Why don't Mexicans find Speedy Gonzales racist?
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- Why don't Mexicans find Speedy Gonzales racist?
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my wife just said that speedy gonzales created the stereotype that every gringo is a fool ... lmao
Nah
omg this makes me love speedy so much more thx for making me laugh today
btw i am latino as well
Im white but this makes me laugh. Some of us are so crazy and woke
@@godzpeedx7ii75 yeah, some gringos are born like that
I always just seen the controversy around Speedy as a perfect example of westerners playing the hero and victimising other races. Speedy was actually taken off the air from 99 to 2003 because of complaints that he was a racial stereotype. Ironically he was put back on the air when Mexican fans kept asking for Speedy to be put back on the air.
History repeats itself
At this point I fear that a western will criticize someone from the very race/religion they tried to defend by claiming that they're harming their own culture for tolerating a stereotype.....
Meh, I might be exaggerating a bit.
I heard someone say the reason Speedy Gonzales is so beloved among the Hispanic and Latino/Latina communities is because he's never shown to be an idiot, winning almost every encounter he has with someone like Wil E. Coyote.
That's a good point. He's clever, although the Coyote looses almost every encounter, didn't you mean the roadrunner?
@@HighlyEntropicMind Maybe
Yeah speedy is the hero not just some bumbling fool.
Also when Speedy Gonzalez was created (1955) the biggest stars in Mexico where Pedro Infante and Jorge Negrete, whom in basically all of there movies appeared wearing mariachi clothing and singing like one.
That's Charros not marachi
White people: "You cant f•••••• wear a Sombrero its like religious or something".
Hispanic: "Ah yes hat".
Because we as Mexicans don't play the victim, complain and cry for any little thing like other people. We love Speedy Gonzalez!!
I have to disagree with you. It's not that other people are whiny and we aren't. Rather different cultures have different standards for what is right or wrong in terms of representation
Also, the people who complain about things they don't like, while admittedly annoying sometimes, have good intentions and that's something we should respect
En qué mexico utópico vives ? Creo que yo estoy en otro 😂😂😂😂
@@HighlyEntropicMind Nah, they're just whining. And they're jealous of our food 😆
I can tell your Americanized
Coming from an actual white guy, this comment is infuriatingly true (I hope I spelled that right).
White people now days seem to want to complain that everything is racist when that is blatantly not true.
this actually helped me understand all the outrage coming from english speaking countries, great vid, greetings from Guadalajara
de nada comadre tapatía, mi objetivo es justamente ayudar a que nos entendamos mejor, especialmente con las personas con las que no estamos de acuerdo
It doesn’t
@@godzpeedx7ii75 doesn't what? and what even is "it" you're referring to? 🧐
I'd rather have stereotypical representation of my country than none at all.
as long as the stereotype is a celebration and not making fun of it, I agree
as chilean .. same.. I am miner.. but ethereum miner 😂
Speedy is better representation than most Hollywood movies.
@@diegovalenzuela5618 Chilean, yeah the guys whose country as thin AF
@@nightking8490And the ones who get a heart attack by just looking at a Dictionary
Speedy is fast, honest, helps people. How is that anything but a positive character?
It's because he wears a sombrero, a poncho and speaks spanish.
That alone is enough to call a character a racist stereotype by some morons
@@stranger5011Yeah the references to a culture is enough to be called racist to idiots, and they didn't pay attention in other aspects like personality or designs, for example I watched a Bugs Bunny cartoon that had a black person as Bug's enemy and he was slow, extremely stupid, and his design was very ugly, but Speedy doesn't have anything like that. I'm not a mexicana, I'm a colombiana, but as a latina I can understand why he isn't racist.
Great video, I’m married to a Mexican and I was always asking her why she wasn’t offended by Speedy González, instead she embraced this cartoon. After watching your video I have a better understanding of why thank you. BTW I found this video from watching your video on Hittite language which was also very good.
Your comment made me feel really happy, which hard lately because I'm very depressed, so extra thanks
Me growing up as a kid I thought the crows were badass and was excited when I knew they were coming up.
