this DCT box is extremely economical - 7 speed perfect for 1,5l (118kw) petrol does exactly what I expected and with 10k per year I hope it can do 15 years
I couldn't care less about faster shift times, or the minute fuel savings. I just want something that isn't going to fail prematurely and cost more to repair than a conventional transmission. These seem like trouble just waiting to happen from what I've seen and heard.
Are these bad like the ford focus and fiesta cars? My mom has a 2017 Ford Focus that shifts from 1st to 2nd like a margarita... it's terrible. And reverse sounds like loose metal grinding
I'm having a big trouble with this brand new DCT In a kia ceed 2020. Switching to 2nd gear makes the car brake before entering the gear making a loud sound and sometimes 2nd gear disappear. Uphill or downhill the problem get worst and more dangerous. Now my brand new vehicle is in charge by Kia but after 10 days of work, they were not able to make it work properly. We'll see how long it will take to find the issue... I bought kia for reliability, maybe I have no luck with this brand...
DCT in this cars is a nightmare. Wait until it is out of warranty. Wallet breaker. Constant service visits, so many things can go wrong, from clutch to computer, then you have oil changes.... I have sold mine after 2 years, and go back to manual, no problems since. And they advertise better fuel economy, and I have proven myself that manual is at least 0.5 liters better than DCT.
@@Gr3eGo So I have a Kia Cerato GT or what the American Market would consider the Kia Forte GT2 Package. Dual Clutch 1.6 Turbo. Owned it for 2 years now and love everything about it. Not once has it missed a shift or felt slow, especially once you have driven the car for about 10 mins, it gets warmed up and the shifts are lightening quick. I honestly think every manufacturer produces lemons...
Will it have the same fate like Ford DSG and Ford Dual clutch type? Broken in less than most conventional torque-converter fluid-coupling transmission?
@@ericdolby1622 good for you. Time and statistics will tell, how far it can go, definitely not as strong as regular torque converter from Hyundai or Aisin.
@@ericdolby1622 I have 480k miles on my Camry 2002, and still shift better than rented VW polo 2018 I ever tried, just weird manual transmission behaviour. If you drive a lot in heavy traffic with creeping speed, it ride on clutch and will wear much faster. Just like what manual transmission normally do. A good advice, enjoy it while it is still good and dump it when it started acting up like the 60k miles Polo TDI I rented regularly, it start heavy vibrating on light load.
@@-xYz--nk1gm exactly, that's why it last 3 generations. Dual clutch will be destroyed in city traffic, creeping in hills at low speed, and whenever the clutch is being rubbed at low creeping speed.
I bought my 2020 Kia Forte GT December 2019, by November 2020 I started noticing jerking, and what felt like slipping of the transmission in bumper to bumper traffic, also when putting car in drive after a cold start. (Yes I do let my vehicle warm before driving) Dealer told me that is normal, but to someone who is used to a traditional transmission, it was very far from normal 😂 I still own mine with 77k miles and it’s not as good as they make it out to be smh 🤦🏻♂️ Fyi make sure to change your transmission fluid every 30-40k miles, the ole Kia Warranty won’t cover repairs if maintenance wasn’t preformed to their standard (or so I’ve been told)….. While I will say it is quite fast. I am nervous of premature wear and tear to the transmission especially if you drive your car hard!
@@TedTedness-wu4vb Make sure its under warranty. I have a 2017 forte5 an my trans blew 3 months after and the Cali Kia dealership wanted 11k for all the repairs. I wish I was being dramatic but I went to a transmission shop and picked up a used trans with labor only costed 3k
I'm a kia car owner but not this dct ones , been rebuilding and repairing this transmission from client's who has only 28K on it's reading as always. Why is it so early for this types of transmission to be damage?
@J Can du The same is true for regular manual transmissions as well, yet people routinely get 110,000-160,000 miles out them. The problem isn't partial slip. It is how the transmission is designed and programmed. The logic and actuation don't match up with a skilled manual transmission driver. Sure, it's quicker but not as talented.
