The Lorulean Tragedy & Restoration EXPLAINED - ft. HMK (Zelda Theory)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2020
- A Link Between Worlds is one of my favorite games within the series. Today HMK and I delve into the story to find out why.
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Awesome To Work With You on this one buddy!
Hi hmk
I love this vid too
Great work on the vid.
Now all we need to know is if there is a "Midrule" with a whole different Triforce. Then we'll be set.
intresting...
If you watch Jirard the Completionist, you know the true third level is Jarule
But would Midrule have a triforce though? I mean Lorule's triforce is flipped suggesting that it's a reflection of Hyrule's or vice versa. If this were the case then Midrule probably wouldn't have a triforce... Or this was meant as a joke and I'm over thinking things.
@@seasalt7355 the triforce would just be 3 triangles in a line
I read it like "lurelian"
I'd love nothing more than to play a spin-off series called "The Fable of Hilda."
Playing as Ravio would be sick
@@zeldaenby224 your name tho...
Agreed. As much as I like Link and Zelda, I love Ravio and Hilda even more.
FoH Majoras pants
@@NCcatlady FoH Daybreak Princess
I like to think that lorule has different virtues represented in the triforce. Link, Zelda, and ganondorf each displayed their propensities for their triforce piece prior to receiving them, so I think ravio, Hilda, and yuga should show their virtues as well. While ravio did not show courage, he did have the ability to enter dungeons and find the items within to sell. Hilda didn’t have the wisdom to see yuga’s true intentions, but she did play a vital role in coming up with the plans for obtaining a new triforce. Yuga had power, but didn’t really have the drive to use it until learning of the new triforce. I like to think the virtues of the lorule triforce are something to the tune of stealth, knowledge, and strength. Similar, but not quite the same.
Cunning would fit better then stealth in that
I'm of a similar mindset. While I don't think the Triforce would be about Cowardice, Foolishness and Weakness just because those traits were apparent in the characters of Lorule, I think it was probably other virtues and the characters could've been lacking those virtues due to the destruction of their Triforce.
@@wtcvidman
Yeah, although it was quite astute of fans to point out that the three characters arguably have those traits, it doesn't make any sense that an all-powerful relic would SEEK OUT people with those traits. And what kind of person values ignorance? (Aside from a certain American political party LAWL POLITICS JOKE)
The thing about any language is that there is a way to phrase most personal qualities as either a virtue or a flaw. For instance, “stubbornness” can be framed as “persistence.”
Likewise, the inverse virtues of Wisdom, Courage, and Power could be... I dunno... Intelligence, Cunning, and... Resilience....? I'm not sure what would describe Yuga; I've only played through LBW once. 🤷🏼♀️
@@Radien For Yuga? I'd say flamboyance. haha
@wtcvidman creativity would be most likely. It takes a pretty creative person to think about making enemies into art, even more so paintings. He also sees things through an art critic’s lens with his remarks on beauty. I think it is cunning, intelligence and creativity.
"I used the stones to destroy the stones."
Lmfao Thanos
"I used the stones to fix the stones" -Also Thanos
When did he say that?
@@catalyst539 endgame
Illuminati Iluminado, Not that, the thing that Mr A wrote.
I always thought that Yuga and Hilda complimented one another in the same way that Link and Zelda compliment each other in Hyrule. Yuga being a mirror of both Ganondorf and Impa. I do like that the three main Lorulean characters all know each other while in Hyrule Link and Zelda meet for the first time and Ganon is sealed away. It really makes you think about what is going on behind the scenes in Lorule, and I wished we could have seen more of it.
A link between worlds is my favourite Zelda game and I'd love to see a return to Lorule one day. This game is just so fun! I'm happy to know you love the game too.
It would be awesome to a see another zelda game with lorule involved somehow. Get to see what all has changed since the triforce was restored.
My favorite Zelda ever is A Link to the past, but A Link between worlds conquered my heart with that goddamn music, and reflected notes on the themes of Hilda and Lorule's Castle. The first Lorule main theme is my favorite version ever of Dark world, and the ending with Ravio and Hilda always makes me cry
Their triforce can't be based on power wisdom and courage because hilda said: "A triforce based on such virtues as power, wisdom, and courage." From the fact that she needed to mention this we can infer that their triforce wasn't based on those same virtues, Not necesseraly the opposite but not the same.
