Why Does Gaijin Hate France? - War Thunder
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France is a great example of gaijin missing an easy slam dunk and creating a huge mess because they dont understand their own game systems
Hi! Please find the video 'The way Warthunder gameplay is manipulated' to find out how exactly Gaijin rigs the game results.
I have never been killed by a French vehicle in a 1v1. Ist not a good tech tree
@@theredbaron2313it's your experience, also french player are very rare
@@theredbaron2313 it's a good tech tree but played by very few players, some of them are the best at their BR, and i think you don't play enough to encounter french vehicle a lot and be killed by them
You forgot the amx roland, when french get only the roland 1 turret and the us and German get the roland 2 turret.
With nerfed elevation, because reasons
_yes, it’s been reported_
@LeGrandSarrazin but still not fixed, with the Roland nerf in the last patch. This makes this aa shit as hell...
Also Germany and USA enjoying French tracking radar on their Roland that France don't have the right to use...
Some of the most aggravating stuff that you could have added: France still has no SPAA between 4.3 and 8.3 (NONE at all). And the 4.3, the AMX13-DCA is nice as an AT gun but lost most use as an AA since they added a flash at the muzzle so massive and blinding that you can't see anything that you're shooting at. Also, some of the iconic massively produced vehicles are essentially unavailable to new French players because they are rare event vehicles (EBR, MB-152). Oscillating turrets are modelled in a way which makes them bouncier than IRL (and any bounce in the game is amplified already because of the way the game works, but that's not specific to FR vehicles). Last but not least, some light vehicles are classified as TD, making them miss scouting ability which would be very useful for vehicles which are, otherwise, terrible.
Wdym amx13dca is good as spaa the turret turn more faster than m42
@@soto1649 wrong comparison: every AA in the game is better than an M42. But at least, with an M42, you can actually see the target, which isn't the case with the AMX13-DCA. Again, I said myself the DCA is a nice vehicle, mostly in AT role, but it was nerfed badly in the AA role by the useless addition of that blinding muzzle flash. Last but not least, the main issue with it is that you are stuck with it from 4.3 (where it performs well enough) to 8.0 (where it is completely useless).
As a French line main every battle is a fight to not win, but to get more silver than I lose in repair costs since for some reason they have some of the highest repair costs
As a french myself , i am so mad that they didnt add the Dunkerque even tho the Graff Spee and Scharnost are already in the game....
Gaijin didn’t even add the lead ships in the two battleship classes but others in the same class. If they did add a dunkerque class ship it may end up being Strasbourg (it had slightly more armour).
@@SethHollands now that ur mentioned that... its so true, maybe they keep the main ships for futur premium ? Who knows...
I hope to see the Richelieu one day in that game tho 🙏🥲
@@draikemile6327 I dream of playing the Richelieu, but it would take me months of grinding to get it
@@richelieubestship1129 Richelieu for the win !
France could really use MBTs between 9.0 and 11.3, it's so empty there
Yeah we need something at like 10.3 which would be cool but the problem is there isn’t much they could add.
@@SethHollands potentially time for gaijin to not only start including alot more French vehicles they are missing
But also give France some subtrees.
I'm suggesting Spain as a starting point. They share a boarder and they are known to work closely with each other on defence matters.
@@unlockingsnow8571Spain and Spanish vehicles have already come to Italy, so that's where they would end up most likely.
I mean, at least you have something. Japan players get only helis between 9.0-11.0
@@SethHollandsmove the leclerc down. Give it a worse round And buff the s2 to make it decent
You didn't even mention missing abilities of vehicles like LWS on the AMX40 and Leclercs or missing MICA from the 2000
The MICA would be insane so understandably not added yet but they could at the least unnerf Magic 2s I'm the meantime
@@jasoncrawford4929 who fucking cares if it is insanse, they aldd all their bullshit fake weapons to russian tanks
Im fairly sure France has the biggest BR gap between spaa vehicles it's a 4.0 jump from what i remember.. Imagine taking your reserve tank to a 4.0 battle.. Not really effective. Technically speaking it could even be a 5.0 jump in an uptier battle. Gaijin simply hasn't bothered to fill these gaps.
it became even worse when they added the AUF, at first you needed 4/4 vehicles but since they added the AUF you cant skip that tank you needed to research it aswel
@@Kaiberusyeah I felt the pain until I ulocked it all, after half a year between rank 6 and 7
Talk about the critical bug in helicopter PvE where missiles stop guiding 1 hour and 8 minutes into the game.
