Does Splatoon 3 Have a SHOOTER BIAS Problem?
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The shooter class in Splatoon 3 has quite a lot of positive treatment, let's talk about that.
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It's honestly shocking that we've gone 5 months without a new stringer or splatana kit, all we got is a grizzco splatana
You’d think the newest weapons would get a new kit instead of the same shooter from the first game
The grizzco splatana should have totally been the heavyweight splatana you can use in normal battles. It’s to fun to just be used in salmon run everyone 2 months.
@@theelephantintheroom2170 >Rainmaker shield 90% popped by the other team
>Grizzco Splatana NYOOMS in with a dash from downtown
>Instant pop for their team
sounds kinda blursed to me
And Brella
Technically if we’re counting Grizzco weapons - Grizzco stringer was the first one lol
I mean yes we still only have 2 brush types and 2 splatana and stringer types with only 3 brellas and none of them have gotten a new type period
i too would enjoy a hefty splatling concept. its gotta get a big fat ink barrel.
At this point, I want ice mechanics on a competitive map than I do another shooter. Maybe they are saving the best of last?
Exactly I main eliter and I’d rather have ink armor readded than more shooters
I don’t care about the buffs and nerfs that shooters get, there’s just way too many of them
For me, one of the biggest things in splatoon is trying out new things all the time. I main octobrush, tried to use wiper, and am now using heavy. The problem I have with shooters is only how many there are. For most other weapons, it’s “octobrush is getting boring, let me try something new” while with shooters, it’s usually something like “52 gal is getting boring, time to use splash”
If every player instantly adapts to shooters, where’s the variety in the game? I don’t think it would be very fun having like, 6 shooters in a game. Sure, it’s easy to pick up since you start with a shooter, but that doesn’t mean that a player should just stick with that weapon class just because the game automatically gives it to you.
Basically what I’m saying is: too many shooters, need more of other weapon classes
This shooter bias reminds me of the longsword bias in monster hunter
it doesn't because angle SHOOTER is a bad sub
I want more Slosher , Splatanas and Tri-stinger!
I agree with pretty much every point you made. Yes it is a problem with how the devs treat the classes, not a problem from the players. Yes we should be wanting the other classes to be treated like shooters, not the other way around.
The only point I disagree with you on is that shooters deserve some special treatment because they are played the most. I feel like (and I know many people would disagree with this opinion) the devs should be working to make every class just as desirable to play and thus there shouldn't be a concept of shooters being the base class that most people play. If shooters had been roughly kept in line with the other classes right from the start I don't think we ever would have seen the thinking that shooters are the standard class. To me one of the big things that makes splattoon stick out from other "shooter" games is that there is such a wide variety of weapon classes that play very differently. I'd put that up there with it's very fun and interesting movement options and the whole inking mehcanic for things that make splatoon my shooter of choice. So I'd really like to break the thinking that shooters are the basic class and everything else are extra or advanced or unusual. They are all classes and they should be treated the same (especially by the devs)
I do think that there are too many shooters, but honestly I think that they are just easier to design. Shooters are so versatile and it's really insane. Other weapon classes aren't nearly as versatile and so I think that contributes to it. But yeah definitely too many shooters.
There are two things going on in this situation, one is that it’s likely Nintendo is doing this from a business perspective to bring in more players to pick up and play. They won a Game Award and the game is still doing very well regardless of the meta. So it seems understandable from Nintendo’s perspective to make more weapons people will understand easier and go with.
But I do want to say a counter towards all of this, Vicvillon in a stream did say that after Season 3, the NEED to prioritize the other classes to avoid over-saturating the game with shooters. Otherwise it will lose what made the game unique.
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I hope that it's just the first few seasons that focus on shooters, and then we'll get an explosion of everything else.
They need to buff the other classes, especially the Rollers.
@@4xzx4 to be honest the only thing Rollers need is range and no damage falloff. But I understand they can’t exactly do that since they’re already strong close range.
@@zaku7 ...And consistent hitboxes without any deadzones in them...? And better time-to-kill, at least the Splat Roller...? I don't understand why the Splat Roller can't OHKO at midrange while having tons of startup lag... A midweight weapon that can only kill at close range while having the weaknesses of a heavyweight weapon... Why, just why... The Splat Roller has been ignored ever since the nerf from way back in Splatoon 1. Ignored for the whole lifespan of Splatoon 2 (aside from some very minor QoL buffs). I don't think people realize how terrible and garbage that weapon is. Try to play it only for a day and see for yourselves how inconsistent and bad it really is...
It is very fitting this gets posted on the same day we find out what Neo Splash's kit is
i was already in shambles over ttek being objectively better than slosher, but now it feels like the devs are trolling Me Specifically
probably made it as a response to the neo splash
or maybe he had it ready when the next shooter bias moment came
Suction Bomb and Triple Inkstrike... 💀
Yeah as if tc didn't have enough strike and suction span. Rip my hydra's charge even more now 💀
Even as a shooter "main", I agree with there being a Shooter Bias, which is a shame because I WANT to branch out & pick up other weapons classes, but there aren't really any kits from the other classes that I like in the game right now. It continues to baffle me that it will soon be 9 months of Splatoon 3 (end of Fresh Season) where the Wiper and Tri-Stringer classes, the two NEW classes in the game, don't have any alt kits.
