Pumping Iron - Daddy Issues & Flexing Fatherhood
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- From the opening theme song to the haunting glimpse of "The Father of Bodybuilding" Eugene Sandow in the credits, 'Pumping Iron' delves into the idea that fatherhood can be a powerful motivator for success, and that the relationship between a father and son can be a complex and layered one.
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Good or bad, right or wrong I don't think the world would be aware of Arnold or Lou if it wasn't for the resentment they both felt for their father's. The resentment fueled their drive to become something special, to prove I'm better than my father.
I remember Malcom Gladwell wrote about studies on the absent father/eminent orphan phenomenon in his book David and Goliath.
The theory suggests that many highly successful individuals, particularly in the realm of business and entrepreneurship, come from families with a "hole" in their upbringing, such as the absence of a father figure.
Gladwell argues that this "hole" or "eminent orphan" status allows individuals to develop a strong sense of autonomy and drive, as they are not held back by the expectations or influence of a strong father figure. He suggests that this can be an important factor in their ability to take risks and achieve success.
Maybe in a way, this worked similarly in Lou and Arnold's situation as I know it has in many bodybuilders driven to succeed.
Thanks for commenting Stefanos
@@carvedouttastone we're driven by our experiences and even lack of experiences. A person's behaviour is determined by their very own subconscious. Also your videos are highly insightful and being a fan of body-building since 1989 it astounds me the rare video footage and photos you display in your videos.
@@stefanosprokopis6974 That means a lot mate. Thanks for saying. I'm going to keep trying to put out some quality content with analysis from a different angle.
@Carved Outta Stone That is 100% correct. I once saw a video that had interviews with Arnold Schwarzenegger and his friend Sven Ole Thorsen. A Dolph Lundgren interview was also shown. All 3 men believed the strained relationships they had with their fathers was the primary motivator for their success. I believe Arnold in particular mentioned, had he been closer with his father and his brother Meinhard not been favoured over him, he would not have been nearly as driven to be successful and accomplish what he has accomplished.
Dolph Lungren in recent years has opened up about his abusive father. Most notably on the TED Talks platform. It was a great talk, I highly recommend it.
It goes to show you how important upbringing is and how it molds a person for better or worse. I do believe, however, an individual's choices and personality ultimately decide who they become.
I’m not body building but recently moved back with my parents and quit drinking and started lifting heavy and posting it on social media…dead lifted 500 for a 1 rep max and he was proud of me…feels nice
I dread to think on how Gustav treated his wife.
Explains the indivdual with clear narcissistic traits Schwarzenegger became as an adult. Narcissists are formed by either abuse or excessive praise during their formative years. A genetic factor must be present as well.
The nature/nurture argument regarding how people's personalities unfold over their time is fascinating. When I study Arnold's life, the multiplicity of influences makes his life story even more mind blowing. Thanks for commenting Gunter 😊
Once again a great in depth dive into this very iconic documentary!
Male role models for boys growing up are absolutely critical, something so many lack in this day and age.
It is always a powerful story of will and determination when boys can overcome less than perfect father figures or fathers that are never around.
Love your work on this channel!!
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Always a total pleasure to read your helpful feedback CW. Being a teacher on the front lines, it's something you'd see even more than most.
I dare say if we could have more teachers and strong men in our lives like yourself, then we would be a better society indeed.
Keep putting this type of content out there. It doesn't exist on a great level on YT. You have a great narration voice as well. Always look forward to your content. Great stuff asper usual
Thanks mate always for your support. My channel has really taken a hit lately. I see other old school channels - eg Natty Life which does videos like "why old time lifters have flat chests" getting 3 million views and I wonder, "what am I doing wrong" as my stuff is getting next to zero. Golden Era Bookworm reads a slide show presentation like he's stoned on oxycodone and gets 100k views... Does my content need work? Am I missing a key ingredient. Not sure why the numbers are poor by comparison. Open to any feedback on how to improve the reach.
Never knew Lou's father was so cold. Always seemed so supportive in Pumping Iron
He was scripted in to add interest,no real connection between him n Lou.
It was also nonsense that R&J Fitness Studio dump was where Lou trained. It was chosen by the Pumping Iron masters due to its dungeon-like appearance.
