“Then it is forfeit.” That scene made Faramir a legend. He saw the bigger picture and was able to look past his own desire to see the ring under the ownership of Gondor.
@@KaosRunes Not exactly. Boromir was a good man, tasked with a great burden. (He wanted the ring only to protect Gondor. But the Ring has only one master) He had a moment of weakness, but he sacrificed himself in the end for the Fellowship. It is hard to know just from the movies, but the ring is always talking to Fordo, and the others I am sure at times. Also Faramir knows what the ring did to his brother. And I am not sure the ring even wanted Faramir to have it, as it would have taken it farther or longer to get back to it's Master.
When I read the books forty something years ago Faramir stood out as the character I most associated with, I can image that many teenage boys wanted to be Aragorn or may be even Legolas but I wanted to be Faramir. I read later that Faramir was also the character with whom Tolkein felt the greatest affinity.
Sounds like you're due a reread, when I was young it was Aragorn but now I've aged and learnt more about myself and my fallibility it's definitely Boromir. The movie did capture his noble corruption very well with 'I ask only for the strength to defend my people!'.
@@amh9494 Boromir is my favorite. Because of he falls, repents, and it is his repentance that plays such a deep role. It is his sacrifice that convinces saruman that pippin and merry have the ring
Faramir was, in the words of Tolkien, "modest, fair-minded and scrupulously just, and very merciful". His appearance toward the end of The Two Towers apparently was as much of a surprise to Tolkien as it is to his readers. "I am sure I did not invent him," he wrote. "I did not even want him, though I like him". Faramir in many ways speaks for Tolkien, who was an officer in the British Army during World War I, when he say, for example, "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness... I love only that which they defend". Much later, Tolkien would write, "As far as any character is 'like me', it is Faramir".
Despite the slight alterations to his character in the films, Faramir has always been my favourite LOTR character in both the books and the films. It makes sense to me to have Faramir tempted by the Ring in the movie, because why would he be the one to outright deny its temptation when even Gandalf, Galadriel, Aragorn, and Boromir suffered its temptation? It actually gives me deeper respect for him as he was so close to achieving a selfish need, but still refused in the end. You would think, due to the pain of an abusive father, and the loss of his brother, that giving in to the Ring's power would've been easy. He was still able to refuse it, despite his vulnerable state. I'm glad you touched on his interactions with Eowyn, because in the book that made me love him even more. It was a great way to demonstrate how compassionate, empathetic, and respectful he is. I'll forever be crushed that his scenes were the ones on the chopping block for the films, because most of his character development is in the extended/deleted scenes. The writing and acting for the scenes between him and Boromir, or him and Denethor, are some of the best in the movies (in my opinion).
I like the quick added clip from hot fuzz :). As for the movies, I think they did justice to the character. They capture that he was able to resist it (even if initially tempted). It demonstrates to the audience that he was special is his own way.
Love the change in videos! It’s good you still included the voice over with artwork. Faramir will always be a favourite. Just like you said, have compassion in a world full of power, evil and greed, is an amazing and inspiring trait.
Selflessness is one of his strengths. Compassion and a clear understanding of empathy. If aragorn could not be king of gondor I believe he would have been a great choice. He also was tested by the ring and he won
Faramir has always been my favorite character. He's the one that I identify best with. If he had gone to Rivendell instead of Boromir, how would that have changed the story I wonder. There are obvious benefits, but also some drawbacks. I think Faramir arguably has the purest heart of all of the characters with the sole exception of Samwise Gamgee. Actually, that's another good question. Whose heart is "more" pure? Faramir or Sam?
I just finished reading the books and the part with Faramir stood out to me because of the beautiful dialog and Faramirs character. He is my favorite (and Sam)
As someone who has not read any of the books, I feel that in the movie Faramir was shown to be courageous, empathetic and great leader. He is one of my favorites.
If you choose to read the books, which I encourage you to do, you'll discover Faramir is so much better in the books. He's been my favorite character in Lord of the Rings since my first read and possibly my favorite fiction character bar none.
The extended version did far more justice to Faramir... Far more dimensional. Not only the bond with Boromir...but Boromir's total understanding of how his beloved father profoundly sells Faramir short.. Like 90% of the extended version, it was worth the watch... YP
"gentleness and emotional intelligence"-- that is such a great point. When tolkien wrote Houses of Healing and steward and the King chapters, he really shows his quality. Thanks for such a great video highlighting one of my fave characters.
I for one, have been accustomed to hearing the entire story even with repeating pictures and portraits along the way. Your appearance was a delightful change though and a great connection for your wonderful narrating voice. I think appearing 'here and there' would be a great addition. Thank you!
The movie adaption of Faramir never used to bother me but in recent years I've struggled with just how many changes are made to the two towers especially character-wise. It is such an incredible book but it loses so much richness in the movie with its beginning and ending being snaffled by the other two movies and so many of the new characters we meet are so different or straight-up missing. I think Faramir is the most obvious as he felt like a completely different character on my most recent watching of the two towers and it just felt he gets done so dirty for such a noble and humble character. That is not to say I don't still love the movies but I will certainly keep going back to the books more!
I like the art and the camera set-up because I often wondered what you look like. :D Also I liked movie Faramir too, even though we don't see a lot of him.
