"YOU STUPID PSEUDO-PROGRESSIVE DUMBF-" | Vaush Goes To War w/ His Chat
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- Destiny reacts to Vaush versus his own chat on monogamy hot take...
Date streamed: 3 Nov, 2021
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Destiny gets linked a Vaush video on monogamy and instantly regrets saying it'll probably be boring
DGG could you talk with Kraut again I think it would be great if you did.
Obsession much
Obsessed
Too bad Vaush has outpaced Destiny intellectually or Vaushie here would be willing to debate Destiny oh well we tried
@@johnjoseph1426 Hello Kettle
Destiny proving his based non monogamy by letting the game absolutely rail him for the entire video.
At least he's consistent on something.
What he playing anyway?
@@tobias1438 ....uh oh
@@plot6520 riftbreaker
@@plot6520 What ^ said. The Riftbreaker. It's pretty decent, I'd definitely recommend it.
Being monogamous = Insecure
Banning chatters who calmly disagree with your insane takes = VERY secure 🔐
Come the fuck on, both CTRL+D and CTRL+V get bad faith responses like that all the time from their chats
You don’t watch many streamers do you?! They’re all like this, including Destiny! It’s part of the show! People rarely get banned for this stuff, they’re just sounding off!!
Your name...is that a motherfookin VOOSH reference
@@bgoodnow Sounding? Sounds hot
Chatter: "Vaush, I don't think you're very clear about your position if you're using loaded language like "insecure", say it's not a bad thing, and then use it as an insult when you ban other chatters or meme about insecure people being bad."
Vaush: "OMG YOU'RE AN INSECURE DUMBFUCK, YOU'RE BEING INSECURE RIGHT NOW, GET BANNED LOLLLLLL YOU GUYS ARE DUMB"
Vaush said he'd be jealous if his gf made breakfast for her friend. That tells me everything I need to know about how Vaush's personal relationships go
He's actually insecure for feeling that way and that's cool, whatever floats his insecure boat.
It's more complicated then that bro!
Whole video is a self report
Vaush spends the entire time railing against people who are monogamous seemingly out of insecurity of their partner sleeping around with other people.
He on the other hand feels this kind of insecurity only in the specific circumstance of her cooking other people breakfast. Truly an intellectually outpaced take.
@@chocolatMouse A 10k IQ take on his part. 🤣
Classic vaush, backs himself into a corner and instead of admitting his take is dumb, he digs his heels in and chooses to die on whatever dumb take hill he's chosen for the day.
Like father like son
I mean it's pretty ironic that Vuash created the community that he now hates.
He stayed pretty consistent on his argument, but people keep miss interpreting him
@@lus6448 no he didn't, he very obviously loaded his initial argument with moral judgements and then proceeded to spend the entirety of the video arguing there were no moral judgements and that chat was ignorant and overly sensitive when they were pointing out how his statements were obviously loaded
@@Jack91790 You're wrong.
I just love the part where Vaush say “if you are monogamous you are insecure, possessive, immature child, but if that’s your thing then go for it do what makes you happy.:)”
No it's alright because he qualified it by saying "if you are monogamous you are insecure, possessive, immature man baby, but I didn't say that was negative :)))))))))" which apparently makes it fine
And then bans anybody who disagrees 😂😂😂
Monogamy is the same thing as forcing your gf to stay in the house and wear a burqa but that's totes valid bro!
but remember he is not implying or saying that these things are bad, being insecure is totally ok buttttt....
@@chrisSo91 exact same….
he goes straight to the insecurity argument because he HAS to make everyone aware that hes not insecure, they are.
When in reality he is insecure that no one could love him and only him for the rest of their life
Bingo
@@stephonkruspky2945 good god you guys really are unhinged aren't you
@@ticker0157 No, they aren’t, it’s obvious Vaush is coping with that fact, otherwise he wouldn’t jump through so many mental hoops
@@ticker0157 he's the one claiming everyone who takes part in monogamy is insecure.. but i'm unhinged for reiterating exactly what hes saying on his stream.
Why do people think wanting to sleep with other partners is a natural reaction, but the jealousy of your partner sleeping with someone else is not a natural reaction.
Vaush's main argument or beef is "the nature of society creates normalizations and trends in human behavior, and I think all normalizations would be better if they corresponded to my lifestyle and beliefs".
"If everyone was like me, I'd have less of a problem looking at myself in the mirror everyday." - Vaush
@@donutbevil9669 💀💀
Destiny epistomestically, historically, anthropologically, sociologically, got intellectually and physically outpaced by the theoretical philosopher of theoretical exclusive modern epistemologist Vaush.
You're ameliorating my will to live.
Salient/10
ok, but dont forget destiny is still a girl's name.
I'm going to be as good faith as I can on this...
That’s a normative claim!
The sheer level of utility presented in Vaush’s arguments here are on a level that our 5’4 Stephen could never fathom to reach
“You lack introspection, now excuse me while I ban everyone who disagrees with me.”
You haven’t heard about destiny much have you
@@AidenAlien destiny banned anyone who talked about vaush sexually harassing multiple people a couple years back and vaush let his gf and community spam
Report lies about destiny they got him departnered
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 no they're the same tho
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 Na Destiny bans people in his chat that he thinks have stupid arguments all the time, you rarely see him do it anymore on his youtube vids because there clipped to show the interesting parts but if you watch the stream then you'll see it.
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 Destiny frequently rage bans people and goes unhinged when he’s in a bad mood. I got banned for suggesting his behavior on Twitter is counter productive in his subreddit, something booksmarts has challenged him on multiple times.
I could easily make the argument that polyamory is born of insecurity...
A man/woman lacks in self-confidence to stick up for themselves, and hold their partner to the standard of monogamy out of fear that doing so will cause their partner to leave them entirely.
I'm not saying this is always the case, but the idea that poly-amorous relationships can't stem from insecurity is just flat-out wrong.
can also go for the other partner, insecurity to commit to one partner in fear of losing everything if it breaks
100% right. Avoiding putting all relationship eggs in one basket for fear that that you can lose one partner, but not all of them.