It’s hard to offend Mexicans lol, we enjoy content if it’s funny, and it’s a lot of Emily’s getting offended on our behalf lol
I thought pepe le pew was removed cause men forcing themselves onto women is viewed from a different light nowadays.
as I mention in the video, while that may be the case, it could simply be that he was not that popular and they wanted to focus on other characters
if you actually watched the cartoon you would know that's not true. there are many times we're the cat is chasing pepe and the times he's chasing her the excuse why she doesn't want to be near him is his smell. one time in the cartoon he gets a bath in a perfume and she was about to run away but then realized he doesnt stink instead she basically all over him with fucking heart eyes. the stereotype in his case is women do not like men who smell like shit even if they are attracted to you.
To be fair the cat in one episode was way more forceful on him when she mistaken him for a cat
@@j0an-07-arc6 there's one eps we're she knows he's not a cat but he just smells good and shes just after him. like the cat is way more forceful then him alot of times
Gonzales never did anything wrong, Pepe Le Pew on the other hand has harrassed Penelope the cat for years and has forcibly kissed her without her content and even kidnapped and faked his own death to blackmail her and on the rare occasions Penelope shows romantic interest in him, he rejects her showing he care more about the chase than being in a consensual committed relationship
Pepe le pew is representation of Frenchmen who chase and harass women and they are stinky too
More like he gets a taste of reality on how that lady "skunk" felt
Jerry wasn't originally a Warner Bros, character, he was MGM. But since WB owns the pre-1986 MGM library, he's technically a Warners character now.
As for the question of Speedy being offensive or not, I find it ironic that the vast majority of Hispanics embrace Speedy and that it's mostly Anglos who consider him offensive.
I'm extremely happy that I wasn't born in America, overwise that society would had tried to drill in my head that everything is offensive and problematic.
Latino and I never thought that Speedy was problematic. This is stupid.
Speedy is not a Mexican
He is a Mexican mouse
He fits in with all the cast expect he has culture
I think it's because Mexicans have a great sense of humor about themselves.
I disagree completely, I don't think sense of humor is a factor at all
I have never thought of Speedy as a racist cartoon stereotype. It's a comedic CARTOON for Christ's sake. If the intention of it's creator was to create a racist stereotype he/she failed badly. Speedy is simply a very funny loveable character period. The reason is that Mexicans know how to laugh at themselves better than anyone else. I decided to watch this thinking that maybe I am wrong. NOPE. This doesn't mean there aren't any racist cartoons. There certainly are but they are blatantly obvious. Certain television programs of the 1950's especially were racist; some intentionally so but not all. As a grade school boy I used to run home after school to watch the Amos and Andy show. It had some very racist stereotypes but the characters were funny, loveable and smart so it was a lot like Speedy for me. We should also consider The Andy Griffith Show with its many stereotypical types that everyone loved.
One of the most loveable actors in Mexico, Cantinflas, was revered throughout Latin America and Spain in the 1930's through 1960's plus. He was the human equivalent of Speedy Gonzalez. Watch any of his films and you will quickly see his charm and witticisms as well as his acting skills. There was also a popular boxer who went by the name of El Raton Macias because of his diminutive stature.
Everybody who is offended by this needs to lighten up. God Bless!
Mexicans don't get offended of Speedy Gonzales because they actually find it hilarious and not racist. Unlike other races I'm not gonna say what race but everyone knows....
I feel like you missed the point of my video
That’s insensitive
This was very thought provoking and a great perspective I’ve never heard before all in an easily digestible package. Great video. The idea that we judge all racial representation through the lens of black people in America has never occurred to me before, but I agree with entirely. Good job :)
I am so happy I made a good video, please share it so more people will see it, I want to get to 1k subscribers
As an Hispanic myself I find a metaphor in regards of Speedy and his cousin Rodriguez. But it has nothing to do with race or culture. 😂
I guarantee there are more Mexicans with tattoos of speeding Gonzales than any character on the movie Coco
The real question is "¿Why gringos find Speedy Gonzales racist?"
The mexicans only find funny Speedy Gonzales because is a inocent stereotype.
This is a really interesting perspective and I'm kind of surprised that I've never thought of it before myself as someone who makes political content and studies language and culture. The idea that racial stereotypes wouldn't translate easily (or at all) is both really obvious and yet is also the kind of thing that would be difficult to put together without having access to the same media in multiple languages. Thanks for posting your take on this! Liked and subscribed.