They won’t get any kits until Season 5 or 6, they want to bring all the old kits back first and sprinkle in some new Specials and maybe subs. I also did the math that we may get a new class as well🥰
thats exactly what im thinking
brushes have had the smallest vanilla pool since they were announced. how have they not made a new brush weapon in 7 years
@@RinaOfCutenesswhile I like bringing back other kits from past games, it seems like it’s unfair and leaves little variety
There are so many weapons that i liked to play in S2 that i cant bring myself to play now because of the kits it feels like we are going backwards so many times 😔
Waiting for a single new splatana, stringer, or brella kit.
Please don't forget the brushes. We didn't get a single new weapon since the first game, the kits are scheiße, the maps don't help...
@@marmite-landfr, I can work well with the map design, as less than ideal as it is, but I want to see more brushes introduced now that they're their own class, which was distinguished I believe 6 years ago
Like, I wanna see a support-based brush like what rollers got with the Big Swig, maybe a super heavy brush, and other parallel kits to what rollers got
(Also the Flipbrush from Project Splatoon 3, I would very much enjoy having a dodge roll while "rolling")
i'm hoping for a better Stringer.
i love the Tri-Stringer, but the kit, despite - slowly - getting used to it, isn't what i'd call favourable. i want to snipe things with a bow!
and the kit isn't the only thing that i hope to see; i hope the design will be great, too.
here's my idea for a new Stringer: a recurve longbow; greater range and fires only one shot. a dedicated splatter.
the kit would come with Burst Bomb and Trizooka/Inkjet.
@@cjlite0210 the brushes become less than ideal at higher level play, it was never really the meta except for clam blitz. i'm really struggling to climb up as other players become more and more aware of game tactics and can easily counter the surprise factor of a brush coming swinging at them. I rely heavily on speed, stealth, environments, bomb play, and teammate placement play to get the kills. Like i say in my own comment, how is it than i usually run at around 13 kills 3 deaths and suddently on the dreaded underside of a bridge map, which is just a long corridor without any verticality, it becomes 8 kills 5 deaths, or sometimes worse depending on my teammates and the weapons around ? Also speaking of brushes, why not the opposite ? A super thin feeble and short range brush that goes really fast and does tons of damage ? Like a sort of abrasive toothbrush ?
Waiting to see a new brush, splatana, or stringer.
No class should have just 2 weapons in it, imo.
something extra to add to the point of shooters being the most popular class at 3:08
during splatoon 2, most tournament organisers referenced a large community poll for the maplists they used for their tournaments. That community poll simply allowed people to vote for every mapmode combination that they liked.
the result of this was that because shooter players made up such a significant part of the playerbase, maps that favoured short to mid range shooters were heavily voted for, while maps that those weapons struggled on and were generally beneficial to longer range weapons (arowana, triggerfish) or weapons that do well with varied terrain (blackbelly) were voted against. So, basically every map pool for every tournament was a shooters paradise for the last two years of splatoon 2.
I think a way to solve it would be taking a certain group of players, and separating them with the classes they play into blocks
Each block has a certain amount of votes, and the block decides what to use those votes on
This should eliminate the bias towards shooters in this scenario by making all classes even
This is why there is no problem with splatoon 3’s maps. Shooters have the weapons, give the maps to chargers lmao. The map design is a natural nerf to shooters. If you want shooters to get nerfed, support map designs unfriendly to them
This reminds me of a discussion a couple of Smash pro players had in one video: one of them wanted a more varied list of stages (I don't remember if necessarily a higher amount), so that the heavy characters could have a higher chance to shine in certain matches.
“Been spending most our lives living in a shoota’s paradise.
Been spending most their lives living in a shoota’s paradise.
Been spending most our lives living in a shoota’s paradise.
Keep spending most our lives living in a shoota’s paradise.”
@@cultmecca
The map design favours chargers and yet the best weapon in the game is still a short-range shooter
i think the biggest issue for me is that while yes, shooters can be the introductory class, they also showcased the stringer 2 YEARS AGO and all we have is the vanilla kit and reeflux. no new types of stringers or alternate kits. nothing. the flagship weapon of the game hasnt been given any real attention which is concerning
You know there's a problem when, in a game with Hydra and E-Liter, the best backline weapon is splash-o-matic
As an eliter main, This is the problem. I work so hard on my aim, I practice and then some funny 4 splash team comes along.
“Surely they’ll fix brella this time” - Brella Mains when they hear this is an important patch update
I did not need to be called out like that 😭
( pats shoulder in comfort ) don’t give up hope.