The change the movie made to how Faramir reacted to the ring was jarring when I first saw it. I had read the book pretty much annually since my adolescence in the sixties, so any variation took some getting used to. But after hearing what Philipp a Boy end had to say on the subject, it made sense, and now I'm OK with it. Powers like Gandalf and Elrond feared the corrupting nature of the Ring - how could a mere man resist it? I think they could have made something of the fact that the less power a character wants, the less power the ring has over them, but that would, perhaps, have unbalanced the movie with too much emphasis on analysing Faramir and his back story. So these days I see Faramir as a sad, but necessary, victim of the adaptation to film. Congratulations on the clips you chose to illustrate this talk. The close ups on Faramir's face, and the lighting effects, really accentuated your points about his kindness and thoughtful empathy.
He was great in the book and great in the films and great choice in actor too and like both ways you do it just keep mixing it up every so many videos ✌️
I like to think about each of these characters being inspired or reminding Tolkien of men he knew during the great war. He saw men who showed faramirs qualities during what must have seemed like the apocalypse of trench warfare
I agree- many of the characters in LOTR seem to have been modeled on people that Tolkein encountered during his in the Great War. Boromir and Faramir have such depth, it’s tempting to think that he modeled their characters on men that he knew well personally.
I like mixing formats but i like the artwork too. Youve been at this awhile and many changss over the years ive been watching, which only you all would know. I dont keep up with it but i would say since 2018 or so. I saw you go from HoME, to HotA, to TBS. My HotA hoodie is in the wash. I need a spare.
Faramir is the goat! lil tough to pay attention to the video though, kept getting lost in those baby blues lol jk! Great vid, new format is pretty cool.
You can label me a non-purist here but in this case, I’m digging Faramir adapted to b (only) shortly tempted by The 1 Ring. Makes him feel more human, more relatable. The scenes unfolding from Faramir considering his chance to “show his quality” to everyone (if he should capture The Ring), up till the point when he realises the evil & the burden It represents, choosing to release Frodo, I think, played out quite nicely
I would have loved for Faramir to be the same in the movie as he was in the book, and the only reason I don’t mind the change is understanding that film is very different to books and that it was a film adaptation. When I was 10 and I first watched it, seeing my favourite character changed and taking the ring to Gondor, even though he did eventually let Frodo and Sam leave, felt like an utter disgrace.
Ok I love this video, but one thing I love the most. Is when you are talking, your green light winks with your voice. It made me think, what if you had like a ring of power, but the light winks and glows with your audio, like when you are using cuts and edits when you are not seen.
I didn't care for the movie Faramir's treatment of Gollum, but I understand why they did it. BTW, I like the quick talking head shots in between the artwork.
At the time the movies came out, I was upset that Faramir's character had been changed. At this point, I can appreciate why those changes were made to 1. Give Frodo and Sam's story in Two Towers a climactic ending and 2. Show how powerful the temptation of the ring truly is. I still much prefer book Faramir to his movie counterpart, but I save my fannish outrage for where it belongs: Denethor's ridiculous death scene. 😌
I like both video styles, but I think I prefer just art. That being said, it’s your channel so please do whichever you prefer! I’ll still be watching either way! Also I love both Faramirs. I don’t think he got butchered in the movies. He makes some different choices in the movies but his heart is still the same. I love him!
Is it surprising that neither Boromir nor Faramir were betrothed for marriage by the time of the story? It is convenient that Faramir is still a eligible bachelor when he meets Eowyn, who herself was also not yet betrothed. For such an important matter to ruling families at a dangerous time in need of regional alliances, all three weren't already spoken for at the time of the War of the Ring.
In Eowyn's case, I think it's simply that her uncle Theoden hasn't been in his right mind for some time. Ordinarily, I assume he would be helping to arrange a marriage alliance on her behalf OR at least give his blessing. Unfortunately, Grima has Theoden under his influence, and he has a vested interest in making sure Eowyn isn't married to another man. Even without Grima's meddling, I don't think Eowyn would choose to leave her uncle's side when he's obviously unwell. Meanwhile, Gondor has been preparing for war with Mordor for years, and Denethor understands their chances of survival are incredibly slim. One can imagine him uring his sons to focus on defending the kingdom rather than starting families of their own. After all, if Sauron wins, maintaining the family line is going to be a moot point. And if they somehow Gondor prevails, Boromir is still no older than he is when he married Findulas.
@@katherinegraham3803 And Boromir was less interested in such matters than he was in war, taking after, in a manner, to the last king of Gondor. Faramir, I don't know, he may have been too distracted with both academic pursuits and war to consider it yet. Though obviously Faramir is not opposed to getting married.
