I've seen alot of people in the comments debating if this was an original design by Billy or a Zero skateboards shirt. Although I don't have any definitive concrete proof I do know this, Billy started wearing this shirt in 1995 (Bullet With Butterfly Wings video, Mellon Collie CD booklet, Reading Festival in August), and according to every site I found regarding zero skateboards, the company wasn't founded until 1996, one year later.
Zero was a clothing company created by Jamie Thomas before Zero skateboards were around. There was even an advertisement for Zero in a Toy Machine video before JT left and started making boards under the Zero brand. I’m not 100% sure if his shirt is by Jamie Thomas’ Zero although I was always under the impression it was due to the design and colour. Zero skateboards starting after he wore the shirt is irrelevant because there was a clothing company called zero being started by the same people who went on to do boards at that time.
@@thomasbaines585 Like I said, I don't have any concrete proof one way or another, but I can not find anything on google that suggests the Jamie Thomas Zero brand pre-dates 1996. If you could link me to a video or a website that shows the Zero Clothing brand was around pre-1995 I'll happily take that into consideration. I'm always open to new information.
My only point was that Zero Skateboards was not the start of the Zero brand. The design/font and use of a star is that of the skateboard company Zero. It’s been a minute since I saw it but I think JT talks about it in a podcast called “The 9 Club”
@@thomasbaines585 I tried searching "Jamie Thomas Zero Clothing" and all the results were still pointing to 1996. From what I can tell, the clothing company WAS around before the skateboard company, but it was still in 1996. "In 1995, Jamie joined Toy Machine, a small skateboarding company. During his time with them, he attempted the dangerous "Leap of Faith" at Point Loma High School in San Diego. It is from this jump that the Leap of Faith gap in School II of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 originated. In 1996, Thomas opened up a small clothing company which would later become Zero Skateboards." If you or anyone could post a timestamp in that "The Nine Club" interview where Jamie mentions the origin of Zero Clothing/Skateboards it would be much appreciated.
m.th-cam.com/video/hc5AlRTTNx0/w-d-xo.html It’s a 3 1/2 hour podcast so I can’t timestamp. Hopefully that will contain some information a google search can’t deliver. Even if it’s not got any definitive proof (honestly don’t remember exactly what was said) it should go in more detail of Zero’s origins or at the very least entertain.
Very interesting. A guy at a pizza place gave me a free slice because he liked my zero hoodie. It was the skateboard brand but I was also a huge sp fan. I hope he's doing ok
Long haired Billy and shaved head Billy were both a cool look, it's short haired Billy that always struck me as weird. He looks so strange in the Cherub Rock and Today videos.
@@LarsRyeJeppesen Exactly. He was wearing the zero shirt before he shaved his head and was even wearing it with hair in the Mellon Collie cd booklet thing.
@@ryline666 Grunge is a musical (and cultural) scene from Seattle most during the early 90's. It has its time and space peculiarity, so Smashing Pumpkins was never a grunge band, they were just contemporary of the scene (and beacuse of that have a lot of similarities, but they are not grunge).
I still have mine from 2.05.97. It was my first concert. I ended up on this video after some reminiscing since Fountains of Wayne's bassist just died from Covid today and they were the opening band that night. RIP Adam.
Because he’s the reason the band broke up originally he did everything but the drums and didn’t listen to the other members input and the reason Darcy wretsky is mentally ill
Corgan's a hardworking genius but also a musical auteur who's notoriously unsentimental towards his bandmates and childishly petty when other people attempt to collaborate with him. He recorded every string track on Siamese Dream himself because he didn't think James and D'arcy were taking it seriously enough, and "I could do their parts better and faster anyway". The only reason it wasn't a solo album in all but name was because Billy didn't know how to play drums, so instead he just browbeat Jimmy constantly and made him do hundreds of takes until his hands bled. For the entire life of the band Billy was constantly mad and disappointed in the other 3 Pumpkins, and he'd say so publicly when anybody asked in an interview. His relationship with D'arcy and Jimmy was especially bad, and it did neither of them any good at all to have Angry Dad Billy constantly reminding them they weren't measuring up. Lots of bands have domineering lead singers but I'm amazed neither of them quit the band after Siamese Dream. The money must have been astonishingly good.
Skateboard company started in 1996, the video for bullet with butterfly wings where he wore it was released in 1995, obviously recorded before it was released.