Your videos are insanely high quality keep making these man
Thanks mate I'm still a beginner so I'm kind cringing each time I hit upload but hopefully you're enjoying them. Positive comments like yours motivates me to stick with it. All the best a d thanks for commenting 🙂
I'm certainly not an Arnold fan but I actually felt sorry for him given his upbringing. Arnold will do or say whatever is good for Arnold.
It's great he steered it into a positive. His brother let the upbringing destroy him, but he allowed it to become his fuel. I bet you he sees his father in his dreams and subconscious every day. It's the link between so many great men's lives - the absent or abusive father
Another revelation classic. Like a muscle these documentary 💪 are shaping my idea of what I thought I knew about these legendary body builders
Here's something from the "take it for what it is department". Arnold later recanted on the story of his Father's funeral, stating that it had been a story he took from a French bodybuilder. This was to build his persona and the stress the discipline of champions. He said his father didn't die before a contest and that he had attended the funeral of his father. He also stated that his father attended the 1972 Olympia and died later that year. The 1972 Olympia was held in October 1972. His father's death has been recorded as December 13th, 1972, which supports Arnold's claim.
So there's no pics of proud father and son at the 72 Olympia win that Gustav "supposedly" attended? Then the psychic Arnold hung around austria for a few months after knowing his father was going to die of stroke so he could attend the funeral....exactly the same as he DIDN'T do with his brother meinhard the year before. Nahhh, sounds like a reach to me. Why did Arnold's story evolve again in his most recent documentary release? The guy tells more lies than Pinocchio
Interesting also how Arnold didn't give credit to Weider in the mainstream until he had established himself. In his latest book "Total Recall" he did credit Weider for helping him get his start and mentions him extensively throughout the book
Yes 45 years AFTER being established. He didn't write Total Recall in the 70s/80s which is the era that was referred to in the video
@@carvedouttastone it goes to show what a politician Arnold was before he even became a real politician...he had every intention to shape his own narrative and make it appear that he did everything on his own
I believe that Arnold deserved all his Olympia wins. Others might disagree.
I'm making a video on it, lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I will say that his arms and chest in that show were still outstanding compared to the rest of the lineup
Weider 😂
Yes! He deserved to win that 1980 Mr. Olympia. I am glad he won it.😉
I disagree that he deserved the 1980 win. Although I believe he did legitimately win in 1975, the entire competition was scripted in advance for Pumping Iron.
The SS-Guy (1:10) in the video in the black uniform isn't Schwarzenegger's dad, but Otto Wächter, an austrian SS-Lieutenant-General, who was head of the police in Austria in the third Reich. Arnolds father served in the Feldgendarmerie as well as SA as a master sgt, as far as I know and is seen for instance at 1:35 in his Wehrmacht (not SS) uniform.
Good pickup - searching for pics of Gustav turned up quite a few references to Wächter's - now of which (thanks to you), I know is a misattribution.
(When I found them I thought, "Geez, Arnold's dad cut a very dashing figure in those photos).
I featured a pic in the video of the Feldgendarmerie soldiers, the "chain-dogs" as they were referred to due to the necklace worn - but that is also, not Gustav - but just my artistic license at work, 😀 Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@carvedouttastone no problem! Love your content! Keep up the good work and greetings from Germany!
Pleased to hear that. And thank you again. Greetings from Australia!
@@carvedouttastone I suppose we all look alike to you don't we?
I blame my Prosopagnosia 😂
Man i love this channel! I admire your vision and content and appreciate what you're doing with the channel. GOD bless 💖🤗
Thanks for that very kind feedback. Hope you check out the other videos too and subscribe if you want to see more content in the future I have planned
I'd bet meinhard could have went far in the sport also with those family genetics
13:06 Weider knows that Arnold is a cold-hearted calculated business machine, a venomous betraying snake, but he plays the game, as there is money to be made selling magazines and supps. Arnold was employed as editor during his governmental stint.
Irony with the Weiders is that they ran their empire with just as much autocracy as any brutal dictator. A predatory empire built on lies and Arnold was that perfect Aryan statesman for the time.
This should be part of University Curriculums . Many of us build our “ gorilla suits “ as a direct result of our fathers influence…. be they good , or bad .
Great video;)
Well said Eric. Thanks for commenting again!
In a 2009 interview, Arnold answered the question about the Skipp ok ng funeral... That was not true It was made up for the show.
