You did a great install. I liked how you wrapped your liner with the kao wool wrap ! Anytime you can when you do a liner is insulate it when possible. Excellent video from an old. dealer and installer!!!
This fire pit is one of a few covered pits that is on the list th-cam.com/users/postUgkxAU9pOCSV9Y5JprooHvfxTpOrt4hx8uRM of approved products for Disney Fort Wilderness. The product served its purpose well and provided excellent fires throughout the evening. We were able to open the door and do s'mores, but I had to be careful because the handle was a bit hot on occasions. Additionally, I wish they had replaced some of the standard nuts with lock nuts in some places. We lost the door handle after just a couple of days of usage. Not a deal breaker, just a recommendation. I still give it 5 stars.
Thank you for posting this bud. Your video helped me a lot in that it convinced me NOT to do this myself. Not in a bad way, but I could just tell in my situation, I rather pay a professional, but now I understand why I am and that it was worth the cost. Plus I like to know how my stove works so seeing how the flue is installed really helped. Thanks!
@@Mihogan yeah that's pretty reasonable I guess. I am hoping to add something like this to my recently acquired house. Are you pretty happy with the stove?
@@JDKline I am extremely happy! Even if it didn't save me a dime, I have decided I'll always have a stove in my house. The ambiance and toasty warmth is irreplaceable. But beyond that, I actually saved a ton of my heating bill this year, despite it being a much brutal winter. Just burning on weekends (3 days a week) I saved about $500 on heat this year. Doesn't sound like much but again, only part of the week, and I also relied on my oil heat for the remainder, it was colder, I traveled a lot (used oil on tstat), and oil went up in price. Good luck sir
We have a lot of customers that install these on their own. Following installation instructions for your unit as well as pipe installation is key. So that truly depends on you :)
More efficient in general, including the ability to insulate the flue. Masonry is great, but with an insert liner is always recommended to provide longevity to your stove, and reduces downdraft problems
I have a home built in 2006 with a pre-fab fireplace that I want to change out to a stove like you were showing. My fireplace has a double wall insulated "liner" from the fireplace to the roof. My question to you is why is it necessary to install a liner (inside the current liner)? Why can't a custom reducer be fabricated and put on the existing liner and connect the stove to the type liner you are demonstrating?
It truly depends on the reduction. If you are going from a 8" to 3" for example, you are better off getting the exact size than reducing. If you are going from 8" to 6" you could go that route.
Wonderful step by step video...Feel pretty good about installing ours now....Quick question please: does the liner come wrapped like yours was or is that an extra step we will need to do & with what material please? Also, we too live in a log home, with a fireplace that has a cracked ceramic flue, so thinking this is the best way to address it, as well as our high heating bills. Thank you very much. Kerrie (Please confirm it's okay to just put the liner right down into the ceramic flu that is cracked).
The insulation you see wrapped on the liner during installation is done before you feed it down your chimney. It doesn't come pre-wrapped, and is also purchased separately.
Thanks very much. We're tackling the project right now & your video was perfect because we too have a log home & rock fireplace. Cross your fingers all goes well. Best. Kerrie
Very nice video! Question, I have a wood burning fireplace with variable speed fan that I love and works really well but I would like to have a wood burner as a actual heat source besides my furnace. My question is I have been told that most likely a insert wouldn't work with a factory built fireplace. I haven't actually had a company come out yet but it seems I see a lot of these being installed on here with the same type of fireplace. I'm in Minnesota so we have plenty of days needing heat lol.
Wondering the same thing? I've seen guys put up durock or cement board, I've heard of folks putting Roxul insulation in there but if you removed the damper or left it open that's a pretty big gap of space and I'd assume a lot of heat loss going right up the old chimney area
That Roxul is suppose to be pretty fireproof and what I've seen people use, but I wondered if there is some fireproof kit or something to help seal up that space. I also wonder about the space on the sides of the liner at the the top of the chimney do you seal those spaces up as well up top? I would think cold air would come down into the old chimney.