Wisdom -> Insight Courage -> Creativity Power -> Manipulation
I got this theory from another video:
Courage- Cowardice
Wisdom- Ignorance
And, as that guy above me said:
Power- Manipulation.
That only happens in English. In Japanese and other localizations, she doesn't phrase it like so. It was just NOA being poetic.
You presume that the Lorulian Triforce embodies characteristics opposite to the Hyrulian Triforce. But you also don't consider that perhaps it has the opposite effect as well. By that I mean, the Triforce of Power makes Ganondorf powerful. But the same effect can be achieved by making others weaker, therefore the Triforce of Weakness could potentially allow the user to enfeeble other people thereby becoming powerful yourself by comparison.
Likewise, the Triforce of Fear would be useful as would the Triforce of Ignorance when it grants the user the ability to inflict these weaknesses on others. Given this concept of ying and yang that is present in Eastern culture it is not unexpected for Lorule to literally embody the opposite of Hyrule. As mentioned in this video; courage is the act of acting despite fear. Likewise power is the result of overcoming weaknesses and wisdom is attained by admitting ignorance.
The idea that Demise is not from Lorule is also ignoring one very simple fact of this duality - who was Hylia's counterpart? Some may say that since Zelda is the reincarnation of Hylia then Hilda is the same. But Hilda had no powers other than telepathy. So could it be that while Hyrule was blessed with Hylia, Lorule was cursed with Demise? Let's not also forget that it was Hylia who first wielded the Goddess Sword and Demise had a dark equivalent.
Kryyss X I’m glad you raised the point about Demise. If it were simply an inverted Triforce which was gold (or another colour) on his sword it would be different. However, it’s a blacked out Triforce looking almost identical to the symbol in Lorule’s Sacred Realm, added that Demise and his demons came from “fissures” in Hyrule’s land/ terrain. Demise stated in SS that he’d take the entire Triforce by force(probably true as Hylia wasn’t strong enough to kill him, she could only seal him) with the inference being that if he’s from Lorule, he would’ve done the same with their Triforce.. Boom! All of a sudden there’s an answer to why in addition the the wars waged, Hilda’s ancestor(s) destroyed Lorule’s Triforce. They didn’t have a Goddess ruling their world, they had Demise. With this reasoning, there was never any Master Sword in Lorule, but it’s quite possible that Demise’ sword was born out of the virtues of Lorule’s Triforce being destroyed(possibly by him, but this is never explained), which is the opposite of how the Master Sword was forged.
The way the characters struggle between the positive and negative sides of their virtue much resembles the Tarot Arcana. The Arcana each represent a progression through a different part of life, yet they hold a different meaning when reversed (viewed upside down). The upright Arcana represents progress but the reverse Arcana represent regression or entrapment within this virtue (i.e Upright Strength is confidence, courage and self control whereas reverse it's self doubt). The characters start off reversed leading to the fall of Lorule but through the story become upright.
Is that Miles Edgeworth I see?
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This might be a bit far-fetched but wouldn't it be cool if the virtues were messed up? Link gets power, Ganon gains wisdom, and Zelda gets courage? I know it's pretty rule-breaking, but when there are so many parallel worlds, I think it would make for a very interesting premise.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Gdorf might make a move on the Triforce of Courage in the BotW sequel. After all, it would've taken a fair bit of it to endure that imprisonment/torture for so long. With Zelda now de-facto ruler of Hyrule she'll come to prominence as the central power in the land, and Link... may just have to wise up to just how much he doesn't yet understand about Hyrule's past and the nature of evil.
Wasn't that almost exactly the case with Ravio, Hilda and Yuga? I'm pretty sure it was wisdom, power and courage respectively
Edit: I may have made that up as a headcanon while playing the game, because I legit thought it said that in game somewhere but that's not supported by this video, sorry
@@chiffmonkey That's a pretty cool theory
INS4NITY This is true. Technically Link’s heroic capabilities and Ravio’s reasoning stopped a desperate and corrupted Hilda. In every Zelda game with Link & Zelda Vs Ganon it winds up being Courage+Wisdom>Power, the same can be applied to Link+Ravio>Hilda.
@@MrZangetsu468 Wow! I only learned the story here but that is actually pretty cool!
I agree with almost everything, but I only think the lorule's triforce was restored thanks to link and Zelda's wish (at the end when they touch the triforce).
