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Imaginarium Theater Guide: • Genshin's Next Endgame...
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Imagine any future version of the theater being restricted to Anemo, Geo and Cryo 💀
Even worse, Geo, Cryo, Dendro. 0 elemental reactions lmao
truly one of the synergies of all time plus nobody having built any of those elements
The majority of my characters are anemo pyro and electro and I'm still missing two characters for hard mode so any other set of elements and i won't even get to do normal at this point
I don't believe they'll do a season where there's Elements that don't have reactions with each other. A huge aspect of this thing is having challenges to cause those reactions.
I have Noelle and Kaeya built and no other Geo and Cryo☠️
I think it bounces from being an unfair gacha trap to being a mindless cakewalk depending on what type of account you have and there's nowhere in between
f2p, ar59, cleared in 2nd attempt. not sure why people are having trouble with it. yeah i know why. probably because everyone is so used to mindless neuvilette and arlecchino that they cannot form teams with elemental restrictions. i smell skill issues
@@jinxed_ash hard mode?
@@jinxed_ash I think it's because too many players spend months in artefact domains trying to get that god-like crit ratio, instead of farming for exp books, talents, leveling weapons, etc. I'm also f2p and have been playing for over two years. I've 27 characters build (and only 10 of them are exclusive 5*) and I love this new mode!
Bro is talking about "skill" in a gacha game. The irony @@jinxed_ash
@@jinxed_ashMe who used 6 built characters, all the trial characters except Arlecchino, and the rest of the characters I used (7 characters) were fillers with no artifacts. (On hard mode)
I played it and had a lot of fun, but there's definitely some issues. Personally i think they could be addressed if they either
A) allowed you to bring characters that aren't level 70 yet, or
B) allowed you to run teams with less than 4 characters
I feel like a lot of times you end up in situations where you know you can clear in time with just 3 units and you're wasting a 4th possibly good one just because the game won't let you.
If you could just run less or fill that spot with a level 20 amber on full noblesse or something it would be much better
I am convinced the creators of Hoyoverse were bullied growing up.
xD
@Artwithpurpose well they must enjoy it, cause they put up with it no matter what they do.
Not hoyoverse but genshin get that correct, they seem to love their others games like hsr and zzz it's just genshin they have problems with
Alternative title : *How to force players to get and build more characters*
Or how to reward players that built a lot of characters
A gacha game that wants you to pull for characters? No way!
Thanks, been forced to finally quit this shjtty game, excellent work hoyo, bye
@@TimeOutCrimeCraft don't let the fomo hit you on the way out! 😘
Real, mihoyo should revert back to designing for 9 year old Bradley who's still blasting pyro slimes with 200 damage overloads in Springvale with Lisa after a thousand hours.
This is basically a way for them to reduce F2P rewards without saying they're reducing F2P rewards. For most F2P players, even if you have enough characters for one cycle, you'll likely not for another cycle with different elements (for example, cryo/geo). Even for this hell of an abyss cycle, my C1 xiangling and C2 xingqiu on fontaine fishing pipe still got me the full clear after many attempts, but for a theater cycle I don't have units for, I can't do anything except sit and watch the primos disappear into thin air.
When selecting units to level just for the theater, try to use units that can get away with no talent damage and just stack EM, which also means you can get away with a low level weapon and/or 3 star statsticks with low base atk. Lvl 1 fav weapon + crit rate circlet can make a character usable. Prioritize characters with any off-field presence since you get a lot of trial DPS characters.