For the record, I was around in the 1990's. Billy dropped Bullet With Butterfly Wings music video wearing the Zero shirt. The Zero skateboards were heavily influenced by Billy and Smashing Pumpkins, and Smashing Pumpkins at the time was the "heaviest" band when you look at the underground as Smashing Pumpkins were the first band that became that famous but also being more well known to young kids, i.e skateboarders in the 1990s
i was heavily influenced by Corgan's Zero. i wore the long sleeve proudly. alot of my songs have to do with feeling like nothing. like i don't exist. one of my favorite pumpkin's lines: "come save me from the awful sound of nothing"
@@xanakinskywoker1817 96/97 yeah to be fair I didn't think of how early Billy was wearing the shirts I honestly thought they were from Zero Skateboards lol
I absolutely love Billy - always have. And not because of his appearance, it's because of his music. I can listen to SP all day everyday and never get tired of it. (As far as "looks" personally I don't think Billy is a bad-looking guy at all.)
do you listen to anything after "melon collie?" i love those first four albums, but it seems like the magic waned afterwards...it happens to everybpdy that has a long career...
I remember seeing Aeropostale's Aero shirts... I mean, express yourself how you feel. Billy was angry and he wanted to state it, so he wore the Zero shirt. Good for him for speaking out.
I think thats the more likely explanation. Infact Billy's explanation doesn't make too much sense since he was wearing the Zero shirt months before he shaved his head.
I'm a total ZERO That was the nickname given to me shortly after my older brother was killed on his bike back in 79 or 1980 I intentionally blocked out two years of my life as a survival method. But I can so really relate to feeling like a ZERO, and never being good enough, or look good enough. Not even mediocre in life. And now at the age of my late quarter of 47 years old, I still can't shed my hallowed soul or rotten mind. This has even fucked up my wife and two sons. Like I've always said, "It should have been me, not my gifted and talented brother.
I can definitely relate to your story, man. I'm twenty years younger than you, but I feel the same things you do (or did). I know it's not much, but just know that you are not alone. Believe in yourself and love yourself. Love your family too (obviously). I'm sending you a big hug :)
@@youreallygotmenow4855 Hey 👋 thank you very much!!! I am very lucky to have a wife, two grown boys, two beautiful granddaughters, and a mother that would walk the world for me that love me unconditionally. And I love them, but loving myself????????? IDK let's just say I'm tolerating myself, but working on it. Me not working because of the "RONA" has me all messed up. See I live in Vegas and I drive a limo for a living and Vegas isn't anywhere close yet to getting back to speed, there aren't many tourists that need black car service, so here I sit. Anyways I don't know if you celebrate Christmas, but if you do I hope you have a wonderful time. Thanks again sending prayers to you and yours. Sincerely, ZERO702
I always thought he shaved his head because he was going bald. Thank god he felt like making this point or he would have looked horrendous with a skullet.
Billy kinda reminds me of Bill Burr at times. A lil bit facially and also in their cadence when they get annoyed. Corgan is less fiery and loud than Burr tho 😂
*Ok guys! Zero and Zero is diff. but the team zero skateboarding love smashing pumpkin too thats why they wear it and when you see or search it the zero(billy and zero(thomas) have diff font and logo billy got plain zero font and star and thomas zero got creepy font and a skull logo*
@@SickDaddy SoloSkateMag.com has an interesting article with Jamie Thomas about the history of ZERO. It actually came from another company he was involved with. It was just coincidental.
We can see the lack of stubble on top, Billy. Just be honest. A year earlier, a reporter asked Michael Stipe why he shaved his head, and he said, "my hairline is receding." Nobody thought any less of him for it.
Billy Corgan shaved his head coz he was told he wasn't attractive? what! he was the prettiest dude around then! I remember clearly all the girls in my year all going on about him - kind of the first real pin-up grunge dude. Which is not to say the cobain, cornell and veder weren't pretty boys as well, but they just weren't really treated this way (maybe it was the slightly glam thing the pumpkins played up to .. .god knows)
i wasnt alive in the 90s but im a huge smashing pumpkins fan and i think billy before he was bald was really cute and attractive(esp with long hair) i always wondered if girls my age in the 90s thought he was cute this finally answers my questions😂😂
@@silverfck Ha, yeah, I just assumed he shaved his head to kind of 'stop' the pretty boy association, so it wouldn't override the music. God knows, or maybe he was just moving with the times; when that kind of 'the Matrix/weirdo' look which was starting to happen around then (compared to the cardigan op-shop looking grunge lot) esp with the more industrial metal bands like Marilyn Manson, 9 inch nails and ministry ... and carried on with some of nu-metal bands 5 or 6 years later. Funny really coz the pumpkins album with 'rhinoceros' on it was released the same time as never-mind (nirvana), but it wasn't really a hit (I used to hear it on college radio mainly. loved it! ) unlike nirvana, pearl jam etc. Siamese dream was a different story 2 or 3 years later (massive hit). So it kind of seemed at the time like they came out later; post grunge or whatever.