Yeah, it's heavily implied that Link and Zelda were moved by Hilda and Ravio's plight, and recognized that they truly did want to make amends for their country's past. Neither wanted Lorule to die, so they wished for the triforce to return.
True, but had Ravio and Hilda not found their courage and wisdom in the end, Link and Zelda wouldn't have been able to make it back to Hyrule to make the wish, right?
Was it just a coincidence that Lorule's Triforce was restored as a result of Ravio and Hilda earning their corresponding virtues?
Or was it...something more?
@@memedumpster3684 you're right
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I don't think two individuals finding their courage and wisdom would be enough to bring back a destroyed relic of the gods.... but I do believe their newfound virtues gave Link and Zelda the confidence to believe that they could bring their land back from the brink of ruin.
After all, would L & Z have wished for Lorule's Triforce to be restored if Hilda had resolved to use it to invade Hyrule? Or if Ravio didn't have the strength to plead for peace? Or if R & H couldn't stand up to Yuga, and he conquered Lorule, only to turn its Triforce against Hyrule?...
After all, conversely... if GANON ever managed to conquer Hyrule, and he was aware of the existence of parallel worlds, you can bet your booty that he'd try to conquer those other worlds, too.
The most likely explanation for the ending is Link.+ Zelda’s wish was for prosperity in Lorule, reversing the major atrocity of their Triforce being destroyed. This is similar to ALTTP Link’s wish whereby Ganon’s evil deeds were reversed. It’s unlikely they specifically wished them another Triforce, otherwise one could hypothetically keep wishing for and creating more Triforces.
A Link Between Worlds has always been one of my favorites as well. I just adore the artstyle, the story, and the music.
I came to watch some amazing Zelda content, and got Zelda content AND PERSONA 5 CONTENT.
I was really confused why persona 5 was brought up because their in completely different series
You never mentioned how the courage and wisdom through opposites of those traits could apply to Yuga. As you said, he was never weak, he was always powerful. But that's where you left it. No speculation on how it might still fit with the other stuff. But here's my thoughts: Yuga DID consider himself weak and through that weakness gained immense power. Ganondorf, his counterpart, was always so sure of his own abilities and strength. Yuga may not have been that way. The loss of the Triforce might have led him to believe he was nothing without that power. He was weak-willed. He may have considered it shameful to use Hilda to become powerful again. Not morally, but pridefully. He needed to ask his lesser for power. Something he might have despised having to do. But through that weakness, he became powerful.
Of course, I'm probably forgetting something in the game that proves this theory totally wrong.
Man, I love A Link Between Worlds, when I played it last year, man, that ending made me drop my jaw, I had chills dude. It was amazing, and we could also see the real power of the Triforce, like, if you get the Triforce to make your wish, you can wish for another Triforce lol
Hey Nintendoblackcrisis did you notice that the staff that Hilda was holding was a 3-D triforce and had 5 triforce pieces on it. I don't know why but that seemed interesting to me. It may be part of a larger conspiracy of more that 2 triforces.
At most, I was thinking that perhaps it's a reference to the pyramid from ALttP's Dark World? Yeah....idk
It’s 6 in total if you count the void in the middle which sits on top of Power(the bottom). It makes sense that the 4 top pieces of Wisdom x 2 and Courage x 2 = Zelda & Hilda and Link & Ravio, respectively. The bottom piece (Power) and the void (inverted power) would represent Ganon and Yuga, being two different sides of the same coin and merging together.
@@MrZangetsu468 True, True But the void in the middle may represent the tetraforce...............Or It may just be unrelated.
hahahahhehokd hahahah The tetraforce? That’s a really old theory, and Tetra from WW most likely took/ assumed that alias because in WW the ToW was divided into 2 pieces + the ToC + ToP = 4 pieces. At this point the tetraforce which appeared on the OG Hylian Shield in the Talons of the red bird (loftwing) can be explained by the events of SS, where Link (the inverted piece) unifies the entire Triforce to destroy The Imprisoned.
Yes I have be interested in seeing a story with 5 pieces. Adding love and another peice
Finally someone that says skyward sword *ISN'T* trash
Its controls are
@@gavinbrown216 fair enough but it's still my childhood, and it went against the grain on story
Cookie I agree, I’m saying that ONLY the controls are trash
@@gavinbrown216 ok, yes I agree, trying for thirty seconds to unlock a new sword by doing a skyward slash was kind of anticlimactic
No complaints with the story. I do have complaints with half of the music, though I’m in the minority there. But the controls and mechanics...?
