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If I may add: the $2800 amount provided by Anandtech is plain wrong. They've converted the original 2999.00 euros ( www.caseking.de/detail/index/sArticle/52252 ) completely wrong. It should be something like $3390. No that an extra $590 would mean anything for those who'll buy this :D
OK so. If AMD is shipping more AMD hardware. Then how do you figure Intel is outselling AMD in the other video. Because it sounds like AMD makes the most sales.
I kinda wish they would allow a setup where 10 series cards in SLI could run better dxr, like one card doing ray tracing and the other doing the rest of the rendering
Just a correction, Steve: Almost every price listing in the EU shows taxes included, so in the case of the 13000€ system, only shipping has to be added on top.
You can only show prices without tax if the listing is intended for businesses. Showing a price without tax to consumers could get you fined (for misleading customers and unfair competition).
@@Megalomaniakaal since you would subtract the EU taxes first (19% in germany where caseking is based) which are probably similar to the US taxes you would end up at avery close price. The shipping money is probably peanuts compared to the 13000€ price of the product.
@@megapro125 true enough though it might take extra effort on the buyers side to avoid the double taxation. Might be easier for consumers, though. And businesses would likely already be aware of what needs to be done to avoid it though.
Both companies lie, or at least stretch the truth, all the time. I didn't say that they didn't either. I run AMD processors most of the time, including a FX-8350 Black about 5 years ago. I simply said that the comment was funny, because of the reference. However, I can proudly and happily say that I have NOT owned an Intel processor since my i7 4790k though. LOL 😊
@@basshead. I know all that. I actually made my last run with Intel after that with the 4790k. Bang per buck AMD can't be beat. Every time someone buys an Intel CPU they are being overcharged, or "scammed" as you like to put it. Everyone has their preferences and if you like paying more then so be it. I'm not looking to max out anything or overclock professionally. I'm looking to enjoy my PC experience and I get just that. I've been building, repairing and upgrading PCs for over 20 years and own my own business doing so. I'm doing just fine, thanks. My clients are happy. I'm happy. All is well. Matter of fact, here's a link to my channel. It's just a vlog of my current build, which I am actually about a month behind on uploading any videos. I've only got about $5,000 USD into it now. Enjoy! th-cam.com/channels/syvh6D-4t6qsxPpA2-y5dQ.html
@@basshead. my 20 years of experience says differently. Just because you pay more doesn't mean it's better. You go on wasting money while you think that. Have a nice night.
@@basshead. not to mention that from the 2 processors I used as an example that I've owned I OBVIOUSLY run high end gear. So I really don't see what you have to chirp at me about.
I think the reason why people dont buy new pc's now is because of the ryzen 3000 series. I personally hold back waiting for ryzen 7 3000. Just saying..
Nice that you can actually upgrade Ryzen system without having to buy a motherboard. It's nice to just swap the CPU and not have to completely rebuild your PC. Still have my x370 went from a 1700x to a 2700x now waiting for 3000 series. Seems like Intel changes the socket a lot and just because a board has the correct socket type does not mean it will be compatible with all CPU's with that same socket type.
@@MrOgger151 well that's the kicker isn't it? AMD gave users 4 generations on AM4 because you were going to need them not because they were being nice. You went from Ryzen first gen, to second gen and are about to jump to third gen? I bought a 7700k two years ago and don't need to upgrade at all. Pushing my 2080 just fine with no bottleneck. Even Ryzen 2 is bottlenecking a 2070. So how much have you spent on CPUs in the last two year? Lots... If you had an Intel CPU you wouldn't have needed to upgrade so much. Not saying there's anything wrong with Ryzen or that you should be buying Intel. Ryzen is is great! But it's for the budget minded user. And budget parts result in more frequent upgrades because they don't last as long until they become the bottleneck in your system. Gonna be a rude awakening for all the people lining up for Navi. If it's as good as AMD makes it out to be a lot of first and second gen Ryzen CPUs are gonna end up on eBay for dirt cheap.
@@Code-n-Flame That's funny that you should claim that Ryzen 2 bottlenecks the 2070 as my 2700x is only bottlenecking my 2080 ti at low resolutions and that usually only means that I get like 250 fps instead of 300 fps at 1080p. I was going to buy a 9th gen Intel for my current system but they were charging 50% more for only a few percentage more FPS over a 2700x so I decided to save $200+ dollars and put that away for a potential upgrade to the 3700x if it is as good as it is rumoured to be.
I personally also like having the physical CD of an album I like. Sometimes the CD sleeves have great artwork by the band..plus it's easier to look back at all the music you have listened to over the years. Streaming services don't have every piece of music.
@@poeticsilence047 Same here, man. I listen to a lot of metal, so cool album art is of a high frequency. Sometimes I wind up buying both the CD and vinyl versions of an album.
I really appreciate these regular hardware news video updates, very informative and often nicely coated in a light layer of wit. Thank you Gamers Nexus.
is Java also dead? (checks the other comp) Nope, the NASA Mars time clock is still working, lol. OK, got coffee and the clock is still working, life is good. About all, I remember Flash and Shockwave doing, was dragging CPUs to their knees with web pages flooded with adds, lol.
I have fond memories of learning Macromedia Driector and creating tiny Shockwave games. At the time web technologies just weren't advanced enough to do anything like that very easily. Alas Java, Flash, and Shockwave never hit all the buttons to take off. Java was a very powerful language with lots of libraries but without an animation system, Shockwave had an animation system and required very little CPU but created very large files (for the time). Flash made tiny files but was CPU hungry because it was constantly rasterizing vectors. My only hope now for a more resonable web application development platform is Web Assembly + WebGL. Maybe we'll finally be able to just write apps again without the overhead and complexity of a document object model.
Yeah, webasm is awesome. I've done some experimentation with compiling Rust to WebAssembly. It's pretty magical to be able to emit webasm and JS (through TypeScript, which is what the Rust compiler emits for webasm fallback) from native code. It makes writing single page applications or just front-end heavy web apps MUCH easier and more reliable, as it means the data objects passed from the front end to the back end (also in Rust in my case) never get out of sync, and I always have type information, auto-completion, and integrated documentation. Aside from all of the convenience, the performance is breathtakingly good. WebGl hasn't been my jam but I would imagine that the two would go together very very well. I take it you want to render an app interface (or games) ? To bypass having to deal with a DOM and all that nonsense? If so, I understand, and think I would definitely like to see more of that in the Web. Perhaps the Promised Land really is just over the horizon now, at last :) I can strongly recommend it! Hope you try it out.
My best guess are crappy ARM based systems like chromebooks/windows 10 ARM laptops with qualcom, huawei or apple SOCs and super old retro systems with 3dfx or matrox gpus
I use CD-roms all the time. I build my own PC's and I intentionally get cases that have 5.25 drive bays so that I can use a very useful computer part. Great show as always.
I don't know what adobe is thinking, but i used shockwave & flash not for CD roms, but browsers, because some browsers even in 2019 still require you to use shockwave or wave!
Yea Well: Both Apps Are Seriously Like, The Biggest Security Risk Factors On Ones [PC] Now-a-Day's, So... It's Only Really Packaged With Browsers; For Being Used In Playing Shady Online Flash Game's Which Are Hosted On Somewhat Sketchy & Unscrupulous Web Site's & Also Used By Some (Legacy) Internet Application's... *[On Adobe Shockwave/Flash (Security) - From [Wikipedia]: Some security experts advise users to uninstall Adobe Shockwave Player because "it bundles a component of Adobe Flash that is more than 15 months behind on security updates, and which can be used to backdoor virtually any computer running it", in the words of Brian Krebs. This opinion is based on research by Will Dormann, who goes on to say that Shockwave is architecturally flawed because it contains a separate version of the Flash runtime that is updated much less often than Flash itself. Additionally Krebs writes that "Shockwave has several modules that don’t opt in to trivial exploit mitigation techniques built into Microsoft Windows, such as SafeSEH."]* *[As of February 12, 2015; Adobe Flash Player has over (400 CVE: Entries), of which over (300) lead to arbitrary code execution, & past vulnerabilities have enabled spying via web cameras. Security Experts have long predicted the demise of Flash, saying that with the rise of HTML5 "...the need for browser plugins such as Flash is diminishing", as only 7 to 10 percent of websites still use it.]* So Therefore... Things Like Malicious Cross-Site Scripting Attacks, Buffer-Stack "Overflow" Attacks, System Memory Attacks & Thus Giving Direct Access To Spying On One's Direct-(VGA): Output... These Are All Huge (High Value) "Targets" or "Attack Vectors" For (Bad Actors) To-Go After... So Untill It's EoL, Unscrupulous Actors Will Continue To Exploit These Major Flaws For Personal Gains! Especially Towards A Highly Popular & Extremely Unsecure Program; That's Running On Nearly Everyone's Personal Computer! And Besides It's Kinda Redundant In Today's Internet Anyways!