"I hope they increase the damage, I hope the shield of undercover get more hp, I hope they allow the undercover brella to shoot faster, and I hope that they give the undercover brella a new kit for FRESH SEASON"
Nintendo: Nope, Nope, Nope, and Nope! We nerf brella and do nothing about the lag of it getting shot through its shield while making it even worse by giving it ink mines rather than splat bomb or burst. Ok purr"
Did you mean *Sadomasochists*
Surely I'll get a new kit for my low-key beloved Undercover brella _(inhales copium)_
I can only hope that Splatoon 3's meta history will be the reverse of Splatoon 2's. Real shitty at the start but very good at the end.
🤡🤡🤡
i mean s2 1.0's were very bad and 2.0's were p bad so maybe crab hell will end soon???? hopefully?????
Cutting off right at 3.2
The thing is part of what made people fall in love with this game was the amount of wacky weapons and all, and a lot of different gimmicks in the stages, them making shooters much more viable and giving them more kits than any other weapon and at the same time making the most boring and bland stages ever without any flank routes is slowly killing this game
Mahi Mahi is by far the most obvious example. Such a good map in 1 but they somehow ruined it
True, they need to fix this ASAP
@@zoruasnivy Pfp Sauce (Artist)? 🗿
Looked through splatoon 3 patch history and including special cost changes, shooters have been buffed 13 times, and non shooters have been buffed 7 times
It gets worse
Shooters have been nerfed 1 time
And non shooters have been nerfed 7 times
What makes it worse is that they buff or nerf shooters based around them being "All Rounders", they should be able to "do everything" but they nerf every non shooters because they're "too good" at the only thing they excel, for example the nerfs to Carbon Roller because they got too many kills, nerfs to brush speed or ink efficiency because they "do too much", so on and on.
@@KalleDemos666 cries in brella
@- zsDUGGZ - you play brella, you knew what you were in for :p
Fr tho I wish they would help the brellas out, it's an interesting class that directly deals with shooters
Splatoon 3 has only been out for a few months, and the direct said updates will come for (around) 2 years.
It will get worse
Exactly
I still can't believe that they nerfed Machine and Booyah Bomb but left Splash and Crab Tank practically untouched
OMG THEY NERFED MY CRAB TANK BY ONE SECOND WHICH CAN BE NEGATED WITH SPECIAL POWER UP 😱
@@BowlOSoup6661 truly the most significant nerf in the history of splatoon
As an og undercover main as well as a competitive stringer player, it makes me so sad to see some of my favorite weapon classes get neglected like this. I am on so much hopium that we'll see some more buffs, kits, and variants for these weapons in a patch soon.
There actually is something that we as a community can do about shooter bias. It is to organize tournaments with weapon and team comp restrictions that encourage variety and have the same amount of prestige as the main tournament series. Right now, the privilege aspect is that shooter players get to play their favorite weapons in tournaments that everyone respects. We need to build the same kind of respect for people who are interested in a different form of Splatoon, one where there is at most one shooter on a team, and we can’t keep waiting for Nintendo to fix the problem for us.
More like we should just spam shooter from now on so Nintendo know the problem lol
@@tiqosc1809 Shooters have been overused to a ridiculous amount already. Check Splatoon Splatnet stats. It's almost all shooters. I'm pretty sure that's exactly how Nintendo wants it too.
@@tiqosc1809 "Wow, everyone is using the Shooter class right now. They must really love it! Let's add EVEN MORE!!!!!"
*Bad Ending*
@@jaz3766 watch as they keep up with the shooter kits to the point when the final update comes out we only have like 90 weapons in the game and half are just shooters
For the comp scene I propose we just ban everything except for toxic mist only turf war matches. Then each team has a fair and equal chance of winning. Also a lot more room for skill expression. Overall a reasonable choice moving forward as I see it.
even point sensor?
Angle shooter?
Squid Beakon turf wars!!
i think its so weird how the splatana and stringer being the new weapons havent received any new kits yet, but when dualies were new to splatoon 2 they were getting kits almost every time an update added weapons. also as a dynamo main im dying of thirst waiting for the golden or kensa dynamo to get added back.
After todays news on Splatoon JP, I needed a nice pick me up. Thank you Mr. Prochara sir Hope Brella gets something in a week from now with the patch (:
The timing of this video couldn't be better with the reveal of the Neo Splash kit.
Splatoon 3 is my first Splatoon game, and the reason I chose to play ur was because of the weapon diversity! I’ve always had issues in shooters because my aim isn’t amazing, but Splatoon lets me play other weapons that let me utilize my strengths. I’m worried that over saturating the game with shooters will push away players like me, who love this game because it isn’t just another shooter gun game! Splatoon’s greatest strength to me is the different weapon classes, and I don’t want that go away on a higher level.
I really really appreciate content creators like you who really try and approach these topics from a healthy and level-headed and objective place, rather than just raging and frothing at the mouth about things.