This was true of the "poly" relationships they were showing off on social media a few years back. It was constantly a woman cheating and bringing in another person and the man just dealing with it because he gets a turn at bat sometimes. This isn't mentally healthy at all he maybe get that pp touched some nights yet she's clearly having more fun.
Well, I happen to be a bigamist. I keep two myself.
Not to mention insecurity in themselves to confidently be what their partner wants, and so resort to allowing their partner to pick around them what they want from other people. People who are confident in providing for their partners whether it be financially, sexually, emotionally, I'd say are less inclined to lean non-monogamous because they don't feel like they are letting their partner down in some fashion.
Like "Oh man, I just clearly can't cheer her up if she's feeling sad, maybe I should let her find another guy who can help her with that kind of thing", that's being insecure. The secure response is to look into why you can't and how you can change to be better, not just give up and see yourself as 'just a guy she is with'. Become the one guy she wants, not just one she has.
The breakfast thing was actually horrifying. Imagine being in a relationship with that child.
I mean, if the idea of being in a relationship with vaush wasnt horrifying last week, I struggle to see how that take makes things worse.
@Reza Make breakfast for your wifes brothers, obviously.
That or start a twich channel where you scream about how chad alpha you are in between sobbing on camera.
@Reza Id just had a home cooked omelette for breakfast after a hard night, you know how that goes.
I had my marriage destroyed because I bought into the idea that "anybody can be poly, it's just sOcIeTy holding you back." I worked at it and really tried to make it happen for years and it didn't work. Vaush implying that this is simply because I was too insecure is absolutely disgusting
I am sorry to hear that. May I ask how exactly that destroyed your marriage? You tried to introduce the idea but it didnt work out? No pressure to answer, I realise its a very personal thing.
Vaush is a good example of why "going to college" and being able to talk like you did is not the same as understanding what you are talking about. College should teach you methods and tools to better understand the world.
Vaush didnt learn how to use these tools, instead he replaced some social dogmas against other social dogmas. I mean the way he talks about monogamy makes it pretty clear that he has no idea what he is talking about.
Maybe it was and you're just mad he said it. Tbh I couldn't be in an open relationship exactly because I don't feel secure enough in my partner - which I think is ok, since it's probably really, really hard to achieve that level of trust.
No bro, unfortunately it's millions of years of evolution that holds us back hahaha
You're not insecure or any other stupid shit like that.
Your psychology is just working up to code and keeping you sane.
So I've been through something similar but less extreme (no ruined marriage) and learned the hard way polyamory wasn't for me. I think you might be reading too much into what Vaush is saying. Hes not saying you or I are bad or weak
To be fair, he also said if you want to be monogamous then that's fine, maybe you should have stayed monogamous if that's your preference?
Vaush saying "Anthropologically, we see that humans aren't by default monogamous" I mean. As someone who majored in Anthro in college, I'm fairly certain that's just made up. 100%, there are/have been societies like the ones he's talking about that are hyper communal and try to keep most hierarchies out of the picture so that resources can be distributed equally at all times. But one thing cultural anthropology at least doesn't try to do, is make a prescriptive statement like the one he's making. "We see this exist in older, tribal societies, so it must be our base nature" Nah dude. Because for every society we find that has very short hierarchies like he's describing (more egalitarian) we see another with a taller hierarchy/monogamy. We can't look back and see the exact point human society formed, and how those people were sexually, and even if we did, that's not a good basis for prescriptive statements about modern day humanity.
Great comment.
very good comment. based and upvoted
Its not the basis for his argument is it? He could argue it with what he has said without saying that.
@@lowercasehorse2363 literally incomprehensible
@@friend7120 its really not. Maby read it a few more times. It does make sense but the way ive phrased it may make it a bit confusing but you can understand it easily.
Vaush: "Monogamy Is not the natural way of society"
The whole muslim world, where polygamy Is legal since more than a thousand years and yet only 1% of the population practice it: "Am I joke to you?"
Hence the logical conclusion is that it's based on hormones whose job it is to make sure you reproduce and have the necessary resources to raise your offspring in a manner that allows them to reproduce as well.
This also explains the slight asymmetry we see when looking at human male and female reproductive strategies. Monogomy being the standard, we also have:(mainly by men) several stable partners that you provide for and (mainly by women) reproducing with a genetically fit male while getting provided for by another or several others.
Ez pz ^_^
What's the poverty rate and the rate of people who are upperclass in those countries? I'm not arguing for it, but that can easily explain why it's only at 1%
Well, I happen to be a bigamist. I keep two myself.
conclusion: Vaush is an idiot who never bothers to research
Polygamy used to be much higher in the past as it was a system used by rulers to maintain political alliances. Also Islamic polygamous marriages are more like one man having several monogamous relationships at the same time.
Monogamy is part of “pair bonding”, it’s part of the child rearing stage of Male and female relationships. It’s important because women are basically helpless for the majority of the pregnancy and the child is also, until it reaches a certain age. Its a manifestation of a mother and father’s investment in the survival of their offspring, jealousy is also a manifestation of this. A mans jealousy comes from needing to know the child is his, and he isn’t investing time and resources into another mans child. A women’s jealousy comes from needing to know the man is invested in her and her child so they have a better chance of surviving.
Monogamy is born out of the inherent differences between the sexes and the shared reproductive goals of the sexes. It doesn’t surprise me that a socialist/communist (whatever Vaush is) doesn’t understand this or sees the need for it when they essentially think the child should be brought up by the state. Wether or not he believes that or not, it’s inevitable when it comes to those ideologies. Also, Vaush being the autistic, sheltered rich boy he is, i would imagine he’s never had genuine sexual desire from a women who wants him for primal sexual reasons, not for the security of his money and stability alone. Those are two very different reasons women get into relationships, and I would say he most probably falls into the later, the category of man that often ends up raising another mans child, yes, a cuck. Yes I just wrote out all that to call him a cuck Hahha.
amazing argument, funny ending
I agree with this but think your reasoning is bad and the weird "primal reasons" stuff is fucking weird to me.
nah, monogamy is the communism of sex. it's purpose is to redistribute reproductive rights so that even modest males can secure partners, instead of rich males just hoarding all of the females they can support. you can tell that the human animal bereft of culture or higher considerations trends towards males having more partners on average than females, and introducing money and society doesn't change that it just changes the constraints on number of females you can support from a physical one to an economic one.
the further from society we go, the more disturbing the sexual practices of the human species becomes. it's certainly NOT monogamous.