Yeah... me too. I remember going on shockwave.com in the late 90's and being blown away with what was now possible. I'll honestly be a bit nostalgic that it's now going away - tons of stuff will not be compatible - well, if it was still online, which I suppose a lot of it isn't.
himynameistim I got 67 fps on my Titan Xp (Star Wars edition) on Fortnite... I do have one system that can run 100+ fps in 4k Ultra (100 in Crysis 3 4k Ultra vs 45 from the Titan), but I don’t think it supports the DP protocol for 120 Hz! It’s my 4x Fury build (doesn’t even have HDMI 2.0...). Hopefully they allow duel cables or something (it does fine running my 3x 4k 60 Hz, so it should work). Nvidia needs to allow 4x again, as it is, it’s not really an upgrade option for me (Vega VII doesn’t allow CF since it might hurt Instinct sales, and Vega 64 officially doesn’t support the 4x, though it probably would run anyways since I doubt the forcefully locked the consumers out like Nvidia did in Pascal and Newer with artificial locks). 120Hz would be doable (I target for 240 fps in Fortnite due to input lag and consistency reasons, but it requires mixed medium/low), however it kind of kills the point of 4k, it kills the “Ultra amazing graphics” for me. I think 1440p 144+ Hz is the best gaming resolution, as a bonus, the monitors are affordable, and hardware exists that can actually run it! I’m out of desk space though.... I get 66hz overclocking my monitors though if that’s of any consolation!
@@shawnpitman876 120 would be "good enough" for me. 144hz is fine too and i'd take it. The price has to be reasonable. Right now they're asking like $600 + for a 27 4k 144hz display and only a few exist. Ideally I'd want a 4k 32" 120hz+ panel that was good quality and will last. I wouldn't pay more than $500 for a display, however. They're just not worth it.
@@timothyandrewnielsen You're never going to get what you want then. Cause you're COMPLETELY unreasonable. " I wouldn't pay more than $500 for a display" Yea, good luck with that bud, if you did manage to find any 4k 120/144hz panel for anywhere near $500, it'd be a shit one with crap color reproduction and likely shit response times.
the caseking price is with taxes included. all german (even european?) prices for non corporate customers are shown with taxes included. so only +shipping here
Problem with steams HW survey is that they don't survey it all or completely randomly. I remember getting one 4 years ago with 2 computers back. Have not seen one since. How do you even expect it to reflect reality if they basically update the survey couple of times in a decade for average steam user?
Sure tensor cores may be needed to properly do ray tracing, I'm sure AMD and others disagree and will prove that's not true but, let's assume that it's true that only tensor cores can properly do ray tracing that still leaves us with the tiny issue that nVidia didn't provide enough of those tensor cores on their product to make the feature usable to their primary market.
What kind of recommendation can gamernexus give on cooling for rtx 2070/2080/2080ti cards? I have a zotac amp 2080, and the cooling is effecticesure, but once those fans pick up more then half their speed they are VERY noisy, I'd like to know if I'd be able to get a decent aftermarket cooler for the card.can we get a video on that?
Energmax has new AIO water coolers. There's a Aquafusion 240 and a Liqtech 240. Could you guys do a teardown/comparison/review of these? I have been waiting for them to bring the Liqtech TR4 aesthetic to mainstream desktop.
Two topics this time around: ~ RTX Functionality on Pascal: As I do not have a Pascal series Quadro at my disposal to test with the new drivers, it would be nice to know if RTX functionality is capable of working with the Tesla P100 and Quadro P4000 to P6000 and GP100 cards, for if it does and it works extremely well, this might help out in prolonging their lifespan deep into the point where Nvidia, PNY, and Hewlett~Packard are no longer selling Pascal series Quadro and Tesla GPUs, effectively giving them purpose to purchase over their GeForce counterparts from that generation if money is not an obstacle and consumers don't want to get an RTX 4000 or Tesla T4 for the time being. ~ 9990XE: To know now that the 9990XE is no longer confined to the Auction Only market truly shows how important having 05 Gigahertz (Stable) on all cores is to the Consumer and Enthusiast base, this chip is easily one of the hottest and most brutally power consuming that Intel has released (after all, it is simply a heavily overclocked 9940X with extreme wattage and heating issues; wishfully Ice and Meteor Lake X will be significantly more bearable on the power draw here, Skylake was easily the worst of the current era when it came to ridiculous temps and TDP) and will be what'll hold over many people while they wait for Ice/Tiger/Alder and Meteor Lake to come along; the only problem that I worry about with the 9990XE though will be its overall supply, not because of the chip shortage at Intel, but because of Prebuilt Desktops that will have it, I can only imagine how much of these Intel will be pumping out on a normal basis before Skylake X is retired outright and if my worries on this are justifiably proven true, then the 9990XE could remain in a similar spot as the 5775C on Amazon at this time: Reasonably priced at launch, but only badly spiking in cost as it ages over time, effectively making it pointless to purchase when compared to a modern alternative (I can see the Meteor Lake~based 13900K and 13990XE easily being able to deliver far better results than the 9990XE in this regard, come 2023 and '24), it would be a shame if this were to happen but that is a very firm possibility under the current circumstances.
Hi Steve, I live in the UK. If I order multiple items of merchandise will they all ship in one package. If not, then I'll end up paying import administration charges (on top of import duty) multiple times. Can you assure me they will ship in one package? Thanks very much.
In regards to the AMD console APU, I wonder if the deals AMD have with Sony and MS prevent them for selling something similar for PCs? Seems like having a cheap nextgen console level performing pc would sell well.
I tried the new driver on my 1080Ti on Unreal Engine 4, it works great. Actually, before NVIDIA rolls out their driver, DXR can run on any devices includes Intel graphics(just super slow, 6~8fps). The only thing changes in the driver is to allow other programs to run their RTX technology. haha
I ordered some small form factor PCs last year, got them last month thanks to Intel. The AMD variant uses old A9 APUs and they have problems with Igel OS and VMware BLAST :-(
I want to know what the best cooling solution AIO setup would be for an I9 9900K at 5.2ghz on a z390 dark im really trying to push this cpu but i cannot seem to get it passed 5.1 comfortably thanks!
Asetech sold an AllInOne unit that could probably push it to 6Ghz. The Vapochill LS was a champ, but it’s kind of heavy and expensive (not really compared to most “extreme water cooling”, lol, I have to laugh at those). I’ve got mine testing long term effects on FX platform, -60c idle and core temp doesn’t exceed 0c under full load (block temp is -35c, the CPU doesn’t report lower than 0c so I’m not sure on the exact temp, just that it’s lower). It’s good for 24/7 on CPUs, I think with all the hot as Hell Intel chips that these would sell great if they made them again. You did ask for the best all in one, I wouldn’t use less on the 9900k. Might be difficult to find one though, don’t forget to actually read the manual or your chip may be dead in 20 minutes.