Shooter privelage has literally taken over splatoon 2 and is starting to take over 3. This is a very beneficial topic to cover
Some people are saying that splatoon 3 is splatoon 2.5. I’m not one of these people but if this shooter bias continues, this game IS going to turn into splatoon 2.5
@@newstar2248 if Splatoon 2 is Splatoon 1.5... then is Splatoon 3 Splatoon 2????
@@Fanican big brain
@@newstar2248 One thing isn't going to turn it into Splatoon 2.5. The game is very different from Splatoon 2 so calling it "Splatoon 2.5" already makes you look like an idiot, just take a look at the DLC. Due to the amount of differences it has from the second game it just can't be considered that
@@ilovemydog240 Bro, we are talking about gameplay here. If it keeps going like this, it’s gonna play the same as splatoon 2 did at the end of its life
Off topic but congrats on 100k subs! You make some of the best Splatoon content! Great job man!
There's also the 'ease' of balancing shooters, from a developer perspective. You can do that on a spreadsheet. RNG * shotSize/hitbox * deltaRange * dps= one shooter's approach zone, divide that by speed to figure out when a 1v1 happens, then rng*shotSize/hitbox*dps to figure out who wins a battle. You could chart this out and figure out every matchup by of every shooter, probabilistically. The math's a little more complicated when you consider shot drop off, shot counts being a big variable in dps, and other factors, but you get one ruberic and you can run every shooter through it. It's a little easier to throw something like a blaster into the formula, but something like the octo brush just has such a different play style. It's harder for the calculation to be meaningful because of the damage model, and things like physical fatigue for semiauto weapons.
And there's player psychology too. You can visualize the difference of danger for the four splattershots against eachother, and they will feel as differently dangerous as the dps and range, but if you feel like eliter is more dangerous under mathematically similar circumstances, the devs HAVE to make the eliter weaker, because the non-competative players won't want to play against it.
“Does Splatoon 3 have a shooter bias problem?”
Me: *CORRECT.*
I know you had this video planned for a while, but it's still funny (and fitting) that this video released after we found out about Neo Splash lmao.
"Good ideas that are a bit overtuned" seems to be a theme in Splatoon 3. It's the case with Crab Tank (and maybe even Triple Inkstrike) and it's the case with Shooter Bias too. I understand that shooters are meant to be the easy, entry-level weapons that even the most inexperienced players can have success in, but we wouldn't want it to be TOO easy to win with them when compared to the other classes...
As someone who has been using shooters mainly for the most part since splat1, I think its pretty crazy how we haven't gotten 2nd kits for weapons like the splatanas and stringers yet...and thats not even counting some of the others like brellas. Yes shooters should probably get a tad more attention since they are technically the introduction class into the game, but not to where some of the other classes are getting ignored like they have been lately. Never understood that last 52 buff either.
Fellow og shooter main here, I 100% agree. Im shocked that shooters are getting more than 2 kits every season and its really annoying. I personally don’t like vanilla splattershot’s kit (Splattershot is my main shooter) as i kinda suck with Trizooka and im not too good with triple Inkstrike on tentatek, so other weapons to use with actual good kits (splatanas cuz I love swords COUGH COUGH) would be nice 😂
Just wait till brella gets 91 damage again, we're gonna beat up all of those shooters
Video 88 of commenting on Chara videos till brella gets fixed
Danm keep it up
We've yet to see the patch notes;
there's still hope
Honestly if they made different weapons with slight variations like you mentioned with Splatling at 7:00 we could have more equal special representation so a better variety of specials could be in each match. It also allows players to experiment with new specials without straying away too far from their favorite play style.
Yeah instead of six crabs in one match
I'm really starting to feel bad for brella, stringer, and splatana players because it's almost as if the devs just forgot them entirely
Also wanna point out the possibility that the devs could be bias towards shooters because they're what they understand the best of the 11, able to give them the best kits possible while unable to for other classes because they could also not understand all the adaptability options, unable to give the perfect suitable kits.
looking at sheldon’s “advice” this feels true
It's so odd, Tri-Stringer is far and away the weapon I have the most fun with yet we're three seasons in and I have, count em, 1 kit. You'd think that the weapon on the cover art would get more support than this, but I guess not.
I think that a company as big as nintendo, can't get someone to talk to comp players or just watch and get opinions from japanese comp players
i don't understand why they don't listen to their community
@@nodebuh2026 Why would they care? Splatoon is making them tons of cash, as long as people keep buying the game and playing it why would they do anything? As much as people love to complain about the game's problems and go "Why doesn't Nintendo listen?" no one actually seems willing to stop playing or supporting the game.
Yeah, I would like to see a new kit for the Reef-LUX, as the devs giving it tenta missiles was a mistake.
I mean there's not much we can do about it but this issue actively impacts my overall enjoyment of the game. I feel like I just can't compete with my weapon of choice and if I get back in I'll just have to learn Ttek, 52 or Splash to do anything.
Those are the 3 shooters that I main and am able to use. Good ones to go for when switching to shooters.
