The fact that a light weight stainless barrel at what many people claim/consider double the life of the barrel STILL out shot a brand new Anderson barrel is telling, both about the quality of both barrels and about the actual realistic lifespan on a bare stainless barrel. But that throat erosion...damn. looking forward to the SOLGW test.
Yeah, it has held up better than I thought it would... Especially considering the throat erosion. Velocity is down about 100fps... I should have mentioned that in the video. Yeah the SOLGW barrel is pretty interesting with the polygonal rifling. I'm excited to see how that works out.
I absolutely love the effort you put in to minimize the amount of outside factors that would influence your results. Often times when people are testing accuracy I am left unconvinced because of how anecdotal and subjective the data seems to be. Amazing job
Thanks man!! Yeah, I got tired of looking at accuracy test videos of 5 shot groups with the shooter casting doubt on at least one of the shots, calling it a "flyer" after they saw where it impacted. Anyway, thanks for the support!
@@PrestonJMoore Would love to see a test from Black River Tactical or a new Criterion but would also like to see Geissle, Larue, and DD. Hope your channel gains some traction so you can do more barrels.
Listen, sir, no other videos appeal to my need for detail like your videos. My heart rate increases, out of excitement, every time you post a new video. This is great content. Please continue.
Thank you VERY much!! The response to these videos has been far greater than I anticipated. And I really do appreciate your (and everyone else's) support!! I got some more videos in the works and I hope to have a more frequent upload schedule (2 per month, maybe). These videos take a bit of effort and funds to make so, hopefully I can figure out a way to keep this thing going. Thanks again!!!
These tests are so in depth, yet easy to watch and understand. You really do an amazing job Preston. I always questioned the cryogenic treated barrel value myself. That said, a guy I know is a high level operator for a three letter agency. He swears by the cryo treated barrels. Thanks for sharing and of course all your time and effort. Happy Holidays.
Thank you so much for making these videos! I'd love to see a series where you shoot out a barrel and check in on it throughout its lifespan. Something like barely broken in, 5,000 rounds later, and 10,000 rounds later with a retrospective, to see how the barrel wore over time. Preferably a barrel you prefer to use!
Definitely!! That is the plan, to carefully document the lifespan of a barrel from new till 10k. I just need to figure out a way to fund the ammo costs...
I have not had a great experience with BA barrels. I've done a video on the one that I own (16" Hanson). The profile is nice. But, I wasn't too impressed with the accuracy, although it did shoot PMC better than expected. I did order another BA barrel a while ago, and had to return it because it had a blemish in the rifling near the crown. Then, the one that they replaced it with failed a No-Go headspace gauge (it didn't fail a Field gauge, which is the one that really matters). So, I ended up returning that one too. So, yeah, I haven't had the best experience with them. But, they are priced competitively and some people out there seem to like them.
I have another video on a Rosco Purebred barrel. I thought the accuracy was really good for the price. It's a 416R Stainless barrel. So, the longevity might not be the best, and I haven't tried their K9 series of barrels (nitrided) yet, but they might be one to look into.
Odd question. Have you ever done a barrel nut or muzzle device torque tune test? You mention that you torque the barrel nuts to 40 ft/lbs, wasn't sure if there's a reason you picked 40 or if torque tuning in an AR makes any measurable difference, or...? Also, this would be a great video for you to do if you're ever up for it. Maybe when you get a new barrel broken in. Haven't found anyone actually doing a torque tune test in an AR on camera.
I have not done that type of testing on or off camera. My suspicion is that it won't do anything meaningful in the context that I use my AR's. Although I think it would be interesting to look into it. So, it's on the list of things to do. The reason why I specifically state the barrel nut torque value in the video is just to be more transparent, in case anyone has a question about it.
