This AWD MK4 VR6 Turbo fights to make power
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ต.ค. 2020
- Not only is this VR6 Turbo charged, it's also all wheel drive as well. We try to work through boost control, dialing in the W/M setup, and plenty of other hurtles to see just how much horsepower it can make. We did the AWD conversion in this MK4 Jetta a few years back, however the main reason the vehicle is in this time is for some trouble shooting and to make more power.
This footage is captured over a few months as it took lots of time to hammer out the possible issues to try and make the power it's supposed to.
Very Old C2 Software running 91 octane
6262 .82 T3 Precision Journal Bearing Turbo
AWD Conversion (done in house)
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Please make more jetta content. There is not enough on TH-cam
That's a dream build right there
Fo sho
My dream would be in a wagon.
@@COMotorsports haha
Or just buy a factory VR6 all motion from China for $6/8K......lots easier.....lmao
@@jaredoldhouser3301 how would you even begin looking for a used Chinese car to import to the US???
Finally! A real dub tuner/ channel! Love the content, keep up the great work!
Thanks. Much appreciated
Great to see the progression over time of the work you put into this car. I can only imagine how frustrating it was at times!
Yeah not a good time. But I knew I would figure it and new there was more in it.
my brother had this exact color, sweet build👍
Ah damn remind me of my 1.8t straight piped lowered mk4 jetta. Owned in montreal, canadian fella :) Good times. The best platform ever
Love your VW content. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the comments 👍
Awesome video man! Can’t wait for the awd gti mk5 conversion videos
Thanks, yeah gonna start assembling the engine very soon on that one.
Great vid!!! She's worth it!
I just picked up this car, same color, tan leather, same engine...now for mods and hopefully 600hp+! You guys have some great content!
Much appreciated, good luck with your project.
I love the patience you got. I think some tuners would have given up. Wicked stuff.
Much appreciate. The owner is a friend so we just wished it out and have him some things to do to help keep the cost down.
That’s great to see something that crazy. I’m currently working on my MK2 jetta V6 3.6, AWD no turbo tho. But still I’m happy to own this car which isn’t even complete. I’m 15 and I did most of the work by my self
Best of luck on your project.
These dyno videos are really entertaining. Also love the bloopers at the end of this one. Ha ha
Thanks, glad you like. We enjoy the bloopers also.
Awesome video, lotta work on your end but not so much over here. Thanks
Thanks. 👍
This the Volkswagen content I’ve been looking for new sub brother
Much appreciated. Thanks 👍
thx for sharing the video! I love the step by step tune really a nice explanation of what the car is doing! id love to get my vr tune by you!!!
Glad you enjoyed. 👍
Really nice ride. I could daily that thing all day. Sounds so much better without the suitcase muffler and the straight pipe you made it sound a lot better, and saves a little weight. Didn't even really sound like a VR until that muffler went bye bye. Figures that reducer on the MAF was choking it and making it act funny. 3" inlet is definitely too small for that thing anyways. Great work on nailing this thing down!
Thanks Pete, we agree sounds much better now.
Love your determination.
Appreciate it...took a lot of time. But making good smooth power takes the extra effort sometimes.
Wow, Great video. Great car!
Thanks 👍
Fair play, I'd love to have you as my tuner
We'd love to have you.
love this car, he got such a good deal.
Agreed
I love your work and how you show us what tuning is really about!! I can’t wait to buy my VR6 to swap it in my b5 Audi one day!!
Good luck with your swap.
@@COMotorsports i need a ticket for a build im hungry for 450 daily out of a 1.8t 20v awp 06a and do this mk4 awd conversion with all the goodies
@@DickShadow317 yours is fwd? I’m fine w 400-650 HP Awd. I know I’m spending at least 20k but it’s a 70k mile 1998 Audi I have!
@@cristianchinchilla8402 yeah its fun and all but i want the power down
@@cristianchinchilla8402 fwd is overrated
I got a 08 Passat VR6 4Motion Wagon that I would love to go rwd on with a manual transmission but maaaaan the money and time I'll need is crazy!
