I felt like Tolkien told a lesson here: sometimes we tend to look at what we cannot have (aragorn) while sometimes the best thing is right before us (faramir)
Unpopular Opinion: I actually prefer the love story of Faramir and Eowyn over that of Aragorn and Arwen, even from the books. Wish there had been more screen time given to it in the movies. Faramir is so tender with her, it just makes me melt.
There's more romance in the story of Faramir and Eowyn; it's less epic and more real. The only Aragorn/Arwen interaction is in the Appendices, and it's more removed from the action; also the ending, for Arwen, is terribly sad.
I was going to post this exact comment. For me, this love story is more real than Aragorn and Arwen. I too would like to see more of this in the films, but maybe someday, maybe in Amazon’s series, we could see the story.
Well I wouldn’t say unpopular opinion. A great deal of peoples ideas about this is from the movies. All we got to see was them standing together.🤷♀️ They do have a lovely story. But Aragorn had to win Arwen’s hand by proving himself worthy, they loved each other since he lived with the elves, and she gave up her elfhood? for him, to live a mortal life. They both are true love stories.
An unpopular counter opinion: I think the story of Faramir and Eowyn is more human because they are ... well... human. However I do believe the love of Arawen and Aragorn is much deeper. Remember that Arawen is thousands of years old, and Aragorn is well into his Eighties. They have been lovers a very long time by the events of the story. It was tender and passionate in the beginning, then by now has cooled to steadfast and unyielding by the events of the story. It's a time tested and old love that we see sparking anew as the story ends. Arawen does eventually die, but returns herself with Aragorn and later their children to the undying lands through death. I love both stories and I think they are both great examples of relationships at very different times.
@@TheMJfromTN Yes, it's just that one shot. It's more of reference than anything. And, it makes sense, the theatrical cut is a whopping 200 minutes, so it was not needed
When the movies first came out, I remember how sad my younger sister was for Eowyn, that her feelings for Aragorn remained unrequited. When I explained to her that in the books she develops a love story with Faramir, my sister's eyes lit up. I took out the Return of the King and we read their story together. It was so nice to share such a sweet tale together.
@@myanimeaddict Kill me if you want. But Faramir and Eowyn are better than Aragorn and Arwen. They aren't the most powerful from men yet they both suffer so much and they found themselves in each other.
Faramir was just as noble as Aragorn, given his family had been caretaking the Throne for generations, basically being the "ruling family" for that time. Technically Eowyn out-ranked him being the niece of King Theoden and sister to Prince (later King) Eomer, as a Princess. Yet Faramir's gentle and noble nature won over this Daughter of Kings and Shieldmaiden of Rohan
I have to tell you, I did not warm to Arwen in the book. She's just there. Didn't really do much. In the movie they have her more of a role. Eowyn though, she had a full back story.
Aragorn and Arwen's story is more tragic. She is completely heartbroken after Aragorn's death. She leaves Gondor and her children, journeys to Lorien, and dies alone.
Look if we put everything we wanted in the movies they would he like 10 trilogies, each 4 hours wrong. And I know people, my brother included, who just couldn't stand how long and boring the films were. Even less people would have enjoyed lotr. To me, an unmatched amount of of lotr movies sounds fucking awesom
Actually they shot their wedding and the lead costume designer in the movies said her best costumes were held in that shooting and she’s really disappointed that no footage was ever released.
This is why if there is ever a reboot, it has to be a television series. There's so much content to cover, but television allows creators to tell long form stories effectively
@@majorianus8055 Oh wow, really?? I can't believe I've never heard about this. I thought I had watched every available behind the scenes bit on every version of the DVDs (and listened to all of the commentary), but it sounds like I missed something. I love that they filmed it, but good lord it hurts that we've never been able to see it. I really hope someday we get to. I bet the TV series will do it, but I would still **really** like to see the one you're talking about.
I'm usually someone that doesn't care about shallow romance, nor care about couples. However, there's something about the story of Faramir and Eowyn that made me happy for those two. Two lost souls that found happiness not through death within the battlefield or war, but rather, by healing and learning the importance of life. That someone's worth is not proved by fighting, yet is living with kindness and understanding.
There truly is no higher act of Love than for one to give up one's life fighting against an evil force that would seek to rape, pillage, and murder the innocent for the purpose of achieving peace .
" I do not Love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the Arrow for it's swifness, nor the Warrior for his glory I Love only that which they defend" -Faraimr
I adore this love story in a minor key. Two wounded hearts, healing together. And Faramir is unashamed to be a ‘lesser’ man, but delights in his treasure. Contrasted with Boromir and his longing for glory.
Boromir and Faramir both longed to honor their father. Boromir just happened to be the first born and not recieve the hate. Boromir longed to defend his people, he had a passion for his home and through those desires the ring/Sauron was able to tempt him. Sorry, but I love both Faramir and Boromir and this post seemed to do Boromir a little too dirty
I don’t think Boromir was a bad guy. He was just more of your stereotypical alpha male. Unfortunately Denethor was such a douche he clearly showed favoritism towards Boromir without appreciating Faramir’s own great qualities.
Well said to both of you. Boromir carried the heavy burden of watching his homeland weakening and facing annihilation. And he likely felt it was his responsibility to rescue it.
Faramir seeked love from his father and wasn't answered, and wished to die on the field of battle and his wish was not answered, eowyn seeked love from Aragorn and wasn't answered and wished to die on the field of battle and her wish wasn't answered, but fate had a different idea about them both.
Great job! I love Éowyn and Faramir as individual characters, so when they met when I first read RotK, I was like “this is perfection!” One of my favorite Middle-earth couples!
Eowyn's grandmother was Morwen of Lossarnach, who was probably of high blood, as there were still a few families of "purer" blood left in Gondor. "If Gondor has such men in these days of fading, great must have been its glory at its rising"--Gimli.
I remember a Morwen from the RPG LOTR: The Third Age with a similar backstory. Probably non canon and doesn’t match given her age, but maybe there’s a connection there?
@@christianfarren1179 Morwen of Lossarnach was named for Morwen the mother of Turin, who was named Eledhwen: "Elf Woman" for her dignity and the brightness of her eyes, which rivaled the Noldor who returned from the Blessed Lands. So, in effect, Faramir DID wed a woman of the race of Numenor.