@@Jerajewellery I think you missed my point, I'm a dualie squelcher main and I feel like I'm being forced to switch if I want to play because those shooters are so meta-defining that anything else becomes a liability.
honestly the thing that bothers me the most is how safe the majority of shooter kits are. It's very rare that they get the more uncommon or niche subs and specials, when they're probably the best class to get them. Yeah bombs are good for new players, because they're good in general, but giving people safe main weapon options with weirder subs like say beacons and a more diverse range of specials than just all the displacement stuff that's good right now would gi ve beginners the full view of everything on the beginner weapon class. Plus with how many shooters there are, a bad kit means a lot less than a bad kit on something like a brella.
In a future update, all weapon classes will be replaced with shooters
At least tf2 devs have a little respect to not gun weapons, like explosive weapons and *goes on for 4 hours on why tf2 is a masterpiece*
Reminds me how both communities have a lot of hatred for their respective sniper class lol
But yeah, in case of TF2 it probably helped that there isn't really a "default class" unlike Splatoons shooters
7:10 is it bad that I feel like rapid blaster only got the longer range pro variant because it was also technically considered a shooter at the time? Lol
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes, but longer
Given the fact that we are about to enter into our third season and all but four shooters have a secondary kit I’m confident that we’re going to see way more non-shooter variance in the future.
We Just need to be patient.
This isn't our first dance around the block. After secondary kits comes tertiary kits. And shooters will get way more of those as well. It's always like this.
@@sessaku9361 if it was that certain then There wouldn’t be a point in complaining about it in the first place. At the end of the day we won’t know until it’s happened.
So all we can do is Voice our concerns and be patient
@@megametexe5129 There is no point in complaining about it in the first place, yeah. People have complained about this nonsense throughout the entire duration of Splatoon 2 and they still doubled down on the issue.
I’m optimistic too but I’ll give up hope if they don’t stop this bias in at most 1 major patch
Honestly, I not only wished there was a more equal balance between the tweeking of weapons, but also to see more recent main weapons to get new versions, eg: brella still has 3 ver, stringers and splatanas still only have 2 vers. It makes it so there are fewer options for those weapon classes, while on chill season we got a shooter (which doesn't play that differently from the others), a roller made to cheese zones, and unfortunatly bad charger.
Great video Chara!!!
I think the devs also split shooters by range instead of grooping them by firing mechanism. A Jr for example plays differently from a Jet Squelcher.
For me i dont hate that shooters are getting a lot of kits, what I really dislike is how the devs hyperfixate on them at the expense of everything else, brellas are still borderline unusable and the two new weapon classes, Splatanas and Stringers, have gotten no variations and almost no attention in the nearly 6 months that the gane has been out. Thats what I take issue with
Splatoon devs after not making another brush for literally 7 years:
The only thing that can fix this mess is if we get like 15 kits next season with none of them being shooters, not a single one
6:46 YES, that’s I wanted to hear, if Nintendo being bias with shooters then, they should try to give the same thing with other classes. I want more weapons on my splatana and stringers, because of it. Fresh definitely coming with lots of shooters(I admit, I too use shooters) but I feel like it makes me look more like a shooter main then the roller, splatana and blaster main.
I think a point that was missed/glossed over here is that there is a clear pattern among non-shooter weapons and that is the reluctance to give them a kit that properly synergizes well with the main weapon. Mini with hammer, bamboo with autobomb, H3 with point sensor, and ballpoint are good examples of weapons that are not traditional shooter weapons with abysmal kit synergy (also L3D with hammer and Rapid deco with inkjet coming in a week). Those are obviously extreme examples because there are also some non-shooters with great kit synergy or, at the very least, have decent kit synergy.
As someone who kinda plays around with pretty much every weapon, I have found that shooters have (at least 4 of) the following advantages over non-shooters:
- Decent to exceptional paint output
- Lowered points/special
- Higher special output (due to the previous two points)
- Decent to high mobility
- Okay to practically instantaneous kill time
- Consistent (and, for some shooters, high) object damage
- More synergized weapon kits
- Can fill 2-3 roles on a team (limited to shooters with the highest privilege)
The above describes what I think "shooter privilege/bias" also includes. In case I get people calling me shooter hater or whatever, I play the shooters that benefit from shooter privilege the most often out of the shooter class and they are some of my favorite weapons right now. However, I want to enjoy the other weapon classes without feeling like my main weapon doesn't work, my kit doesn't work for my weapon, or that I can't play the weapon the way I want to against people my skill level. Shooters are very obviously favoured by the developers and it makes me and everyone who enjoys non-shooter weapons sad that their weapons are (directly or indirectly) being designed to be inferior to shooters.
I’m so sick of playing matches with 8 shooters. I’ve completely dropped the class entirely just to force some variety into the games I play. Heavy Splatling, Splatana Wiper, and Dynamo Roller have been my rock in this meta
I’ve been trying to pick up a non-shooter weapon for a while now, mostly because it felt so obvious that shooters were the reason I was able to play well. (Also to prove that my 1,000 point deficit in S+ Anarchy is due to bad luck and not incompetence, but that’s beside the point.) I genuinely understand the whole issue a lot better now. But while I do feel a lot better about being a T-tek/Splash main, I’ll still be trying my hand at the new Rapid kit.