Thought for sure all these years it was an early Zero Skateboards shirt from when Zero was just a clothing brand and Jamie Thomas was still on Toy Machine. But nope.
That is what the shirt was, but he wore it for his own personal meaning. He then made it his iconic signature shirt and later got the copyright from Zero Skateboards so he could sell it as Smashing Pumpkins merch.
I have a giant birthmark on my arm too like ginormous, it goes up my whole entire arm and I would get the same things as billy. That’s all. Just wanted to share.
The one he wore was long sleeve shirt, not a t. I am actually looking for a one with the original metallic sliver fonts, as even the SP store has white fonts.
Billy never thought he has no value. He means he did feel good enough at times. It would be great to be tall to any small kid right? He looks fine - now Howard didn't look so fine as a kid he was tall and goofy but he had humor. I guess it makes a great story and has some truth. Who doesn't feel out of place and put down? Well probably a lot but when you have the talent Billy has your life is good. And he looks good bald but I still want to see him with his natural hair. Do you think Nickelback cares that most don't like them? Success makes up for a lot, there is success privilege, looks privilege, intelligence privilege, Charisma priv. etc but there is not much importance on Kindness Priv, Gentle Priv or Sensitivity Priv. These people are not appreciated in part because so few peo9ple are like them
I know The Smashing Pumpkins bought the rights for the shirt from the skateboard company. I've always thought he was a good looking guy, and wouldn't turn down the opportunity to be 6 foot 3
@@angeleliofthefamilydiaz1226 People with marfan's syndrome also usually grow to be very tall but have very low testosterone, so they usually need to take injections to have normal levels.
Strange that people said Billy Corgan was too unattractive. I'm not into men but he has the charisma of a massive artist. I've never once thought the guy looks ugly or anything like that, either. He's got his own style going on and he's confident with it. Sure he was losing hair and he shaved it all off but I don't think that really took anything away from his looks. Shame on the music industry for telling anyone they aren't "attractive enough" to sell records. If the music is good it's gonna sell. I'm tired of the pop music industry constantly regurgitating the same formula over and over again: an overly attractive and sexual person given beats to sing over (possibly with autotune) and music that transcends unoriginality and somehow finds a higher level of it than what we can actually perceive. It's more about looks and sexiness than the actual music to them.
I was the unlucky recipient of a huge birthmark on my left leg when I was at school in the 1970s and the derogatory comments i was subjected to where shocking to say the least but still got it and now it's a talking point that's totally fine by me
The 90’s were all about self depreciation. The record companies tried to sell image over the music. It’s no wonder why you get Radiohead singing “But I’m a creep”, Nirvana singing “I’m so ugly”, and Beck singing “I’m a loser.”
Sub Pop Records also sold “ LOSER” t-shirts in the ‘90s. And Nirvana had songs called “I Hate Myself And Want To Die,” “Rape Me,” “Negative Creep,” & “Dumb.” Something in the water up in Seattle that makes people loathe themselves and become deranged commies... No wonder they frequently turn to heroin. Have to admit they had the best music of any city in the ‘90s, though. Manchester would be my pick for best musical city of the ‘80s.
This is a pretty good observation about that time and how they were marketing However, i think it was a real symbol of how it felt to be a teenager anywhere Soundgarden had many songs that depicted lack of self worth as did Alice In Chains The real essence of the times were being exploited thru these bands yes. And it was cool to be depressed which itself had a consequence
Birthmark on arm? (Googles Billy Corgan Birthmark) Sees only recent photos of it. (Googles older pictures) He wears nothing but long sleeves! How have I not noticed this???
Gilbert Arenas and Russell Westbrook wore #0 in the NBA to motivate themselves to prove their detractors wrong. (RW recently changed his # after being traded to GA’s old team.)
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I've seen alot of people in the comments debating if this was an original design by Billy or a Zero skateboards shirt. Although I don't have any definitive concrete proof I do know this, Billy started wearing this shirt in 1995 (Bullet With Butterfly Wings video, Mellon Collie CD booklet, Reading Festival in August), and according to every site I found regarding zero skateboards, the company wasn't founded until 1996, one year later.