@@PrestonJMoore Yeah, just wasn't sure why you picked 40 as opposed to another torque value. I saw a video from a service rifle match "guru" years ago that said that he does it to all of his match ARs for the barrel nut and flash hider. I'm sure it does something, just not sure how much it does, and I've never gotten around to testing it. needless to say it sounds like a pain in the butt. You need a vise at the range, all the equipment to pull the barrel, shoot a group, take it down, change torque 5 or 10 lbs, reassemble, shoot a group, repeat as needed till you find the best torque window. Then test torque in that window to find the sweet spot. Then repeat on the muzzle device(sounds like less of a pain). If it tightens groups 0.5 moa or more repeatably, I'd say it's worth burning a day and a bunch of ammo. If it tightens it 0.125 moa or less, it's not worth it outside of precision competition. Only 1 way to find out I guess.
I have a 16” White Oak Armament SPR barrel that I’d love to see your assessment on. It’s got about 3k rounds though it. Mid-length gas and a 1/7 twist.
The correct TDP Colt go gauge for a 5.56 chamber is 1.4646, the no go is 1.4706 and the field gauge is 1.4736 Forester gauges tend to be .002 to .003 longer than Pacific tool and gauge head space gauges. PTG gauges are more accurate.
@@PrestonJMoore I have the PTG 11 piece incremental head space gauge set..It has been indispensable for giving the exact headspace of barrels. A PTG function gauge is another must have for testing barrel chambers that may have a tight chamber. If the barrel fails the function gauge, it gets sent back immediately. I had them custom made with a removable long handle so it is easier to check barrels all ready mounted on an upper.
@@RangeKimTactical yeah, I’d definitely do some mk12 testing!! Not sure when I’ll be getting a barrel, but yeah, getting some longer barrels in would be fun
I will be doing an accuracy test on a new SOLGW SPR barrel in the next 2 months or sooner. But, no promises on getting it to 10,000 rounds any time soon... unless the ammo fairy pays me a visit
I'd love to see a video where instead of changing ammo, you change muzzle devices. Bare muzzle, A2, muzzle brake, heavier muzzle brake, suppressor. Maybe test it on a lighter barrel
@@aaron.from.winchester6744 yup, the barrel is certainly still useful for certain applications. I should have mentioned this in the video, but the velocity has also dropped off a bit, which may affect some people’s opinion of if they still want to use it. When would you retire a barrel?
You definitely need a new mic because my autism was trying override my guntism, but I'm sure you already noticed the sound with your impressive attention to detail!. Love the content! Did you follow the Criterion barrel 200 rd break in procedure? Or should I stick to the 1, 3, 3, 6 breakin for most AR's.
Thanks! Yeah, getting a new mic is on the to-do list... Along with a bunch of other equipment, but, paying for it all is the tricky part.. With this barrel, to be honest, I am not sure if I did a barrel break-in. JP does have a barrel break-in procedure posted on TH-cam, I think. In my opinion, for an AR, I don't think they are accurate enough for a barrel break-in to really do anything. It may possibly help with cleaning, according to some. But anyway, nowadays I just do whatever the barrel manufacturer recommends, just so they can't blame it on me, if there is a problem with the barrel.
@@PrestonJMoore thanks for your response! I just got my first AR, an Ox Firearms Trollen with a Chrome Criterion barrel that's was brand new from a guy who ordered it and promptly died of cancer. It was sitting on consignment for $1680 out the door two weeks ago. Now I'm gonna build it and train with it in honor of my camp lejuene uncle who passed from his cancer on Saturday. Your content helped me relax and get through some of the grief. It's really appreciated. You might have to start pick up a side bartending gig to support your research! 😂 Kidding, just keep at it and I know this type of content has a large fanbase. Just look at Perun's geopolitics channel mostly about supply logistics! I will definitely join your Patreon when I can. You should definitely do a list of entry level equipment that's better than the average shooter, durable, and what's worth spending on/cheaping out on. It's easy to get lost in unity risers/knockoffs, elcans, acogs, lvpo, red dots, and etc and not sure where the best money is spent besides training with the rifle and the cheapest T10 or Amazon prism that gets you out on the range fastest and finding you're the weakest part of the AR system. 😂
In addition to mean radius, have you considered extrapolating from your 30 round group the probability of a shot landing within x distance of the POA? Ex: "With this particular load and barrel, there is a 68% chance that any given shot will hit within 0.5 MOA from point of aim, 87% that it will be within 1 MOA, 95% within 1.5 MOA, and 99.7% within 2 MOA." Your sample size is large enough to give meaningful data, and I think conceptualizing the precision of a rifle in terms of probabilities helps one better intuit how that precision translates to accuracy in the field. This is similar to the concept of Circular Error Probability that militaries use to measure the characteristics of bomb distributions and the dispersion of missles and artillery. Love the channel. Your meticulousness and data analysis is second to none. Thanks for everything you do and for sharing it with us!