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No
It would translate easily so no
@@HighlyEntropicMind Nope
no it isn’t obvious dude
pepe was cancelled for his sexual aggression, him being french i dont think mattered. i dont think there is any stereotype that french are overly aggressive?
One of my uncles is Mexican American and that guy loves Speedy Gonzales and got a tattoo of him.
Yeah, I hate when they represent latín America like, a tiny town, on a desert with cactus and a sepia filter...
Like, we look like we live in a underdeveloped country?... Of course not.
And Even worse, the "latino = México" thinking
the clip you showed of Speedy Gonzales town was supposed to be concrete stone looking in cartoon form, it was not dirty or ugly as far as I view it
bring back the taco bell chiguagua saying: " yo quiero taco bell"
10:04 Jerry is not from Warner Brothers, I believe he's from MGM Studios.
What about Slowpoke Rodriguez? The slowest mouse in all of Mexico.
He slow, lazy, sings about smoking weed, and packs a gun.
As a kid!! I watched all the cartoons that to some! now deemed racist!😮 even as an adult I still don’t see it!!🤨even if it is!! I’m not a snowflake! I think they’re still funny!!😂racist or not! Not like the woke cartoons we now have!!🤬 Old one are better!! If they hurt your feelings! let me know so I can have a good laugh!!😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Context highly matters
There r so few cuts spliced together to form a coherent argument..
Well said. You’re a terrific communicator!
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Thank you for this thoughtful video. Actual thoughtful criticism is so rare these days.
As a young child I loved Speedy Gonzalez. I was way too young to even consider any stereotyping or racist content. Speedy was usuallythe hero, at least in my memory.
......On the other hand, with his pal Slow Poke Rodriguez it's a different story, especially when he's packing heat.
The thought that the translators sanitized the characters for other countries is interesting. I'm not sure if it's less or more racist fkr translators to change the content.
I am Mexican, I find him offensive/racist but I still love him. Same goes for Pancho Pistolas from Three Caballeros, he's ludicrous but also a hilarious and lovable little guy.
I love speedy because he's to fast for the people who want to cancel him
I feel like you didn't watch my video. I specifically say that the people who want to "cancel him" are good people trying to do what they think is right, and that the problem is that they are failing to consider how different cultures have different standards about what is appropriate
@@HighlyEntropicMind i wasn't saying people who want to cancel speedy are bad, i was trying to make a joke about how speedy is fast and about how i love Speedy Gonzalez, it isn't as funny as thought before now that i think about it
@@ytho7830 Thanks for saying this, I thought you were one of those people who hate liberals for caring about other people
@@HighlyEntropicMind oh god no lol i think both Republicans, and liberals have valid points in every debate
@@ytho7830 I think the Republicans stopped having valid points a while ago
As a Mexican American I always thought Speedy was bad ass. I loved that cartoon. Woke gringos getting on everybody's business.
Voy a escrbirlo en español pore mi ingles escrito no es tan bueno, yo pienso que nosotros los mexicanos amamos a Speedy porque todo el tiempo le gana a Silvestre, si es un estereotipo pero al final es el rapido raton mexicano que siempre le gana con inteligencia al malvado gato estadounidense, cosa que no tiene por ejemplo el correcaminos que gana por suertes
Fantastic video; definitely sharing. Also, I didn't realize you did the videos on the Phyrexian language until the end! I really, really enjoyed those.
thank you so much, and there are more Phyrexian videos coming, I just wanted to focus on making this one first
Great points and good video. Greetings from CDMX.
thank you, please share it
La razon porlaque spedy gonzales no es racista y no nos ofende es porque spedy es un esterotipo y no nos importa es divertido y nos gusta el personaje no salimos todos los dias con sarapes y sombreros mexicanos pero es mui comun ver mariachis en las calles y cosas asi ademas porque deveria encontrar ofensivo que un personaje use ropa tradicionalmente mexicana y representen a mi pais
While I think your perspective is key and you draw really great conclusions, do you not see how Mexican Americans being outside of Mexico (similarly to African Americans) might feel more strongly about the stereotypes portrayed than you do as someone who lives in country that celebrates your culture ? Idk if I explained that well, but regardless, I’m glad I found your channel!
you make a good point, perhaps people with mexican heritage who grow up in the US do have a problem with this kind of representation, but in the end I can only give my perspective
I’ve never heard of a Mexican American against Speedy Gonzales. Unless they’re some virtue signaling SJW individual.