Yeah they’re trash.
-and TP’s gyroscope worked just fine. Well, save for the clawshots. The clawshots were always really flaky if you couldn’t target something. Which if they wanted to adjust that for the items, fine. But the swordplay and bombs getting that, too? It...was awful. And the skyward strike was terrible for anything but cutting grass, really. Simply too slow.-
Id really like to see a theory about the oracle games as they are super underrated. I played on my 3ds on the virtual console and i really emjoyed it
Honestly they are two of the best in the series! Yet never get mention. Their story line, the Maku trees, how Din and Nayru (and Farore) decided to take mortal form akin to Hylia/Zelda. Each with their own respective powers which also fit the Lore of OoT Creation Myth (Din created the land, Seasons. Nayru gave law and order, Time, Farore gave life and wisdom, Secrets.. There is so so so much to be said and covered re these games!
*hungry tokay noise*
I agree that the Oracle games deserve some love.
Heck, with Link's Awakening DX on the Switch, Nintendo already has some good ground-work to remake the Oracle games.
Maybe even as one overall game to streamline the linked aspects of the two stories.
Link between worlds was the first zelda game I ever played and I feel like it’s actually the best game in the series to start with. The puzzles are fun and intuitive but never get insanely confusing and the combat stays fun throughout the game due to the ability to purchase new items as you go. Still one of my favorites for sure.
We so need a sequel to "A Link between Worlds"
YES LBW THEORY THATS THE FIRST GAME IVE PLAYED AND MY FAVORITE YESSSS
Not the first one I played, but the first one I beat
@@amyk4503 same lol
Haha aame
I wonder what happened to lorule in the adult and child timeline
Same with other games they have different maps that don't have a hero
Malladus in child and downfall
bellum in child and adult
majora in adult and downfall
They should all be alive in those timelines
Taran Lorule’s crack only formed when It was at its lowest point and Hyrule was really prospering, prior to LoZ. It’s similar to Termina being in need of salvation, which almost seems to have occurred by subverting the events of OOT, which brought peace to Hyrule, prior to TP.
Malladus may have existed for eons before(outside of old Hyrule) but he only assumed the position of “Demon King” after Ganondorf was gone. Bellum seems to be a manifestation of Malice which has overtaken a regular living organism(squid).
@@MrZangetsu468 but they all still exist and are in the other timelines
I mean, Majora IS found in ALBW Link's bedroom, so it's safe to say that he's still alive and kicking. Though, since there's no host for Majora, he's harmless. Don't know about Bellum.
that's.. interesting to think about :)
Taran It’s implied but not confirmed. Pupsicle mentioned Majora’s Mask being on Link’s wall in ALBW as one example. We know MM came from Termina due to the Stone Tower and the events of the game, but the Happy Mask Salesman had possession of it at least during/ directly after OOT... However, the in the ‘Hero is Defeated’ Timeline he never gets robbed by Skull Kid and never ends up back in Termina, and therefore the events of MM, the Moon crashing and the eventual awakening of Majora and the Fierce Deity(via Child Link, which only occurs in the Child Timeline) doesn’t occur. The mask, therefore remains stagnant and is perhaps gifted to Link by the HMS, where it remains on his wall(as a F4F ornament) for generations.... Or it’s an Easter egg. The truth is the variable elements for each of the Zelda Timelines are actually Timeline specific. Really aside from BotW, it’s quite straight forward when it comes to the distinction between the 3 timelines. i.e. The Twilight Realm with the Interlopers’ War and Backstory - at least according to HH - doesn’t occur in all 3 timelines. Therefore the events regarding the Twilight Realm don’t apply in the ‘Hero is Defeated’ or ‘Adult’ Timelines.
When ever I AM asked which ZELDA is my favorite, my reply is....
YES
My reply is.... *LINK* 💫 👋 💥 😭
Even the ones I haven't played are my favorite
Easier question than 'best game' is surely 'best Zelda Incarnation', right?
I mean, seriously, the Pirate in Wind Waker is like 10 levels above all others in Quality.
And all her personality made 'Poof' and was just GONE the second she returned to being 'just Zelda'... Impressive, in a way...