Zero was a clothing company created by Jamie Thomas before Zero skateboards were around. There was even an advertisement for Zero in a Toy Machine video before JT left and started making boards under the Zero brand. I’m not 100% sure if his shirt is by Jamie Thomas’ Zero although I was always under the impression it was due to the design and colour. Zero skateboards starting after he wore the shirt is irrelevant because there was a clothing company called zero being started by the same people who went on to do boards at that time.
@@thomasbaines585 Like I said, I don't have any concrete proof one way or another, but I can not find anything on google that suggests the Jamie Thomas Zero brand pre-dates 1996. If you could link me to a video or a website that shows the Zero Clothing brand was around pre-1995 I'll happily take that into consideration. I'm always open to new information.
My only point was that Zero Skateboards was not the start of the Zero brand. The design/font and use of a star is that of the skateboard company Zero. It’s been a minute since I saw it but I think JT talks about it in a podcast called “The 9 Club”
@@thomasbaines585 I tried searching "Jamie Thomas Zero Clothing" and all the results were still pointing to 1996. From what I can tell, the clothing company WAS around before the skateboard company, but it was still in 1996.
"In 1995, Jamie joined Toy Machine, a small skateboarding company. During his time with them, he attempted the dangerous "Leap of Faith" at Point Loma High School in San Diego. It is from this jump that the Leap of Faith gap in School II of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 originated. In 1996, Thomas opened up a small clothing company which would later become Zero Skateboards."
If you or anyone could post a timestamp in that "The Nine Club" interview where Jamie mentions the origin of Zero Clothing/Skateboards it would be much appreciated.
m.th-cam.com/video/hc5AlRTTNx0/w-d-xo.html
It’s a 3 1/2 hour podcast so I can’t timestamp. Hopefully that will contain some information a google search can’t deliver. Even if it’s not got any definitive proof (honestly don’t remember exactly what was said) it should go in more detail of Zero’s origins or at the very least entertain.
I thought he was very handsome I can’t believe people said that to him.
Those who did never cared about his music or band in the first place. so fuck em.
+Bekkah Jennah it's just the record label thinking he wasn't good looking enough
Kids can be cruel, it's a fact of life, get over it.
I always thought he was hot! I love his smile!
I know!!!
Very interesting. A guy at a pizza place gave me a free slice because he liked my zero hoodie. It was the skateboard brand but I was also a huge sp fan. I hope he's doing ok
i’m getting the sp zero hoodie tomorrow and a zero beanie😈😈😈😈😈
I’m doing well. Hope you are also still rockin!
The world is a vampire
His was the skateboard brand too, at least originally.
Jesus! For the first time ever I just wanna hug Billy and give him my favorite hot wheels car or something!
What's your favorite hot wheels?
@TROPICAL SUMMER!! Do you have any rock solid proof?
Matthew Chastain I forgot ...Apparently I’m suffering from dementia.
But seriously my favorite is The General Lee ..No not because of the confederate flag ..because I grew up watching The Dukes of Hazzard.
@@jasonwhite7452 Dodge Charger 1969??? Great Car ❤
He's been bald for so long that haired Billy doesnt even seems real
Even weirder when you see long hair Billy from the Gish era.
Even weirder when you realise that you're not real
Long haired Billy and shaved head Billy were both a cool look, it's short haired Billy that always struck me as weird. He looks so strange in the Cherub Rock and Today videos.
He shaved because he went bald fast. Nothing to do with his "explanation"
@@LarsRyeJeppesen Exactly. He was wearing the zero shirt before he shaved his head and was even wearing it with hair in the Mellon Collie cd booklet thing.
I always thought Billy was the most gorgeous of all the grunge rockers of the 90s.
He wasn't a grunge rocker, though. They were more alternative than grunge.
@@crackawood i believe vedder stomps all of them :)
What's a grunge?
@@ryline666 Grunge is a musical (and cultural) scene from Seattle most during the early 90's. It has its time and space peculiarity, so Smashing Pumpkins was never a grunge band, they were just contemporary of the scene (and beacuse of that have a lot of similarities, but they are not grunge).
He's so beautiful.
Zero is one of the best songs on that record. Epic live as well
I had a Zero tee back in the day.
I still have mine from 2.05.97. It was my first concert. I ended up on this video after some reminiscing since Fountains of Wayne's bassist just died from Covid today and they were the opening band that night. RIP Adam.
twitter.com/SmashingPumpkin/status/1284241768637247488?s=20
I still have mine!
