I might be a magnet for them then since I wrote a guide on how to beat Elizabeth in P3R and was surprised to see quite a few comments on it stating that: the fight shouldn’t exist and/or people have dropped the game over encountering this fight. It made no sense to me that an optional fight could cause this sort of reaction but here is a link to the guide and its comments: www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/1apo97i/how_to_beat_elizabeth_without_orpheus_telos_in_p3r/?rdt=45922
L take honestly. I think you missed the overall point most of the commenters on that thread had. It wasnt that they needed the item, it's that they expected a p3 fight, and got a puzzle instead. It's the bait and switch that pisses them off. If to beat the fight you need an extremely *narrow* set of *missable* components, the fight is, wothout a doubt bullshit. Taken to an extreme, this fight is a linear sequence of specific steps: like a movie. Remember that the people choosing this fight are all persona 3 endgame players, with set expectations. they frustration is not out of entitlement, but a kind of betrayal.
I get what you mean, and actually agree with it and talk through why in the long form video this short has been chopped from. Out of that context, this short may come off a bit more harshly than I intended. In the long form, I state that Elizabeth is an extremely prescriptive encounter and nothing else in the game really prepares you for it. I liken it to how the zodiac spear used to work in the original Final Fantasy 12, no challenge besides “did you read the guide though?” I suggest ways to improve the sign posting for the fight but stand by the fact that I enjoyed piecing together my first team that could beat her without Orpheus Telos. One part do I disagree with is the “extremely narrow set of components” aspect. While Armageddon is missable, it’s pretty much the only part you actually need. Everything else can be subbed out as long as you leave a day to farm what you need then trade it in at the antique store. The fight in the background of this short is my fight against Elizabeth with Chi You as my only Persona. Appreciate the feedback, apologies for the confusion.
Never ever heard a single human being complain about optional bosses brodie
I might be a magnet for them then since I wrote a guide on how to beat Elizabeth in P3R and was surprised to see quite a few comments on it stating that: the fight shouldn’t exist and/or people have dropped the game over encountering this fight.
It made no sense to me that an optional fight could cause this sort of reaction but
here is a link to the guide and its comments:
www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/1apo97i/how_to_beat_elizabeth_without_orpheus_telos_in_p3r/?rdt=45922
L take honestly.
I think you missed the overall point most of the commenters on that thread had. It wasnt that they needed the item, it's that they expected a p3 fight, and got a puzzle instead. It's the bait and switch that pisses them off. If to beat the fight you need an extremely *narrow* set of *missable* components, the fight is, wothout a doubt bullshit. Taken to an extreme, this fight is a linear sequence of specific steps: like a movie. Remember that the people choosing this fight are all persona 3 endgame players, with set expectations. they frustration is not out of entitlement, but a kind of betrayal.
I get what you mean, and actually agree with it and talk through why in the long form video this short has been chopped from.
Out of that context, this short may come off a bit more harshly than I intended.
In the long form, I state that Elizabeth is an extremely prescriptive encounter and nothing else in the game really prepares you for it. I liken it to how the zodiac spear used to work in the original Final Fantasy 12, no challenge besides “did you read the guide though?”
I suggest ways to improve the sign posting for the fight but stand by the fact that I enjoyed piecing together my first team that could beat her without Orpheus Telos.
One part do I disagree with is the “extremely narrow set of components” aspect. While Armageddon is missable, it’s pretty much the only part you actually need.
Everything else can be subbed out as long as you leave a day to farm what you need then trade it in at the antique store.
The fight in the background of this short is my fight against Elizabeth with Chi You as my only Persona.
Appreciate the feedback, apologies for the confusion.