Slevin Channel Why do you keep pasting this in every thread??
@@MrZangetsu468 Simple: Huge comment section.
And i wanna discuss the matter.
I absolutely love link between worlds! Hilda and Ravio were amazing characters who had good character development and stood up despite their errors and shortcomings, even straying from the rigth path.... I love these kinda characters bcz it shows humanity at its best! Hilda's redemption was❤️❤️❤️👌🏽 also these characters were rly interesting to me bcz usually zelda and link are portrayed like they know what they're doing, never faltering,facing everything bravely head on and that's not relatable to me😂😅
My boy NBC allways putting out the best content.
Great video... you could also talk about the old man in the village, which apparently would be the LINK to a link to the past.. nice tribute to the greatest hero of the zelda saga (in my opinion).
Doesn't it make sense that a link exists and that another is born when the previous one is supposed to be still alive, how would the soul reincarnate?
It's stupid to say that, it doesn't make sense (besides it happened like 200 years after a link to the past), it's probably just a nice tribute that has nothing to do with the link from a link to the past xd.
A Link Between Worlds is my favorite Zelda I love it, not only because it's just fun, but once you get to Lorule you can do Dungeons in any order, renting and buying items was interesting, and I always found Lorule especially interesting. I played it 18 hours straight when it came out, which I played Breath of the Wild even longer than that but that's because it just had more to do.
I feel so happy to see a video about Link Between Worlds and it's kingdom of Lorule!
Loving the vids lately man, keep it up!
I had always thought that Likk and Zelda wished that Lorule's Triforce would return to them using their Triforce, but this makes a lot of sense. Maybe both actions caused the Lorule Triforce to return, or the wish brought it into existence, and the growth of character reempowered it.
Nbc: *Uploads*
Me: *Instinctivly clicks*
Your intros are so good I also love the music
Wow! While watching this I remembered the thing you drew and posted in the theories channel on the discord I didn’t understand anything about it because I’m not educated in many Zelda games but I understand now great video!
Thanks for the heart NBC!
Spoilers:
Ravio is Ravioli
The birdman from Breath of the Wild? I KNEW IT!
ALBW was my first Zelda game and I love it!! Cool to see that you have now a video about it xD
Thanks guys. With the world as crazy as it is right now, I've come to have a deeper appreciation for the work you all put into these videos. Love theories, love Zelda, love these channels. ✌
Great video, keep up the good work!
After watching this, I'm beginning to wonder if Lorule is in any way related to the Twilight Realm, as both are dark parallels to Hyrule. One of the connections I found was that between the three main characters of each realm, as they share the same virtues at first. Zant is like Ravio in refusing to stand up to Midna's claim to the throne and searching for another solution, Midna is like Hilda in foolishly ignoring the needs of Hyrule, and Ganon is like Yuga in forming a plan to use others foolishness to gain power. Like how Hilda and Ravio's weaknesses are corrected, so are that of Zant and Midna, with Zant gaining courage from his new power and Midna gaining selflessness by witnessing Zelda's selfless sacrifice.
Great video and props for using Explorers of Sky music, love that game!
I would love to see either a LoZ game based entirely in Lorule, or a glimpse 'like an expansion/dlc' of BotW2 having a Lorule overworld to explore.
Actually that idea would make for an awesome expansion/dlc of not just a Lorule overworld, but also a Twilight realm overworld in the present day Hyrule timeline, because if they also follow the same flow of time, then both Lorule and the Twilight realm has centuries of time that has passed since their respective games.
Great video as always! I would love to see more link between worlds theories. Also who do you think Ganons Lorule counterpart is and what do you think happened to him?
It's probably yuga because the ganondorf's virtue is power and yuga use magic power he found somewhere, but not his own power, plus he is physically weak.
Yesss love these videos!
Also maybe there's two other worlds with half turned triforces?
Finally another game gets a spotlight!
Ah yes, the famous Loforce, with its three triangles, Cowardice, Foolishness and Weakness.
Don’t forget Hilda’s ancestor, Goddess Lolia...
I love the A Link Between Worlds, but I never finished the game. :(
I need to go ahead and play it on my channel so I don't have to keep dodging videos about it in fear for spoilers.
I lost my cartridge ffff
@@itsjustgoose1221 I have it on the 3ds VC
The concept of Lorule is just so cool, its a shame we've never seen or heard from it again (so far).