@@entropicflux8849 Nah, you’re only looking at it one dimensionally, I’m talking about child rearing and relationships, if that was the only reason people had sex then you would be right, but it’s not. You’re also not factoring in the different reasons women have sex and how I’m using monogamy, I’m talking about the time it takes to raise a child, not a life commitment.
Also you’re going to have to be clearer on your last point, being able to support a women is not the only reason they reproduce with men.
@@millennialanimal look at human bodies. just by sexual dimorphism we can tell that humans are not monogamous as an animal. monogamy in humans really is a social practice invented for social management.
monogamy is not required or even strictly beneficial for childrearing except in a modern context. if nobody in your tribe cares about parentage, all the kids belong to everybody of course. if you were curious there are plenty of non-monogamous societies on earth, a lot of them still extant. but that isn't to imply that monogamy isn't useful or superior to polygamy. lots of natural things actually suck and lots of fake invented stuff rules. herpes sucks, but the internet seems pretty rad.
why do you think men have a refractory period after orgasm, but women do not? why do you think the human penis is shaped the way it is? what do the sexual practices of our closest primate relatives look like?
This all just sounds like Vaushes gf cheated on him and now he is explaining to his bros why he hasn't ended the relationship.
Oh my god, thinking about it that way just made his whole rant bearable, thank you. Lol
If it comes out that vaushes ex cheated on him im going to have a big ol laugh.
Dude, so many people I know in open relationships only entered them because their girlfriend didn't want to be exclusive and the dude was too heads over heels to say he wasn't okay with it
@@sameash3153 That’s weird usually it’s the other way around and the gf doesn’t even engage with others except for the pleasure of their partner, which I always found weird.
However, Vaush was pretty open about being in an open relationship and being with people aside from his ex while they were together so I doubt the cheating thing.
I was thinking more that HE cheated and now he's trying to rationalize why it's okay after the fact because he wants to seem like he's morally right and she's just insecure for not being okay with it.
Vowsh: I hate the arrogance of people who think their own ideas apply to everyone
also Vanch: Monogamy is insecurity and you're behaving in an unnatural way
He gets paid for his opinions and chat doesn't
Also Vaush: If you own a computer or even a smartphone, you're effectively condoning child exploitation already, which is what eludes me as to why we as a society deem the ownership of CP illegal.
I'd say it does apply to most people, but not everybody.
Ironically, Vaush comes across as more insecure when people don't agree
@@Jack91790 Whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant in this instance. I was merely pointing out how insecure(worked up) he sounded when people disagreed.
Vaush honestly wouldn't be nearly as annoying if he just got off his high horse.
He's insecure
@@caesar8875 The horse or Vaush? Vaush has already irrefutably established that animals cannot be insecure.
@@RyanOca 💥
I like watching Vaush from time to time. Nowhere near as much as I used to since I don't have the time to keep up with his output, but he still entertains me with his banter and effective rhetoric, and he's still an important voice for online leftists who aren't tankie dipshits or stuck-up wokescolds.
That said, I agree with you. It might be due to the fact that his channel blew up pretty quickly between 2019 and 2020. We'll see whether or not it gets worse from here, I suppose.
Even though he says to assume that everything he says is objectively correct in a sarcastic tone, I genuinely believe he thinks that way
I get why people hate watch, this shit is hilarious.
Welcome to the dark side
I literally got into Destiny from hate watching after the Kenosha conversation with Vaush.
its not healthy mentally
Voosh living rent free in Destiny's head☠️
@@ExiledSummoner As opposed to keeping yourself within a hugbox of perfect agreement where everyone you listen to affirms your own biases?
He compares monogamy to abusively controlling your partner, and then bans the guy for pointing it out lmao.
He's wrong about monogamy not being the "default state of humans." There's evidence that monogamy affected the way our ancestors evolved (not having a penis bone for instance) into humans. It's like he hasn't even bothered to read literally anything about this before forming his opinion.
Not even that, you can literally use fucking common sense, why is it that every fucking culture and society on the planet in human history has been monogamous? To say that there was a collective agreement to socially condition the entire planet over thousands of years is absolutely delusional, the MOST logical and common sense explanation is that it is BIOLOGICAL. Common sense, something this moron Vaush lacks.
But you see, the black panthers.....
@@veritasabsoluta4285 I don't disagree that he is wrong, but I think you are too. It's not the MOST logical and common sense explanation that it is biological. Most evidence (and I mean contemporary) even suggests that there is little reason to asume that humans are just inherently monogamous. There are simply inherent aspects to the concept of society (i.e. a construct to enable large groups of people to continuously live with each other) that have an impact easily as much as psychology itself, probably more, that leads it to be the standard in any large society.
Among others insecurity could even be one of them to be fair, but that doesn't make him right. The faint suggestion he makes that insecurity is the flaw in humans and is not simply a logical emotional response leading from humans being flawed in other ways, is non-sensical. So that said, to not make this too long, even though I don't agree it's necessarily biological, I fully agree that this isn't the result of some sort of collective agreement to socially condition the planet, but something that evolved naturally although not probably not just biologically.
@bibbles, the evidence you're refering to does not mean what you say it means. Evidence does suggest that our ancestors used to have a penis bone and we evolved to lose it, but the connection to 'being monogamous by default' is non-existing. As always, correlation doesn't equal causation and there could be any number of factors which could have lead to this. The reality simply is, the science isn't in on this. There is very little reason to assume based on scientific evidence that we are all 'by default' monogamous or polygamous. So anyone who says it is, wants it to be that way rather than knows. If anything, the sience seems to indicate that there is no universal default state for humans on this subject, that is an option too. It is extremely plausible that just like personality traits, different reproductive strategies are simple present in different persons, but that all are present in most of us to some differing degree. That would suggest that the most effective under specific circumstances would be the most commonly applied under those circumstances, Which is what we see. For the masses in a society, monogamy is by far the most effective reproductive measure, therefore that is the majority practice. For the happy few this is less true, which is why we see alot more polygamy in the upper echelons of societies. Depending on the culture and government type, this can be in the open or covert. This would also explain why some of the masses would still prefer polygamy and some of the upper echelons still truely practice monogamy, because those individuals are simply more predisposed to one or the other.