We all do. We are..
Went to a SP concert for the first time last year and i bought one
"He acts the hero, we paint a zero on his hand" Sonic Youth, Teenage Riot, 1988.
Idk why people act like Billy Corgan is some egotistical asshole. He always seems so down to earth and just speaks from the heart
Because he’s the reason the band broke up originally he did everything but the drums and didn’t listen to the other members input and the reason Darcy wretsky is mentally ill
I used to work at Reverb, when he came in for his EHX OP Muff release he wore a cloak and no one could look at him when he walked in the office lol
He threatened to punch a fan in the face simply because he walked on stage. That’s why.
Corgan's a hardworking genius but also a musical auteur who's notoriously unsentimental towards his bandmates and childishly petty when other people attempt to collaborate with him.
He recorded every string track on Siamese Dream himself because he didn't think James and D'arcy were taking it seriously enough, and "I could do their parts better and faster anyway". The only reason it wasn't a solo album in all but name was because Billy didn't know how to play drums, so instead he just browbeat Jimmy constantly and made him do hundreds of takes until his hands bled.
For the entire life of the band Billy was constantly mad and disappointed in the other 3 Pumpkins, and he'd say so publicly when anybody asked in an interview. His relationship with D'arcy and Jimmy was especially bad, and it did neither of them any good at all to have Angry Dad Billy constantly reminding them they weren't measuring up.
Lots of bands have domineering lead singers but I'm amazed neither of them quit the band after Siamese Dream. The money must have been astonishingly good.
He's very empathic. His ego is him defending himself
*My reflection, dirty mirror*
*There's no connection to myself*
*I'm your lover, I'm your zero*
*I'm the face in your dreams of glass...*
So save your prayers
For when yer really gonna need em
Fun fact: Zero is also a skate company.
Thank you, by none other than the great Jamie Thomas.
Thier boards last a lifetime
But is his t-shirt from the brand?
@Teh Modest Mouse not unless they had a time machine since the company was started after billy Corgan wore the shirt.
Skateboard company started in 1996, the video for bullet with butterfly wings where he wore it was released in 1995, obviously recorded before it was released.
I had this shirt too and still wear it!!! I Love Billy Corgan! ⭐⭐
I saw Billy corgan last year, at the Sawyer hotel, right before his show.
Great story.
For the record, I was around in the 1990's.
Billy dropped Bullet With Butterfly Wings music video wearing the Zero shirt.
The Zero skateboards were heavily influenced by Billy and Smashing Pumpkins, and Smashing Pumpkins at the time was the "heaviest" band when you look at the underground as Smashing Pumpkins were the first band that became that famous but also being more well known to young kids, i.e skateboarders in the 1990s
i was heavily influenced by Corgan's Zero. i wore the long sleeve proudly.
alot of my songs have to do with feeling like nothing. like i don't exist.
one of my favorite pumpkin's lines: "come save me from the awful sound of nothing"
Every rock song meaning according to Howard: Drug addiction.
absolute fucking legend
He’s always been super attractive in my mind. Billy fan for life!
Who told billy he wasn’t attractive enough.
they better catch these hands fr.
Average people are ugly to the industry because the industry is so out of touch with reality.
fr he was always attractive to me
@@everydayuseemail849 I ain't even gon lie tho dat boy Billy got mad squabbles I seen him chunk em a few times an dat boy got handz!
Amazing
No shout out to Zero Skateboards?
Chief!
lol that's what i clicked to see but it might be a different shirt
He was wearing that shirt in early 1995 im pretty sure zero came out some time around 1997 or 1999
@@xanakinskywoker1817 96/97 yeah to be fair I didn't think of how early Billy was wearing the shirts I honestly thought they were from Zero Skateboards lol
@@xanakinskywoker1817 hmm who knows lol maybe Jamie Thomas was a fan of his 😂🤷🏾♂️
I had this shirt in 1996, got asked all the time where I got it. People loved this shirt
So where did you get it?
A “Zero“ means also absolut ballanced .
people give zero such a negative reputation when in fact it is neither positive nor negative.
@@matthutt7697 Haha, good one. :) Zero is one of the best numbers. There is a Numberphile video on YT explaining the unique properties of zero. :)
Greatest Band Ever!!
I absolutely love Billy - always have. And not because of his appearance, it's because of his music. I can listen to SP all day everyday and never get tired of it. (As far as "looks" personally I don't think Billy is a bad-looking guy at all.)
do you listen to anything after "melon collie?" i love those first four albums, but it seems like the magic waned afterwards...it happens to everybpdy that has a long career...
