Same, but not because I'm broke, but I doubt the usefulness of anything else considering the price and the effort to get used to it. And Star Citizen is just one of the games I I play.
Yes, do a PROPER FARRISTER REVIEW though. Maybe even a short series, reviewing the pros and cons of the various control methods of playing the game, done in Farrister's style and delivery
I fly Mouse and Keyboard, because though I do have a Thrust Master T160000M FCS HOTAS, I am both lazy and lacking the confidence to set it up and do the key bindings for it.
Same here! To be honest, even when it was set up I found the keyboard/mouse setup to be more precise. I avoid combat so I’m just an everyday pilot and keyboard/mouse works fine
Footpedals on your HOTAS setup give you that 6dof flexability. I use it in Elite Dangerous to dodge asteroids in my Mamba. It's just geting over that hump of mapping controls - just like Elite lol
HOTAS over HOSAS for me. It has a lot more versatility in other games too, even Farming Simulator. Their stick and throttle really are the best in industry and with Star Citizen being a game where you need all the buttons, knobs, and switches you can get - their HOTAS really cant be beat. Also, Virpil organically pushes its products unlike VKB that goes to dirty tactics of filling comment sections, subreddits, etc with shill information. And last but not least, Virpil is made in Europe! Not China! That in itself should be a big W
I run Dual Sticks and Throttle, all Virpil. I also have a Control Panel and two 10 inch monitors for MFDs, all on a sit/standing desk. I absolutely love my setup.
I switched from keyboard to Dual Sticks + Throttle a few weeks ago, and I'm curious. How do you use yours ? I use the right stick for pitch/yaw/roll and weapons, the left for strafing and decoupling/boost/chaff, and the throttle is mostly used for cruising, right now. But it doesn't feel that comfortable.
@@TracynVomea I use my right stick same as yours, left sick I use as throttle oddly enough. The actual throttle I use as a speed limiter, extra buttons, and mining laser power. Works and feels great.
Well I have the best of both worlds, I'm lucky enough to have a complete Virpil setup with both dual sticks and a throttle, and depending on which ship I fly, I switch between them, but I mostly fly with dual sticks, maybe because I'm a racer in SC :) And congrats with your new controllers they are truly amazing, and BTW which cam's are you using the the base? I favour CosmoSim with no center :)
While I do not play Star Citizen, I own a fairly large Virpil collection that I have slowly collected over the last couple of years. I use a WarBRD/Alpha Prime on right hand, a WarBRD-D/Delta configured as an Omni throttle, a CM3 throttle, control panels 1 and 2, a Sharka control panel, and ACE rudder pedals. I clearly have a good opinion of the company.
I have HOTAS as well. I do have an left hand T16000 stick if I want to try HOSAS. I always wondered if maybe we should switch between HOSAS and HOTAS depending on what the ship actually has. You know, 'immersion'.
Have always used a hotas with strafe on thumb sticks and it works well and you are right about muscle memory and switching between Flight Sims and SC. I still want Virpils but out of my budget range for now. SC is a pain to get the a HOTAS working exactly how I would like (that reverse throttle button for example and reversing for example_
I currently use the Logitech Saitek X52 Professional H.O.T.A.S. However, I am looking to upgrade to a similar Virpil set up as you. I am really looking forward to more videos like this so I can learn how you have your controllers set up. I appreciate you sharing.
I play on a laptop and use mouse and keyboard - sometimes with the mouse precariously balanced on the arm of the sofa which is far from ideal, so I try and avoid dogfighting as much as possible! I'm mainly in a Taurus or Vulture and do OK. I'm planning on a VKB Stick and Omni throttle when I sort out a dedicated gaming PC for my office.
I have VPC dual Constellation Alpha sticks and the VPC ACE Flight pedals. I also want to add at least one VPC control panel eventually. All fantastic hardware although not living in the USA but paying with US dollars means currency conversion which adds quite a bit more to the final cost. Still, top notch hardware.
I also use this HOTAS set rather a HOSAS - I also fly sims like DCS after all. I did disable the twist and use the mini-stick for strafe up/down/left/right, and the throttle uses the cosmo-sim detents so it does forward and reverse thrust. I probably ought to use lighter springs in the grip base. One note about the mini-sticks on the stick and throttle: they are not hall sensor and subject to wearing out not unlike a PlayStation controller.
It translates well to DCS too I think. I use my trim hat for strafe up down left right, since it's kinda natural muscle memory from other sims anyway. And then the pinky paddle axis for thrusting back... I'm gonna do a more comprehensive video about my control setup I think
Ive just got myself a set on order and been trying to find others who actually use a hotas over hosas. It seems more intuitive over sticks. Not bagging on thos who use dual stick. I just want to give more then just space a tippy toe around. Im really curious on how you have yours set up and when will come from my setup when i get it in the mail.
I fly with hosas, head traker IR, and a 3df motion rig. The amount of emersion i got from just the sticks made me hungry for more so I upgraded to what have now.
I just use good ole mouse and keyboard. i tried using a hotas set up but since its such a new thing for me i just couldnt get a feel for flying like i could with mouse and keyboard.
