Tbh the message from Toms political rap LITERALLY effects my kids future and beyond and not enough people are aware of the silent war that’s happening. What Tom does is bigger than just music
His message might be important, but he doesn't genuinely believe any of it. He says what is going to trend, and plays on people's emotions about all these political issues to get a fan base. *shrug* He plays his fans like a fiddle to become famous.
Tom makes really bad rap music. Thats it. Period. Nothing else matters. Keep music as music and keep the politics to a fiar minimum, its fine here and there but it being the only thing he raps about makes him corny, and obviously he doesnt care about hip hop.
@@TheBibleIsaWeirdThing lol when you prove you don’t know what your taking about off rip I can’t take shit serious bout you… Toms biggest critics atleast admit he CAN rap
@@ThrobbinWilliams22 He can "rap" sure, depending on your opinion of rapping. But objectively, he can't make good music to save his life. 😭 Lyrics are corny and dumb, he is just an Eminem clone, a very bad one at that. NF is a way better Eminem clone than Tom and NF isn't really my cup of tea either.
Lmfao with your two likes? Bro you would have opened for no one then 😂 Would have been an empty stadium since only you and and syrup sipper know about it
He's not attacking Tom because of that. He's calling him out for his gimmicky hypocrisy. I'm sure it made Ryan feel some sort of way for him saying guys guys were gonna put country rap on the map. Especially since he already said. "I'm not country rap, I don't drive a truck, I don't chew tobacco, get the Chevy stuck in feet of mud. He's calling him out too for being a lying hypocrite poser who's all image. Needless to say , I like both Tom and Ryan but upchurch does have a point. He's a gimmick stealing chameleon who cares more about making money and talking the talk.. but not walking the walk.
@xytronitro9429 YEP!! I totally agree!! And @artevann7060 You might be right about Upchurch thinking or feeling a kind of way about MacDonald’s songs or statements…. But right now we’re talking about why he chose to make & release this diss track RIGHT NOW…. Instead of a while back, or in a while from now. This creates drama, and drama creates buzz& hype. And you want as much buzz & hype as you can possibly get right before you drop a new album!!
@scottbushman9050 are you sure? Because it was recently that Tom said "guys we're gonna put country rap on the map". How can Ryan react before Tom made the statement? Like I said, I'm not taking anything away from Tom, I thoroughly enjoy him voicing his opinions on issues and a lot of them need to be addressed, so I'm all for it. Just saying, I can see why Ryan believes his toes were stepped on and decided to say "I'm already here bruh, stick to your own lane and don't be a hypocrite."
@@artevann7060 Ok yeah, I have no problem agreeing with you on that point. I guess I didn’t know Tom said that about “putting country rap on the map” or whatever/however he said it…. Cuz that totally makes sense, and I’d probably be a little pissed too if I was Upchurch & I heard Tom say that shit!! But it’s still like the PERFECT TIME for him to drop that diss track and get the buzz factor way up, right before his new album drops haha.
Upchurch saying "Please respond Tom, PLEASE, because I have a new album coming out, with CDs now, just like you, and my views are WAY down over the last few years... So Please, PLEASE TOM HELP ME SELL MY STUFF!"
@@jasonrichardson1999 not lately. He's been on a downward swing for years. Last big hit was Holler Boys 5 years ago. Take Church's last 10 Official music videos and add up the total views = a little over 7 million or so. Tom's last 10 Official music videos total views = 86 million. Church is great, but he is definitely on a downward trajectory. While Toms is all up. Thus, the fake beef. Maybe if Ryan quit with murder mysteries and secret knowledge and nonstop drama videos and focused on music....
So I like Tom & Church but if I had to pick one I would choose Tom because he's actually waking people up. What he's doing is actually working. Church and other right wing conservative rappers can call him a fence rider sure whatever. Yes he's a centerist rapper that leans right on some issues but that is the exact type of rapper that is going to get through to the other side or people with rational thought/common sense that's just been mislead by the media. Left wing rappers are in an echo chamber and so are right wing rappers. There's a reason why leftists that hate both Upchurch & Tom are embedded in Creek right now cheering on Upchurch. They want to destroy Tom then Upchurch will go back into his echo chamber they don't need Upchurch destroyed his art isn't as much of a threat to them. Our country is going off the rails right now and I'll take whatever help we can get. I don't think Tom is grifting he's too well researched in my opinion to not believe in what he's rapping. But even if it was a grift I wouldn't care because it is helping and working. I also go back to Adam Calhoun in my mind I don't question his patriotism and love of his country. He's spent the most time with Tom and loves him like a brother, wouldn't he see through that shxt? It would be fun if he responds I don't know if he will or not. I will say I lost a little respect for Church when he pulled a leftist MSM move on that reactor FTB.
He's hard core right and spins a specific narrative. The irony is waking people but hating on anyone "woke". Sad that his immature songs are about the same extreme views on both sides and not on a focus to meet any where in the middle or compromise. That is how you know Tom is full of it. All he is doing is stirring the pot for controversy to make a buck off a manipulated uninformed audience. Upchurch is genuine and can see through the fake glamor Tom presents and what he attempts to represent, modern suburban Trump crypto bros who eat up the Daily Wire, think Joe Rogan is a genius, and believe Prager U is the penicle of modern intellect.
@@theskeptik1 Lol you just want "Tom being a grifter" to be true. But that's not what I said at all. I said I feel like he is too well researched to not believe in what he's rapping but if it turned out he was a grifter I wouldn't care because what he's doing is working. I just want a better future for my 5 year old son. I appreciate whatever help off the non critical thinking crazy train we're on.
Wtf are you talking about Tom IS the definition of a ECHO chamber. Wayne and Em will colab with one anther, both are on different political sides, but put their political aside and will put out the best hits. There's a lot of left learning artist that'll collaborate with right leaning artist.
Hahaha as you can see by the responses to me leftists are embedded in Creek. One of Upchurch's complaints is that Tom is a fence rider if you notice they're saying Tom is far right. Hope you're noticing who's screaming next to you creeksquad. 😂
For all of the Tom lovers in here look up Dear Tom by Topher. I’ve been with Tom since he dropped Whiteboy. And he was rapping like a liberal. Anti police. Didn’t like Trump. But then Topher dropped The Patriot. Out of nowhere Tom became a Christian conservative. Topher noticed and called him out.
@coreyeichelberger2516 not beating church? Interesting. Guessing y'all have forgotten what Tom did to Mac lethal...either way, Tom doesn't have to compete with church bc they're in different leagues. Tom is in the majors playing with worldwide billboard number ones. Church is still riding the pine in the minors trying to curtail on Tom's success bc church can't do it himself. I pride myself on knowing and listening to a wide array of music across all decades and genres and if it weren't for folks posting these reactions I would have forgotten church even existed. But that's not the point. Tom released Don't look down for a reason and all church is doing is showing why. Nuff said.
@coreyeichelberger2516 weren't comparing church to mac lethal. It was a showcase of what Tom can do, even way back then without hardly trying. If you didn't understand that than maybe you aren't qualified to be in this discussion...
Toms rapping about real life shit that actually matters. Things that need to be said and provoking conversations that need to be had. Like the content of his lyrics or not it’s still rap and he still kills it. I like both these guys I just don’t agree with the angle Church is taking it. Just seems stalker and petty. He’s living rent free in Churches head and it would appear that Tom has t given it thought. No Response pretty much covers all of it.
No its a point of view. Tom's songs are relevant yes but they are relevant only for the next 10 yrs. After that most will not be to viewable. Listen to what Upchurch is actually saying. He is daring Tom to do more timeless stuff about who TOM IS. To whit White Boys I like the song BUT Adam is rapping about Adam stuff. Who is Tom rapping about? Not Tom stuff. At the time I thought it was weird but shrugged it off cause it is a fun song.
I dont think Tom needs to respond because Ryan already did,"Tom MacDonald is alot smarter than most people give him credit for, you know why hes smart ,he reads and stays to himself,if someone is talking about Tom then TOM IS WINNING" Ryan Upchurch
Dude if you even think that Tom is as talented or even close to Ryan talent level then your already lost and you need to see a dr for your he trauma cause it’s not close at all. Not only is Ryan killing Tom he’s also killing Adam and the other stooge he’s beating all three of you 3 stooges in a song he isn’t even having to try and if you want to get respect then just quit and stop and admit to defeat guys.
@@tonybackwardsspellsy-not6104 go tell who and who said what I didn’t see this till just now. Tom is no where near even in the same conversation as upchurch
Black Pegusus actually held a show on one of Toms Tours and they brought Tom in and he brought Nova with him. He talks about it in the Gang Gang reactiion.
Tom toured Europe with Cool Keith and Onyx back in the day, and he hasn't toured since C19 because of Nova. His last tour was 2019 with Struggle, and then a tour with FIR was canceled. Has Ryan ever toured Europe? Nope. There's a tour video of Tom performing Helluvit on his channel. He's talked about going on tour, but I think they may be waiting til Nova finishes her album, which should be soon. People seem to forget that Tom produces his own stuff, plus he just produced those 2 albums with Adam AND he also produces Nova's stuff. Ryan has far more time on his hands as he only writes lyrics. Tom does it all, including signing CDs, which Ryan doesn't do. Ryan pokes at Tom for being a homebody, but the dude works 24/7! How is that a dig when you have Ryan playing with lightbulbs 😅 as he criticizes a man who actually works and spends his free time with Nova and family? It's crazy! Maybe Ryan should worry more about his own career and worry less about the careers of others. He only did 2 shows in 2022, so who is he to talk when he's only just now going on tour for the first time in 2 years? And i think he's going to cancel his tour for 'health' reasons. Always love your reactions, Cliff. I just can't stand Ryan now, and I used to be a fan.
Sooo he's mad because Tom is doing things better than him and more successful or whatever and basically invaded Ryan's safe space? ... That's some weak ass Karen type shit...
How tf does Tom have beef with Mac lethal on Twitter, rap battle him with music videos, proclaim victory and not defend it when someone who can actually rap and beef shows up expecting the same energy.... I'm starting to see how hypocritical Tom is and the fake wall upchurch is pointing out. The fact he didn't respond to upchurch after he made the Mac lethal beef so theatrical and bragged how he wasn't even trying.... tried to show his rapping skill..... sounded like he was behind on the beat.... he gets absolutely obliterated by church and nothing?! Optimus prime in this mutha.....hand of ghost is real.... fuck...