Thanks for the feedback!! I like the idea!! I had been thinking of a way to communicate to the audience that even a less accurate barrel can still hit a small target… just not all the time. But, yeah, I think doing a calculation as you described would be pretty helpful and put things into a context that are easy to understand. Thanks for your support!! Hopefully I will be able to work that into the next video.
but bro, what was this barrel's initial performance? in conclusion, did you experience a performance loss? sorry if i missed it, which is likely since you covered basically all the bases. other than that, amazing video and format my guy. 🤌
Thanks for the compliment!! The barrel did definitely lose some performance. It was 6 year ago when I initially grouped the barrel, and I was doing 10-shot groups back then. So, I don't remember the exact performance, and I didn't save the targets. So, I didn't really want to guess and put that on video. But, if I had to take a guess, I think the barrel was doing 10-shot groups just over an inch or so. But that could be wrong, as I don't perfectly remember. I can definitely say that it was shooting tighter than it is now. There has also been a loss of velocity. Compared to a new 14.5" that I shot, one of the loads was 100 fps slower, I think.
This is the most detailed accuracy test on TH-cam. Finally some 30 shot groups!
The fact that a light weight stainless barrel at what many people claim/consider double the life of the barrel STILL out shot a brand new Anderson barrel is telling, both about the quality of both barrels and about the actual realistic lifespan on a bare stainless barrel. But that throat erosion...damn. looking forward to the SOLGW test.
Yeah, it has held up better than I thought it would... Especially considering the throat erosion. Velocity is down about 100fps... I should have mentioned that in the video.
Yeah the SOLGW barrel is pretty interesting with the polygonal rifling. I'm excited to see how that works out.
I absolutely love the effort you put in to minimize the amount of outside factors that would influence your results. Often times when people are testing accuracy I am left unconvinced because of how anecdotal and subjective the data seems to be. Amazing job
Thanks man!! Yeah, I got tired of looking at accuracy test videos of 5 shot groups with the shooter casting doubt on at least one of the shots, calling it a "flyer" after they saw where it impacted.
Anyway, thanks for the support!
You have by far the best accuracy testing for any barrel testing on youtube. Thank you
Thanks man!! I really appreciate that.
@@PrestonJMoore Would love to see a test from Black River Tactical or a new Criterion but would also like to see Geissle, Larue, and DD. Hope your channel gains some traction so you can do more barrels.
Listen, sir, no other videos appeal to my need for detail like your videos. My heart rate increases, out of excitement, every time you post a new video. This is great content. Please continue.
Thank you VERY much!! The response to these videos has been far greater than I anticipated. And I really do appreciate your (and everyone else's) support!! I got some more videos in the works and I hope to have a more frequent upload schedule (2 per month, maybe). These videos take a bit of effort and funds to make so, hopefully I can figure out a way to keep this thing going. Thanks again!!!
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No. It’s admiration and appreciation. Love would not be the appropriate disposition of the will in this case.
@@joshuamiguez8119 You must be a good drama queen in school.
Wow, you don't mess around. No nonsense, no speculation and tons of useful info. This is the best test video I've seen.
Thanks man! That's what I am aiming for, real data that is useful to the viewer.
This is become one of my favorite YT gun channel
Thank you for doing these, your format is my benchmark for any "serious" accuracy testing on youtube.
@@NULL_SIGNAL thanks for the support!!
Thanks again, another detailed and concise video. Been hoping to see you put out another barrel test- keep it up, the format is great.
These tests are so in depth, yet easy to watch and understand. You really do an amazing job Preston. I always questioned the cryogenic treated barrel value myself. That said, a guy I know is a high level operator for a three letter agency. He swears by the cryo treated barrels. Thanks for sharing and of course all your time and effort. Happy Holidays.