Yo SUFRO en España desde noviembre de 2017 este cambio de 7 marchas con doble embrague en mi Kia Optima (K5) y digo sufro porque ya estoy mas que harto de que ekl coche suba la cuesta de salida del garage y salga de los semaforos dando saltos y temblores de una forma inusual y ademas totalmente aleatoria (ramdom) cuando quiere sale normal y cuando no quiere sale a trompicones. Ahora ya llevo 42.000 Km. pero enpezo a hacerlo con menos de 20.000 Km.. Aqui en España la marca da 7 años de garantia,, lo he llevado al tallere oficial varias veces para revisiones etc.... y todos lo digo, pero siempre ( casualidad de la Ley de Murphy ) en el taller no les salen los retemblores ni los saltos y me dicen que lo lleve en el momento mismo que me lo haga, pero...... nunca me lo hace cerca del taller (lo tengo a varios Km. de mis rutas normales) . Estoy mas que harto del maldito KIA con tanta tecnologia de Mierda. Antes que este tuve un Mercedes W 210 E 300 TD con convertidor de par al que le hice, en 18 años que lo tuve, mas de 300.000 Km. sin problema alguno, simplemente llevando el mantenimiento tan estrictamente como con este; pero claro era un Mercedes y no una M ... de KIA.
@@Shimabuku why? Because you are comparing this to the manual shifting system? Like "the always pressed clutch pedal"? Do you really think the actuators not switching to Neutral shift every time you stop? Really??
DCT really is a great concept. My only real complaint is with the dry clutches. Many manufacturers such as Audi, VW, etc, use multi disc wet clutches which is far and away a better design. The next problem is is that like anything automotive, they design it as light and cheaply as possible. This design has the capability to be immensely durable, without adding a whole lot of weight, but they'll save $10 per transmission, which will cost you a new transmission in the medium to long run.
These 7sp DCT Transmissions are JUNK! Thank goodness that KIA woke up & took them out of the Seltos & others & in the Seltos they put in a Regular 8sp Transmission.
Ya no doubt. I have a 22 kia forte gt and my dct was replaced 3 times under warranty already. About to be replaced a 4th time as it's slipping and shifting funny again
@@delaneyschafer2110any details of what keeps going wrong? Mine is only at 42000km and it just stopped going into reverse (after making some odd shifts going forward / complete lack of moving forward for a bit). I’m thinking it’s the TCU but yeah, hoping it’s not going to be a warranty fight
@HannahFortalezza the first two times was just premature wear of the clutch packs. I'm not sure if it was the ecu shifting funny and wearing it out or what. Then the third time the actuators broke, so it was stuck in gear. After that, they replaced the whole transmission under warranty. They put the updated 2023 model dct in, and it's been much better, but far from perfect. It'll still slip and shift funny from time to time. But I put almost 100k km on this transmission now, so it appears to be holding up. And I wouldn't worry about the warranty. As long as your car is stock they won't hassle you about it.
It is not beautiful as they shown. Premature wear in dual clutch, and generates high temperature ruined the transmition and vehicle owners economy. Find solution for those problems first. Customers refuse dual clutch transmition because they have to spend big money to repair dual clutch system rather than fual saving.
@@almostgeeek2773 The 2016-2018 Tucson were one of the first to have the DCT and they were a complete failure! Hyundai issued a recall for a software update and I hear many complaints about the 7-speed DCT stalling, overheating (since it's a dry clutch, not a wet clutch), and hesitating. Hopefully, Hyundai/Kia resolved this in their new 8-speed DCT which is a wet clutch
this DCT box is extremely economical - 7 speed perfect for 1,5l (118kw) petrol does exactly what I expected and with 10k per year I hope it can do 15 years
I couldn't care less about faster shift times, or the minute fuel savings. I just want something that isn't going to fail prematurely and cost more to repair than a conventional transmission. These seem like trouble just waiting to happen from what I've seen and heard.
The internet is replete with complaints about this gearbox failing after minimal mileage.
lol, I’m trying to find out common failure modes of them as mine has just failed with 42000km on the clock.
I believe it’s the TCU
Are these bad like the ford focus and fiesta cars? My mom has a 2017 Ford Focus that shifts from 1st to 2nd like a margarita... it's terrible. And reverse sounds like loose metal grinding
No. Kia engineered it correctly
Same with fiesta. Say no to dct
I really hope not
No my aunt has a 2016 Kia Optima lx turbo witch has this transmission she has now 160k miles so far so good
@@luism8612 highway mileages AND during NON-rush hours
I'm having a big trouble with this brand new DCT In a kia ceed 2020. Switching to 2nd gear makes the car brake before entering the gear making a loud sound and sometimes 2nd gear disappear. Uphill or downhill the problem get worst and more dangerous. Now my brand new vehicle is in charge by Kia but after 10 days of work, they were not able to make it work properly. We'll see how long it will take to find the issue... I bought kia for reliability, maybe I have no luck with this brand...
DCT in this cars is a nightmare. Wait until it is out of warranty. Wallet breaker. Constant service visits, so many things can go wrong, from clutch to computer, then you have oil changes.... I have sold mine after 2 years, and go back to manual, no problems since. And they advertise better fuel economy, and I have proven myself that manual is at least 0.5 liters better than DCT.
