T3 should have been a prequel that takes place in the final days of the war, ending with John sending Kyle back to 1984, basically bringing the franchise together in a neatly contained trilogy
It makes me sad that there are reviewers on TH-cam that just scream in anger or use the words "like" every two words in and they have a million subs. Then you got Oliver Harper who is thorough, precise, well spoken, and breaks down reviews in organized categories (intro, movie review, score, game/merchandise, connected material, etc) and he has like 40,000 subs. Wth?!
Thanks for your support buddy, generally when people say "like" a lot is usually when they talk unscripted I say it sometimes when doing stuff like a podcast and your brain is ticking over trying to form an opinion but I know what you mean about the screaming angry rants, i think me and my colleagues only had a major outburst when we reviewed RoboCop 2014.
Oliver Harper No problem man I try to send everyone I know to your channel. And angry rants are fine from time to time, it shows that you have a passion for your hobby (Robocop and Batman v Superman made me want to scream as well, LOL) but you don't JUST do that. I hope over time you get WAY more subscribers man because you deserve it.
I honestly think T2 is a bit overrated. Its a great movie and it’s one of my favorites. But there’s so many good movies out there and good sequels that it’s probably impossible to say without a doubt which series or movie is the best.
T3 is a guilty pleasure at the end of the day but for me I’d rather take this film over anything after it any day because it does make the series a watchable and lovely trilogy ❤️
I don't find myself returning to this bilge. Ditto T2 and its SGI tech demo pretending to be a new terminator. Terminator is a masterpiece that never needed a sequel. If it was to be given one anyway, it really should have been about the future war and mankind's eventual victory over the machines. A third film might then have been plausible. I could envision the two sequels as telling the story of the rise of the machines in the first sequel, ending on a dark and desperate note akin to The Empre Strikes Back, and the second sequel could then have related the events from man's near-extinction to the ultimate victory over SkyNet and the sending of the terminator and Kyle Reese into the past to fulfil the events of the original. All of this was perfectly achievable even so many years after the first film had been made, too, so there was really no excuse for T2 and T3 being what they are, namely bad rehashes of the original film's plot with growing levels of absurdity and basic incompetence in the writing.
@@eliaspeter7689 Salvation is decent, but it's the script that lets it down as everything else--directing, acting, action, effects-- is actually pretty good.
The fact that this movie was connected to T1. Skynet becoming self aware and that it is a kind of a new intel. That part was great. The circle was complete.
Before you all start spitting at me. Here me out. I don't think Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is the worst Terminator film. It was good, but it was not as good as Terminator 2: Judgment Day. They should had left it alone at the end of T2. T2 had the perfect ending. I think Terminator Salvation is the worst Terminator film. It was not the same without Arnold and it wasn't fantastic. I think it is a same fans of critics hated Terminator Genisys. Why all the hate? I really enjoyed Terminator Genisys. I thought it was the best Terminator film since Terminator 2: Judgment Day. I thought Emilia Clarke was brilliantly cast as Sarah Connor. But, I did not like Jai Courtney. He was badly cast and his acting was shit. I thought the writing was good. Especially how they explained why Guardians looks older. Terminator 3 and Terminator 5 were the only Terminator movies I saw on the big screen. I did not see Terminator 2 on the big screen because I was too young. I was only 7 at the time. Love or hate it, I love Terminator Genisys and as far as I am concerned - Terminator 2 Judgent and Terminator Genisys are the best.
The worst part of Genesis for me is absolutely ruining Kyle Reese. He was such an amazing character in T1, and they just discarded the character completely. Genesis Sarah was a cheap, "modernized" imitation of T2 Sarah, but Genesis Reese was a dumb jock. Even T3 John resembled Reese better than Genesis Reese
After this and on I need a Terminator that is a HARD R rating with literally no humor whatsoever. No overstatingly obvious and cringe inducing politics. Just a fucking balls to the wall action horror movie
Why is it that I, a young adult who just watched the first two films more times then is probably healthy and read the original scripts (very interesting, we learn the terminator has to eat to keep the skin alive in an unshot scene!) think I could write better Terminator dialogue then any of the three sequels after T2?!
Compared to Genisys Rise of Machines is a masterpiece. I still watch it with pleasure, because it has pretty good handmade action scenes and good tension. Not to mention it has an R-Rating.
Rise of the machines get so much crap which I never realized until I got older and I don’t know why it wasn’t that bad it was entertaining what more could you want from a Terminator movie.
Terminator 3 seemed low-Budget compared to the previous 2 but it still held its own as a solid terminator movie I think most people give it crap because James Cameron wasn’t a part of this movie being made.
Linda Hamilton's presence is sadly missed in T3. Sarah is arguably the main character in the first two Terminator movies. She is the protagonist in Terminator & the narrator in T2. The films are Sarah's story.
Terminator 3 was the last movie in the series that still made logical sense but was less compelling than the previous two. Time travel in the terminator series is complicated but was explained further in the Sarah Connor Chronicles where every time someone goes back into the past to change things it creates a new timeline or alternate future so the experience of one person is completely different for someone else in the future depending on when they travel back in time. This is demonstrated where John Connor's uncle who came back earlier has a different experience and memory from his girlfriend who later came back. This would explain how Skynet is inevitable where if you stop its existence at one point then its rebirth might occur somewhere else. The machines in the future could sense a disruption in the timeline and send something back to correct it each time to ensure its existence in the future. This was shown in Frank Miller's comic Robocop vs. Terminator. The entire time travel aspect becomes really confusing after awhile if you dwell on it too long. In the original timeline, John Connor is born and helps destroy the machine. The father is not Kyle Reese but someone else. Machines build a time machine and remake the past so that it helps create Skynet and Kyle Reese now becomes the father. This new future sends a terminator back to kill John Connor when he's a teenager which winds up killing Miles Dyson of Cyberdyne and helps mold John Connor into the leader needed to defeat Skynet in the future. That's when things get a little murky but the SCC helps explain this with the idea that Skynet is preparing for war by sending multiple terminators back to gather supplies, help R&D with cpu, assassinate certain individuals or corporate competitors to Cyberdyne, etc. so the future keeps changing and Skynet becomes inevitable. Anyways, I didn't hate this movie as much as some people. I think the third film should have shown John Connor destroying Skynet in the future and end with the machines sending someone back in time and Kyle Reese following him to round out the trilogy.
Nice review, Oliver, but @8:54 is a minor common misconception. Neither the TX or the T-1000 actually "stole" their victims' outfits. They merely mimicked them. That's why the outfits would heal along with their bodies whenever damaged.
Yyyyyyyy...no. “Dark Fate” really hasn’t altered my perception of T3. It just continued that trend where none of sequels are good or meets expectations.
I was bummed when I found out people didn't really like this movie as I was pretty happy with it when I saw it back in the day. I really loved how bleak the ending was and Claire Danes is always a win.
I think The Sarah Connor Chronicles did some wonderful twists and turns on the concept. It was intelligent, and had a great cast. Sadly, just when the story arc turned very interesting, it was cancelled. Worth watching.
Yes, it did take them a bit to find their feet... doing the time jump to bring them up to the present... but the Summer Glau character's background was very cool. The Shirley Manson character was great, too. I could say more, but that would involve spoilers... ^_^ They could/should use some of these plot events, condensed, in the films.
Sarah Connor Chronicles seems to divide the fans, but I agree that it was a great series. Loved Lena Headey - thought she did a kickass Sarah Connor. The episodes with Cromartie were awesome.
I just loved the idea of the series basically giving the finger to T-3. That's when Cameron told Sarah; if they hadn't time jumped, she would've died of cancer.
The writing in the second season was awful though, but I think that was due to the writer's strike. No reason to cancel it, but the first season was the best. The VFX were a bit ropy throughout though as TV effects hadn't quite caught up to movies yet. If they made it now on Netflix with a large budget and much better CGI I think it would be a mega-hit. It was unfortunately hamstring by the limits of TV production at the time.
I can see being pissed off in 2003. But in 2019 I was surprised how much fun I had watching this movie. The finale helps me overlook any of the repetitive parts early in the film.
I really liked this movie and its awesome ending. Arnold looks great for his age and the actress playing the new terminator did a good job imo. Nick Stahl had an impossible task of playing John Connor and did decent. I thought Katherine was the best human character by far
I'm glad I was only 11 back in 2003, cause I was too young to understand that it wasn't a good movie and weren't disappointed. The only thing I didn't like was the ending, which I now think is the best part of the movie. I still like the humor and the action, but I would probably have give it something like a C+ or a 6/10.