Weird, because I think he’s very attractive.
I really like his voice
More power to you, Billy.
Guy is a damn genius
Hey Kanye wanna know what a real rock God is... William Patrick Corgan
What? they don't even make remotely the same music, let alone "rock" lol
@@Ryan-iv5fr i say that because Kanye has called him self a rock god
@@jnsaudio81 kanye as much as i love the guy is narcissistic af
I remember seeing Aeropostale's Aero shirts... I mean, express yourself how you feel. Billy was angry and he wanted to state it, so he wore the Zero shirt. Good for him for speaking out.
Even if he WAS thinning on top, Billy still looks better with hair IMHO!
Billy was so cute in the 90s, I can't believe said that about him. 😢
I fucking love "Zero", one of my favorite off mellon collie.
He shaved his head because he was going bald.
I think thats the more likely explanation. Infact Billy's explanation doesn't make too much sense since he was wearing the Zero shirt months before he shaved his head.
Could be both reasons but his hair looked pretty thick before the shave
@@Rxz5526 actually in pictures during the recording of MCIS you could see it was thinning.
@@Rxz5526 No it was thinning noticeably by 1995
Rockstars don't like to admit they are balding. Look at how The Edge and Steve Van Zandt still cover their heads.
But baldness fits Billy.
billy, te amo para siempre
I'm a total ZERO
That was the nickname given to me shortly after my older brother was killed on his bike back in 79 or 1980 I intentionally blocked out two years of my life as a survival method. But I can so really relate to feeling like a ZERO, and never being good enough, or look good enough. Not even mediocre in life. And now at the age of my late quarter of 47 years old, I still can't shed my hallowed soul or rotten mind. This has even fucked up my wife and two sons. Like I've always said, "It should have been me, not my gifted and talented brother.
I can definitely relate to your story, man.
I'm twenty years younger than you, but I feel the same things you do (or did).
I know it's not much, but just know that you are not alone.
Believe in yourself and love yourself. Love your family too (obviously).
I'm sending you a big hug :)
@@youreallygotmenow4855 Hey 👋 thank you very much!!! I am very lucky to have a wife, two grown boys, two beautiful granddaughters, and a mother that would walk the world for me that love me unconditionally. And I love them, but loving myself????????? IDK let's just say I'm tolerating myself, but working on it.
Me not working because of the
"RONA" has me all messed up. See I live in Vegas and I drive a limo for a living and Vegas isn't anywhere close yet to getting back to speed, there aren't many tourists that need black car service, so here I sit. Anyways I don't know if you celebrate Christmas, but if you do I hope you have a wonderful time. Thanks again sending prayers to you and yours.
Sincerely,
ZERO702
@@vitron01 keep blasting the pumpkins!! Happy holidays!!
You are hear for a reason my friend. Embrace that and live your best life. Thanks for sharing your story.
Your open heart and honesty prove you are no Zero. I really wish you all the happiness in the world for the 2nd half of your life buddy.
Coolest riff🤘. Got me into the Pumpkins.
I can't believe people didn't find him attractive. He's a very handsome man!
😂 Plus, he's lying. And his story about shaving his head is a lie, too. He shaved his head because he was going bald! 👩🦲💀
Everyone has the two voices Billy. One is an angel and the other is the devil
Far more basic and wrong version of what Billy said but ok
"Zero the Hero" - Black Sabbath 1983
Love this 💜
I didn't know about the birthmark.
If you look closely his left hand has a reddish colour
You can see it in this clip at about 40secs
He shows it on the cover photo of TheFutureEmbrace, look it up. And his first band was called The Mark because of his and a bandmate’s birthmarks.
"It's merch"
wow awesome
Let's face it, he shaved his head cos he was going bald, not because someone was mean to him in kindergarten.
I think he took things the hard way because he wasn't ugly nor did he have to shave his hair.
He was going bald. If he werent, he wouldve grown it back years ago
I always thought he shaved his head because he was going bald. Thank god he felt like making this point or he would have looked horrendous with a skullet.
Thats how I feel tbh
Billy kinda reminds me of Bill Burr at times. A lil bit facially and also in their cadence when they get annoyed.
Corgan is less fiery and loud than Burr tho 😂
Who isn't? LOL. Burr is awesome but the Mt. Vesuvious of pent up rage that doesn't always stay pent.