Shooters are the golden child of splatoon, WHY WOULD YOU NEGATE ONE SECOND, THAT ONE SECOND WONT STOP CRAB FROM DOING MY HEAD IN
(I’m a roller main)
Splat roller main? If so, same. Sometimes I return to splatoon 2 to experience happiness again. Inconsistency and lag with splat roller in sploon 3 is miserable. 'Think you hit that person point blank? I think not, now get splatted.'
@@libertyadams5961 It was still trash and inconsistent in Splatoon 2, but now it's more RNG-based due to the worse lag because of said inconsistency.
I’m an eliter main but damn I feel the exact same way.
When will we get more weapons for the weapon classes with the least number of weapons? A mop would be cool for the brushes.
Very solid video for a newer player like me. Very concise and to the point while illustrating the problem, the problems it causes and why we shouldn't laser focus on it.
6:33 “Shooters should be treated the same as all the other weapons!”
“All the other weapons should be treated the same as shooters!”
“If everyone is special, no one is.” -Syndrome, the Incredibles … I think.
I am a ttek main, and I still hate shooter bias. Every time I try to play a different weapon, I get splatted by splash o matics. That just brings me back to ttek
desperately desperately hope that the devs can correct course with their map and weapon design priorities soon. So far the updates have left me little to be optimistic about unfortunately
I absolutely agree with the notion that there should be more minor variations within weapon classes. I think the class that has it the second best aside from shooters is probably chargers, followed by rollers, which makes sense since those are all the splatoon 1 veteran weapons.
For the weapons I use, I think sloshers already have a 'shorter range, wider area' alternative with the tri-slosher, so maybe a 'longer range, thinner area' could work out for them, especially because with the way sloshers work, it would more easily incentivize shooting over walls.
in my opinion the shooter bias shouldn't exist.
shooters are supposed to be all-can-do's whith amazing adapdability. they aren't supposed to be the easiest to pick up or have the easiest switchability.
there are some shooters that we can just straight up remove from the game if we tweek the others a little bit. for example splattershot pro compared to the normal splattershot.
we have way more shooters than we actually need for the game.
5:23 is something that I was worried about ever since this term started to come up and of course has happened. Players hating on/shaming other players who use shooters because of the reasons you stated. I already see comments like this in pretty much every discord/twitch channel/youtube comment section when it comes to shooters at this point.
It sucks for the players who just enjoy those shooter weapons just because the playstyle fits them due to their kit as they are just going to get flack for the rest of the game's lifespan for simply liking a weapon from the most popular weapon class, which doesn't make the community look good. Like, I like both of the Jr.'s because of their supportive kits, but I know most likely would hate me due to both weapons being strong/viable shooter weapons.
Overall, the next season really needs to focus on making better kits for non-shooter weapons (which was what I was hoping for in this season) and buffing the weaker specials and sub weapons too.
2:40 I legitimately didn't even _realize_ brellas were broken like that, oh no! 👀 I've been maining Inkbrush and Roller most of the time so it didn't even catch my eye under all the ink flying about! I don't like facing brellas but I hope they get fixed soon. 🙏
Really good video. I wanted to say I really like your term of Shooter Bias for this issue.
Yes completely 100%
I think shooter bias isn't the communities fault I think the devs are just too lazy to properly balance and learn the other weapon classes because they're all unique to Splatoon
I feel mincemeat alone is enough proof that the multiplayer devs are just lazy the map doesn't even look finished
I just want more kits for rollers, brushes and splatanas. I kinda wanna see a stamper with wave breaker, not sure how great it would be balance wise, but it would be a bit better of an option on certain modes and maps for stamper
Reaaaally hoping the summer season adds new and old kits for a lot of the non-shooter weapons, especially the stringer and splatana
But yeah, good points, it would be nice if they emphasized making ALL weapons more fun instead of leaving things in the trash lol
Weapon quantity says enough for us here.
Also, congrats on 100k.
It’s surreal, since I’m pretty sure I found you when you only had around 6k. I don’t remember the number, but I know that it was the “Rapid directs to start your day” video.
Still, you’ve earned this dude.
With these stupid hallway-shaped maps with no geometry i really struggle to make any good games or help my friends as an octobrush. How is it that i run at around 13/3 in the better designed maps and then when the stupid underside of the bridge map is on rotation i fall at 8/5 ? I've been blaming that on my incapacity to stay consistent but i've recently learned the maps were the ones who were inconsistent. I miss the splatoon 2 maps really much, they were all pretty fun for brush players, plenty of height variance, hide spots, alt paths, junctions, gimmicks... Now that it's always flat corridors or S tetris pieces it more frequently comes down to who has the greater range, and forces every short range weapon to use ninja squid. And it doesn't help that there is exactly one octobrush kit for now, which i hate because they put an ink-hungry bomb on an already ink-hungry weapon and a special which only improves movement and nothing else on A WEAPON THAT ALREADY HAS PLENTY OF MOVEMENT. Give me something to better defend myself, increase my range and counter my weaknesses as a brush maybe ?????? I don't know though i'm no designer !!!