As a Mexican who came from Mexico at 9 and lives here in the USA. This is one my favorite shows.
@@TheDGsoccer Thanks for giving us your perspective, if I may ask, did you visit Mexico growing up?, I want to get a sense of how you experienced our culture
Yeah I occasionally will visit mexico, i go back to where I was born mexico city, ive gone to Puebla and where my mom was born Oaxaca
I remember as we used to reference speedy in conversation sometimes randomly
I'm offended that people are offended for me
the same reason why Italy loves Super Mario
Because he’s adorable and hilarious.
I think desert, border towns in Mexico actually looked like the one in the Speedy Gonzalez cartoon, in the 50s and 6os back when these episodes were originally created. I went to Mexicali and Tijuana back in the early 2000s and large parts of the cities looked just like the town in the cartoon. Just sayin’ 😅
Gush give it a rest, don't ruin our great memories...
Speedy in The Looney Tunes Show was really cool imo
Great video. I especially liked your take on Dumbo. Given that I didn't even remember much from the movie, it was an eye opener to see the connection between the always mentioned racist crows and Jim Crow.
On the note of the Mexican villages in Speedy Gonzalez cartoons. Actually, they're the reason I absolutely always disliked Speedy's cartoons. Not because I found them racist or a misrepresentation. I'm not Mexican and the poor miserable towns in my country don't look like that, there's more jungle and less desert (read: none at all) in El Salvador. But I always hated those towns because of how boring they looked, specially compared to the backdrops of the Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons. I would usually get bored midway through a Speedy cartoon and switch to a different channel until Bugs was back. Though to be fair, I also remember finding characters like Pepé le Pew boring as well.
To be fair when Americans think of Mexico, we think of the region where the border between Mexico and the States runs, the Dry, windblown, sparsely populated regions where at one point I don't doubt it looked like that. We don't think of the wetter and more populated regions to the south. Let alone the Jungles of Central America. Most folks' exposure to Hispanic culture was what could be seen by looking over the fence, so to speak and the dry desert regions are all you can see at that distance.
@@brianboru2762 And that's really a shame, because the forested mountain backdrops in Central America are genuinely quite beautiful. Not to say northern Mexico isn't, but it wouldn't kill to show a few more different sides about the countries in the US's neighbourhood.
blows my mind americans think it's even racist.
You conviently leave out how Speedy was exclusively voiced by a white guy for 60 years. A white guy doing an offensive caricature voice.
I left it out because it didn't seem relevant. I see nothing wrong with a Mexican character being voiced by a white guy. After all, it's not like I speak fundamentally different from white people
Also, the mannerisms of the voice didn't seem racist either
White guy being voice actor for a cartoonishly Mexican character.
@@pepperbytez8128 1.- Plenty of mexicans are white
2.- Voice doesn't have a race
@@HighlyEntropicMind sorry, my comment was not clear. I'm defending you.
@@pepperbytez8128 Oh, thanks
"I'd like to see a mexican city without a sepia filter" - That was the realest thing you said! (but how will i know if the scene is taking place in texas or mexico?) /s
Lol you can’t just ask Family Guy
I've been more intrigued about this type of topic after certain most recent animated show made by the rat's company
great video
This is a great video. Your reasoning is sharp and honest and you're very well informed. Just a point: those Speedy Gonzales cartoons take place in small villages 80 years ago. Is it not accurate? My father comes from a poor rural Brazilian village and it looked just like that
I am very happy you liked my video, and about your this being set in the past, 80 years ago Mexico already had cities and had little towns that did not look miserable
Respecto a lo del racismo en México, creo que lo trataste muy por encimita. Durante el porfiriato, a los yaquis a los mayos los expulsaron de sus tierras, y o los mataban (un genocidio con todas las letras) o los enviaban a yucatán a trabajar en plantaciones, en condiciones de esclavitud. Durante mucho tiempo, y en distintos gobiernos, hubo leyes contra las poblaciones chinas en el norte del país, impulsadas por gente como Calles y obregón en Sonora, que casi casi eran una copia de las leyes Jim Crow en Estados Unidos... entre otros casos. Yo creo que a día de hoy lo más presente es la discriminación por clases económicas y respecto a los indígenas, muchos de ellos siguen sin recibir los derechos que merecen (observa el levantamiento zapatista como un vaso que derrama después de 500 años de las mismas artimañas), pero es un asunto súper complejo alch, no sé como describirlo en un comentario tan deprisa jasjajsa.