@@Gr3eGo kia changed whole clutch and two synchronizers in the gearbox. It sounds likes it is repaired... Maybe not we will see in two months...
the geartrains second synchronizer on the helical shaft grinds on every 3rd teeth.
@@almostgeeek2773 So, what's the new status on the gearbox? Does it still have issues?
@@Gr3eGo So I have a Kia Cerato GT or what the American Market would consider the Kia Forte GT2 Package. Dual Clutch 1.6 Turbo. Owned it for 2 years now and love everything about it. Not once has it missed a shift or felt slow, especially once you have driven the car for about 10 mins, it gets warmed up and the shifts are lightening quick. I honestly think every manufacturer produces lemons...
The dct is only paired with the 1.6l not the 2.4 or the 2.o found in the SX turbo and LX they still use the traditional 6 speed for the 2020 models
Maintenance cost for dct
Is D2 jump to D4,D4 jump to D6 will occur.
Will it have the same fate like Ford DSG and Ford Dual clutch type? Broken in less than most conventional torque-converter fluid-coupling transmission?
No it will not. I have 70k on my soul.
@@ericdolby1622 good for you. Time and statistics will tell, how far it can go, definitely not as strong as regular torque converter from Hyundai or Aisin.
@@ericdolby1622 I have 480k miles on my Camry 2002, and still shift better than rented VW polo 2018 I ever tried, just weird manual transmission behaviour. If you drive a lot in heavy traffic with creeping speed, it ride on clutch and will wear much faster. Just like what manual transmission normally do. A good advice, enjoy it while it is still good and dump it when it started acting up like the 60k miles Polo TDI I rented regularly, it start heavy vibrating on light load.
@@rondhole but your camry doesn't have a dct double clutch gearbox, you only have a regular classic gearbox with torque converter
@@-xYz--nk1gm exactly, that's why it last 3 generations. Dual clutch will be destroyed in city traffic, creeping in hills at low speed, and whenever the clutch is being rubbed at low creeping speed.
Mine start to jerk while moving off, after into 2nd year of driving.
I bought my 2020 Kia Forte GT December 2019, by November 2020 I started noticing jerking, and what felt like slipping of the transmission in bumper to bumper traffic, also when putting car in drive after a cold start. (Yes I do let my vehicle warm before driving)
Dealer told me that is normal, but to someone who is used to a traditional transmission, it was very far from normal 😂
I still own mine with 77k miles and it’s not as good as they make it out to be smh 🤦🏻♂️
Fyi make sure to change your transmission fluid every 30-40k miles, the ole Kia Warranty won’t cover repairs if maintenance wasn’t preformed to their standard (or so I’ve been told)…..
While I will say it is quite fast.
I am nervous of premature wear and tear to the transmission especially if you drive your car hard!
Ogni quanti KM bisogna cambiare l'olio?
Hope it's better than Ford's Powershift, because that dct is inconsistent, inherently faulty, and unsafe.
you mean powershit ;) and yes it is :D
I had to replace my focus’ clutch twice....😑.
That's what I am hoping... A LOT of car manufacturers that have been using Dual Clutch transmissions have really caused problems.
No issues with kia dual clutch trans
Yes it is after listening to some experts. Ford and VW came out with their tragic first generation DCT.
Would this transmission be able to support up to 400hp ?
No, about 300hp and it will last about 20,000 miles. I have 37,000 miles and 235hp and it took 35,000 miles to start slipping.
@@TedTedness-wu4vb Make sure its under warranty. I have a 2017 forte5 an my trans blew 3 months after and the Cali Kia dealership wanted 11k for all the repairs. I wish I was being dramatic but I went to a transmission shop and picked up a used trans with labor only costed 3k
What is meant by dry clutches
Normal clutch that comes with manual transmission without oil and cooling system available in high end cars.
@@infinitebeing1119how is it available in high end cars if its bad
I'm a kia car owner but not this dct ones , been rebuilding and repairing this transmission from client's who has only 28K on it's reading as always. Why is it so early for this types of transmission to be damage?
Dry clutches.. same problems as dsg7 dq200..
@J Can du
The same is true for regular manual transmissions as well, yet people routinely get 110,000-160,000 miles out them. The problem isn't partial slip. It is how the transmission is designed and programmed. The logic and actuation don't match up with a skilled manual transmission driver. Sure, it's quicker but not as talented.
No wonder they overheat when offroading
No issues with kia dct. 70k on mine.
a wet clutch is just a tad better. answer me. how often will you change the transmission oil?