Brella's where made to counter shooters. shooters complain something countered them
nintendo nerfed brellas so hard that shooters now "counter" them
Amazing video, you addressed all the good points. I've never been mad when a shooter gets a cool kit, I'm just bummed when a weapon I like doesn't. We don't need to crush the shooter class and not give them anything, we just need to let some other weapons have a time to shine too (and by we, I mean the devs). For better or worse it's out of our hands, but I'm fine with that. We just need to stop complaining about this kind of thing. We're here to have fun, so let's do that!
That was the most agreeable way to put Shooter Bias! I do agree, I really wish that all weapons got equal treatment and of course shooters can be more loved since it IS a third person shooter game after all but just simply paying attention to other weapon classes. That’s honestly the reason why Splatoon is becoming stale nowadays as there are problems within the game and the devs aren’t doing anything about it. I really hope that the devs listen to the communities who want to help this game because this game could become a really great game if the devs wanted to help us, the community, have more fun in it. (also hopefully next season after Fresh season we will get new kits for other weapons besides shooters since they have given almost every shooter another kit besides the four you mentioned)
The only thing I'm mad about is that (imo) shooters are just plain boring. Why can't we have a shooter that's a total glass cannon? Why can't some of the more wacky and fun classes get some more variance? Brushes have been in the game since week 1 of Splatoon 1. We still don't have a third one.
I consider flick aiming to be a lot more fun than tracking (even if tracking is more skillful), so I play wiper, but my weapon preferences don't matter. What matters is that the devs seem to be completely terrified of experimenting with shooters. Nova was their wild new gun, and it's just a pro with longer range.
I just want to have a shooter that feels new.
"Why can't we have a shooter that's a total glass cannon?"
Sploosh?
i very much appriciate how you phrased this, this video is very well put together and i agree!!! thank u chara :)
This video was great and explains the issue perfectly without delving to deep into it, and I agree we have worse problems in the game right now that need to be addressed asap.
I also want to take a moment to say that I love your videos, you do a great job at explaining things, and the tournament videos are also a blast to watch.
The new splash is so disappointing, It’s litterally just ttek, which pisses me off cause I’m a splattershot main. I wanted something cool and fun like suctionbomb/ zip but nah we just get splattershot with less range instead.
First of all: thanks for explaining why the term 'privilege' is really bad and unhealthy. It made me realize that I'm actually also doing this kind of negative, toxic thinking and I'll pay more attention to getting a different mindset.
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While I agree with nearly everything said in this video, I completely disagree with the idea that it makes sense for shooter bias to exist because that's what the average shooter game player expects (3:55 onwards).
This does not mean that shooters should be the weapon class to receive the most love or kits, it means that the game should have entry level shooters which are easy to play and can be used to become a player on average level. But from that point onwards, shooters should ONLY be ONE viable option from many since they aren't what makes Splatoon great and distinct. I can play shooters in literally every other game like CoD, CS or whatever. What I cannot play in any of these is a bathtub, toothbrush, pencil, paint rollers and so on.
The devs should tell new players something like "for starters, a Jr / Aerospray / whatever is good, but the real pros play [insert weapon here]".
Of course this doesn't mean shooters should only be an entry level class in general, but the shooter class should not consist of many more weapons than for example the roller class PLUS 2 or 3 entry level weapons. But well, they can't really remove weapons from the game so the solution you already named is really good - just drop more similar weapons to other weapon classes.
I think this game would be the best if it had similar amounts of (VIABLE!!!) main weapons in every class + some entry level weapons for shooters, maybe rollers and buckets.
That's all it would need to make this game so much more enjoyable.
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So yeah, I disagree: it isn't even fair when shooters "only" get SOME extra treatement. All that's fair would be entry level shooters on top of otherwise normal treated shooters.
ALL I WANT IS A NEW TRI-STRINGER KIT PLEASE NINTENDO IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK 😭😭😭
I’m just tired of boring 4 shooter comps in competitive. Like please, buff the brellas, give us more splatling kits, gold Dynamo, nerf shooter points for special, something
well I am a shooter player so more powerful weapons for me
Feels like the devs are terrified of another splat 1 meta and are still trying to overcorrect even after the state they left 2 in.
Thank you for saying bias instead of privilege, idk why but the phrase 'shooter privilege' pisses me off
6:45 Sonic After the Sequel ost in a Pro Chara vid that's a huge W
I feel like shooters should be the most common weapon not because they should be op, but because they are the easiest to get into.
is it so difficult to make a new kit for a weapon ?