Thanks man, I appreciate you watching and the support!
Thank you so much for making these videos! I'd love to see a series where you shoot out a barrel and check in on it throughout its lifespan. Something like barely broken in, 5,000 rounds later, and 10,000 rounds later with a retrospective, to see how the barrel wore over time. Preferably a barrel you prefer to use!
Definitely!! That is the plan, to carefully document the lifespan of a barrel from new till 10k. I just need to figure out a way to fund the ammo costs...
Another great video, some awesome data. Thanks
These videos are so informative, thank you.
Crazy good content, no other guntuber goes this in depth into a barrel excluding SOTAR.
Thanks!!! I would like to get some chamber function gauges, but, turns out, those things are a bit pricey.
Awesome content! I’m surprised it held up that well. Really appreciate the data.
Yeah, I think it did pretty good, all things considered. Thanks for the support!
Holy shit the GOAT is back!
Ha, nice!!! Sorry for the long wait between videos, it won't be as long for the next ones coming out.
I’m sensing an engineering background here. Excellent data. Solid method. Convincing results
You are the guy my friends who dont spend on good components AND don't shoot think they are
Excellent format and information
Appreciate that! Glad you like the video format.
The Data God is back!
Your videos are so good bro, so much good information
Really appreciate the feedback, glad you're enjoying the content!
Great stats and organization!
Thanks for another outstanding video
Thoughts on Ballistic Advantage barrels? I run them in all my AR's and was curious to see if there was a better option out there.
I have not had a great experience with BA barrels. I've done a video on the one that I own (16" Hanson). The profile is nice. But, I wasn't too impressed with the accuracy, although it did shoot PMC better than expected.
I did order another BA barrel a while ago, and had to return it because it had a blemish in the rifling near the crown. Then, the one that they replaced it with failed a No-Go headspace gauge (it didn't fail a Field gauge, which is the one that really matters). So, I ended up returning that one too. So, yeah, I haven't had the best experience with them. But, they are priced competitively and some people out there seem to like them.
Great video. In your opinion what is the best bang for the buck 556/223w barrel? With just accuracy and barrel life being the main focus.
I have another video on a Rosco Purebred barrel. I thought the accuracy was really good for the price. It's a 416R Stainless barrel. So, the longevity might not be the best, and I haven't tried their K9 series of barrels (nitrided) yet, but they might be one to look into.
Great video thanks, could you please mention the accelerometer you used?
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Very interesting video thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is outstanding.
Odd question. Have you ever done a barrel nut or muzzle device torque tune test? You mention that you torque the barrel nuts to 40 ft/lbs, wasn't sure if there's a reason you picked 40 or if torque tuning in an AR makes any measurable difference, or...? Also, this would be a great video for you to do if you're ever up for it. Maybe when you get a new barrel broken in. Haven't found anyone actually doing a torque tune test in an AR on camera.
I have not done that type of testing on or off camera. My suspicion is that it won't do anything meaningful in the context that I use my AR's. Although I think it would be interesting to look into it. So, it's on the list of things to do.
The reason why I specifically state the barrel nut torque value in the video is just to be more transparent, in case anyone has a question about it.
@@PrestonJMoore Yeah, just wasn't sure why you picked 40 as opposed to another torque value. I saw a video from a service rifle match "guru" years ago that said that he does it to all of his match ARs for the barrel nut and flash hider. I'm sure it does something, just not sure how much it does, and I've never gotten around to testing it. needless to say it sounds like a pain in the butt. You need a vise at the range, all the equipment to pull the barrel, shoot a group, take it down, change torque 5 or 10 lbs, reassemble, shoot a group, repeat as needed till you find the best torque window. Then test torque in that window to find the sweet spot. Then repeat on the muzzle device(sounds like less of a pain). If it tightens groups 0.5 moa or more repeatably, I'd say it's worth burning a day and a bunch of ammo. If it tightens it 0.125 moa or less, it's not worth it outside of precision competition. Only 1 way to find out I guess.
I have a 16” White Oak Armament SPR barrel that I’d love to see your assessment on. It’s got about 3k rounds though it. Mid-length gas and a 1/7 twist.