I can say Tom MacDonald used to tour, I remember getting emails telling me to get tickets. But that has been awhile since I've gotten one. Now it's mostly when a video is dropping and asking me to download on iTunes like everyone uses iTunes. I like both Upchurch and Tom MacDonald but I feel like Upchurch is having some jealousy with Tom MacDonald. Just seeing Tom blow up then a short time later a Upchurch releases a diss track.
@@llo9491 yeah she came back like a beast i forget which video it was for i think it was dont look down. I dont get the hate for his choice to put her health first i guess a healthy relationship confuses people
@@CrippledMenace a lot of times people just want to hate and find small things to hate on, quite often it's at someone who is doing great. But song that popped into mind when she really went off was No Good Bastards with Tom and Brandon Hart.
Just weird timing. The issues started months ago. Little things like upchurch pulling traveler and the other tom songs off his channel tipped people off. Theres no jealousy here. Church is above Tom and he knows it. Toms also a grifter though. Hes not actually about hiphop and is only in the game to make a bag off stupid people while political tensions are hot. The dude hasnt opened his mouth in years without trying to beg for merch sales in the same breath.
People that think all Tom does is political songs obviously haven't bought a CD or all the songs that he doesn't drop on TH-cam. Because he has a ton of non political stuff. And he doesn't tour because Novas health problems
holy crap cliff where'd all these subs come from?? you used to be my favorite small-time reactor now you're my favorite big-time reactor ;D great work my guy
@michaelpleasant8416 if it's #1 it means millions of people disagree with your "it's shit" opinion. Seriously, it's so sad that Upchurch and his incel fans are mad and rambling for no actual reason.
Tom and nova both toured but after covid they haven't toured since. No va has serious respiratory problems.so it wasnt safe for her to tour. they're hoping to tour this summer
I'm just here for the comments 😅 people getting all pissed over two guys, who are at the top of their game in their separate lanes, that don't give a single sh*t about you or me 🤣 it's like politics really- they're in it to make money period... Just my 2¢ 🤷
Upchurch feeling attention deprived.....hysterical he be needing McDonald to get him some.....Bravo Tom for ignoring his bs and not giving him a millisecond of attention.
The way Upchuck has ben ranting on instagram got me kinda worried for his health, he rants and goes off on random youtubers and reactions while taking clips out of content, I swear he abt to do some Benzino shit
I haven't read ALL comments on IG or even on YT for that matter, so I'm not sure if anyone has pointed out this fact - if you look closely, his pupils are EXTREMELY dilated on ALL those IG videos. There are certain things that cause this. I've got my own theory, but I'll let y'all do your own research. Although, to me, it pretty much confirms what many people have already strongly suggested.
Tom's fan boys are legit losing it. You try to say Upchurch is on drugs so what if he is. Last time I checked he is grown man. You can't stand that Tom is getting smoked by Upchurch
I'm a tom fan and was a Upchurch fan until his last diss . I do understand the diss thing between artists but when he used the N word I was done after that .
Tom did a song with an actual country artist also who lives in the south but in no way did Tom acted like he lived it... I cant even. Church done said about 100 reasons and they all reaches.
@@VIOLENTxLJx big and rich have toured all around the world and been around for 20+ years Upchurch hasn’t toured anywhere but the US just because you’ve never heard of them doesn’t mean the rest of the world hasn’t
@@VIOLENTxLJx even if that's true why the hell does that matter? So you have to be the most popular country artist to be country that makes absolutely no sense lol. Nice try though.
Tom toured prior to the pandemic. He was supposed to go on tour with Falling in Reverse in November of 2019 but the guitarist of FIR passed away, so the tour got canceled. But yes tom has toured but with novas health they have taken it easy on touring.
His tours was bars and not venues like Upchurch. Tom is running scared. Tom was censoring to Upchurch comments. Ryan Upchurch exposed Tom McDonald. Also Tom lied on a podcast and said nobody is on doing it on his level. That's a lie. Like I will say many times...I don't pay any attention to the Tom deepthroaters. They are betas who say the same stuff over and over like their phony pony Hannah Montana Tom does in his music. They are hogtards. Tom only wish he could be as talented as Upchurch. Tom is too busy looking up licking the basketballs of Upchurch's SEO Upchurch has multiple records that went gold and platinum and he tours and competes...Tom has no gold records or platinum records. Tom doesn't compete or sell out shows on tour. Tom has to use Upchurch's SEO. Upchurch doesn't beg people to buy merchandise and also Hannah Montana Tom buys views. 😂😂😂Lol. He also has a husband in law. Haha. Might as well throw that in there. He's a industry plant posing as a independent artist. Upchurch is speaking facts and that's the bottom line. Tom has to look up to Upchurch. But Tom hides his eyes. 😂😂😂😂😂Upchurch is not someone to mess with when it comes to rap battle. Now that's the facts. 🎉 IBlackfeet Nation Creeksquad Holla girl
Who cares about the touring..this is just strawman..TM most likely makes most of his money on merch..also, the political angle....TM is brave for using his platform to make difference..Up is starting to sound like a Democrat Party Prostitute...
It's because of Ryan Upchurch that I started listening to Tom years ago. I have a lot of respect for him but what he's doing is an attention grab. His career leveled off and he's trying to restart it. It almost work but when he dropped his 1st dis, Tom's song hit #1 in the world, a feat Upchurch most likely will never see. Now he's trying again because the hype is done from Tom's song but it just feels like he became Hillbilly Karen at this point. It's sad to see him fall like this but that's life sometimes.
Hahahahahaha Upchurch has almost a billion more views, with a million less subs. Church has multiple gold and platinums. What's tom have? When was the last time your old lady put on your Tom Macdonald playlist , to roll around in the sheets to?😅😅😅
Upchurch doesn't need an attention grab, that's his entire point. He basically retired because he had done everything he wanted. He came back because he saw a poser using hastags, politics and clickbait to make himself popular. That's why Tom switched from anti hip hop to anti woke. Anti hip hop wasn't working. Lifted his entire image and style then has the audacity to criticize others for the exact same thing he is doing.
Tom literally has lines in his music referring to this nonsense. "I exist outside the Internet, done shows around the world...". Pretty sure you've even reacted to it, Cliff. C'mon. I hope Tom doesn't respond. This is just highlighting how desperate and immature, Ryan is at this point. I used to love his music and message, too.
You can look up Tom's tour history and there's not a single show in that archive that says he's ever performed overseas. You do realize rappers say shit all the time that isn't true, right? 2018-2019, every show is in the States.
Oh dear someone doesn't understand battle rap and is in their feelings 🙄. This is battle rap its an art its not deep. If you don't get it you're not a real rap fan 🤷♀️
Upchurch is really pathetic he needs viewers more than I thought this really makes no sense and why because he is angry that Tom made two albums with Adam and not with him seriously wow
Church trying to rap truth while keeping tight knees so we can't see he pissed his panies everytime he thinks he went hard. Tom goes hard attacking the enemies that attack America's people and church tries to go hard attacking a fellow rapper. Oh, okay. Tom is GOAT makes more on physical copies not needing to tour. He did tour with Nova by the way in the beginning.
@MikeWhoo-gy5jq You can actually buy tickets online for his shows. And, People who are Upchurch fans know he tours regularly. I honestly don't care if Tom tours or not. I remember he use to. But that his his choice.
Upchurch must not know literally any of Tom's non political music. Pretty obvious, for someone "so smart," didn't do any actual research. I really like Ryan's older catalog, but this shit makes no sense
Most people don't because they don't listen to any of his c Ds because because that's where most of his music that isn't political is on they Only see what's on TH-cam and there is some non political on TH-cam
Tom raps about things he is interested in and he’s told everybody he’s interested in politics. Plus everybody knows Tom has many different genres and does whatever he wants. He doesn’t give a shit what Upchurch is saying.
Tom only makes music about what his niche audience cares about and that's facts. The majority of Tom's fan base doesn't even like hip hop or rap, so Tom responding really doesn't make any sense.
His girlfriend is married to a industry guy. Tom doesn't get citizenship because he would have to pay taxes. Pyramid scheme. Upchurch knows him personally. It's gonna get worse.
@@424stormygirl No he didn't. His archive shows he has done zero shows overseas. The only tours the concert archive shows is 18/19. Dear Rappers came out in 2018 and before that, he had NO audience. He was broke. He sure as shit didn't tour overseas when he didn't have a single song anyone liked or heard of.
Not taking sides here. Listen to both. But if church is king of the south then why would it matter if tom came in his “lane”? Not to mention the song tom was on with church that he deleted off his site. Would have shown a little more confidence if he would’ve left it up. Just my opinion.
@@YOSHI450R Yep. Tom has been saying some redneck shit since he teamed up with ACal and it's as fake as can be. Tom is a liberal living in LA, talking about rednecks and guns is just pandering to a demographic. It's ok, that's capitalisms, but it's still fake as shit. I still like it though.
@@tierneylogan5943 dude church deleted it because back when church was a little more rational he even admitted multiple times that Tom killed him and struggle on that song 😂😂😂😂 Church can't have that up 😂😂😂
Up Church has some nice flows and sound also he seems a crazy funny expressive dude. The line , You got Merc with an ink pen, had me 😂😂😂😂 keep up the awesome content Cliff 🤜🏻
It really is a shame that so many people are misjudging Tom and getting caught up on the surface items, failing to look deeper into the meaning. Yes, Tom needs to stand out to grab people’s attention, but I personally enjoy his outgoing fun personality. People get caught up on this and miss the bigger picture - I can say on my life that God is using Tom Macdonald to spread His messages of unity and getting His people to open their eyes to the injustices being done by the “system” and powers that be. While Tom also has his own messages and sarcasm added in, there are definitely songs that came directly from God. I saw and felt it the first time I heard Tom. I pray in Jesus’ name for him to stay strong through all the criticism and misunderstanding, and also for everyone else to let go of the hate and instead join the movement to share constructive information with the world to help all mankind through whatever avenue/platform available to us. @TomMacDonaldOfficial
Tom is a satanist and has said so in his music with his own words. I’m a Christian and i can’t get down with that and Nova with the upside down crosses. OPEN YALLS EYES!!!