Vaush: "There is nothing wrong with monogamy, BUT it is entirely caused by jealousy and insecurity and it is a creation of patriarchy, Christianity, and capitalism probably also has something to do with it."
I don't know, that was basically my takeaway. I did find it hilarious how he was banning people one after other for challenging his "argument" when he accuses Destiny of doing that all the time.
the socialist's guide to social science: take something that you personally don't like and say it's arbitrary than vaguely point towards muh capitalism and muh patriarchy. it's so easy lmao
Hot Take: Vaush cannot actually speak English like a normal human.
Vaush is actually just a computer program trying to brute force through every shit argument in hopes of finding an argument that wins him the internet points
@@adrycough that’s the funnies shit I’ve read today
the way vaush speaks reminds me of when I have a 2500 paper due so I add in unnecessary words to make the paper look and feel more cohesive but i lose myself on what the fuck I am writing
@@Joe-fj6dj You are right, he never grew out of that.
Vaush version: When we are talking about speech patterns meaning when we specifically observe the way he speaks it becomes undeniable. Objectively we can say that he completely over describes everything. Now as students we want to come across as intelligent, we want to get good grades if we are to survive in this capitalist institution. The fact of the matter is that all people suffer from the need to be perceived well with in society, but as we mature within the confines' of age we loose the urge to enact through our own volition the perception others have of our intellectual maturity. And Vaush in a way never reached that point of mental maturity.
This is such a dishonest take from Vaush, you can say any standard anyone holds comes from insecurity in some way.
Quantum physically speaking, insecurity is the field from which all of reality is derived.
How is it dishonest, you can but some things are more of a product of that than others
Monogamy = insecurity = environmental influence = lack of knowledge = subjectivism = no objective morals -> radical gender abolition xenofeminism egalitarian utopian ideals -> why do people keep being monogomous :'(
Its the dialectic cycle, he just doesnt recognize the other side aka a negative dialectic where conflicting ideas lead further from the truth.
@@WizzKidxKOx? why does monogamy = insecurity
@@Akkoston monogamous = restricting relationship rules = insecure in partner's willingness to maintain relationship without that rule.
In vaush version, all monogamous relationships are not chosen, but societally expected because we're indoctrinated, vs Destiny's that says people choose but mostly dont question monogamy.
Non monogamous = free choice = secure in knowing relationship is chosen over other options, or in addition to other options.
The most based statement would be to say youre in a nonmonogamous relationship but happen to only have 1 committed partner.
"you leave your front door locked? what are you, insecure?" "what, insecure just literally means a lack of feeling of security, i'm not saying it's bad, i'm just saying you're insecure".
this is the kind of argument jordan peterson made that destiny used to criticize, equivocating prescriptive claims as descriptive ones.
When did Jordan Peterson equivocate prescriptive claims with descriptive ones?
When did Peterson ever argue that? It sounds insane even for him, and I watch him along with Destiny.
Think you might want to rethink this one dude. You got the first half correct
I'm so saddened that Vaush actually looks at relationships like this. As if anyone on the planet would say that their relationship with their friends bowling is even comparable to spending a lifetime with someone you love.
It's a sad way to look at any relationship like that.
Lmao there's literally no difference between friendships and relationships, the people who say there is a difference are the insecure people that Vaush was pointing out who think they're entitled to sexual exclusivity and to be someone's "special close exclusive person" Everything you can do with your partner are also things you can do with your friends; bowling, watching movies, going to the gym, talking about life, introducing them to your parents, hell you can even bang your friends and you know that lmao I was going to say the only difference between friendships and relationships is one that you bang and one you don't but that's kinda debunked now with the concept of friends with benefits XD
@Faraz Tahir your talking in the matter of technicality.
Technically all personal connections are overall relationships.
BUT
When people speak of relationships in the broad they are speaking of a romantic relationships.
Friendships are different.
@@faraztahir7169 for you if that works that's fine. However, that's not how the vast majority of the world operates
@@faraztahir7169 Can and what you actually do are different things. You said a whole lot of nothing, your friendship can be on the same level as a relationship, but 99.9% of the time, they aren't. most people don't live with their friends for example so their friends never get to know them that way, they don't experience the same things they experience with a relationship partner whether that be vacation experiences, emotional connection through sharing their feelings and what not. Most people or at least most men don't interact with their friends in the same way they do with their partners. So no, they aren't the same thing, they could be in theory, but in practice they are different. So there is a difference a large portion of the time, and the point of friends with benefits hardly has to be addressed since it's nonsense but I will anyway, They are called that since they are having sex without emotional connection, literally opposite of what people experience in a relationship. That's why it has it's own term, if they weren't different, they wouldn't have different terms.
I feel like Vaush Unironically thinks he's truly the Smartest person on Earth. The way he talks is like he's trying SOOOO hard to sound like an enlightened intellectual. I appreciate him in a way though, he's become a sponge that's collected the absolute worst of the worst ultra woke, annoying, debate-bro wanna be, man-bun rocking, 20 paragraph reply writing, intellectual GOD 14 year olds.
Well said
Very true. Vaush is like a filter that catches all the dumbfucks that either get banned from Destinys community or leave of their own volition to be a populist.
How much of Vaush’s community is built around a core bitter ex Destiny fans who were banned during the lefty purge? Probably most of them.
Yo what's with the hate against man-buns, we are struggeling out here.
@@jshway7827 I've really noticed this, the few rare times I've ended up in the comments on any of his vids his community is absolutely riddled with these specific types of people, Like you said, a lot of them seem like resentful EX-Destiny fans, that are all just trying to out intellect each other, lol
It’s so weird, because it’s like 3 minutes of trying to sound like the smartest person on earth immediately followed by zoomer talk and saying fuck with a cringey emphasis over and over again
Monogamy reinforces power hierarchies? Hardly: a mating relationship that reinforces power hierarchies is one where the leader has a harem, monogamy is a pretty democratic way of socially prescribing relationships.
