Agreed. I played a competition this week using a Target world champions board with round wire and staples. There were at least 6 bounceouts and it was the same the week prior. A bounceout from a wire or rejection from the sisal on a blade board is so infrequent by comparison that I just don't think there is an issue
@@sag2974 I think it is more the roundness of the wires causing bounce outs than the staples. Maybe also the metal used because damn my wires are peppered with point marks. Looks like someone's been firing a mini machine gun at my board!
There is no way a Dart Fan dont like Mr.Mardle.Your'e a great Sportsman and Entertainer....and your analyses are allways pointed,with the Mardle Touch. My Respect Sir 👍
Good call. What is needed is a surface wire that has individual "pins" that are part of the wire and push thru the sisal into the chipboard beneath. No compacting, fewer bounce outs, no staples and a thinner wire. The only issue here is the wire will bend, and being thinner, may stay bent. Not sure what the wire is made from, but a higher tensile steel would work and shouldn't add to much to the cost.
This was actually very interesting to me. The sisal being compact outside of the bull is not really a problem. So maybe boards can be made with a bull insert. It’s made with a hole there. Then they squeeze in a separate bull bit. That seems my easiest solution.
Actually, I would love that Target 1/2 board. Not kidding. Both halves would be a perfect wall addition to my Darts Room set-up. You need to sign them though and throw in a Shirt Too. You are my favorite player because of your attitude and personality, you are one of a kind, quite opposite of most others.
Good review and hopefully a good push for the manufacturers to innovate a new concept. Is your next review on aggressive points and the actual need for them? They may assist the retention in the board.. but at what cost?? And is it not unfair, for the other players, that the board gets chewed up? 🙈🙈
I'll check those individual reviews too, but what i miss is any kind of measurements and statistics. It kinda is pointless without those in my opinion. But at least you make a point and give a suggestion. Now i doubt that any kind of staples will ever be added to a high end dartboard, but still u at least had a go at thinking about it. I don't think we have "major" issues with modern boards. The compactness of the sisal round the bull is really only present for a short time when the board is brand new. And the Blade5 Dual Core actually has a very soft outer layer of sisal. That looks to me as the best solution, but to be honest i didn't find it to be that much durable or better, not really better than a standard Blade5 by a significant margin, but quite more expensive. I think the best dartboard ever is the Winmau Blade4, we have one in our clubhouse-getaway place. It's a bit worn, but still going strong after 3years. Incredible, blade5 and any of these might have thinner wires but are engineered not to last that long i think too.
Hi Wayne. Great video and always been a big fan of yours. If you still have it, please can I have that half of the dartboard? Might make for an interesting topic at our local college. Thank you
i have no problem with the winmau boards. plus i use smooth gold points which seem too grip without tearing the board up. it’s not just the board but it’s the points you use.
I personaly dont see a problem with firm sisal on the bull, but i guess an easy way to remedy it would be for the manufacturers to thin the sisal at the bull area before installing the spider. Or they could make a low density bull sized biscuit that goes in the bull area.
i have more bounce outs with staple boards than spider wire. also I cant possibly see how the wire is compressing it at all. It also is nice to not have the darts going under wires anymore
The biscuits are rock hard near the bull, but the Blade 4, which was also embedded deep in the sisal, never had this issue. My old Blade 4 is 7 years old and still is in perfectly usable shape. The Blade 5 I have has none of the issues I've had with the Unicorn HD, HD2 and Target boards I've used over the last few years. My Unicorn HD lasted 3 months before it was unusable, the HD2 Pro lasted nearly a year before it was done and the Target board was rubbish from day 1. Why do I have issues with those 3 boards, but not the same with the Blade boards, which also have an embedded spider?
Could the manufacturers build the boards so there is less sisal density towards the middle of the board so when the spider wire is added, we get similar compaction all across the board?
Cheers Wayne. Would you pretty please do a video on how to stand when throwing your darts. Me and my pal have been argueing and I'm pretty sure neither of us are right. When I throw I'm leaning forward and alot of the time my backfoot is coming up off the ground. Should I have my entire base of both feet grounded? Should both feet be facing sideways? Thanks and if you can't respond cheers for your content anyway I'm enjoying it.