PLEASE do a Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles retrospective! Introspective in nature, thought provoking and surprisingly moving- It's THE sequel to T2 and better than T3, Salvation and Genesys combined. Criminally underrated show!
No it wasn't. What part of T2 did you miss? THEY STOPPED JUDGEMENT DAY AT THE END OF T2. Continuing beyond that point is IMPOSSIBLE. There is NOTHING to create Skynet with. Dyson is DEAD, all his notes are DESTROYED, Cyberdyne and all it's servers are DESTROYED, the T-800's CPU from T1 and it's Arm are DESTROYED, both the new T-800 and T-1000 are DESTROYED. There is NOTHING LEFT FOR SKYNET TO BE CREATED WITH. So how in the fuck can you continue? There is nothing left. What part of that did you so called fans miss? The T-800 made it perfectly clear in T2 that Dyson was the man most responsible and then Dyson in T2 basically told them they were creating the nerual net processor based off the reverse engineering of the CPU from the T-800 that was smashed by Sarah at the Cyberdyne Factory in 1984 (aka the end of T1). It is made point blank clear that the only reason SKYNET exists is because of the time anomaly from the first film and T1 IS THE ORIGINAL TIME before you even start that shit there is NO 1984 WITHOUT REESE AND THE T-800, so don't fucking start. T1 makes that point PERFECTLY CLEAR. So ANYTHING after T2 JUST DOESN'T FUCKING WORK. END OF DISCUSSION.
Dude, how am I just now discovering your channel? Your videos are a perfect mix of objective criticism and good old fashioned nostalgia with a dash of humor. Subbed for life!
Terminator franchise is like when you are fixing something. It's tight enough but then you think you need another couple turns. Then wind up stripping a screw
I really liked Terminator Salvation. The delivered on something that I had only dreamed of since Reese mentioned it in the first movie, and it was an onscreen version of the T-600 which I thought looked awesome
I thought it was fairly decent I don't get why people hate it, it has a lot going on. With a little less CGI and slightly better actors and dialogue it could have been very good.
@@chatteyj Little less CGI? Do you know how many practical effects they used for Salvation? I really like people saying, nah bad CGI for any film they don't like, just because...
Must admit, this movie had balls. Not many action films end with humans being close to extinction, at least without directly setting up a sequel where it will all be fixed.
It simply didn't need to be made, to an even bigger extent than T3. Like was mentioned in the video, everything is resolved in T2. They went to great lengths to show that the Terminator universe had been locked into a time loop where Skynet inadvertently ensured its own creation. Irrespective of the timeline before, that was the timeline NOW, and Skynet never existed, therefore there was no war. That's why the Arnold terminator says he must be destroyed; in order to preserve this new timeline there must be no way for Skynet to be created - that's why they destroyed everything at Cyberdyne, the pieces from the first terminator and finally the remaining terminator himself. My ranking is: Terminator / T2. Some fan-fic some people made to make money. Just like the Alien ranking is: Aliens Alien That is all.
Agreed. It took a few viewings for Salvation to grow on me, but it's definitely better than 3 and Genisys. At least it was an attempt at something new! The TV show was also quite good, but petered out in the second season.
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I really love the way you do your "Retrospective / Reviews", they were very professionals without the modern tendency of react if something wan't consider right or well done in the movie offering another alternative of what they could do. I don't know if this is the first video you do that, but don't take me wrong, in MY opinion that was what take you a part from the regular You tubers and you don't need to do that. Thanks a lot and keep the great work, i love it.
This is my second least favorite Terminator film. It's such a bland rehash of 2. The only saving grace is the finale scene which I find quite touching and tragic. Genesis is only worse than this because of the way it throws the first two films out of existence in universe. That and the terrible casting. At least Salvation tried to take the series in a new direction. Future war is where the series needed to go. Not constant attempts to rehash the second movie.
I could draw some parallels with Terminator 3 and another film from another film franchise, the unofficial James Bond film "Never Say Never Again". They may have had the characters, the story, and the original Bond playing Bond but, it did not capture anything close to the official series and was a major disappointment upon all levels. It showed that it takes more than just having the name and the actor to make a good Bond film. T3 had the same effect for me too. Both these films might have had the characters and the backstory but they did not have the series' essence in the product.
What always makes great films is the believability of the story. For example, Jurassic Park you could believe could actually exist. Extracting dinosaur DNA from fossilised mosquitos is completely plausible. They even go as far as to explain that not all the DNA would be preserved over time and any missing gene sequences would be filled with the closest relative, frogs. The idea of one day an artificial AI taking over the world isn't that far off from what actually could happen. The attention to detail the stories have, respects the audience's intelligence and they appreciate it and so believe the fiction.
Everybody calls Terminator 3 a carbon copy of T2 yet they seem to forget or simply don't want to acknowledge that T2 is basically a retread of the original anyway.
It takes some of the same beats but TWISTS them. Again, a protector is sent, who says "come with me if you wanna live", but this time it is THE TERMINATOR. In T3, it uses the same beats and the same lines, but nothing new is added.
I looked at T3 as copying elements of T1 (T-X operating more like the original T800 than the T1000, recreating the Kyle/Sarah dynamic with John/Kate) and even the original Planet of the Apes (reaching a misleading destination), instead of a cynical copy of T2
I agree with your review of this movie 100%, your ending with Peter Griffin standing up and saying "I'm Done" sums up my feelings about this movie completely.
3 main issues I've had with this movie. 1. Way too much badly written 'humour'. 2. TX was a terrible idea and awfully executed. 3. There is NOTHING new here. The best idea I've ever heard come up with for a sequel was to have Arnold as a human being who is fighting with the humans before the resistance is formed. It would have been poetic that Skynet used the face of it's enemy to kill their enemy. It's kind of what they did in Ter-Sal, but it wouldn't have been expected. The movie would have been about Arnold's character going from a forefather of the resistance to what he becomes in the first movie bringing him full circle.
For some reason, I got this on DVD when it came out. Sat on it for awhile. Then one day, out of boredom, I put it on. I was really surprised how much I ended up liking it. It wasn't the train wreck I thought it was going to be. And the ending really threw me off. It was an enjoyable film, but not great like T1 and T2. And looking back at it years later, It was kinda unnecessary. Still not bad though.
100% agreed with everything you said in this retrospective. Aside from all the obvious stuff, I'm glad you caught on to the occasionally very cheap production design that looked like it came out of a TV show. Especially in the third act. The magnetic accelerator control room has some of the most 90s TV sci-fi set nonsense I've ever seen, complete with hilariously oversized labels on buttons/levers.
This actually got an R rating in the US. My brother and I got kicked out for trying to buy tickets to 2 Fast 2 Furious and attempting to sneak in. Wasn't worthy of a R rating at all.
The music cue that starts around 31:35 is so on point. lmao "There was no planned James Cameron sequel. But the series would not be stopped. The sequel was released in July 2nd 2003. Just as they said it would. Terminator 3. The day the series was destroyed by the people who profited off it. We should've realized that the series ended at the end of the second one. The James Cameron knew. He tried to tell us. but we didn't want to hear it. Maybe the series will be saved. I don't know. All I know is what The Oliver Harper taught me. "Stick to Terminator 1 & 2" and I always will....The battle has just begun...."
T3 was always a great third entry. It was good plot twist about Judgement Day being only postponed and not stopped. The idea of a more advanced Terminator that can hack and control other Terminators was neat and turning T800 evil briefly was shocking. I never got the hate for Rise of the Machines. T3 was peak Terminator and it's was only hated on because it's unfairly put against T2. The ending is a good one and Judgement Day still happening was a great choice showing that fixed points can't be changed.
I saw T3 in theaters and loved it and you know what? I still do. I understand all the constructive criticism but my love for this movie is above all that, I had a blast watching it back then and everytime I watch it now, I guess you must be a fan of T3 to enjoy at that crazy level of mine.
I remember hearing Cameron talking about "the eventual third film" when he was making T2:3D. I've always wondered what that would have been and I'm absolutely gutted we never got to see it.
Wellll...apparently we now have it and it sounds bad enough that i didn't even bother going to see it. Of course, you're probably talking about a 3rd movie from him if it would've been made back in the day...i am also curious what Cameron's T3 would've been like in the early 2000s. We will never know though.
Great review, I must disagree on Nick Stahl, I really liked his performance. Claire Danes was very good especially since she was cast at the last minute. This film was flawed but I still enjoyed it.