@@dex32145 Long response, because it will answer almost any question you have (If you need a guide, post it in the comments on the video I linked). But basically, its noisier than a typical AIO (however my Titan Xp is like 3x louder, so you don't hear the phase cooler except at idle, and its not that loud, link below at the end showing mine in action, I was talking softly not to wake people, so it sounds louder in the video than it actually is). Its expense I feel is reasonable if you justified a $500+ CPU for gaming, lol! (I spend a lot too, I got a TR-1950x instead, barely cheaper, but I needed the PCIe lanes for running 4x crossfire so I could run 4k Ultra gaming. I also definitely use all 16 cores for workstation tasks! Its a champ!). You can use this on your next upgrade as well, its a cooler, so you just keep using it and keep taking advantage of its massive overclock potential. The cons: Risky (kind of), but so is overclocking (and like overclocking, you void your warranty). Heavy (if you move your PC around a lot for some reason, do note this will add about 40 pounds or 20 KG to your machine). Little bit of noise, but its really not much (if you can stand to be in the same room as a mechanical HDD, then you'll be fine... Normal HDD's drive me insane) and the phase sounds cool to me, its a low pitch hum/whine with occasional hissing and boiling sounds that is eerie and kind of spookie, but very cool sounding. Expensive (sometimes... I got mine for a steal, I recently paid $400 for a cup of copper for LN2 overclocking, and this daily phase cooler actually cost way LESS than that! Its actually not bad considering people spend like $100 on a radiator, and $50 on a CPU block, then $50 on a pump, then in all honesty its like $80 minimum in stupid fittings if you want to do hardline water cooling, so you're already spending more than I paid for something that goes sub-zero!, and that's not including the rigid hoses, or heck I didn't even include fans in that item list...). Setup time is the worst (initial setup, once its done its golden, and you don't have to mess with it again most likely, or until your next upgrade). Power consumption will go up a lot (your chip is already molten Lava, whats another 300w though? I run 1100w TDP system when stock, as if I ran it stock though! LOL! My electric bill is pretty low, like $20 a month typically, max has been $40, but that's for my whole house. Its not that much more, I mean, its already a $500+ CPU that you have, I'd get all the performance you could out of it) Pros: EXTREME COLD! I mean, FX at insane voltages with core temps peaking below 0c?!? That's crazy... You can also run ludicrous voltage that would degrade a CPU into a potato within a week as your "everyday phase voltage". Like wow, I bet FX would be crapped out at 1.7v for after long, and honestly I'd run 1.8v if my cheapo board didn't have a BIOS limit at that... But on phase I bet it will be fine for a year at least even hammering it 24/7. Also your overclocks will be outlandishly high on that CPU, der8aur (the famous German overclocker that has set every world record from 7700k, to 6 core when Ryzen came out, all the way up to duel socket records with Epyc) showed that the 9900k scales ridiculously amazing below 0c (like unbelievable compared to any other CPU I've seen... I would not run those on air after I've seen these results, they are seriously handicapped on water...) Is it worth it? Well I'd say so. But... Do note that you had better be able to replace your motherboard and CPU at the MINIMUM if things were to go wrong, a lot of users have made mistakes (like not packing the socket with the thermal paste or dielectric grease like the manual says. Guess what happened 2 weeks later? The pins rusted... That's why you follow the directions... Or they think oh gee, I think its fine to not put the insulation on it, I mean its only -60c on the cooler! Well, guess who learned about water condensation, because they didn't read the instructions...). Its still moderately safe (especially compared to my water cooling, I had over 5 water leaks today! That's not even close to my record, that's just kind of typical sadly...), but you do want to take it slow, just follow the manual, and you'll be alright. Since you've already tested and verified your hardware is working, you won't need to worry about warranty, so you can go ahead with the kind of messy process (you water-proof everything, lots of options though, I use Vaseline for short term, as in months or weeks, because I can heatgun it to drip out clean, or you can use plasti-dip sprays or fingernail polish etc. Its mostly a backup in case your heaters or insulation fail, but its one extra layer that would need to fail before damage is done, so I just take all the safety precautions. It does take a little prep time, but once its done right, its done! And you'll have a lot better piece of mind). Here is my phase cooler, I'm actually not sure how it got that hot, I think it was 100*F in the house at the time, and I had a heater at 38w instead of 5w on the block, so the outside plastic was really hot, I over-estimated how much heat I'd need!) th-cam.com/video/8h0ieFOeqtI/w-d-xo.html
Personally, another reason why we have RTX on GTX cards, is to get more developers to implement it. Since some developers might not have RTX cards to do proper testing and developing on RTX features and this would allow those developers to do it. Since if you are testing RTX, especially as developer, 20FPS is fine to see how it looks and if it works. Though I am pretty sure nVidia is also betting on human psychology of gamer not being able to max out settings and therefore feeling like they are missing out and upgrade. It could get especially nasty with default presets, where they could try manipulating developers in turning on RTX on high and ultra preset, showing a way more significant framerate drops in order to encourage upgrades. Also I am pretty sure increasing pool of users is also there for same reason. But I am pretty sure this wasn't done out of goodness of their hearts, but rather calculated marketing move.
The new IE 11 bug is supposedly allow them to take over your pc. If IE 11 is installed and enabled on your device and even if you use another web browser, they too become affected to that IE 11 bug.
The point at 5:35 about Dell/Lenovo/HP is kinda BS. They're not affected maybe as much, but they're definitely suffering. Our lead times on *shipping* have doubled from our delivery times on our past orders this year compared to even late last year.
There are problems with the Steam hardware survey that have existed for a while. First, why confuse people with "Number of CPUs". Are we talking about servers here? Just call them cores. Second, there are a lot of internet cafes, and these accounts change with every user, so millions of users are reporting this same hardware over and over again. Third, it's an opt-in survey. Not all setups are accounted for. I don't know for sure, but I don't think the total number of users was listed here, either. These machines should be by IP or MAC address, not user (Internet cafe thing).
VESA Standard??? Bottomline first: Do you know of any efforts to standardize the placement of VESA mounts on the backs of monitors? I don't like most manufacturers' monitor mounting stands. They're never tall enough, and whatever I put them on is always in the way on my desk, or even worse, unstable. So when possible I like to use wall, or sometimes table, mounting brackets. Fortunately, most monitors now seem to come with VESA mount mounting holes. And while luckily they are centered horizontally, you never know where the manufacturer is going to put them vertically. I just finished wall-mounting two different monitors next to one another. One had a nicely centered VESA mount, but the other's was 13cm higher than center. Besides making the marking and drilling on the wall more complicated, it's nearly impossible to use that monitor in "portrait" orientation. Background (aka: extraneous blah, blah, blah...) I've been doing electronics of one form or another, professionally and personally, for about 40 years. But in all that time I had never built a PC from the ground up...until last month. With the help of several TH-cam channels such as yours, it was extremely fun, and almost too simple. One of the things that made it so, was all the standards that manufacturers are using to the benefit of themselves and their customer base. e.g. If I buy (from reputable vendors) an ATX case and an ATX motherboard, I can logically assume they'll work together. I really liked that, and it made component selection and assembly a breeze. Not so for VESA!! (End of rant.) Thanks for your time. (MCP: End of Line.)
Pretty sure Puget could have gotten more than one if they wanted more than one. Pretty sure they just wanted to evaluate it and decided that the limited availability outweighed the benefits of offering the CPU.
n00bHaMmEr - I think it’s cool that they are letting us try it at least, though. Playing on High/RTX High on my 1080ti I can play the BFV campaign at 1080p 🤷♂️
@@zackaryk2000 1080p is totally fine. And not everybody need 100 FPS. 40-50 FPS is fine for casuals. You only need 60 in Multiplayer. Everything more is only for competitive players, but you won't find many in battlefield.
it always depends on the person, if someone started to enjoy those 144hz with 144fps game and going below with the fps because of nonsence reflections, it will hurt eyes.. @@rophlcopter
The €12,999 is INCLUDING taxes but likely not shipping. EU companies that sell to consumers are required by law to include taxes in the prices they show.
Depends on the board and which PCIe lanes the m.2 uses. If it’s running off the CPU lanes then your GPU will drop to 8x vs 16. Most chipsets have additional lanes. Refer to your motherboard manual for this info. Now performance loss would be determined by what GPU you’re running. Most GPUs don’t saturate all 16 lanes so unless you’re using a 2080ti which (from my memory) is the closest to saturating all 16 lanes.
I didn't get the meaning of the RIP in the title... I think you can write a description of RIP in the video detail, just copy and paste. I don't care the overclocking, I just need the news of A company.
Well played by Nvidia on gamers. There's still a catch. Now us Pascal owners see that Ray Tracing isn't really a big deal or at least still needs to mature and stay very content with what we still own.
@@PainterVierax well DXR is the direct X raytracing api so im not sure how nvidia is stopping amd and intel from supporting dxr but whatever en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX_Raytracing
I can't help but wonder why a vulnerability that requires administrator and physical access to the system is considered a vulnerability at all. You have much bigger problems when you have security issues with a person that has that kind of access.
The price of the prebuild system of caseking is with taxes but not with import taxes like it is with all online products offered from Germany. > * Alle Preise inkl. gesetzl. Mehrwertsteuer zzgl. Versandkosten und ggf. Nachnahmegebühren, wenn nicht anders beschrieben Translated: All prices include taxes. Additionally shipping costs and cost of buying on last name.
I believe there was an official statement a year ago from either Sony or Microsoft saying 2021 was the target for the next generation consoles, with that being said I don't think anyone should be shocked enough to call this a leak as it probably should be near completion for the APU, Id expect release in the spring after a CES or E3 announcement and demo. AMD right now just represents the best overall value, sure it won't give the top tier performance in most games, but the value beyond that is extensive, people could be betting on Core counts outweighing frequency in the near future, there are also the massive security leaks in the Intel arch. so that may be a driving factor for enterprise as well.