@@aidenhall9832 WOA seems to have a very good reputation. I’d love to get my hands on one and see what those barrels are able to do!!
@ I can send you mine. It just sitting about.
@ that’d be great!! You can send me an email (prestonjmoore2 at gmail) and hopefully we can work something out. Thanks!!!
The correct TDP Colt go gauge for a 5.56 chamber is 1.4646, the no go is 1.4706 and the field gauge is 1.4736
Forester gauges tend to be .002 to .003 longer than Pacific tool and gauge head space gauges. PTG gauges are more accurate.
Thanks!! I have some PTG gauges on my to-get list. But, it might be a minute before I get them.
@@PrestonJMoore I have the PTG 11 piece incremental head space gauge set..It has been indispensable for giving the exact headspace of barrels.
A PTG function gauge is another must have for testing barrel chambers that may have a tight chamber. If the barrel fails the function gauge, it gets sent back immediately. I had them custom made with a removable long handle so it is easier to check barrels all ready mounted on an upper.
@@hairydogstail Nice!!! Those are some nice tools and I am sure they come in handy. Hopefully I'll be able to afford some one of these days.
Subbed and liked! Would you do mk12 18” barrel testing? PRI Douglas barrel vs Centurion vs High Caliber Sales vs BCM, etc. 🎉
@@RangeKimTactical yeah, I’d definitely do some mk12 testing!! Not sure when I’ll be getting a barrel, but yeah, getting some longer barrels in would be fun
You and Delta34 are kings.
Honored to be mentioned in the same breath as Delta34. His editing skills are ridiculous and his content 🤌
please do a test like this on the SOLGW SPR barrel!
I will be doing an accuracy test on a new SOLGW SPR barrel in the next 2 months or sooner. But, no promises on getting it to 10,000 rounds any time soon... unless the ammo fairy pays me a visit
Sick man
It would be interesting to see how a PWS system would fare, they guarantee sub moa with their barrels
@@bronsondille254 yeah, I would like to eventually try some non-DI (external piston) guns to see if there is a big difference
And this is why you can’t shoot 3 or 5 shots and call it a group! Where did you get that bag rider? Great Job!
LJW Precision. It's a nice piece and helps out a lot for stuff like this.
I'd love to see a video where instead of changing ammo, you change muzzle devices. Bare muzzle, A2, muzzle brake, heavier muzzle brake, suppressor. Maybe test it on a lighter barrel
7:16 Glad to see this barrel is sub-MOA! 😉
The rest of those shots were me just getting settled in. Sub MOA all day when I do my part. Just don't mind those other flyers 🤣
tekton makes some good torque ratchets for the money
Algorithm comment keep up the good work sir!
Thanks, man! I appreciate it!
I can lend you a BRT and a Rainer select barrel if you want to do episodes on them
That would be great!! You can send an email PrestonJMoore2 gmail
I have some jp barrels, and the are very accurate, and after a lot off shots the stil shoot very good with 55 grain vmax . Not with factory ammo.
Nice. I never shot 55gr V-Max out of this barrel. If I get another one, I'll have to try it out.
@@PrestonJMoore think it has to do with the fact it is a flatbase bullet. That it is more accurate in a shot out barrel.
I just wanna know how you did all of that in excel
I ended up randomly taking an excel class in college for an elective... It ended up being more useful than I ever would have thought at the time.
@PrestonJMoore as someone in the financial side of things I wish id paid more attention in that basic Ms office class in hotel school...
Recognized the thumbnail from reddit (i think)
@@Abbynorml1979 yup, same guy. I figure the folks over there would be interested in this as well
Nice
Personally, I would say that bbl is still good to go. It depends on what your standards are.
@@aaron.from.winchester6744 yup, the barrel is certainly still useful for certain applications. I should have mentioned this in the video, but the velocity has also dropped off a bit, which may affect some people’s opinion of if they still want to use it.
When would you retire a barrel?
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You definitely need a new mic because my autism was trying override my guntism, but I'm sure you already noticed the sound with your impressive attention to detail!. Love the content!