"To clarify further, Arnold revealed that the part where he refused to go to his father’s funeral was fictionalized. He heard that story from a bodybuilder in France. Arnold’s father passed away in 1972, three months after the competition. He explained that the movie’s investors suggested adding fictional portions to the film to keep the audience entertained."
🤦♂️ right. Arnold is the final and verifiable source for all things biographical about Arnold.
What everyone else witnessed and reported including his close gf at the time is completely null and void.
Forgetting Arnold was in political office at the time and running his own damage control campaign equates for nothing and makes him the font of credibility. 🙄
@@carvedouttastone Never mind that records show that Gustov Died December 13 1972 and the 1972 Mr. Olympia Competition took place in October 1972 in Essen West Germany. You know that in 1972 there was an EAST and WEST Germany? He confessed to missing his Brothers Meinhard’s funeral. Meinhard died May 1971 and Arnold was in the middle of prepping for the Mr. Olympia that would take place in September of that year in France. He said this after he told the truth about his Father’s funeral. He said in 2009 even though he was in his second and final term as Governor of California.
So which excuse is it then? He took the story from a boxer/bodybuilder as he stated before? Or he deliberately skipped the funeral of two family members because a male beauty contest ranked higher than honouring their memories. Not sure what EAST and WEST Germany have to do with anything, but ok.
And never mind the fact his own Gf, who was the closest person to him during those years said he had no interest returning home to his father's funeral, somehow carries less weight than some random guy's assertion to the contrary on TH-cam, but again, ok.
@@carvedouttastone I never said he skipped the funeral of two family members. I said he skipped his brothers. Arnold has clarified this in many interviews. As far as steeling the story about skipping the father’s funeral, he has been saying this at least since the 25th anniversary of Pumping Iron in 2002. In 2002 (before Arnold Entered politics) HBO did a Pumping Iron 25th anniversary special on the making of pumping iron and they did a making of the making of where Arnold says he stole the story of a body builder skipping his father’s funeral.
Here look for yourself th-cam.com/video/MaTw-GjFtVo/w-d-xo.html.
Now I understand your a fan of Arnold, a Fan of Pumping Iron and a person who enjoys making these videos. Great!
Don’t get bent out of shape when people inform you of facts you may have missed. Nobody intended it maliciously. I don’t expect you to have even been alive in 2002 when the video of the link I posted was aired, let alone know what it contained. Finaly if yo want to believe your presentation is still factual then fine. It is your right to believe whatever you want to believe, even if other people have presented a mountain of facts and evidence to the contrary. Have a nice day and keep up the video making, or as the kids say CONTEN
No wonder Lou took the Incredible Hulk job
He was born to play that role. Interesting that he won it over Arnold. I would've thought Arnold's charisma would have won him the spot, but it was Louie's destiny I guess
That pic of joe weider at 12.45 was actually Joe's head with the body of Clancy Ross.
Oh wow interesting. I know that he commissioned that infamous bust based on Robby's upper body...didn't realise he stole Clancy's torso also. I thought maybe he had run a Weider Mega Mass 4000 Bulking phase or something ,lol
@@carvedouttastone I think it was Peter mcgough that mentioned on an interview . If you compare photos of Clancy and the how weider photo you'll see it's Clancys body. It definitely wasn't mega mass 5000 as that product came out 40 years after the photo was taken. That's one thing I hated about Weider were his bullshit supplement claims which I fell for back in the day. Maybe you can do a video about that topic one day.
This is a great video, I’m sure they weren’t the best dads, but they meant the best and their sons turned out to be legends
Great point Matthew. Thanks for the feedback on the video
I'm not 💯%, but was Arnolds father in the SS ?
I thought Wehrmacht, but I might be wrong. Learn something new every day
My thumbnail was wrong in this case. Arnold's dad was more SA and eventually the Kettunhunde (Chain Dogs) Feldgendarmerie (military police)
I am really glad that Lou did create his own family and I hope he could be the best father possible. Feel sorry for him, as he probably went through a lot of mental suffering, but he did well in life, although I have no idea if there are any major bodies in his closet. Arnold did waltz through his daddy issues using bravado, steroids, women and asserted control and dominance over people and truth.
Lou seemed to carry a lifetime of bitterness combined with a strange hubris throughout the years. Charging fans for autographs, suing family members and being an entitled dick hadn't endeared him in the hearts and minds of many
Amazing video bro! This must have taken a lot of work… tell me, how many hours you worked for this?