If on the other hand this game mode has been too easy for you, try getting the "fate's unpredictable favor" achievement, guaranteed to drive you crazy
at this point of the game, mihoyo should really start giving away 4 stars character more easily, most of them are only viable at c4 or c6 and its easier to have a 5 star than a c6 4 star, and dont talk about the big number of players who miss a lot of those 4 stars
for me the biggest issue of the game are the artifact farming (some improves but still a pain) and the lack of 4 stars characters. (im glad that i pulled on specific banners for the 4 stars, but back in the day this idea was completly hated, imaging not having a bennet or xinqui today)
No, get shrekt and pay lol
@@TimeOutCrimeCraft i mean, i beated first try the theater, but i think im just speaking facts. whats the point on releasing under stats characters and you cant even pull them. are you the one who is going to pull on a banner of a 5 star that you already have or that you really dont want just to pull an especific 4 star? The game has changed A LOT and already in the market are some genshin clones, i dont think its a good idea to be greedy
I've played other gacha games
Of all of them Genshin is the worst
And with all I mean I had an obey me and EN carnival phase
And many more
The other problem I'm having even as someone who leans horizontal investment, is that you have to use the featured characters, and they are like "oh it's cool we'll give you these lvl 80 trial characters if you don't have them so nbd". But they also don't actually let you practice with those characters, so if you have no idea how to play chlorinde, arllechino, faruzan, wanderer, you are basically just button smashing.
I'm also on mobile so the learning curve or ability to use certain characters you are unfamiliar with or those that use a bow is extra high. So I have enough characters to technically do hard mode, but since 5 of the 6 featured characters are not ones I ever have played that I'm forced to use in the early stages.... barely cleared normal. :(
I'm AR58 and I can't even attempt the hard mode because I don't have enough characters...
same, i am ar 59 and i cant even try hard mode also bec I don't have enough characters
Same ar 58😅 . Done act6 with 6* . I can't do hard mode I am lacking 3/4 more lvl 70 characters
I'm a f2p AR60 player that has everything quest and map related at 100%. I will need to level 4 more characters to lvl 70 to not use them in fight... funny
@@basti5680 it's more annoying by the fact that, we have level up the bad/decent characters and then be able to bench them.
Just see next time if they add geo element. 😭
@@BlankSama so true, next time there will be other elements T_T
A small but painful for newer players part of the restrictions is that if you have a Principal Cast character that's not built better than their trial, then that character becomes effectively worthless.
I have my Arlecchino at a power level very similar to the trial, which means that if I had built literally any other Pyro DPS, I would have an extra character at basically no loss, which is, in a sense, a really stupid way to punish people who have pulled the Principal Cast characters, but haven't built them extremely well yet.
An easy way to fix it while also partly addressing some of the issues mentioned in the video would be to increase the Vigor to 4 for Principal Cast characters that you already own and have at the required level.
I just got Alhaitham and Clorinde a few weeks ago and of couse they are playable! They are not strong at the moment.
+ My arlecchino is in a similar situation.
We are getting 6 trial characters how amazing! But I built 3 of them! And I don't have enough for hard mode🤣
As a horizontally investing dolphin my main issues were:
- HAS TO USE FULL 4 CHARACTER TEAM, this is dumb and stupid and dumb and I hate it
- game puts you back to lobby after every stage, this is annoying and wastes time for no reason
- Mystery Cache achievement is evil and I hate it
I think as a horizontal investing account, you won’t have a problem since you have many characters, but you probably didn’t build the character that is require. So, that’s your real problem.
As a vertically investing dolphin, hard agree, but also:
-i leveled up a xiangling to level 70 but didn't have to use her because i could use a friend's character, so why was I locked out until I leveled her up when supports are literally part of the mode?
-why are the buffs all absolute dogwater? There's literally no point to using them, even if you're struggling
-is there a reason players can offer supports of the wrong elements and they still show up even though you can't use them? Bc that's just evil.
-i'm seconding the 4 members per team point because WHY
All in all, quite disappointed. I don't even like the Abyss but at least I'm not literally LOCKED OUT of clearing it.
the game puts you back in the lobby so you can talk to the characters too !! 🥺
@@hkt9999 I also have enough characters, i did it relatively easily and still found it really annoying. If you know you can clear with 3 units why force you to use 4? I rather save that unit for the future
@@reggymcmonkey5737 it should be an option, not mandatory. Some people just want to finish the challenge and don't bother talking to the character anyway
Me with 0 Geo or Cryo leveled up characters: "I'm in danger"
Yeah I'm dreading some future iterations too lol
Don't worry Hydro you have so your save kinda
2 geo 1 cryo
🤣
I'm angry.
It baffles me that the game has 7 elements and some of y'all straight up deliberately avoid building characters of certain elements. I figured on day 1 that every element matters so I built at least 3 characters of each element.