About Intel iGPUs, I own a "dual graphics" (Nvidia Optimus) laptop. If I'm not running anything that wakes up the discrete GPU or have no external monitor plugged in, Steam will only record that I have an HD 630 iGPU because the GTX 1070 is on a sleep state. And even if the GTX 1070 is running it will still show that I also have the HD 630 since it still has to "pipe" the GTX 1070 framebuffer to display it on the laptop's screen. EDIT: I'm pretty wrong, this is the output of Steam's "System Information", and it doesn't even show the GTX 1070 while having two external monitors plugged into mini-DP ports that connect directly to the dGPU (I have the circuit schematics and the only output the HD 630 has is the eDP for the laptop's display): Video Card: Driver Not Detected DirectX Driver Name: igdumdim32.dll Driver Version Not Detected DirectX Driver Version: 25.20.100.6519 Driver Date Not Detected OpenGL Version: 4.5 DirectX Card: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 VendorID: 0x8086 DeviceID: 0x3e9b Revision Not Detected Number of Monitors: 3 Number of Logical Video Cards: 3 No SLI or Crossfire Detected Primary Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080 Desktop Resolution: 5760 x 1080 Primary Display Size: 20.00" x 11.26" (22.91" diag) 50.8cm x 28.6cm (58.2cm diag) Primary Bus Type Not Detected Primary VRAM Not Detected Supported MSAA Modes: 2x 4x 8x 16x
12 999eur is including taxes. So only shipping and import toll will be due additionally. Sales tax may be higher in Europe, but usually it hides pretty well :p
P.S. Everyone if you use Windows 10 disable IE 11 as there's a new bug in it that also effects Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc. if IE 11 is enabled on your pc. For Windows 8, 7, Vista, XP, etc. it's time to upgrade as you can't avoid this bug like Windows 10 can.
When Steam is counting the Intel integrated GPU,it could stand for a system with no other GPU,like some of my friends who use laptops without separate GPUs
I wonder how much if any of that dropping trend of PCs, is that some just don't like the 'Android' like interface on a PC/workstation where the classic XP interface is simply preferred. For many, the lackluster boost in performance on a PC that is more difficult to use, simply may not be a good selling point. If someone has a 6700k with win7 that works, it's a hard sell for a 7700k that is at best 5% faster and only works with win10 that has a drastically different feel to its interface that doesn't work some times at random. An 8700k or 9700k may have been a smidgen better of a sell, however, that win10 thing, I don't know. I'd rather keep the win7 box for making stuff that requires an accurate mouse pointer and relegates the newer win10 box to just crunching numbers in a closet to free up the CPU on the box with an interface that works. As much as some 3rd party apps try to make Win10 'Look' like XP/win7, the actual user-interface features simply are not there (a mouse pointer that works without jumping around the screen when left-clicking something, menus that don't require multiple clicking to brows submenus that actually work when you click for them, the ability to set unique fonts font-sizes and colors for each part of the interface independently, the ability to hold off updates till the hours-long render has finished instead of wiping out a day's of work in the middle of a render to do forced-updates, etc). Grrrrr. At least the R7 is fast at rendering and the PM01 looks pretty and keeps it's cool, lol.
@@GaufresAuSucre yet not good enough and will still be the system bottleneck. Ryzen 2 as it is, is already bottlenecking GPUs. Let's clock a Ryzen 2700x to 3.2 GHz and see how bad it bottlenecks a 1080 Ti..
@@Code-n-Flame and ps5 goal is to play at 4k so ryzen 3 won't be a bottleneck, even for vr I don't think it will bottleneck an 1080ti equivalent But anyway we will see how zen 2 do in 2/3 month 😊
To hell with 4k, give us 60fps, and room for more complexed gameplay, devs for years had to make significant cutback on GAMEPLAY because of weak cpu, and thats before considering graphics and performance
I hope there will be a GN review of the new ROG Strix Helios case . I've seen it on the Asus website and in a couple of videos from CES 2019 . I especially want to know if the airflow/thermals and cable management will be any good
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Find Der8auer's video here! th-cam.com/video/5-x6zsr1UQM/w-d-xo.html
If I may add: the $2800 amount provided by Anandtech is plain wrong. They've converted the original 2999.00 euros ( www.caseking.de/detail/index/sArticle/52252 ) completely wrong. It should be something like $3390. No that an extra $590 would mean anything for those who'll buy this :D
OK so. If AMD is shipping more AMD hardware. Then how do you figure Intel is outselling AMD in the other video. Because it sounds like AMD makes the most sales.
I kinda wish they would allow a setup where 10 series cards in SLI could run better dxr, like one card doing ray tracing and the other doing the rest of the rendering
@@imadecoy. Oh right Prebuilt. Sorry. Thinking processors alone.
Just a correction, Steve: Almost every price listing in the EU shows taxes included, so in the case of the 13000€ system, only shipping has to be added on top.
Yes, if you are from the EU and ordering it then sure. Importing the system to US would likely have indeed extra taxes on top though.
You can only show prices without tax if the listing is intended for businesses. Showing a price without tax to consumers could get you fined (for misleading customers and unfair competition).
@@Megalomaniakaal since you would subtract the EU taxes first (19% in germany where caseking is based) which are probably similar to the US taxes you would end up at avery close price. The shipping money is probably peanuts compared to the 13000€ price of the product.
@@megapro125 true enough though it might take extra effort on the buyers side to avoid the double taxation. Might be easier for consumers, though. And businesses would likely already be aware of what needs to be done to avoid it though.
Steve just said "taxes" not VAT, so yes duty taxes is still applicable.
* 60% faster as tested by Principled Technologies.
They really need to make a "HA HA" reaction to comments like Facebook. This is genuinely funny as hell. ROFLMAO
Both companies lie, or at least stretch the truth, all the time. I didn't say that they didn't either. I run AMD processors most of the time, including a FX-8350 Black about 5 years ago. I simply said that the comment was funny, because of the reference. However, I can proudly and happily say that I have NOT owned an Intel processor since my i7 4790k though. LOL 😊
@@basshead. I know all that. I actually made my last run with Intel after that with the 4790k. Bang per buck AMD can't be beat. Every time someone buys an Intel CPU they are being overcharged, or "scammed" as you like to put it. Everyone has their preferences and if you like paying more then so be it. I'm not looking to max out anything or overclock professionally. I'm looking to enjoy my PC experience and I get just that. I've been building, repairing and upgrading PCs for over 20 years and own my own business doing so. I'm doing just fine, thanks. My clients are happy. I'm happy. All is well. Matter of fact, here's a link to my channel. It's just a vlog of my current build, which I am actually about a month behind on uploading any videos. I've only got about $5,000 USD into it now. Enjoy!
th-cam.com/channels/syvh6D-4t6qsxPpA2-y5dQ.html
@@basshead. my 20 years of experience says differently. Just because you pay more doesn't mean it's better. You go on wasting money while you think that. Have a nice night.
@@basshead. not to mention that from the 2 processors I used as an example that I've owned I OBVIOUSLY run high end gear. So I really don't see what you have to chirp at me about.
I just thought der8auer was dead!
Same LMAO
Oops! Sorry. Added the hashtag to it so that everyone is clear that it's part of our RIP series!
he probably is after the burn in the intro
My spirit is alive :D
@@GamersNexus Even with the hashtag I thought he died :OOOOO
Love the progress bar for each story! got a sub for that and most importantly good, interesting news coverage :)
I think the reason why people dont buy new pc's now is because of the ryzen 3000 series.
I personally hold back waiting for ryzen 7 3000.
Just saying..
@Michael Martin yup that is another factor bruh
@Michael Martin i think the typical life span of a new pc is about 3-5 years for gaming.
I think.
I'm not saying it is but "I think"
Nice that you can actually upgrade Ryzen system without having to buy a motherboard. It's nice to just swap the CPU and not have to completely rebuild your PC. Still have my x370 went from a 1700x to a 2700x now waiting for 3000 series. Seems like Intel changes the socket a lot and just because a board has the correct socket type does not mean it will be compatible with all CPU's with that same socket type.
@@MrOgger151 well that's the kicker isn't it? AMD gave users 4 generations on AM4 because you were going to need them not because they were being nice. You went from Ryzen first gen, to second gen and are about to jump to third gen?
I bought a 7700k two years ago and don't need to upgrade at all. Pushing my 2080 just fine with no bottleneck. Even Ryzen 2 is bottlenecking a 2070.
So how much have you spent on CPUs in the last two year? Lots... If you had an Intel CPU you wouldn't have needed to upgrade so much.