There’s a skateboard company called zero. Written in the same exact font. I always thought it was that
Kohl's And HotTopic Needs The Smashing Pumpkins Zero T-shirts
I was at that show at the Cabaret Metro when Billy just shaved his head. My GF at the time was like "Whaaaaaaaa"
damn, guess i gotta go buy a Zero shirt
Nothing wrong with just saying "yeah I was going bald so I just said fuck it and decided to shave my head and be done with it".
*Ok guys! Zero and Zero is diff. but the team zero skateboarding love smashing pumpkin too thats why they wear it and when you see or search it the zero(billy and zero(thomas) have diff font and logo billy got plain zero font and star and thomas zero got creepy font and a skull logo*
the zero is in the middle of the cross hairs. the zero is in the middle of the graph. he's the center of everything. that's how I took it at the time.
He's Beautiful bald with hair it doesn't matter 💜
Off to listen to Stumbeline
I think he's awesome! He is most attractive..
i had the tshirt in ‘95 🖤🖤
Stern hates his listeners.
as a skater i used to have zero tees. its funny to see billy make them popular and now worth hundreds on ebay lol
He wore it a year before the company started, so he must have had a time machine. The skate company ripped him off, not the other way around.
@@SickDaddy SoloSkateMag.com has an interesting article with Jamie Thomas about the history of ZERO. It actually came from another company he was involved with. It was just coincidental.
I always thought it was the zero skateboarding logo, thought Billy was just trying to look gnarly
lol same
They said he wasn’t attractive! He was pre-baldness lol
We can see the lack of stubble on top, Billy. Just be honest. A year earlier, a reporter asked Michael Stipe why he shaved his head, and he said, "my hairline is receding." Nobody thought any less of him for it.
Billy Corgan shaved his head coz he was told he wasn't attractive? what! he was the prettiest dude around then! I remember clearly all the girls in my year all going on about him - kind of the first real pin-up grunge dude. Which is not to say the cobain, cornell and veder weren't pretty boys as well, but they just weren't really treated this way (maybe it was the slightly glam thing the pumpkins played up to .. .god knows)
i wasnt alive in the 90s but im a huge smashing pumpkins fan and i think billy before he was bald was really cute and attractive(esp with long hair) i always wondered if girls my age in the 90s thought he was cute this finally answers my questions😂😂
@@silverfck Ha, yeah, I just assumed he shaved his head to kind of 'stop' the pretty boy association, so it wouldn't override the music. God knows, or maybe he was just moving with the times; when that kind of 'the Matrix/weirdo' look which was starting to happen around then (compared to the cardigan op-shop looking grunge lot) esp with the more industrial metal bands like Marilyn Manson, 9 inch nails and ministry ... and carried on with some of nu-metal bands 5 or 6 years later. Funny really coz the pumpkins album with 'rhinoceros' on it was released the same time as never-mind (nirvana), but it wasn't really a hit (I used to hear it on college radio mainly. loved it! ) unlike nirvana, pearl jam etc. Siamese dream was a different story 2 or 3 years later (massive hit). So it kind of seemed at the time like they came out later; post grunge or whatever.
How can a KING think he's nothing ???? 🤔
Lol, he says he shaved his head, as if it was some sort of choice. His hair was thinning out FAST
I always just thought that was the skate brand zero and he wore it because it’s cool lol didn’t think it was that deep
It is and it was. He changes the story often lol
@@analogsignal how the fuck is it a shirt from the skateboard brand when Billy wore it a year before the company was even founded?
Source, I live it.
The skate company actually ripped it off because the band didn't trademark the shirt at the time.
Thought for sure all these years it was an early Zero Skateboards shirt from when Zero was just a clothing brand and Jamie Thomas was still on Toy Machine. But nope.
That is what the shirt was, but he wore it for his own personal meaning. He then made it his iconic signature shirt and later got the copyright from Zero Skateboards so he could sell it as Smashing Pumpkins merch.
But yep. You were right all this time.
Corgan clearly stole this shirt idea from Borderlands 2. I think that video game came out before he was born or something
I wore the hell out of that shirt as a teen
Welp, now we know.
I have a giant birthmark on my arm too like ginormous, it goes up my whole entire arm and I would get the same things as billy. That’s all. Just wanted to share.
The one he wore was long sleeve shirt, not a t. I am actually looking for a one with the original metallic sliver fonts, as even the SP store has white fonts.