Yep, easier and cheaper just to but another vehicle.
@Jayme Fortune it's all factory stock... 293hp and 260tq on 93 octane..... Tiptronic transmission though.
vr6 FTW
Oh thats sweet
I'm doing a vr5 turbo bora myself but she looks gorgeous.
Best of luck.
Yeeeee 4wd so good job seur
"and because it's a vr it's already hot"😅 I felt that one. Just got a 24v this summer and the blend door is stuck to full hot, it's definitely at the top of my to do list for next year after sweating for the first month I owned it. Great content, I hope to turbo mine some day, if I do I'll definitely get you to tune it
The 24V head is much better than the 12v... so you're in for a treat when boosted.
@@COMotorsports to be honest tho if u hade a 24v same setup on old c2 runing 91 octane numbers wouldn't be a drastic change.
@@TheChris360 You're correct, the issue really on this one is the turbo is on it's way out. A 24v definitely wouldn't have needed 24psi to make 400whp.
Mines lame , it's a 12v auto😆
Cut me some slack jack ,I'm doing it I to a Ute and if the auto blows I'll manual swap it😁
@@MrTheHillfolk trans swap is easy. Just gives you something to look forward to.
Hey man what’s up, love the awd vrt! I want to give you a suggestion to help you solve the low power issue on that car. Every time you did a pull I could hear the DV valve surging going shhh shhh shhh. That means that the spring or adjustment is too soft for the boost level and volume of air. I can almost guarantee that it is also lifting slightly during boost and allowing precious power to scape and capping how much power you are making. Try plugging it and doing a run to see if anything changes. Good luck and keep up the great work!
Appreciate the feedback, it's very possible the DV is opening slightly up top but the major issue with it was the intake/maf setup, as you can see in the video. Thanks for the insight. 👍👍
That first pull you made sounded really strong. Even for 310 initially it sounded well and good. She definitely has some life left. I always like to boost leak test up to the pressure im running. Because testing at 10 psi, it might hold well, but once you get to 15-20 and above it'll leak. That way im not guessing. good job though. Id defiantly be happy with your work if that was my car.
Thanks, we knew it wasn't a boost leak. As it would take all the boost I could feed it. It was the oscillation, and erratic behavior which was the problem.
@Jayme Fortune as seen in the video. It did.
You guys should look into using a Cortex EBC (electronic boost controller). . Way better then that apexi. It laptop tuneable will do boost by gear, boost by rpm and has inputs and outputs. Can directly log Afr boost etc. Can also fully control the watermeth. It’s awesome on a chip tuned Vr6.
On my promaf 630 tune on my Vr6 I could easily control boost and afr to make mid 500whp on my mk3 Vrt.
Thanks the apexi will do boost per gear and boost per rpm as well. They work good and can be had for cheap these days. This car however likely has standalone in its future so all that stuff will be sold and controlled strictly by the ECU.
nice bora
Jetta ;)
Need more love for these I drive one
I really like your dedication to make 400hp. I would love to bring my Corrado 1.8T to you once is ready to Dyno.
We're ready when you are. 👍
That's my color right there.
(Read that like when a song comes on and someone says that's their jam)
Actually the wife picked her old mk4 for the color ,she's got a good eye.
Definitely more rare, at least around these parts.
@@COMotorsports
When I bought it in Ohio, I never saw that color.
Then I move back to NY State and saw em all over 😁
@@MrTheHillfolk oh im so sorry, for that move back to NY..
*And yes, i know MOST of the state is NOT nyc!! Still gotta deal with their rediculous laws and gestapo like thin blue line gangsters...
It sure is beautiful, Adirondack Mtns and the Catskill's etc! Really miss the lakes and awesome Mtn roads up in the Adirondacks!!
@@BabyCharlotteschannel ahaha yeah I'm in the 845 around the Poughkeepsie area.
Since I got family here ,I'm stuck 🤣
It's ok though, my dad's got a huge 100+50 airplane hangar/shop.
I'm either at work,home ,or the hangar.