Another great video, I really like the relaxed nature of this content. I use a a HOSAM setup but am always looking for something different to try. I've been eyeing off the 3D Connexion SpaceMouse Enterprise, it's made for CAD and 3D dev applications but after some digging in forums it sounds like it could be quite good in Star Citizen. Another plus is it's alot smaller than a joystick or throttle setup which would be nice for people with less deskspace available. I'd love to see you review the SpaceMouse and let us know your thoughts.
Great vid Farrister! and here I thought I was all alone using my Thrustmaster HOTAS one in SC 😀 and have been thinking of going for two sticks instead at some point. Would Love to have the Virpil setup, as the Thrustmaster does not have all those buttons one can programme, but again, there is also a very Big price difference between those two brands, and of course the ultimate quality that Virpil hardware is, there should of course be the price difference. But I am really looking forward to your vids on setup and bindings, as I can perhaps use some of those binding in my setup as well, to avoid using the keyboard so much. As U I am an alrounder, salvage, a bit of combat...all though i totally suck as a pilot when it comes to combat, bunkers and some mining and cargo! Cheers!
@@Farrister I can just imagine!! Been in a while ago. on the Virpil webside and have checked the components, and they look amazing, so totally looking forward for You to go in depth on your Virpil HOTAS setup 👍🏻
I prefer HOTAS over HOSAS, myself, as well. I run a VKB setup with a Gladiator and a THQ throttle quadrant on the right, and the STECS mini-plus throttle on the left. I use the THQ throttle quadrant as a makeshift collective for when I want to fly my ships in hover-mode. I have one throttle mapped to thrust limiter and the other mapped to strafe up, so I just decouple, lower the thrust limiter, and use the strafe up throttle as a collective like you would a helicopter.
I like how the controls look,but i wouldn't know since "Star Citizen" isn't in "South Africa" yet and i don't have a computer yet whey are really expensive. I only make R2000 monthly. 😅
@@Farrister i don't know im not that much of a gamer but i like watching your videos and Star Citizen doesn't have RSA (South Africa currency) yet and i don't know if Star Citizen is in South Africa 🤔 im not really sure and I'm not that big of a gamer that much
*was designed as a PC game. It would appear CIG are making quite a lot of changes to ensure that an xbox controller will be the input device of choice, which can only mean one thing.... That said, totally agree with your comments on HOTAS vs HOSAS :) I have both a stick and a throttle on the left, and use the stick for lighter ships and the throttle for heavier ones 👍
I don’t have much money to spend on setups but i did end up getting a T.Flight hotas X, does me well for pulling off ridiculous manoeuvres and adds a nice level of immersion. I wouldn’t have the level of coordination to run dual sticks
Using the same set up. I love the split throttle... setting the speed limiter on the left throttle and thrust on the right. I set the reverse as the throttle thumb button on the throttle ... and boom... never looked back. You nailed it when you said this is perfect for larger ships. I may try the dual stick for racing but I think even then I'm so used to the muscle memory of the HOTAS that I'll probably be sticking with this.
I have and am using the ''Virpil CM2 Throttle/VPC SharKa-50 Control Panel/VPC Warbird-d/F14-Stick/TM -arthog Base/F-18C/16C Sticks/TM-TMP Peddles/Honeycomb-Yoke/Throttle/Tobi'' for DCS/MSFS/XP12/Hunternet Starfighter''played on LG OLED 55/42 inch. For Star Citizen i just use KB+M. Virpil are the best imo, although Winwing are popular. All rugged and dependable, and with Virpil UK, non of that import nonsense.
VPC Alpha + VPC CM3 Throttle here. I see no reason to ever run HOSAS when I have an analog stick on my joystick for strafe usage, and when I don't give two shits about PvP. Throw in a 43" 4K monitor and the obligatory Tobii 5, and my SC experience is more than adequate.
I've tried a number of different sticks, including CH products, and VKB Gunfigher Mk iii's. And Virpils are by far are the best sticks I've ever used. I'm a HOSAS pilot so don't have any knowledge of the VPC throttle. But if it's anywhere near as good as the sticks, it's worth the money.
I switched to the t16k hosas setup very quickly after starting SC and, luckily, haven't had any problems. Just waiting for VKBs to get back in stock... Otherwise I'll go virpil right stick and maybe velocityone left. Be great to see more peripherals reviews here! Pedals, gameglass, and tobii all important to know about
I am curious, how difficult is it to adjust to a HOTAS/HOSAS setup when you never used one before? While mouse and keyboard with gameglass on the ipad pro as a MFD is mostly fine for my industrial focus and pve combat, I am certainly interested in such a setup once the game reaches 4.0 and (hopefully) becomes a lot more stable and a throttle or stick with granular control could even double as a mining laser throttle, but it's still a big investment if you want something decent. Dualstick with one omni-throttle adapter may be a good middleground between both types of setups if one can't really decide between one or the other.
I really should dust off the old Virpils and get back into SC when 3.23 finally arrives. I love the combination of the CM3 with x2 Constellation Alpha and a side-way adapter for the left stick.
I have recently reached the crossroads between two sticks, HOTAS, and HOSAM and seeing as I have a stick already, I am considering HOSAM, it would be fantastic if you could do a review on stick and mouse!