Both faramir and boromir were highlight characters for me in the films and books and as for your set up you do you man, but you have to dress up if it’s a piece to camera though
Hey nice to see the face behind the voice. Yous a good looking man my good sir 😊. And if you have shown your face before forgive me for not seeing that video yet. I just know your videos as the ones that begin with.... Build me an army worthy of Mordor! I love it don't change it. Makes you stand out among the other lotr creators I'm sure you already know that tho
My favorite human in the books who unfortunately gets done poorly by the movies If one only ever saw the films, and not read the books, there is nothing wrong with movie Faramir, he just is soooo much better in the books
@@fleetskipper1810 As I said, as a movie only character he is fine. There is so much more to Faramir that the books have time to get into. And we get NOTHING of him after the battle of Pelenor Fields. He and Eowyn are just suddenly a thingvwith no explanation. Now I get it, the show needs to wrap up but we get short changed on him
Jack Black as Tom Bombadil??? Now That's an Intriguing Idea… I confess to Loathing Tom in general, but Jack Might be able to Salvage a likable character from the page! 🤫🤔🤓
I will first answer your question about the movie adaptation. Faramir has been my favorite character since reading the books more than 50 years ago. I read them again and again every year. I was very happy he made it into the movie because some felt he didn't make a lot of difference to the storyline. I, of course, disagree with this. To prove my point, I offer you a different perspective. I believe it was Elrond who had the power of foreshadowing, who sent the dream to Faramir. And how different the entire story would be if it WAS Faramir who took the trip and joined the fellowship! I could go on forever about Captain Faramir. Oh, my cats name is PI short for Prince (of)Ithilien😂
Sorry! I didn't finish my answer (squirrel moments)I was disappointed in the change. I did not think it was horrific as the most major change was corrected, but I wish, of all characters, that Faramir was kept true.
The worst thing about the movies is the way they changed so many of the characters. Aragorn, Frodo, Denethor, and Faramir are all very different in the movies than they are in the books, and they are all changed for the worse. Aragorn goes from a man who is always working towards his destiny to a man running from his responsibilities. Frodo goes from being a wise and courageous leader who actually attacks and nearly kills the Witch King on Weathertop -- Frodo came within inches of cutting the Lord of the Nazgul when he attacked him, and if he had, Frodo's Sword of Westernesse would have been just as deadly to the Witch King as the Witch King's Morgul Blade was to Frodo -- to being a near useless welp for the majority of the three movies. For those who have only seen the movies it's no wonder why Frodo gets so much hate. Denethor goes from being a wise leader who only falls into despair and madness at the very end to a man who hasn't even bothered to prepare the city for the battle he knows is coming and who coldly & needlessly wastes the lives of his knights and his son on a fools' errand before going so completely mad that he cannot even recognize the fact that his son is not dead. Lastly, Faramir goes from a man in whom the line of Numenor runs true and who is nothing but helpful to Frodo & Sam and who treats Gollum with kindness to a man who beats the truth out of Gollum and is perfectly happy to had them all over to his father in order to "show his quality" before finally coming to his senses after seeing the Ring's effects on Frodo during an attack by the Nazgul. Book Faramir and Movie Faramir are two completely different characters. Of all the sins committed by Jackson & Co. when adapting "The Lord of the Rings" into movie format, changing the character of all of these characters, and always for the worse, was the biggest, even more so that having the elves show up to save the day at the Battle of the Hornburg, and don't even get me started on how utterly stupid that decision was! "The Lord of the Rings" movies are some of the best ever made, and most of the changes had a good reason behind them, but completely changing the nature of so many of the main characters -- especially Frodo, Denethor, and Faramir -- was the one unforgivable mistake Peter Jackson & Co. made simply because it was so unnecessary. Faramir & Denethor especially were completely different characters to those we meet in the novels. Also...THERE WERE NO ELVES AT THE BATTLE OF HELM'S DEEP!!!!!
Tolkien said once he was a hobbit in nature. Still, he also said that if there was one character that was him, in-universe, it was Faramir. One of the greatest characters of LOTR. Personally, despite unserstanding the needs of pacing and tension in the adaption, I guess the writers could have made more justice to Faramir. There was probably ssome middleground to use.
I was disappointed by the portrayal of Faramir in the movies, as he is one of my favorite characters, and I love the story of the taming of Eowyn. But I do understand why they did what they did, and the movies are still great.
IMO the movies did him fair service. I just bought the trilogy on paperback, but going by how you described Tolkein's original execution of the character, he is much too perfect & ideal, at least where film is concerned. The most compelling stories have a good trajectory of arc, and while both characters are their own, Faramir is essentially a pick up in development from where Boromir left off, spanning the mannish storyline that includes his brother, Denethor, Rohan, & other men. While i understand people feel the trilogy threw shade at him, the necessity of a different medium allows a variant of him to pay respect in equal measure as much as it can entertain in this format too.
It doesn't do it a disservice whatsoever, it actually makes more sense and bolsters how truly powerful The One Ring is, if it can corrupt and tempt Boromir than it can also do so with Faramir but unlike his brother and father he was in a position where he could have power for himself and denied the corrupting force outright.
Leaving Faramir alone would've sped up the movie's pacing, instead of diverting Frodo to Osgiliath so we could get a battle sequence on that set, which otherwise would only have existed for a brief flashback sequence, I guess. I always thought it was a financial decision.
So much was left out of the films. So much different. Not a disgrace but I believe because of the format it should have been 4 movies so as to leave out Bombadil or the Burning of the Shire and its rebuilding. The true death of Saruman.
Also big important not it isn't just sacrifice for the greater good it is self-sacrifice for the greater good. He is willing to risk himself and put his own safety in the way for the greater good not just others.