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Pero me pareció chido el vídeo, o sea entiendo que está dirigido a una audiencia más general y así, vi el de la historia del ajedrez y me mamó, luego vi otros y dije nmms es de méxico jasdjajaj
creo que sí se parece muchísimo tu estilo al de J. J. jajaja estaba pensando en eso hasta que lo mencionaste ajajja, pero ps tú dale, seguro en un rato explotas cañón, y poco a poco irás formando tu estilo (supongo jajaj alch no sé nada de como hacer vídeos), éxito bro!
Vivo por esta clase de comentarios. Quería mencionar más sobre el racismo en México pero necesitaría que fuera un video solo de eso. Aunque lo menciono un poco más en el video sobre Amelio Robles, el revolucionario transexual, explicando como Porfirio trató de exterminar a los yaquis siendo que el era mixe
En fin, muchísimas gracias por tu comentario. Yo seguiré haciendo muchos más videos para ti y para todos en mi audiencia
8:47 breh
all WB cartoons were voiced by Mel Blanc so speedy does sound more like tweety bird in english.
pero las musicas del Carl Stalling es mi favorito.
I always thought because the person who created was not mexican. When homies came out everyone loved it, it got way too popular and the guy who created it was mexican-american so that was another plus.
As an Hispanic myself I find a metaphor in regards of Speedy and his cousin Rodriguez. But it has nothing to do with race or culture. 😂
Same with all the old movies with the black characters being lazy and love watermelon
Tremendo video, mi buen Fer!!! Llegué a tu canal gracias a "Phyrexia is Hell" de Rhystic Studies y a este video en específico por los de lenguaje pirexiano. Me gusta mucho el análisis que haces del tema y el que se lleguen a ciertas conclusiones, cosa que generalmente no veo en otros creadores, que dejan las cosas medio al aire. Sigue con tu excelente trabajo, muchas felicidades!!!
Mabey Because its a good Comedy
And cause sapinssh words sound better than english ones
Totally agree. The same thing happened to me trying to understand why some of the 11censored of looney tunes were racist. Cultural objetivism is a fancy way of colonial epistemology. Cultural relativism is the way.
El problema, más que histórico y contextual, es ideológico, o sea, literal son sistemas de critica social que se han vuelto enormemente influyentes y han permeado en la cultura popular, formas de interpretar historias y símbolos en la cultura, independientemente de si son correctos o no, es ese filtro a través del cual se juzga un hecho Y es por eso que conforme se exportan dichas teorías, a pesar del contexto nacional, la gente puede reformular su forma de ver un hecho, como de hecho venido sucediendo. Por supuesto los gringos prefieren rasgarse las vestiduras y cancelar literales caricaturas como Speedy Gonzales con tal de pretenderse moralmente enaltecidos por ello, en lugar de educarse sobre la historia y cultura de Mexico, aprender español, visitar, etc... Hay una gran hipocresía en esos comportamientos de compensación y en todo ese concepto de la apropiación cultural que necesita apropiarse primero de la indignación ajena para mantener un protagonismo egocéntrico velado. En fin, veo que tienes el libro de las religiones ahí, te interesa ese tema?
Why cancel Pepe out just because hs ticks and refuse to see an eye doctor
That's bulls.. I'm Mexican and I love speedy Gonzales. White people stop getting offended for something that don't belong in your culture
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video
Speedy is my faveiiot loony toon tho
The question is not Why don't Mexicans find Speedy Gonzales racist?
The question is Why do not Mexicans find i t racist?
0:31 I think they should instead of removing him, just change his personality. Hes French Yes, and that dosent mean that if hes romantic, hes a stereotype. I think they should just change his personality, and Maybe change that he stinks all the time, to just make him stink when he has very strong emotions. I want him back, but Maybe a little less stinkier all the time, and not too clingy. But like, just because he talks with a French additude, or are French, dosent mean its a stereotypic to be romantic in that case. Everyone can be romantic. The reason they removed him, was because someone said he Inspired rape culture. They could of just change his personality.