Yes, Eowyn's grandmother Morwen was from Gondor but that doesn't necessarily mean she was highborn or came from Numenorean stock. In fact, it seems fairly unlikely that she was even though Thengel was the heir to the throne of Rohan -- the books suggest that even though Gondor and Rohan are longtime allies, the culture of Gondor is much more formal than that of Rohan and the people of Gondor don't really regard the people of Rohan as being their equals. When Faramir tells Eowyn that he loves her, Eowyn points out that the people of Gondor very well might criticize or at least question him for choosing her -- especially since he's not only highborn but of Numenorean blood and as the son of the Steward could have virtually any woman he wants. Being from Gondor, Morwen would also have known the history of Vidumavi -- the daughter of a chieftain from what later eventually became Rohan who caught the eye of the heir to the throne of Gondor (when Gondor still had kings). Their marriage eventually led to Gondor descending into civil war because the people of Gondor did not consider Vidumavi to be acceptable as a queen and the mother of the heir.
Not a big fan of romance stories but this one with two lost souls meeting because of a dreadful war is really beautiful. Two people trapped in grief and loss who eventually bring light to each other.
"Duty? No...I would have you smile again." -Théoden Well you got your wish. She's smiling again. Also for the grievances that people have with Faramir's portrayal in film the extended scenes in Return of the King play their falling in love perfectly and are a great call back to Aragorn's first meeting with Arwen where he said he felt like he had walked into a dream
Since I was a kid, Faramir and Eowyn were my favorite characters. Their story of overcoming the mental anguish and finding happiness with each other always struck a cord with me. They should have include their wedding in the movie but I can see why it was cut even from the extended version.
The Love between Gondor and Rohan Was strengthened by the two lovers bond For when they awoke form the Black death's breath They foresaw that they could still meet a dark death The armies of both lands left for the the black gate In hopes of helping two hobbits a miracle to create The two soon to be lovers knew this all too well And the fear in their hearts they alone could not quail But in those dark times these two found each other For by staying together they found their perfect lover One a steward the other a beautiful shield maiden Replacing doubt with love their hearts did laden For in the healing rooms of the grand white city Faramir showed Eowyn love and not simple pity. Soon after Aragon was crowned they both did wed And they stay together for the rest of their lives it is said
I think it was Faramir's pity that Eowyn said she did not want. Hence his reply. Also, part of her attraction to him was that he was second only to Aragorn in not just the martial arts, but in nobility and wisdom. That is the major defect of Jackson's interpretation of LOTR: he totally missed the beautiful nobility that Tolkien wrote into the characters of Aragorn and Faramir. All young lads should study these two characters (as well as Sam and Frodo) to learn what it is to be true and noble men.
Indeed, I have been disappointed since I first saw the movie with Jackson's portrayal Faramir's character. He was an amazingly wise man. Every word he speaks in the book is drenched in nobility.
@@alexhansen2102 Tolkien's work is supposed to be part of the christian interpretation of the bible, middle earth is our earth and Eru Illuvatar is Jehovah God, much like Aslan in Narnia is also.
One of the few complaints I have concerning Jackson's Trilogy was the absence of the lovely exchange between Faramir and Eowyn in the Houses of Healing: "...and my window does not look eastward." Tolkien showed how the relationship developed. Jackson did not.
It was one of the many things I disliked about the film, although as LC says time might be an excuse for that. There was no excuse for his worst abortion of the story with the character assassination of Farimir. The entire point of the encounter with Frodo and Sam was that Faramir rejected the ring, showing his greater strength of character compared to his brother and father.
@@stephenpickering8063 I don't like the change but agree with it. Jackson spent the entire 'Fellowship' movie establishing how to the Ring corrupts all beings. Then suddenly along comes Faramir who rejects the Ring outright - it doesn't make sense in the context of a movie. It's better to show his reasons for rejecting the Ring as they develop. Having said that, Jackson redeemed Faramir in the Extended Editions. One of my favourite scenes with Faramir is when he speculates about the life of the Haradrim soldier. Wish that had stayed in the theatrical cut.
Jackson messed up plain and simple. Many minutes of gratuitous warfare and hideous ork crap could have been edited to portray one of the most beautiful aspects of trilogy. I question his motives. The book remains far superior to his trilogy, great as it is.
Eowyn will be much happier with Faramir than she could ever have possibly been with Aragorn. (Had it not been for the War of the Ring, it's not at all impossible that Eowyn would have been offered to him as a potential bride anyway since Rohan and Gondor were allies ) For one thing, it's not hard to see that Eowyn by nature is a very emotional and passionate person and the only reason why she initially seems cold is due to circumstance and necessity. Aragorn, by contrast. is actually not that emotional (probably as a result of being raised by and among Elves from such a young age) -- when Aragorn is angry, he becomes rather frosty. Aragorn also doesn't entirely respect Eowyn as a warrior (even though in the books, female Elves can be warriors just as male Elves can) -- Gandalf understands Eowyn better than Aragorn does. Finally, even if Aragorn had loved and married Eowyn, there probably would have been trouble. Even though Eowyn's grandmother Morwen (the mother of Theoden) was from Gondor, Eowyn has neither Elven nor Numenorean blood -- and the last time a king of Gondor married a woman of Rohan (Vidumavi), Gondor was plagued by civil war. From the sound of it, Gondor is an extremely formal society and I doubt that the people of Gondor would really have warmed to Eowyn, even as the Wraithbane. Faramir, on the other hand, is in many respects a "kinder, gentler" version of Aragorn -- every bit as courageous and strong, but with a somewhat warmer temperament than Aragorn has. The books suggest that the blood of Numenor runs stronger in him than it does in Boromir. Once Aragorn reclaims the throne and Faramir no longer rules the city, he has more freedom in his choice of wife -- and he respects Eowyn for her spirit as well as for her beauty, which is something Aragorn can't quite seem to do.
I think you grasped why I love this love story so much. It's modest and could happen to us lowly mortals. Beren and Luthien are an ideal and too far away if you ask me.