It’s preference. Price’s back foot comes up and he’s awesome. Anderson faces forward and he’s awesome. RVB stands solid side footed, he’s awesome. It’s important to find a way you would happily stand for hours or a match
I sway a little, but I have an inner ear problem so my balance is fucked. I now need to use a much flatter side-on stance to stabilise myself. I started throwing into the five a lot at first but have now adapted to only hit the five mostly hahaha.
Take your time, plant your front foot and move the back foot to a place of comfort and stability. Keep your head still. Push the dart rather than throw it. Even the champs sometimes lift the back foot.
WayneMardle: I think you are wrong about the wire spider affecting the compaction of the sisal. Applying the spider is the last step of finishing a board so it can't possibly affect the way the sisal donuts are compressed. The best solution is to find a synthetic material that would be of uniform density across the entire face of the board, completely self-healing from dart punctures, and have a usable lifespan that would make it affordable.
Interesting thoughts, not sure I want to go back to stapled boards though.
Agreed. I played a competition this week using a Target world champions board with round wire and staples. There were at least 6 bounceouts and it was the same the week prior. A bounceout from a wire or rejection from the sisal on a blade board is so infrequent by comparison that I just don't think there is an issue
I think he give few crap results
I couldn't agree more Darren. Definitely don't want ugly staples creating bounce outs again...
@@sag2974 :)
@@sag2974 I think it is more the roundness of the wires causing bounce outs than the staples. Maybe also the metal used because damn my wires are peppered with point marks. Looks like someone's been firing a mini machine gun at my board!
Thank you for taking the time to test all the many boards that you did! Much appreciated
There is no way a Dart Fan dont like Mr.Mardle.Your'e a great Sportsman and Entertainer....and your analyses are allways pointed,with the Mardle Touch.
My Respect Sir 👍
Cool to see you post a video again Wayne
Good call.
What is needed is a surface wire that has individual "pins" that are part of the wire and push thru the sisal into the chipboard beneath.
No compacting, fewer bounce outs, no staples and a thinner wire. The only issue here is the wire will bend, and being thinner, may stay bent.
Not sure what the wire is made from, but a higher tensile steel would work and shouldn't add to much to the cost.
This was actually very interesting to me.
The sisal being compact outside of the bull is not really a problem. So maybe boards can be made with a bull insert. It’s made with a hole there. Then they squeeze in a separate bull bit. That seems my easiest solution.
Glad to see someone so invested👍
Another I'd recommend for you to try would be the Robson Razor dartboard, but you'll have to import it from the Philippines.
And *THEE* 😂 can’t wait for more content Wayne.
Love the samurai board..beautiful
Actually, I would love that Target 1/2 board. Not kidding. Both halves would be a perfect wall addition to my Darts Room set-up. You need to sign them though and throw in a Shirt Too. You are my favorite player because of your attitude and personality, you are one of a kind, quite opposite of most others.
Good review and hopefully a good push for the manufacturers to innovate a new concept.
Is your next review on aggressive points and the actual need for them? They may assist the retention in the board.. but at what cost?? And is it not unfair, for the other players, that the board gets chewed up? 🙈🙈
Interesting point of view but yes there is always room for improvement, curious to see what they come out with next
Great video Wayne 😂
I'll check those individual reviews too, but what i miss is any kind of measurements and statistics. It kinda is pointless without those in my opinion. But at least you make a point and give a suggestion. Now i doubt that any kind of staples will ever be added to a high end dartboard, but still u at least had a go at thinking about it. I don't think we have "major" issues with modern boards. The compactness of the sisal round the bull is really only present for a short time when the board is brand new. And the Blade5 Dual Core actually has a very soft outer layer of sisal. That looks to me as the best solution, but to be honest i didn't find it to be that much durable or better, not really better than a standard Blade5 by a significant margin, but quite more expensive. I think the best dartboard ever is the Winmau Blade4, we have one in our clubhouse-getaway place. It's a bit worn, but still going strong after 3years. Incredible, blade5 and any of these might have thinner wires but are engineered not to last that long i think too.