This is the dumbest beef ever.. upchurch is barking up the wrong tree...this is why. We here are all gor indie music.. so we know church and tom, and samson and struggle and brodnax and adam and falling in reverse. And knox and loza and who ever.. we know them we hear them we follow the shorts and support and buy merch etc etc... so when we hear the disses... none of them gonna hit hard. I'm sorry chur he's disses seem weak. The em flow was cool. But say tom is a em freak, hog tat, concert seo bots ..who cares.. we know why. We know why ren is in canada.. we know why Sam signed a deal.. we know all these guys .. so if tom makes fun of church's mom, his houses, money, merch store, any nonsesne that church went thru.. we went thru it.. so we defend it.. same with tom.. we know why rom don't tour.. we heard the whining about his hig tat and cross and all the stupid things calling him ugly gay.. nova ghost wirtes.. blah blah weak weak weak.. tom doesn't have to respond cuz creeksquad knows the answers, we all know tom is Canadian. We know he buys advertising..to me. If tom wanted to be a bully church has alot more to make fun off.. but again what's the point.. its a fake beef. If there was a real squabble..cool. but its all bait.. church wants to battle tom, cool present it like king of the dot .. or make it a cypher.. something.. but this approach is lame. Church looks liek a clout chaser or jealous of Adam and tom friendship. Lol. Idk. Just my outlook. Knox and benzino makes sense.. we against mainstream so we back knox.. same with ren and gotta. We know ren.. not dotta.. so we know tom and church.. its lame. If its on a joke type thing then yes.. but thats like adam and tom now beefing.. cool if there is unknown thing u bring up... then thats the diss.. but to say acal u went to jail, haha tom u have a hog tat haha.. church ur mom is wack haha... its just feels corny . Idk if that makes sense.. or to say..like cool they were cool but someone talking about thenother behind their backs.. cool that beef.. but church starting just cuz he dont like toms marketing or what hebstands for? Yea tom political.. get over it.. idk maybe cuz i follow them both but i dont see the point hence. To me. No point in responding would seem to be done just to be done.. nothing personal at stake chur h could release 15 if then...u know whats gonna happen. Nothig tom gonna do another big song he gonna be on more podcasts and blow that name up. Why would he go and look down to tokem or churcb now.. or whoever... cuz its hip hop.. no its not. Hip hop is not a sport. People die.. if its true hip hop poeple die. Get shot or stabbed. When did willie nelson or neil diamond go against someone in a beef.. lol. Hip hop is spreading a message.. being hip in the know to the hop to the happening.. rap is the style. Gangster rap is the poeple. Hip hop is a sport at a battle.. at the street corners or battle domes.. oh well
Yes, tom has toured, you can find them in a search on YT. But he never tours without Nova who has had some health issues . He IS planning to tour again hopefully this year
Tom doesn't tour. Tom is running scared. Tom was censoring to Upchurch comments. Ryan Upchurch exposed Tom McDonald. Also Tom lied on a podcast and said nobody is on doing it on his level. That's a lie. Like I will say many times...I don't pay any attention to the Tom deepthroaters. They are betas who say the same stuff over and over like their phony pony Hannah Montana Tom does in his music. They are hogtards. Tom only wish he could be as talented as Upchurch. Tom is too busy looking up licking the basketballs of Upchurch's SEO Upchurch has multiple records that went gold and platinum and he tours and competes...Tom has no gold records or platinum records. Tom doesn't compete or sell out shows on tour. Tom has to use Upchurch's SEO. Upchurch doesn't beg people to buy merchandise and also Hannah Montana Tom buys views. 😂😂😂Lol. He also has a husband in law. Haha. Might as well throw that in there. He's a industry plant posing as a independent artist. Upchurch is speaking facts and that's the bottom line. Tom has to look up to Upchurch. But Tom hides his eyes. 😂😂😂😂😂Upchurch is not someone to mess with when it comes to rap battle. IBlackfeet Nation Creeksquad Holla girl
Tom's a psycho?? 😂. Church trying to make some Jack for these million dollar law suits he's facing. Hahaha . He wants to tell everyone else's "dirty laundry" ... We need more "Melvins" UpChurch! Haha. Love you Cliff and appreciate your non-bias...i just can't with this egotistical nutcase. I'll catch your next one! Love to ya ❤
Tom, has not try to appeal to any thing from the south!! I use to rock with Ryan heavily but feel like he had lost. All his explanations really make no sense. Love you Cliff but couldn’t watch after this part. I will catch you in another video my friend. Much love ❤️
If I remember right Nova has a health condition. Which explains the CGI and not traveling or touring. Tom is looking out for what is important. Which is why I don't think he will respond. I personally think Upchurch is just trying to ride his wave.
@@Swearengen1980 Not saying she is an Invalid, just saying he chooses to stay with her is a choice. Most choose to tour to make their income. He doesn't need to. once again he chooses family.
They toured b4 the virus bs came about….there are videos of him on stage with the crowd singing along with him…NOVA even mentioned in her song with him while showing pictures of them on the actual tour bus in her videos…then once again, Toms video boob bap start with her saying……we are on tour and you want to shoot a music video right now??? Also, anyone who has a clue…knows that NOVA has bad anxiety and other health issues and she doesn’t like to be around a lot of people. Tom has addressed this topic many times and Adam even talked about how bad Novas anxiety and health problems were…Ryan knows this but is flipping it to fit his narrative. Exactly the same way he did with that reactors video that he purposely edited to try to make that reactor look like a punk…unfortunately for Ryan, the reactor didn’t back down & came back with receipts….yet, he calls Tom a fake? I’m a big fan of both artists and Ryan is sick with his pen and rapping…but calling someone fake while your editing a small reactors video trying to ruin him….is some strait up BS...editing a video to fit a narrative you want while trying to destroy a small reactors channel…is far worse then anything I have heard from Ryan about Tom…I’m my opinion.
Tom can go on tour without Nova. Are you saying she's an invalid who can't manage for a little while without Tom to wipe her ass? Tom chooses not to tour and that's ok, there's no need to use Nova as a scapegoat.
@@Swearengen1980 I'm LOVING that toxic a$$ can't keep a relationship with anyone ryan upchurch fans are mocking a loving relationship 😂😂😂 icing on the cake of creeksquad showing their ignorance 😂😂
Not compared to Upchurch. It's not even close. Church is the best lyricist since Eminem. Tom's lyrics are 95% straight forward. Don't bring up his Mac diss tracks, sure they were entertaining, but there was nothing clever or nasty about them.
Toms ghost writer or nova better hurry up church is on his second diss track and they still havnt responded? Its really not that deep i dont understand why people are in their feelings 😂 if you can't appreciate the art you're not a real rap fan
@@Swearengen1980 Are you just a big Creek Squad dude and failed to do any research? Tom has too many pen tight songs to count. Plenty that have ZERO to do with politics. Toms diss on Mac lethal was next level. I like Ryan, but I have never heard anything that quality from Ryan? As I said, I am a fan of both, but I have to agree with Stevie Knights take on all of this.
I appreciate the fact you’re staying neutral. Personally I think it’s terrible Upchurch is doing what he’s doing. Why? Why doesn’t he just concentrate on his music instead of Tom. Be supportive of others that are independent. Who cares if Tom is focusing on what’s going on in our country. I loved Upchurch but I had to drop him because of all his baggage. For a while dude was just crazy. He’s acting like a teen girl who is always wanting attention. So again thanks for being neutral.
Tom hasn't done a tour since the pandemic started due to Nova's health. On the My Fans music video is concert footage and when Black Pegasus reacted to it he said that the footage was from an event that BP booked Tom and Nova for. There is footage of Tom and Nova doing shows in several of their music videos. I was all about seeing a good rap battle but we found out last night a really great person that was a member of many of these reaction communities passed away and it kind of puts things in perspective. Life is too short and honestly all it's doing rn is causing issues between both fan bases, between reactors and fans with reactors. I just hope it wraps up soon and that no one is overly affected by everything.
@@terrapinsgurl thank you. Unfortunately, not just my loss. She was a very active member of several reaction channel discords so it is probably impacting quiet a few of us. ❤
Liked church way before HOG, but church is fkn digging a grave he can't dig out of. He's starting to piss his fans who put him on the map as well as alot of close, now not so close, friends. He jealous of the moves that Mac is doing lately and is trying to take back the light, but it ain't gonna work I don't think. Started shit with his mom and close friends and now just anyone who will listen.
@Cliff Tom's doing TV-podcasts & news shows. He just had an awesome podcast with Roseanne.. And no .. He's but asking them.... They're hitting him up. Dude ain't got time to sweep up Ryan's dirt.
Tom is running scared. Tom was censoring to Upchurch comments. Ryan Upchurch exposed Tom McDonald. Also Tom lied on a podcast and said nobody is on doing it on his level. That's a lie. Like I will say many times...I don't pay any attention to the Tom deepthroaters. They are betas who say the same stuff over and over like their phony pony Hannah Montana Tom does in his music. They are hogtards. Tom only wish he could be as talented as Upchurch. Tom is too busy looking up licking the basketballs of Upchurch's SEO Upchurch has multiple records that went gold and platinum and he tours and competes...Tom has no gold records or platinum records. Tom doesn't compete or sell out shows on tour. Tom has to use Upchurch's SEO. Upchurch doesn't beg people to buy merchandise and also Hannah Montana Tom buys views. 😂😂😂Lol. He also has a husband in law. Haha. Might as well throw that in there. He's a industry plant posing as a independent artist. Upchurch is speaking facts and that's the bottom line. Tom has to look up to Upchurch. But Tom hides his eyes. 😂😂😂😂😂Upchurch is not someone to mess with when it comes to rap battle. IBlackfeet Nation Creeksquad Holla girl
Tom talks about political topics, not country or Southern topics. It's a topic that has to do with the whole united states. Maybe Ryan could use his platform to do something good instead of getting high Af and talking shit about everyone he use to call friends.
I’m talking about this track and modern disses in general. They aren’t direct anymore. This style uses double and triple entendres, saying one thing that sounds like other things. It gets boring. I just prefer them to say what they mean. No Vaseline is a perfect example of being direct. Also, I really don’t care about Tom.