The love like was shared between Faramir and Eowyn grows into that love between Beren and luthien. It takes a lifetime of mutually dedicated and passionate love, that grows like the fragile seedlings into a mighty and beautiful tree.
let alone the hire to Numenor, the returning king, and the Arwen daughter of Elrond, granddaughter of Galadriel, Great granddaughter of Finrod and Elandir. NOW THAT IS SOME HIGH-LEVEL SHIT...
I have always loved the story of Éowyn and Faramir... I recently got a tattoo of Faramir's quote from the scene of them in the houses of healing "I do not believe this darkness will endure." just to remind me that any dark times in my life will pass. I'm glad they could both find each other and heal and grow together.
Just read (again) the meeting of Faramir and Éowyn yesterday... I really don't consider myself a fan of romantic stories (usually I avoid them like the plague), but I literally cried joys of tears when Faramir kissed her. Such a beautiful and wholesome story.
I love how some characters in Tolkien's Mythology seem to have this strong connection within a short period of time. Faramir and Éowyn were already in love with each other after 1 week, it's just so beautiful and one of my favourite things about couples in the professor's mythology
@Berserking Bishop It is undoubtingly the fact that it is love from the heart that permeates Christian teaching....As Jesus stated to love God with your whole heart, mind and body....and to love your neighbour (your fellow humankind). That upon these two principals the whole of God's Laws hangs. Yes Love.
Well the classic example in Tolkien is probably Elwe and Melian the Maia, which occurs with the initial glance, although does take some time for Elwe [and possibly Melian as well?] to recover from the encounter. ;)
The scenes in the movie between Faramir and Eowyn really are some of my favorite that don't focus on the battles. And the music that plays fits so damn well, it's incredible.
Both understood all to well the wanting and rejection of love from someone close to them! Eowyn with rejection from Aragorn and Faramirs rejection by his own father,the insane steward of Gondor. Both with nothing more to live for than a violent death on the battlefield both found reason to live in love with each other. Their story is both tragic and grand. They deserved each other and deserved to be happy. It is a truly beautiful love story!!
I dont like romance stories yet for some reason I love their story and how they found eachother, turning their pain into hope and love. Also, how they have a lot in common for both wanted to be something else than what was expected of them.
i'm not usually a sucker for love stories, and i could really care less, but when i was reading about faramir and eowyn's conversations in the houses of healing, my heart melted-it was beautiful.
Their story is more meaningful than even Aragorn and Arwen, perhaps because it is more relatable. But my favorite part, and the one I like to imagine dialogue for is the conversation that passed between Faramir and Merry. It shows how much the hobbits became parts of the lives of all the other characters, highborn or humble. Great job on the video. It's nice to hear the Professor's stories told in a way I am sure he would approve.
Spaceman, Yoysten did a poll on LOTR’s couples vids for Valentine’s Day. Sam and Rose were one of the possible vids. Rest assured, Sam and Rose will get a vid. One I’m excited for too.
Luthien and Beren love story is number 1 ofc but this love story has something very human in it, something we can all relate to and it always brings joy to my heart reading it! Thx for the video man!
Today I am camped in Westfold near the White Mountains, close to Helms Deep. Great video. An overlooked couple. The valiant ranger and the steadfast princess.
Agreed that Rob Inglis reads the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings with mastery and humor. I have the unabridged audio recordings and listen to them on repeat. Enjoyed this recounting of the love story of Eowyn and Faramir. Their story brought a satisfying conclusion to both characters in the book.
Love the story of Faramir and Eowyn . Two of my favorite characters in TLOR book trilogy. Wish their scene in The Return of the King had not been cut. It was nice to see in the extended edition. ❤❤
their love story always gave me hope that someday maybe I would find healing by finding love. But no Farmir for me, instead I found friendships and caring and community, and it is sufficient
I don't like romance because they always seem to follow a predictable formula or it is always about one of the two, not both. Tolkien wrote a romance that made me like it because there was something more to it in his writings.
I love all the books but The Houses of Healing and The Steward and the King are two of my favorite chapters. Sometimes I'll pick up The Return Of The King and read one of those and all is right with the world.
Today is my birthday, while it may not be my eleventy-first, i am old none the less. In all of my readings of the legendarium Faramir and Eowyn are the characters i empathise with the most, and i'm delighted to see such a video on today of all days. Thank you Yoystan, you have brought many hours of joy to my life. Here's to many more.
I wish they'd showed this better in t he films, the time Aragorn spent healing before they rode for the Black Gate should have been significant, as well as the time with these 2 learning to love each other. But I guess you gotta cut something. I just wish they had filmed it so we could see it in the extended editions (or should I refer to them as the only editions?).
It was unnecessary to the overall story. And again the lotr movies were in theaters at a time when it was unpopular to watch a movie longer than 90 minutes and many people wouldn't even bother with it if it was longer than 2 hours. Very true 2 decades ago about. Now a days we love and expect 2 hour movies but most people though they should always be under 80 min. Which was impossible to do the lotr justice either way. Thank God yes for the extended edition being done.
Most saddening videos don't make me cry, but in my opinion, that wasn't so sad and yet it tore me up. Tolkien's stories inspire so much hope to carry on despite all the struggles one may face internally and externally.
I happened upon your channel and it is a joy! Yes the love between Faramir and Eowyn is beautiful..2 brave people, hurt but brave. I so like the great brother friendship between Aragorn and Eomèr....
I've never been a shipper. Romance in books/movies/shows is not my thing. But these two shredded my heart. (Especially in the books. My one complaint is the movies showed so little of them!)
The audiobooks read by Rob Inglis are my favourite audiobooks. I have listened to them so many times, and I really feel like Rob makes Middle-Earth come alive in its fullest. All the characters are alive, and I think many of the actors must have listened and copied them for the movies. Great video as always.
Wow, Tolkien again knows how to write Romance in Middle Earth...He always has that since 1916...Since marrying Edith!!! Thanks for the Lovely *Hehe* Love Story Mellon...Until something that randomly, never was in the movie *save a small scene in Fellowship* Marion Baggins Out!!!
Thank you Yoystan! Lovely video! I truly love the story of Faramir and Eowyn. It is such a gentle and hopeful love story. They heal each other with patience and love. Two who experience much pain and loss find each other and are made happy. Geek that I am, much of my fan fiction is written about these two!