I'm big into retro wrestling and never knew Arnold recommended Chyna to play the villain, although that would have been really interesting I'm glad it didn't happen. I never would have seen her as anything other than Chyna and would have taken me out of the movie completely.
I remember being 7 years old in the cinema and losing my mind over the violence in a 12a film which is why i have fond memories of this film , especially remember my mum complaining about the hand through the stomach scene
My Terminator 3 DVD doesn't collect dust. I'm a huge fan of Terminator, having The Terminator be my second favourite movie. T3 is very good in my opinion, not a good as T2 but still good. Actually it depends on my mood. Good review by the way.
I saw this movie twice with my dad in Argentina in theaters. Despite the story and acting being bad this movie was pure fun action. Not a good movie by any means but a guilty pleasure action flick.
Cameron wasn't going to make any further Terminator movies. And when I watched T3 in the theaters when it came out, I had just watched T1 and T2 to be back up to date on the franchise. I left the theater with so many questions as to why this and how did that come to be, etc , etc, that I realized just how perfectly Cameron wrapped the series up after T2. This is a franchise that now badly needs saved as the result of the Genysis, Salvation, and T3. Cameron has Terminator: Dark Fate coming out this year. Hopefully it gets that done.
although a massive Arnold Fan, I avoided this film for years simply because the female terminator looked so much like a constipated version of an actress that was currently on Eastenders (a long running TV show). She just didn't look right for the role and didn't look a big enough of a challenge for Arnie. However it was a much better film than expected once I finally got around to watching it. Great Review as always!
RIP ANTON YELCHIN(YOUNG KYLE REESE)TODAY 19/06/16 THE DAMNED "CLUB 27" CLAIMED ONE♥MORE MEMBER ,SO EXTREMELY SHOCKING&SAD.... GREAT REVIEW OLIVER!..Also T3 has flaws but it is a bit underrated..The cinematography sucks ruins the blueish robotic feel of the originals.The Original Score is unfitting.Nick Stahl was kinda miscast at the time,Kate Brewster was a bit annoying but it was the writer's fault she is a good actress ...Arnie was a delight he got an amazing physique at 55,even the "unwanted"comedy is still quotable and I disagree that he lacks presence in this,he is ARNIE THE BELOVED ACTION HERO OF OUR CHILDHOOD it is great that this movie exists even if it 's a big budget Fan Service film with great effects,action but also story 7.5/10
I think you were too kind in your overall rating, 7.5/10? Cinematography that sucks, score that was unfitting, and Nick being miscast. Come on dude! lol Way too generous. Don't be afraid to give it a 4/10.
I saw this at the cinema back in the day and never watched it again. It scarred me enough to give both Salvation and Genisys a miss..........I guess I'm the lucky one.
Genysis is cool because they redo scenes from the first movie, although all together it's just too much of a mash up. What it boils down to is that the story is played out. It's time for something brand new and fresh.
It took them a whole year to write this script? It's basically like a kid copying someone else's homework and changing a few words around to make it seem different. The entire plot is almost exactly the same as T2.
Oliver you had me cracking up, this was the first time I heard you be sarcastic over a retrospective. That part where you mention the TX having an orgasm over John's blood was hilarious. I will never forget when this movie came out. I just graduated high school and man 2003 was a disappointing year for movies. Don't forget the Matrix sequels either. I still enjoy T3 despite it being a carbon copy of T2. I am so tired of a good terminator being sent back to kill John and another to protect John, it was so repetitive.
23:36 being the child of a high ranking official does not give you ANY access to a military base. John, Kate, and the T-850 popping into a top-secret area unannounced was a major plot hole.
You know the Timeline continuity actually holds up until this movie, this movie just throws that out the window. The idea that you can alter or 'postpone' events in time kind've contradicts the first movie, where that had to have been the way things always happened, or John Conner wouldn't exist.
I think the writers had John ask the question if he remembered him was for the people that didn't completely understand the timeline stuff. Plus for a cheap reference from T2
I actually don't mind the design of the T-X. It's explained early on in the film that she's not a true infiltration unit but instead designed to track down and destroy reprogrammed cyborgs (I guess the practice has become fairly common in the future).
Weirdly even though the UK and US cuts are the same, in the US this film has the same rating as Terminator 1&2 (R). Usually, certainly at the time, when the studios tone done the violence across a series it's to get a lower rating in the US. It's pretty rare for an action film to get a lower rating in the UK than the US, and it also has about 5 F-bombs when only one was usually permitted at 12 at the time, so I'm not quite sure what happened here. Love your videos BTW, thanks for all the time and effort you put into them.
Why do you think judgment day being inevitable is a good thing? To me it takes away all the agency of the people making their efforts seem pointless. I can see the point of "maybe it IS all pointless" but T1 and to a lesser extent T2 did have the message of "even if you think you're insignificant you can still change things". Also remember "there's no fate but what we make for ourselves"? To me the inevitableness just came across as a way of making more movies.
Not only that, but they'd already established that post-T1, the timeline was now a closed loop: Skynet was created by a man who had access to a CPU created by Skynet (in the future) that found its way into the present (the first terminator). Skynet was now responsible for its own creation, and destroying those pieces in the present ensured that Skynet in this new timeline never existed in the first place. There was no war, no Skynet and never any terminators.
Judgement Day being inevitable i think is an acceptable plot point to continue the series despite it being a cheap way to continue the franchise. Its like an invention, if someone didn't design the car back in 1886 or whatever year someone else would've done later down the line. Its the same with Skynet, it would exist in one form or another. As I mention in my review if you change or delay the creation of skynet, would it exist to be the same thing or take on the same name? In Genisys it becomes an App instead of a military security system.
Oliver Harper I think it's more a cheap justification to continue the series way past the point it should. I don't think 'Skynet' itself is inevitable, though AI technology perhaps is. Their problem is persistently calling it 'Skynet' despite it bearing no relation to the system that was clearly explained in T1+2. T3 and onward try to say that it's inevitable (for no real reason as I mentioned above) and that the natural development of 'Skynet' is its genocide and development of Terminators (as well as the other futuristic tech such as the big tanks & H-Ks. T2 however clearly shows that Skynet's antagonism toward humans is clearly based around self-defence: when the government tries to pull the plug, Skynet analyses the situation and starts a nuclear war, the only way it can be sure to eliminate its enemies here (the government). In T3, Skynet is already antagonistic toward humans...why? Since T2 clearly shows it acted out of self-defence, there's no reason for the new 'Skynet' in T3 to plan its own insurrection and nuclear war. There's no reason for it...but we're continually told that it is 'inevitable'. Making it an app just shamelessly tries to update the franchise's mythology to now. The film was a travesty and has effectively buried this franchise. In a way I'm glad, because the first two films were so good and completed the story so well I can easily ignore all the films afterward. It would be the same if they made Back to the Future sequels today. The trend with big 'franchises' is worrying, though. Alien and Aliens were great, but then Alien3 killed the goodwill of the fans off and finally put it down with Resurrection (which I don't dislike, but it doesn't feel like an Alien film - like T3 doesn't feel like a terminator film). Terminator 3 killed all goodwill towards this series, and even Star Wars very nearly never came back after the prequels. What is it about modern cinema? Why is it so incapable of appreciating what made these films good in the first place?
I don't know why this movie gets such hate, I loved it. The only thing I disliked about it was the slapstick comedy in it the whole way through. It felt a bit cringe at times. But I loved the storyline of it, the hydrogen fuels cells going nuclear, the T-x causing judgement day etc. Very cool movie.
It occurred to me that this is the 10th Schwarzenegger movie Harper has done a "retrospective/review" of so far, and also the most recent. In order of release, Harper has reviewed Conan the Barbarian, The Terminator, Predator, The Running Man, Total Recall, Terminator 2, Last Action Hero, True Lies, Batman & Robin, and Terminator 3. I'd say the biggest omission so far is Commando, so get on it Harper!
"After twelve years they just pump out a movie that's identical with its plot structure and action sequences. It's lazy sequel making at its finest". I agree. Force Awakens
Force awakens had identical story elements but theres just too much new stuff to call it a blatant copy. There were things in the film that were never even explored before in a star wars movie. People are really overreacting when talking about Force Awakens. Just my 2 cents...
yeah but the same happened with Creed, a young boxer wants to prove he can stand with the champ in the ring and he's mentored by an aging former boxer that takes him under his wing & is like a father figure to him. I don't think alot of people ragged on that when it's basically a retread of the first Rocky in some ways. ANH didn't have a lightsaber duel at the end, TFA did, that along with other things is why it's not just a copy of A New Hope. There are definetely nods like the chute scene but not an EXACT retread of the entire film. Just my opinion though.