5 years ago 3 years ago Tom Was doing concerts And 2 podcasts this week Not AI it took me 2 seconds to figure this out but apparently up Church is the poop scooperIt's is he ice SpiceThe s*** Fart 🤡
Upchurch video views barely reaches 100k until he made the first diss about tom which got 400k views, because he mentioned tom. Tom get around a million plus views. Sounds like jealousy to me. Upchurch has good bars, but doesnt appeal to audiences so he will never be on toms level. Instead of dissing him for clout maybe he should become a ghost writer for benzino
Nova has health issues that had prevented Tom from touring but he did tour before I believe. I respect Church's pen game, but I can't think he's doing anything to get clout. Sad, very sad.
Ain't no beef when only one person is in it......church is not church no more, the humble church that was great is history he is now everything he always said he wouldn't be. I'd hate to know i was so thirsty and clout chasing I had to keep going after the same guy that don't even reply nor give a damn. his line are amazing but chase someone that will bite back quit the clout chasing bs because you've baited everyone in with it but most us are sick of seeing your bs and fetich with McDonald. I'm sure someone out there will surely give you some attention so you maybe grow again.
Cliff from one reactor to another you are my mentor and I’m glad to be apart of this reaction family even know I’m not as big as you and Knox look up to you guys mad respect ❤
watching this comment section, this is where you can clearly see a large section of Tom Macdonald fans aren't hip hop or rap fans. They're more interested in his political culture war stuff, and despite the fact that typically speaking these kind of people are the ones that you would think are from the south and they think Upchurch is...clout chasing? Do you guys not know who he is or what he's done? The dude is like 14x platinum and has charted higher than tom could ever dream of doing it, even with his politcal gimmick. Ryan Upchurch is the real deal; and this track in particular proved it. And if you don't understand how or why; then just say so. You can see Cliff reacting to how crazy it is, and almost every other reactor who has reacted to this has the same opinion, the only guy who doesn't is literally trying to slobber all over tom's knob. (Flawd TV) Most of them are generally fans of both artists; but they can see just how far ahead of the game Upchurch is in his lyrical writing ability, the actual technical skill of rapping. Those of you trying to do back flips and super-cope that Tom doesn't need to respond are the same people that were trashing on Mac Lethal for not responding to Mac Lethal Sucks. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.,
Upchurch is a very unique & incredibly talented artist, one of the best in my opinion. However, lately he's full of insecurity, jealousy, paranoia and hatred! He's the one that started all this beef by going after Tom, Acal and reactors and has been caught lying & manipulating on multiple occasions. He's done himself a disservice by going after others, creating more division within the independent rap community, he's lost fans on both sides and his declining views & numbers are showing! If he wants to improve his own life and his relationships, he needs to sober up!
upchurch also got upset when Mcdonald said he was the only independent out there on his level even though upchurch has platinum and gold records and tom dont..pretty much
All im saying is, I knew of Tom MacDonald way beofre then this guy. So Tom is probably bigger. But with that being said Tom is absolutely garbage. Lmao. From what i heard of this guy (this song only) he's definitely better than tom. 😂😂😂😂
Tom says what needs to be said and does it in a musical way something that's rarely done these days , Ryan is clearly clever with lyrics but his whole song was about hating on someone , isn't there already enough hate ?? all the problems on earth and ryan wastes his talents spreading more hate , toxic is toxic #NoResponse
Tom does all music genres, Tom Helps all kinds of people. Tom has people in all age groups listening to him. From 5-80 and even people who never listen to Rap... Church is a one trick phony... I was just starting to listening to Church, well, now he's dead to me.... Hope he get clean whatever he's on......Tom is Crazy if he responded... Tom! Remember your songs "Don't Look Down" and "No Response"
@@tierneylogan5943 Dont need to be a brain surgeon to realize theres something off about a Canadian willingly living in California pretending to be a die hard conservative with a lefty as fuck girlfriend and both of them got luciferian tattoos and rap about satan. The amount of people who cant see through the fake shit is unreal, even when its literally right in front of your face.
@@michelethompson3089 Maybe he figured out something about Tom over the course of both albums? Have to admit i lost some respect for him for working with tom.
E-THOTS 😂 “Is he AI generated or got tattoos missin” He’s talking about DignifAI (dignify AI) they remove tattoos & put clothes on OF models trying to use gaming streams to promote 😂😂😂
I got tickets for 2 tom macdonald shows at the beginning of covid but he had to cancel both the shows....one was out of his control cause he was going to tour with Falling In Reverse and one of the members of FIR ended their life so the tour had to be canceled. And Tom's other tour after that at the begining of covid was canceled by the united states shutting down all events. And if you're a real fan of Tom then you know about Nova's health conditions...which is why he hasn't toured since. But yes he's done lots of tours in the past.
6:51 man that would be a dream come true
This went hard. 🫡
Quit editing reactors videos to lie to your fans about why they won't react to you anymore. Shit cringe as fuck.
Would love to see it. My brain couldn’t handle Church-aggedon 🔥 🔥 🙏
Lmao who’s earl Winslow lol not even gonna call that a diss track lol just another weak attempt by Ryan to clout chase lol Tom can’t even see him 😂
I dont understand how he puts out this stuff so fast and its straight killer line after line dayyyum
Tbh the message from Toms political rap LITERALLY effects my kids future and beyond and not enough people are aware of the silent war that’s happening. What Tom does is bigger than just music
His message might be important, but he doesn't genuinely believe any of it. He says what is going to trend, and plays on people's emotions about all these political issues to get a fan base. *shrug* He plays his fans like a fiddle to become famous.
I know the message etc is bad. But he's not that big, so I see it more as just cringe. I wouldn't worry about it.
Tom makes really bad rap music. Thats it. Period. Nothing else matters. Keep music as music and keep the politics to a fiar minimum, its fine here and there but it being the only thing he raps about makes him corny, and obviously he doesnt care about hip hop.
@@TheBibleIsaWeirdThing lol when you prove you don’t know what your taking about off rip I can’t take shit serious bout you… Toms biggest critics atleast admit he CAN rap
@@ThrobbinWilliams22 He can "rap" sure, depending on your opinion of rapping. But objectively, he can't make good music to save his life. 😭 Lyrics are corny and dumb, he is just an Eminem clone, a very bad one at that. NF is a way better Eminem clone than Tom and NF isn't really my cup of tea either.
That composition be empty a fucking lifetime. Lifetime is a brand of composition book
UpChurch’s wordplay is on another level. An Tom does tour because I’ve had afew chances to open for him.
Lmfao with your two likes? Bro you would have opened for no one then 😂
Would have been an empty stadium since only you and and syrup sipper know about it
I just checked out your music and subscribed. I'm lovin what I heard keep it up!
@@BiffsEquipment Thanks BiffsEquipment! I appreciate you taking the time to listen. It means a lot! More to come soon 🙏💯💪
#hog4life
Go check tom tour 2024 and report back 😂😂😂
"if a rapper gonna diss me, probably about to drop a new record". Huh. Interesting, Upchurch is about to to drop a new record!
He's not attacking Tom because of that. He's calling him out for his gimmicky hypocrisy. I'm sure it made Ryan feel some sort of way for him saying guys guys were gonna put country rap on the map. Especially since he already said. "I'm not country rap, I don't drive a truck, I don't chew tobacco, get the Chevy stuck in feet of mud. He's calling him out too for being a lying hypocrite poser who's all image. Needless to say , I like both Tom and Ryan but upchurch does have a point. He's a gimmick stealing chameleon who cares more about making money and talking the talk.. but not walking the walk.
@xytronitro9429 YEP!! I totally agree!! And @artevann7060 You might be right about Upchurch thinking or feeling a kind of way about MacDonald’s songs or statements…. But right now we’re talking about why he chose to make & release this diss track RIGHT NOW…. Instead of a while back, or in a while from now. This creates drama, and drama creates buzz& hype. And you want as much buzz & hype as you can possibly get right before you drop a new album!!
@scottbushman9050 are you sure? Because it was recently that Tom said "guys we're gonna put country rap on the map". How can Ryan react before Tom made the statement? Like I said, I'm not taking anything away from Tom, I thoroughly enjoy him voicing his opinions on issues and a lot of them need to be addressed, so I'm all for it. Just saying, I can see why Ryan believes his toes were stepped on and decided to say "I'm already here bruh, stick to your own lane and don't be a hypocrite."
Lol so true
@@artevann7060 Ok yeah, I have no problem agreeing with you on that point. I guess I didn’t know Tom said that about “putting country rap on the map” or whatever/however he said it…. Cuz that totally makes sense, and I’d probably be a little pissed too if I was Upchurch & I heard Tom say that shit!! But it’s still like the PERFECT TIME for him to drop that diss track and get the buzz factor way up, right before his new album drops haha.
Upchurch saying "Please respond Tom, PLEASE, because I have a new album coming out, with CDs now, just like you, and my views are WAY down over the last few years... So Please, PLEASE TOM HELP ME SELL MY STUFF!"
Yet church also has like 700 million more views so
@@jasonrichardson1999 not lately. He's been on a downward swing for years. Last big hit was Holler Boys 5 years ago. Take Church's last 10 Official music videos and add up the total views = a little over 7 million or so. Tom's last 10 Official music videos total views = 86 million.
Church is great, but he is definitely on a downward trajectory. While Toms is all up. Thus, the fake beef. Maybe if Ryan quit with murder mysteries and secret knowledge and nonstop drama videos and focused on music....
So I like Tom & Church but if I had to pick one I would choose Tom because he's actually waking people up. What he's doing is actually working. Church and other right wing conservative rappers can call him a fence rider sure whatever. Yes he's a centerist rapper that leans right on some issues but that is the exact type of rapper that is going to get through to the other side or people with rational thought/common sense that's just been mislead by the media. Left wing rappers are in an echo chamber and so are right wing rappers. There's a reason why leftists that hate both Upchurch & Tom are embedded in Creek right now cheering on Upchurch. They want to destroy Tom then Upchurch will go back into his echo chamber they don't need Upchurch destroyed his art isn't as much of a threat to them. Our country is going off the rails right now and I'll take whatever help we can get. I don't think Tom is grifting he's too well researched in my opinion to not believe in what he's rapping. But even if it was a grift I wouldn't care because it is helping and working. I also go back to Adam Calhoun in my mind I don't question his patriotism and love of his country. He's spent the most time with Tom and loves him like a brother, wouldn't he see through that shxt? It would be fun if he responds I don't know if he will or not. I will say I lost a little respect for Church when he pulled a leftist MSM move on that reactor FTB.