Film and print are different mediums and do need to be treated within their own constraints to best depict the story. However, I strongly disagree with a film that fundamentally changes the themes of a book or essences of characters as was done to Faramir in Peter Jackson's films. There are so many other ways the lure of the ring could have been expressed in the screenplay. By having Faramir be tempted in the same way Boromier was causes Faramir to lose the essence of fortitude that carries him through at the end of the story. Changes must me made for film. Exchanging Glorfindal for Arwen in The Fellowship of the Rings reduced the number of characters to make it easier for audiences to follow and elevated her character where she is a side note in the books. That was good. However, the way she was introduced by placing her sword against Aragorn's throat and saying, "What's this? A ranger caught off his guard?" did not enhance Arwen's characters or communicate a strong woman. It made her look cruel and petty and Aragorn weak and ineffective. It also destroyed any sense of feminism by saying a woman must become male to compete because only the male orientation is capable of achievement. I realize the screenwriters wanted to introduce strong, competent female characters and I support this. They failed in this scene because the toughness and ability are slapped on superficially and not a part of Arwen's true essence, which is by nature powerful. Her character does show that power in every other scene as the screenplay presented details that delve into her actions, thoughts, feelings and desires. The same applies to the changes to Faramir who represents the strength of Numenor that still courses though his bones, even if Boromir and Denethor lost touch with theirs.
I would say the movie Faramir depiction is great. Yes he acts more like a dick in the movie, but he is still a great character as we see his arc fulfilled.
Obviously, all of the Characters needed some Adjusting or Trimming. Otherwise the Movies would have been even longer. Six movies would have been required. Such was the Books Wealth & Depth. In the Time Restraints of a Movie, it was done well. IMHO. Tom Bombadil could be a Movie, all on his Own. His Character so was Complex. His Cutting from the Movie was a little Jarring, (for Book Nurds, like my self maybe) but the Movie doesn't suffer for it..! JRR may have been Smoking more than just 'Long Bottom Leaf' when he formed Tom in his Busy Brain..!? Faramir was a Bright Light, a Hint of Hope, that not all was Corrupted. He Stood out in the Book and Does in the Movie. I think Peter Jackson & Crew deserved every award they Received and a few more..! I am just Glad I got to Watch, what I had Read in my Youth. Characters in my Head since Primary School, finally on Screen. Visualised at Last..! Great Video as Always and Thanks for letting us see the Face that goes with that Voice. I have been Listening for a while now..! The Voice is Nice and Easy, well spoken, the Face aint bad either..! Nice Eyes..!! Cheers All. 😎
I don't think the films adaptation of Faramir was too far from the original. My only objection was him dragging Frodo off to Osgilieth, then letting him go. Not only does it make him indecisive, it has him place Frodo in greater peril. That includes an extended journey and releasing him in the midst of a battle to travel through what would have been land crawling with Orcs, though the film doesn't bother with this, instead just transporting them back to Ithilian. I don't think the motivation for the change of mind is well portrayed either. I think the whole section is just a way of getting a Hobbit to be at that battle to justify portraying it.
The fact that Faramir is not affected by the One Ring shows how strong his will is. However, one of the underlying reasons why Faramir is not affected by the One Ring, regardless of his will, is that the One Ring cannot find a weakness in Faramir that it can manipulate and does not show the will to choose him as its bearer. This situation should not be viewed only specifically for Faramir. The attitude of the One Ring towards people who interact or have the potential to interact with the One Ring also shapes the reactions of these people. Don't misunderstand my approach. I'm not trying to trivialize Faramir's will. I just think the incident should be looked at from the perspective of the One Ring.
In my opinion the corrupting power of the ring was well established in the movie without any change that impacted the character of Faramir. I found in disappointing. It necessitated other changes from the original source that could have been avoided.
Faramir sees the video title: “a chance for Faramir Captain of Gondor to show his quality “
🥺 poor poor Faramir.
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“Then it is forfeit.” That scene made Faramir a legend. He saw the bigger picture and was able to look past his own desire to see the ring under the ownership of Gondor.
Unlike Boromir
@@KaosRunes Not exactly. Boromir was a good man, tasked with a great burden. (He wanted the ring only to protect Gondor. But the Ring has only one master) He had a moment of weakness, but he sacrificed himself in the end for the Fellowship.
It is hard to know just from the movies, but the ring is always talking to Fordo, and the others I am sure at times. Also Faramir knows what the ring did to his brother. And I am not sure the ring even wanted Faramir to have it, as it would have taken it farther or longer to get back to it's Master.
When I read the books forty something years ago Faramir stood out as the character I most associated with, I can image that many teenage boys wanted to be Aragorn or may be even Legolas but I wanted to be Faramir. I read later that Faramir was also the character with whom Tolkein felt the greatest affinity.
Sounds like you're due a reread, when I was young it was Aragorn but now I've aged and learnt more about myself and my fallibility it's definitely Boromir.
The movie did capture his noble corruption very well with 'I ask only for the strength to defend my people!'.
@@amh9494 Boromir is my favorite. Because of he falls, repents, and it is his repentance that plays such a deep role. It is his sacrifice that convinces saruman that pippin and merry have the ring
@@LinuxInvictus a great example of how self sacrifice is sometimes the only road to redemption.
@@amh9494 true, I think rather it's a Testament to boromirs character. He isn't so different Faramir, in that he really is motivated by love.
Faramir was always my favorite character too. Noble smart, a great warrior who didn't desire power.
Faramir was, in the words of Tolkien, "modest, fair-minded and scrupulously just, and very merciful". His appearance toward the end of The Two Towers apparently was as much of a surprise to Tolkien as it is to his readers. "I am sure I did not invent him," he wrote. "I did not even want him, though I like him".
Faramir in many ways speaks for Tolkien, who was an officer in the British Army during World War I, when he say, for example, "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness... I love only that which they defend". Much later, Tolkien would write, "As far as any character is 'like me', it is Faramir".