Not saying there's anything wrong with Ryzen or that you should be buying Intel. Ryzen is is great! But it's for the budget minded user. And budget parts result in more frequent upgrades because they don't last as long until they become the bottleneck in your system.
Gonna be a rude awakening for all the people lining up for Navi. If it's as good as AMD makes it out to be a lot of first and second gen Ryzen CPUs are gonna end up on eBay for dirt cheap.
@@Code-n-Flame That's funny that you should claim that Ryzen 2 bottlenecks the 2070 as my 2700x is only bottlenecking my 2080 ti at low resolutions and that usually only means that I get like 250 fps instead of 300 fps at 1080p. I was going to buy a 9th gen Intel for my current system but they were charging 50% more for only a few percentage more FPS over a 2700x so I decided to save $200+ dollars and put that away for a potential upgrade to the 3700x if it is as good as it is rumoured to be.
I think it's cool that you post on Sundays. Thanks for the video!
Yeah, I hardly get my dose of quality content until the middle of the week
14:49
I'm literally ripping a CD right now.
I feel old...
MunkeyChips
Here here!
There is a fundamental advantage to physical media and CD’s are about as storage efficient as it gets for physical music.
I put an optical drive in my system recently for some retro feels.
I personally also like having the physical CD of an album I like. Sometimes the CD sleeves have great artwork by the band..plus it's easier to look back at all the music you have listened to over the years. Streaming services don't have every piece of music.
@@poeticsilence047 Same here, man. I listen to a lot of metal, so cool album art is of a high frequency. Sometimes I wind up buying both the CD and vinyl versions of an album.
I buy all my music on CDs and rip them still.
I love how you guys really interact with other tech tubers and everyone jokes with eachother. It makes the community feel more together.
@ 16:35 FYI, the prices in Germany include taxes (unless you're on B2B sites), unlike the US where you have net prices.
Its because tax rates vary from state to state. (I.e. Maine has a 5% tax or 5 cents for every dollar. New Hampshire has no sales tax.)
@@bepbep7418 I get that, but Steve assumed that the 13K was the net price, which it isn't. Only thing I meant to point out
I think you mean the US uses gross price for display not net price. Net in business usually means affected by discounts, add ons, and such.
@@Knirin in Germany (or in German to be precise) the net price is the price before VAT. The wording might be different over there.
I really appreciate these regular hardware news video updates, very informative and often nicely coated in a light layer of wit. Thank you Gamers Nexus.
What could this mysterious piece of hardware be... Maybe Kingpin knows :D
Shockwave, take Flash with you!!
Funny, the only thing I know that used Shockwave is Habbo Hotel, it uses Flash Player now. Please take flash with you!
Adobe Air is dead too, isn't it ?
is Java also dead? (checks the other comp) Nope, the NASA Mars time clock is still working, lol. OK, got coffee and the clock is still working, life is good.
About all, I remember Flash and Shockwave doing, was dragging CPUs to their knees with web pages flooded with adds, lol.
But how shall I play flash games, then?
@@PainterVierax Lol, was it ever alive? :D
I have fond memories of learning Macromedia Driector and creating tiny Shockwave games. At the time web technologies just weren't advanced enough to do anything like that very easily. Alas Java, Flash, and Shockwave never hit all the buttons to take off. Java was a very powerful language with lots of libraries but without an animation system, Shockwave had an animation system and required very little CPU but created very large files (for the time). Flash made tiny files but was CPU hungry because it was constantly rasterizing vectors.
My only hope now for a more resonable web application development platform is Web Assembly + WebGL. Maybe we'll finally be able to just write apps again without the overhead and complexity of a document object model.
Yeah, webasm is awesome. I've done some experimentation with compiling Rust to WebAssembly. It's pretty magical to be able to emit webasm and JS (through TypeScript, which is what the Rust compiler emits for webasm fallback) from native code.
It makes writing single page applications or just front-end heavy web apps MUCH easier and more reliable, as it means the data objects passed from the front end to the back end (also in Rust in my case) never get out of sync, and I always have type information, auto-completion, and integrated documentation.
Aside from all of the convenience, the performance is breathtakingly good. WebGl hasn't been my jam but I would imagine that the two would go together very very well. I take it you want to render an app interface (or games) ? To bypass having to deal with a DOM and all that nonsense? If so, I understand, and think I would definitely like to see more of that in the Web. Perhaps the Promised Land really is just over the horizon now, at last :)
I can strongly recommend it! Hope you try it out.
this video was number 1 on my home feed...ive watched this channel since right after it started..first time seeing a gn video on home feed
What is "Other" in Steam survey's GPU manufacturers?
My best guess are crappy ARM based systems like chromebooks/windows 10 ARM laptops with qualcom, huawei or apple SOCs and super old retro systems with 3dfx or matrox gpus
OpenGL I guess since Steam is also available on Linux.
@@megapro125 also VIA (for exemple the s3 unichrome), and they also did CPUs but doesn't appear on the chart
Hand drawn images.
@@robertt9342 I shot snot out of my nose when I read this. Lol.
*Yesss Yessss More 4K 60fps content, give this monitor some proper use*
Since CaseKing is a german site the sales tax is included in the product price. So you only have to add shiping
and potential import taxes. It's not only VAT.
@@PainterVierax Not if you're buying in the EU
@@zoravar.k7904 Steve is in the USA, this is not part of the Schengen area.
GEEEZ That savagery to start the video right 0:20 #RIPDer8auer
I use CD-roms all the time. I build my own PC's and I intentionally get cases that have 5.25 drive bays so that I can use a very useful computer part.
Great show as always.
me too...i have a ton of blu-rays and dvds
@@anthonyp9591 I like to buy old CDs and burn them onto my computer for iTunes. I don't trust apple to keep my stuff safe
@@maddhatter0 you are very smart
Oh man i still remember playing browser games with shockwave. Good times.
If anything, I skipper a heartbeat when I saw RIPDer8auer
Just ordered my modmat, thanks Steve. It will be perfect for my nephews and his first build
I don't know what adobe is thinking, but i used shockwave & flash not for CD roms, but browsers, because some browsers even in 2019 still require you to use shockwave or wave!
Yea Well: Both Apps Are Seriously Like, The Biggest Security Risk Factors On Ones [PC] Now-a-Day's, So... It's Only Really Packaged With Browsers; For Being Used In Playing Shady Online Flash Game's
Which Are Hosted On Somewhat Sketchy & Unscrupulous Web Site's & Also Used By Some (Legacy) Internet Application's...
*[On Adobe Shockwave/Flash (Security) - From [Wikipedia]: Some security experts advise users to uninstall Adobe Shockwave Player because "it bundles a component of Adobe Flash that is more than 15 months behind on security updates, and which can be used to backdoor virtually any computer running it", in the words of Brian Krebs. This opinion is based on research by Will Dormann, who goes on to say that Shockwave is architecturally flawed because it contains a separate version of the Flash runtime that is updated much less often than Flash itself. Additionally Krebs writes that "Shockwave has several modules that don’t opt in to trivial exploit mitigation techniques built into Microsoft Windows, such as SafeSEH."]*
*[As of February 12, 2015; Adobe Flash Player has over (400 CVE: Entries), of which over (300) lead to arbitrary code execution, & past vulnerabilities have enabled spying via web cameras. Security Experts have long predicted the demise of Flash, saying that with the rise of HTML5 "...the need for browser plugins such as Flash is diminishing", as only 7 to 10 percent of websites still use it.]*
So Therefore... Things Like Malicious Cross-Site Scripting Attacks, Buffer-Stack "Overflow" Attacks, System Memory Attacks & Thus Giving Direct Access To Spying On One's Direct-(VGA): Output...
These Are All Huge (High Value) "Targets" or "Attack Vectors" For (Bad Actors) To-Go After... So Untill It's EoL, Unscrupulous Actors Will Continue To Exploit These Major Flaws For Personal Gains!
Especially Towards A Highly Popular & Extremely Unsecure Program; That's Running On Nearly Everyone's Personal Computer!
And Besides It's Kinda Redundant In Today's Internet Anyways!
shockwave is NOT flash & was extremely rare to see on websites, it was originally used for gpu+storage access
0:18 OUCH, that Asus jab there, brutal
Hey Steve. What happened your face,was it a biking spill or is it a couple of spots? Hope you are ok whatever happened. Keep rockin' dude
Man, I remember alot of web games I played used shockwave. Good times.
So long shockwave. It was nice using yah.