Did you follow the Criterion barrel 200 rd break in procedure? Or should I stick to the 1, 3, 3, 6 breakin for most AR's.
Thanks! Yeah, getting a new mic is on the to-do list... Along with a bunch of other equipment, but, paying for it all is the tricky part..
With this barrel, to be honest, I am not sure if I did a barrel break-in. JP does have a barrel break-in procedure posted on TH-cam, I think.
In my opinion, for an AR, I don't think they are accurate enough for a barrel break-in to really do anything. It may possibly help with cleaning, according to some. But anyway, nowadays I just do whatever the barrel manufacturer recommends, just so they can't blame it on me, if there is a problem with the barrel.
@@PrestonJMoore thanks for your response! I just got my first AR, an Ox Firearms Trollen with a Chrome Criterion barrel that's was brand new from a guy who ordered it and promptly died of cancer. It was sitting on consignment for $1680 out the door two weeks ago. Now I'm gonna build it and train with it in honor of my camp lejuene uncle who passed from his cancer on Saturday.
Your content helped me relax and get through some of the grief. It's really appreciated.
You might have to start pick up a side bartending gig to support your research! 😂 Kidding, just keep at it and I know this type of content has a large fanbase. Just look at Perun's geopolitics channel mostly about supply logistics! I will definitely join your Patreon when I can.
You should definitely do a list of entry level equipment that's better than the average shooter, durable, and what's worth spending on/cheaping out on. It's easy to get lost in unity risers/knockoffs, elcans, acogs, lvpo, red dots, and etc and not sure where the best money is spent besides training with the rifle and the cheapest T10 or Amazon prism that gets you out on the range fastest and finding you're the weakest part of the AR system. 😂
End of that barrel must be heating up since it's tthinnest there
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a chamber chiller? what in the helllllllllllllllllllllllll
It beats waiting 30 minutes between strings to let the barrel cool off by itself.
@@PrestonJMoore Yeah. The tech you're using is awesome, just super impressed.
In addition to mean radius, have you considered extrapolating from your 30 round group the probability of a shot landing within x distance of the POA?
Ex: "With this particular load and barrel, there is a 68% chance that any given shot will hit within 0.5 MOA from point of aim, 87% that it will be within 1 MOA, 95% within 1.5 MOA, and 99.7% within 2 MOA."
Your sample size is large enough to give meaningful data, and I think conceptualizing the precision of a rifle in terms of probabilities helps one better intuit how that precision translates to accuracy in the field. This is similar to the concept of Circular Error Probability that militaries use to measure the characteristics of bomb distributions and the dispersion of missles and artillery.
Love the channel. Your meticulousness and data analysis is second to none. Thanks for everything you do and for sharing it with us!
Thanks for the feedback!! I like the idea!! I had been thinking of a way to communicate to the audience that even a less accurate barrel can still hit a small target… just not all the time. But, yeah, I think doing a calculation as you described would be pretty helpful and put things into a context that are easy to understand.
Thanks for your support!! Hopefully I will be able to work that into the next video.
@@PrestonJMoore Appreciate the kind words! Looking forward to your future videos!
Can you talk any faster?
@@ironsights1809 I get excited talking about data
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i wish i had the money to be this autistic about guns
If your barrel gets that fucked up after 10k rounds, you bought a crap built barrel and don't clean for shit.
@@UtubeH8tr how many rounds would you expect out of a barrel for it to be in this condition?
Yeah. That barrel is cooked.
but bro, what was this barrel's initial performance? in conclusion, did you experience a performance loss? sorry if i missed it, which is likely since you covered basically all the bases. other than that, amazing video and format my guy. 🤌
Thanks for the compliment!! The barrel did definitely lose some performance. It was 6 year ago when I initially grouped the barrel, and I was doing 10-shot groups back then. So, I don't remember the exact performance, and I didn't save the targets. So, I didn't really want to guess and put that on video. But, if I had to take a guess, I think the barrel was doing 10-shot groups just over an inch or so. But that could be wrong, as I don't perfectly remember. I can definitely say that it was shooting tighter than it is now. There has also been a loss of velocity. Compared to a new 14.5" that I shot, one of the loads was 100 fps slower, I think.