My favorite Zelda games are wind waker, breath of the wild, skyward sword and twilight princess! Just thought I'd say because why not and you said your favorite Zelda games lol it is a hard question tho
Oot tp and minish cap
@@blindedjourneyman minish is so good!
The legend of Hilda: Ravio’s slumber
I never played ALBW myself, but it's interesting, great vid NBC, HMK!
I love how lorule is alternate universe compared to hyrule. Meaning the theory multiverses may exist within game could be true. I think Demise originally was a god of some sort he lived within the sacred realm amongst the gods but saw to overrule them. Meaning Demise wanted create and rule worlds himself by using the triforce. Unfortunately the gods saw to banish Demise because of his schemes to over through him. The gods created many worlds or universe to test who can defeat demise’s evil once and for all. Thank you guys so much for this video.
All we know is that it's an alternate world. It's not an alternate universe because it's tied to Hyrule, but more like a parallel world much like Termina was in Majora's Mask. For all we know it could be on the same planet, like the southern hemisphere or something. But we don't really know and we also don't know if the same gods that made Hyrule made Lorule as well. And we don't know what virtues the Triforce of Lorule was based on. All we know is that the Triforce of Hyrule restored Lorule's Triforce because it would grant whatever wish those who possessed it would wish. That means it can restore the Triforce that may have been created by an alternate set of gods because it had the power to do anything. I definitely don't think the same gods created a multiverse. The way I see it, each Zelda universe/timeline contains its own version of Hyrule, Lorule, Termina, Holodrum, Labrynna, and all the other non-Hyrule locations presented in Zelda games because they are all tied to their own version of Hyrule, otherwise which Hyrule would a Hylian visitor going to those lands return to upon going home? If anything, ALttP's Hyrule should be considered an alternate universe compared to that of adult & child timelines if you look at what the timeline gave us, but the timeline is non-canon because Nintendo themselves said they could change it at any time as they already did somewhat in the Zelda Encyclopedia with Link's Awakening. But if the timeline was followed, the downfall scenario was just that---a what if scenario. So the entire downfall timeline by that logic would not be a timeline but an alt universe because the events are mutually exclusive and can not happen in the same universe as the one where OoT & MM happened.
I have a much different idea of Demise that I'd like to make a theory about because I think many people would like it greatly.
Excellent video guys.
Keep in mind that Hyrule is not the only kingdom known to exist. Holodrum and Labrynna also exist. Since the goddesses are seemingly the source of all life and considered the creators of "Hyrule" it would seem that there is the land of Hyrule and the kingdom of Hyrule. Kind of like how we have New York state and New York City. Therefore it isn't unlikely that Lorule and Termina exist within the same alternate realm but are different kingdoms of the same land.
One interesting fact though is that we've never been given an origin for the Interpolers who eventually became the Twili. Yet, when you visit the Twilight Realm you can see that the Twili themselves appear to be a mixture of races with some even resembling Gorons. Given the Interloper/Twili's fascination with masks combined with their name "interloper" you have to wonder if these were citizens from Lorule who entered Hyrule through the breach in the Sacred Realm following the destruction of the Lorulian Triforce who intended to steal the Hylian Triforce.
Tbh, every time I see the ending and hear the music of ALBW, it makes me start to tear up, because it’s such an incredibly powerful moment to see
Just from your description of the game at the beginning made me want to play it
Yay your finally making zelda theory's again!!!!!!!!!!
My first legend of zelda was a link betwen worlds it was amazing
this is such an underrated entry in the zelda series i just love it so much
I feel like it's more likely that the mentioned war is actually the counterpart of the Interloper War, rather than the Imprisoning War. The Interloper war was fought over the Triforce. The Imprisoning war was only about keeping Ganon and his forces inside of the Dark World, who'd already gotten ahold of the Triforce by then. This means that Hilda's ancestors would not have access to it to destroy it. So, it's more likely that Lorule has some unknown and distinct history but being dimensionally locked to Hyrule as a mirror means that similar outcomes will happen, and mirrors of all people born in Hyrule will be born in Lorule. Thus, Lorule in the DT mirrors Hyrule in the DT, but probably didn't face its own version of the Imprisoning war especially considering their mirror of Ganon was still, well, not Ganon and Yuga is only a symbollic mirror, not a literal, dimensional mirror as Ganon's existence is bound to Demise who did not have a Lorule counterpart.