Yeah... me too. I remember going on shockwave.com in the late 90's and being blown away with what was now possible. I'll honestly be a bit nostalgic that it's now going away - tons of stuff will not be compatible - well, if it was still online, which I suppose a lot of it isn't.
What!! Don't scare me like that! I thought 8auer died!
3:36 Certain new video cards? Do you know something we don't?
Felix Brakel Still waiting on the Kingpin cards...
Heads up for new Nvidia driver was very appreciated.
Im still waiing for a decently priced 4k 120hz monitor thats 27" +. Then ill upgrade my 1080ti...maybe.
why 120 hz? they're more likely to aim for 144hz
himynameistim I got 67 fps on my Titan Xp (Star Wars edition) on Fortnite... I do have one system that can run 100+ fps in 4k Ultra (100 in Crysis 3 4k Ultra vs 45 from the Titan), but I don’t think it supports the DP protocol for 120 Hz!
It’s my 4x Fury build (doesn’t even have HDMI 2.0...). Hopefully they allow duel cables or something (it does fine running my 3x 4k 60 Hz, so it should work). Nvidia needs to allow 4x again, as it is, it’s not really an upgrade option for me (Vega VII doesn’t allow CF since it might hurt Instinct sales, and Vega 64 officially doesn’t support the 4x, though it probably would run anyways since I doubt the forcefully locked the consumers out like Nvidia did in Pascal and Newer with artificial locks).
120Hz would be doable (I target for 240 fps in Fortnite due to input lag and consistency reasons, but it requires mixed medium/low), however it kind of kills the point of 4k, it kills the “Ultra amazing graphics” for me. I think 1440p 144+ Hz is the best gaming resolution, as a bonus, the monitors are affordable, and hardware exists that can actually run it! I’m out of desk space though.... I get 66hz overclocking my monitors though if that’s of any consolation!
@@shawnpitman876 120 would be "good enough" for me. 144hz is fine too and i'd take it. The price has to be reasonable. Right now they're asking like $600 + for a 27 4k 144hz display and only a few exist. Ideally I'd want a 4k 32" 120hz+ panel that was good quality and will last. I wouldn't pay more than $500 for a display, however. They're just not worth it.
@@timothyandrewnielsen You're never going to get what you want then. Cause you're COMPLETELY unreasonable. " I wouldn't pay more than $500 for a display" Yea, good luck with that bud, if you did manage to find any 4k 120/144hz panel for anywhere near $500, it'd be a shit one with crap color reproduction and likely shit response times.
I mean, why get the 9990XE now when we can just wait for the 9999XXX?
"He did have to wait for Asus to help him so that's understandable" - Shots fired, Lmao!
Oh Roman's video went up on my birthday, how didn't I see this present
the caseking price is with taxes included. all german (even european?) prices for non corporate customers are shown with taxes included. so only +shipping here
Problem with steams HW survey is that they don't survey it all or completely randomly. I remember getting one 4 years ago with 2 computers back. Have not seen one since. How do you even expect it to reflect reality if they basically update the survey couple of times in a decade for average steam user?
And most people click "don't ask me again" after first submission
0:14 Lol, what a burn^^ xD
This video got me laughing even before the intro, not bad Steve, not bad.
Sure tensor cores may be needed to properly do ray tracing, I'm sure AMD and others disagree and will prove that's not true but, let's assume that it's true that only tensor cores can properly do ray tracing that still leaves us with the tiny issue that nVidia didn't provide enough of those tensor cores on their product to make the feature usable to their primary market.
Tensor cores and RT cores are not the same thing. RTX cards have both of them.
*ＪＵＳＴＢＵＹＩＴ*
What kind of recommendation can gamernexus give on cooling for rtx 2070/2080/2080ti cards?
I have a zotac amp 2080, and the cooling is effecticesure, but once those fans pick up more then half their speed they are VERY noisy, I'd like to know if I'd be able to get a decent aftermarket cooler for the card.can we get a video on that?
Why are OEM's so slow to put out Zen based mobile solutions? Zen based laptops are very thin on the ground.
Good tech update. Intel on the struggle bus this year 😂✌️
Energmax has new AIO water coolers. There's a Aquafusion 240 and a Liqtech 240. Could you guys do a teardown/comparison/review of these? I have been waiting for them to bring the Liqtech TR4 aesthetic to mainstream desktop.
What about MSI and AMD problem with zen 2 support for X370 and B350 Motherboards?
can you do more info on the dual system computers thats crazy
@AskGN Are you guys going to be testing DXR on the Pascal cards you have? Thanks. o7
@2:36 it looks like that one big chip in the forefront inset case has 23 cores...cheesus crust...
Two topics this time around:
~ RTX Functionality on Pascal: As I do not have a Pascal series Quadro at my disposal to test with the new drivers, it would be nice to know if RTX functionality is capable of working with the Tesla P100 and Quadro P4000 to P6000 and GP100 cards, for if it does and it works extremely well, this might help out in prolonging their lifespan deep into the point where Nvidia, PNY, and Hewlett~Packard are no longer selling Pascal series Quadro and Tesla GPUs, effectively giving them purpose to purchase over their GeForce counterparts from that generation if money is not an obstacle and consumers don't want to get an RTX 4000 or Tesla T4 for the time being.
~ 9990XE: To know now that the 9990XE is no longer confined to the Auction Only market truly shows how important having 05 Gigahertz (Stable) on all cores is to the Consumer and Enthusiast base, this chip is easily one of the hottest and most brutally power consuming that Intel has released (after all, it is simply a heavily overclocked 9940X with extreme wattage and heating issues; wishfully Ice and Meteor Lake X will be significantly more bearable on the power draw here, Skylake was easily the worst of the current era when it came to ridiculous temps and TDP) and will be what'll hold over many people while they wait for Ice/Tiger/Alder and Meteor Lake to come along; the only problem that I worry about with the 9990XE though will be its overall supply, not because of the chip shortage at Intel, but because of Prebuilt Desktops that will have it, I can only imagine how much of these Intel will be pumping out on a normal basis before Skylake X is retired outright and if my worries on this are justifiably proven true, then the 9990XE could remain in a similar spot as the 5775C on Amazon at this time: Reasonably priced at launch, but only badly spiking in cost as it ages over time, effectively making it pointless to purchase when compared to a modern alternative (I can see the Meteor Lake~based 13900K and 13990XE easily being able to deliver far better results than the 9990XE in this regard, come 2023 and '24), it would be a shame if this were to happen but that is a very firm possibility under the current circumstances.
Hi Steve, I live in the UK. If I order multiple items of merchandise will they all ship in one package. If not, then I'll end up paying import administration charges (on top of import duty) multiple times. Can you assure me they will ship in one package? Thanks very much.
Please email support@gamersnexus.net. We can make sure everything ships together.
hey the motherboard in the beginning is the one i have! gigabyte auros master. yeaaa buddy
Retail prices in Europe, are usually with taxes included.
In the case of importing from EU you may still have import duty taxes.
In regards to the AMD console APU, I wonder if the deals AMD have with Sony and MS prevent them for selling something similar for PCs? Seems like having a cheap nextgen console level performing pc would sell well.
I tried the new driver on my 1080Ti on Unreal Engine 4, it works great. Actually, before NVIDIA rolls out their driver, DXR can run on any devices includes Intel graphics(just super slow, 6~8fps). The only thing changes in the driver is to allow other programs to run their RTX technology. haha
4:44 Interesting, the main reason I didn't get Ryzen or new Intel is because of Windows 10.
I ordered some small form factor PCs last year, got them last month thanks to Intel. The AMD variant uses old A9 APUs and they have problems with Igel OS and VMware BLAST :-(
I want to know what the best cooling solution AIO setup would be for an I9 9900K at 5.2ghz on a z390 dark im really trying to push this cpu but i cannot seem to get it passed 5.1 comfortably thanks!
Asetech sold an AllInOne unit that could probably push it to 6Ghz. The Vapochill LS was a champ, but it’s kind of heavy and expensive (not really compared to most “extreme water cooling”, lol, I have to laugh at those). I’ve got mine testing long term effects on FX platform, -60c idle and core temp doesn’t exceed 0c under full load (block temp is -35c, the CPU doesn’t report lower than 0c so I’m not sure on the exact temp, just that it’s lower). It’s good for 24/7 on CPUs, I think with all the hot as Hell Intel chips that these would sell great if they made them again.
You did ask for the best all in one, I wouldn’t use less on the 9900k. Might be difficult to find one though, don’t forget to actually read the manual or your chip may be dead in 20 minutes.
Hey i appreciate the response what is running that daily like and would it be reasonable?
Is there an alternative that exists this day in age? I dont mind paying the price.