Truly a new low for Gaijin's dev team.
Yeah it's been infuriating, especially since I've been on my grind for the AH-6M recently. The UH-1B has a decent missile but the range is already mediocre (gotta get within 3.3km of the target in order to reliably reach them, and if the target's moving towards you then you'll be within their firing range before the missile ever reaches them) but at least you have a ranged option. Once you lose that option around an hour into the game though, you basically are required to rush with rockets as if you're a fatter AH-1G.
Don't forget the ridiculously low armor values, sometimes changed after years, lack of armored compartments for crews, last ammo rack to be depleted furthest from loader and under weakspot, missing shell types, missing transmission types, removed flare resistance hitting harder for planes with fewer missiles...
Adding everything together...
the repair cost for some french vehicle is still ridiculously high
I can barely use my EBR (1954) because of the BR change. In fact, I haven’t seen anyone play it since
Same BR as AMX-13, but still missing PCOT-51P… go figure..
The ebr is still a capable vehicle, being at where its at its basically a more mobile and lower tier version of the AMX-13 just without the better AP shell and worse survivability, but yeah, no one uses it since it has no vehicle to pair up with at 6.3, so people usually take the AMX-13 over it.
We need a french chaffee. We need more light tanks on wheels. We also need a better CAS for 7.7-9.0
yes, we need more copy paste, why add french indigenous vehicles. While we're at it, scrap all the french vehicles and replace them with US ones.
Could use a midtier AA aswell, amx-13 DCA doesnt cut it at 7.7
@@axeavier France was the biggest user of M24 Chaffee outside USA. If one nation ingame should have the M24, it's France.
I don t think there is another country that has its iconic, used vehicle as event (ebr 54 /63, mb152) , missing other (erc 90 sagaie) but has proto insted (mars 15) or has fitting vehicle added years after while being easy to documents (amx 32 105, vab mephisto, auf1).
I hate that France has a shitton of indigenous and historical vehicles, and a lot isn’t added yet. And also how they come with missing features etc
Also a lot is over tiered, amx 13 is perfect exemple
or the ebr 1951, like yeah it has good mobility, anddddd thats it@@aynersolderingworks7009
The amx30s fire system comes to mind
Brenus is a great tank. AML 90 is also great.
amx30b2 sucks imo
@@sirhayden5516laser range finder, thermals, decent dart, it’s pretty good
AML 90 is a piece of junk.
The only good point is the max speed on flat and straight road.
Armor : no armor
Mobility : off road desaster can't climb hill, stopped by every little obstacle, downtown : giant turning radius. AML 90 accelarate like a heavy tank and has no brake.
Fire power : gun utltra unstable, gun and turet pretty slow, shell's penetration ok, not bad.
suvability : 3 members, two of them can easly be killed by the same 12.7 bullet.
No secret Gajin finally give the Fox to the brits.
Brenus is very fun and well balanced. Why Gajin give it an ultra unstable gun while in real life the AMX-30 Brenus got a target tracking?
French bashing over and over again , so many cool stuff that they can had that they don't , russia get every update something and france who has so many weird and fun tank get none
Hope France gets the EMBT hybrid. Give that to France tbh. And give one to Germany
@@aslatabistaalphonso4250 knowing Gaijin with the disgusting choice for the DF105, EMBT gonna end only for Germoney.
The potez 630 and 31 are very fun to fly
France maybe bad, but hey with just 17.99 you too can get t34-85e that is boderline powercreep for its BR and totally not bias at all
As a France main, grinding early ground, especially before the (relatively) recent additions to the tree, was a huge pain, as was early air. Overall, though, I generally enjoy most of the vehicles and have had a pretty high win rate in comparison to other countries I played through. There are still pretty sucky tree gaps, especially around 9.0-11.0 ground and CAS, but it's overall the most enjoyable tree I have played in WT, though it definitely doesn't shine like the major three. Luckily, the snail has been pretty gracious in adding more viable vehicles to the tree, though many are premiums; this is overall a shame since many people don't particularly like wasting dollars for pixels just so they can fill a lineup with competent vehicles, but I suppose something is better than nothing.