Polygamy or non monogamy only opens the door to other kinds of power hierarchies lmao
I came down here to say the same. Many of these "enlightened, untouched by capitalism" tribes practiced polyandry OR polygyny, whichever favored the society's power structure. Monogamy reduces the influence of personal power on relationships, and it also reduces the capability of the families that enter the relationship to accumulate power, because it is harder to form incorporated families/clans with no harem to serve as a nexus.
The fact that polygamy can induce a nexus of power around a family is also why the few societies that have polygamy as core features tend to make it exclusive to families that are rich or powerful, but exclude/limit polygamy for the poor, and did not generally concern themselves with the opinions of the man or woman being sent to the harem.
China is an incredibly interesting example. The prevalence of polygamy in Chinese society waxes and wanes in tide with corruption of government, disenfranchisement of women, and the power of the lower classes. Likewise, polyamory, truly non-matrimonial polyamory, was most prevalent in India in its most brutal, highly hierarchical empires.
The study of actual history around polygamy is less than promising to the idea of normalizing it. At least if you enjoy a functioning (and egalitarian) society.
It's a very telling comment on his part
@@nickydee569 It sounds like something an incel will rationalize, which Vaush is gradually showing signs of.
@@Bingo_Bango_ dude you just haven't read the relevant sociological and anthropological literature that he has at hand. just finding ways to rationalize why you won't let your gf make eggs for other people.
How does wanting someone you're in a monogamous relationship want to stay with you only mean you're afraid of them "becoming polyamorous"? Wouldnt that just be them not wanting them to cheat on them?
“I’m not saying monogamy is bad. I’m just comparing it to not letting your partner talk to anyone else.” Like dude, not letting your partner talk to anyone else is extremely harmful abuse.
The thing with Vaush is that most of his takes start as somewhat reasonable, but he progressively argues himself into a corner where he has to admit that 2+2=5 and bowling=sex. By that point he's either too insecure to admit that maybe his position is not the best or too stupid to realize the insanity of his conclusions.
It’s okay. He said insecurity is fine. It’s a sociological anthropological biological physiological mathematical fact! If you disagree, you’re just not woke enough.
Exactly. Hes basically the guy who's too insecure to admit he's wrong so he just does mental gymnastics in front of a live audience
Honestly anyone who disagrees with vaush is most of the time is just a hater
Would you have prefered him to say 10bowling=sex?
Vaush wants to go all the way back to ape. There is nothing more reactionary than that
"Chat when did I say ______" 5 seconds later he proceeds to say what he objected to before????
Well, he's technically right that he didn't say it though. Checkmate. /s
Ngl the way he frames monogamy as something men impose upon women in relationships is really interesting. Especially when he has to bend over backwards to then say that it's actually ok to so that - when all he needs to do is admit that some partners just both like being exclusive with each other
Vaush, spoken like a man who has never been in a meaningful relationship in his entire life.
Lol, destiny relationships isn't doing too well.
@@jackmcglion8337 but Destiny doesn't advocate retarded shit like "monogamy is natural therefor good". Destiny is Destiny and he literally always says you shouldn't follow his example cause you'll probably be miserable if you have to look at him for validation of your polygamy.
polyamory only works when it is solidified in a nuclear family structure like the Mormons. if the poly is an open relationship then it opens the door for way to many problems. lots of kids who grew up with open polly parents and were taught it was normal all say it was terrible as there was always strangers being brought around and they had to compete for there parents affection and attention. there home environment never felt secure/predictable as at any moment it felt like a new random persons would occupy the environment, with them constantly having to deal with new strangers and being bystanders who would make it awkward when trying to talk to there parents,
Polymorus is having more partners but not staying with them polygamy is having more wives and more children it was created to keep populations alive especially whites compared to minorities why is that power and control that’s why they where dying no minorities does this unless it was back then but today it’s monogamy why Christianity colonialism that had a big white population because of it and it’s was banned because of a lot of diseases and problems 😂🙄💀
@@alexchavez3244 i don't think white people came up with polygamy. polygamy was considered illegal and taboo in all the American colonies and later when the U.S. was formed, if a man had multiple wives he was charged with the crime of adultery. the theory that white people schemed as a group to outnumber the minorities with polygamy doesn't hold up under investigation historical research.
"I'm just saying that this thing which 90% of people believe is morally correct is actually baseless insecurity and people should stop attacking me for being better than them."
More like 99
Not too long ago, 90% of people believed it was morally correct to kill people for believing in the wrong god.
Moral consensus means nothing.
@@Namefist11 90% of people of your ethnic, cultural and/or geographical location? Or are you claiming that was the case across the globe?
You shouldn't use a majority of people arguments. If 90% of people are racist or want a genocide doesn't make it right.
@@Namefist11 Or you could say that 90% of people believed that being gay was wrong, or being black was grounds for being property...
It's always entertaining to see Vaush act like he's some kind of wise father figure to his audience, while pulling everything he says straight out of his ass.🤣
Of course you really think vaush has any insight into sex that his audience doesn’t have? I mean maybe he does cause his audience is like 99% communist incels
Good lord, he just keeps on going, too.
I wonder if Vaush has this conversation with his girlfriend's boyfriend.
Destiny? That’s the guy who plays with trains all day
guy? I thought destiny was a girls name...
HAHAHA SAME MEMES ON EVERY VIDEO SO FUNNY
choo choo konnichi wa
Choo choo konichiwa
Train toys are for boys yet destiny is a girls name. O_O
Does anyone remember when Vaush said one of the major thing that bothered him was banning people who disagree with him.
Really? You don't say? I wonder whatever happened to that statement. 🙄
Don't quote him on that. You might get banned.
@@Va11idus Oh no.
Oh my.
Oh goodness.
🙄
"IT'S JEALOUSY AND INSECURITY!"
Nope, it's about loyalty, integrity, trust, and honour. It's about having one relationship in your life that you can rely upon no matter what else happens to you.