So was that a zero clearance prefab fireplace by heatilator before you started? Did you knock all the brick off of it, and all the other guts of it. I have a heatilator and would like to do this as well. Thanks Mike
The original fireplace is a Masonry Fireplace with a Full Masonry Chimney incorporating a Terra Cotta Flue Liner; it was built with a Heat Form steel firebox that was "bricked in" to the structure when originally constructed. These steel Heat Form fireboxes were built by Heatilator years ago which often causes confusion. Since the 1970's, Heatilator is known for the Metal Zero Clearance/Prefab/Builder Box Fireplaces that are widely used in the building industry today. So, to answer your question, the fireplace in this video is a Masonry Fireplace, NOT a Prefab/Zero Clearance Fireplace. www.hearth.com/talk/wiki/heatform/
Hi I'm considering this for a new place I'm building. The faceplate is included to accommodate an existing fireplace opening...but i will be able to tailor the fireplace location to fit the unit. If I do that (dumb question I know) I would not need to use the faceplate at all (as long as I meet the clearance requirements?
No enough heat comes out of my fireplace. Based on some post, a wood burning stove produces more heat AND last longer, is that correct? Any benefits of a traditional fireplace over a wood burning stove?
+rs2519 It looks nicer and more inviting but that's about it. You'll get 15% or so of the fire heat into the room compared to 60+% with a wood burning stove.
What is it that is covering the chimney around the liner? How do you not lose heat from all of the space in the fireplace and chimney as the insert is way smaller than the fireplace?
If I call a company to install an insert I would expect him to take the damper down and do a total install from start to finish that seems to be your job obviously the fireplace needs to be cleaned out but when you ask a customer to take out the damper or leave it that’s up to you
The easiest time to install a unit is when the weather is warmer. Being on a roof in the middle of a Michigan winter with ice & wind isn't exactly the prime time for installation. Best way to show you all how to install is during warmer months, and you have to cure the stove with the first fire. Even if it's 85, this is part of the process during a proper installation. Hope that helps!
I have that same exact model and it keeps smoking up my house when I open it... when I look at the back of the insert from the inside the whole in the top rear is covered is that suppose to be...really need help
The person in the video represents a company that sells wood stoves. This type of company actually sells more stoves in the warmer months than in the dead of winter. So, he wanted to get the video posted ASAP to capture more sales.
Depends on the stove brand and size and whether or not you're doing the install or paying a company to do it. It can range from around $2,000 on the low end if you do the install yourself all the way up to around $7,000 for a very high end stove and a professional installation. I installed my own and the total cost was $4,300 for an Enviro Boston 1700 insert.
This install would never pass inspection in Massachusetts. The flue pipe needs to be 36" above the highest part of the roof within 10 feet for proper Draft. Not mention fire safety flue was mighty close to the peak of the roof. It's a miracle that roof never caught on fire. 🔥🔥
Yeah so don’t screw in to the terra cotta liner ever man I mean ever ever never ever!, got it man. Stop this horrible practice dude! Stop! One thing that may not be obvious. It looks like you capped the whole chimney from the looks of all the new mortar on top. It looks really new and super flat with zero slope to help water..moisture to run off of the top of the chimney, looks like it will all settle for as long as moisture wants to...creating what moisture creates and does best... bad things to your chimney and home. Any how when you were doing what you did to the top outside of the chimney maybe just maybe could have mortared in some bricks around the chimney out terra cotta. That would make the mounting surface bigger for the top plate. It also would give you the bricks to drill into for mounting the top plate and not the terra cotta. Hope that makes sense
What an informative + helpful video. Thank you!!
You did a great install. I liked how you wrapped your liner with the kao wool wrap ! Anytime you can when you do a liner is insulate it when possible. Excellent video from an old. dealer and installer!!!
This fire pit is one of a few covered pits that is on the list th-cam.com/users/postUgkxAU9pOCSV9Y5JprooHvfxTpOrt4hx8uRM of approved products for Disney Fort Wilderness. The product served its purpose well and provided excellent fires throughout the evening. We were able to open the door and do s'mores, but I had to be careful because the handle was a bit hot on occasions. Additionally, I wish they had replaced some of the standard nuts with lock nuts in some places. We lost the door handle after just a couple of days of usage. Not a deal breaker, just a recommendation. I still give it 5 stars.
when its cold do you pack it with logs for long hot burn
Thank you for the video. Was this the TR004 model Vogelzang?
Thank you for posting this bud. Your video helped me a lot in that it convinced me NOT to do this myself. Not in a bad way, but I could just tell in my situation, I rather pay a professional, but now I understand why I am and that it was worth the cost. Plus I like to know how my stove works so seeing how the flue is installed really helped. Thanks!
Hey Alec, how much did you have to pay to get this thing installed?
@@JDKline hey JD, I paid $2k
@@Mihogan yeah that's pretty reasonable I guess. I am hoping to add something like this to my recently acquired house. Are you pretty happy with the stove?