Aomir her brother, was by far the coolest human in middle earth around this time. I love how he was acted and portrayed as and that scene when he found eowyn in the field of pelinor injured and passed out possible dead and how he wept. I have only seen this in real life sadly 1 time and it was amazing but also horibble awful to whitness, and that's what I think of with eowyn... along with her willingness to fight in the battle. I like the actor of fairimir but not how they portrayed him as much. He was one of the few creatures in all of middle earth who could be tempted by the ring but never gave in like Sam wise gamgee. He helped the hobbits get the ring away from Gondor temptation and knew what power it offered could not be controlled by him and evil as he had seen and heard his family sir come to its affects. That shows you who he is right their along with being a stud archer one of the best humans in middle earth and obedient even when going on a suicide mission. Fairamir is a very underrated character in lotr.
Wow this is an Amazing video my lord I Love how you said Love is the Best healer it is so true! Happy Valentine's day to all the Free people of Middle Earth
its beautiful....damaged by the evils of sauron and both strong and valorous. It makes me glad to know they survived and then thrived and made Ithilien bloom
YOu see, this story is one of many that made Tolkien note LOTR is too short. I think many mistake Faramir and Eowyn as becoming somehow reduced by putting up their swords. But their values are those, when you think on it, of Hobbits. And the Elves. Better by far to build, and grow, and heal than to fight and wield death (glorious as that may be, in its own right, when defending the good). The song Faramir sang of loving not the sword for its beauty but only for what it protected, that is the real glimpse into his soul--the soul Eowyn saw and loved. But this is just a fragment of a story in the greater whole.
Eowyn, Shield Maiden of Rohan, Slayer of the Witch King of Angmar, niece to King Theoden, of beloved memory, and sister to the King of Rohan, Eomer, of mighty reputation. And Faramir, Captain of Osgiliath, son of Denethor, brother to Boromir of the Fellowship, and wise still. Steward of Gondor. Perfect fucking match.
Eowyn: *exists
Faramir: A chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor, to show his quality
C Cody-Long lol funny comment
HAH
I love this meme 😂
Eowyn: I'm not free real estate.
Gunner M249 Well she has a ring of her own that he could put his finger through.
I felt like Tolkien told a lesson here: sometimes we tend to look at what we cannot have (aragorn) while sometimes the best thing is right before us (faramir)
A lesson much like my life. Faramir was quite patient with my soup 😊
That's part of the reason I love all of Tolkien's works. There's a lesson in everything he wrote.
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That is so true. :-)
There you have it, folks. Sometimes the best thing for us is Faramir.
I think we can safely say that the Captain of Gondor succeeded in his chance to prove his quality.
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England The very highest
The highest of quality as expected within the toxic brood.
Fancy meeting you here, milord. Praised be the Don!
Great name, lol. With great power comes great responsibility ;) haha
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Unpopular Opinion: I actually prefer the love story of Faramir and Eowyn over that of Aragorn and Arwen, even from the books. Wish there had been more screen time given to it in the movies. Faramir is so tender with her, it just makes me melt.
There's more romance in the story of Faramir and Eowyn; it's less epic and more real. The only Aragorn/Arwen interaction is in the Appendices, and it's more removed from the action; also the ending, for Arwen, is terribly sad.
I was going to post this exact comment. For me, this love story is more real than Aragorn and Arwen. I too would like to see more of this in the films, but maybe someday, maybe in Amazon’s series, we could see the story.
I think Faramir is a underrated character, he is actually one of my favorites and he deserved more screen time! :)
Well I wouldn’t say unpopular opinion. A great deal of peoples ideas about this is from the movies. All we got to see was them standing together.🤷♀️ They do have a lovely story. But Aragorn had to win Arwen’s hand by proving himself worthy, they loved each other since he lived with the elves, and she gave up her elfhood? for him, to live a mortal life. They both are true love stories.
An unpopular counter opinion:
I think the story of Faramir and Eowyn is more human because they are ... well... human. However I do believe the love of Arawen and Aragorn is much deeper. Remember that Arawen is thousands of years old, and Aragorn is well into his Eighties. They have been lovers a very long time by the events of the story. It was tender and passionate in the beginning, then by now has cooled to steadfast and unyielding by the events of the story. It's a time tested and old love that we see sparking anew as the story ends. Arawen does eventually die, but returns herself with Aragorn and later their children to the undying lands through death.
I love both stories and I think they are both great examples of relationships at very different times.
In the movies it was just like:
Faramir: "Hey"
and then they were together.
This happens with me all the time
Then the movie would have to be even longer
In the theatrical version isn't it just that one shot of them clapping during Aragorn's ceremony?
@@TheMJfromTN Yes, it's just that one shot. It's more of reference than anything. And, it makes sense, the theatrical cut is a whopping 200 minutes, so it was not needed
I laughed way too hard at this
When the movies first came out, I remember how sad my younger sister was for Eowyn, that her feelings for Aragorn remained unrequited. When I explained to her that in the books she develops a love story with Faramir, my sister's eyes lit up. I took out the Return of the King and we read their story together. It was so nice to share such a sweet tale together.
So precious😭🙏🙏❤️❤️
That is a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing that with us.
What a lovely story and memory. I wish you both the best. I miss my sister.
Faramir deserves such a shieldmaiden as a wife. They're as perfect for one another as Beren and Luthien
Beren and Luthien were direct ancestors of Aragorn and Arwen.
@@myanimeaddict yes but he was comparing them to Beren and Luthien
not saying they were descended from them.
@@myanimeaddict Kill me if you want. But Faramir and Eowyn are better than Aragorn and Arwen. They aren't the most powerful from men yet they both suffer so much and they found themselves in each other.
Aragorn and Arwen's is a love story made for legends. Eowyn and Faramir's is the one made for real life. I just love how real and relatable they are
Faramir was just as noble as Aragorn, given his family had been caretaking the Throne for generations, basically being the "ruling family" for that time. Technically Eowyn out-ranked him being the niece of King Theoden and sister to Prince (later King) Eomer, as a Princess. Yet Faramir's gentle and noble nature won over this Daughter of Kings and Shieldmaiden of Rohan
@@mr.hawklingiii8739 faramir is named prince of ithilien so he technically is of a similar rank
@@lt3746 this is true
I have to tell you, I did not warm to Arwen in the book. She's just there. Didn't really do much. In the movie they have her more of a role.