This was the first Terminator movie I was exposed to on TV. I was born in 98. And I always liked this sequel. Despite its massive flaws and set backs (casting choices, directing, script). The ending always scared me as a kid. Thinking about how our nukes can destroy our planet and we couldn't do anything about it afterwards. Even in 2024, I like this in 3rd place. - T1 & T2 are masterpieces. - T3: silly and enjoyable T4: boring T5: nostalgia baiting dissapointments and the worst? T6: remake of T2 and nostalgia lol
Yeah, I think that's what really boggled the film for the most part. Besides that, it could've been a still somewhat decent follow-up even if it was a retread of T2 in parts.
@@cjewe1z 2nd one is a action sci-fi thriller with conflict between the Good T-800 sent by Adult Johnnor and the evil T-1000 sent by skynet. still the legendary film.
A Vin Diesel terminator would have been pretty cool. He's buff enough to pull it off and it would be kind of a neat generational 1v1 of action movie stars.
It would have been great if Salvation was a prequel. Staring off with the resistance fighting Skynet in the future, then the event of Terminator 2 come into effect at the end and history changes
Hi, Mr. Harper. I thoroughly enjoy your reviews. You really are one of the few critics out there that I trust! Your reviews are always so well-rounded, amazingly executed, and informative. Well done! Would you, by chance, ever be inclined to reviewing Contact (1997), starring Jodie Foster and Matthew McConnaughay? It's one of my all-time favorites, and one of (in my opinion) Robert Zemeckis' best.
It's funny how Cameron didn't want to make 3rd Terminator movie, saying everything was resolved at the end of T2. Yet here he came with Dark Fate. A sequel to T2, and it fucked up the entire franchise in the first few minutes.
And funnily enough, back in the mid to late 90s, when the Terminator franchise was in legal trouble but plans for a third sequel were still underway, Cameron was actually going to write and direct the third Terminiator film, although him directing Titanic, combined with other issues, made him eventually reconsider the deal. I do wonder what his vision for the third film would have been, and how he would attempt to differentiate it from T1 and T2.
I quite liked T3. Its a silly enough action flick thats good fun. Sure it has issues (but you can talk to the hand ;) ). I'd certainly agree the score is a bit flat and the final missile launch track is the best. I do really like the orchestral version of the terminator theme, but as you say, it doesn't quite fit here. The film tries to be serious (like T1) but fails because of the little bits of humour that plagued all the follow ups, but remember the rot started in T2 with 'bad to the bone' and the T800 attempting to smile. I think you have to praise the hard work the behind the scenes team have put into this - stunts and practical effects are excellent, and the CGI is for the most part great. I also really like the extra 'Sergeant John Candy' segment. It really does feel like what its meant to be - a corporate promotional video, with a little bit of humour thats followed by the slice of utter menace -'we can fix it' - exuded by the suits watching the promo. Its an enjoyable Arnie action movie moneymaker, nothing more, nothing less.
As Star Trek Voyager fan (and that of Seven of Nine's character, in particular) I would have really loved Jeri Ryan as the TX. However, Kristanna Loken was a very pleasant surprise and did an amazing job in the role.
There are two films I'd like to really see you review, The odd thing is they both have different names in the UK than they do in the states, The first one is Hostile Hostages (the ref in the U.S.) And the second is midnight sting (can't recall the U.S. Title but I'm sure it's something to do with a town) Thanks Love your work
I enjoyed this film alot. Loved Kristanna Loken as the TX, Claire Danes as Kate Brewster, The opening scenes of the movie, The scenes where T850 finds John Connor, The scene at the graveyard, The main chase sequence, The idea of the TX reprogramming the T850 to kill John, The ending sequence. I agree it's not as good as T2 but I enjoyed it nonetheless and would happily watch it over again.
the sarah connor chronicles is pretty interesting because there is like a neutral terminator infiltrating a company whose motivations were unfortionately never fully resolved
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T3 should have been a prequel that takes place in the final days of the war, ending with John sending Kyle back to 1984, basically bringing the franchise together in a neatly contained trilogy
Sounds like a sweet idea bro..go TH-cam - are you a good person by living waters
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Don't shill for liars Mike.
You should have written the screenplay, I am not sure what t3 is supposed to mean
It makes me sad that there are reviewers on TH-cam that just scream in anger or use the words "like" every two words in and they have a million subs. Then you got Oliver Harper who is thorough, precise, well spoken, and breaks down reviews in organized categories (intro, movie review, score, game/merchandise, connected material, etc) and he has like 40,000 subs. Wth?!
Thanks for your support buddy, generally when people say "like" a lot is usually when they talk unscripted I say it sometimes when doing stuff like a podcast and your brain is ticking over trying to form an opinion but I know what you mean about the screaming angry rants, i think me and my colleagues only had a major outburst when we reviewed RoboCop 2014.
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No problem man I try to send everyone I know to your channel. And angry rants are fine from time to time, it shows that you have a passion for your hobby (Robocop and Batman v Superman made me want to scream as well, LOL) but you don't JUST do that. I hope over time you get WAY more subscribers man because you deserve it.
when are you going to do fright night 85 and it's 88 sequel .Frankie Croft Smales. EIN-TV-40
nothing but pandering
yes yes pandering is good
T2 is pretty much a perfect big budget, action film. I can't even imagine a sequel that could live up to it.
Same here
Road Warrior is pretty amazing too
I honestly think T2 is a bit overrated. Its a great movie and it’s one of my favorites. But there’s so many good movies out there and good sequels that it’s probably impossible to say without a doubt which series or movie is the best.
T3 is a guilty pleasure at the end of the day but for me I’d rather take this film over anything after it any day because it does make the series a watchable and lovely trilogy ❤️
@@ericpowell5818 Even Salvation? I think that's good too.
I don't find myself returning to this bilge. Ditto T2 and its SGI tech demo pretending to be a new terminator. Terminator is a masterpiece that never needed a sequel. If it was to be given one anyway, it really should have been about the future war and mankind's eventual victory over the machines. A third film might then have been plausible. I could envision the two sequels as telling the story of the rise of the machines in the first sequel, ending on a dark and desperate note akin to The Empre Strikes Back, and the second sequel could then have related the events from man's near-extinction to the ultimate victory over SkyNet and the sending of the terminator and Kyle Reese into the past to fulfil the events of the original. All of this was perfectly achievable even so many years after the first film had been made, too, so there was really no excuse for T2 and T3 being what they are, namely bad rehashes of the original film's plot with growing levels of absurdity and basic incompetence in the writing.
@@eliaspeter7689 Salvation is decent, but it's the script that lets it down as everything else--directing, acting, action, effects-- is actually pretty good.
The original was and is still the best.
Ken Ian Park The original Terminator is one of my all time favorite movies haha
It's now 2019 and the terminator series has a very dark fate.
it was fucked with this shit already
Reviews are out and they’re confusing to say the least. They are saying it’s very good. I’m still skeptical though.
Patrick Todd helll no.
Terminator WOKE fate
Terminator never should have been a series. Even T2 fucked a lot of things up relative to what was laid down in the original film.
The fact that this movie was connected to T1. Skynet becoming self aware and that it is a kind of a new intel. That part was great. The circle was complete.
In the defense of Salvation, at least it was not afraid to go into relatively uncharted territory.
Heh, the question I have is how did you like the Future in Genysis?
Before you all start spitting at me. Here me out. I don't think Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is the worst Terminator film. It was good, but it was not as good as Terminator 2: Judgment Day. They should had left it alone at the end of T2. T2 had the perfect ending. I think Terminator Salvation is the worst Terminator film. It was not the same without Arnold and it wasn't fantastic. I think it is a same fans of critics hated Terminator Genisys. Why all the hate? I really enjoyed Terminator Genisys. I thought it was the best Terminator film since Terminator 2: Judgment Day. I thought Emilia Clarke was brilliantly cast as Sarah Connor. But, I did not like Jai Courtney. He was badly cast and his acting was shit. I thought the writing was good. Especially how they explained why Guardians looks older. Terminator 3 and Terminator 5 were the only Terminator movies I saw on the big screen. I did not see Terminator 2 on the big screen because I was too young. I was only 7 at the time. Love or hate it, I love Terminator Genisys and as far as I am concerned - Terminator 2 Judgent and Terminator Genisys are the best.
The worst part of Genesis for me is absolutely ruining Kyle Reese. He was such an amazing character in T1, and they just discarded the character completely. Genesis Sarah was a cheap, "modernized" imitation of T2 Sarah, but Genesis Reese was a dumb jock. Even T3 John resembled Reese better than Genesis Reese
I agree, on both counts.