(Not a naval or heli guy, so I really can't give my opinion on these trees.)
As an American, I love French in almost every military game. War thunder truly screws them. No decent Cas option or premium from Br 6-11.
The Leclerc is considered one of the best MBT in the world. Not in Wt
As someone who plays the French almost exclusively in war thunder. The new update helped the French tree, by moving vehicle to where they’re more appropriate and foldering vehicles and easing the economic pressures of the game, helping with lineups and the GRIND. but Gajin need keep it up. Fill the gaps in the tech tree and buff the tanks and planes that need it. France is and always been a major player in military hardware, swinging punch for punch with the big boys and the fact that they’re in the state they’re in is shameful.
With the last br change, i wanna die.
We have shitty light tank without stab at 8.3, The first stab tank is at 9.3 br.
It's just painful
slerpajurs, solid nick name for swedish ammo. I personally call them 'sloppyjoe' ammo
you should do italy next, we get assaulted by nerfs and BR raises too frequently because our players are somewhat decent
Italy's only real problem is all the vehicles with no line up, well and just not having a whole lot. Though up to about 7.3 it seems fine to me, and their 3.7 is just amazing with the Chaffee, Sherman, and Panzer IV. Although their low tier vehicles that rely on HEAT aren't very fun, mostly because they are wildly inconsistent.
@@commandoepsilon4664 anything above 6.3 starts to feel outclassed against pretty much everything you end up going against, the top tier only really exists because gaijin decided to give us a shell the Ariete didn't fire and they decided to br boost a couple other kinda mediocre at best tanks, the OTOMATIC is another victim to that
The C13T90 is a pretty weak tank with its only upside being HEATFS, same as the R3T106 and quite a few higher vehicles including the AUBL, infact we've seen the AUBL with APDS and it kinda sucked
@@Laconianarms I've not got higher than 7.3 so I can't really say anything about those, though being a Britain main I rather suspect any nation that isn't the big three are going to feel that way.
I don't know what they've got in their head about the C13, if I'm thinking of the right vehicle, it is effectively an AUBL but huge negating most of the AUBL's advantages while being at a higher BR.
The APFSDS AUBL's damage is a Warthunder problem, all subcaliber rounds from lowish caliber guns have trash damage. I don't have that one so if it's penetration is bad as well that is also a problem but it's BR isn't likely to change as an event vehicle that few people have and Gaijin's whole balancing system where if 'nobody plays a vehicle it isn't a problem' is another Warthunder issue.
@@commandoepsilon4664 I abused the hell out of the C13T90 and I can tell you that it's really weird, it's really bad in everything statwise but somehow pulls through entirely because of enemy stupidity and pure luck
I think of of the first 2 ranks of French aviation are really good. The D.501/510 has a cannon ridiculously early, the MB.152 is very powerful if you play it right and the Br.693 is a very effective CAS. For Ground though I agree it is challenging, especially if someone like me you only want to use French origin vehicles. That said the 2Cs are fun and the B1ter used to be my favourite before Gaijin remembered that you aren't supposed to have fun
Up until the new economy changes, every game I would play would be a fight to BREAK EVEN in SL (7.7BR, GRB). Since the econ changes, I've been making a fair bit of SL, at least a LOT more than I used too. I don't think the tanks them selves are bad (although 8.0 - 9.0 fighter jets are unplayable), I think their repair costs were just too high.
Nothing hurts me more than so many vehicles that should be techtree vehicles being event releases. France has so many weird and wacky prototypes it could put into event vehicles, but no, we get...EBRs that should be mainline trees and would really help lineups, that people think are OP when they are fine, but legimately worse than things they're higher BR than.
The early grinding for French tech tree is so hard that you have to rely on foreign vehicle like the M3A3 Stuart in order to move to higher BR... At BR 6.7 French tech tree start to be really good.
France's jets suffer so much. A ton of them are at 9.0, and Gaijin just refuses to move them even though they do not perform all that well. They basically just exist as cannon fodder for all of the 10.0s that they constantly face.