Eowyn though, she had a full back story.
Aragorn and Arwen's story is more tragic. She is completely heartbroken after Aragorn's death. She leaves Gondor and her children, journeys to Lorien, and dies alone.
Last time I was this early, the world was lit up by some two weird lamps idk.
LOL that was good
Very nice. Lol
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lol Ormal and Illuin
I wish this love story had been more explored in the movies instead of only seeing glimpses in the extended version
Yes! This is one of the few times I've actually cared about a romance in a movie and I was left disappointed at the little bits we got.
Look if we put everything we wanted in the movies they would he like 10 trilogies, each 4 hours wrong. And I know people, my brother included, who just couldn't stand how long and boring the films were. Even less people would have enjoyed lotr. To me, an unmatched amount of of lotr movies sounds fucking awesom
Actually they shot their wedding and the lead costume designer in the movies said her best costumes were held in that shooting and she’s really disappointed that no footage was ever released.
This is why if there is ever a reboot, it has to be a television series. There's so much content to cover, but television allows creators to tell long form stories effectively
@@majorianus8055
Oh wow, really?? I can't believe I've never heard about this. I thought I had watched every available behind the scenes bit on every version of the DVDs (and listened to all of the commentary), but it sounds like I missed something.
I love that they filmed it, but good lord it hurts that we've never been able to see it.
I really hope someday we get to.
I bet the TV series will do it, but I would still **really** like to see the one you're talking about.
I'm usually someone that doesn't care about shallow romance, nor care about couples. However, there's something about the story of Faramir and Eowyn that made me happy for those two.
Two lost souls that found happiness not through death within the battlefield or war, but rather, by healing and learning the importance of life. That someone's worth is not proved by fighting, yet is living with kindness and understanding.
Faramir displays a different path of valor and courage. Not just strength of arms, but wit and wisdom and swift right action.
There truly is no higher act of Love than for one to give up one's life fighting against an evil force that would seek to rape, pillage, and murder the innocent for the purpose of achieving peace .
i imagine their love to be more real and down to earth than the cinderella Fantasy type you read About in books.
I love their story too, because it shows that love does not need to be epic (like Aragorn and Arwen's) in order to be real.
" I do not Love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the Arrow for it's swifness, nor the Warrior for his glory I Love only that which they defend" -Faraimr
Find you a man who
- is fine with PDA
- gives you cool blue blankets
- finds chances to show his quality
Find you a Faramir
I laughed so hard at "cool blue blankets", thank you for this comment!
I adore this love story in a minor key.
Two wounded hearts, healing together. And Faramir is unashamed to be a ‘lesser’ man, but delights in his treasure. Contrasted with Boromir and his longing for glory.
Boromir and Faramir both longed to honor their father. Boromir just happened to be the first born and not recieve the hate. Boromir longed to defend his people, he had a passion for his home and through those desires the ring/Sauron was able to tempt him. Sorry, but I love both Faramir and Boromir and this post seemed to do Boromir a little too dirty
I don’t think Boromir was a bad guy. He was just more of your stereotypical alpha male. Unfortunately Denethor was such a douche he clearly showed favoritism towards Boromir without appreciating Faramir’s own great qualities.
Well said to both of you. Boromir carried the heavy burden of watching his homeland weakening and facing annihilation. And he likely felt it was his responsibility to rescue it.
Wow, beautifully said❤️😭🙏🙏
@@philipcallado5693 он не был "стереотипным альфа самцом", просто был горячее Фарамира
Faramir seeked love from his father and wasn't answered, and wished to die on the field of battle and his wish was not answered, eowyn seeked love from Aragorn and wasn't answered and wished to die on the field of battle and her wish wasn't answered, but fate had a different idea about them both.
“What do you fear, lady?' he asked.
'A cage,' she said.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
I much preferred Eowyn as a shieldmaiden.
Amazing insight considering when Tolkien wrote this.
Yes but wasn't this in Two Towers tho
@@coralineparmentierworldpianist Yeah it was in the two towers- I think xD
@@coralineparmentierworldpianist Aragon said it to her in the movie!
Great job! I love Éowyn and Faramir as individual characters, so when they met when I first read RotK, I was like “this is perfection!” One of my favorite Middle-earth couples!
Eowyn's grandmother was Morwen of Lossarnach, who was probably of high blood, as there were still a few families of "purer" blood left in Gondor. "If Gondor has such men in these days of fading, great must have been its glory at its rising"--Gimli.
I remember a Morwen from the RPG LOTR: The Third Age with a similar backstory.
Probably non canon and doesn’t match given her age, but maybe there’s a connection there?
*--Legolas
@@christianfarren1179 Morwen of Lossarnach was named for Morwen the mother of Turin, who was named Eledhwen: "Elf Woman" for her dignity and the brightness of her eyes, which rivaled the Noldor who returned from the Blessed Lands. So, in effect, Faramir DID wed a woman of the race of Numenor.
Yes, Eowyn's grandmother Morwen was from Gondor but that doesn't necessarily mean she was highborn or came from Numenorean stock. In fact, it seems fairly unlikely that she was even though Thengel was the heir to the throne of Rohan -- the books suggest that even though Gondor and Rohan are longtime allies, the culture of Gondor is much more formal than that of Rohan and the people of Gondor don't really regard the people of Rohan as being their equals. When Faramir tells Eowyn that he loves her, Eowyn points out that the people of Gondor very well might criticize or at least question him for choosing her -- especially since he's not only highborn but of Numenorean blood and as the son of the Steward could have virtually any woman he wants.
Being from Gondor, Morwen would also have known the history of Vidumavi -- the daughter of a chieftain from what later eventually became Rohan who caught the eye of the heir to the throne of Gondor (when Gondor still had kings). Their marriage eventually led to Gondor descending into civil war because the people of Gondor did not consider Vidumavi to be acceptable as a queen and the mother of the heir.