Sarah was a bit weak in GeneSys, but at least she was SIMILAR. And competent.
T3 is a guilty pleasure for me.
Only good thing I liked about salvation was T 500
I'm from 2019 and wow this don't look so bad anymore...
IT IS A SCI FI MASTERPIECE COMPARED TO DARK FATE
I was fucking fuming after watching the start of that film!!
same
Compared to the mess that came after. But that's not saying much.
After this and on I need a Terminator that is a HARD R rating with literally no humor whatsoever. No overstatingly obvious and cringe inducing politics. Just a fucking balls to the wall action horror movie
"Your confusion is not rational. She is a healthy female of breeding age."
Why is it that I, a young adult who just watched the first two films more times then is probably healthy and read the original scripts (very interesting, we learn the terminator has to eat to keep the skin alive in an unshot scene!) think I could write better Terminator dialogue then any of the three sequels after T2?!
A GriffinTV Funny thing is, you probably could. I think I could, but it involves way too much time travel
Tbh, i'd agree with him. She was hot as hell.
-dads who want their sons to get married already
Every incel's dream come true.
Compared to Genisys Rise of Machines is a masterpiece. I still watch it with pleasure, because it has pretty good handmade action scenes and good tension. Not to mention it has an R-Rating.
Rise of the machines get so much crap which I never realized until I got older and I don’t know why it wasn’t that bad it was entertaining what more could you want from a Terminator movie.
Terminator 3 seemed low-Budget compared to the previous 2 but it still held its own as a solid terminator movie I think most people give it crap because James Cameron wasn’t a part of this movie being made.
@@kaseempayne2212 Ironically Terminator 3 was the most expensive movie ever at the time of it's release.
@@snakeplissken8581 wow did not know that.
It's the tamest R rated Terminator movie in the franchise.
Linda Hamilton's presence is sadly missed in T3. Sarah is arguably the main character in the first two Terminator movies. She is the protagonist in Terminator & the narrator in T2. The films are Sarah's story.
Terminator 3 was the last movie in the series that still made logical sense but was less compelling than the previous two. Time travel in the terminator series is complicated but was explained further in the Sarah Connor Chronicles where every time someone goes back into the past to change things it creates a new timeline or alternate future so the experience of one person is completely different for someone else in the future depending on when they travel back in time. This is demonstrated where John Connor's uncle who came back earlier has a different experience and memory from his girlfriend who later came back. This would explain how Skynet is inevitable where if you stop its existence at one point then its rebirth might occur somewhere else. The machines in the future could sense a disruption in the timeline and send something back to correct it each time to ensure its existence in the future. This was shown in Frank Miller's comic Robocop vs. Terminator. The entire time travel aspect becomes really confusing after awhile if you dwell on it too long. In the original timeline, John Connor is born and helps destroy the machine. The father is not Kyle Reese but someone else. Machines build a time machine and remake the past so that it helps create Skynet and Kyle Reese now becomes the father. This new future sends a terminator back to kill John Connor when he's a teenager which winds up killing Miles Dyson of Cyberdyne and helps mold John Connor into the leader needed to defeat Skynet in the future. That's when things get a little murky but the SCC helps explain this with the idea that Skynet is preparing for war by sending multiple terminators back to gather supplies, help R&D with cpu, assassinate certain individuals or corporate competitors to Cyberdyne, etc. so the future keeps changing and Skynet becomes inevitable. Anyways, I didn't hate this movie as much as some people. I think the third film should have shown John Connor destroying Skynet in the future and end with the machines sending someone back in time and Kyle Reese following him to round out the trilogy.
Yes
Nice review, Oliver, but @8:54 is a minor common misconception. Neither the TX or the T-1000 actually "stole" their victims' outfits. They merely mimicked them. That's why the outfits would heal along with their bodies whenever damaged.
@@dadeleemurphy85 yeah but that's different.
@KC T-1000 was shot in his body in gallria, long before he got burned. th-cam.com/video/heJBfReQF9Q/w-d-xo.html
Dade Lee Murphy guns and explosives have chemicals; moving parts. It doesn’t work that way. But it can form solid metal shapes......
After Dark Fate, I've to admit now that t3 was the closest to Judgement Day quality. Nothing gets closer as much. Seriously and unfairly underrated
Yyyyyyyy...no. “Dark Fate” really hasn’t altered my perception of T3. It just continued that trend where none of sequels are good or meets expectations.
Funny thing is, like the Robocop movies, if you watch these movies backwards then they just get better and better.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 T3 a masterpiece compared to TDF
@@RobertK1993Nah…T3 had the displeasure of being both cringeworthy and boring. Dark Fate on the other hand was just boring to me.
Say what you will about this movie, but that crane-truck sequence is freakin' awesome!
BirdsElopeWithTheSun Got that right, soldier.
I was bummed when I found out people didn't really like this movie as I was pretty happy with it when I saw it back in the day. I really loved how bleak the ending was and Claire Danes is always a win.
I think The Sarah Connor Chronicles did some wonderful twists and turns on the concept. It was intelligent, and had a great cast. Sadly, just when the story arc turned very interesting, it was cancelled. Worth watching.
I struggled a bit with the first season from memory but it did pick up really well towards the end, shame it got cancelled.
Yes, it did take them a bit to find their feet... doing the time jump to bring them up to the present... but the Summer Glau character's background was very cool. The Shirley Manson character was great, too. I could say more, but that would involve spoilers... ^_^
They could/should use some of these plot events, condensed, in the films.
Sarah Connor Chronicles seems to divide the fans, but I agree that it was a great series. Loved Lena Headey - thought she did a kickass Sarah Connor. The episodes with Cromartie were awesome.
I just loved the idea of the series basically giving the finger to T-3. That's when Cameron told Sarah; if they hadn't time jumped, she would've died of cancer.
The writing in the second season was awful though, but I think that was due to the writer's strike. No reason to cancel it, but the first season was the best. The VFX were a bit ropy throughout though as TV effects hadn't quite caught up to movies yet.
If they made it now on Netflix with a large budget and much better CGI I think it would be a mega-hit. It was unfortunately hamstring by the limits of TV production at the time.
I can see being pissed off in 2003. But in 2019 I was surprised how much fun I had watching this movie. The finale helps me overlook any of the repetitive parts early in the film.
I really liked this movie and its awesome ending. Arnold looks great for his age and the actress playing the new terminator did a good job imo. Nick Stahl had an impossible task of playing John Connor and did decent. I thought Katherine was the best human character by far
I'm glad I was only 11 back in 2003, cause I was too young to understand that it wasn't a good movie and weren't disappointed. The only thing I didn't like was the ending, which I now think is the best part of the movie. I still like the humor and the action, but I would probably have give it something like a C+ or a 6/10.
PLEASE do a Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles retrospective! Introspective in nature, thought provoking and surprisingly moving- It's THE sequel to T2 and better than T3, Salvation and Genesys combined. Criminally underrated show!
I probably will Ryan, I've watched the first few episodes and its really good. They capture the future war better than T3,Salvation and Genisys.
In my collection of the Terminator franchise I have The Terminator, Judgement Day and Sarah Connor Chronicles none of the other films.
It's OK. Ultimately, the story never goes anywhere though, because of the cancellation.
No it wasn't.
What part of T2 did you miss? THEY STOPPED JUDGEMENT DAY AT THE END OF T2. Continuing beyond that point is IMPOSSIBLE. There is NOTHING to create Skynet with. Dyson is DEAD, all his notes are DESTROYED, Cyberdyne and all it's servers are DESTROYED, the T-800's CPU from T1 and it's Arm are DESTROYED, both the new T-800 and T-1000 are DESTROYED. There is NOTHING LEFT FOR SKYNET TO BE CREATED WITH. So how in the fuck can you continue? There is nothing left. What part of that did you so called fans miss?
The T-800 made it perfectly clear in T2 that Dyson was the man most responsible and then Dyson in T2 basically told them they were creating the nerual net processor based off the reverse engineering of the CPU from the T-800 that was smashed by Sarah at the Cyberdyne Factory in 1984 (aka the end of T1). It is made point blank clear that the only reason SKYNET exists is because of the time anomaly from the first film and T1 IS THE ORIGINAL TIME before you even start that shit there is NO 1984 WITHOUT REESE AND THE T-800, so don't fucking start. T1 makes that point PERFECTLY CLEAR.