Farrister is married? Shit there went my long term plan😂. Jokes aside i played on mouse and keyboard for my first year, then got the VKB Omni throttle set up a couple months back and ive absolutely adored it. Yeah its a little cheap on the quality and definitely too small for my above average hands, but they're definitely great. If i had the extra disposable income i would definitely get Virpil instead, but im also happy with my VKB's
This is my exact setup. I used to have two VKBs in HOSAS setup, but I also prefer larger and industrial type ships where the throttle feels better and the throttle's mini joystick gives me plenty of strafe control.
I'm coming back to SC after a long break and one thing I'm dreading is setting up my controls again from fresh but with the addition of Master Modes (not heard good things about MM) it seems like starting anew may not be so bad. I am a HOTAS pilot and while ive considered a second stick in the past, I've actually come far closer to picking up a collective instead. The only reason I haven't is because my chair won't support Virpil's mounting system and it is not a cheap chair. I'd be curious to see a tour of your full flight set up.
would be interested in learning about the dual stick controls.. really never come across concept before this game and although i just got a x56, the concept interreges me. Also nhs workers remember your blue light card for 25% discounts on logitech stuff.
I am a space trucker from Elite, starting with star citizen and looking for a setup. I was really looking to keep playing with a Hotas, noce to hear it‘s possible :) These dual joystick people made me insecure 😂 But I love the feel of resting my hand on the throttle…
"other game such as DCS" SC = before take off = took elevator DCS : Just read the manual : assets.chucksguides.com/pdf/DCS%20F-16C%20Viper%20Guide.pdf Do not think having a HOTAS will give you the only strengh for read 800 pages from the manual of your only one aircraft.popcorn-yellow-striped-smile. Friendship , an old DCS player.
I enjoyed this video and also use a throttle and stick setup for my H.O.T.A.S. setup. It works well for my play style. Love the setup you were using in this video.
imop dual stick is better even for heavy ships. use decoupled mode, Its way better. Decoupled mode may be challenging at first if your not the best pilot but after some practice its so much nicer than coupled mode and you have way more control over your ship and you will move much more fluidly.
I run a thrustmaster warthog with peddels for roll. I may switch the stick for the winwing a10 stick so i can have a twist axis and ditch thee peddles. My preference is pitch and roll on the stick axis and yaw on twist but i gave it up when i got my warthog.
I use a VKB omithrottle on the left, regular VKB stick on the right, and thrustmaster pedals. it just feels more natural to me to have two sticks for space, but i gotta admit the physical throttle position feels better to hold than a stick...
used dual sticks. but because master modes killed racing, i'm not running any set up at all anymore. they are already in the basement and i get them back, once they fix the flight model in 2 or 10 years.
vkb hosas, left with the angled pat, have flown hotas, and i like both, but the hosas is just a bit more comfortable to do dogfights or low flying with imo, i feel its also more immersive than keyboard and mouse
ok i really like that you found your way of conveniance and for the most part i like it the same way. But i think i went a little further with my HoTaOaS configuration. So from left to right i have a throttle a omnithrottle and a stick. and i love it because the few times i reach to my far left for the normal throttle are no Problem at all because i only use it in Situations where i have enough time. But the Omnithrottle is a real Gamechanger for me.
@@Farrister i was unsure about it till i tried it. If you are using a base with a dry clutsh it can be used like a throttle but that is the only thing i didn't try because i still like the heavy feel of a real throttle so i use both. But that is a lot of money and i totally get that not everybody wants to spend that much.
@@Farrister Sadly not. To run multiple devices that need to share axis or assignments, you have to run with a Joystick Gremlin setup. Not a Virpil problem, its a SC problem.
I use HOTASAS. Hands on throttle and stick and stick. Using joystick gremlin, I can switch the use of my hand using the stick or throttle depending on what I'm currently doing. Soon, I'll have pedals for use with the throttle for even more control
I just recently finished setting up (physically) my Virpil stick, throttle and control panel. I have been taking my time setting it up while I wait for Master Modes to take over SC. Been mostly learning the different options I have for the controls, like using the flip switch to switch to, then fire, missiles.
I've got dual sticks, one Thrustmaster and one Gladiator. The Gladiator has the tilted stick option so it looks more like a throttle, which is what I use it for, a throttle that can strafe and do up/down. I tried two normal sticks (two Thrustmasters) but my head couldn't wrap itself around using two sticks that were the same. The Gladiator was kind of expensive, but it's the only manufacturer that I could find that did the sort of 90 degree turn on a stick.
First of all, I like to thank you Farrister for all you videos over the years! 🙏🏾 Ok, for me Star Citizen is my first sim ever, so I started with TM16000 HOTAS, but when the stick stop functioning correctly I upgraded to VPC HOSAS + peddles. I have dual z-axis extensions on joysticks and this works for me now like a dream. The only thing I missed the extra buttons and switches on my throttle… so I just order VPC control panel. Will see how that goes, but I am very happy with my HOSAS even though I am not really a combat player. Most cargo, mining, salvage and hopefully soon repair with my Crucible.
Star Citizen was such a gateway for me too lol, from an X55 HOTAS to the Warthog and now this. Also don't tempt me with that Crucible :P hope you enjoy the VPC Panel - I think it's fantastic!