He's hard core right and spins a specific narrative. The irony is waking people but hating on anyone "woke". Sad that his immature songs are about the same extreme views on both sides and not on a focus to meet any where in the middle or compromise. That is how you know Tom is full of it. All he is doing is stirring the pot for controversy to make a buck off a manipulated uninformed audience. Upchurch is genuine and can see through the fake glamor Tom presents and what he attempts to represent, modern suburban Trump crypto bros who eat up the Daily Wire, think Joe Rogan is a genius, and believe Prager U is the penicle of modern intellect.
That’s a lot of words to acknowledge that Tom is a grifter.
@@theskeptik1 Lol you just want "Tom being a grifter" to be true. But that's not what I said at all. I said I feel like he is too well researched to not believe in what he's rapping but if it turned out he was a grifter I wouldn't care because what he's doing is working. I just want a better future for my 5 year old son. I appreciate whatever help off the non critical thinking crazy train we're on.
Wtf are you talking about Tom IS the definition of a ECHO chamber.
Wayne and Em will colab with one anther, both are on different political sides, but put their political aside and will put out the best hits. There's a lot of left learning artist that'll collaborate with right leaning artist.
Hahaha as you can see by the responses to me leftists are embedded in Creek. One of Upchurch's complaints is that Tom is a fence rider if you notice they're saying Tom is far right. Hope you're noticing who's screaming next to you creeksquad. 😂
For all of the Tom lovers in here look up Dear Tom by Topher. I’ve been with Tom since he dropped Whiteboy. And he was rapping like a liberal. Anti police. Didn’t like Trump. But then Topher dropped The Patriot. Out of nowhere Tom became a Christian conservative. Topher noticed and called him out.
Are u going to react to Upchurch lieing about another reactor 🤔🤔
You mean the video that was released that ended up not being a lie?
The lose yourself flip was funny as hell to me 😂. Stay blessed Cliff 👊🏼
Switching into Eminem from a brooks and dunn reference is why i will always love church 😅
@@tierneylogan5943 Definitely an original. There is nobody like UpChurch in music, Stay blessed 👊🏼
Mentally ill, poor wack wanna be rapper upchurch tried his hardest yet again and he failed hard again. Upchurch is worse than nicki Minaj
Upchurch is just commiting career suicide at this point. Not sure what he has to gain by attacking Tom...but has a whole lot to lose.
😂😂😂😂yeah no church is a different beast I like Tom but he’s not beating church 😂
@coreyeichelberger2516 not beating church? Interesting. Guessing y'all have forgotten what Tom did to Mac lethal...either way, Tom doesn't have to compete with church bc they're in different leagues. Tom is in the majors playing with worldwide billboard number ones. Church is still riding the pine in the minors trying to curtail on Tom's success bc church can't do it himself. I pride myself on knowing and listening to a wide array of music across all decades and genres and if it weren't for folks posting these reactions I would have forgotten church even existed. But that's not the point. Tom released Don't look down for a reason and all church is doing is showing why. Nuff said.
@@roncrouch404 upchurch isn’t Mac lethal so you can’t compare the two 🤦♂️🤣
@coreyeichelberger2516 weren't comparing church to mac lethal. It was a showcase of what Tom can do, even way back then without hardly trying. If you didn't understand that than maybe you aren't qualified to be in this discussion...
@@roncrouch404Upchurch has something like 700 million more views though
Toms rapping about real life shit that actually matters. Things that need to be said and provoking conversations that need to be had. Like the content of his lyrics or not it’s still rap and he still kills it. I like both these guys I just don’t agree with the angle Church is taking it. Just seems stalker and petty. He’s living rent free in Churches head and it would appear that Tom has t given it thought. No Response pretty much covers all of it.
No its a point of view. Tom's songs are relevant yes but they are relevant only for the next 10 yrs. After that most will not be to viewable. Listen to what Upchurch is actually saying. He is daring Tom to do more timeless stuff about who TOM IS. To whit White Boys I like the song BUT Adam is rapping about Adam stuff. Who is Tom rapping about? Not Tom stuff. At the time I thought it was weird but shrugged it off cause it is a fun song.
lol just say u dont listen to church.
@@stephm5871 than you haven’t listened to Toms non political songs.
@@RobbinBonds I have a lot of Churches albums
thats a cap right there or u would know that ryan been saying what tom said lol u a bum thats lieing lol an dont listen to church @@Archangel3083
I dont think Tom needs to respond because Ryan already did,"Tom MacDonald is alot smarter than most people give him credit for, you know why hes smart ,he reads and stays to himself,if someone is talking about Tom then TOM IS WINNING" Ryan Upchurch
Love them both.. fuckin face to face and get the bag. Y'all could make a great record... squash it
Dude if you even think that Tom is as talented or even close to Ryan talent level then your already lost and you need to see a dr for your he trauma cause it’s not close at all. Not only is Ryan killing Tom he’s also killing Adam and the other stooge he’s beating all three of you 3 stooges in a song he isn’t even having to try and if you want to get respect then just quit and stop and admit to defeat guys.
@randyjones725 guess you don't like direct quotes from your boy,he said it not me,go tell him
@@tonybackwardsspellsy-not6104 go tell who and who said what I didn’t see this till just now. Tom is no where near even in the same conversation as upchurch
Black Pegusus actually held a show on one of Toms Tours and they brought Tom in and he brought Nova with him. He talks about it in the Gang Gang reactiion.
The thing is RC hasn't Realize Tom Macdonald doesn't LOOK DOWN 😏
When you see 2 friends fighting you just gotta slap them both and tell them to stop being idiots 😂
theyve never been friends
Tom toured Europe with Cool Keith and Onyx back in the day, and he hasn't toured since C19 because of Nova. His last tour was 2019 with Struggle, and then a tour with FIR was canceled. Has Ryan ever toured Europe? Nope.
There's a tour video of Tom performing Helluvit on his channel. He's talked about going on tour, but I think they may be waiting til Nova finishes her album, which should be soon.
People seem to forget that Tom produces his own stuff, plus he just produced those 2 albums with Adam AND he also produces Nova's stuff. Ryan has far more time on his hands as he only writes lyrics. Tom does it all, including signing CDs, which Ryan doesn't do. Ryan pokes at Tom for being a homebody, but the dude works 24/7! How is that a dig when you have Ryan playing with lightbulbs 😅 as he criticizes a man who actually works and spends his free time with Nova and family? It's crazy!
Maybe Ryan should worry more about his own career and worry less about the careers of others. He only did 2 shows in 2022, so who is he to talk when he's only just now going on tour for the first time in 2 years? And i think he's going to cancel his tour for 'health' reasons.
Always love your reactions, Cliff. I just can't stand Ryan now, and I used to be a fan.
So defensive.
Your reactions to all these disses have been so much fun and entertaining. You don’t have to choose, you represent both. ❤️❤️❤️👵🏼
Sooo he's mad because Tom is doing things better than him and more successful or whatever and basically invaded Ryan's safe space? ... That's some weak ass Karen type shit...
How to say you’re jealous of someone’s career without saying you’re jealous of someone’s career.
How tf does Tom have beef with Mac lethal on Twitter, rap battle him with music videos, proclaim victory and not defend it when someone who can actually rap and beef shows up expecting the same energy.... I'm starting to see how hypocritical Tom is and the fake wall upchurch is pointing out. The fact he didn't respond to upchurch after he made the Mac lethal beef so theatrical and bragged how he wasn't even trying.... tried to show his rapping skill..... sounded like he was behind on the beat.... he gets absolutely obliterated by church and nothing?! Optimus prime in this mutha.....hand of ghost is real.... fuck...
I can say Tom MacDonald used to tour, I remember getting emails telling me to get tickets. But that has been awhile since I've gotten one. Now it's mostly when a video is dropping and asking me to download on iTunes like everyone uses iTunes.
I like both Upchurch and Tom MacDonald but I feel like Upchurch is having some jealousy with Tom MacDonald. Just seeing Tom blow up then a short time later a Upchurch releases a diss track.
His girl has lots of health issues its a Sacrifice he makes to make sure shes good
@@CrippledMenace that's right, she was in the hospital like what 2yrs ago due to it if I recall.
@@llo9491 yeah she came back like a beast i forget which video it was for i think it was dont look down. I dont get the hate for his choice to put her health first i guess a healthy relationship confuses people
@@CrippledMenace a lot of times people just want to hate and find small things to hate on, quite often it's at someone who is doing great. But song that popped into mind when she really went off was No Good Bastards with Tom and Brandon Hart.
Just weird timing. The issues started months ago. Little things like upchurch pulling traveler and the other tom songs off his channel tipped people off.
Theres no jealousy here. Church is above Tom and he knows it. Toms also a grifter though. Hes not actually about hiphop and is only in the game to make a bag off stupid people while political tensions are hot. The dude hasnt opened his mouth in years without trying to beg for merch sales in the same breath.
People that think all Tom does is political songs obviously haven't bought a CD or all the songs that he doesn't drop on TH-cam. Because he has a ton of non political stuff. And he doesn't tour because Novas health problems
holy crap cliff where'd all these subs come from?? you used to be my favorite small-time reactor
now you're my favorite big-time reactor ;D
great work my guy
Thanks cliff for being a real reactor and doing the music. All these people looking at this politically are brainwashed
Church mad Tom didn't respond and so he brings out another diss. How many more he gonna release after this? I hope Tom don't respond at all.
I hope not as well. Tom is straight cringebro
Tom wont respond, hes a coward. Dude cant even defend himself on a mic.
Toms a coward
Great reaction Cliff. Church just playing around thats the scary thing. Im here for it!
Lol hes shouting at rhe clouds tom has better shit to do like being number 1 for 2 weeks strait
@@CrippledMenace a number 1 gimmick shit track with Ben Shapiro, that's not a musical accomplishment lmfao
Nah upchurch is trying his hardest again and it’s trash yet again
@@michaelpleasant8416facts you can’t tell the hog bots nothing they live an breath the fake world 💯
@michaelpleasant8416 if it's #1 it means millions of people disagree with your "it's shit" opinion. Seriously, it's so sad that Upchurch and his incel fans are mad and rambling for no actual reason.