If you ask Dennithor what makes Faramir so special he would say it’s because he is Boromir’s brother
In my middle earth David Wenham played a terrific Faramir and it was a shame we didn’t get to see more of him.
Despite the slight alterations to his character in the films, Faramir has always been my favourite LOTR character in both the books and the films. It makes sense to me to have Faramir tempted by the Ring in the movie, because why would he be the one to outright deny its temptation when even Gandalf, Galadriel, Aragorn, and Boromir suffered its temptation? It actually gives me deeper respect for him as he was so close to achieving a selfish need, but still refused in the end. You would think, due to the pain of an abusive father, and the loss of his brother, that giving in to the Ring's power would've been easy. He was still able to refuse it, despite his vulnerable state.
I'm glad you touched on his interactions with Eowyn, because in the book that made me love him even more. It was a great way to demonstrate how compassionate, empathetic, and respectful he is. I'll forever be crushed that his scenes were the ones on the chopping block for the films, because most of his character development is in the extended/deleted scenes. The writing and acting for the scenes between him and Boromir, or him and Denethor, are some of the best in the movies (in my opinion).
I like the quick added clip from hot fuzz :). As for the movies, I think they did justice to the character. They capture that he was able to resist it (even if initially tempted). It demonstrates to the audience that he was special is his own way.
Love the change in videos! It’s good you still included the voice over with artwork.
Faramir will always be a favourite. Just like you said, have compassion in a world full of power, evil and greed, is an amazing and inspiring trait.
Selflessness is one of his strengths. Compassion and a clear understanding of empathy. If aragorn could not be king of gondor I believe he would have been a great choice. He also was tested by the ring and he won
Faramir has always been my favorite character. He's the one that I identify best with. If he had gone to Rivendell instead of Boromir, how would that have changed the story I wonder. There are obvious benefits, but also some drawbacks. I think Faramir arguably has the purest heart of all of the characters with the sole exception of Samwise Gamgee. Actually, that's another good question. Whose heart is "more" pure? Faramir or Sam?
I just finished reading the books and the part with Faramir stood out to me because of the beautiful dialog and Faramirs character. He is my favorite (and Sam)
As someone who has not read any of the books, I feel that in the movie Faramir was shown to be courageous, empathetic and great leader. He is one of my favorites.
Please please read the books. Perfect time of year.
Read the books they are brilliant.
If you choose to read the books, which I encourage you to do, you'll discover Faramir is so much better in the books. He's been my favorite character in Lord of the Rings since my first read and possibly my favorite fiction character bar none.
2:39 I always loved this compliment from Sam.
The extended version did far more justice to Faramir... Far more dimensional. Not only the bond with Boromir...but Boromir's total understanding of how his beloved father profoundly sells Faramir short.. Like 90% of the extended version, it was worth the watch... YP
That was in the books, I think, that Boromir and Faramir, though different, were very close to each other.
"gentleness and emotional intelligence"-- that is such a great point. When tolkien wrote Houses of Healing and steward and the King chapters, he really shows his quality. Thanks for such a great video highlighting one of my fave characters.
All, very well said. Thank you!
I for one, have been accustomed to hearing the entire story even with repeating pictures and portraits along the way. Your appearance was a delightful change though and a great connection for your wonderful narrating voice. I think appearing 'here and there' would be a great addition. Thank you!
Nice! Dragon workshop is great, the helmet is sick!
My first time seeing our host! ❤
Great video, as per usual!
I like the new style!
Thanks 😁
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@@stevefontaine1335that's funny I was listening to the audio book the other day and I don't remember what but something made me think this
One word is perfect for him.
And that word is.
HEROE.
Could you do a "what if" video on how events might have played out if Faramir went to Rivendell and joined the Fellowship instead of Boromir?
yes!!
Faramir is one of my favorite characters in the Tolkien legendarium. He’s right up there with Aragorn, Gandalf and Finrod Felagund.
I love the background while you talk, it shows all the memorabilia you've collected over the years and your passion for everything Tolkien!
I'm just finishing my first read through and Faramir is the best mankind has to offer
faramirs just like, chill, dude
The movie adaption of Faramir never used to bother me but in recent years I've struggled with just how many changes are made to the two towers especially character-wise. It is such an incredible book but it loses so much richness in the movie with its beginning and ending being snaffled by the other two movies and so many of the new characters we meet are so different or straight-up missing. I think Faramir is the most obvious as he felt like a completely different character on my most recent watching of the two towers and it just felt he gets done so dirty for such a noble and humble character. That is not to say I don't still love the movies but I will certainly keep going back to the books more!
I agree. What they did to Faramir in the movies was the part that saddened me the most.
I like the art and the camera set-up because I often wondered what you look like. :D Also I liked movie Faramir too, even though we don't see a lot of him.
James! Looking good my man! :D
The change the movie made to how Faramir reacted to the ring was jarring when I first saw it. I had read the book pretty much annually since my adolescence in the sixties, so any variation took some getting used to. But after hearing what Philipp a Boy end had to say on the subject, it made sense, and now I'm OK with it. Powers like Gandalf and Elrond feared the corrupting nature of the Ring - how could a mere man resist it? I think they could have made something of the fact that the less power a character wants, the less power the ring has over them, but that would, perhaps, have unbalanced the movie with too much emphasis on analysing Faramir and his back story. So these days I see Faramir as a sad, but necessary, victim of the adaptation to film.