There was that one cartoon when Penelope going by a different name genuinely wanted to be with Pepe but he just smelled so bad. And he didn't even realize it until he read the translation of his name and went out of his way to deodorize himself
No sé inglés, jajaj
When you say you find a problem with the background? Then show a 40 year newer clip and compare it. When they made those older they were hand drawn and things were done by committee because of the number of artists that were involved in the drawing of parts and how the background had to remain a simple to replicate imagery that they could draw even into character cells to show movement, that was as good as you could do it due to the amount of work/thought had to go into making each frame of the movie by hand and to make it up. They had characters action frames and still frames then did the transition frames and cells as needed. some to having cells of background for character actions where there was not movement into he characters into a solid frame that the characters moved but the background what drawn to maintain the same linear alignment showing no movement even as the character was bouncing around on the cell while the lines had to be perfectly aligned on the many cells that formed the moving image. I think it was a matter of it being easier to draw the simpler it was and the "dirty hides the imperfections hand drawing left' To compare it to anything electronically generated is an almost an unforgiveable sin. The only modern day comparison is clay animation from the picture frame by frame hands on art type handling. In as far it's being a degradation for a person being compared to the images on the comic, no I thought of the people that this was some how giving me a look at something that was far different from how i was growing and it somehow settled a bit of the thirst inside me that wondered how things a long way from here was. I took no opinion of how a group of people from there, cause the only grouping I understood was family, and being from a small town community, everybody was in our tree cause we all are family that come from people that came here long ago., they are all family. This made me yearn to find out more about different people, because these depictions were so interesting, I had not learned to judge folk as people yet remember I couldn't judge family, or needed not to, so I didn't have that concept, mine was more concerned if I was good enough. I am 57 now, and I still feel happy and dhout andele andele ep fa arriva arriva. because..... it just makes me smile
I was not talking about the quality of the background but the content of the background
However I agree that the cartoon is good overall and I'm happy we both enjoy it
@@HighlyEntropicMind You still fail to realize what and why, U said that they had a F'd up message in the background, while probably not understanding all the choices that went into deciding what the BASIC background was going to be picked, EVEN good ole bugs spent a lot of time in cluttered backgrounds if you look but for rare occasions i believe a poor background was what most of the people in the background were so, Also that it was done in non Binary is what makes the so FF'n great
But I'd not find a thing wrong with Those great old comics, or with anything you have said yet, have a great day, had to edit this cause after I read what I'd written it sounded a lot meaner than I thought
@@chipum2fleming228 Thank you for editing your comment to be less mean. The fact that we disagree doesn't mean we should hate each other
You made an important observation: the people working on these shows had no ill intentions, their intention was just to make a fun cartoon for kids, and they succeeded
If was judging the people who the show, then yes, I would be wrong, but I was judging the show itself as a work of art, because art can speak for itself, regardless of the intentions of the artist
In this case the fact is that the backgrounds in many shows that portray Mexico show an ugly and poor place, and nothing more. This is a vision of my country I don't agree with
@@HighlyEntropicMindMind Nor do I, and I am in no way wishing to think or be thought that that is my case, no they Showed Speedy For the one that he helped out and lived around, not one of his relatives were the Don Class either, and Back at the time they were trying to Portrait or Mock was the Noble lords like status that the Patron was held in, and how they were making fun of the Border between the two Nations. You know it was an Academy Award Winner right out of the 2nd Start, where he had none of the Outer wear that he was so famous for. No red tie, no Sombrero, no eye appeal. You can always look back and see people's flaws, when they are around to tell you what they were thinking when they made it. All of us have our own, prejudices, I hate overcooked Broccoli. We All fall short, and sometimes I just got to, Sp Show How strongly I feel about so much that means nothing to anyone but me, and sad as it is, When I grew up with Speedy, I feel still at 57, and knowing the Innocent child, and thye miles from the nearest neighbor, with a Party telephone line, that had 3 houses each houses phone rang but you had your own ring an had to trust the neighbors didn't listen to yours, I am not sure what Speedy had but I felt as If he was my buddy showing me something somewhere lese, and being in a State Forrest in Florida, three miles from my neighbor 30 miles from town. Damn I got run off at the mouth Sorry I am out lol