Imagine a cycle with geo, cryo and dendro💀
Mono geo: yes
Mono cryo: yes
Mono dendro: ...
Hoyo: Hey kids! DO you like synergizing elements, like we intended?
Well guess what? TOO BAD! NOT ANYMORE!!!!
mono dendro goes crazy 🗿
For content creators this is still nothing but to us, hoyovers is basically saying fuck you
I thought this would be a Simulated Universe of Genshin Impact but I ended up getting disappointed.
i cant imagine that genshin and star rail r from same company, hsr is really a fav child at this point
Genshin's SU is Labyrinth Warriors, only appeared as an event once in 2.2, never returned.
"surprise" 😂
Genshin Dev's should just ask Starrail Dev's to make them a new end game content. Most players are no whales nor content creators.
@@jasonbraza9517 hmm fr, just look at hsr, just over a year into release and they have 4 freaking modes and all 4 of them r good.
This new genshin mode has too many flaws and plus it doesn't feel like A END GAME MODE, ITS MORE LIKE A EVENT.
I can't imagine this is going to be our permanent game mode 😭😭😭
much restriction. When I needed kazuha, they gave me hu Tao as an expansion of the principal cast. It forced me to play with Clorinde, arlecchino and wanderer in the same team. Without hydro, Hu Tao's solo damage is pretty low. I cannot play with XQ due to restrictions. Some stahes are super easy. We xan do it when with solo but they are forcing is to use a full team casing wastage of vigor. Difficulty is not an issue for this end game, stupid restrictions is the main culprit.
I agree. When we have to invest to so many characters for this and we can use them only twice, we should at least have possibility to choose whatever character from roster we want, not what game decides to give us
Same here; I used trial wanderer (never used him before…), Chlorinde and Arlecchino in 1-6 and now I am stuck in Act 7 with Wrio and mostly Anemo supports like Sucrose, Lynette, Jean and Xianyun….so annoying, I don’t want to start again
15 max uses for people’s borrowable characters is absolute unnecessary bs.
18 is too many.
And if you’re gonna force that on us, then I can say that Divergent Universe got it right with the whole auto level system. 👏
hmm , right, at this point, i enjoy hsr more, rather then genshin. Atleast hsr has more quality of life features then this shit
@@BlankSamaif the game wasnt a turn base game, people ditched genshin already. Most chinese players are going to wuwa now
Initially I thought that splitting up the rewards for spiral abyss and making this “level 70” theatre allows players who prefers to horizontal invest in their characters (but can’t contend for spiral abyss rewards) to get a shot for primos grind. However, it becomes more apparent when it we start playing where we realise with multiple restrictions like that built in here. It seems like you both need to be vertically invested and somewhat well horizontal invested too. Which makes it hard for (what I thought will be fun for newer players). A little bit disappointing really so I hope that they will be more open to some changes to help improve this experience.
I am having a hard time seeing the reward for investment. All that trouble, all that time and work/effort to build all the required characters, and the reward is not even 5 pulls (after this first time where you get more primos). Who is this for? Newer players that need more characters don't get enough primos to get any from this and veteran players who have enough built characters get a few minutes of combat per month?
I think that being able to use 3 characters from friend list would be most welcome addition, since it promotes looking for more friends for "solo" players.
Also, it helped that I was able to get Kuki back for 2 more vigor after using mystery cache. This could implemented as a standard stop-gap measure after clearing enough with for certain cost.
Stay Jawsome!
I wonder if they couldn't just do something like what Star Rail did for their Divergent Universe game mode. Temporarily raise levels of underleveled characters to the required minimum, give them temporary artifacts if they're not equipped in a slot. Nothing that would make them optional, but enough to be functional.
You can build level 1-70 in a flash, the mats is even less than half of doing lv 70-90 for 1 character. The problem is people spending 90% Resin and Fragile Resin for artifacts only and none of content creators can guide what to prepare for Theater assuming they know the leaks...
I spend few Fragile Resin to basically level 70 everyone I have and it's fast. This temporary or trial character only valid if the requirement is level 80 but level 70 is just sacrificing 7 artifacts farming.