I'm glad to see this video being made. Every country after Britain has a tech tree that has a lot of br gaps, Italy and France having the worst of it.
France in particular has a god awful br setup in ranks 2 and 3, which makes it hard to gradually climb up as you progress through the tree. I hate the fact that it's like you're going from 3.7 to 4.7 or 5.0, just a lot of dumbass jumps/gaps. Italy is a little better but you're still doing 5.0 to 6.3 which is ridiculous
To give an idea as a French tree player, it took me 6 month to join br 3.7, there is 0 fun if interested like me to play the Leclerc.
Rank 1 ? didn't got any kill only bounce, EXCEPT : Lorraine 37L, that thing will follow you until you join the BR 5, Slow but very good to kill and can tank a few shot if lucky.
Rank 2 : A few kill when lucky pen.
Rank 3 : About ok, cost a lot to fix, amx 13 ( FL-11 ) called overpowerd, spoiler it's not... not at all, kv1s and t34 from the side ? can't pen it, Germans ? don't pen.
Jumbo : Pile of trash barely pen / kill anything while isn't that " Tanky " , Arl 44 : Good when gaijin isn't spitting on you but still barely pen a tiger h1, EBR 51: Can't pen a tiger h1 from the side.
Rank 4 : Amx 13 feels like a scam, m4 is pretty good but never bounced a shot.
It took me 250 hours to get Rank 4 with no hunter unlocked without the premium.
( With premium in one day you can get a tank BR 5.3 in the german tree for example )
We are still waiting to get the panther and tiger in our tree ( They were in the French army after war ), and the FT17, Patched pen, patched armor.
france has the best 7.0-7.7 ground lineups in the game (event vehicles includede)
That's literally all they got unfortunately
Don't forget 8.0_9.0
Idk, I think Britain is a contender there, with the stabilisers
@@jbeverley67 well yeah.. with french ground you should just stop grinding higher once you unlock all the below 8.0 tanks, the higher tiers just arent great while the 7.0-7.7 area is amazing
early france is one of the most miserable starting experience, I think if it were better more people would pick it up
Yeah nah it’s miserable i was trying to spade some of the ones at the very top at the tech tree and I just given up because they are so incredibly shit.
France has the m4a1 fl10 which in my opinion is really really good premium for experienced player. I've researched whole tech tree to lorraine using it
The F-84F and Milan are great grinders if you like to bomb bases.
Im expecting that a video about why gajin hates Japan and Italy is coming soon
He already did a video on Japan but yeah I’m waiting on the Italy one 😅
The fact is that few players play France and that often they are good players, which he does based on statistics, Gaijin thinks that it is a very good nation.
Im from france and france is my only rank 5, started playing when fcm were still in
same there, but you can still research them right?
The most fun i have with french tanks is when i can play with light tanks. You HAVE to use your speed as advantage and spawn them first, but after you flanked the entire enemy team and hopefully no enemy tank came your way(you won't be able to pen it) you can get quite a lot of kills from behind. Best for that role in mid tier is the amx-13(fl11) and maybe the ber but the fact that you can be machinegunned AND you have 100mm of pens at 5.3 is just kinda a joke. People say they are afraid of french players because you either die in the first 3 mins of the game or pull of the craziest plays. Very high risk and potentionally high reward, unlike in the main trees where it's kinda guaranteed that you'll have fun. It really sucks but if you accept this fact then maybe you can have an enjoyable game
F6C 10 NA and Somua SM were my way to avoid the low tier of france :)
I enjoy French. I quit soviets at 10.0 for how brain dead it was. and now play French. The only thing I would like to improve is to be able to get a 9.7 or 10.0 prem jets... the mirage at 11.3 kinda hard to pick up and grind air tree
there one Event Aircraft not Manny people own that I own is the 5.3 N.C 900
No AMX 10 RCR at 10.0 or 10.3 would be amazing.. no LeClerc Prototype ( with no protection again APFSDS at 10.0 could be fantastic, no ifvs like the Swedish CVs or the Americans I was yesterday with my new mars 15 and around me I had 2S38 CVs M110s and pumas and i was feeling so useless and little without any stabilizer.. I feel like bullied by other nations but I love France techtree and I want to stand up against the other not in a OP way but just have something more like them.