@@dex32145 Long response, because it will answer almost any question you have (If you need a guide, post it in the comments on the video I linked). But basically, its noisier than a typical AIO (however my Titan Xp is like 3x louder, so you don't hear the phase cooler except at idle, and its not that loud, link below at the end showing mine in action, I was talking softly not to wake people, so it sounds louder in the video than it actually is). Its expense I feel is reasonable if you justified a $500+ CPU for gaming, lol! (I spend a lot too, I got a TR-1950x instead, barely cheaper, but I needed the PCIe lanes for running 4x crossfire so I could run 4k Ultra gaming. I also definitely use all 16 cores for workstation tasks! Its a champ!). You can use this on your next upgrade as well, its a cooler, so you just keep using it and keep taking advantage of its massive overclock potential.
The cons:
Risky (kind of), but so is overclocking (and like overclocking, you void your warranty).
Heavy (if you move your PC around a lot for some reason, do note this will add about 40 pounds or 20 KG to your machine).
Little bit of noise, but its really not much (if you can stand to be in the same room as a mechanical HDD, then you'll be fine... Normal HDD's drive me insane) and the phase sounds cool to me, its a low pitch hum/whine with occasional hissing and boiling sounds that is eerie and kind of spookie, but very cool sounding.
Expensive (sometimes... I got mine for a steal, I recently paid $400 for a cup of copper for LN2 overclocking, and this daily phase cooler actually cost way LESS than that! Its actually not bad considering people spend like $100 on a radiator, and $50 on a CPU block, then $50 on a pump, then in all honesty its like $80 minimum in stupid fittings if you want to do hardline water cooling, so you're already spending more than I paid for something that goes sub-zero!, and that's not including the rigid hoses, or heck I didn't even include fans in that item list...).
Setup time is the worst (initial setup, once its done its golden, and you don't have to mess with it again most likely, or until your next upgrade).
Power consumption will go up a lot (your chip is already molten Lava, whats another 300w though? I run 1100w TDP system when stock, as if I ran it stock though! LOL! My electric bill is pretty low, like $20 a month typically, max has been $40, but that's for my whole house. Its not that much more, I mean, its already a $500+ CPU that you have, I'd get all the performance you could out of it)
Pros: EXTREME COLD! I mean, FX at insane voltages with core temps peaking below 0c?!? That's crazy... You can also run ludicrous voltage that would degrade a CPU into a potato within a week as your "everyday phase voltage". Like wow, I bet FX would be crapped out at 1.7v for after long, and honestly I'd run 1.8v if my cheapo board didn't have a BIOS limit at that... But on phase I bet it will be fine for a year at least even hammering it 24/7.
Also your overclocks will be outlandishly high on that CPU, der8aur (the famous German overclocker that has set every world record from 7700k, to 6 core when Ryzen came out, all the way up to duel socket records with Epyc) showed that the 9900k scales ridiculously amazing below 0c (like unbelievable compared to any other CPU I've seen... I would not run those on air after I've seen these results, they are seriously handicapped on water...)
Is it worth it? Well I'd say so. But... Do note that you had better be able to replace your motherboard and CPU at the MINIMUM if things were to go wrong, a lot of users have made mistakes (like not packing the socket with the thermal paste or dielectric grease like the manual says. Guess what happened 2 weeks later? The pins rusted... That's why you follow the directions... Or they think oh gee, I think its fine to not put the insulation on it, I mean its only -60c on the cooler! Well, guess who learned about water condensation, because they didn't read the instructions...). Its still moderately safe (especially compared to my water cooling, I had over 5 water leaks today! That's not even close to my record, that's just kind of typical sadly...), but you do want to take it slow, just follow the manual, and you'll be alright. Since you've already tested and verified your hardware is working, you won't need to worry about warranty, so you can go ahead with the kind of messy process (you water-proof everything, lots of options though, I use Vaseline for short term, as in months or weeks, because I can heatgun it to drip out clean, or you can use plasti-dip sprays or fingernail polish etc. Its mostly a backup in case your heaters or insulation fail, but its one extra layer that would need to fail before damage is done, so I just take all the safety precautions. It does take a little prep time, but once its done right, its done! And you'll have a lot better piece of mind).
Here is my phase cooler, I'm actually not sure how it got that hot, I think it was 100*F in the house at the time, and I had a heater at 38w instead of 5w on the block, so the outside plastic was really hot, I over-estimated how much heat I'd need!)
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@@jakegarrett8109 right so doing this i will have to dip my z390 dark right? That would be my approach
Personally, another reason why we have RTX on GTX cards, is to get more developers to implement it. Since some developers might not have RTX cards to do proper testing and developing on RTX features and this would allow those developers to do it. Since if you are testing RTX, especially as developer, 20FPS is fine to see how it looks and if it works. Though I am pretty sure nVidia is also betting on human psychology of gamer not being able to max out settings and therefore feeling like they are missing out and upgrade. It could get especially nasty with default presets, where they could try manipulating developers in turning on RTX on high and ultra preset, showing a way more significant framerate drops in order to encourage upgrades. Also I am pretty sure increasing pool of users is also there for same reason. But I am pretty sure this wasn't done out of goodness of their hearts, but rather calculated marketing move.
How is 3000 euros roughly equal to 2800 dollars? Thought it was more like 3390
16:37 In addition to taxes? Are you sure about that? Or do you mean when importing to the US?
The new IE 11 bug is supposedly allow them to take over your pc. If IE 11 is installed and enabled on your device and even if you use another web browser, they too become affected to that IE 11 bug.
The point at 5:35 about Dell/Lenovo/HP is kinda BS. They're not affected maybe as much, but they're definitely suffering. Our lead times on *shipping* have doubled from our delivery times on our past orders this year compared to even late last year.
I wonder if Allyn Malventano had anything to do with the H10.
Hey Steve, how about an Allyn interview?
Hey Steve, why do consoles use APU chips?
RIP my DOA Master Motherboard. RMA'ing now, someone please wish me luck 🥺
@@kewanu8970 Thank you sir!
Sorry to hear. 😞 Hope you get good one!
Talking about AMD making a add for Gigabyte Aorus Intel Z390 MoBo???
Man, the one time I don't get the Steam hardware survey is right after I upgrade my PC :(
There are problems with the Steam hardware survey that have existed for a while. First, why confuse people with "Number of CPUs". Are we talking about servers here? Just call them cores. Second, there are a lot of internet cafes, and these accounts change with every user, so millions of users are reporting this same hardware over and over again. Third, it's an opt-in survey. Not all setups are accounted for. I don't know for sure, but I don't think the total number of users was listed here, either. These machines should be by IP or MAC address, not user (Internet cafe thing).
In Germany Tax (19%) is always included in the Price...there may be import taxes of you buy it from the US.
The new German migrants need money! Soon Germany will be Iraq
VESA Standard??? Bottomline first: Do you know of any efforts to standardize the placement of VESA mounts on the backs of monitors?
I don't like most manufacturers' monitor mounting stands. They're never tall enough, and whatever I put them on is always in the way on my desk, or even worse, unstable. So when possible I like to use wall, or sometimes table, mounting brackets. Fortunately, most monitors now seem to come with VESA mount mounting holes. And while luckily they are centered horizontally, you never know where the manufacturer is going to put them vertically. I just finished wall-mounting two different monitors next to one another. One had a nicely centered VESA mount, but the other's was 13cm higher than center. Besides making the marking and drilling on the wall more complicated, it's nearly impossible to use that monitor in "portrait" orientation.
Background (aka: extraneous blah, blah, blah...) I've been doing electronics of one form or another, professionally and personally, for about 40 years. But in all that time I had never built a PC from the ground up...until last month. With the help of several TH-cam channels such as yours, it was extremely fun, and almost too simple. One of the things that made it so, was all the standards that manufacturers are using to the benefit of themselves and their customer base. e.g. If I buy (from reputable vendors) an ATX case and an ATX motherboard, I can logically assume they'll work together. I really liked that, and it made component selection and assembly a breeze. Not so for VESA!! (End of rant.)
Thanks for your time. (MCP: End of Line.)
note: european prices usually have taxes allready included. keep that in mind when taking a look at german websites and their prices
Pretty sure Puget could have gotten more than one if they wanted more than one. Pretty sure they just wanted to evaluate it and decided that the limited availability outweighed the benefits of offering the CPU.
No one uses CDs... well excuse you but some people like to actually OWN their music
I like to actually own music I don't actually own. That's what I use them for.