Congratulations on the clips you chose to illustrate this talk. The close ups on Faramir's face, and the lighting effects, really accentuated your points about his kindness and thoughtful empathy.
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Finally a face to the voice! Love the channel i thought i was a lotr nerd till i found this. Please keep this idea going
That was a great video. I personally prefer book Faramir, it shows his uniqueness. But I understand why the movie changes were made.
If one can boil it down, Boromir is a tactical thinker while Faramir is a strategic one.
Of all the great characters, Faramir is who I like the most and somewhat relate to.
feeling very blessed Broken Sword and In Deep Geek posting on the same day
Faramir looked and reminded Denethor of the late wife… that was a source of their tension
Correction: The line "For I also am a steward. Did you not know?" is spoken by Gandalf to Denethor.
A man of high quality indeed!!
He was great in the book and great in the films and great choice in actor too and like both ways you do it just keep mixing it up every so many videos ✌️
I really enjoyed the video, the change in editing looks really good, I hope you'll see it reflect in your average watchtime 😊
Nice work dude thanks
I'm looking forward to reading about Faramir in the books
I like to think about each of these characters being inspired or reminding Tolkien of men he knew during the great war. He saw men who showed faramirs qualities during what must have seemed like the apocalypse of trench warfare
I agree- many of the characters in LOTR seem to have been modeled on people that Tolkein encountered during his in the Great War. Boromir and Faramir have such depth, it’s tempting to think that he modeled their characters on men that he knew well personally.
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15:27 That is for sure! :D
probably my favorite character from the books.
I like mixing formats but i like the artwork too. Youve been at this awhile and many changss over the years ive been watching, which only you all would know. I dont keep up with it but i would say since 2018 or so. I saw you go from HoME, to HotA, to TBS. My HotA hoodie is in the wash. I need a spare.
I see you delved very deep and found a Balrog...
Faramir is the goat!
lil tough to pay attention to the video though, kept getting lost in those baby blues lol jk! Great vid, new format is pretty cool.
You can label me a non-purist here but in this case, I’m digging Faramir adapted to b (only) shortly tempted by The 1 Ring. Makes him feel more human, more relatable. The scenes unfolding from Faramir considering his chance to “show his quality” to everyone (if he should capture The Ring), up till the point when he realises the evil & the burden It represents, choosing to release Frodo, I think, played out quite nicely
I would have loved for Faramir to be the same in the movie as he was in the book, and the only reason I don’t mind the change is understanding that film is very different to books and that it was a film adaptation. When I was 10 and I first watched it, seeing my favourite character changed and taking the ring to Gondor, even though he did eventually let Frodo and Sam leave, felt like an utter disgrace.
Ok I love this video, but one thing I love the most. Is when you are talking, your green light winks with your voice. It made me think, what if you had like a ring of power, but the light winks and glows with your audio, like when you are using cuts and edits when you are not seen.
I was not expecting the Hot Fuzz moment. Gave me a genuine laugh
I didn't care for the movie Faramir's treatment of Gollum, but I understand why they did it. BTW, I like the quick talking head shots in between the artwork.
At the time the movies came out, I was upset that Faramir's character had been changed. At this point, I can appreciate why those changes were made to 1. Give Frodo and Sam's story in Two Towers a climactic ending and 2. Show how powerful the temptation of the ring truly is.
I still much prefer book Faramir to his movie counterpart, but I save my fannish outrage for where it belongs: Denethor's ridiculous death scene. 😌
I like both video styles, but I think I prefer just art. That being said, it’s your channel so please do whichever you prefer! I’ll still be watching either way!
Also I love both Faramirs. I don’t think he got butchered in the movies. He makes some different choices in the movies but his heart is still the same. I love him!
LOL, I was going to suggest the opposite, but, like you, I’ll continue to watch either way.
Is it surprising that neither Boromir nor Faramir were betrothed for marriage by the time of the story? It is convenient that Faramir is still a eligible bachelor when he meets Eowyn, who herself was also not yet betrothed. For such an important matter to ruling families at a dangerous time in need of regional alliances, all three weren't already spoken for at the time of the War of the Ring.
In Eowyn's case, I think it's simply that her uncle Theoden hasn't been in his right mind for some time. Ordinarily, I assume he would be helping to arrange a marriage alliance on her behalf OR at least give his blessing. Unfortunately, Grima has Theoden under his influence, and he has a vested interest in making sure Eowyn isn't married to another man. Even without Grima's meddling, I don't think Eowyn would choose to leave her uncle's side when he's obviously unwell.
Meanwhile, Gondor has been preparing for war with Mordor for years, and Denethor understands their chances of survival are incredibly slim. One can imagine him uring his sons to focus on defending the kingdom rather than starting families of their own. After all, if Sauron wins, maintaining the family line is going to be a moot point. And if they somehow Gondor prevails, Boromir is still no older than he is when he married Findulas.
You would be suprised how many rules failed to produce an heir even at a later age. Many succession wars were fought for this very reason.
@@katherinegraham3803 And Boromir was less interested in such matters than he was in war, taking after, in a manner, to the last king of Gondor. Faramir, I don't know, he may have been too distracted with both academic pursuits and war to consider it yet. Though obviously Faramir is not opposed to getting married.
i honestly think the movie did faramir wonderfully
19:51? Boromoir would of had a 20:00 minute video.