Haha yeah I was just up in Tannersville yesterday for work as a gen tech, I could be up there or in white plains, we do about a 90mi radius around po-town.
Yeah I can't wait ,every time I have a nice car I get pulled over once a week.
I got hip to my rights watching alot of audit and copwatch channels.
There's always the straw that broke the camel's back, I've had it with the nysp gestapo too.
And so i film them now when they pull me over. They dont like it but so what, I'm tired of dealing with them.
The attitude change they have when they see the camera is interesting.
Not sure why they are scared ,I'm on cameras all day depending on the site when I'm doing gen service.
Only a inline5 sound better but a vr6 sound so badass!!
We're with ya on that.
The work that went in to make it AWD is really impressive and congrats on hitting 400+ whp! Really like the troubleshooting to track down the cause of the spikes. But what I really want to know is... who was bribed and how much to get a Pontiac in a CO video?
Lol. It's getting bagged. He's been asking me for years so we're making it a reality. Easy car I've ever bagged to be honest.
@@COMotorsports lol cool! What made it so easy?
@@RamsEyeTheTrackGuy 4 struts and the cars like new.
Where they are? Beautiful job
I get tickets with my vr6 2000... I don't even wanna know the torque yours has!!!
One aileron style supra sur ta bora in son good look
What’s a good turbo
kit too put on an all stock vr6 ?
Let's see some pulls on the street
We'll keep it in mind. This was filmed over such a long period we were just happy to have the issue resolved.
MAF voltage peaked out?? time for SD ? Also, I wonder what the exhaust back pressure looks like. Is the IAT at the intake filter and not after the intercooler?
Also, /wave @ gopro! lol
I'd say a combination of airflow turbulence over sensor and surging due to choking the turbo out with the smaller intake. This size MAF is used on plenty of cars making more power than this.
Okay, just by luck i clicked on this video. Just you can buy a vr6 4wd from the factory so I didn't even bother to think that this was the awd drive swap video. Cheers 🥂
Search "MK4 AWD VR6" on our channel and you should find it.
@@COMotorsports yeah I found it. The thought hadn't crossed my mind that you had 4wd swapped it as you could pick up the vr6 in 4wd from the factory so I skipped this video when searching. Cheers, watching it now
How much would it cost a customer to turn there mk4 jetta into AWD?
What a car! That's so cool.
I have a mk4 gli that is my baby.
It's a lot of work, a big part of the cost is getting the right donor car/parts. Which can vary in price a lot.
I have one just like this. Same color.
But mine is vr5 and original 4motion.
Good looking cars. But I assume 350 makes for a more fun car than mine 😅
Very nice, but you mean 400whp. :)
@@COMotorsports oh yeah sorry 🤗
Man iam so baked here at work i would love to go down that road with my 00 jetta 2.0 the vr6 would take about 10 hours swap in from what i read then all wheel drive but their one thing i would change add a dsg setup an you have urself a stupid machine ive seen some cars in germeny chasing 7s with a vr6 one weak point is cylinder 1 doesnt have enough meat off the to hold huge amounts of boost to remedy the issue they made their own head gasket out of steel making well north 1200hp at the wheel
Lol been working on the jetta so long he had a beard at the beginning, then was shaved then he had a beard again lmao
i have a 24v vr6 with about 80k miles on the motor. it’s stock for the most part besides a tune and intake. i plan on getting a Techtonics Tuning 2” downpipe and porting the stock manifolds. After that, the cams will come. From there, i’m not sure what else to do without forced air induction. if i build a vrt or even supercharged, i would still want it to be as reliable as a daily. how possible is that? i’ll be perfectly happy with 300-400hp, if that’s what will keep me reliable. but if i can hit 500-600 and be just as reliable, that’s even better. any suggestions?
Turbo setups can and will be reliable as long as you put the right parts on it. Build it with junk and it will be junk, skimp on the tune and it will be junk. The only reason turbo setups get a bad wrap is because it's so easy to make more power with them. So people get greedy and push beyond what they're parts are capable of.