I have the same stick and throttle and Control Panel 2, they are awesome. Theirs a mini-stick on the throttle that lets you essentially dual stick when used in combination with the main joystick. I use the mini-stick for vertical and horizontal strafe. I map the throttle to the speed limiter and use the thumb and palm buttons for forward and back strafe. When used in combination with cruise control this allows me to switch the throttle from a speed limiter when cruise control is off for combat, to a throttle when cruise control is on for when less precision is needed.
Really interesting - I'm still using the stick for strafe buttons, only because it feels more natural for me to use "trim" to do that. Your setup sounds intriguing though
thank you for doing this. i run the same set- up and have been frustrated with it cause there are no up to date vides on how to program virpil gear.look forward to seeing more.
I have the vkb stecs standard and gunfighter. It is a great setup that works well with Star Citizen and a must with some flightsims and WWII flight games.
Ok, so a point to keep in mind, did Virpil tell you what you could and could not say? Are your thoughts your own or something they told you to paraphrase? If you're going to accept sponsorships, be sure to be clear to your audience as to whether your opinions are your own or have been directed by the company. Only reason I mention this is that others have had this bite them in the ass, and I'd rather not see that happen to you. Nicely done, overall, and glad to see you got some new toys to play with. :)
A really good point, and the answer is no. They didn't need to see anything before publish, they didn't need to approve anything. They were confident in their products, and honestly I can see why. I didn't go too in depth in the video itself as it was more about the concept of HOTAS than a detailed review, although judging by some of the interest perhaps I should do that too!
I’ve come to like the VKB stick and Omni throttle. With the ability to pull the center spring out you can truly have the feeling of a hotas throttle without losing any of the finite movement of the hosas. It’s really cool. It’s just like having both at the same time.
I just got the omni throttle with the gladiator. Still working on my bindings. This is the first time I heard of removing the middle spring... Does that allow the x axis or FWD/REV strafing (for me) to stop anywhere on the axis?
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Mouse and keyboard since im too broke to get sticks lol
Same, but not because I'm broke, but I doubt the usefulness of anything else considering the price and the effort to get used to it. And Star Citizen is just one of the games I I play.
:D
Yes, do a PROPER FARRISTER REVIEW though. Maybe even a short series, reviewing the pros and cons of the various control methods of playing the game, done in Farrister's style and delivery
Noted!
I fly Mouse and Keyboard, because though I do have a Thrust Master T160000M FCS HOTAS, I am both lazy and lacking the confidence to set it up and do the key bindings for it.
Same here! To be honest, even when it was set up I found the keyboard/mouse setup to be more precise. I avoid combat so I’m just an everyday pilot and keyboard/mouse works fine
Whatever works for you!
Footpedals on your HOTAS setup give you that 6dof flexability. I use it in Elite Dangerous to dodge asteroids in my Mamba.
It's just geting over that hump of mapping controls - just like Elite lol
Yeah I do still have my rudder pedals
HOTAS over HOSAS for me.
It has a lot more versatility in other games too, even Farming Simulator. Their stick and throttle really are the best in industry and with Star Citizen being a game where you need all the buttons, knobs, and switches you can get - their HOTAS really cant be beat. Also, Virpil organically pushes its products unlike VKB that goes to dirty tactics of filling comment sections, subreddits, etc with shill information.
And last but not least, Virpil is made in Europe! Not China! That in itself should be a big W
I do love the HOTAS setup. I also think Stephen Fry is a wonderful human being, so kudos there!
I run Dual Sticks and Throttle, all Virpil. I also have a Control Panel and two 10 inch monitors for MFDs, all on a sit/standing desk.
I absolutely love my setup.
Oh that's awesome! When I used to fly DCS every week I had 2 mini screens attached with Cougar MFDs on them, was so helpful for workflow!
@@Farrister I'm really hoping one day they'll allow us to export our in game mfd screens to external devices.
@@photogasm5 oh gosh yes please
I switched from keyboard to Dual Sticks + Throttle a few weeks ago, and I'm curious. How do you use yours ? I use the right stick for pitch/yaw/roll and weapons, the left for strafing and decoupling/boost/chaff, and the throttle is mostly used for cruising, right now. But it doesn't feel that comfortable.
@@TracynVomea I use my right stick same as yours, left sick I use as throttle oddly enough. The actual throttle I use as a speed limiter, extra buttons, and mining laser power. Works and feels great.
Well I have the best of both worlds, I'm lucky enough to have a complete Virpil setup with both dual sticks and a throttle, and depending on which ship I fly, I switch between them, but I mostly fly with dual sticks, maybe because I'm a racer in SC :) And congrats with your new controllers they are truly amazing, and BTW which cam's are you using the the base? I favour CosmoSim with no center :)
Very fancy!!
While I do not play Star Citizen, I own a fairly large Virpil collection that I have slowly collected over the last couple of years. I use a WarBRD/Alpha Prime on right hand, a WarBRD-D/Delta configured as an Omni throttle, a CM3 throttle, control panels 1 and 2, a Sharka control panel, and ACE rudder pedals. I clearly have a good opinion of the company.