Typical. This is not an endgame to create fun, but a very obvious way to make players spend more money. It's painfully obvious I'm scared they not gonna fix the problems in this gamemode.
Oh they will. Just wait another 2 yrs.
yeah, i have no faith in hoyo that they will listen to any suggestion of community about I.T. You can look loadout as a example, its been a while that they introduced it but still they didnt listen to WHAT LOADOUT COMMUNITY WANTS, and game still that
@@thornszk or wuthering waves2: galaxy ship 😂
@@thornszk they surely didn't for abyss, so..
I agree with you in all aspects. People grind hard to get characters and level them all up for a dime of primos. I don’t even understand how you get to be the director of this theater but can’t “direct” how you want your play to be. Totally needs some major changes.
The thing about imaginary theater is that it goes from too easy to Impossible because of the 18 characters that need to be level 70
hmm, and its just not about leveling the character, there r other things, weapons, talent books, AND MAIN THING IS FKING rng ARTIFACTS.
If takes a very long time even to build 1 character, and they expect us to build 4 to 6 chaarcter suddenly up our asses, with bad artifact,, with bad weapons. AND THE WORST PART IS NEXT TIME THERE WILL BE ANOTHER 3 ELEMENTS.
#1 tip is to prioritize picking the unit draft cards early instead of boons, that way you have way more leeway in choosing coherent teams and saving your big hitters for bosses.
So many people complain about RNG and scuffed teams, yet if you looked at their run you'd see they refused to pick the draft card, thus causing their own problem.
LMAO! what's the point of draft cards when you don't have enough decent characters to choose from?
@@justanotherguy3294 Bare minimum you will see 17/18 of your roster to full clear hard mode, ideally 18/18 if you prioritize picking draft card like you should.
If you chose to bring so many unbuilt duds that you're relying on statistical impossibility to dodge them, then that is entirely on you.
I always use character card than boons.
For me it wasn't that hard it was just annoying because I had to use 4 DPSs in a team because the lack of support
I love this mode! Ive been playing for two years and only have been able to clear abyss 36* twice in that time. Then it got harder. But i was able to get all the rewards here! It felt challenging when i didnt have good teams left but it was fun
Yeah. It's fun and not just another dps check.
@carlosmc2612 woo-hoo! Another enjoyed, yay!
So hard to find the positive comments lol
Much love and good vibes ✨️
I don’t even have enough lv60s and lv70s to attempt the rest of the theatre 😂
same
then don't do the theater, dont whine as simple as that.
It's an end game content dude. Not everyone should be able to do it. And they placed easy mode. Who do you think that for?
I think its perfect way to change game rating in google play from 3.1. Probably all the way to 1.5.
Vigor+character restrictions is rediculous. I was afraid they would do some bs like this
Yeah it's lame :(
I knew this was gonna happen when you see it implemented the first time
Classic Genshin devs
THAT STUPID DEFENSE THING THAT STUPID DEFENSE THING THAT STUPID DEFENSE THING
Hm, I wonder how this could be made better..maybe not making it required to have so many characters built at once and maybe focusing more on elemental reactions. Like you can only do one type of reaction and then you have to survive as long as possible with the enemies getting more and more difficult with time? The objective would depend on how long you can last rather than how fast you can clear
i have 0% faith that hoyo will listen to any suggestion. For fk sake, look at the artifact load out that they implemented , its been a while that they first introduced it into the game, DID THEY CHANGE ANYTHING OR LISTEN TO COMMUNITY , no they fking didn't, AND KEPT THAT AWFUL LOADOUT
What loadout you're talking about?
Is it the rerolling of 3trash artifacts to one artifact?
I like the idea of encouraging horizontal investment but I do think this is too much. I didn't have a problem with it but I could see one in the future if they put geo or dendro as elements. The recommendations in the video are great, especially the one from each element one. One tip for anyone reading: if u have an unbuilt char that u need to bring bc of the character requirement, equip them with noblesse pieces (unless theyre an anemo unit) so that they can act as a pseudo support whenever they get their burst. Also another tip, I didnt try this myself but you can probably swap the traveler element if u need just one more char.