So ANYTHING after T2 JUST DOESN'T FUCKING WORK. END OF DISCUSSION.
The only sequel that could ever be T3 is the story how John reprogramm the Terminator and send T-800 back with Steven Spielberg as Director
Dude, how am I just now discovering your channel? Your videos are a perfect mix of objective criticism and good old fashioned nostalgia with a dash of humor. Subbed for life!
Thank you very much!
Terminator franchise is like when you are fixing something. It's tight enough but then you think you need another couple turns. Then wind up stripping a screw
An accurate description
I really liked Terminator Salvation. The delivered on something that I had only dreamed of since Reese mentioned it in the first movie, and it was an onscreen version of the T-600 which I thought looked awesome
I thought it was fairly decent I don't get why people hate it, it has a lot going on. With a little less CGI and slightly better actors and dialogue it could have been very good.
@@chatteyj Little less CGI? Do you know how many practical effects they used for Salvation? I really like people saying, nah bad CGI for any film they don't like, just because...
PG-13 was part of the hate. Terminators not actually terminating people
I remember watching this in theatres. Wasn't expecting a great film and I was right. It still was entertaining and I liked it.
Must admit, this movie had balls. Not many action films end with humans being close to extinction, at least without directly setting up a sequel where it will all be fixed.
Doesn't make up for the rest of the abysmal movie
I've never seen Oliver get so frustrated during the plot synopsis lol
Love this channel it's honest the best film review channel out on TH-cam
After watching the trailer for Dark Fate, this one is indeed a masterpiece
It does not look good.
Dark Fate did one of the worst sins of all.... the intro to reveal
I'll take Terminator 3 over Genisys & Dark Fate, ANY DAY!!
Terminator 3's a friggin' masterpiece compared to those train wrecks!!
My ranking;
T2
The Terminator
Salvation
T3
Genishyt.
Great review as always, Oliver!
I don`t get why people (like Oliver) hate on salvation. I think it`s a decent movie and I would put it on the same position as you.
It simply didn't need to be made, to an even bigger extent than T3. Like was mentioned in the video, everything is resolved in T2. They went to great lengths to show that the Terminator universe had been locked into a time loop where Skynet inadvertently ensured its own creation. Irrespective of the timeline before, that was the timeline NOW, and Skynet never existed, therefore there was no war. That's why the Arnold terminator says he must be destroyed; in order to preserve this new timeline there must be no way for Skynet to be created - that's why they destroyed everything at Cyberdyne, the pieces from the first terminator and finally the remaining terminator himself.
My ranking is:
Terminator / T2.
Some fan-fic some people made to make money.
Just like the Alien ranking is:
Aliens
Alien
That is all.
My ranking:
The Terminator
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And... that's actually it.
Seen the tv show? Ive only heard of it in this review. Not sure if you were doing just movies haha
Agreed. It took a few viewings for Salvation to grow on me, but it's definitely better than 3 and Genisys. At least it was an attempt at something new! The TV show was also quite good, but petered out in the second season.
I really love the way you do your "Retrospective / Reviews", they were very professionals without the modern tendency of react if something wan't consider right or well done in the movie offering another alternative of what they could do. I don't know if this is the first video you do that, but don't take me wrong, in MY opinion that was what take you a part from the regular You tubers and you don't need to do that. Thanks a lot and keep the great work, i love it.
This is my second least favorite Terminator film. It's such a bland rehash of 2. The only saving grace is the finale scene which I find quite touching and tragic. Genesis is only worse than this because of the way it throws the first two films out of existence in universe. That and the terrible casting. At least Salvation tried to take the series in a new direction. Future war is where the series needed to go. Not constant attempts to rehash the second movie.
Terminator 2 rehash? Their plots are not alike.
The Last 5 minutes of this review are probably among the best of your work Oliver
This didn't feel like a Terminator film. More like a made for TV sequel or Universal Studios ride.
And that's the problem with every one of these sequels to the first two movies. They're vastly inferior to the Cameron Films that proceeded them.
Nice input, stupid fuck.
first I thought you were rude, but then ... :D
I could draw some parallels with Terminator 3 and another film from another film franchise, the unofficial James Bond film "Never Say Never Again". They may have had the characters, the story, and the original Bond playing Bond but, it did not capture anything close to the official series and was a major disappointment upon all levels. It showed that it takes more than just having the name and the actor to make a good Bond film. T3 had the same effect for me too. Both these films might have had the characters and the backstory but they did not have the series' essence in the product.
They should had left it alone at the end of T2.
What always makes great films is the believability of the story. For example, Jurassic Park you could believe could actually exist. Extracting dinosaur DNA from fossilised mosquitos is completely plausible. They even go as far as to explain that not all the DNA would be preserved over time and any missing gene sequences would be filled with the closest relative, frogs. The idea of one day an artificial AI taking over the world isn't that far off from what actually could happen. The attention to detail the stories have, respects the audience's intelligence and they appreciate it and so believe the fiction.
Everybody calls Terminator 3 a carbon copy of T2 yet they seem to forget or simply don't want to acknowledge that T2 is basically a retread of the original anyway.
It takes some of the same beats but TWISTS them. Again, a protector is sent, who says "come with me if you wanna live", but this time it is THE TERMINATOR. In T3, it uses the same beats and the same lines, but nothing new is added.
I looked at T3 as copying elements of T1 (T-X operating more like the original T800 than the T1000, recreating the Kyle/Sarah dynamic with John/Kate) and even the original Planet of the Apes (reaching a misleading destination), instead of a cynical copy of T2
No not really. There's a difference between doing a few of the same beats but with a twist to actually doing a shot for shot copy but with humour.
That video you added at the end of your review (which was right .... but a LITTLE harsh) was awesome man.
I agree with your review of this movie 100%, your ending with Peter Griffin standing up and saying "I'm Done" sums up my feelings about this movie completely.
I wish Salvation had gotten the trilogy. Would’ve been cooler than rehashing T2 over and over.
3 main issues I've had with this movie. 1. Way too much badly written 'humour'. 2. TX was a terrible idea and awfully executed. 3. There is NOTHING new here. The best idea I've ever heard come up with for a sequel was to have Arnold as a human being who is fighting with the humans before the resistance is formed. It would have been poetic that Skynet used the face of it's enemy to kill their enemy. It's kind of what they did in Ter-Sal, but it wouldn't have been expected. The movie would have been about Arnold's character going from a forefather of the resistance to what he becomes in the first movie bringing him full circle.
For some reason, I got this on DVD when it came out. Sat on it for awhile. Then one day, out of boredom, I put it on. I was really surprised how much I ended up liking it. It wasn't the train wreck I thought it was going to be. And the ending really threw me off. It was an enjoyable film, but not great like T1 and T2. And looking back at it years later, It was kinda unnecessary. Still not bad though.
100% agreed with everything you said in this retrospective. Aside from all the obvious stuff, I'm glad you caught on to the occasionally very cheap production design that looked like it came out of a TV show. Especially in the third act. The magnetic accelerator control room has some of the most 90s TV sci-fi set nonsense I've ever seen, complete with hilariously oversized labels on buttons/levers.
This actually got an R rating in the US. My brother and I got kicked out for trying to buy tickets to 2 Fast 2 Furious and attempting to sneak in. Wasn't worthy of a R rating at all.
A fantastic review - thanks. :)
The last good Terminator movie in my opinion. Part 4 & 5 are forgettable.
Arrows Yep, 2, 1 and 3. In that order too.
Nonsense. Salvation was far superior.
I liked The Terminator Tv-series a lot. Especially season 2.
Me to,, scc rocked, fuck fox for taking it down
Me too. But Garbage lead singer t-1000 lol. Kinda odd.
The music cue that starts around 31:35 is so on point. lmao
"There was no planned James Cameron sequel. But the series would not be stopped. The sequel was released in July 2nd 2003. Just as they said it would. Terminator 3. The day the series was destroyed by the people who profited off it. We should've realized that the series ended at the end of the second one. The James Cameron knew. He tried to tell us. but we didn't want to hear it. Maybe the series will be saved. I don't know. All I know is what The Oliver Harper taught me. "Stick to Terminator 1 & 2" and I always will....The battle has just begun...."
T3 was always a great third entry. It was good plot twist about Judgement Day being only postponed and not stopped. The idea of a more advanced Terminator that can hack and control other Terminators was neat and turning T800 evil briefly was shocking.
I never got the hate for Rise of the Machines. T3 was peak Terminator and it's was only hated on because it's unfairly put against T2.
The ending is a good one and Judgement Day still happening was a great choice showing that fixed points can't be changed.