TEC putting the hon in honesty.
No mercy for the ebr
Say what you wanna day about france, but their 6.7 lineup used to be godlike, and still is pretty damn good, tho at 7.0 now. And their top tier with 3x leclerc and the mirage 2000f5, is just the best in the game. But apart from 7.0 now and 11.7, they dont really have anything
What vehicles should be added to the ground tech trees? I feel like gaijin has plans for nations like France in the future but maybe they are working on more important things at the moment. They did just have half the community rebel and are probably still dealing with the repercussions.
The starter heli is fantastic for france. 3.5k range at 7.7. I use it at 9.0 without problems
You have no idea how many weapon options it is missing….
@@LeGrandSarrazin Whats that got to do with how well it performs at its br?
@@TNKDestroyerThat it could be so much better than it is now?
@@LeGrandSarrazinok thats fine. Im still not understanding what that has to do with my comment in response to what teccy said in the video?
@@TNKDestroyer I did the report on the missing weapons last year and I'm just annoyed they still haven't fixed it lol
Just being snarky :D
at least i am now more confident, that's not me who sucks hard in that game, that"s the game who sucks!
I basically grind all tech trees, both ground&air and it is easy to say that Gaijin cares less about ‘minor’ nations. Like there are certain BRs where you cannot make a good lineup because either you cannot get 3 average vehicles in same BR or not good enough CAS to put in that lineup. I always play with 3 tanks and 2 planes in my lineup because thats all slots I have and to be honest thats all I need with backups for vehicles. But even with that low amount of vehicles in my lineup, it is impossible to make a lineup sometimes for nations like Italy, France, Japan and etc. a.k.a ‘minor’ nations tech tree wise. Even some nations lack some type of tanks like a heavy, light or TDs, you get the point. I think that this problem will never be solved since Gaijin cares all about Benjamins, which top tier premiums and stuff like that bring those greens to the pocket of Gaijin, so it will never ever be solved IMO.
As french main, i can tottaly aprove
Completely agree with the point of the video, although as a 10 year veteran myself I’ve played most every tree in game. In my time, I’ve found France to be heavily underrated enough that I’ve become a Leclerc main with mirage2000 cas. I feel that France does far better than people expect it to in my own experience. Leclerc is such a versatile platform and I have reasonable luck with the armor and survivability on it. The big thing that I’d want for it is better ammo type. OFL 120 gets the job done, but not as much penetration as I’d like. The big thing I’m waiting for if the Rafale at some point in the future.
While France is one of greatest nation to ever exist, especially in war, with those tank planes and boat
just give me a squad vehicle leclerc or a premium leclerc and ill play france
they GET EBR which is best fun vehicle in france right now
wich ebr?
even the tech tree is very good @@La_baguette_francaise
lack french spa💀
Is the premium AMX-30 good (not the super)
Objectively inferior to the tech tree AMX-30 (1972), but still a good tank (Similar to the Leopard 1)
France does not have a stabilizer and yet they put it in a tier where everyone has
France was the first tree I grinded because I like pain
Gainji "hmm not one of the Three soooo.........i dont care..."
idk man the premium amx's are kinda bullshit to fight in my experience
"why does gaijin hate every country and their game!!!!!!111" lmao its so funny so i keep watching
In my experience in tank we can’t play plane it’s so ass but the new étendard is fucking 10.0 and my max br it’s 9.3 and I don’t want to take my Leclerc I can’t do nothing I don’t have 11.7 heli or plane with the AA but 9.3 I play only tank so I want play plane but they put this in fucking 10.0 zero logical
I'm french, and even more a french nationalist. You're from France, well lemme tell you that you have an AMAZING english accent.
i only want to play france for the ARL-44 (Those who know, They know 😊)
well i know why, and tbh it is a fun tank ingame in addition to that
@@Liam-hk7sc Let’s just say … A certain anime with a angry blonde french girl made me like the tank, Too bad it basically has ZERO explosive filler!
@@PanzerHistorian i mean this "rupture" shell sure is powerful af, and it turns out my guess was right
Answer, what sub-tree they can get?