The big thing here is the decrease in primos earned on Abyss, since it reset's monthly now, and Theater doesn't make up for it, not even on hard mode.
Design wise, I can't complete hard mode. And this is fine by me. It's an END GAME mode, and it didn't even eliminated abyss (I'm at 33 stars at curent Abyss with half assed teams). If you can't complete now, keep playing till you can. Coul'd you complete Abyss since launch? No.
Trial character might not even help with the restrictions if you own some of them.
i think another important thing is that the main cast is completely random, so if you invested in them already the free trial characters that are meant to reduce investment needed are useless, and then the supporting cast characters are left not invested
Well there’s no way to fix people being inflexible to something like this. In exchange for being easier raw difficulty wise, it has other limitations to stop people from just using everything broken they want.
The only "problem" is that it resets once a month and has very little rewards
I cannot get pass act 3 in the theatre it’s so annoying especially because I have to build them characters that I won’t even need in the future
They need to give a fragile resin regularly to balanace the restrictions,
The game puts you back to the Lobby bcs you can interact with the characters you played the last round. They have various voicelines. I think this is neat. But hey, everyone has his opinion
Been playing since November and managed for the first time in this abyss to 35* it. Mind you, my two main teams need some work;
Arle, Kuki, Chev and Thoma
Sige, Furina, Navia and Clorinde
The only other dps I lvled is Neuvilette, I just love support characters.
So it’s obvious that I can’t complete the Imaginarium Theater on hard, even when I lvled enough chars. It’s disappointing though I’m not gonna lvl like crazy for it, I will continue lvling according to my plan and on day I’ll be lucky!
Oh update I swapped Kuki with Raiden and Navia with Charlotte (with Thrilling Tales ofc) and I 36* it after a couple of runs.
Joepieee
So... your main complaint is the main draw of the mode. THe randomness sucks but the need for going wide is the point
Honestly as a very new player I really enjoyed it even though I could only clear Easy mode. I was just glad for a new source of primos for more wishes.
I cannot even attempt the normal mode because I need 14 character
Same here 😑
One of the main problems is the Trial characters. ...When half of your characters ARE THE TRIAL CHARACTERS you run out of additional characters way too quickly, thus, don't have enough to add more cause they were already used up. They should either let you choose that character twice, and they maybe get 4 vigor (meaning they would also count twice, and thus require one less character to be able to start the mode). OR, They should let you choose out of a pool of 10 Trial characters, which 6 you want to use as the Trial characters. So in this case, you could have chosen Raiden and HuTao to be Trial characters so then your Clorinde and Arlecchino won't get cancelled out and will still count towards fulfilling the number of character slots required.
This is great for me as I have built a wide range of units and I’m finally getting rewarded for it
the funniest part of this video is the background playing showing just how annoying the Imaginarium Theater is-
My Navia and Chiori will LOVE the day Geo is featured in the Imaginarium Theater. :)
Why can't i just play this "endgame" with my favorite characters???
The purpose of the endgame that you already build your main team and you have 2 month to build another characters for endgame
Because the event is 1 month
And you know 1 month in advance before which type of characters you need
I don’t know why is issue
Because it takes around 1 month to build 1 character to a decent amount.
Or maybe you have horrible luck in the gatcha and literally do not have enough characters.
Not to mention how most characters are designed with a single reaction in mind that we will most likely not be able to use.
Resin exists, you simp
My only gripe is that you should just be able to pick 1 character that these elemental rules don’t have to apply and you always start with that character in your starting cast. That would make replay value a lot higher since you can always start with your favorite or have a strategy revolving around that specific character. It feels bad not being able to play as your favorite character in an end game mode and having to wait months just to have the opportunity to do so.