Nice vr6 build 😍 I noticed you were using a vcds but what else was needed to be able to tune?(Chipped ecu or software)
This ECU had old C2 software.
@Steve Peterson you can't. I think I mention it in the video. We're tuning the watermeth to keep knock under control, and adjusting boost with them controller.
@Steve Peterson this has no problem reving past that.
Yeah so. Rear floorpan replacement as i mentioned in my previous comment. Guess there is no documented way online to do this swap without a rear floorpan replacement.
It's what's required to do the job.
@@COMotorsports thanks mate. Any thoughts of trying to fabricate something myself have gone out the window. Cheers
@@jared4670 it's because none of the suspension mounts etc are the same. Unlike the mk5/6/7 where that is all the same and the spare tire well is the only thing different. Mk4 it's all different. Just buy an AWD mk4.
@@COMotorsports rare as hens teeth 😁 cheers man, thanks for the help.
How much was the old wheel drive conversion
And how do you wire in a boost controller into someone else's software you can't really adjust on mk4? And what boost controller do you use over the n75 on eurodyne mk4 software?
An electronic boost controller doesn't care what's controlling the ECU...it's job is to control boost no matter what. There's no boost intervention as it relates to the ECU.
This is a vr not 1.8t. The ecu does not see or control boost at all. You have to use a aftermarket boost controller. Manual of electronic.
where are you guys located would love to get my gti worked on by you
East coast Canada
All kinds of old school goodies on that...I spy IE surgetank, EJ 'Kugel'...what else is hiding in there?! 🤓
Yeah definitely lots of old goodies in this one.
Please the vr6 Is combien de chevaux il sort
What ecu do you use? The stock one doesn't have boost MAP sensor and maps.
Stock ecu in this one.
@@COMotorsports soo.. the timing is controlled just from the load value? On 1.8t doesn't have some timing maps based on the boost value?
You can’t get bora awd set ups shipped over? Would’nt that be easier than doing all that?
It's now cost effective to do so, yes. When we built this car years ago it was not.
@@COMotorsports I didn’t even think of that.. thanks for the info.
So this may have already been answered but I'm too lazy to read the comments. If it's awd how did you guys get it to work on a 2 wheel dyno?
It doesn't pay to be lazy.
@@COMotorsports fair enough 😂
What size wheels and tires?
Very cool build. What ever happened to the mk7 gti you were converting to awd??
We weren't doing an AWD swap on a mk7. At least not yet. The mk5 one is still collecting parts. We're shooting for 600+whp and switching it to standalone.
@@COMotorsports Ahh ok sorry for the confusion. 600hp in a golf with traction sounds like a blast. Can't wait to see it!
@@creativecontrol9047 For sure. :)
Ok gopro, how was your day today? Do anything fun and exciting? 😄
Gopro: "just filming this idiot"
What would standalone, say Lugtronic, do for this car without any major hardware changes?
It would prevented a bunch of trouble shooting with this car as it would have been running Mafless on standalone. In regards to power, no difference, fuel quality, and a junk turbo is holding it back at this point, not so much the ECU.
@@COMotorsports Do you guys have experience with Lug? Any thoughts on it?
How did u dynoed it just on the front wheel when its awd??
I believe it's described in the video.
Please make a video for HALDEX disconnecting
It's in the works.
Curious what ignition timing this runs on 91 at peak boost
All we cared about is if was knocking, we have no control of how much timing is requested in the ECU so there was no point in looking at it. We just controlled knock with the W/M adjustments.
What did it cost for the all-wheel drive conversion
It's not for the faint of heart.
Is an AWD conversion worth it on a 2012 sportwagen tdi?
Swap the engine first. :)
How do I make a vr6 trans hold 400whp what would you recommend doing
Depends on what you're doing with the car, the weight of the car, what tires are on it, and what trans you're referring too. If it's a street car, then most cases with street tires either the 02M/Q or 02A/J will handle it as the tires just spin. Start trying to get grip out of it by using sticky tires, or going to the drag strip and things start to become an issue.