Swiss and/or Belgians basically. And don’t say Germany gets Swiss cause of the Hunter, cause Smin directly said Germany isn’t getting a Swiss subtree, lest of all they already have Argentina as their subtree
they have a ton of vehicles of their own that have yet to be added, with even more prototypes, why add a sub tree?
@@axeavier Some people think it is necessary to be considered a true "major nation" like when UK got SA. Personally I just want the Swiss for Shark FL20, some other tanks and planes, and the memes lol
they don't need a sub tree, just add their light tanks for 3.0 all the way up to 10.0
BAD GAME MONEYPIT
on nous aimes pas mais on restera fidèles a notre patrie vive la France 🇨🇵
I am at 2.7 for France and it is very difficult. There are only two 2.7 tanks. When you use them you get up tiered and I am coming across T-34's which I can't compete against.
once you get at the amx 13 it would be easier, but france is clearly not a nation to begin with
@@bonkyz1430 Amx 13 lol, except the premium one you can't pen every tiger, panter, t34 br 5.3 or more
@@Nyexa you can bro just learn how to and the amx 13 is at br 4.3 su usually fight more pzkmpfvgn 4
@@bonkyz1430 amx 13 is br 6.7 in realistic and 6.3 in arcade ...
@@Nyexa oh you mean this one... well if you can't play with it that's a big skill issue
More like why does gaijin hate Italy
Is French top tier air still worth it?
it would be if they de nerfed the missiles or added the MICA
@@La_baguette_francaise tf u say ? try the 530D then say again...
trust me its not gonna compete agaisnt R73's and Aim 9M's, but the Magic 2 buff fixed that @@Liam-hk7sc
Does gaijin hate china?
yes gaijin refuses to add the hundreds funni Chinese ifvs going 30km/h in water
Yea i mean look at camos/skins for ZTZ99A AND top tier WZ, skins for ztz99 dont change color of cannon/gun mantlet protection when in WZ it does, they dont even care about fixing that, in desert camo u run with very green mantlet cover which looks omegajoke, and their skins/camos are very bright, too bright, they glow so much, for example digital camo for ZTZ99A. Also china still misses a lot of vehicles, including IFVs, and why gaijin adds another F-16 which is the best one to china tree when they should just add J-10A which is very similar to F-16, MIG-29 etc They dont even care to add new vehicles for them, just copypastes.
Vive la France.. 🇫🇷😢
It is hard to make a croissant a death machine
gaijin hates france because its gta and not war thunder
Hate to say it but maybe France never produced anything noteworthy.
I always wanted to know, why all leclercs are on 11.7, no armor, ok speed, no pen, reload ? all NATO MBTs have 6sec reload on top crew, ok its hard for some ppl to get but still. And newest leclerc which France gets should have atleast better front armor too, but nope, i remember how good was leclerc in old times, atleast theres was a little of armor... But i guess only ruskies can have armor in this game, lmao. And Leclercs are not that great now and u have only 3 of them and whats next, amx 40? xD I think leclercs and merkavas are worst MBTs now with Ariete's in italy, cuz arietes before was also much better, the only APFDS in the game which can lolpen russian mbts, but no more, no pros, cool game. Even challengers 2 are better cuz they atleast have some stuff like 5sec reload, and theres a lot of them, same with israel, merkavas 4 are omega joke but atleast u have enough vehicles to put in lineup, and compared to leclercs, only merkava 4m is on 11.7, the only leclerc which should be on 11.7 its the of course most modern with thermal on commander etc, but still its should get armor upgrade/buff, even wiki said its have better armor with titanium plates etc. Also new shell with atleast 620+ pen.
yeah... + about the reload speed, france has an autoloader, wich is probably faster then crew doing it , and i never saw someone being able to load something while at 60kmh on a bumpy road while standing
Last I heard, France had a good top-tier helicopter - why did you say it was the worst/one of the worst?
maybe you got confused with the german eurocopter tiger
Yea u propably mean german eurocopter, or very very old times, which was are beginning of the helicopters when theres no ka-50, mi-28 etc, and french premium tiger was a absoulety beast and lions maker on heli gamemode. Even i got a lot of lions with that premium and i grinded all heli tree with this, and i didnt even bought a crew for top tiger in tree cuz its useless.