Alot of people have lost respect for Upchurch.
Upchurch prolly bout to drop a new album. 😂😂
Tom and nova both toured but after covid they haven't toured since. No va has serious respiratory problems.so it wasnt safe for her to tour. they're hoping to tour this summer
I'm just here for the comments 😅 people getting all pissed over two guys, who are at the top of their game in their separate lanes, that don't give a single sh*t about you or me 🤣 it's like politics really- they're in it to make money period... Just my 2¢ 🤷
My sentiments exactly, just about everything is about $$$.
Except Tom ain't playing ryans games kinda makes it a one way battle.
@@424stormygirl But the reactors still reactor to it and we're still commenting on it. So he still wins 😂
@@424stormygirl church is playing the game that Tom can’t handle. Y’all can say whatever you want but Thomas is scared shitless of this beef
@@trentcraton4035 🎯facts over their feelings
Upchurch feeling attention deprived.....hysterical he be needing McDonald to get him some.....Bravo Tom for ignoring his bs and not giving him a millisecond of attention.
The way Upchuck has ben ranting on instagram got me kinda worried for his health, he rants and goes off on random youtubers and reactions while taking clips out of content, I swear he abt to do some Benzino shit
Facts
Upchurch is a top tier lyricist, it’s impossible for him to Benzino. This track proves as much.
I haven't read ALL comments on IG or even on YT for that matter, so I'm not sure if anyone has pointed out this fact - if you look closely, his pupils are EXTREMELY dilated on ALL those IG videos. There are certain things that cause this. I've got my own theory, but I'll let y'all do your own research. Although, to me, it pretty much confirms what many people have already strongly suggested.
Tom's fan boys are legit losing it. You try to say Upchurch is on drugs so what if he is. Last time I checked he is grown man. You can't stand that Tom is getting smoked by Upchurch
@@smalltowntxscratcher6573 Losing??? The numbers aint lying. Upchurch is the one falling off rn its a last moment clout chase
I'm a tom fan and was a Upchurch fan until his last diss . I do understand the diss thing between artists but when he used the N word I was done after that .
By Tom ignoring him… It just makes Upchurch look like a desperate fool! Lol
You saying he ain't!? LMAO!
Exactly!
Why would Tom respond? Tom isn't real hip hop and his own fans don't care about hip hop.
I would love to hear him respond. He did with Mac lethal and that shit was straight fire.
Same with em n benzino same shit
Tom did a song with an actual country artist also who lives in the south but in no way did Tom acted like he lived it... I cant even. Church done said about 100 reasons and they all reaches.
Acting like church isn't bigger then the country artist tom had... lameeeeeoooooo
@@VIOLENTxLJxUpchurch is not bigger than John rich from Big and Rich but nice try on that
@kylegrady2678 a quick 30 second Google search will prove you're wrong
@@VIOLENTxLJx big and rich have toured all around the world and been around for 20+ years Upchurch hasn’t toured anywhere but the US just because you’ve never heard of them doesn’t mean the rest of the world hasn’t
@@VIOLENTxLJx even if that's true why the hell does that matter? So you have to be the most popular country artist to be country that makes absolutely no sense lol. Nice try though.
Tom toured prior to the pandemic. He was supposed to go on tour with Falling in Reverse in November of 2019 but the guitarist of FIR passed away, so the tour got canceled. But yes tom has toured but with novas health they have taken it easy on touring.
His tours was bars and not venues like Upchurch. Tom is running scared. Tom was censoring to Upchurch comments.
Ryan Upchurch exposed Tom McDonald. Also Tom lied on a podcast and said nobody is on doing it on his level. That's a lie. Like I will say many times...I don't pay any attention to the Tom deepthroaters. They are betas who say the same stuff over and over like their phony pony Hannah Montana Tom does in his music. They are hogtards.
Tom only wish he could be as talented as Upchurch.
Tom is too busy looking up licking the basketballs of Upchurch's SEO
Upchurch has multiple records that went gold and platinum and he tours and competes...Tom has no gold records or platinum records. Tom doesn't compete or sell out shows on tour. Tom has to use Upchurch's SEO. Upchurch doesn't beg people to buy merchandise and also Hannah Montana Tom buys views. 😂😂😂Lol. He also has a husband in law. Haha. Might as well throw that in there. He's a industry plant posing as a independent artist.
Upchurch is speaking facts and that's the bottom line. Tom has to look up to Upchurch. But Tom hides his eyes. 😂😂😂😂😂Upchurch is not someone to mess with when it comes to rap battle. Now that's the facts. 🎉
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Holla girl
If nova has to live like the bubble boy she can keep her ass at home. Make her ass a stay at home GF. Like really wtf.
Why does nova have to go on tour with him? She part of the show? lol not to mention she just put out her own album, she can’t be too sick
@@tierneylogan5943his girlfriend's husband may not be able to get off work, him being in the industry and all.
@@tierneylogan5943 😂😂😂 Are you her doctor
Who cares about the touring..this is just strawman..TM most likely makes most of his money on merch..also, the political angle....TM is brave for using his platform to make difference..Up is starting to sound like a Democrat Party Prostitute...
This is the most dumbest one sided beef
its only one sided because tom cant reply back without destroying his own fanbase lol
It's because of Ryan Upchurch that I started listening to Tom years ago. I have a lot of respect for him but what he's doing is an attention grab. His career leveled off and he's trying to restart it. It almost work but when he dropped his 1st dis, Tom's song hit #1 in the world, a feat Upchurch most likely will never see. Now he's trying again because the hype is done from Tom's song but it just feels like he became Hillbilly Karen at this point. It's sad to see him fall like this but that's life sometimes.
Tom is being exposed. Lol. Get educated
Hahahahahaha Upchurch has almost a billion more views, with a million less subs. Church has multiple gold and platinums. What's tom have? When was the last time your old lady put on your Tom Macdonald playlist , to roll around in the sheets to?😅😅😅
Upchurch doesn't need an attention grab, that's his entire point. He basically retired because he had done everything he wanted. He came back because he saw a poser using hastags, politics and clickbait to make himself popular. That's why Tom switched from anti hip hop to anti woke. Anti hip hop wasn't working. Lifted his entire image and style then has the audacity to criticize others for the exact same thing he is doing.
@@Anidawehi Exposed.... hahahaha. Cryin Ryan needs to move on.
Tom literally has lines in his music referring to this nonsense. "I exist outside the Internet, done shows around the world...". Pretty sure you've even reacted to it, Cliff. C'mon.
I hope Tom doesn't respond. This is just highlighting how desperate and immature, Ryan is at this point. I used to love his music and message, too.
Was he touring before he stated clout chasing politics 🤔
Yeah toms only good song I hate hip hop that shit fire
You can look up Tom's tour history and there's not a single show in that archive that says he's ever performed overseas. You do realize rappers say shit all the time that isn't true, right? 2018-2019, every show is in the States.
Oh dear someone doesn't understand battle rap and is in their feelings 🙄. This is battle rap its an art its not deep. If you don't get it you're not a real rap fan 🤷♀️
@@Swearengen1980😂🤣😂🤣 awe creeksquad forgetting how to use the internet again 😂😂
There's literal interviews... 😂😂
Tom hasn't toured since the vid hit cause of Novas health issues he cares more about her then touring i get it and respect it loved ones come first
Upchurch is really pathetic he needs viewers more than I thought this really makes no sense and why because he is angry that Tom made two albums with Adam and not with him seriously wow
Tom will end these guys. Everyone picking fights they can not win. They lucky he can not be bothered to resond.
he said he was going to controll our sleep lmao good to see ya have good evening
Church trying to rap truth while keeping tight knees so we can't see he pissed his panies everytime he thinks he went hard. Tom goes hard attacking the enemies that attack America's people and church tries to go hard attacking a fellow rapper. Oh, okay.
Tom is GOAT makes more on physical copies not needing to tour. He did tour with Nova by the way in the beginning.
Tom toured before Covid but hasn’t since.
Ryan does like one show a year if that
So he's scared?
About to is different than has lol let’s see if he actually follows through
@MikeWhoo-gy5jq You can actually buy tickets online for his shows. And, People who are Upchurch fans know he tours regularly. I honestly don't care if Tom tours or not. I remember he use to. But that his his choice.
@@cathywilliams7636 he's choosing not to, due to Novas health. He's staying home to take care of her and be there.
Seems like Ryan Upchurch it's just jealous Tom is blowing up and he is not
Upchurch must not know literally any of Tom's non political music. Pretty obvious, for someone "so smart," didn't do any actual research. I really like Ryan's older catalog, but this shit makes no sense
More like chooses to ignore it when convenient. He had a bar about Ghost.
Most people don't because they don't listen to any of his c Ds because because that's where most of his music that isn't political is on they Only see what's on TH-cam and there is some non political on TH-cam
Yall can say all you want but multiple Upchurch concerts on his 24' tour are almost sold out 🧐
Always appreciate your breakdowns. Thanks for doing this on your day off. ❤
Tom's song no response is exactly what I play against this!
Tom raps about things he is interested in and he’s told everybody he’s interested in politics. Plus everybody knows Tom has many different genres and does whatever he wants. He doesn’t give a shit what Upchurch is saying.
Tom only makes music about what his niche audience cares about and that's facts. The majority of Tom's fan base doesn't even like hip hop or rap, so Tom responding really doesn't make any sense.
His girlfriend is married to a industry guy. Tom doesn't get citizenship because he would have to pay taxes. Pyramid scheme. Upchurch knows him personally. It's gonna get worse.
Oh, he cares.
Tom sounds like he sweats about alot of made up issues and cares enough about it to whine on his songs about it.
Tom is only interested in making money. Period. His fans are blind sheep.
Tom hasnt toured since covid and is planning on touring again. And when he does they will be bigger than methedupchurch
Tom did some touring in the US with Nova in like 2016 - 2019
And before that he did world wide tours.
@@424stormygirl and prior to that he toured the galaxies..
am I doing this right?
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@@424stormygirl No he didn't. His archive shows he has done zero shows overseas. The only tours the concert archive shows is 18/19. Dear Rappers came out in 2018 and before that, he had NO audience. He was broke. He sure as shit didn't tour overseas when he didn't have a single song anyone liked or heard of.