@@COMotorsports o2j is the trans in question the car is gonna be a 400whp daily that will see a strip during the summer months it’s a mk4 gti glx coupe just looking to do a head spacer turbo setup
@@1Rude86 any sort of traction at that weight and it's not gonna be happy. Ride the clutch out of the hole and you'll have a chance.
Very against the fake “Bora” badge on the back . Mines atleast a legit imported Bora.
Rest of the car is nice! I want to turbo mine one day
Don't hate cause yours isn't turbod. ;)
@@COMotorsports lol
@@COMotorsports I am not hating at all, I just don’t like fake badged cars. I like the build.
@@aaron13133 I'm just teasing. 👍
How did u do an awd conversion??
Lots of cutting.
Bro I know this is so off topic. But have you ever come across any Mexican people in Canada ?? Just curious haha
Not many.
was the awd taken from a 4motion?
Audi TT as mentioned in the video.
What intake manifold can I use on a 24v for boost ?
Custom or cast ones work fine. All personal preference.
@@COMotorsports it has the stock plastic one currently and I know that limits the amount of boost I can run through it
This a built motor or a headspacer motor?
It's an odd one. Headapacer and rods. But at this power level just consider it a headapacer motor.
What system to make the MK4 VR6 AWD ?
Haldex
how does one acquire the proper training to do ur job
It requires wrecking a lot of stuff. Lol
@@COMotorsports i meant that question like an actual school or somthing lol been looking at one in Arizona but thats really far from me
@@Doss_Auto I know, and this is how most of have learned in this specific trade.
@@COMotorsports ok word thanks
do you think a precision 6165 is to big for 1.8t?
Found out my 5858 is a 6165
Look back at one of our precious videos. Blue GLI with a 6262 on it.
@@COMotorsports so you think it be ok with e85? Also got pretty much same setup except cat cams 3658s only thing different.
But would you use the6165 or go with a gtx3076r
@@beefysghost867 it will love e85 for sure. As for turbo I love the gtx3076 had one on one of my cars.
@@COMotorsports I was thinking be better to go with that and e85 over the 6165, for one its ball bearing and I think it would spool 10x better than the precision
@@beefysghost867 yeah can't go wrong with a GTX that's for sure.
I have a Mk4 Jetta looking for someone to mod it for me
We can help
Where is your shop located?
East Coast Canada
You need to tell people more of what your doing and changing all you said was maf houseing was the problem but not if it was a bad sensor or wrong size housing or wrong sensor or nothing
We don't want to lead people on a goose hunt, as every scenario brings its own problems. Were just sharing some of what goes on around the shop when tuning these things.
But to answer your question the entire intake was the problem as you can see in the video as we changed it, not the sensor itself.
what turbo .AR (hot side)?
Just added to description.
I’ll buy those wheels off of you. VR6’s are ok but 1.8T’s are better
They are not for sale
Why not the VR6 24 v engine?
Not sure I follow. This car came factory with the 12v, then it got boosted, then it got AWD converted.
@COMotorsports Always great work boyz.
Seen new company making a ready to race 450 vr6 limited availability.
How much $ in total is that conversion
How long is a piece of string?
@@COMotorsports lmao...
if this was on standalone and hade e85 itd be alot closer to 500
In most cases I would agree 100% however the turbo is still trash on this one so that would be the real issue even with better fuel and control.
@@COMotorsports ya a better turbo and manifold would help it lol
What color is this?
Not sure but the different codes it could be are in the comments.
Wouldn’t have been cheaper and better in the long run to just swap in a pnp Lugtronic setup? I know it provides content ... but why the hell would the customer struggle for 6 months and all those dyno runs and your time just end up where it was 15+ years ago... ?
We're a Lugtronic dealer, also MK4 PnP harness stopped being made years ago from what we're aware. The customer didn't struggle for 6 months, the car worked exactly as it did when it came... perfectly fine at the 300ish whp range. We were just trying to make more power and tuned it when we had the time to do it. As mentioned this is a friend car.