I don't want RTX on my GTX. I love muh frames.
n00bHaMmEr - I think it’s cool that they are letting us try it at least, though. Playing on High/RTX High on my 1080ti I can play the BFV campaign at 1080p 🤷♂️
@@TechWithSean 1080p is unacceptable, especially with anything less than 100fps.
same
@@zackaryk2000 1080p is totally fine. And not everybody need 100 FPS. 40-50 FPS is fine for casuals. You only need 60 in Multiplayer. Everything more is only for competitive players, but you won't find many in battlefield.
it always depends on the person, if someone started to enjoy those 144hz with 144fps game and going below with the fps because of nonsence reflections, it will hurt eyes.. @@rophlcopter
The €12,999 is INCLUDING taxes but likely not shipping. EU companies that sell to consumers are required by law to include taxes in the prices they show.
Raytraced quake 2 looks pretty fucking cool. Not gonna buy an rtx yet but I'm excited for it to get more use.
2 month delay. Seems to align with the typical timeframe for an Asus RMA to go through.
If my CPU supports 16 PCI-e lanes, will adding NVMe drives slow down my graphics?
Matt Harden usually NVME drives use 4 lanes of the pci bus. The gpu, you will have to find out on google how many lanes they require
Depends on the board and which PCIe lanes the m.2 uses. If it’s running off the CPU lanes then your GPU will drop to 8x vs 16. Most chipsets have additional lanes. Refer to your motherboard manual for this info.
Now performance loss would be determined by what GPU you’re running. Most GPUs don’t saturate all 16 lanes so unless you’re using a 2080ti which (from my memory) is the closest to saturating all 16 lanes.
I didn't get the meaning of the RIP in the title...
I think you can write a description of RIP in the video detail, just copy and paste.
I don't care the overclocking, I just need the news of A company.
Then don't watch that segment.
Well played by Nvidia on gamers. There's still a catch. Now us Pascal owners see that Ray Tracing isn't really a big deal or at least still needs to mature and stay very content with what we still own.
Shame we can't test that same raytracing performance on AMD hardware :)
With the compute performance of vega/r7
@@Tallnerdyguy AMD will come out with a driver sooner rather than later
As usual, AMD (or Intel) will come out with an royalty-free and open standard and Nvidia will stop using its own API. The green team never learns.
I'm almost as excited for ray tracing as I am for PhysX.
@@PainterVierax well DXR is the direct X raytracing api so im not sure how nvidia is stopping amd and intel from supporting dxr but whatever en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX_Raytracing
I can't help but wonder why a vulnerability that requires administrator and physical access to the system is considered a vulnerability at all.
You have much bigger problems when you have security issues with a person that has that kind of access.
Xfinity still uses Flash to stream it's videos online.. Chrome forces me to enable flash every time I visit the site.
Hm, interesting. I bet we'll be seeing news on the next generation of console hardware at E3.
Shockwave...now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time
The price of the prebuild system of caseking is with taxes but not with import taxes like it is with all online products offered from Germany.
> * Alle Preise inkl. gesetzl. Mehrwertsteuer zzgl. Versandkosten und ggf. Nachnahmegebühren, wenn nicht anders beschrieben
Translated: All prices include taxes. Additionally shipping costs and cost of buying on last name.
Interesting to see Windows MR rapidly growing and the Vive headsets slipping.
I believe there was an official statement a year ago from either Sony or Microsoft saying 2021 was the target for the next generation consoles, with that being said I don't think anyone should be shocked enough to call this a leak as it probably should be near completion for the APU, Id expect release in the spring after a CES or E3 announcement and demo. AMD right now just represents the best overall value, sure it won't give the top tier performance in most games, but the value beyond that is extensive, people could be betting on Core counts outweighing frequency in the near future, there are also the massive security leaks in the Intel arch. so that may be a driving factor for enterprise as well.
About Intel iGPUs, I own a "dual graphics" (Nvidia Optimus) laptop. If I'm not running anything that wakes up the discrete GPU or have no external monitor plugged in, Steam will only record that I have an HD 630 iGPU because the GTX 1070 is on a sleep state. And even if the GTX 1070 is running it will still show that I also have the HD 630 since it still has to "pipe" the GTX 1070 framebuffer to display it on the laptop's screen.
EDIT: I'm pretty wrong, this is the output of Steam's "System Information", and it doesn't even show the GTX 1070 while having two external monitors plugged into mini-DP ports that connect directly to the dGPU (I have the circuit schematics and the only output the HD 630 has is the eDP for the laptop's display):
Video Card:
Driver Not Detected
DirectX Driver Name: igdumdim32.dll
Driver Version Not Detected
DirectX Driver Version: 25.20.100.6519
Driver Date Not Detected
OpenGL Version: 4.5
DirectX Card: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630
VendorID: 0x8086
DeviceID: 0x3e9b
Revision Not Detected
Number of Monitors: 3
Number of Logical Video Cards: 3
No SLI or Crossfire Detected
Primary Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Desktop Resolution: 5760 x 1080
Primary Display Size: 20.00" x 11.26" (22.91" diag)
50.8cm x 28.6cm (58.2cm diag)
Primary Bus Type Not Detected
Primary VRAM Not Detected
Supported MSAA Modes: 2x 4x 8x 16x
Yayyy this will be good for us all!!!
LOL "der8auer finally responded to OC challenge couple of months late, he needed to wait for ASUS to help him" . Brilliant :D
Nice bruise on your forhead. Fun biking this weekend?
12 999eur is including taxes. So only shipping and import toll will be due additionally.
Sales tax may be higher in Europe, but usually it hides pretty well :p
P.S. Everyone if you use Windows 10 disable IE 11 as there's a new bug in it that also effects Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc. if IE 11 is enabled on your pc.
For Windows 8, 7, Vista, XP, etc. it's time to upgrade as you can't avoid this bug like Windows 10 can.
What's the bug do?
When Steam is counting the Intel integrated GPU,it could stand for a system with no other GPU,like some of my friends who use laptops without separate GPUs
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I wonder how much if any of that dropping trend of PCs, is that some just don't like the 'Android' like interface on a PC/workstation where the classic XP interface is simply preferred. For many, the lackluster boost in performance on a PC that is more difficult to use, simply may not be a good selling point.
If someone has a 6700k with win7 that works, it's a hard sell for a 7700k that is at best 5% faster and only works with win10 that has a drastically different feel to its interface that doesn't work some times at random. An 8700k or 9700k may have been a smidgen better of a sell, however, that win10 thing, I don't know. I'd rather keep the win7 box for making stuff that requires an accurate mouse pointer and relegates the newer win10 box to just crunching numbers in a closet to free up the CPU on the box with an interface that works.
As much as some 3rd party apps try to make Win10 'Look' like XP/win7, the actual user-interface features simply are not there (a mouse pointer that works without jumping around the screen when left-clicking something, menus that don't require multiple clicking to brows submenus that actually work when you click for them, the ability to set unique fonts font-sizes and colors for each part of the interface independently, the ability to hold off updates till the hours-long render has finished instead of wiping out a day's of work in the middle of a render to do forced-updates, etc). Grrrrr. At least the R7 is fast at rendering and the PM01 looks pretty and keeps it's cool, lol.
is that 1.6ghz CPU clock? was seriously hoping the consoles would address the serious CPU bottleneck next gen that game dev's have complained about.
1.6 base 3.2 boost, and it's an 8 core zen 2 so it's way better than jaguar any way 😅
@@GaufresAuSucre yet not good enough and will still be the system bottleneck. Ryzen 2 as it is, is already bottlenecking GPUs. Let's clock a Ryzen 2700x to 3.2 GHz and see how bad it bottlenecks a 1080 Ti..
@@Code-n-Flame we will see in 2020 😅
@@Code-n-Flame and ps5 goal is to play at 4k so ryzen 3 won't be a bottleneck, even for vr I don't think it will bottleneck an 1080ti equivalent
But anyway we will see how zen 2 do in 2/3 month 😊
To hell with 4k, give us 60fps, and room for more complexed gameplay, devs for years had to make significant cutback on GAMEPLAY because of weak cpu, and thats before considering graphics and performance
aw shit did I miss the survey for steam?
I hope there will be a GN review of the new ROG Strix Helios case . I've seen it on the Asus website and in a couple of videos from CES 2019 . I especially want to know if the airflow/thermals and cable management will be any good
Please review the RTX2090 ;-)
LOL That's a good one. Did you see last year's with all the 3dfx Voodoo 5 board ? Hilarious. God knows how he does it.
@@clansome Yeah and the Bumholio bench lol
@@granthampson5917 BitchinFast wasn't it !!