I saw T3 in theaters and loved it and you know what? I still do.
I understand all the constructive criticism but my love for this movie is above all that, I had a blast watching it back then and everytime I watch it now, I guess you must be a fan of T3 to enjoy at that crazy level of mine.
I remember hearing Cameron talking about "the eventual third film" when he was making T2:3D. I've always wondered what that would have been and I'm absolutely gutted we never got to see it.
Wellll...apparently we now have it and it sounds bad enough that i didn't even bother going to see it. Of course, you're probably talking about a 3rd movie from him if it would've been made back in the day...i am also curious what Cameron's T3 would've been like in the early 2000s. We will never know though.
Great review, I must disagree on Nick Stahl, I really liked his performance. Claire Danes was very good especially since she was cast at the last minute. This film was flawed but I still enjoyed it.
I'm big into retro wrestling and never knew Arnold recommended Chyna to play the villain, although that would have been really interesting I'm glad it didn't happen. I never would have seen her as anything other than Chyna and would have taken me out of the movie completely.
I actually really liked this movie. Had Furlong been in it, it would have been perfect.
Yeah a fat drugged out has been sure would have made this bad movie perfect.
Your frustration during the plot summary at the begining makes this one of your best retrospectives.
I remember being 7 years old in the cinema and losing my mind over the violence in a 12a film which is why i have fond memories of this film , especially remember my mum complaining about the hand through the stomach scene
My Terminator 3 DVD doesn't collect dust. I'm a huge fan of Terminator, having The Terminator be my second favourite movie. T3 is very good in my opinion, not a good as T2 but still good. Actually it depends on my mood. Good review by the way.
I saw this movie twice with my dad in Argentina in theaters. Despite the story and acting being bad this movie was pure fun action. Not a good movie by any means but a guilty pleasure action flick.
Cameron wasn't going to make any further Terminator movies. And when I watched T3 in the theaters when it came out, I had just watched T1 and T2 to be back up to date on the franchise. I left the theater with so many questions as to why this and how did that come to be, etc , etc, that I realized just how perfectly Cameron wrapped the series up after T2. This is a franchise that now badly needs saved as the result of the Genysis, Salvation, and T3. Cameron has Terminator: Dark Fate coming out this year. Hopefully it gets that done.
It took a YEAR to write this script?!... THIS script?!
Loool right
Nope... took a year to fix the screenplay. Wonder how bad it was before.
I never HATED this one. Cheesy, and a bit too stripped back. But at least the END was strong.
Might of as well wrote anything, it was like robocop 3
I know right 😂😂 my 6 year old daughter could write better in a day 😂
although a massive Arnold Fan, I avoided this film for years simply because the female terminator looked so much like a constipated version of an actress that was currently on Eastenders (a long running TV show). She just didn't look right for the role and didn't look a big enough of a challenge for Arnie. However it was a much better film than expected once I finally got around to watching it. Great Review as always!
RIP ANTON YELCHIN(YOUNG KYLE REESE)TODAY 19/06/16 THE DAMNED "CLUB 27" CLAIMED ONE♥MORE MEMBER ,SO EXTREMELY SHOCKING&SAD....
GREAT REVIEW OLIVER!..Also T3 has flaws but it is a bit underrated..The cinematography sucks ruins the blueish robotic feel of the originals.The Original Score is unfitting.Nick Stahl was kinda miscast at the time,Kate Brewster was a bit annoying but it was the writer's fault she is a good actress ...Arnie was a delight he got an amazing physique at 55,even the "unwanted"comedy is still quotable and I disagree that he lacks presence in this,he is ARNIE THE BELOVED ACTION HERO OF OUR CHILDHOOD it is great that this movie exists even if it 's a big budget Fan Service film with great effects,action but also story 7.5/10
I think you were too kind in your overall rating, 7.5/10? Cinematography that sucks, score that was unfitting, and Nick being miscast. Come on dude! lol Way too generous. Don't be afraid to give it a 4/10.
Yeah, really sad about Anton
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@@OliverHarper Looks like a masterpiece today compared to Genesys&Dark Fate Ollie...especially the G R E A T Ending. You should update this review.
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I saw this at the cinema back in the day and never watched it again.
It scarred me enough to give both Salvation and Genisys a miss..........I guess I'm the lucky one.
Same here the Terminator series died that day. Only a critically acclaimed reboot would get me to watch another one.
i regret watching Genisys at the cinema smh.
Genysis is cool because they redo scenes from the first movie, although all together it's just too much of a mash up. What it boils down to is that the story is played out. It's time for something brand new and fresh.
i like genisys
Salvation isn't perfect but it's decent and well made. Genisys is good for the first 30 minutes, then it becomes dogshit.
It took them a whole year to write this script? It's basically like a kid copying someone else's homework and changing a few words around to make it seem different. The entire plot is almost exactly the same as T2.
Oliver you had me cracking up, this was the first time I heard you be sarcastic over a retrospective. That part where you mention the TX having an orgasm over John's blood was hilarious. I will never forget when this movie came out. I just graduated high school and man 2003 was a disappointing year for movies. Don't forget the Matrix sequels either. I still enjoy T3 despite it being a carbon copy of T2. I am so tired of a good terminator being sent back to kill John and another to protect John, it was so repetitive.
I think Kate was supposed to be one of the girls in T2 who tells T1000 that John is at the Galleria
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Bruh, A Ridley Scott Terminator would've been omega level. Damn.
no shit, imagine the dark horse comics that they would spin off
The last couple of Alien movies were awful though.
yea like alien covenant
@@westernman7032 Prometheus wasn't an Alien movie though. It was just set in the same universe.
@@Syklonus It still sucked.
23:36 being the child of a high ranking official does not give you ANY access to a military base. John, Kate, and the T-850 popping into a top-secret area unannounced was a major plot hole.
kristanna loken did a terrific job!
I met Kristanna Loken in 2011.
If you are hotter then the sun I guess you could get away easy with a role like this.
@@maloperverso8118 that escalated quickly
@@swumimobile5843 She's a great actress it's not just her looks.
You know the Timeline continuity actually holds up until this movie, this movie just throws that out the window. The idea that you can alter or 'postpone' events in time kind've contradicts the first movie, where that had to have been the way things always happened, or John Conner wouldn't exist.
"Which is total bollocks you can't do that." LOL
I think the writers had John ask the question if he remembered him was for the people that didn't completely understand the timeline stuff. Plus for a cheap reference from T2
I actually don't mind the design of the T-X. It's explained early on in the film that she's not a true infiltration unit but instead designed to track down and destroy reprogrammed cyborgs (I guess the practice has become fairly common in the future).
Weirdly even though the UK and US cuts are the same, in the US this film has the same rating as Terminator 1&2 (R). Usually, certainly at the time, when the studios tone done the violence across a series it's to get a lower rating in the US.
It's pretty rare for an action film to get a lower rating in the UK than the US, and it also has about 5 F-bombs when only one was usually permitted at 12 at the time, so I'm not quite sure what happened here.
Love your videos BTW, thanks for all the time and effort you put into them.
This isn't anywhere near as bad as some people make it out to be.
Oliver's frustrations are my feelings exactly when watching this movie. Hopefully you get around to do a retrospective on Genisys in the near future.
This one had the best ending of the entire series
Still gets to me #imallverklempt
I think T3's ending made more sense than T2's ending in terms of trying to stop Judgement Day even though the latter was the better movie overall.
@@saxopio6280 Yes.
Nah the original ending that was cut from T1 is the best ending. It doesn't set up for any sequels and leaves the story in a constant loop paradox
@@tomg3131 but it was cut so it's not cannon
Very good analysis. Thanks for the spanish subtitles. Greetings from Argentina
Why do you think judgment day being inevitable is a good thing? To me it takes away all the agency of the people making their efforts seem pointless. I can see the point of "maybe it IS all pointless" but T1 and to a lesser extent T2 did have the message of "even if you think you're insignificant you can still change things". Also remember "there's no fate but what we make for ourselves"? To me the inevitableness just came across as a way of making more movies.
Not only that, but they'd already established that post-T1, the timeline was now a closed loop: Skynet was created by a man who had access to a CPU created by Skynet (in the future) that found its way into the present (the first terminator). Skynet was now responsible for its own creation, and destroying those pieces in the present ensured that Skynet in this new timeline never existed in the first place. There was no war, no Skynet and never any terminators.