Also, the Master Sword was likely never forged in Lorule, and Hilda's bloodline exists to mirror Zelda, but does not originate from a mirrored goddess. Hylia and Demise's existence are rooted outside of Hyrule, and Lorule is strictly a mirror of Hyrule, meaning that it does not contain a mirror of Hylia or Demise.
This is my favorite 2D Zelda and it's nice hearing about people talk about it for once lol
I beg to differ on Yuga being noted as a powerful character. After the first battle with him he's shown to be quite winded (by the regular bow and first sword nonetheless), and in both battles he ends up running away. He *does* posess weakness, and it's why he sought out Ganon.
Cool a video about my favourite Zelda game
While the theme of Lorule's triforce being restored by regaining their lost virtues (Hilda's wisdom, Ravio's courage and even Yuga's temporary power) I always thought of the virtues being split differently. The would-be hero Ravio displays Wisdon. The desperate Princess displays immense power. And the mad painter ventures across dimensions to enact his evil plot, something that took immense Courage.
I gotta agree
Why are you referencing Persona instead of referencing Jung, who coined the "collective unconscious".
May not of read him. Is a good read.
@@blindedjourneyman Google exists :P
chiffmonkey Haha, we are not all learned doctors! But Jung is definitely one of my preferred philosophers.
I was introduced to jung through persona, maybe they just haven’t gone the extra step in researching it tho 😂
Its all good, I’m just glad jungs ideas are being spread in some way.
because they are gamers with a small scope of any literature and all of their knowledge comes from some popular video games. lol. Yes, Persona is literally based on Jungian psychology and would have been a far more intelligent comparison to use especially since they said that "the best example" is Persona. They meant "the only example we can think of."
off topic, but i loved Hilda's telepathic messages throughout the game. my friend and i would always make fun little jokes through each of the games we play, and i had to come up with "Link... Link... you are a butt. So says I, Hilda of Lorule."
I like the theory that Demise came from Lorule.
He was sealed and imprisoned in Hyrule, which would leave the Lorule TriForce unguarded.
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What I enjoy the most about this video is your explanations about each of the three Zelda games that are your favourites :)
The first 2 you said are in your top 3 I totally agree with you and the third one was my first zelda game
I just recently made a lorule based drawing and now i get this video
That thumbnail is awsome
👍👍I like hearing about more Zelda games. I'd like to hear 1 about the 1st Zelda game.
keep up the good vids
I was waiting to see a theory of this game. I’ve played it the day it came out. Went to a pharmacy and they had a section for some reason, and again for some reason it was the only place that had it in stock.
very cool vid
Yes this game needs some love I never see any theories about this game
Those are my top 3 Zelda games too! Flipping Majora and Windwaker :)
Love this beautiful game!!
Vaguely on topic, I noticed that Ravio and Kafei from Majora’s Mask have similar colour schemes - purple clothes and darker purple/indigo hair. This could indicate a connection between Lorule and Termina, but I think there’s a bigger takeaway - does this confirm that Kafei is Link’s Terminian equivalent? There’s some hints that he’s Link’s opposite - purple is the opposite of green in rgb colour schemes, he’s an adult who magically becomes a child, as opposed to Link who’s a child that magically became an adult in OoT, and there’s a section where you play as him (I believe the first playable character other than Link in a Zelda game?). These are all potential clues but it was never confirmed. Then comes ALBW, with a character who is 100% confirmed to be Link from another universe, Ravio. Now purple clothes were kind of a given - as I said before it’s the rgb opposite of green, and through the game Link wears red and blue, meaning that purple would stand out, but the hair - dark purple is not a natural hair colour, why not black or brown hair? Was it to create a connection with Kafei? We may never know for sure, but I think it could be
It's okay to have more than one favorite. I have three. Not being able to pinpoint what makes a game your favorite is part of it. There's just a little, special something about it that you can't quite put into words.
WHY AM I SO LATE TO THIS VIDEO! I loved this game to death!
I just completed the game a couple hours ago! The ending was so good!
so, the triforce could just create a new triforce? that shit op
lockstin did a great video on the subject of the dark world in one of his zelda theory videos.