Yo SUFRO en España desde noviembre de 2017 este cambio de 7 marchas con doble embrague en mi Kia Optima (K5) y digo sufro porque ya estoy mas que harto de que ekl coche suba la cuesta de salida del garage y salga de los semaforos dando saltos y temblores de una forma inusual y ademas totalmente aleatoria (ramdom) cuando quiere sale normal y cuando no quiere sale a trompicones.
Ahora ya llevo 42.000 Km. pero enpezo a hacerlo con menos de 20.000 Km..
Aqui en España la marca da 7 años de garantia,, lo he llevado al tallere oficial varias veces para revisiones etc.... y todos lo digo, pero siempre ( casualidad de la Ley de Murphy ) en el taller no les salen los retemblores ni los saltos y me dicen que lo lleve en el momento mismo que me lo haga, pero...... nunca me lo hace cerca del taller (lo tengo a varios Km. de mis rutas normales) .
Estoy mas que harto del maldito KIA con tanta tecnologia de Mierda.
Antes que este tuve un Mercedes W 210 E 300 TD con convertidor de par al que le hice, en 18 años que lo tuve, mas de 300.000 Km. sin problema alguno, simplemente llevando el mantenimiento tan estrictamente como con este; pero claro era un Mercedes y no una M ... de KIA.
is this dry or wet clutch?
Dry
is it matter?
@@ИмияФамилья Yes because if it's dry you can't leave it in Drive every time you have stopped.
@@Shimabuku why? Because you are comparing this to the manual shifting system? Like "the always pressed clutch pedal"? Do you really think the actuators not switching to Neutral shift every time you stop? Really??
@@ИмияФамилья No it won't release that's why it overheats. I should know, I have been using my accent since 2017 with the same DCT.
can you please tell us how practical it is ?
DCT really is a great concept. My only real complaint is with the dry clutches. Many manufacturers such as Audi, VW, etc, use multi disc wet clutches which is far and away a better design. The next problem is is that like anything automotive, they design it as light and cheaply as possible. This design has the capability to be immensely durable, without adding a whole lot of weight, but they'll save $10 per transmission, which will cost you a new transmission in the medium to long run.
@@1criticthatmatters vw and ford have give the DCT a bad name. research on here :D
a clutch is a clutch. if you live in a city / hilly place, stay away from it. far far away
These 7sp DCT Transmissions are JUNK!
Thank goodness that KIA woke up & took them out of the Seltos & others & in the Seltos they put in a Regular 8sp Transmission.
Ya no doubt. I have a 22 kia forte gt and my dct was replaced 3 times under warranty already. About to be replaced a 4th time as it's slipping and shifting funny again
@@delaneyschafer2110any details of what keeps going wrong? Mine is only at 42000km and it just stopped going into reverse (after making some odd shifts going forward / complete lack of moving forward for a bit). I’m thinking it’s the TCU but yeah, hoping it’s not going to be a warranty fight
@HannahFortalezza the first two times was just premature wear of the clutch packs. I'm not sure if it was the ecu shifting funny and wearing it out or what. Then the third time the actuators broke, so it was stuck in gear. After that, they replaced the whole transmission under warranty. They put the updated 2023 model dct in, and it's been much better, but far from perfect. It'll still slip and shift funny from time to time. But I put almost 100k km on this transmission now, so it appears to be holding up. And I wouldn't worry about the warranty. As long as your car is stock they won't hassle you about it.
@@delaneyschafer2110 ah, just generally a shit transmission design all over then haha. Hope it goes better for you into the future!
@HannahFortalezza ya these dual clutch transmissions are definitely the weak point of these cars, especially if you live in colder climates.
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It is not beautiful as they shown. Premature wear in dual clutch, and generates high temperature ruined the transmition and vehicle owners economy. Find solution for those problems first. Customers refuse dual clutch transmition because they have to spend big money to repair dual clutch system rather than fual saving.
So true. This DCT is good only for service visits.
Salut
JUNK! It’s going to end up like the GDI engine recall
Plz tell me more
No it hasn't. 70 k on mine.
Yeah, I have a bad experience with this brand new gearbox... How do you know it was junk?
@@almostgeeek2773 The 2016-2018 Tucson were one of the first to have the DCT and they were a complete failure! Hyundai issued a recall for a software update and I hear many complaints about the 7-speed DCT stalling, overheating (since it's a dry clutch, not a wet clutch), and hesitating. Hopefully, Hyundai/Kia resolved this in their new 8-speed DCT which is a wet clutch
@@xcmskim4 nah mate it works fine.
so sad mercedes is up to 9g :D
Some of us can’t afford mercs lol
It comes with a big deal
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This technique is for Mitsubishi and not for Kia
Mohammad Shahin ? Kia also use dct