Oh wow! DCS? BMS?
I have HOTAS as well. I do have an left hand T16000 stick if I want to try HOSAS. I always wondered if maybe we should switch between HOSAS and HOTAS depending on what the ship actually has. You know, 'immersion'.
I was surprised at how many ships have HOTAS as their loadout!
Have always used a hotas with strafe on thumb sticks and it works well and you are right about muscle memory and switching between Flight Sims and SC. I still want Virpils but out of my budget range for now. SC is a pain to get the a HOTAS working exactly how I would like (that reverse throttle button for example and reversing for example_
I know what you mean - I like that this grip has an axis on the pinky, which gives nice fine control over reverse thrust!
I currently use the Logitech Saitek X52 Professional H.O.T.A.S. However, I am looking to upgrade to a similar Virpil set up as you. I am really looking forward to more videos like this so I can learn how you have your controllers set up. I appreciate you sharing.
More to follow :)
I play on a laptop and use mouse and keyboard - sometimes with the mouse precariously balanced on the arm of the sofa which is far from ideal, so I try and avoid dogfighting as much as possible! I'm mainly in a Taurus or Vulture and do OK. I'm planning on a VKB Stick and Omni throttle when I sort out a dedicated gaming PC for my office.
Thankfully my laptop days are behind me!
I have VPC dual Constellation Alpha sticks and the VPC ACE Flight pedals. I also want to add at least one VPC control panel eventually. All fantastic hardware although not living in the USA but paying with US dollars means currency conversion which adds quite a bit more to the final cost. Still, top notch hardware.
The control panel is a really fantastic addition too.
Duel Sticks VKB's NTX Omni's. Gives me a motorcycle type feel to my flight which I find more comfortable.
What do you tend to do with them in game?
I also use this HOTAS set rather a HOSAS - I also fly sims like DCS after all. I did disable the twist and use the mini-stick for strafe up/down/left/right, and the throttle uses the cosmo-sim detents so it does forward and reverse thrust. I probably ought to use lighter springs in the grip base. One note about the mini-sticks on the stick and throttle: they are not hall sensor and subject to wearing out not unlike a PlayStation controller.
It translates well to DCS too I think. I use my trim hat for strafe up down left right, since it's kinda natural muscle memory from other sims anyway. And then the pinky paddle axis for thrusting back... I'm gonna do a more comprehensive video about my control setup I think
JUST MAKE MORE SC CONTENT Farrister!!! haahaha! 🙂 It's all good!
:D
Thrustmaster T16000 and TWCS. Virpil is just out of my league, but of course I would like to have an all Virpil setup.
It's pretty awesome!
I don't know how it will be with master modes, but with the current flight system I felt like HOTAS have a place in big, sluggish ships.
Totally!
all we need now, is a company to recreate the Xi'an control interfaces. Yknow, for maximum immersion
I can just imagine lol
I use HOTAS too. Although, sometimes I miss my mouse-joystick configuration.
I have my mouse to hand, but tend not to use it whilst flying
Ive just got myself a set on order and been trying to find others who actually use a hotas over hosas. It seems more intuitive over sticks. Not bagging on thos who use dual stick. I just want to give more then just space a tippy toe around. Im really curious on how you have yours set up and when will come from my setup when i get it in the mail.
Will share more details in future - might need to rebind for 3.23!
I use 2 sticks, a throttle, peddles, and a bottom cluster.
For flexibility.
Sounds incredible!
I fly with hosas, head traker IR, and a 3df motion rig. The amount of emersion i got from just the sticks made me hungry for more so I upgraded to what have now.
Goodness!
my dream setup, im useing the Thrustmaster ts 16000 at the moment, but looking to upgrade to virpil
It has truly been wonderful to use
I just use good ole mouse and keyboard. i tried using a hotas set up but since its such a new thing for me i just couldnt get a feel for flying like i could with mouse and keyboard.
Fair enough!
I would like to fly HOSAS and Throttle. Been eyeing that Virpil throttle for a while.
Should have known you just have all the things :D
How is the control panel? Is the build quality as good as the throttle? Loved the video.
Yeah, it's fantastic. I might do another video solely on it in future, but it really adds a lot to the experience
Is the aim with HOSAS or HOTAS to never touch the keyboard?
It's my aim! Everything needed within arms reach. But the moment I pop out of the pilots chair, it's back to M&K
I think people sleep on the HoSaM setup. Best part is it's basically half of the price!
I think control scheme is a very personal choice, whatever works for you!
I have dual Virpil sticks but am considering the throttle attachment.
The Z-extension? That looks really cool!
I am still slumming it with kb and mouse. They look really nice though.
Whatever works for you!
Another great video, I really like the relaxed nature of this content.
I use a a HOSAM setup but am always looking for something different to try. I've been eyeing off the 3D Connexion SpaceMouse Enterprise, it's made for CAD and 3D dev applications but after some digging in forums it sounds like it could be quite good in Star Citizen. Another plus is it's alot smaller than a joystick or throttle setup which would be nice for people with less deskspace available.
I'd love to see you review the SpaceMouse and let us know your thoughts.
