.
I have a 3 Disc Pioneer CD/DVD changer. DV-C302D. I just use the CD part. Got it at goodwill for a good deal.
only thing it is good for is as a parts machine for the onobtainable chips in case (probably very rare case) you get a macine for repair that has a faulty chip or laser.....
Nobody will repair one if these dinosaurs.
I had two Sony players fail on me after a year roughly, one was a DVD player and one was a BD player. They had something in common though… both models were the S360 of DVD and BD player lines.
Moral of story is don’t buy Sony models that contain S360. 😂
Hello friend, you should find out more about elbsony dvps7000 and the 77700 is a reference player for any audiophile to play original CDs and ben 2024 DVD is no longer used, let alone DVD - r for that streaming and this equipment is excellent and was designed for original anti-piracy protection in 1997 and believe me it replaces any US$1,500 reference CD player
I know it's a fantastic audio player and that js what these legacy players are great for. Its almost on par with my cdpx555es player.
Definitely wouldn't call it a paperweight. It's a nice machine, even though it's limited. Hey, if you don't want it, there's always the Bay. Just put retro/rare in the title and you're in the money!
I can't do the bay.
people always pick up free items even I have given away not-so-good TVs for free.
I don’t care about recordable cd &dvd, always found it a crap format, especially dvd-r/+r.
This player would do fine for me now. My dvp-s725 also doesn’t play cdr, but it does play dvdr.
I don't own more than about 10 dvds but have ober over 1000 dvd-r as I have my production content on disc plus I was a very early adopter of recordable dvd and did all my time shift recording on DVD ram. Tons of stuff recorded from my old satellite dishes on dvd r. For me playing recorded discs or in the trash it goes. When I said 1000 discs its probably closer to 2000 all in paper sleeves stored in boxes. I have tons in AVCHD too which is hd on a dvd playable on bluray player.
Sony players are damned reliable though
i have a Panasonic dmr e20 Dave you remember doing a belt change
I have 2 of them.
@@12voltvids yes i know do you have the black one would love to see it on your bench for a review
U$ 2,000 😮in 1997? 😵😵
It was around that on canada. Probably 1799us. Really expensive.
People spoiled today with cheap hardware. DVD was new technology and u pay for being an early adopter.
This was quite an expensive fail of Sony.
Makes an excellent CD player. Have had 3 7700s and one of these, never one issue. No one should be using any DVD player from 1997 to play burnt discs anyway thats just silly. So theyre all using composite? And if that makes it a hard sell im not sure who your market is because I have sold one 7700 no problem...as a CD player predominantly because thats what it should be used for at this point.
It has component out and that is as good as dvd got. 480p. Problem is new tvs don't always have analog inputs. As a cd player however this is about as good as it gets. Easily matches the es cd players.
@@12voltvids Thats all true. But for me when it comes to DVD unless I'm trying to stay period correct in a certain setup I just use those boring plastic Sony BDPs with the usb on the front. Dime a dozen and perfect BD picture and pseudo HD quality via HDMI for the old 480p discs.
@@3800TTypeyup i use a bluray player for all my disc playback.
Also never been a fan of sony products always had pioneer
I remember almost all first generation Japanse dvd player brands in the Netherlands did not play cd-r and dvd-r, while the cheap Korean and Chinese brand did. Same with mp3. Many people suspected that the brands did it to prevent piracy.
Lots of restrictions by recording industry and motion picture studios which as you know were owned by companies like Sony.
Sony owned paramount for example. So yes piracy was a concern. Why do you think we never saw stand alone bluray recorders in North America. They had them in Japan.
@@12voltvids You don't have standalone Blu-ray recorders over there? Panasonic make them, I'm in the UK and about to upgrade to one.
I'm getting an older model however as the latest one doesn't have analogue inputs, only for recording TV.
Wonder if theres a mod you can do to get it to play other disc types? i bet you could do it dave, would make a great video.
I know a lot of old sony machines would ONLY play stamped discs from the 1998-1999 era, the DVP-S725D is another example.
sony were bastards for doing this, they were heavily into copy protection, on certain revisions of the DVP-S725D when you playback a music disc it shuts off the digital ouputs
That was the us government that forced these copy protection and copy protection restrictions on the manufactures.
@@12voltvids Yea bloody dumb, you buy a device and can only use 75% of its capabilities, and the dumb record companies who spit their dummies out
Good Job, Dave
Thanks for your videos!
Typical Sony and the games they play…
It plays cd-rw video cd
It doesn't play cdrw audio cd, so how will it play vcd on cdrw?
It has to be able to read the disc before it can play and when I loaded a cdrw it didn't even attempt to read
@@12voltvids differentiates format
Not surprising. Sony did DVD+R for being, well... Sony (read: spite). This is why I do not burn content on DVD+R🚫
Edit: The very first DVD player I procured was Mustek (do not remember the model). Bought in 1999. Could read both -R & +R. Even though +R didn't existed back then. Sony is one of those "our way, or no way" büllshit0 companies. like Honda.
Pioneer invented dvd r. They had the first burners our. Philips and Sony were working on a recordings format with a what they hoped would be the standard. Technical problems meant they were late to the party and dvd-r got established
DVD+R is the superior format Vs DVD-R. It nearly has the capabilities of DVD-RAM simply because it has massively more accurate addressing allowing byte accurate reading and writing, which DVD-R can't do, although some PC drives managed to fudge it to make DVD-R a bit better in that regard. It also has a much more robust error correction system and crucially is more compatible with older players as the DVD Book Type is set to DVD-ROM as standard.
Older players don't understand DVD-R as the disc book type is simply unknown to them, they have no idea what a DVD-R disc is when they read the book type as DVD-R. DVD+R, like in this example, gets around that issue by identifying itself as a DVD-ROM. The only thing you need then is compatibility with the pickup itself so that it can track etc, but much of that was done with firmware updates.
I should point out that DVD+R was the additional later format. The principle format from these companies was DVD+RW, the "+" format was supposed to be rewritable from the start.
@@dlarge6502incorrect.
The only advantage of dvd+rw is you don't need to finalize it to play back on drives that support it and dvd+r you can continue to add to the disk until it is full and it will play back. Once fibialized its locked. Dvd+rw you can unfibialize it and continue writing. Dvd -rw you have to erase the entire disc. Dvd ram is totally different however. On dvd ram if you have say 4 30 minute programs recorded. (2 hours) and you erase 1 and 3. You have now released 1 hour to be recorded. Dvd+rw you can only erase the track at the end. If you erase 1 and 3, they will be deleted and won't play but the space is jot recovered. If you delete 4 then the space that was occupied by 3 and 4 is usable but not the first one unless you erase the entire disc. -r and -rw was the original recordable format. Rw was late to the party because the RW alliance couldn't get the specs ironed out between the partner companies. RAM -r and -rw was done by pioneer as a set specification that admired to iso specs and dvd video specs and is generally far more conpatable with players than dvd+r. They are supposed to both be the same as far as compatability goes. Dvd+r did have dual layer discs and I have burned a few as avchd discs and they have been fine. I have a dl test disc in the bluray player next to my bench.
I had the Philips DVD plus r recorder would read not much at all
es un desastre todo, la opinion subjetiva queriendo usar ese aparato con discos grabados sin saber como, rayados, muy pobre el nivel y credibilidad de este tipo, pesimo.