Judgement Day being inevitable i think is an acceptable plot point to continue the series despite it being a cheap way to continue the franchise. Its like an invention, if someone didn't design the car back in 1886 or whatever year someone else would've done later down the line. Its the same with Skynet, it would exist in one form or another. As I mention in my review if you change or delay the creation of skynet, would it exist to be the same thing or take on the same name? In Genisys it becomes an App instead of a military security system.
Oliver Harper I think it's more a cheap justification to continue the series way past the point it should. I don't think 'Skynet' itself is inevitable, though AI technology perhaps is. Their problem is persistently calling it 'Skynet' despite it bearing no relation to the system that was clearly explained in T1+2.
T3 and onward try to say that it's inevitable (for no real reason as I mentioned above) and that the natural development of 'Skynet' is its genocide and development of Terminators (as well as the other futuristic tech such as the big tanks & H-Ks. T2 however clearly shows that Skynet's antagonism toward humans is clearly based around self-defence: when the government tries to pull the plug, Skynet analyses the situation and starts a nuclear war, the only way it can be sure to eliminate its enemies here (the government). In T3, Skynet is already antagonistic toward humans...why? Since T2 clearly shows it acted out of self-defence, there's no reason for the new 'Skynet' in T3 to plan its own insurrection and nuclear war. There's no reason for it...but we're continually told that it is 'inevitable'.
Making it an app just shamelessly tries to update the franchise's mythology to now. The film was a travesty and has effectively buried this franchise. In a way I'm glad, because the first two films were so good and completed the story so well I can easily ignore all the films afterward. It would be the same if they made Back to the Future sequels today.
The trend with big 'franchises' is worrying, though. Alien and Aliens were great, but then Alien3 killed the goodwill of the fans off and finally put it down with Resurrection (which I don't dislike, but it doesn't feel like an Alien film - like T3 doesn't feel like a terminator film). Terminator 3 killed all goodwill towards this series, and even Star Wars very nearly never came back after the prequels.
What is it about modern cinema? Why is it so incapable of appreciating what made these films good in the first place?
I don't know why this movie gets such hate, I loved it. The only thing I disliked about it was the slapstick comedy in it the whole way through. It felt a bit cringe at times. But I loved the storyline of it, the hydrogen fuels cells going nuclear, the T-x causing judgement day etc. Very cool movie.
"which is total bollocks, you can´t do that" hahahahahaha
It occurred to me that this is the 10th Schwarzenegger movie Harper has done a "retrospective/review" of so far, and also the most recent. In order of release, Harper has reviewed Conan the Barbarian, The Terminator, Predator, The Running Man, Total Recall, Terminator 2, Last Action Hero, True Lies, Batman & Robin, and Terminator 3. I'd say the biggest omission so far is Commando, so get on it Harper!
"After twelve years they just pump out a movie that's identical with its plot structure and action sequences. It's lazy sequel making at its finest". I agree. Force Awakens
Force awakens had identical story elements but theres just too much new stuff to call it a blatant copy. There were things in the film that were never even explored before in a star wars movie. People are really overreacting when talking about Force Awakens. Just my 2 cents...
I know what you mean, but Rey whom lives on a desert planet, it was meant to mirror Anakin and Luke and the beginnings of their journeys.
yeah but the same happened with Creed, a young boxer wants to prove he can stand with the champ in the ring and he's mentored by an aging former boxer that takes him under his wing & is like a father figure to him. I don't think alot of people ragged on that when it's basically a retread of the first Rocky in some ways. ANH didn't have a lightsaber duel at the end, TFA did, that along with other things is why it's not just a copy of A New Hope. There are definetely nods like the chute scene but not an EXACT retread of the entire film. Just my opinion though.
Force Awakens represents everything wrong with modern movies. A stupid movie for the stupid masses.
This was the first Terminator movie I was exposed to on TV. I was born in 98. And I always liked this sequel. Despite its massive flaws and set backs (casting choices, directing, script).
The ending always scared me as a kid. Thinking about how our nukes can destroy our planet and we couldn't do anything about it afterwards. Even in 2024, I like this in 3rd place.
- T1 & T2 are masterpieces.
- T3: silly and enjoyable
T4: boring
T5: nostalgia baiting dissapointments and the worst?
T6: remake of T2 and nostalgia lol
too much comedy in the movie
Yeah, I think that's what really boggled the film for the most part. Besides that, it could've been a still somewhat decent follow-up even if it was a retread of T2 in parts.
Yes. The original was a sort of horror film.
@@cjewe1z 2nd one is a action sci-fi thriller with conflict between the Good T-800 sent by Adult Johnnor and the evil T-1000 sent by skynet. still the legendary film.
@@christopherwashington2417, it slows down too much in parts. The Terminator had relentless action, just like the Terminator character.
"Comedy"
A Vin Diesel terminator would have been pretty cool. He's buff enough to pull it off and it would be kind of a neat generational 1v1 of action movie stars.
10:15 when I was a kid I thought the tx made a gasp of surprise at the fact that it was John's blood. That is kinda funny though 😆
well... thats what she did
Oliver, you are an absolute beast. I love your reviews so much. Thank you!!!! :)
It would have been great if Salvation was a prequel. Staring off with the resistance fighting Skynet in the future, then the event of Terminator 2 come into effect at the end and history changes
Hi, Mr. Harper. I thoroughly enjoy your reviews. You really are one of the few critics out there that I trust! Your reviews are always so well-rounded, amazingly executed, and informative. Well done!
Would you, by chance, ever be inclined to reviewing Contact (1997), starring Jodie Foster and Matthew McConnaughay? It's one of my all-time favorites, and one of (in my opinion) Robert Zemeckis' best.
Contact will definitely happen! Amazing film. Thanks for your feedback.
Thank you so much, Mr. Harper! Very much appreciated, and I cannot WAIT to see your excellent review!
By the way, Oliver. I've met Kristanna Loken. I've got her autograph on my FB account.
It's funny how Cameron didn't want to make 3rd Terminator movie, saying everything was resolved at the end of T2. Yet here he came with Dark Fate. A sequel to T2, and it fucked up the entire franchise in the first few minutes.
And funnily enough, back in the mid to late 90s, when the Terminator franchise was in legal trouble but plans for a third sequel were still underway, Cameron was actually going to write and direct the third Terminiator film, although him directing Titanic, combined with other issues, made him eventually reconsider the deal. I do wonder what his vision for the third film would have been, and how he would attempt to differentiate it from T1 and T2.
I quite liked T3. Its a silly enough action flick thats good fun. Sure it has issues (but you can talk to the hand ;) ). I'd certainly agree the score is a bit flat and the final missile launch track is the best. I do really like the orchestral version of the terminator theme, but as you say, it doesn't quite fit here.
The film tries to be serious (like T1) but fails because of the little bits of humour that plagued all the follow ups, but remember the rot started in T2 with 'bad to the bone' and the T800 attempting to smile.
I think you have to praise the hard work the behind the scenes team have put into this - stunts and practical effects are excellent, and the CGI is for the most part great.
I also really like the extra 'Sergeant John Candy' segment. It really does feel like what its meant to be - a corporate promotional video, with a little bit of humour thats followed by the slice of utter menace -'we can fix it' - exuded by the suits watching the promo.
Its an enjoyable Arnie action movie moneymaker, nothing more, nothing less.
As Star Trek Voyager fan (and that of Seven of Nine's character, in particular) I would have really loved Jeri Ryan as the TX. However, Kristanna Loken was a very pleasant surprise and did an amazing job in the role.
I like this more now than I did back then.
There are two films I'd like to really see you review,
The odd thing is they both have different names in the UK than they do in the states,
The first one is Hostile Hostages (the ref in the U.S.)
And the second is midnight sting (can't recall the U.S. Title but I'm sure it's something to do with a town)
Thanks
Love your work
Carrie Anne Moss would have been a badass terminator.
You were a little more than disappointed with this one Oliver.
Of course its T3! It makes most people frustrated.
She would have at least added some personality to her Terminator like Robert Patrick did for the T100.
John Curcio
"Dodge this!"
I enjoyed this film alot. Loved Kristanna Loken as the TX, Claire Danes as Kate Brewster, The opening scenes of the movie, The scenes where T850 finds John Connor, The scene at the graveyard, The main chase sequence, The idea of the TX reprogramming the T850 to kill John, The ending sequence. I agree it's not as good as T2 but I enjoyed it nonetheless and would happily watch it over again.
the sarah connor chronicles is pretty interesting because there is like a neutral terminator infiltrating a company whose motivations were unfortionately never fully resolved
Genuinely baffled that this film only received a 12 in the UK when this film was rated R in the US by the MPAA.