@@JDKline I am extremely happy! Even if it didn't save me a dime, I have decided I'll always have a stove in my house. The ambiance and toasty warmth is irreplaceable. But beyond that, I actually saved a ton of my heating bill this year, despite it being a much brutal winter. Just burning on weekends (3 days a week) I saved about $500 on heat this year. Doesn't sound like much but again, only part of the week, and I also relied on my oil heat for the remainder, it was colder, I traveled a lot (used oil on tstat), and oil went up in price. Good luck sir
@@Mihogan thanks for your review sir. I'm glad you are enjoying your stove!
Can you give us any guidance for installing a flexible flue in a wooden chimney chase (i.e. a wooden structure with no masonry material)?
Should i do this myself?
We have a lot of customers that install these on their own. Following installation instructions for your unit as well as pipe installation is key. So that truly depends on you :)
Wonderful video! Thanks for taking the time to make this! Makes it much easier to visualize what I have to do if I ever install an insert
Will it heat well without the blower running?
Very helpful video thank you. Thinking of getting same stove or us stove 2200i.
Is that installed into a Zero Clearance box?
Nice video. It would have been helpful to show the removal and installation of the firebrick.
If you have a perfectly good chimney what is the purpose of putting a chimney liner in ?
More efficient in general, including the ability to insulate the flue. Masonry is great, but with an insert liner is always recommended to provide longevity to your stove, and reduces downdraft problems
I have a home built in 2006 with a pre-fab fireplace that I want to change out to a stove like you were showing. My fireplace has a double wall insulated "liner" from the fireplace to the roof. My question to you is why is it necessary to install a liner (inside the current liner)? Why can't a custom reducer be fabricated and put on the existing liner and connect the stove to the type liner you are demonstrating?
It truly depends on the reduction. If you are going from a 8" to 3" for example, you are better off getting the exact size than reducing. If you are going from 8" to 6" you could go that route.
Why didn’t you wrap insulation around the insert?
Nice work Rob
Wonderful step by step video...Feel pretty good about installing ours now....Quick question please: does the liner come wrapped like yours was or is that an extra step we will need to do & with what material please? Also, we too live in a log home, with a fireplace that has a cracked ceramic flue, so thinking this is the best way to address it, as well as our high heating bills. Thank you very much. Kerrie (Please confirm it's okay to just put the liner right down into the ceramic flu that is cracked).
The insulation you see wrapped on the liner during installation is done before you feed it down your chimney. It doesn't come pre-wrapped, and is also purchased separately.
Thanks very much. We're tackling the project right now & your video was perfect because we too have a log home & rock fireplace. Cross your fingers all goes well. Best. Kerrie
Is it possible to maintain the design of an historic fireplace and insert into existing hole which has an arch?
Very nice video! Question, I have a wood burning fireplace with variable speed fan that I love and works really well but I would like to have a wood burner as a actual heat source besides my furnace. My question is I have been told that most likely a insert wouldn't work with a factory built fireplace. I haven't actually had a company come out yet but it seems I see a lot of these being installed on here with the same type of fireplace. I'm in Minnesota so we have plenty of days needing heat lol.
Is your outlet in the firebox?
So the opening where the pipe comes down and attaches to the stove is there insulation to keep the cold air out?
Wondering the same thing? I've seen guys put up durock or cement board, I've heard of folks putting Roxul insulation in there but if you removed the damper or left it open that's a pretty big gap of space and I'd assume a lot of heat loss going right up the old chimney area
That's what I am saying. Looks like heat would got straight out the chimney. I am assuming they make a fire proof insulation.
That Roxul is suppose to be pretty fireproof and what I've seen people use, but I wondered if there is some fireproof kit or something to help seal up that space. I also wonder about the space on the sides of the liner at the the top of the chimney do you seal those spaces up as well up top? I would think cold air would come down into the old chimney.
cbaur88 The top of the chimney comes with a cap.
You use a blockoff plate. They didn't but most manufacturers recommend it.