Intriguing! Have you seen Noobifiers channel? Great for hardware reviews, although I don't remember if they covered the SpaceMouse
@@Farrister I have and i've now messaged him too, he said he'd "take a look". Fingers crossed he likes it enough to do a review. :)
Great vid Farrister! and here I thought I was all alone using my Thrustmaster HOTAS one in SC 😀 and have been thinking of going for two sticks instead at some point. Would Love to have the Virpil setup, as the Thrustmaster does not have all those buttons one can programme, but again, there is also a very Big price difference between those two brands, and of course the ultimate quality that Virpil hardware is, there should of course be the price difference. But I am really looking forward to your vids on setup and bindings, as I can perhaps use some of those binding in my setup as well, to avoid using the keyboard so much. As U I am an alrounder, salvage, a bit of combat...all though i totally suck as a pilot when it comes to combat, bunkers and some mining and cargo! Cheers!
Thanks, stay tuned! I also moved from Thrustmaster HOTAS to this, and it's a noticeable step up!
@@Farrister I can just imagine!! Been in a while ago. on the Virpil webside and have checked the components, and they look amazing, so totally looking forward for You to go in depth on your Virpil HOTAS setup 👍🏻
I prefer HOTAS over HOSAS, myself, as well. I run a VKB setup with a Gladiator and a THQ throttle quadrant on the right, and the STECS mini-plus throttle on the left. I use the THQ throttle quadrant as a makeshift collective for when I want to fly my ships in hover-mode. I have one throttle mapped to thrust limiter and the other mapped to strafe up, so I just decouple, lower the thrust limiter, and use the strafe up throttle as a collective like you would a helicopter.
I like the idea of the makeshift collective
@@Farrister I think I may make a video about it for the few citizens like me that miss hover mode, lol.
I like how the controls look,but i wouldn't know since "Star Citizen" isn't in "South Africa" yet and i don't have a computer yet whey are really expensive. I only make R2000 monthly. 😅
I would have thought Star Citizen was very much in South Africa!
@@Farrister i don't know im not that much of a gamer but i like watching your videos and Star Citizen doesn't have RSA (South Africa currency) yet and i don't know if Star Citizen is in South Africa 🤔 im not really sure and I'm not that big of a gamer that much
*was designed as a PC game. It would appear CIG are making quite a lot of changes to ensure that an xbox controller will be the input device of choice, which can only mean one thing.... That said, totally agree with your comments on HOTAS vs HOSAS :) I have both a stick and a throttle on the left, and use the stick for lighter ships and the throttle for heavier ones 👍
I'm still ol KB+M but would love to see more information on this.
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Dear santa claus....
Kinda felt like Christmas morning when the boxes arrived!
Congratulations on the setup! They’re truly a transformative change, 100% adding that immersion.
Thank you, I'm loving it so far!
I don’t have much money to spend on setups but i did end up getting a T.Flight hotas X, does me well for pulling off ridiculous manoeuvres and adds a nice level of immersion. I wouldn’t have the level of coordination to run dual sticks
Nice to have some physical hardware!
@@Farrister indeed, it maybe rather cheap and feel a little delicate, but it gets the job done.
Using the same set up.
I love the split throttle... setting the speed limiter on the left throttle and thrust on the right. I set the reverse as the throttle thumb button on the throttle ... and boom... never looked back.
You nailed it when you said this is perfect for larger ships. I may try the dual stick for racing but I think even then I'm so used to the muscle memory of the HOTAS that I'll probably be sticking with this.
That muscle memory will get you every time :D
Before moving, I was using two VKB Glagiator NXT with the Omni throttle extension on the left. Now they're in a storage unit until further notice, 😢
Hope you can rescue them from storage jail asap! Sorry to hear about your loss... :( Run 2 vkb glads and a t-rudder... love the setup!
Get them out of storage!!
I have and am using the ''Virpil CM2 Throttle/VPC SharKa-50 Control Panel/VPC Warbird-d/F14-Stick/TM -arthog Base/F-18C/16C Sticks/TM-TMP Peddles/Honeycomb-Yoke/Throttle/Tobi'' for DCS/MSFS/XP12/Hunternet Starfighter''played on LG OLED 55/42 inch. For Star Citizen i just use KB+M. Virpil are the best imo, although Winwing are popular. All rugged and dependable, and with Virpil UK, non of that import nonsense.
Thanks
Why don't you set a virtual button on the axe forward at 80-100% it could be great
Your boy is broke so I'm rocking the classic HOMAK setup.
Hands on mouse and keyboard.
VPC Alpha + VPC CM3 Throttle here. I see no reason to ever run HOSAS when I have an analog stick on my joystick for strafe usage, and when I don't give two shits about PvP.
Throw in a 43" 4K monitor and the obligatory Tobii 5, and my SC experience is more than adequate.
I've tried a number of different sticks, including CH products, and VKB Gunfigher Mk iii's. And Virpils are by far are the best sticks I've ever used. I'm a HOSAS pilot so don't have any knowledge of the VPC throttle. But if it's anywhere near as good as the sticks, it's worth the money.