IF Tom toured overseas it was probably as a wrestler
Upchuck is only dissing himself showing how desperate he is for clout
Not taking sides here. Listen to both. But if church is king of the south then why would it matter if tom came in his “lane”? Not to mention the song tom was on with church that he deleted off his site. Would have shown a little more confidence if he would’ve left it up. Just my opinion.
That was a remix of a church song and the original is 10x better.
Church welcomes people into his lane, unless they're fake... see Churches older disses.
@@YOSHI450R Yep. Tom has been saying some redneck shit since he teamed up with ACal and it's as fake as can be. Tom is a liberal living in LA, talking about rednecks and guns is just pandering to a demographic. It's ok, that's capitalisms, but it's still fake as shit. I still like it though.
You cant stay king of the ring without battling for the title.
@@tierneylogan5943 dude church deleted it because back when church was a little more rational he even admitted multiple times that Tom killed him and struggle on that song 😂😂😂😂
Church can't have that up 😂😂😂
Sorry Cliff, but this is a no watch for me. Boycotting Church has been splendid, going to keep it up.
Up Church has some nice flows and sound also he seems a crazy funny expressive dude. The line , You got Merc with an ink pen, had me 😂😂😂😂 keep up the awesome content Cliff 🤜🏻
It really is a shame that so many people are misjudging Tom and getting caught up on the surface items, failing to look deeper into the meaning. Yes, Tom needs to stand out to grab people’s attention, but I personally enjoy his outgoing fun personality. People get caught up on this and miss the bigger picture - I can say on my life that God is using Tom Macdonald to spread His messages of unity and getting His people to open their eyes to the injustices being done by the “system” and powers that be. While Tom also has his own messages and sarcasm added in, there are definitely songs that came directly from God. I saw and felt it the first time I heard Tom. I pray in Jesus’ name for him to stay strong through all the criticism and misunderstanding, and also for everyone else to let go of the hate and instead join the movement to share constructive information with the world to help all mankind through whatever avenue/platform available to us.
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Tom is a satanist and has said so in his music with his own words. I’m a Christian and i can’t get down with that and Nova with the upside down crosses. OPEN YALLS EYES!!!
This is the dumbest beef ever.. upchurch is barking up the wrong tree...this is why. We here are all gor indie music.. so we know church and tom, and samson and struggle and brodnax and adam and falling in reverse. And knox and loza and who ever.. we know them we hear them we follow the shorts and support and buy merch etc etc... so when we hear the disses... none of them gonna hit hard. I'm sorry chur he's disses seem weak. The em flow was cool. But say tom is a em freak, hog tat, concert seo bots ..who cares.. we know why. We know why ren is in canada.. we know why Sam signed a deal.. we know all these guys .. so if tom makes fun of church's mom, his houses, money, merch store, any nonsesne that church went thru.. we went thru it.. so we defend it.. same with tom.. we know why rom don't tour.. we heard the whining about his hig tat and cross and all the stupid things calling him ugly gay.. nova ghost wirtes.. blah blah weak weak weak.. tom doesn't have to respond cuz creeksquad knows the answers, we all know tom is Canadian. We know he buys advertising..to me. If tom wanted to be a bully church has alot more to make fun off.. but again what's the point.. its a fake beef. If there was a real squabble..cool. but its all bait.. church wants to battle tom, cool present it like king of the dot .. or make it a cypher.. something.. but this approach is lame. Church looks liek a clout chaser or jealous of Adam and tom friendship. Lol. Idk. Just my outlook. Knox and benzino makes sense.. we against mainstream so we back knox.. same with ren and gotta. We know ren.. not dotta.. so we know tom and church.. its lame. If its on a joke type thing then yes.. but thats like adam and tom now beefing.. cool if there is unknown thing u bring up... then thats the diss.. but to say acal u went to jail, haha tom u have a hog tat haha.. church ur mom is wack haha... its just feels corny
. Idk if that makes sense.. or to say..like cool they were cool but someone talking about thenother behind their backs.. cool that beef.. but church starting just cuz he dont like toms marketing or what hebstands for? Yea tom political.. get over it.. idk maybe cuz i follow them both but i dont see the point hence. To me. No point in responding would seem to be done just to be done.. nothing personal at stake chur h could release 15 if then...u know whats gonna happen. Nothig tom gonna do another big song he gonna be on more podcasts and blow that name up. Why would he go and look down to tokem or churcb now.. or whoever... cuz its hip hop.. no its not. Hip hop is not a sport. People die.. if its true hip hop poeple die. Get shot or stabbed. When did willie nelson or neil diamond go against someone in a beef.. lol. Hip hop is spreading a message.. being hip in the know to the hop to the happening.. rap is the style. Gangster rap is the poeple. Hip hop is a sport at a battle.. at the street corners or battle domes.. oh well
Yes, tom has toured, you can find them in a search on YT. But he never tours without Nova who has had some health issues . He IS planning to tour again hopefully this year
Tom doesn't tour. Tom is running scared. Tom was censoring to Upchurch comments.
Ryan Upchurch exposed Tom McDonald. Also Tom lied on a podcast and said nobody is on doing it on his level. That's a lie. Like I will say many times...I don't pay any attention to the Tom deepthroaters. They are betas who say the same stuff over and over like their phony pony Hannah Montana Tom does in his music. They are hogtards.
Tom only wish he could be as talented as Upchurch.
Tom is too busy looking up licking the basketballs of Upchurch's SEO
Upchurch has multiple records that went gold and platinum and he tours and competes...Tom has no gold records or platinum records. Tom doesn't compete or sell out shows on tour. Tom has to use Upchurch's SEO. Upchurch doesn't beg people to buy merchandise and also Hannah Montana Tom buys views. 😂😂😂Lol. He also has a husband in law. Haha. Might as well throw that in there. He's a industry plant posing as a independent artist.
Upchurch is speaking facts and that's the bottom line. Tom has to look up to Upchurch. But Tom hides his eyes. 😂😂😂😂😂Upchurch is not someone to mess with when it comes to rap battle.
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Tom's a psycho?? 😂. Church trying to make some Jack for these million dollar law suits he's facing. Hahaha . He wants to tell everyone else's "dirty laundry" ... We need more "Melvins" UpChurch! Haha. Love you Cliff and appreciate your non-bias...i just can't with this egotistical nutcase. I'll catch your next one! Love to ya ❤
Upchurch is the top Independent artist.
@@Anidawehi Hahahahahaha!
Agree 💯
Lol underground independent maybe nobody knows who he is
@@AnidawehiUpchurch is not100% independent, is he was he wouldn't need someone to makes his beats he would be making them himself also
Tom, has not try to appeal to any thing from the south!! I use to rock with Ryan heavily but feel like he had lost. All his explanations really make no sense. Love you Cliff but couldn’t watch after this part. I will catch you in another video my friend. Much love ❤️
Upchurch is exposing that fake artist Tom Hannah Montana McDonald.
Tom as far I know has done one show. Weren’t a lot of people there.
If I remember right Nova has a health condition. Which explains the CGI and not traveling or touring. Tom is looking out for what is important. Which is why I don't think he will respond. I personally think Upchurch is just trying to ride his wave.
She's not an invalid FFS, he can do shows without her. If he doesn't want to do shows, he can just say it. Hiding behind Nova is weak.
@@Swearengen1980 Not saying she is an Invalid, just saying he chooses to stay with her is a choice. Most choose to tour to make their income. He doesn't need to. once again he chooses family.
...and he's trying to use Tom for attention cause he got a album bout to drop. I won't be hearing it.
They toured b4 the virus bs came about….there are videos of him on stage with the crowd singing along with him…NOVA even mentioned in her song with him while showing pictures of them on the actual tour bus in her videos…then once again, Toms video boob bap start with her saying……we are on tour and you want to shoot a music video right now??? Also, anyone who has a clue…knows that NOVA has bad anxiety and other health issues and she doesn’t like to be around a lot of people. Tom has addressed this topic many times and Adam even talked about how bad Novas anxiety and health problems were…Ryan knows this but is flipping it to fit his narrative. Exactly the same way he did with that reactors video that he purposely edited to try to make that reactor look like a punk…unfortunately for Ryan, the reactor didn’t back down & came back with receipts….yet, he calls Tom a fake? I’m a big fan of both artists and Ryan is sick with his pen and rapping…but calling someone fake while your editing a small reactors video trying to ruin him….is some strait up BS...editing a video to fit a narrative you want while trying to destroy a small reactors channel…is far worse then anything I have heard from Ryan about Tom…I’m my opinion.
The reactor had no idea the bs he was talking about and upchurch talked about all the bs dude said in the video so what’s your point?
Tom can go on tour without Nova. Are you saying she's an invalid who can't manage for a little while without Tom to wipe her ass? Tom chooses not to tour and that's ok, there's no need to use Nova as a scapegoat.
@@Swearengen1980😂😂😂
@@Swearengen1980 I'm LOVING that toxic a$$ can't keep a relationship with anyone ryan upchurch fans are mocking a loving relationship 😂😂😂 icing on the cake of creeksquad showing their ignorance 😂😂
Church is clearly the biggest independent artist….thats a problem with church because Tom yells he’s the biggest all the time
I like both, but if UpChurch thinks Tom dont have a nasty pen as well he is Dead Wrong!!
Your crazy toms garbage
Not compared to Upchurch. It's not even close. Church is the best lyricist since Eminem. Tom's lyrics are 95% straight forward. Don't bring up his Mac diss tracks, sure they were entertaining, but there was nothing clever or nasty about them.
Toms ghost writer or nova better hurry up church is on his second diss track and they still havnt responded? Its really not that deep i dont understand why people are in their feelings 😂 if you can't appreciate the art you're not a real rap fan
Karma is coming for Tom Macdonald and his name is Ryan Upchurch! 😎
@@Swearengen1980 Are you just a big Creek Squad dude and failed to do any research? Tom has too many pen tight songs to count. Plenty that have ZERO to do with politics. Toms diss on Mac lethal was next level. I like Ryan, but I have never heard anything that quality from Ryan? As I said, I am a fan of both, but I have to agree with Stevie Knights take on all of this.