Faramir is my favorite character in LOTR, with Eowyn a close second.
Both faramir and boromir were highlight characters for me in the films and books and as for your set up you do you man, but you have to dress up if it’s a piece to camera though
Hey nice to see the face behind the voice. Yous a good looking man my good sir 😊. And if you have shown your face before forgive me for not seeing that video yet. I just know your videos as the ones that begin with.... Build me an army worthy of Mordor! I love it don't change it. Makes you stand out among the other lotr creators I'm sure you already know that tho
Good video
I love the books! I hare the movies!
My favorite human in the books who unfortunately gets done poorly by the movies
If one only ever saw the films, and not read the books, there is nothing wrong with movie Faramir, he just is soooo much better in the books
I wish there were more of Faramir in the movies. But what was included cast him in a great light.
@@fleetskipper1810 As I said, as a movie only character he is fine. There is so much more to Faramir that the books have time to get into.
And we get NOTHING of him after the battle of Pelenor Fields. He and Eowyn are just suddenly a thingvwith no explanation. Now I get it, the show needs to wrap up but we get short changed on him
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Jack Black as Tom Bombadil??? Now That's an Intriguing Idea…
I confess to Loathing Tom in general, but Jack Might be able to Salvage a likable character from the page! 🤫🤔🤓
I will first answer your question about the movie adaptation. Faramir has been my favorite character since reading the books more than 50 years ago. I read them again and again every year. I was very happy he made it into the movie because some felt he didn't make a lot of difference to the storyline. I, of course, disagree with this. To prove my point, I offer you a different perspective. I believe it was Elrond who had the power of foreshadowing, who sent the dream to Faramir. And how different the entire story would be if it WAS Faramir who took the trip and joined the fellowship! I could go on forever about Captain Faramir. Oh, my cats name is PI short for Prince (of)Ithilien😂
Sorry! I didn't finish my answer (squirrel moments)I was disappointed in the change. I did not think it was horrific as the most major change was corrected, but I wish, of all characters, that Faramir was kept true.
Faramir is pretty much the only character (aside from Celeborn) I would want to marry in the LotR trilogy, as presented in film.
He Is the aragorn of Gondor
the greater good.
The worst thing about the movies is the way they changed so many of the characters. Aragorn, Frodo, Denethor, and Faramir are all very different in the movies than they are in the books, and they are all changed for the worse. Aragorn goes from a man who is always working towards his destiny to a man running from his responsibilities. Frodo goes from being a wise and courageous leader who actually attacks and nearly kills the Witch King on Weathertop -- Frodo came within inches of cutting the Lord of the Nazgul when he attacked him, and if he had, Frodo's Sword of Westernesse would have been just as deadly to the Witch King as the Witch King's Morgul Blade was to Frodo -- to being a near useless welp for the majority of the three movies. For those who have only seen the movies it's no wonder why Frodo gets so much hate. Denethor goes from being a wise leader who only falls into despair and madness at the very end to a man who hasn't even bothered to prepare the city for the battle he knows is coming and who coldly & needlessly wastes the lives of his knights and his son on a fools' errand before going so completely mad that he cannot even recognize the fact that his son is not dead. Lastly, Faramir goes from a man in whom the line of Numenor runs true and who is nothing but helpful to Frodo & Sam and who treats Gollum with kindness to a man who beats the truth out of Gollum and is perfectly happy to had them all over to his father in order to "show his quality" before finally coming to his senses after seeing the Ring's effects on Frodo during an attack by the Nazgul. Book Faramir and Movie Faramir are two completely different characters.
Of all the sins committed by Jackson & Co. when adapting "The Lord of the Rings" into movie format, changing the character of all of these characters, and always for the worse, was the biggest, even more so that having the elves show up to save the day at the Battle of the Hornburg, and don't even get me started on how utterly stupid that decision was! "The Lord of the Rings" movies are some of the best ever made, and most of the changes had a good reason behind them, but completely changing the nature of so many of the main characters -- especially Frodo, Denethor, and Faramir -- was the one unforgivable mistake Peter Jackson & Co. made simply because it was so unnecessary. Faramir & Denethor especially were completely different characters to those we meet in the novels.
Also...THERE WERE NO ELVES AT THE BATTLE OF HELM'S DEEP!!!!!
Tolkien said once he was a hobbit in nature. Still, he also said that if there was one character that was him, in-universe, it was Faramir. One of the greatest characters of LOTR. Personally, despite unserstanding the needs of pacing and tension in the adaption, I guess the writers could have made more justice to Faramir. There was probably ssome middleground to use.
is this the same guy from a battle games channel?
I was disappointed by the portrayal of Faramir in the movies, as he is one of my favorite characters, and I love the story of the taming of Eowyn. But I do understand why they did what they did, and the movies are still great.
IMO the movies did him fair service. I just bought the trilogy on paperback, but going by how you described Tolkein's original execution of the character, he is much too perfect & ideal, at least where film is concerned. The most compelling stories have a good trajectory of arc, and while both characters are their own, Faramir is essentially a pick up in development from where Boromir left off, spanning the mannish storyline that includes his brother, Denethor, Rohan, & other men. While i understand people feel the trilogy threw shade at him, the necessity of a different medium allows a variant of him to pay respect in equal measure as much as it can entertain in this format too.