If intimacy shouldn't be saved for relationships, then what should be? What's the point if there's nothing that you do within a relationship that you don't do outside of it. Why have a relationship at all?
I’m sure some people having fulfilling poly relationships and that other people are fine in hook up culture, but I don’t think I could ever be happy with either. It’s not even that I’d be jealous of my wife (though I would be) so much as I hate dating and sex with strangers. Give me intimacy with a person I care about and who knows and loves me every time
Internet socialists think oaths mean nothing but a promise and they don't believe in honor either.
@@joegibbskins do you think there actually are people like that? I don’t know of any Polly groups that stayed together and didn’t end horribly
@@mcscruffles80
Agreed
So, having grown up in the hood, it's odd for me to see guys like Vaush, be as austere, ''bad ass'', and such an authoritarian on his channels. That power that he has online, doesn't really translate into the real world. I see him and I just see a guy, that wouldn't dare walk with this ''energy'' around a bunch of dudes who are about that life. Vaush isn't THAT guy. He thinks that he is because of the security that distance gives him, however, that sort of disrespectful dismissiveness that he has, would have him dealt with, VERY QUICKLY.
It's just significantly odd to me, how many guys online are willing to be disrespectful and demeaning with virtually no consequence of repercussion.
Thank you. This is exactly how I have been feeling.
if having sex with someone is no different than having a night out with someone, then why is raping someone a crime while being forced to hang out with someone isn't? and why isn't it as traumatizing?
I’m not contesting this rebuttal
@@elijahgavin6706 well clearly you're just insecure about *long, prolonged, wet, sloppy fart noise*
If the force is literal it is a crime
@@theknightswhosay yep, it's a crime that has an incredible lesser charge and is nowhere near as traumatic, meaning that it is very very different
@@tb8654 I didn’t make up this stupid analogy
Y’know, someone yelling about how insecure everyone else is sounds a little insecure
The ultimate "no u" tactic.
Also, strip clubs still exist. Maybe he should try them.
How did this entire stream happen and nobody talked about being "loyal" and how you build that trust through that loyalty, bonding through a connection nobody else but you and your partner have? Isn't there this bond that you just don't have when its split among multiple people? How was this not delved further into and all we got was "dughhhh- I don't know" ?
Why is he framing everything from the perspective of being male, when many women are equally as uncomfortable with the idea of sharing a partner? Does he just call that "toxic femininity" lol? It's easy to say shit like "don't control your partner" and "marriage is a sexist institution" but it's a bit insulting to fail to address the issue of non-monogamy from a female perspective -- like it's not even worth addressing because I suppose women are delusional and lack personal choice to him. He wants to win the easy brownie points in the male community by showing what a "tolerant" dude he is, but most women just see Vaush as the opposite of how he wants to be perceived -- he's annoying, entitled, insulting, insecure and trying to buff up his ego in the way only men can do when they lack total self awareness.
Probably because to have the luxury of being able to consider what women want you have to fist absolutely not consider anything they might want.
@@wiredvibe1678 Don't care what people desire. Care what fulfils people. That's often not what they want.
@@christiantaylor1495 spry tot going to care one iota about what you may find fulfilling
i love that he can psychoanalyse and generalise and talk down to a pretty large population whose experience he clearly does not relate to and doesn't know all that much about despite saying he is one of them and if anyone says anything back they're just "proving his point".
Tbf tho open > closed relationships
@@jeremias-serus Depends on your preference and this little word - preference - settles this and most other debates regarding social lifestyles.
I watched Vaush's stream while Adam and sitch were also reviewing his debate with Ahrelevant.
What was funny was that Sitch's entire chat was clamoring for Vaush to come on the show during this exact segment, but Vaush was too busy with THIS to go on.
Sitch and Adam are great. I’m glad they and destiny are around for left leaning not idiot commie politics
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 I've been watching Adam since the Atheism+ days for that reason, he was the sane nonrabid antitheist amid all the craziness
"you're insecure. 30 day ban for challenging me."
I’ve been married for many years. We are monogamous. We are monogamous, because I don’t want to share him, and he doesn’t want to share me, especially intimately. I’m not insecure, and neither is my husband. It’s called having a bond with one person. Lol. I can’t fathom sleeping with others, whilst knowing my husband is sleeping with other women.
Your misogyny is internal. Allow your husband to sleep with other women and be sorry.
You know you've reached peek Alpha tier awareness of the issue of non-monogamous relationship, when you're playing a video game while listening to another dude, (playing a different video game), reacting to another dude (playing a different video game), espousing philosophically about the "inherent non-defaultness" of monogamous relationships.
Darkest timeline, ladies and gents.
👽
He says animals can't feel insecurity like humans - so why are magpies monogamous ?
Just a little natural fallacy tennis .
Because of the patriarchy, duh.
Ducks are monogamous too.
Most birds are monogamous during the breeding season and there are many birds that are monogamous their whole life with the same partner.
Banned!
Uh oh, spaghetti-o
Watching Vaush's brain literally rot over the years is the greatest arch I have witnessed.
What an awful take. Even if we grant that mono relationships are not “Biologically natural” (which is very tenuous)
monogamous relationships are still a very beneficial social construct.
1. Children raised in a consistent 2 parent household do consistently better
2.For the vast majority of women, the emotional, committal side of sex far outweighs
a lustful motivation( which makes me even more sceptical that polygamy is humanity’s natural state) Vaush should learn basic sexual psychology
Do you have the data on those two points of yours?
yeah I lost it at "jealousy and insecurity aren't bad things" like bro Vaush what the actual fuck
I was getting desperate for some Destiny drama content, thanks August for getting this right in my feeed
So, monogamy is a product of mutual insecurity? Society doesn’t stigmatize those who choose poly, the stigma comes from behaving poly in a monogamous relationship, and therefor betraying a social contract.
I think vaush has some kinks he would prefer to normalize. Seems like insecurity.
Oh yeah he literally said he was the victim lmao
"Have you seen how monogamous people act when they're cheated on?!" LOL.