I switched to the t16k hosas setup very quickly after starting SC and, luckily, haven't had any problems. Just waiting for VKBs to get back in stock... Otherwise I'll go virpil right stick and maybe velocityone left. Be great to see more peripherals reviews here! Pedals, gameglass, and tobii all important to know about
I am curious, how difficult is it to adjust to a HOTAS/HOSAS setup when you never used one before? While mouse and keyboard with gameglass on the ipad pro as a MFD is mostly fine for my industrial focus and pve combat, I am certainly interested in such a setup once the game reaches 4.0 and (hopefully) becomes a lot more stable and a throttle or stick with granular control could even double as a mining laser throttle, but it's still a big investment if you want something decent. Dualstick with one omni-throttle adapter may be a good middleground between both types of setups if one can't really decide between one or the other.
I really should dust off the old Virpils and get back into SC when 3.23 finally arrives. I love the combination of the CM3 with x2 Constellation Alpha and a side-way adapter for the left stick.
I have recently reached the crossroads between two sticks, HOTAS, and HOSAM and seeing as I have a stick already, I am considering HOSAM, it would be fantastic if you could do a review on stick and mouse!
Farrister is married? Shit there went my long term plan😂.
Jokes aside i played on mouse and keyboard for my first year, then got the VKB Omni throttle set up a couple months back and ive absolutely adored it. Yeah its a little cheap on the quality and definitely too small for my above average hands, but they're definitely great. If i had the extra disposable income i would definitely get Virpil instead, but im also happy with my VKB's
This is my exact setup. I used to have two VKBs in HOSAS setup, but I also prefer larger and industrial type ships where the throttle feels better and the throttle's mini joystick gives me plenty of strafe control.
I'm coming back to SC after a long break and one thing I'm dreading is setting up my controls again from fresh but with the addition of Master Modes (not heard good things about MM) it seems like starting anew may not be so bad.
I am a HOTAS pilot and while ive considered a second stick in the past, I've actually come far closer to picking up a collective instead. The only reason I haven't is because my chair won't support Virpil's mounting system and it is not a cheap chair.
I'd be curious to see a tour of your full flight set up.
would be interested in learning about the dual stick controls.. really never come across concept before this game and although i just got a x56, the concept interreges me.
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I am a space trucker from Elite, starting with star citizen and looking for a setup. I was really looking to keep playing with a Hotas, noce to hear it‘s possible :) These dual joystick people made me insecure 😂 But I love the feel of resting my hand on the throttle…
That set-up looks great. I hope to upgrade from my T16000M Hotas to a Virpil set-up at some point but the additional cost is difficult to justify.
I have a Virpil HOTAS and love it. I pair it with a set of vkb pedals and I am good to go in Star Citizen and other games such as DCS.
"other game such as DCS"
SC = before take off = took elevator
DCS : Just read the manual : assets.chucksguides.com/pdf/DCS%20F-16C%20Viper%20Guide.pdf
Do not think having a HOTAS will give you the only strengh for read 800 pages from the manual of your only one aircraft.popcorn-yellow-striped-smile.
Friendship , an old DCS player.
I do love the HOTAS!
@@Farrister you are a dictator ahah. sorry for my taunt. You can delete again my message ^^
I enjoyed this video and also use a throttle and stick setup for my H.O.T.A.S. setup. It works well for my play style. Love the setup you were using in this video.
My setup for Star Citizen is Stick and Throttle plus control panels #1 and #2 and pedals. All Virpil
imop dual stick is better even for heavy ships. use decoupled mode, Its way better. Decoupled mode may be challenging at first if your not the best pilot but after some practice its so much nicer than coupled mode and you have way more control over your ship and you will move much more fluidly.
I really should pull the trigger on a HOTAS/HOSAS set up. I've been putting it off for far too long.
I run a thrustmaster warthog with peddels for roll. I may switch the stick for the winwing a10 stick so i can have a twist axis and ditch thee peddles. My preference is pitch and roll on the stick axis and yaw on twist but i gave it up when i got my warthog.
I use a VKB omithrottle on the left, regular VKB stick on the right, and thrustmaster pedals. it just feels more natural to me to have two sticks for space, but i gotta admit the physical throttle position feels better to hold than a stick...
used dual sticks. but because master modes killed racing, i'm not running any set up at all anymore. they are already in the basement and i get them back, once they fix the flight model in 2 or 10 years.
vkb hosas, left with the angled pat, have flown hotas, and i like both, but the hosas is just a bit more comfortable to do dogfights or low flying with imo, i feel its also more immersive than keyboard and mouse
I'm left handed so HOTAS doesn't really work for me since I have yet to see a reversed setup.
i would really like a up coming review
OK!
had my dual constellation Alphas for a year, LOVE them
Me too, plus pedals and gas throttle. Absolutely love it. Premium stuff. I enjoy Star Citizen and other games at another level ❤.
Enjoying mine too!
I use to use HotasX and then got the X52 pro. I'm waiting to get Virpil.
I came from Hotas and went hosas, i sometimes miss a propper throttle, it feels better for industial work.
ok i really like that you found your way of conveniance and for the most part i like it the same way. But i think i went a little further with my HoTaOaS configuration. So from left to right i have a throttle a omnithrottle and a stick. and i love it because the few times i reach to my far left for the normal throttle are no Problem at all because i only use it in Situations where i have enough time. But the Omnithrottle is a real Gamechanger for me.