Billy never thought he has no value. He means he did feel good enough at times. It would be great to be tall to any small kid right? He looks fine - now Howard didn't look so fine as a kid he was tall and goofy but he had humor. I guess it makes a great story and has some truth. Who doesn't feel out of place and put down? Well probably a lot but when you have the talent Billy has your life is good. And he looks good bald but I still want to see him with his natural hair. Do you think Nickelback cares that most don't like them? Success makes up for a lot, there is success privilege, looks privilege, intelligence privilege, Charisma priv. etc but there is not much importance on Kindness Priv, Gentle Priv or Sensitivity Priv. These people are not appreciated in part because so few peo9ple are like them
Zero is a skateboard brand
When Billy had hair.
I saw him live when he did.
What a shame.
Lol
zero skateboards came out around the same time with similar branding
I know The Smashing Pumpkins bought the rights for the shirt from the skateboard company. I've always thought he was a good looking guy, and wouldn't turn down the opportunity to be 6 foot 3
twitter.com/SmashingPumpkin/status/1284241768637247488?s=20
Billy Corgan is rumored to be a eunuch
@@angeleliofthefamilydiaz1226 People with marfan's syndrome also usually grow to be very tall but have very low testosterone, so they usually need to take injections to have normal levels.
Strange that people said Billy Corgan was too unattractive. I'm not into men but he has the charisma of a massive artist. I've never once thought the guy looks ugly or anything like that, either. He's got his own style going on and he's confident with it. Sure he was losing hair and he shaved it all off but I don't think that really took anything away from his looks.
Shame on the music industry for telling anyone they aren't "attractive enough" to sell records. If the music is good it's gonna sell. I'm tired of the pop music industry constantly regurgitating the same formula over and over again: an overly attractive and sexual person given beats to sing over (possibly with autotune) and music that transcends unoriginality and somehow finds a higher level of it than what we can actually perceive. It's more about looks and sexiness than the actual music to them.
Zero the amount Impact Wrestling is worth today
He looks like sinead o'connor
I was the unlucky recipient of a huge birthmark on my left leg when I was at school in the 1970s and the derogatory comments
i was subjected to where shocking to say the least but still got it and now it's a talking point that's totally fine by me
The 90’s were all about self depreciation. The record companies tried to sell image over the music. It’s no wonder why you get Radiohead singing “But I’m a creep”, Nirvana singing “I’m so ugly”, and Beck singing “I’m a loser.”
So true. For Gen X it was better to fail than to sell out.
Sub Pop Records also sold “ LOSER” t-shirts in the ‘90s. And Nirvana had songs called “I Hate Myself And Want To Die,” “Rape Me,” “Negative Creep,” & “Dumb.” Something in the water up in Seattle that makes people loathe themselves and become deranged commies... No wonder they frequently turn to heroin. Have to admit they had the best music of any city in the ‘90s, though. Manchester would be my pick for best musical city of the ‘80s.
Or maybe they were just depressed?
This is a pretty good observation about that time and how they were marketing However, i think it was a real symbol of how it felt to be a teenager anywhere Soundgarden had many songs that depicted lack of self worth as did Alice In Chains The real essence of the times were being exploited thru these bands yes. And it was cool to be depressed which itself had a consequence
Billy was going bald at an early age , shaving his head was the right choice.
I have a zero hoodie i wear at work i work in refrigiration. Some people recognize it most dont.
I always thought billy looked like Ethan hawke
Pobrecito Billy 🥺
Since I first saw this picture when I was 7 years old I've always wondered wtf is he standing in front of? Solar panels or mirrors?
Apparently it was taken at a solar power plant in the Mojave Desert.
@@obscuredsatellitesinflight6034 thanks big dawg
He mentions split personality .. that's SP .. just saying.
Birthmark on arm?
(Googles Billy Corgan Birthmark)
Sees only recent photos of it.
(Googles older pictures)
He wears nothing but long sleeves! How have I not noticed this???
It was digitized out often times. One the cover of his solo album though he shows it.
Slayyy
Until now I never knew why Billy was bald. Thumbs ☝
DRG What's the truth? He was losing his hair
I though the ZERO t shirt he was wearing was the Skateboard brand, I was wrong all this time.
Wait are you serious?
So, we must say doing a Billy Corgan instead of doing a Britney Spears
Gilbert Arenas and Russell Westbrook wore #0 in the NBA to motivate themselves to prove their detractors wrong. (RW recently changed his # after being traded to GA’s old team.)
My cousin used to have a zero shirt.
Like Lennon, Collins, and Winehouse his speaking voice is different from his singing voice.