The irony here is that Vaush is ONLY capable of having a monogamous relationship with himself. Once again, intellectually and erogenous-ly outpaced by Professor Vaush.
For Vaush it is societally enforced monogamy with himself.
Well, I happen to be a bigamist. I keep two myself.
It’s strange to conclude that, because some people can be insecure in a monogamous relationship, all monogamous relationships *must* be born out of insecurity. Vaush is hardcore conflating devotion with possession, either because the take is still raw or because his idea of monogamy has been soured by unhealthy past relationships.
Just the fact that he considers being super insecure about your partner’s relationship history to be “monogamy normalized” has me leaning towards the latter…
Jealousy used to be, it seems, a more neutral word before. In the bible you can find translations where God says he is "a jealous God". But surely Vaush must understand that jealousy (like insecurity) come with a lot of baggage and negative associations.
the actual funniest part of that whole argument is, that monogamy was most likely born out of a feeling of security to have that one go to social anchor in your life without having to look for a new one in times of need. also almost all poly or open couples are first and foremost a couple as social anchor and then have different lines for how much is exclusive to their special relationship.
Vaush probably isn’t a good full time boyfriend and is insecure he could never be a good husband
His argument that monogamy = insecurity is as idiotic as that when conservatives arguing for capitalism saying being upset at differences in wealth is based on envy.
What casual hookup culture has been doing to society alone has changed my tune on poly vs monogamy. Sure its in our nature as Vaush says but giving into our base impulses can be even more destructive than the order we have created through societal normalities.
My question for Vaush would be “why even get into a open relationship if nothing has no meaning because you’re free to bond with everyone”
my take away from this vid is Vaush is insecure about losing an arguement with his chat (not saying its wrong) but its wrong.
I love how In one breath he’s saying being jealous and insecure isn’t bad it’s natural and in the other breath morally condemning people for their “weird socially ascribed ownership of their partners sexuality” someone’s bitter that his relationships don’t seem to work huh? Makes sense why he needs to sexually harass girls for attention
@@WarningBFG-isHiring good thing it’s up on the destiny vault
@@WarningBFG-isHiring If I'm not mistaken, didn't the woman (or women?) Vaush harassed say she (they?) didn't want Destiny to make video/go public with the accusations? If that's the case, I can see why he took the video down.
Thinking sex is special = internalized christian morality is the funniest take I've heard in a long time. Not to mention the equating biological/psychological processing of sex with bowling/hanging out with friends. Destiny please do more of these.
It’s not about sex, it’s about finding a partner to build a life, raise children, share resources etc.
do you have any non-spiritual and/or non-religiously motivated arguments that prove sex is anymore special than taking a shit?
@@redneckcommieit’s a very intense experience that tends to make people feel strong feelings towards each other as humans are social animals. Thus, it has psychologically more impact than taking a shit which makes it more special. If you want a moral argument I don’t have one because morality without the divine just boils down to socially advantageous behavior selected for by evolution which is not a source of authority and just a state of being.
@@badart3204He has a very superficial take on sex.
@@franzliszt4192 I don’t think he has ever had sex
It is so funny that he clearly uses the words like "jealousy" and "insecurity" with a negative connotation, while appealing to nature when saying that monogamy is just a silly social construct. I would say that feelings like jealousy are definitely found in human nature, so wouldn't loading the word with the negative tone be a result of some "weird social norm"? Gotta love the vman.
@@Jack91790 he's just saving face after being called out for loading his argument with moral judgements and then pretending that he didn't actually judge anybody personally
It was Destiny who applied the negative connotation🤷♀️🤦♀️
Bruh. You know what else was the natural state of human beings? Cracking our rivals head in with a big rock, that's what.
Seriously, I could never ever be polygamous. I can barely manage being monogamous.
Please more Destiny reacts to Vaush malding.
Yes I'm obsessed with people malding on the internet.
Malding is pretty fun to watch
Some men just wanna watch the world mald
thats pretty unhealthy :D
Destiny roasting Vaush is always top tier content especially because you know V man is hardcore malding over these
At least we know obsession is a component here....
Is there something else destiny does other than talking with Lauren southern and watching vaush?
*THIS JUST IN:* ALL SPORTS TEAMS ARE BORN OUT OF INSECURITY. ITS TOTALLY FINE IF YOU ENJOY BEING AN INSECURE BABY ON A SPORTS TEAM, AS LONG AS YOU AGREE THATS WHAT YOU ARE
from what my grandparents have told me of being raised in a village they were monogamous families. Its just there was also a communal effort to raise children both of these things exist tangentially to each other just fine and I think the idea that your sexual preference with partners informs how you raise children is stupid as fuck.
Vaush deserves his community. they are a reflection of himself.
Too weak-minded for a community, if you ask me.
@@Jack91790 Destiny's community is no where NEAR as bad as voosh
Vaush says he wants to get rid of the negative stigma of non-monogamous relationships but all he did was put negative stigma on monogamous relationships.😂
Ligma
As a socially conservative leftist this is my experience talking to other leftists about relationships, especially when so much about modern "poly" relationships are part of the hyper commodification of the human body in neoliberalism. IMO the left's position on marriage and families is as incoherent as right wingers who screech about the nuclear family but support austerity which hurts poor families.
Also they are unwilling to consider any of the negative mental health aspects that come with polyamory.
Most "sex positive" leftists from my experience seem to actually take offense, as though it's a personal slight, whenever anyone says positive things about monogamy or romantic live. Yet they consistently talk shit about other peoples' needs for a long term companion.
You're right,that was a very counterproductive way to get the point across
Ligmabaaaaaaaaalls
"Made airtight by big meaty chads" should be the new "intellectually outpaced" dono line.
Made airtight by big meaty chads.....in a video game bruh
If non-monogamy feels wrong to you, or just not something you want to do. You’re not insecure, it’s just not your cup of tea.
His whole argument also sounds like the stream of consciousness from someone who just had a girl tell him “My boyfriend doesn’t want me to talk to you.”
Vaush incapable of thinking he's a shit communicator, just blames chat for constantly 'misunderstanding', but who's the common denominator?
Both honestly, you can understand his arguement and still think its dumb. Chat is made up of thousands of people with different degrees of intellect.