Eowyn and Faramir's love story is one of the cutest in the history of middle earth
Not a big fan of romance stories but this one with two lost souls meeting because of a dreadful war is really beautiful. Two people trapped in grief and loss who eventually bring light to each other.
It’s a wonder how grief can bring people together
"Duty? No...I would have you smile again." -Théoden
Well you got your wish. She's smiling again. Also for the grievances that people have with Faramir's portrayal in film the extended scenes in Return of the King play their falling in love perfectly and are a great call back to Aragorn's first meeting with Arwen where he said he felt like he had walked into a dream
One does not simply go... marry Eowyn
Nice
Exactly, I have a crush on her as well and deserve a chance, dammit!
Since I was a kid, Faramir and Eowyn were my favorite characters. Their story of overcoming the mental anguish and finding happiness with each other always struck a cord with me.
They should have include their wedding in the movie but I can see why it was cut even from the extended version.
The Love between Gondor and Rohan
Was strengthened by the two lovers bond
For when they awoke form the Black death's breath
They foresaw that they could still meet a dark death
The armies of both lands left for the the black gate
In hopes of helping two hobbits a miracle to create
The two soon to be lovers knew this all too well
And the fear in their hearts they alone could not quail
But in those dark times these two found each other
For by staying together they found their perfect lover
One a steward the other a beautiful shield maiden
Replacing doubt with love their hearts did laden
For in the healing rooms of the grand white city
Faramir showed Eowyn love and not simple pity.
Soon after Aragon was crowned they both did wed
And they stay together for the rest of their lives it is said
Nice.
You should write a book of poem. That was impressive! : D
I think it was Faramir's pity that Eowyn said she did not want. Hence his reply. Also, part of her attraction to him was that he was second only to Aragorn in not just the martial arts, but in nobility and wisdom. That is the major defect of Jackson's interpretation of LOTR: he totally missed the beautiful nobility that Tolkien wrote into the characters of Aragorn and Faramir. All young lads should study these two characters (as well as Sam and Frodo) to learn what it is to be true and noble men.
Indeed, I have been disappointed since I first saw the movie with Jackson's portrayal Faramir's character. He was an amazingly wise man. Every word he speaks in the book is drenched in nobility.
And yet warmer and more tender than Aragorn, who is more distant. And I think that that was something that Eowyn actually could benefit from
_Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God_
Amen
Agreed Amen brothers and sisters
Wrong mythology.
@@alexhansen2102 Cringe
@@alexhansen2102 Tolkien's work is supposed to be part of the christian interpretation of the bible, middle earth is our earth and Eru Illuvatar is Jehovah God, much like Aslan in Narnia is also.
Faramir is my favorite character in the books. I love his ending
I love him too! He's my fave with Imrahil and Beregond
One of the few complaints I have concerning Jackson's Trilogy was the absence of the lovely exchange between Faramir and Eowyn in the Houses of Healing: "...and my window does not look eastward." Tolkien showed how the relationship developed. Jackson did not.
Rough tho with how long the movies are to include everything he did lol
It was one of the many things I disliked about the film, although as LC says time might be an excuse for that. There was no excuse for his worst abortion of the story with the character assassination of Farimir. The entire point of the encounter with Frodo and Sam was that Faramir rejected the ring, showing his greater strength of character compared to his brother and father.
@@stephenpickering8063 I don't like the change but agree with it. Jackson spent the entire 'Fellowship' movie establishing how to the Ring corrupts all beings. Then suddenly along comes Faramir who rejects the Ring outright - it doesn't make sense in the context of a movie. It's better to show his reasons for rejecting the Ring as they develop.
Having said that, Jackson redeemed Faramir in the Extended Editions. One of my favourite scenes with Faramir is when he speculates about the life of the Haradrim soldier. Wish that had stayed in the theatrical cut.
Jackson messed up plain and simple. Many minutes of gratuitous warfare and hideous ork crap could have been edited to portray one of the most beautiful aspects of trilogy. I question his motives. The book remains far superior to his trilogy, great as it is.
Eowyn will be much happier with Faramir than she could ever have possibly been with Aragorn. (Had it not been for the War of the Ring, it's not at all impossible that Eowyn would have been offered to him as a potential bride anyway since Rohan and Gondor were allies ) For one thing, it's not hard to see that Eowyn by nature is a very emotional and passionate person and the only reason why she initially seems cold is due to circumstance and necessity. Aragorn, by contrast. is actually not that emotional (probably as a result of being raised by and among Elves from such a young age) -- when Aragorn is angry, he becomes rather frosty. Aragorn also doesn't entirely respect Eowyn as a warrior (even though in the books, female Elves can be warriors just as male Elves can) -- Gandalf understands Eowyn better than Aragorn does. Finally, even if Aragorn had loved and married Eowyn, there probably would have been trouble. Even though Eowyn's grandmother Morwen (the mother of Theoden) was from Gondor, Eowyn has neither Elven nor Numenorean blood -- and the last time a king of Gondor married a woman of Rohan (Vidumavi), Gondor was plagued by civil war. From the sound of it, Gondor is an extremely formal society and I doubt that the people of Gondor would really have warmed to Eowyn, even as the Wraithbane.
Faramir, on the other hand, is in many respects a "kinder, gentler" version of Aragorn -- every bit as courageous and strong, but with a somewhat warmer temperament than Aragorn has. The books suggest that the blood of Numenor runs stronger in him than it does in Boromir. Once Aragorn reclaims the throne and Faramir no longer rules the city, he has more freedom in his choice of wife -- and he respects Eowyn for her spirit as well as for her beauty, which is something Aragorn can't quite seem to do.
Tolkien wrote an excellent love story in half a chapter, which is more than I can say for whole tomes dedicated to romance and infatuation.
I think you grasped why I love this love story so much. It's modest and could happen to us lowly mortals. Beren and Luthien are an ideal and too far away if you ask me.
The love like was shared between Faramir and Eowyn grows into that love between Beren and luthien.
It takes a lifetime of mutually dedicated and passionate love, that grows like the fragile seedlings into a mighty and beautiful tree.
let alone the hire to Numenor, the returning king, and the Arwen daughter of Elrond, granddaughter of Galadriel, Great granddaughter of Finrod and Elandir. NOW THAT IS SOME HIGH-LEVEL SHIT...