I was sorely tempted by the Omni Throttle...
@@Farrister i was unsure about it till i tried it. If you are using a base with a dry clutsh it can be used like a throttle but that is the only thing i didn't try because i still like the heavy feel of a real throttle so i use both. But that is a lot of money and i totally get that not everybody wants to spend that much.
I am rocking a full Virpil HOTASAS setup - just wish SC settings were more capable
So fancy! The Virpil software helps bridge the gap, I think
@@Farrister Sadly not. To run multiple devices that need to share axis or assignments, you have to run with a Joystick Gremlin setup. Not a Virpil problem, its a SC problem.
I use HOTASAS. Hands on throttle and stick and stick. Using joystick gremlin, I can switch the use of my hand using the stick or throttle depending on what I'm currently doing. Soon, I'll have pedals for use with the throttle for even more control
Very fancy!
Yes, gear reviews please.
Excited about the prospect :)
I just recently finished setting up (physically) my Virpil stick, throttle and control panel. I have been taking my time setting it up while I wait for Master Modes to take over SC. Been mostly learning the different options I have for the controls, like using the flip switch to switch to, then fire, missiles.
So much customisability, especially with the software too. I'm gonna have to re-do a lot for 3.23, I think
I've got dual sticks, one Thrustmaster and one Gladiator. The Gladiator has the tilted stick option so it looks more like a throttle, which is what I use it for, a throttle that can strafe and do up/down.
I tried two normal sticks (two Thrustmasters) but my head couldn't wrap itself around using two sticks that were the same. The Gladiator was kind of expensive, but it's the only manufacturer that I could find that did the sort of 90 degree turn on a stick.
How do you find the omni throttle? I had been seriously considering it!
First of all, I like to thank you Farrister for all you videos over the years! 🙏🏾
Ok, for me Star Citizen is my first sim ever, so I started with TM16000 HOTAS, but when the stick stop functioning correctly I upgraded to VPC HOSAS + peddles. I have dual z-axis extensions on joysticks and this works for me now like a dream. The only thing I missed the extra buttons and switches on my throttle… so I just order VPC control panel. Will see how that goes, but I am very happy with my HOSAS even though I am not really a combat player. Most cargo, mining, salvage and hopefully soon repair with my Crucible.
Star Citizen was such a gateway for me too lol, from an X55 HOTAS to the Warthog and now this. Also don't tempt me with that Crucible :P hope you enjoy the VPC Panel - I think it's fantastic!
As someone with the same setup, who also tends to fly larger ships, I ADORE my virpil hotas setup. Worth the investment.
It's a great way to fly!
I have the same stick and throttle and Control Panel 2, they are awesome.
Theirs a mini-stick on the throttle that lets you essentially dual stick when used in combination with the main joystick.
I use the mini-stick for vertical and horizontal strafe.
I map the throttle to the speed limiter and use the thumb and palm buttons for forward and back strafe.
When used in combination with cruise control this allows me to switch the throttle from a speed limiter when cruise control is off for combat, to a throttle when cruise control is on for when less precision is needed.
Really interesting - I'm still using the stick for strafe buttons, only because it feels more natural for me to use "trim" to do that. Your setup sounds intriguing though
thank you for doing this. i run the same set- up and have been frustrated with it cause there are no up to date vides on how to program virpil gear.look forward to seeing more.
Have you checked out Noobifier?
mouse & keyboard
Impressive!
@@Farrister Not so impressiv when you check my pilot skills
I have the vkb stecs standard and gunfighter. It is a great setup that works well with Star Citizen and a must with some flightsims and WWII flight games.
Oooh what flight sims?
@Farrister I am dabbling in MSFS 2020 and IL2. But most of my free time, i am just free flying in SC.
I like the sick and throttle. For me, it makes the game feel a lot better.
For me too
Ok, so a point to keep in mind, did Virpil tell you what you could and could not say? Are your thoughts your own or something they told you to paraphrase? If you're going to accept sponsorships, be sure to be clear to your audience as to whether your opinions are your own or have been directed by the company. Only reason I mention this is that others have had this bite them in the ass, and I'd rather not see that happen to you. Nicely done, overall, and glad to see you got some new toys to play with. :)
A really good point, and the answer is no. They didn't need to see anything before publish, they didn't need to approve anything. They were confident in their products, and honestly I can see why. I didn't go too in depth in the video itself as it was more about the concept of HOTAS than a detailed review, although judging by some of the interest perhaps I should do that too!
Yes please, and that bindings video would interest me greatly, personally. @@Farrister
Awesome setup. I would love to see a full in-depth review of the various bits!
I’ve come to like the VKB stick and Omni throttle. With the ability to pull the center spring out you can truly have the feeling of a hotas throttle without losing any of the finite movement of the hosas. It’s really cool. It’s just like having both at the same time.
The omni throttle was tempting...
@@Farrister definitely try it out if you get the chance. Something I’ve grown to love with this game.
I just got the omni throttle with the gladiator. Still working on my bindings. This is the first time I heard of removing the middle spring... Does that allow the x axis or FWD/REV strafing (for me) to stop anywhere on the axis?