This mode is just a way for hoyo to make more money
Most people have 2 good teams and that's enough for abyss
But Now people have to pull for characters that they don't even like just for the sake of this mode
i mean its an end game content? so i am guessing probably its not aimed at starting players like me, but more seasoned players
imagine if the endgame is, Elemental is specific (only 2 random element) then you only need 2 characters, once you start the game you'll start as lvl 1 without artifacts and random 2 character will be selected (with the specific element) and it'll be rougelike with stages where there's a room you'll enter, it maybe a reward room, elite enemies room, power up room, until you beat upto floor 20 (where floor 10 will give you another character that's not random and floor 20 is the 4th character of your choice and all of the character is from your own character you have) so even old and new players that beat the current content can enjoy the game, make it once a week with less reward..
personally i like this change, i am relatively new to the game but i always wanted to build lots of characters and now i finally have an excuse to. i don’t LOVE it, and i personally don’t like the elemental restriction nor the amount of characters you need, because i can’t even do hard mode. but i like building characters
this is the first time the game told me to build so many character, i played for almost 2 years now, and only have 12 chars built, but lucky me because im a somewhat old player i could raise them easier because i already got the mats etc
Totally agree. You proposed nice changes!
That's my case btw. I can clear 33 stars in the Abyss. But I'm lacking 3 characters for hard mode theater... So sad I can't even get a chance at playing it.
Any one change to make it less harsh will make the mode more well received, espcially players are new to this mode and lack of experience is a huge handicap, I would want 1 more element than the 3 limited elements.
I just realized that I can’t do anything past act 3 because I don’t have enough characters leveled up. I need 2 more just to get to the medium difficulty, is it worth it? Feels like a trap 😭
F2P account btw
Literally needed to build dehya
Bro is afraid of elemental restrictions, if it was removed it will only be like the second spiral abyss
the day they put Cryo, Anemo, and Dendro in the imaginarium theater, is the day i quit 😭
I think if they had trial characters of the guest stars it would help a lot. I actually like the theater. I’ve been playing for 6 months but I’m also not F2P and I have at least a few decent builds. The elemental restrictions make it pretty tough bc I only have one pyro DPS built, Arle. Thank god I have a friend with a cracked out Wriothesley or I wouldn’t have been able to clear hard mode.
I started playing in the final week of Furina's first run. I went all in on Yoimiya/Raiden/Chevruese teams. Managed to clear 7 but ran out of built characters and couldn't even get a quarter of the way through the dancer's hp. Had there been any other combination of element restrictions, I would not have even been allowed to attempt.
Selecting a character after battle and even 2 friend characters would make this game mode MUCH better. Personally I liked elemental restrictions. We just need more pyro/electro supports and so on for other elements.
And we lost an abyss rotation for this X(
Trial characters are fine, but I did not like being forced to use the trial characters at the beginning. It became much more enjoyable when I finally got rid of them and filled the roster with my characters.
I struggle in Imaginarium too. i stuck and cant move on normal i am at almost last part for normal but i die constantly.
Been playing for over a year almost 2 and still locked out of hard mode due to character number requirement. Im not gonna build an amber ill never use to get in and its maddening
The first one worked out so well for me so well since I have alot of Pyro characters, and less, but still a decent bit of Anemo and Electro
I feel like abyss is for players who do vertical investment, and theater is for horizontal investment
I regret starting the theatre without thinking twice about it sooo much. I also chose normal mode and just filled the slots with all the characters who fitted the three elements and thought I might as well just level them up in between BUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. So to players who haven't tried it out yet: Build your characters first and THEN click on the book to start because there's no way back. I now have to wait for the next theatre update and it's so annoying because I miss out so many primos and other rewards for this theatre season.
I think you can quit in the middle of all this? I did that by accident
What!? You can't??
Just finish all acts and then you can restart the entire theatre. They complicate things unnecessarily so I understand that ppl don't take the time to read. I didn't read it either
You actually can. I only reached Act 7 on my first attempt, and I can't defeat Coppelius anymore since I already used up my good characters. So I exited the stage.
Upon interacting with the book once again, there is a tab on the left side, and in one of those tabs, there is an option to [End Performance] which will allow you to restart the theater from the first act.
I hope this helps~
@@Aldz__ Omg yes, I think I confused something, I'm so sorryyy I was so mad hahaha. And thank you!!