Tolkien's deft and delicate treatment of Eowyn's character is masterful.
I fell for Eowyn when I first read the book. Fell for her even more after watching the films. Miranda Otto played it brilliantly !
I have always loved the story of Éowyn and Faramir... I recently got a tattoo of Faramir's quote from the scene of them in the houses of healing "I do not believe this darkness will endure." just to remind me that any dark times in my life will pass. I'm glad they could both find each other and heal and grow together.
Just read (again) the meeting of Faramir and Éowyn yesterday... I really don't consider myself a fan of romantic stories (usually I avoid them like the plague), but I literally cried joys of tears when Faramir kissed her.
Such a beautiful and wholesome story.
Well Faramir was closer to her age anyways.
Wow never even thought about that... lol
Yeah wasn't Aragorn about 87 give or take?
@@Doctorwho123 He was 87 during the events of LOT, correct.
flyingkoopa45. Thank you Mellon
Although, I don't think there's really any reference to either of their ages. Faramir was also of the race of Numenor...
This should be included ín the movie too. These two characters were so underrated, even is Eowyn had one of the most important role in the movie.
I love how some characters in Tolkien's Mythology seem to have this strong connection within a short period of time. Faramir and Éowyn were already in love with each other after 1 week, it's just so beautiful and one of my favourite things about couples in the professor's mythology
War probably and the apocalypse probably heighten feelings.
@Berserking Bishop
It is undoubtingly the fact that it is love from the heart that permeates Christian teaching....As Jesus stated to love God with your whole heart, mind and body....and to love your neighbour (your fellow humankind). That upon these two principals the whole of God's Laws hangs. Yes Love.
Well the classic example in Tolkien is probably Elwe and Melian the Maia, which occurs with the initial glance, although does take some time for Elwe [and possibly Melian as well?] to recover from the encounter. ;)
@@stephenpickering8063 Indeed! Nicely put
My girlfriend broke up with me today. This video however was beautiful and soothing, thank you. Tolkien is fantastic
I'm sorry, my friend. Hang in there, you will yet find your Tinúviel!
@@MenoftheWest true
@@MenoftheWest We shall call it "Melon"
The scenes in the movie between Faramir and Eowyn really are some of my favorite that don't focus on the battles.
And the music that plays fits so damn well, it's incredible.
Everyone loves Beren and Luthien but Faramir and Eowyn have always been my favorite Middle Earth couple.
Faramir and Eowyn' s story is lovely and unusual born against background of terror, war and grief.
Both understood all to well the wanting and rejection of love from someone close to them! Eowyn with rejection from Aragorn and Faramirs rejection by his own father,the insane steward of Gondor. Both with nothing more to live for than a violent death on the battlefield both found reason to live in love with each other. Their story is both tragic and grand. They deserved each other and deserved to be happy. It is a truly beautiful love story!!
I dont like romance stories yet for some reason I love their story and how they found eachother, turning their pain into hope and love. Also, how they have a lot in common for both wanted to be something else than what was expected of them.
i'm not usually a sucker for love stories, and i could really care less, but when i was reading about faramir and eowyn's conversations in the houses of healing, my heart melted-it was beautiful.
Their story is more meaningful than even Aragorn and Arwen, perhaps because it is more relatable. But my favorite part, and the one I like to imagine dialogue for is the conversation that passed between Faramir and Merry. It shows how much the hobbits became parts of the lives of all the other characters, highborn or humble. Great job on the video. It's nice to hear the Professor's stories told in a way I am sure he would approve.
Do Sam and rose
Yes yes yes!
It will happen. They wouldn’t have been an option in the poll unless it wasn’t going to be explored.
Spaceman, Yoysten did a poll on LOTR’s couples vids for Valentine’s Day. Sam and Rose were one of the possible vids. Rest assured, Sam and Rose will get a vid. One I’m excited for too.
Yesss
Please!
It's a beautiful romance, because it's so mortal. They only have so much time together, amen.
My favorite fictional couple right here (Faramir and Eowyn) -- great presentation! Thank you!
Ah - loved this in the books - the two were so broken and yet so full of promise - and I love the way Eowyn turns to him in the end
Luthien and Beren love story is number 1 ofc but this love story has something very human in it, something we can all relate to and it always brings joy to my heart reading it! Thx for the video man!
Eowyn: "This sucks"
Faramir: "This sucks"
And thus they fell in love.
This beautiful love story of these two wounded souls brought me to tears. They were perfect for each other.
Today I am camped in Westfold near the White Mountains, close to Helms Deep.
Great video. An overlooked couple. The valiant ranger and the steadfast princess.
Agreed that Rob Inglis reads the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings with mastery and humor. I have the unabridged audio recordings and listen to them on repeat. Enjoyed this recounting of the love story of Eowyn and Faramir. Their story brought a satisfying conclusion to both characters in the book.
Love the story of Faramir and Eowyn . Two of my favorite characters in TLOR book trilogy. Wish their scene in The Return of the King had not been cut. It was nice to see in the extended edition. ❤❤
Only way to watch lotr is the extended 4 hour plus version per movie lol yes :)
Two awesome characters that handled their business.
their love story always gave me hope that someday maybe I would find healing by finding love. But no Farmir for me, instead I found friendships and caring and community, and it is sufficient
I don't like romance because they always seem to follow a predictable formula or it is always about one of the two, not both. Tolkien wrote a romance that made me like it because there was something more to it in his writings.
I always feel like I’m in Middle Earth when I listen, watch, or hear anything relating to Lord of the Rings.
same
One of my favorite fictional couples. Thank you.
A beautiful story of 2 people who conquered and survived to finally meet and heal each other with love. I enjoyed it tremendously.
I goddamn love this saga!
Honestly the greatest collection of stories in the world!
Man, I'm going through some heartbreak right now and this video is literally saving me, thank you so much. I keep coming back to it
😭❤️🙏
I'm sorry to hear that Catherine! Please hang in there and never forget that there is always hope! You will make it through this!
@@MenoftheWest Thank you so much, I really appreciate it🙏❤️Definitely, we must always remember that! ❤️✨✨
I love all the books but The Houses of Healing and The Steward and the King are two of my favorite chapters. Sometimes I'll pick up The Return Of The King and read one of those and all is right with the world.