@@COMotorsports On the Lugtronic website it’s listed $1595 usd. I think also that turbo is too small. Thanks for the video though. 👍🏻 I’m just a dumbass on the Internet haha
@@turbo-everything4278 Just because it's listed there doesn't mean it's easily obtainable. Again we're a Lugtronic dealer and have been for nearly a decade... we run it in our drag car, and I've sold Lug MK4 pnp kits in the past. It's just not as simple as you think to get your hands on that specific setup. Other vehicles yes... MK4 not so much. As for the turbo I agree, but as mentioned it was built a very long time ago... by the owner. Things have changed in the past 10 years compared to what people run on these now a days. Side note though... the owner has a taste for power and looks like new turbo and standalone of some sort is on deck for next season.
@@COMotorsports awesome, that will be sweet, it’s a sweet car no doubt. Thanks for showing the process. Hello from Calgary 🤙🏻
@@turbo-everything4278 We'll have more to share for sure on this one, thanks for comments.
Where you located
East coast Canada
Здравствуйте.
А вы можете помочь сделать софт под определенный конфи 2.0 тфси бва?
Просто нравится ваш подход к работе, да не смогу приехать , но удаленно ведь можно.
Не бесплатно конечно же
Ever done a 2.0 to vr6 swap?
In plenty of different platforms.
@@COMotorsports I'm currently trying to troubleshoot my swap. Would you mind looking at my post on the vortex? forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?9438033-I-know-I-know-I-should-have-just-bought-a-VR6-(2-0-to-24v-VR6-swap)&=1
My guess is there is some wiring i missed. Any tips?
@@wthea7913 yeah you've missed something I'm the wiring. Also you want to check out that cam code cause that will cause issues as well.
Can you guys make a mk6 gti an awd?
We have a series doing it on a mk5 GTI TSI which is exactly the same. However yes, we have a mk6 one coming in soon for an AWD conversion. We'll film some of it but it won't be nearly as detailed as the current one mk5 we've filmed.
@@COMotorsports are you guys located in the US? And oh its the exact same okay ill be rewatching that series then
@@benjb8377 East Coast Canada
How did you do the awd conversion
I want to know as well I was thinking about doing this in the future
It's a lot of work.
@@COMotorsports couldn’t you just find a 4 motion Passat or something manual vr6 and boost it ? And if so I wonder how much power a 4 motion drive train could handle
@@losprod.6210 definitely not older Passat stuff. Ideally R32 or Audi TT are good donors. Has to be Haldex AWD.
@@COMotorsports what kind of HP can the AWD system handle!?
*Sorry for blowing up your vids amd comments today, really trying to get figured out wiat car/motor setup would be best for me since ill be buying in another month or few!!
Can someone explain how this car and the r32 were put on the dyno and there awd cars but there front wheels were spinning
Did you watch the video?
They disconnect the haldex that controls the rear which in turn makes it 2wd, he talks about it in the video
It was probably faster fwd.
Definitely not from a dig. :)
@@COMotorsports so it was faster 😆
@@CRIFLIFE unlikely now that it has nearly a 100whp more. More power, more traction, more fast.
Is this a 2.8 or 3.2?
The 12v and 24v heads look a lot different. This is 12v.
@@COMotorsports thank you. This is a beautiful build.
You can make awd
Most definitely
@@COMotorsports uhh 1.8t can do 😅😅😅 tutiroil
@@COMotorsports parts nwws
@@COMotorsports needed
@@carti4644 it's a lot, and not for the average person. A lot of the floor gets cut out. Check previous AWD VR6t video on our channel.
remove that filter maybe...
What color code is that?
Old man green. Lol no idea, but it's the OEM color.
@@COMotorsports that means it would be:
LC6W...RAVE GREEN
LC6M...BRIGHT GREEN
LA6P...COSMIC GREEN
LC6X...OCEANIC GREEN PEARL
Anyway I like...😆
@@robminnich4630 now weed out the colors that wouldn't be considered an old man color and your closer.
@@robminnich4630 bright green
Mais toi en contact avec turbo ģogel en Allemagne il te dirait tout ce que tu veux savoir sinon in france the you tub is coupable the vr6 no problème pour coupable