Hi Wayne. Great video and always been a big fan of yours. If you still have it, please can I have that half of the dartboard? Might make for an interesting topic at our local college. Thank you
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i have no problem with the winmau boards.
plus i use smooth gold points which seem too grip without tearing the board up.
it’s not just the board but it’s the points you use.
I personaly dont see a problem with firm sisal on the bull, but i guess an easy way to remedy it would be for the manufacturers to thin the sisal at the bull area before installing the spider. Or they could make a low density bull sized biscuit that goes in the bull area.
i have more bounce outs with staple boards than spider wire. also I cant possibly see how the wire is compressing it at all. It also is nice to not have the darts going under wires anymore
The biscuits are rock hard near the bull, but the Blade 4, which was also embedded deep in the sisal, never had this issue. My old Blade 4 is 7 years old and still is in perfectly usable shape. The Blade 5 I have has none of the issues I've had with the Unicorn HD, HD2 and Target boards I've used over the last few years. My Unicorn HD lasted 3 months before it was unusable, the HD2 Pro lasted nearly a year before it was done and the Target board was rubbish from day 1. Why do I have issues with those 3 boards, but not the same with the Blade boards, which also have an embedded spider?
Could the manufacturers build the boards so there is less sisal density towards the middle of the board so when the spider wire is added, we get similar compaction all across the board?
Wayne Mardle the lemon squeezer of Darts. What a gent
Which was your favourite board overall?
Cheers Wayne. Would you pretty please do a video on how to stand when throwing your darts. Me and my pal have been argueing and I'm pretty sure neither of us are right. When I throw I'm leaning forward and alot of the time my backfoot is coming up off the ground. Should I have my entire base of both feet grounded? Should both feet be facing sideways? Thanks and if you can't respond cheers for your content anyway I'm enjoying it.
It’s preference. Price’s back foot comes up and he’s awesome. Anderson faces forward and he’s awesome. RVB stands solid side footed, he’s awesome. It’s important to find a way you would happily stand for hours or a match
@@misterEstrange I can't seem to stay balanced without swaying alot so I think I might just be fundamenetally chosing a posture where I cannot improve
I sway a little, but I have an inner ear problem so my balance is fucked. I now need to use a much flatter side-on stance to stabilise myself. I started throwing into the five a lot at first but have now adapted to only hit the five mostly hahaha.
daniel charlton Search Darts Coaching with Dynamite Dave Llewelyn. He has a lot of videos on this subject. Can’t recommend him enough!!
Take your time, plant your front foot and move the back foot to a place of comfort and stability.
Keep your head still.
Push the dart rather than throw it.
Even the champs sometimes lift the back foot.
You should pull all the razor wire out of a board and test your theory. See if the sisal cakes loosen up once all the wire is gone.
Would have liked to see the dual core cut in half to see it... but I wouldn't cut one in half!
Some one should make hybride bored off all the best features of them bored
What do you can say about harrows pro matchplay?
Interesting view
👍🏻
what if the board was a few mm thicker and then the spider a bit thinner as well depth wise
under no circumstances can staples return
yyes yyou are right, the sisal life is less longer than old roundd wire board!!!!! I will make my own prototipe guys !!!!!!!
Love ya Wayne Mardle!!!!!
WayneMardle: I think you are wrong about the wire spider affecting the compaction of the sisal. Applying the spider is the last step of finishing a board so it can't possibly affect the way the sisal donuts are compressed. The best solution is to find a synthetic material that would be of uniform density across the entire face of the board, completely self-healing from dart punctures, and have a usable lifespan that would make it affordable.
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Blade 4 is good I get no bounce outs
the wiring is tickin me off to no end
Ha. I know. It was a rush job. I’ll fix it properly very soon.
@@Waynehawaii501 great video though
Is there a "and" count 😂
Get a blade 5
Why cant they use carbon fibre instead of metal? Stronger and wont need to go as deep.
They tried to make to board look better, that's why they are all doing this
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you email through the website, I have just done it.