King David Was A Real Person! w/ Dr. John Bergsma
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Dr. Bergsma talks about small things in the Gospels that would be nearly impossible if the authors were not who the Church says they are.
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Of course he was a real person LOL they found the city of David and the exact location where David defeated Goliath using the Bible as a map. Perfect Details.
Finally someone other than just Joel Kramer mentions the Moabite stone with the house of David reference
Tel Dan's stele?
@@Ramoreira86 no the Moabite stone is not the same as the Tel Dan stele, it’s a different artifact
Glad this showed up in my feed today. I just finished 1 Samuel this morning.
Naked Bible Podcast is currently discussing 1 Samuel, each verse has an episode. So much to talk about.
God Bless you, keep going and God's word will be a light to your path :)
Of course he’s real. His burial site is in Jerusalem. I actually would like to visit his tomb and the tomb of the patriarchs. It’s disappointing that most Christian tours do not visit these places. I get that the focus is on Jesus, but it would also be really freaking cool to visit the OT sites.
😅😅 yeah that's definitely king Davids burial site.
There's 3 churches and a mosque that claim to have the head of John the Baptist. If you believe we know where Davids tomb is you're just hopeless, grasping at straws to hold on to your fairytales.
@@lionzion1879 it even says it in the OT where he was buried. He’s exactly there, in the old city. You’re just a hater.
@@ntmn8444 hater of no evidence.
Old city of what?
@@lionzion1879 wow so you’re ignorant, not only of history but also geography. 🤦♀️ there’s a part of Jerusalem called the old city. That’s where David is buried. Travel a little more, read some more. That’s the only way to cure ignorance, hater.
There's a book in my library that puts forth the idea that King David was a soldier and usurper to the throne, and thus the whole of the books of Samuel and Kings are the cover up story to give him validity to be king. I found this and just thought: "You know... the whole point of boiling the frog slowly is to keep it unaware of what you're doing. This is just dropping it in with the pot bubbling over.".
Also why would a cover up label David to make such horrible mistakes and sins and his children to be awful people
Why would any text saying it was so be any more believable. Especially if it’s a theory centuries or millennia after
The crazy thing is there's no evidence of that theory yet mainstream academia always talks about burden of proof
So you read a book about a false story of king David… Then you perpetuate that false story as real! You are just as foolish as the author of that book you read!!!
That sounds like it was written by someone who sympathized with Saul.
I'm more convinced King David was real than I am Napoleon Bonaparte.
“Travelers ne’er did lie, though fools at home condemn them.” -Shakespeare (Temptest, Act 3, Sc 3)
How could he be fake? Then Jesus would be fake. He is of the House of David and that’s a very important aspect of his genealogy.
Not necessarily we know for certain that neither Abraham nor Moses ever existed yet we have evidence for the kings of Israel after David. Theres only a single piece of evidence for David and nothing about his exploits at all.
You are so close.
@@nathanwhite704 Oh really now? For certain? Says who?
@@kzbaby2002probably the descendants of the people who said it was IMPOSSIBLE for humans to fly and that the earth is flat. Always verify with multiple sources and remember there are evangelical atheists and heretics with a burning hatred for Christ and his Church.
@@kzbaby2002 Every legitimate scholar ever since at least the 1970's, even the Christian and Jewish ones.
Great discussion, and great channel. I’m learning a lot here. God bless.
@@ThomasCrown-mf8lb I’m touched that your concern for my understanding extends all the way to fear, but you needn’t worry yourself on my account.
History Channel had an awful show that basically reimagined Moses as a mercanary leader who led his people out of Egypt and every victory the Israelites had was due to guerilla tactics, not Divine Providence. And King David was more of crime boss than a king. It made so mad!
History channel is all you needed to say. What a joke of Media
This would be just a bit problematic for the Genealogy of our Lord in relation to being the Son of David thru Saint Joseph & Saint Mary, & the Kingship of Israel
Good point! This is probably the real reason people said David wasn't real. Satan wants to undercut faith from every side. Anything related to Christ has to be denied by evil people.
Plato wasn’t a real people. He was created by the Greek tourist board in the nineteenth century to increase tourism in Greece at the time.😊😊😊
Facts!
@@conovan5081 I made a spelling mistake. Sorry. What do you mean by facts
Play Dough
Then who wrote The Republic? Who wrote The Symposium? Who wrote The Timaeus and Critaeus? Both Plato and King David were real people. Saying either wasn't is just ignorant.
THAT GREEK PHILOSOPHER OVER THERE ISN'T REAL
Thank you.