I'm just scared that Splatoon 3 becomes an even more unbalanced mess with it's weapons and maps...
I think because of this issue I'm going to try to permanently switch over to sloshers since they fit my play-style equally ( and it won't make me feel bad lol )
Edit: Im not saying shooters are bad now, more so that I want to branch out and fine tune other options lol
Nice - I fell in love with tri-slosh in an S2 salmon run rotation and haven't looked back (although I flex a few shooters and am starting to pick up wiper)
@@Stephen-Fox that's awesome man! also low key salmon run is a great place to try and learn different weapon play-styles
i'm just sad we haven't gotten any kind of splatana kit yet, i actually really enjoy the wiper, but i had to pick up the 96 gal and practice with it cause i always wanted to use the kraken, having started in splatoon 2
I play Charger (specifically E-Liter Scope) and I’ve seen a lot of… issues. One thing I’ve seen a lot is the player not adapting or learning from a death.
Example: during the Spicy/Sweet/Sour Splatfest, I encountered a player that consistently kept jumping in after a death, no ninja jump, or anything. I started feeling bad (I think they were a Splash) since they were essentially unable to play.
Another thing is the maps. They’re basically hallways with chargers having a complete dominance over mid with no flanks or ways to get to the sniper to kill it. Even I’m starting to get frustrated because of the little variety in routes or ways to clear a Charger. I want a challenge, not a shooting gallery.
Finally, shooters are an easy class, that’s guaranteed. With some being meta and requiring more skill (like the Splash, as you said), compared to others. And I completely agree with the more diverse kits going to shooters, with basically little left over for other classes and their kits. Please Nintendo, add more variety and kits. We need more variety and fun.
I also play eliter scope and I agree whole heartedly! I wish they would add more stringers to counter chargers, that would be a great solution as stringers need more weapons anyway. It gets so boring when it’s just 4 splash players with one braincell walking towards you in a straight line.
Shooters are my favorite class but only cause the variety. I’d love to play a new kind of stronger or brush
Stronger
Stronger the heavyweight stringer
@@heroinhero ngl this actually made me laugh
all i want is a hydra kit with mine again
This inspired me to write an opinion piece on my Deviantart about the whole situation, and the tl;dr is that there's more pressing issues I'd rather Nintendo direct their time and resources towards (maps, Crab Tank, Brellas not working properly) than just a knee jerk nerf to Shooters as a whole. Putting Shooters on the backburner for new kits for a while would be something I think everyone would not lose sleep over.
as a brush main, it gets more frustrating to find that shooter bias is real. we only got 1 kit, inkbrush nouveau, and even that kit almost seems like it was designed to be biased against. ink mines dont belong on a brush imo (im sorry nouveau mains).
to see that brushes, along with other classes such as brellas and splatanas, only occupy around 4% of the weapons spectrum is also very frustrating. your remark about adaptability with play style is absolutely true! i almost dropped playing brushes because of that exact reason.
shooter apocalypse is real.
5:35 Can confirm, I picked up the splash thinking “it’s meta so it must be easy to learn.” I get my ass splatted more than when I played the bloblobber! Every weapon has its learning curve
The point about treating other classes like shooters definitely makes sense: I would love having mini or heavy alternatives to play around with. Blasters sort of make up this whole idea! More weapons in a class is a good thing, but when one class gets HEAVILY favored while others rot through several updates (rip brella) we start to see a problem.
Shooters never made any sense. You have a game with these unique movement/weapon functions, and you pick the weapon class that behaves like every full-auto gun.
I will add another layer to this: Shooter MAIN privilege. Even specials and paint coverage feel a lot weaker in S3. Splatoon used to be great because you could play competitively without having great twitch skills. You could paint and pressure effectively without being a crack shot. With specials generally being weaker or longer to charge, and painting weapons having worse output (I used main up a lot in S2, maybe thats why), it feels like the emphasis is on twitch skills. If I want to play a twitch shooter, there are plenty out there.
I think people are taking Splatoon more seriously, and in pursuit of perfect balance, they're calling for buffs/nerfs way too much. The target of the hate is almost always specials. Its taking the fun out of the game. Look what they did to Kraken. Its slow and a 2-hit now??? WHY? It used to be I would pop my special almost instantly and special charge was a real consideration. Now it feels pointless to even use many of these specials since they make you vulnerable to use them. Specials and non-shooter weapons were a lot more fun in the older games.
'But Splatoon is a shooter game so shooters should be best!' Wow this logic is so broken. Then take out all the other weapons if they're not going to be competitive. Take out paint and swimming too, since thats not a shooting mechanic. Ridiculous logic.
And yet for some Fuckin reason me being an eliter main means I get yelled at for practicing and working hard to improve.
everyone talks about Shooter bias but nobody wants rollers to be meta once again...
never forget gold prepatch dynamo roler and japanese Carbon rollers
the great roller nerf and burst bomb nerf is what's keeping us roller mains chained up in our cells
pray so we never return to being top tier picks