The history of who his father was in the 1938-45, starting after the night of the broken glass and continuing membership throughout the period of greatest atrocities while gaining rank within the system. What should be emphasized is that Arnold activity speaks against prejudice and is not his father. It is not Arnold’s fault who his father was, and he was good enough not to take his father’s example.
The written and verbal record from Arnold's younger days shows a very different Arnold than "Arnold the carefully curated politician".
He's one of my biggest inspirations, but I have no illusions that he has a graveyard full of skeletons in his closet as my upcoming video will discuss
Thanks for commenting 😊
Really Cool ,Truthful
Thanks Retrobilly. Glad you enjoyed it. Check out the other vids if you have time
another insightful video, thank you. some questions. so arnold really DID miss his fathers funeral? i had heard him say he stole that story from another body builder. and then on the dating game short, right after i watched it, i looked it up and watched on youtube & there was none of that. can you give more of the backstory on these two?
Hey Jordan - it's highly probable in my opinion that he skipped his dad's funeral deliberately based on his long time girlfriend's statement along with the fact that he recounted three different excuses. His dad also treated him badly, so I don't think he was rushing home to see his funeral.
The short I made is based on a story in Arnold's biography called Fantastic. I can't find the original footage so I used Arnold's game show appearance on the dating show as it was around the same time and the expressions fit the scene lol. Haha creative license on my part
Thanks for commenting 😊
Oh, it wasn’t on the dating game, it was something else. Got it. I’d love to see whatever that was, sounded hilarious
I wonder if there's a way to dig into some of this archive TV footage. Would love to unearth some of these gems
@@carvedouttastone Arnold's Autobiography "Total Recall" mentions that he couldn't make it to his father's funeral because he was competing in New York when news of his fathers death was sent to him. Since he was competing and the call was to his apartment Franco Columbo was told instead of Arnold and Franco didn't have the heart to tell Arnold until he made it back to California. Which by that time it was to late for Arnold to get to the Funeral in time. He missed his brother Meinhard's funeral due to needing knee surgery after an accident during an exhibition/promotion job for Joe Weider's supplement company. I'm pretty sure he says he stole the story about missing funerals in Pumping Iron in the follow up about the original doc but Idk if the book was published before or after the second doc came out.
Arnold says lots of things. Many of them lies. Just because it's in a book doesn't make it real. His book shouldn't have been called Total Recall - he should have called it True Lies instead.
Arnold is a politician first and foremost. He makes up lots of stuff to create illusions reflecting he wants people to think of him. He's the master of misdirection.
Like the time he said his bricklaying business was called "Pumping Bricks" - no it wasn't -Butler and Gaines said the terminology wasn't even in use when he was doing that...just little things like that - he's a bullshitter? He's pathological, lol
Thanks for commenting Equeleto
Interesting insights 👍💪
Hey Cymro65. Thanks for watching. Anything stand out in the video particularly?
Love ur vedios bro ❤❤❤
And I love that you watch them and comment. Really motivates me to want to make more and get better at this new found hobby and passion of mine. Thanks Prime_lk
Very insightful videos mate
Thanks for that comment and positive feedback mate. Hope you stay watching for more to come. Aussie?
@Carved Outta Stone sure am mate. And I'm about 5 videos deep! Good on ya mate 👏
Really appreciate you giving my content a chance. Thanks Steven
Sounds like the Spartan warrior school Agoge......... the loser regretfully gets brutalized for not measuring up.........
Tough love works
Joe weider loved oiling those guys up
In more ways than one.
Matty Ferrigno was one of the absolute worst fathers in history
That was pretty rough words he said to Lou at the contest. Lou could have been a great champ, but he walked away after that
@@carvedouttastone agreed 👍. If Louie had kept up with competitive bodybuilding, he could have been a multiple Mr. O particularly between 1976 to 1983, then Lee Haney would have ended his reign in 84. My favorite Ferrigno physique where he exhibited nice muscle maturity was his Hercules 1983 physique. That physique would have potentially won the Mr. O that year also. What do you think
@@cebukid70 I think if he kept going, he could have been the next Weider golden boy because he was definitely the heir apparent to Arnold. If he did the hulk and competed, he would have been a shoo-in on Hollywood credibility alone to win a few titles
@@carvedouttastoneLou would have owned bodybuilding in the 1980’s had he continued and had the right trainers and motivation.