It doesn't do it a disservice whatsoever, it actually makes more sense and bolsters how truly powerful The One Ring is, if it can corrupt and tempt Boromir than it can also do so with Faramir but unlike his brother and father he was in a position where he could have power for himself and denied the corrupting force outright.
What became of the Stewardship when Faramir was elevated to become Prince of Ithilien?
Leaving Faramir alone would've sped up the movie's pacing, instead of diverting Frodo to Osgiliath so we could get a battle sequence on that set, which otherwise would only have existed for a brief flashback sequence, I guess. I always thought it was a financial decision.
So much was left out of the films. So much different. Not a disgrace but I believe because of the format it should have been 4 movies so as to leave out Bombadil or the Burning of the Shire and its rebuilding. The true death of Saruman.
Also big important not it isn't just sacrifice for the greater good it is self-sacrifice for the greater good. He is willing to risk himself and put his own safety in the way for the greater good not just others.
Film and print are different mediums and do need to be treated within their own constraints to best depict the story. However, I strongly disagree with a film that fundamentally changes the themes of a book or essences of characters as was done to Faramir in Peter Jackson's films. There are so many other ways the lure of the ring could have been expressed in the screenplay. By having Faramir be tempted in the same way Boromier was causes Faramir to lose the essence of fortitude that carries him through at the end of the story. Changes must me made for film. Exchanging Glorfindal for Arwen in The Fellowship of the Rings reduced the number of characters to make it easier for audiences to follow and elevated her character where she is a side note in the books. That was good. However, the way she was introduced by placing her sword against Aragorn's throat and saying, "What's this? A ranger caught off his guard?" did not enhance Arwen's characters or communicate a strong woman. It made her look cruel and petty and Aragorn weak and ineffective. It also destroyed any sense of feminism by saying a woman must become male to compete because only the male orientation is capable of achievement. I realize the screenwriters wanted to introduce strong, competent female characters and I support this. They failed in this scene because the toughness and ability are slapped on superficially and not a part of Arwen's true essence, which is by nature powerful. Her character does show that power in every other scene as the screenplay presented details that delve into her actions, thoughts, feelings and desires. The same applies to the changes to Faramir who represents the strength of Numenor that still courses though his bones, even if Boromir and Denethor lost touch with theirs.
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His movie adaptation was acceptable and understandable for the medium but he is SO MUCH BETTER IN THE BOOK
I would say the movie Faramir depiction is great. Yes he acts more like a dick in the movie, but he is still a great character as we see his arc fulfilled.
It was acceptable
I forget these characters are a work of fiction.
Obviously, all of the Characters needed some Adjusting or Trimming. Otherwise the Movies would have been even longer. Six movies would have been required. Such was the Books Wealth & Depth.
In the Time Restraints of a Movie, it was done well. IMHO.
Tom Bombadil could be a Movie, all on his Own. His Character so was Complex.
His Cutting from the Movie was a little Jarring, (for Book Nurds, like my self maybe) but the Movie doesn't suffer for it..!
JRR may have been Smoking more than just 'Long Bottom Leaf' when he formed Tom in his Busy Brain..!?
Faramir was a Bright Light, a Hint of Hope, that not all was Corrupted. He Stood out in the Book and Does in the Movie.
I think Peter Jackson & Crew deserved every award they Received and a few more..!
I am just Glad I got to Watch, what I had Read in my Youth. Characters in my Head since Primary School, finally on Screen. Visualised at Last..!
Great Video as Always and Thanks for letting us see the Face that goes with that Voice.
I have been Listening for a while now..!
The Voice is Nice and Easy, well spoken, the Face aint bad either..! Nice Eyes..!!
Cheers All. 😎
P.s. Nice to put a Face to the Voice.
A Well spoken Voice too..!
Cheers 😎
I don't think the films adaptation of Faramir was too far from the original. My only objection was him dragging Frodo off to Osgilieth, then letting him go. Not only does it make him indecisive, it has him place Frodo in greater peril. That includes an extended journey and releasing him in the midst of a battle to travel through what would have been land crawling with Orcs, though the film doesn't bother with this, instead just transporting them back to Ithilian. I don't think the motivation for the change of mind is well portrayed either. I think the whole section is just a way of getting a Hobbit to be at that battle to justify portraying it.
The fact that Faramir is not affected by the One Ring shows how strong his will is. However, one of the underlying reasons why Faramir is not affected by the One Ring, regardless of his will, is that the One Ring cannot find a weakness in Faramir that it can manipulate and does not show the will to choose him as its bearer. This situation should not be viewed only specifically for Faramir. The attitude of the One Ring towards people who interact or have the potential to interact with the One Ring also shapes the reactions of these people. Don't misunderstand my approach. I'm not trying to trivialize Faramir's will. I just think the incident should be looked at from the perspective of the One Ring.
I fall into the category of change what is needed to move the story along for the non readers.
He wasn't a bore like his brother. He even was kind of funny sometimes.
TBS looks like a rohirim in real life wtf !
In my opinion the corrupting power of the ring was well established in the movie without any change that impacted the character of Faramir. I found in disappointing. It necessitated other changes from the original source that could have been avoided.
What makes you so special? Nothing, I’m just a kid from Gondor.
I thought his film adaptation was ok I still took him as a good man but also willing to do anything almost to recklessness for denethors affection
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I still am angry about how they changed his character in the movie.