I appreciate the fact you’re staying neutral. Personally I think it’s terrible Upchurch is doing what he’s doing. Why? Why doesn’t he just concentrate on his music instead of Tom. Be supportive of others that are independent. Who cares if Tom is focusing on what’s going on in our country. I loved Upchurch but I had to drop him because of all his baggage. For a while dude was just crazy. He’s acting like a teen girl who is always wanting attention.
So again thanks for being neutral.
Tom hasn't done a tour since the pandemic started due to Nova's health. On the My Fans music video is concert footage and when Black Pegasus reacted to it he said that the footage was from an event that BP booked Tom and Nova for. There is footage of Tom and Nova doing shows in several of their music videos.
I was all about seeing a good rap battle but we found out last night a really great person that was a member of many of these reaction communities passed away and it kind of puts things in perspective. Life is too short and honestly all it's doing rn is causing issues between both fan bases, between reactors and fans with reactors. I just hope it wraps up soon and that no one is overly affected by everything.
Sorry for your loss and prayers for all that loved them. Prayers for peace found soon for their loss 🙏🏻🙏🏻🕯
@@terrapinsgurl thank you. Unfortunately, not just my loss. She was a very active member of several reaction channel discords so it is probably impacting quiet a few of us. ❤
Liked church way before HOG, but church is fkn digging a grave he can't dig out of. He's starting to piss his fans who put him on the map as well as alot of close, now not so close, friends. He jealous of the moves that Mac is doing lately and is trying to take back the light, but it ain't gonna work I don't think. Started shit with his mom and close friends and now just anyone who will listen.
@Cliff Tom's doing TV-podcasts & news shows. He just had an awesome podcast with Roseanne.. And no .. He's but asking them.... They're hitting him up. Dude ain't got time to sweep up Ryan's dirt.
* he's not... (Not *he's but) I hate autocorrect
Tom is running scared. Tom was censoring to Upchurch comments.
Ryan Upchurch exposed Tom McDonald. Also Tom lied on a podcast and said nobody is on doing it on his level. That's a lie. Like I will say many times...I don't pay any attention to the Tom deepthroaters. They are betas who say the same stuff over and over like their phony pony Hannah Montana Tom does in his music. They are hogtards.
Tom only wish he could be as talented as Upchurch.
Tom is too busy looking up licking the basketballs of Upchurch's SEO
Upchurch has multiple records that went gold and platinum and he tours and competes...Tom has no gold records or platinum records. Tom doesn't compete or sell out shows on tour. Tom has to use Upchurch's SEO. Upchurch doesn't beg people to buy merchandise and also Hannah Montana Tom buys views. 😂😂😂Lol. He also has a husband in law. Haha. Might as well throw that in there. He's a industry plant posing as a independent artist.
Upchurch is speaking facts and that's the bottom line. Tom has to look up to Upchurch. But Tom hides his eyes. 😂😂😂😂😂Upchurch is not someone to mess with when it comes to rap battle.
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Tom talks about political topics, not country or Southern topics. It's a topic that has to do with the whole united states. Maybe Ryan could use his platform to do something good instead of getting high Af and talking shit about everyone he use to call friends.
Honestly, what happened to diss tracks just being direct and saying what you mean? I’d take that style any day over this.
Tom has no style. He's a gimmick and a grifter who flows the same flow every song.
@@Anidawehi lmao ok yeah hes never switched up his flow lmao
This is an odd way to say youre too stupid to understand the bars
I’m talking about this track and modern disses in general. They aren’t direct anymore. This style uses double and triple entendres, saying one thing that sounds like other things. It gets boring. I just prefer them to say what they mean. No Vaseline is a perfect example of being direct. Also, I really don’t care about Tom.
Flawdzilla just dropped the straight facts on cryin Ryan Upchurch his diss better wake him up 💯💡👀
5 years ago 3 years ago Tom Was doing concerts And 2 podcasts this week Not AI it took me 2 seconds to figure this out but apparently up Church is the poop scooperIt's is he ice SpiceThe s*** Fart 🤡
Did you hear it? Bad.
Upchurch video views barely reaches 100k until he made the first diss about tom which got 400k views, because he mentioned tom. Tom get around a million plus views. Sounds like jealousy to me. Upchurch has good bars, but doesnt appeal to audiences so he will never be on toms level. Instead of dissing him for clout maybe he should become a ghost writer for benzino
Nova has health issues that had prevented Tom from touring but he did tour before I believe. I respect Church's pen game, but I can't think he's doing anything to get clout. Sad, very sad.
Holy shit bro Upchurch is a beast from home going at a beast form Canada...wow man why not rep your place where tou came from Tom.
Nah Church actually gonna end up the Nick Cannon in this non-existent beef 😂 Tom ain't ever gonna respond to shit
Ain't no beef when only one person is in it......church is not church no more, the humble church that was great is history he is now everything he always said he wouldn't be. I'd hate to know i was so thirsty and clout chasing I had to keep going after the same guy that don't even reply nor give a damn. his line are amazing but chase someone that will bite back quit the clout chasing bs because you've baited everyone in with it but most us are sick of seeing your bs and fetich with McDonald. I'm sure someone out there will surely give you some attention so you maybe grow again.
Cliff from one reactor to another you are my mentor and I’m glad to be apart of this reaction family even know I’m not as big as you and Knox look up to you guys mad respect ❤
Church is slowly losing his mind. Last year or so ,nothing but drama over everything
See god by tom macdonald will be a song to listen to. He definitely misses upchurch off.
Wow another show of jealousy. Lost little more respect for church. Still think church just upset that Tom and Adam is killing it.
watching this comment section, this is where you can clearly see a large section of Tom Macdonald fans aren't hip hop or rap fans. They're more interested in his political culture war stuff, and despite the fact that typically speaking these kind of people are the ones that you would think are from the south and they think Upchurch is...clout chasing? Do you guys not know who he is or what he's done? The dude is like 14x platinum and has charted higher than tom could ever dream of doing it, even with his politcal gimmick. Ryan Upchurch is the real deal; and this track in particular proved it.
And if you don't understand how or why; then just say so. You can see Cliff reacting to how crazy it is, and almost every other reactor who has reacted to this has the same opinion, the only guy who doesn't is literally trying to slobber all over tom's knob. (Flawd TV)
Most of them are generally fans of both artists; but they can see just how far ahead of the game Upchurch is in his lyrical writing ability, the actual technical skill of rapping.
Those of you trying to do back flips and super-cope that Tom doesn't need to respond are the same people that were trashing on Mac Lethal for not responding to Mac Lethal Sucks.
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.,
Upchurch is a very unique & incredibly talented artist, one of the best in my opinion. However, lately he's full of insecurity, jealousy, paranoia and hatred!
He's the one that started all this beef by going after Tom, Acal and reactors and has been caught lying & manipulating on multiple occasions. He's done himself a disservice by going after others, creating more division within the independent rap community, he's lost fans on both sides and his declining views & numbers are showing!
If he wants to improve his own life and his relationships, he needs to sober up!
I don't care, Upchurch is a dope rapper - Tom Burger King can't respond, skill lacking
upchurch also got upset when Mcdonald said he was the only independent out there on his level even though upchurch has platinum and gold records and tom dont..pretty much
Church says he is bigger than Tom. Why's he diss'n down then? Tom trolls for a reason. You know that Cliff.
Agree fully
All im saying is, I knew of Tom MacDonald way beofre then this guy. So Tom is probably bigger. But with that being said Tom is absolutely garbage. Lmao. From what i heard of this guy (this song only) he's definitely better than tom. 😂😂😂😂
Underground vs new age clout chase.. it's not hard..
Tom says what needs to be said and does it in a musical way something that's rarely done these days , Ryan is clearly clever with lyrics but his whole song was about hating on someone , isn't there already enough hate ?? all the problems on earth and ryan wastes his talents spreading more hate , toxic is toxic #NoResponse
Tom does all music genres, Tom Helps all kinds of people. Tom has people in all age groups listening to him. From 5-80 and even people who never listen to Rap... Church is a one trick phony... I was just starting to listening to Church, well, now he's dead to me.... Hope he get clean whatever he's on......Tom is Crazy if he responded... Tom! Remember your songs "Don't Look Down" and "No Response"
One trick pony .. 🤣.your tripping. I respect if you don't like Upchurch but to say he's a one trick pony is crazy!
It's wild. That people comment something like. Who is Ryan Upchurch. He's not bigger than Tom. Do your research before speaking. It's not that hard. 😅
I don't think Adam would have done 2 albums with tom if he was a pos.
I heard Adam actually told church some stuff about Tom after he worked with him and that’s where some of this is coming from.
@@tierneylogan5943 You heard from who?
@@tierneylogan5943 Dont need to be a brain surgeon to realize theres something off about a Canadian willingly living in California pretending to be a die hard conservative with a lefty as fuck girlfriend and both of them got luciferian tattoos and rap about satan.
The amount of people who cant see through the fake shit is unreal, even when its literally right in front of your face.
@@tierneylogan5943So now you’re calling Adam Calhoun fake because he did a second album with him, so…..
@@michelethompson3089 Maybe he figured out something about Tom over the course of both albums? Have to admit i lost some respect for him for working with tom.
E-THOTS 😂 “Is he AI generated or got tattoos missin” He’s talking about DignifAI (dignify AI) they remove tattoos & put clothes on OF models trying to use gaming streams to promote 😂😂😂
@CliffBeatsOfficial You missed a bar just wanted to point out wat he meant 🫡
This guy been garbage for 2years and now he wants to come back. Clout chase homie. Good Luck😊
Staying neutral on something that seems like it just came outta f*ckin nowhere.
I got tickets for 2 tom macdonald shows at the beginning of covid but he had to cancel both the shows....one was out of his control cause he was going to tour with Falling In Reverse and one of the members of FIR ended their life so the tour had to be canceled. And Tom's other tour after that at the begining of covid was canceled by the united states shutting down all events. And if you're a real fan of Tom then you know about Nova's health conditions...which is why he hasn't toured since. But yes he's done lots of tours in the past.
😂 ok of course
Exactly, facts. Tom has toured and has a legit reason to not be touring now.
All of this is an inaccurate word salad
@@michaelthomas229 an upchurch fan wouldnt recognize a healthy relationship its fine
100% Ryan doesn't research very well, does he.
@@claranielsen3382 much like a certain mac lethal 😂