I am happy with the elemental restriction. And I am also happy with the idea of making geo one of the restricted elements. What would ACTUALLY suck right now would be if HYDRO were a restricted element, given that of the 13 hydro characters, only 3 of them are 4* and 1 of them is Hydro Traveller, so they likelihood of having enough hydro characters is lower than with other elements due to how top-heavy it is. But incentivising and rewarding players for building niche characters like Yun Jin?? Yes please! My level 90 c6 r5 Fav Lance with 4p Husk and 2600 def without Husk stacks Yun Jin finally getting to shine sounds like a dream come true, so I can't wait for geo to be featured.
This new content is a nice way to force the players to spend resorces leveling characters that they dont even will use properly. Good job hoyo
Definitely agree with removing the 4 man restrictions in forming party, it's a very lazy way to raise difficulty with vigor system.
Also guaranteed vigor refill is definitely good idea instead of the RnG factor we got now.
Honestly the elemental restrictions as annoying as it is is quite complementary to the fun aspect, encourages players to try out new team, but still wish they made it more natural like with the abyss tho by adding elemental shields instead of literally spelling it out in front of your face "DON'T USE THESE CHARACTERS, ONLY THESE OTHER ONES" it's a very"no fun allowed" level design.
I fully agree with these points. I just started playing in March, I play every day and I am AR 55 and clear spiral abyss. I have pulled on every banner since I've started playing, (at least getting 1 5 star every banner, my wallet hurts) yet it is impossible for me to participate in the event other than easy mode. It isn't fair, there was literally nothing I could do about it unless I played way longer. Really hoping (but I doubt they will) that they will change the Theater to be less restrictive.
Just release endgame content like "Hologram" and people will be happy 😂
I have been playing only for 5 months and i don't have nearly enough characters to even attempt the normal mode. And my rossources have already dried out
Oh, do you pull often on banner? Cuz I cleared normal mode with 0 difficulty in my 6 month old acc
@@loreyxillumina i don't have enough characters to lvl 60 and i like to save up for banners that i actually like
@@Edolph_6m you have been playing for 5 months and don't have a character to lvl 60 °○°? Why would you attempt to do end game content at this stage? Focus of building your characters and attempt endgame at Ar 55
@@loreyxillumina ??? I don't have enough characters from these specific elements to level 60. Because i level up my characters one at a time. Plus i can clear the abyss with 34 stars , so i don't think it's a matter of how strong my characters are.
@@Edolph_6m oh
I don’t have enough strong characters built to get farther in hard or normal mode , I just want the primos but since the anemo , pyro and electro being the only elements I don’t have enough support, I don’t have that many electro characters, this mode will be a pain for challenge accounts weapon or element or even only females or etc
Why is your Faruzan only lvl 35? For shame. She's cool and is one of the most fun 4 stars to play cause her kit has a lot of variety and usefulness in it. (no, you don't NEED an Anemo DPS to play alongside her, I'm not talking about using her in the Abyss, just in general.)
I don't know if they copied it from wuwa Or not(it's illusive dream or something mode) but if they copied they just should have just copied its system too. We literally need only one char in that mode and that can be trail character too. That is way more rewarding for new or middle game player like me
I manage to clear one on three stars and the rest on 1 or 2 with not so well invested characters 😅
What confuses me is that support cast has some kind of counter my question would be…
Did they really do a counter for a limited amount of friends to use your characters 15 times before they not available for 30 days?
They probably did it that way to incentivize people to just pick something available that works good enough (much like the mode itself), rather than min/max and wait for 100 people to all leech off some C6R5 whale.
As someone who started a month or so ago, I was excited when I saw a new event show up, and everything looked nice... until I tried to go in and found that I didn't even have enough characters built for Easy. I'm not sure what the solution is; this seems like it's meant to be even more of an end-game system than Spiral Abyss with how wide it wants your roster to go, but then it's easier in terms of combat than it. Honestly, I think they could turn down the dial on SA a little and amp up IT more to position it as more of a late-endgame activity, and redistribute rewards so it doesn't seem like as much of a requirement, but this is coming from someone who's only at Floor 6 right now, so I can't really say for sure.
EDIT: The other thing they could do is restrict rewards to EITHER Spiral Abyss or Imaginarium Theatre, and then make the rewards better since only one is doable per period. That way rather than creating an incentive to play counter to how the rest of the f2p experience is structured, it can instead compliment it by adding an alternative way to built your account around xp tome farming.