Loving tha pokemon mystery dungeo darkness/time/sky music
Imagine if Nintendo released a Lorulean game or games about what was happening in Lorule when some of the Hyrule games took place
Hmm that would be epic!! Why don't they do it? I am almost hoping they will be adding lorule or some other world other than hyrule in breath of the world 2
I think the virtues of the lorulean triforce are diferent but mirrors hyrule's in a certain way while still being virtues a true leader of people would need:
Rabio isn't a courageous hero, who sword in hand mows down hordes of monsters. But he is more of the greek anti hero archetype, the hero that through his mind and sometimes manipulation finds a way to do the imposible so I believe he represents: Guile/Cunning.
The ancestors of hilda give up the chance of imense power to stop the wars and she herself put a quick actually working plan to capture the triforce of another kingdom, finally when she saw the error of her ways she didn't really think twice about saving Hyrule even if it costed her the ultimate price.
I think she has the virtue of resolve something she doesn't lacks but can make you make foolish mistakes out of short-sigthness.
Finally Yuga, Yuga its a strange case, he isn't really weak and despite being powerful it isn't the thing he is most proud of, he mentoins beauty a lot but all in all it doesn't seem like a virtue you would put on the triforce.
I believe his virtue its what became his sickness and the origin of his obsecion with beauty:
Flawlessness/perfection, he wants to destroy lorule and remade it from scratch without a single "blemish"
If you take a flawless resolute and cunning leader wouldn't you follow him? sounds as good as a courageos strong wise king .
The Imprisoning War is not the counterpart to Lorule destroying their Triforce. The Imprisoning War was the aftermath to Ganon having acquired the Triforce, tainting the Golden Land into the Dark World, transforming Hylians who ended up in the Dark World into monsters that joined his army, and ultimately sending them to Hyrule to attack the kingdom so Ganon himself could take over unopposed. It was the war to seal off the Dark World before Ganon escaped it himself and brought his godlike power (since he had the full Triforce) to Hyrule. If anything, the destruction of Lorule's Triforce could be the counterpart of the era where those with greed for the Triforce were searching for it everywhere when knowledge of where the Golden Land could be entered was lost to everyone, even to the wise men/sages. That was the era when Ganondorf in ALttP's backstory was one of those searching for it and was the one who found the entrance with his gang of thieves. But there's nothing that says that the Lorulean version of that event happened at the same time as Hyrule's. While the 2 lands have counterparts of each other's characters, their histories can be drastically different.
Finally! when Link Between Worlds came out I played the crap out of it beating both regular and hero mode
I agree, I think this game has THE best ending in the series
10:36-10:48 that is very wise and I love it
I loved the Persona Analogy!
Where does the amazing outro song coming from ? I realy likes it!
Maybe the reason the Dark World looks like Lorule is because Ganon (Demise) had the memory of his old home and the rules of the sacred realm turned into what it is. The timeline might not sum up but maybe they just got rid of the Triforce before Demise came out of the ground. Or maybe time works differently between Hyrule and Lorule.
In addition to this, of time where to work differently, maybe Ternmina is Lorule since we do see I’m the Stone Tower Temple a figure of the Triforce being mocked. Plus it was established that the Terminian Royal family was in Ikana. Or maybe Termina is what is in between Hyrule and Lorule, being a “terminal” between the two worlds.
Maybe a bit before the events of Majoras Mask, Termina had recently destroy it’s Triforce, but centuries later the world little by little got more and more corrupted, until the world turned into the Twilight realm.
I know these theories are kinda convoluted and don’t make sense, but if someone is able to organize it and give it your own spin, be free too.
That ending makes me tear up every damn time
i like the detail that, in contrast to link, ravio talks
I would love to see games with the lorulean trio. It would definetly change the standard concept of the Zelda franchise!
honestly a link between worlds has always been my favorite game i would play it 100,000 times!
I think the bird that follows Ravio (I forgot it's name) is a reference to Navi from Ocarina of Time, even the colors are inverted, Navi is blue with white wings, and the bird is white with blue wings
So could you theorize that the counterparts to link and zelda have the opposite effect of the triforce because it was gone. Almost as if those virtues never existed
I like how this is a Zelda video but the music is Pokémon Mystery Dungeon XD
Basing on this video, Termina is connected to Hyrule directly as the stone pillars on the road to ikanya valley reference the triforce including the fact that the song of storms is found on ikanya