We hate gayjin as well so it is ok, gayjin can hate us. We understand perfectly.
wow I'm early as hell
hey its not just gaijin that hates the french,its just the natural state for all life
Please do a video on why Gaijin hates Soviets/Russia 😔
Fuck no XD
USA Germany and USSR/Russia get best stuff and in every patch at least 2 vehicles each. They are loved by snail
Yeah a 5 second vid that says that they don’t hate them
No shut your mouth.
And the plot thickens
LOL, why blame Gaijin for?
France had those vehicles, they actually went into WW2 with outdated 47mm short barrel guns. Yes, tier one and two was accurate. And that's why France lost the war in six weeks!
And the planes? Well, accurate too. Those were the planes, some decent, many not.
Why ask Gaijin to artificially help France, when France itself made those unfortunate choices?
We're turning War Thunder into an arcade WoT now?
Telling us you don't play France or know anything about French vehicles without telling us you don't play France or know anything about French vehicles ?
@@richelieubestship1129 I main them.... really, my favs.
1 B1 bis destroy 11 German panzers (III and IV) in the town of stonne, during the WWII, 1 vs 11 and win.
France had better equipment but worse doctrine.
@cristitanase6130 No.
The problem is the french vehicles of 1939 are fighting german vehicles from 1939 with upgrades from 1944-45. Added to the batshit insane unbalances, you'll get for instance an S35, the best all round tank of the Battle of France, fighting Pumas not with 20mm as historically, but late war 50mm gunsvirtually inexistent at the time even on PzIII ( 50 total ), and completely inexistent for years on Pumas, with inexistent at the time APHE shells !
Considering:
-The S35 didn't have its proper armor value, missing 25% for years.
-Doesn't have still its regenerative steering.
-For years had a rate of fire so ridiculously lowered, even at full crew, the S35 with its one-and-a-half man turret and 47mm shells one can load with one hand, and with a semi automatic gun ejecting and closing automatically when a shell is inserted no less, had a rate of fire slower than the long barreled PZ IV F2's 75mm gun with only 2 crewmembers left.
So, the S35, which devastated german panzers in combat, is ingame facing enemies faster, more reactive, more deadly, while being a hard nerfed version of itself.
And i'm not even talking about Sim, where the B1s can only face pz IV F2s, and not their historical enemies, early pz IIIs and IVs, pz38s, etc.
As for the french infantry support tanks, they were the best of their class, and look bad only because they were the only ones included. Want to put vickers tanks with only 7,7mm machine guns ? Pz 1s with 7,92mm machine guns ? The H35, R35 & FCM36 are included because they're the only tanks in their class with at least a chance of fighting back. And had germany not rearmed in secret, none would have been issued the ww1 FT's short 37, but the med 37mm. With the sabot rounds that had just entered production and that Gaijing still refuses to implement and compatible for both guns.
Same thing for aircraft.
Finally, even in docs, or sometimes anglo reference books on the period, there are so many factors missing, the conclusions one can reach about the Fall of France listening to/reading them cannot be near any historical accuracy.
I suggest you abstain from being too assertive about what you see as causing the said Fall.
@@canicheenrage I never fought a Puma with an S35, but yes, if that's the case then is a clear matchmaking and ranking issue.
I found the early French line quite cute, even when they got the low velocity guns. They had amazing armor and the battle often devolved into some kind of tank melee with tanks fighting up close and trying to go around the other tank and shoot the weak spots.
The rank two tanks are super nice, the heavies in particular, but it's so fun is short lived before you move out of that rank.
Higher tanking tanks are not that fun, especially the oscillating turrets without stabilizing, but the ARL line is decent, but the gap in AA is really terrible, not to mention that the AMX13 is not that good either.
And at rank 6 there are a ton of decent options for every taste.
I had no problems with the early tanks, far more annoyed by the lack of a decent AA at rank 4 and 5 to be honest.
Who doesn't😎?
Looser and incult does.
I main france and dont really mind it, i mean i am kinda dissapointed with the early aviation tech but otherwise its not too bad for me… though having so many foreign tanks is kinda dissapointing since i wanted french tanks
I think all of France's foreign tanks are American. It's either a highly modified Sherman, or just an unmodified tank like the M26. Either way, all of the nations get foreign tanks, so it's not really Gaijin's fault.