What happened to the new video you just uploaded? It was there, then I couldn't watch it and then it was gone
Which video mate? The last one uploaded was the Tom Platz short a couple of days ago.
My dad abandoned me i got huge in prison
What's your goals now?
@@carvedouttastone to maintain
Career
4:20 arnold have said multiple times that this was a lie. It was something he heard from some other bodybuilder and said just to provoke people
Getting tired of repeating this same answer that was clearly qualified in the video. He provided three different excuses for the same accusation. Which one are you going to choose? His own long time gf said he had no interest in returning to the funeral. He's ad libbed the "bodybuilder story) - sometimes it's attributed to a boxer as damage control for the criticism he received for such a comment
Patrick Schwarzenegger should have looked more athletic in _Gen V_
Is this part 2 does not say in the heading...
Oops. Yes, good catch. Updated. Thanks for letting me know
lol! interesting!
Hey Hong. Anything in particular stand out? Thanks for commenting 🙂
@@carvedouttastone I think I've watched pumping Iron a couple of times and hear some commentary about it, but I never paid attention to the Parenting issues part of it, even though it was very apparent in the documentary, very interesting to hear you point out about it. I think within the psyche none of these abusive fathers wanted to see their son bigger and stronger than they are.
Good point. Particularly with Lou's dad. He seemed a bit jealous of Lou - operating vicariously through his son for something he couldn't achieve himself. Lou's loss represented HIS loss. And strangely, by all accounts Matty Ferrigno was pretty much in love with Arnold himself.
@@carvedouttastone what's the channel's next video/project on the horizon?
The story of Arnold not attending his fathers is false. Arnold has said a lot of things he did and said in Pumping Iron was made up to make the move more popular . If it wasn’t done he said it would have been boring . I saw Interview with Arnold himself saying the story about not attending his fathers funeral was not true. He did go to the funeral . It was made up as a lot of stories in the move was factitious. Was used to make the movie more exciting and controversial for ratings. This interview I’m sure you can find. So before putting something like this out check every single so called fact. A lot of what you say is true per Arnold but things from the movie a lot was just made up Arnold made a lot up. He admits it was a docudrama . If not it would be boring
Stories like that were difficult to prove as false back in the pre-internet days, and back in those days, who would have guessed that such a thing was going to be possible in less than twenty years? Lying, or at very least, hyperbole are easily proven now.
The story of Arnold not going to his fathers funeral is not true
@@lukedielschneider3729 do you think I might have researched that Mr Expert?
@@carvedouttastone I'm not saying I'm an expert, but if you look it up, it says on google that the story is from another bodybuilder that they added for dramatic effect. to your credit, that could still serve as evidence to support your claim, proving that not only is it Arnold and Lou who have problems with their fathers, but bodybuilders as a whole. and I've only done surface level research into this, probably not as much as you, but I thought this is something someone could easily get wrong, it being one of the more notable elements of the particular interview the clip comes from, and being a common misconception among people who've watched the movie.
@@lukedielschneider3729 believe me - I've done the research and asked the questions behind the scenes. I dont flippantly make content based on Wikipedia articles or media training based quotes from what Arnold tells people he wants to hear
His dad didn't die he stole that from another bodybuilder
Did you watch the video? His girl friend clearly stated he had no interest in going back to the funeral. He also recounted 3 different excuses - so which version of his bullshit do you want to choose from?
Arnold's dad was a Nazi? ... Just goes to show that sometimes the apple does fall from the tree.
Wait until my next video....Thanks for watching again Chuck
@@carvedouttastone No problemo.
Yes he was a based
That's why alot of bodybulders in the golden era were homosexuals. Daddy issues.
That is amazingly ignorant.
All you guys are gay ones?
All sounds very fascistic.
Some truth to that statement. Fascist leaders have historically loved co-opting fitness as a symbol for national strength and unification.
Bro I love your videos but the titles are getting very confusing, why do you have 2 different mini series called pumping iron with both having 2 or more parts? It's not clear at first glance to which video is this a part 2 to.
Hey Georgi - Yes, my girl was saying to simplify it and do away with the new video parts 1/2/3/ etc. I initially had these as one long video, but decided to split them into themes. The masculinity series made sense with the naming convention, but yeah you're right. I'll just keep these new ones as stand-alone titles. Thanks for commenting mate.