I had goosebumps on my arms as I was listening to the story. So enthralling 🤩
Today is my birthday, while it may not be my eleventy-first, i am old none the less. In all of my readings of the legendarium Faramir and Eowyn are the characters i empathise with the most, and i'm delighted to see such a video on today of all days. Thank you Yoystan, you have brought many hours of joy to my life. Here's to many more.
Happy birthday Noam! I'm glad this video delighted you, my friend! Thanks for the support and here is to many more adventures!
"Noam Chomsky" Huh...
Brief but interesting love story. Nice job Yoysten
A very appropriate tale to be told so close to Valentines day.
I wish they'd showed this better in t he films, the time Aragorn spent healing before they rode for the Black Gate should have been significant, as well as the time with these 2 learning to love each other. But I guess you gotta cut something. I just wish they had filmed it so we could see it in the extended editions (or should I refer to them as the only editions?).
It was unnecessary to the overall story. And again the lotr movies were in theaters at a time when it was unpopular to watch a movie longer than 90 minutes and many people wouldn't even bother with it if it was longer than 2 hours. Very true 2 decades ago about. Now a days we love and expect 2 hour movies but most people though they should always be under 80 min. Which was impossible to do the lotr justice either way. Thank God yes for the extended edition being done.
They have a deleted scene a little bit of that actually
Most saddening videos don't make me cry, but in my opinion, that wasn't so sad and yet it tore me up. Tolkien's stories inspire so much hope to carry on despite all the struggles one may face internally and externally.
Faramir, master of the pick-up line.
she was as strong and worthy as anyone in this whole story
I happened upon your channel and it is a joy!
Yes the love between Faramir and Eowyn is beautiful..2 brave people, hurt but brave.
I so like the great brother friendship between Aragorn and Eomèr....
I've never been a shipper. Romance in books/movies/shows is not my thing.
But these two shredded my heart. (Especially in the books. My one complaint is the movies showed so little of them!)
The audiobooks read by Rob Inglis are my favourite audiobooks.
I have listened to them so many times, and I really feel like Rob makes Middle-Earth come alive in its fullest. All the characters are alive, and I think many of the actors must have listened and copied them for the movies.
Great video as always.
Wow, Tolkien again knows how to write Romance in Middle Earth...He always has that since 1916...Since marrying Edith!!!
Thanks for the Lovely *Hehe* Love Story Mellon...Until something that randomly, never was in the movie *save a small scene in Fellowship* Marion Baggins Out!!!
Really loved this one, Faramir and Eowyn's love story is so beautiful.
I am no king, yet I was lucky enough to find a lady that is sharing life with me, happily.
OMG!!! I have been thinking of this story lately (I just identify with Eowyn in so many ways) and now you upload this! Eru Iluvatar bless you!!!
i'll fight for farawyn's deleted wedding scene until my dying breath
Thank you Yoystan! Lovely video! I truly love the story of Faramir and Eowyn. It is such a gentle and hopeful love story. They heal each other with patience and love. Two who experience much pain and loss find each other and are made happy. Geek that I am, much of my fan fiction is written about these two!
(Today's my birthday!) This video being uploaded today is such a wonderful birthday gift.
Faramir and Eowyn two great kingdoms together Rohan had a new king and Queen amazing video as always 💓
I am blown away by the beautiful illustrations of fan art, on all your videos. So lovely, and shows how Tolkien inspires people.
I thoroughly enjoyed the chapter of the houses of healing.
Aomir her brother, was by far the coolest human in middle earth around this time. I love how he was acted and portrayed as and that scene when he found eowyn in the field of pelinor injured and passed out possible dead and how he wept. I have only seen this in real life sadly 1 time and it was amazing but also horibble awful to whitness, and that's what I think of with eowyn... along with her willingness to fight in the battle. I like the actor of fairimir but not how they portrayed him as much. He was one of the few creatures in all of middle earth who could be tempted by the ring but never gave in like Sam wise gamgee. He helped the hobbits get the ring away from Gondor temptation and knew what power it offered could not be controlled by him and evil as he had seen and heard his family sir come to its affects. That shows you who he is right their along with being a stud archer one of the best humans in middle earth and obedient even when going on a suicide mission. Fairamir is a very underrated character in lotr.
Wow this is an Amazing video my lord I Love how you said Love is the Best healer it is so true! Happy Valentine's day to all the Free people of Middle Earth
Yes i was the first one to vote for this one👌
I'm a 28 year old man, why does this make me tear up?
I’m really grateful there’s a video on this topic it’s been a interest that I wasn’t sure I’d find anything on, I love this story, thanks man
Excellent! I'm not ashamed that I teared up during this episode. Blessings.
What a wonderful story
its beautiful....damaged by the evils of sauron and both strong and valorous. It makes me glad to know they survived and then thrived and made Ithilien bloom
YOu see, this story is one of many that made Tolkien note LOTR is too short. I think many mistake Faramir and Eowyn as becoming somehow reduced by putting up their swords. But their values are those, when you think on it, of Hobbits. And the Elves. Better by far to build, and grow, and heal than to fight and wield death (glorious as that may be, in its own right, when defending the good). The song Faramir sang of loving not the sword for its beauty but only for what it protected, that is the real glimpse into his soul--the soul Eowyn saw and loved.
But this is just a fragment of a story in the greater whole.
“ A chance for Faramir of Gondor to show his quality. “
Hey Yoystan, Happy Valentine's day man!!!😊😊😊❤❤💗💗💖💖
Yes! New vid!!! It's Always my favorite love story!!! Though not as, elaborate as beren and luthein, it's still so GOOD!!!
Really enjoyed your video man. I only ever watched the movies so I never got much of their story.
Eowyn, Shield Maiden of Rohan, Slayer of the Witch King of Angmar, niece to King Theoden, of beloved memory, and sister to the King of Rohan, Eomer, of mighty reputation. And Faramir, Captain of Osgiliath, son of Denethor, brother to Boromir of the Fellowship, and wise still. Steward of Gondor. Perfect fucking match.
The watercolor paintings and artwork are beautiful.