So was that a zero clearance prefab fireplace by heatilator before you started? Did you knock all the brick off of it, and all the other guts of it. I have a heatilator and would like to do this as well. Thanks Mike
The original fireplace is a Masonry Fireplace with a Full Masonry Chimney incorporating a Terra Cotta Flue Liner; it was built with a Heat Form steel firebox that was "bricked in" to the structure when originally constructed. These steel Heat Form fireboxes were built by Heatilator years ago which often causes confusion. Since the 1970's, Heatilator is known for the Metal Zero Clearance/Prefab/Builder Box Fireplaces that are widely used in the building industry today. So, to answer your question, the fireplace in this video is a Masonry Fireplace, NOT a Prefab/Zero Clearance Fireplace. www.hearth.com/talk/wiki/heatform/
can you burn 22inch x 8inch logs in that stove
Did you use furnace cement?
Jammy yes he did. Rutland brand
Hi I'm considering this for a new place I'm building. The faceplate is included to accommodate an existing fireplace opening...but i will be able to tailor the fireplace location to fit the unit. If I do that (dumb question I know) I would not need to use the faceplate at all (as long as I meet the clearance requirements?
No enough heat comes out of my fireplace. Based on some post, a wood burning stove produces more heat AND last longer, is that correct? Any benefits of a traditional fireplace over a wood burning stove?
+rs2519 It looks nicer and more inviting but that's about it. You'll get 15% or so of the fire heat into the room compared to 60+% with a wood burning stove.
How does the fan work on this setup
What is it that is covering the chimney around the liner? How do you not lose heat from all of the space in the fireplace and chimney as the insert is way smaller than the fireplace?
+ksu77462 Look at the pipe they installed down the chimney. That's the insulated version and it will keep the heat in the pipe where it needs to be.
+NorthlineExpress That half answered a question I had. Where does the blower pull its heat from? The entire insert body?
how do you clean the chimney
Amazing how the blower runs with no electricity
Hey i just ordered the exact same stove and exact same liner with insulation. When may i use the stove after installing it?
Thanks I learned alot.
😂🤣😂🤣The fire is going off, as you closed the door..!!!
😂😂
If I call a company to install an insert I would expect him to take the damper down and do a total install from start to finish that seems to be your job obviously the fireplace needs to be cleaned out but when you ask a customer to take out the damper or leave it that’s up to you
whay you need a fire when its 85 dg
The easiest time to install a unit is when the weather is warmer. Being on a roof in the middle of a Michigan winter with ice & wind isn't exactly the prime time for installation. Best way to show you all how to install is during warmer months, and you have to cure the stove with the first fire. Even if it's 85, this is part of the process during a proper installation. Hope that helps!
I have that same exact model and it keeps smoking up my house when I open it... when I look at the back of the insert from the inside the whole in the top rear is covered is that suppose to be...really need help
Personally I think quadrafire makes a better insert then USSC.
whay did you want to make a fire in your insert when its 85 degrees out side
The person in the video represents a company that sells wood stoves. This type of company actually sells more stoves in the warmer months than in the dead of winter. So, he wanted to get the video posted ASAP to capture more sales.
So what would this cost to purchase and install?
Depends on the stove brand and size and whether or not you're doing the install or paying a company to do it. It can range from around $2,000 on the low end if you do the install yourself all the way up to around $7,000 for a very high end stove and a professional installation. I installed my own and the total cost was $4,300 for an Enviro Boston 1700 insert.
It's grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory!
Hearth doesn't look deep enough now.
Furnace cement is completely unnecessary if done correctly.
why in the hell would you make a firein your insert when its 85 out side
WOW, NICE VIDEO...HOWEVER, THE FACE PLATE LOOKS HIDEOUS . THE GORGEOUS STONE WORK IS AESTHETICALLY RUINED.
Agreed. I installed the same stove and threw away the ugly black surround plate.
This install would never pass inspection in Massachusetts. The flue pipe needs to be 36" above the highest part of the roof within 10 feet for proper Draft. Not mention fire safety flue was mighty close to the peak of the roof. It's a miracle that roof never caught on fire. 🔥🔥
Yeah so don’t screw in to the terra cotta liner ever man I mean ever ever never ever!, got it man. Stop this horrible practice dude! Stop!
One thing that may not be obvious. It looks like you capped the whole chimney from the looks of all the new mortar on top. It looks really new and super flat with zero slope to help water..moisture to run off of the top of the chimney, looks like it will all settle for as long as moisture wants to...creating what moisture creates and does best... bad things to your chimney and home. Any how when you were doing what you did to the top outside of the chimney maybe just maybe could have mortared in some bricks around the chimney out terra cotta. That would make the mounting surface bigger for the top plate. It also would give you the bricks to drill into for mounting the top plate and not the terra cotta. Hope that makes sense