Hi shark
I wanna build my Raiden and I've heard a lot of people say that too much ER is a bad thing then I thought that that would only be the case if you use her as a maid dps so is it true. I just wanted to check by you first.
I run about 245% ER (no ER sands). I can burst off cooldown every rotation. She does massive damage. The difference between Electro DMG goblet vs ATK% isn’t that big, so go for better substats. Hope this helps.
Raiden main since the day she got released. 😌
Raiden's ascension stat is ER and if you give her an ER weapon that's more than enough. Always go for ATK sands for her. She'll do more damage than with ER sands.
I like that this incentivizes building more characters bc Spiral Abyss incentivized more meta/power creeping characters. I never saw the point of having/building 4 stars or standard 5 stars if there were better versions, other than if a person personally wanted to. But now, having benched characters can actually fulfill a purpose. Some ppl may not have enough characters, but to me that’s like saying some ppl don’t have strong enough characters for spiral abyss. Just like with Spiral, we have to spend primos to earn primos. However, there are high AR players that still don’t have enough characters, so Genshin should definitely allow borrowing more characters from friends
I believe we should get all rewards at normal mode.
Hard mode should be reserved for endgame player.
That way everybody can be happy. They can even spike the difficulty of hard mode to appease the older players. Newer players can go do the normal mode, get all the rewards and move on to doing other things.
The only opinion you should pick in the Imaginarium Theater only pick other boosts after "new companion," Use your lesser build characters first. Again, select an opinion for new companion every round.
I had enough chars to do it right away in one go, and frankly, to me it was just boring. Since it's restricted by elements, they could do something special with overload (this time), like removing icd, making blast radius bigger or making it suck enemies instead of blasting them away. To make it feel different.
u can actually get back your char, with random Mystry Drops btw. i think this is as u said an END game content, so i think its ok to expect from people to build more char and use them, elemental restration is also there to make people try and use more builds and not go for HyperBloom team every time. im F2P player entirely and i made all my char lvl 60 any way, it took only 2day to make 4Extra level 70 for Hard mode, i think its a good general content that sure can be better but i like it as is
this is an endgame mode, its not meant for new players. Anyone complaining that its hard - well you got what you asked for haha . No one was asking for braindead easy content
Nah its easy just c6 r5 every character in the game
Mrbeast spotted
As someone who is at AR 55 I despise the character and elemanal restrictions. I have had an almost completely consistent character team throughtout my whole playthrough of the game (Raiden,Mona,Layla, Yaoyao. and recently using Arlecchino occasionally.) because it was all I needed to get through the game. I have many charcters, yes, but it feels so sudden for hoyo to say "Yeah, you know those characters that haven't seen the light of day since the last Hu Tao re-run and are only at lvl 20? Yeah, well you need to go level all of them up and give them half decent artifacts so you can play this game mode that barely gives (what I think is) substantial rewards for your effort." (talking about the limited primo rewards, not the first time rewards)
I get that this game mode is end content and I have no problem with lvling my characters up to meet the standards and try out new play styles the thing is, the process is so tedious and it felt so random to me that all of a sudden I needed to have a large array of different charcters to meet the element restrictions AND have them all leveled up to be half decent characters that I won't even pull out during open world exploration or upcoming quests. SORRY FOR THE YAP FEST.
Bah. I'm stuck at spiral abyss 8-3... and I thought each time there was a new moon or whatever I'd get to start again from floor 1. But no. So I never did abyss again. might actually try this new thingie because I build my chars out of boredom lol
I was extremely disappointed that I literally couldn't participate in the medium and hard mode after the easy one was a cakewalk. Well I'm sorry Mihoyo if you guys don't give me enough of the elements you want me to use!
The mode was made for veteran players. It's permanent so you can come back to it when you've played long enough
My solution would be to remove the vigor from the 6 Main cast theater
You know that it's a end game content right? It has to be hard. I like it hard 😅
Just remember different account have different investment. Hoyoverse can't make hard since the majority of players can't finished the entire hard difficulty mode.