@@TheKnizzine Nah, his word choice and tone of voice have tons of implications, but he'll fall back on 'when did I ever say those exact words?'
Yeah I swear I don't dislike Vaush, but I see him yell at and insult chat all the time, it's annoying
@@caesar8875 I sort of understood what he was saying he just dumb and doesn’t know the best way to say it. Plus he got to emotional at people’s questions.
Didn't Vaush complaining about Destiny banning everyone, yet here he is doing just that...?
Vaush loves to claim that other people do things, that he does himself
They both do it. When they are insecure ;)
he walked it back. he said he gets why destiny is so ban happy a little while ago.
@@theronerdithas2944 good thing being insecure is morally neutral huh
@@magica-missilegirls oh so he catched up to Destiny's take
The insecurity take dies pretty hard once you introduce children into the equation. You all the sudden have a large amount of reasons outside of "insecurity" to prove why monogamy might be an ok idea.
"What is drama but the anthropology of the present?"
Unironically a true statement.
I'm just waiting for Destiny to go on a dating show with Vaush
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Can’t wait in a couple of months when vaush magically has a take similar to destiny’s and moonwalks the fuck out of whatever he just said.
There should be a compilation of this.
Would require so much effort though
Real tawk
Vaush: I never said that.
*Gets shown archived video of the stream:* One of two things will happen.
A) He's since "evolved" or changed from that line of thinking.
Or,
B) The tried and tested "out of context" meme. Every time.
I don’t really have an issue with Vaush, but Destiny’s commentary on him is HILARIOUS. Some of the best content in politics.
Dont you know that he's a pedophile and a habitual liar.
@@avivastudios2311 he doesnt seem to be either of those things, he misrepresents things sometimes, but he generally seems to belive what hes saying. and the pedo thing was a meme, im sorry to break it too you.
Also, as someone who was cheated on (and subsequently got an STI), yes that’s 100% part of my motive for being monogamous. Fear of getting some bad STD or STI due to someone else’s irresponsibility is completely real and absolutely valid.
I also couldn’t handle being that intimate with more than one person, one partner is enough for me.
Sorry to hear that
Sorry to hear that
Someone else's irresponsibility??? Your irresponsibility put your partner in danger. You need to look inward my friend
@@millhousemillard2140 how was me being monogamous and not cheating irresponsible?
@@millhousemillard2140 lmfao, I totally put my partner in danger by her choosing to go outside our relationship with multiple people behind my back……… please tell me this is sarcasm.
Monogamy seems to be the best mating strategy for humans and for raising their offspring.
Much less so for men, it's more nuanced for men
for women and this is coming from a guy that has a monogamy kink . Men who control a lot of power in a hierarchal societies tend to polygamous .
going from the take at 11:13 to the take at 19:53 is one of the funniest whiplashes i’ve seen Vaush in
Fucking hell. Vaush is literally a walking contradiction here
Jesus Christ who takes this guy seriously
@From The Southside i made a meme out of it on my channel, you can jack it if you want lmao. I don’t use reddit but I bet it would do well there
Hahahaha!
wait wait wait... you could EASILY rationalize an open relationship as being insecure. you are too afraid to lose X person so you let them do whatever they want so they stay with you.
(i think its BS to say either is about insecurity but the point stands)
I feel like there's a great amount of irony in making such a stand on monogamy being a system of insecurity, when non-monogomy will cause insecurity in most all humans.
I'll never let my kids go bowling with Vaush.
😂😂😂
Vaush proves that his take is based on facts and logic and not insecurity by banning everyone that disagrees with his opinion, truly he has outpaced Destiny intellectually.
That also proves he’s a true socialist
"Monogamy is equivalent to keeping your SO from talking to coworkers or leaving the house"
20 seconds later
"There's nothing wrong with you personally choosing to be monogamous"
I stg EVERY poly person I know has had some massive clusterfuck of bitterness and jealousy break out in their relationships. I dunno how anyone thinks that's the default state.
I imagine that would be the incentive for socially constructing and reinforcing monogamy.
I stg EVERY monogamous person I know has had some massive clusterfuck of bitterness and jealous break out in their relationships. I dunno how anyone thinks that's the default state. Bitch~
@@AA-rh5ee That's exactly what Vowsh was saying throughout the video so I don't know why you felt the need to repeat it lol.
I was just countering that by pointing out the extremely frequent problems I've observed in non-monogamous relationships that largely arise because it turns out sex isn't really as simple as just fucking for most people. For many people it is an extremely personal experience, bordering on the spiritual in the right circumstances.
@@AA-rh5ee Yes, but Vaush acts as though polyamory is above that and that monogamous people are solely the ones who are jealous and entitled (32:10) because monogamy cultivates insecurity, op is just stating that it's not exclusive to monogamy and should therefore not be bashed for that reason.
@@AA-rh5ee Dont lie. You know plenty of happy monogamous couples.
The “issues” left / right Twitter talks about vs what people actually care about irl is telling.
Gotta love how anytime someone pushes the whole idea that "monogamy is for selfish and insecure people" they always only ever talk about their partner, but conveniently leave out the part about how the proponent wants to have multiple partners.
I wonder, if someone were to claim that an individual's preference for non-monogamy was a sign that they were inherently less content with their lives than monogamous people and that's why they need more outside/intermittent sources of pleasure, would Vaush claim that I was assigning inherently negative traits to non-monagamous people?
If he did I would need to point out that discontentment is in fact just normal part of life, not inherently good or bad, and in no way am I suggesting that someone who is discontent is inherently worse off than someone who is content.
Based beyond belief
I feel like you've outpaced him. Intellectually.
I am amazed Vaush can find more then one person who is interested in him. The way he talks reminds of all the annoying pseudo intellectuals I went to school with...the elitist tone he has in his voice is what I am talking about.
LOL I think Vaush is confusing the difference between mutually choosing to be monogamous and locking women in your basement.
There is an important distinction between having an open relationship and being polymerous.
It will be interesting to see if Vaush is going to make this distinction.
Here's my prediction. He'll walk back on it, or, says that he was taken out of context.
Again.