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6:15: Acutally King Mesha is first mentioned in *2 King 3:4.*
Thanks Mat
Fascinating
Ads in the MIDDLE of the video? 🤨
I'm just here for the Emmaus Academy ad.
Awesonme.
King David has a statue in Georgia for a reason... and goliath are byildings that still stands
For the same reason the Greeks talked about the wife of Hector.
Dope
There’s no question the kings of ancient Israel existed - it’s ridiculous to deny it
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Youd have to jump through hoops to try and assert he was a myth
It’s conspiracist nonsense. Actively arguing against the evidence we have because they don’t like the conclusions it leads to.
His story comes from a big book full of myths. Why should we believe his story is the one true one in the book of myths?
@@kevinkelly2162Wow you know so little about what you are talking about. It's a lot of different literary styles but most of it doesn't come under the term myth. Israel is literally filled to the brim with the archaeology as are it's neighbours. Why are you here ? Do you need a hug ? 🤷🏼♀️
@@kevinkelly2162 Archeological evidence? If you can't even deem preserved ancient text to be reliable, surely physical indication of a person's existence such as what Dr. Bergsma gave would suffice.
Anybody can write anything down. Are you suggesting we should believe all preserved ancient texts?And to believe the whole David story yes I would require more than 'a physical indication of a persons existance'. New York is not proof that Spiderman is real.@@mmyr8ado.360
Not to mention, the majority of the Psalms were written by David. A lot of them, if you put them under the scrutiny of the Old Testament, were almost blasphemous. They couldn't have been written by a commoner because they would have been ex-communicated from the community and a priest would be reluctant to write with such fervor. The only person who could get away with that sort of writing would have to be a King.
Isn’t it recorded he had red hair?
He is ruddy with a fine appearance and handsome features according to 1 Samuel 16 which I always took to mean he had rosy cheeks or something. As if he was full of life lol
There are many red-haired jews.
@@matthewposton3243no, his skin was reddish tone, not just merely rosy cheeks, because no, he wasn’t white. But also, he was a red head. I imagine him and Solomon both as red heads with green eyes and everything, but a sun tanned skin look.
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I can't hear "Moab" without thinking "Mother Of All Bombs". Sorry.
What role did African people play in the Bible?
Ah yes, the Stele Dan (rimshot).
Now here is someone who may be able to answer a hard question for me. The Bible says the fool says in his heart 'there is no God'. How is it the fool's fault they are a fool? Many thanks.
Self inflicted injury?
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker never fails
If even a fool knows it, why don't you?
Anyone who sees the wonders of God, hears the gospel message, and/or witnesses any "coincidences" beyond human understanding... yet STILL does not believe God exists is certainly a fool.
That passage in Proverbs is explaining how wise people recognize the wonders of God (creation, humans, Biblical truths, etc.) and attribute them to God and His works. The fool sees the same wonders, yet attribute them to evolution, philosophy, humanism, and random chance (Big Bang).
Make no mistake, the fool HAS seen the same wonders and heard the same stories. They choose to reject God.
Or just maybe they heard your god stories and thought 'that doesn't sound right'. Then again, typical christian arrogance 'if you don't draw the same conclusions as me, then you are a fool'.@@bobfleischmann5208
I dove on the grenade and liked the video, making the count 666.
The Bible is the word of the MOST HIGH GOD! The Bible is entirely factual! You either believe it or you don’t. There is no middle ground!!!
Why do these two even care about these things. They don't believe the old testament is applicable to them. 🤔
It’s the foundation that sets the stage for the Christian faith to begin through Christ.
David was an incredibly common name in ancient Israel. There very well probably was a king named David, probably more than one. That doesn't make what's wrote in the OT true. The reasoning used in this video is silly and that's putting it nicely.
And your qualifications in this area are . . .
@@jeffscully1347 I have to be qualified in a certain area to know David was a common name in ancient Israel? Do I need to be qualified in a certain area ti know Richard and Marie were common names in medieval Britain!?
@@jeffscully1347 The guy in this video seriously said that the Old Testament is a reliable source of history. it's the same as using Marvel Comics to prove Spider-Man is real that's how the bible is treated among legitimate scholars. David is in the category of legend and has been for over 50 years. Apologists=Propagandists.
@nathanwhite704 good luck with that.
@nathanwhite704 your argument needs better ammunition my friend. Marvel? Is there an inscription somewhere (in modern terms, official government pronouncement) that refers to the "The House of Ironman"? I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong (though I have serious doubts about it btw) but you need to come up with a better example.