I have been riding Step On since it’s “soft release” during the 17/18 season. I have approximately 100 days on my first pair of boots (Photon) and 60 days on my initial Step On bindings. I also run one other pair of “normal” Step On as well as one pair of the Step On X. During this entire time using this system I only encountered the following issues: I had some Boa fray on one boot and both Boas were replaced under warranty by a local dealer just as a precaution. This is normal wear and tear on any Boa system. I encountered one broken toe hook on day 60 (the plastic part of the binding that holds the boot toe cleat in). Judging by the damage, I believe this was caused by a rock strike during early season conditions, well beyond normal wear and tear and was my own fault. The binding still never let go as I noticed it a full two days of riding after it happened. This too was instantly replaced by Burton, under warranty. Without exaggeration, if Burton was to ever stop making these, I would likely switch to skiing.
I recently broke a toe hook as well. This happened after 13 days on them (Hmmm ... 13). Must have glanced off something as you did. Same as you in that I didn't notice it until later. I could have been riding for several days in its cracked state. Curious of your experience with Burton. For me, it took some explaining (via Live Chat) for the rep to seemingly understand that the toe hook piece is removable from the baseplate. As it stands, they don't seem to spare these parts at this time. Maybe they are out for the season. I can't seem to get a definitive answer. Supposedly they're going to send me an entire new baseplate. Which could stand to reason if the toe hooks are considered part of the baseplate, as baseplates have a lifetime warranty. The toe hooks look to me to be 100% composite material. I would think this should be a metal core construction. Maybe later, as the rep did tell me this wasn't super common. I'm with you in my fondness for Step Ons ... they perform amazingly. I'm using my Cartels until Step Ons are restored. Stopping to strap-in is a real pain after using Step Ons for a season!
@@stevem5070 I simply took photos of the damage and submitted an online warranty claim and it was fixed without any question whatsoever - I also provided a full explanation of what I thought happened and that I believed it was my own doing. Again this was on a 17/18 bindings submitted during the 20/21 season. I did also speak with a representative and you are correct; the binding is modular and the left and right toe hooks are indeed a one piece section, separate from the baseplate and can be replaced independently. Burton does not currently offer this piece to customers for self-service replacement as it does require a fair amount of force to remove from the baseplate, thus they require you to submit the whole binding (suggested it was a liability concern). In my case, when my binding was returned to me, Burton replaced the entire baseplate including footpad rather than simply the toe hooks. The only piece that remained from my original binding was the highback/rear cleat. With regard to toe hook construction, my understanding is that they likely need to be 100% composite construction rather than metal core to allow them to flex wide enough for the toe cleats of the boot to step through and engage, then flex back into position, locking your boot in place. The 21/22 Malavita Step On binding will have an updated toe hook design but I believe this has been done to address the clicking noise some people complain about.
@@jhrycun Thanks much for your reply! I guess I can see this as a liability concern even though it was fairly simple to pop out the toe hook piece. I think you're right about the needed flexibility. I never considered that. Did you send in your broken binding? Seems they'd want these back for structural analysis. Upcoming Malavita Step On? Do tell! I've not heard of this. Can you point me to the info on this? Thanks again.
@@stevem5070 I did indeed send in my broken binding which allows Burton to see problems first hand, address any potential recurring issues they see arise, as well as perfect and advance the Step On system overall. With regard to Step On Malavita, TH-cam doesn’t allow links to be posted so please Google search “21/22 Burton Snow” and view the first result by boardsportsource for some information about next season’s models.
@@jhrycun Thanks for the search suggestion. It does look like the upcoming Genesis and Escapade have an updated toe hook design. Be nice if it'll be compatible with the existing baseplate, although applying a little wax has always resolved any clicking for me. Thanks again!
K2 clickers suck on powder days..i had major issues clicking in as the snow packed into my boot sole and binding thru the day, even with stomping before trying to click in. great on non powder days but go burton for overall reliability thru different conditions.
As a brand-newbie, I REALLY appreciate this comparison vid - I've been getting advice both ways, and as I'm SO green I have no bad habits yet LOL I think I'm gonna go with the Burtons as I will probably benefit from the more immediate response while learning basic moves. The biggest reason I'm seeking step ons is physical shape, i'm O L D and not in the best shape (yet), this will def increase my time actually using the board! Thanks again!
@@jaydensmith6110 I’ve never had a problem with snow or ice clogging the boots or binding. Ive had them for three seasons now. The only time I’ve ever had a problem clicking in is when the release lever accidentally gets rotated to lock. Which is 100% my fault not the equipments.. I’m telling you these things are awesome. I click in before I get off the lift and start down the mountain. No stopping to strap in at all. Its been a complete game changer.
Just got my step-ons for this season, and have put them through the paces with a bit of everything, bombing runs, carving, park and they've been great. I don't see myself going back to traditional strap-bindings unless they don't last. Which by all accounts I've read, doesn't seem to be a major issue.
@@davidwestwood2457 I haven't noticed anything energy-wise, but I'll tell you I absolutely notice having to wait for everyone else to strap-in. I'm basically ready to go in 5 seconds or less. I've never really thought about how long it actually takes even experienced riders to get strapped in, and in the "sweet spot" we all have pressure wise. The only downside I have found is on steep spots since you need a decent amount of pressure to lock your boot in.
I rode new 2021 K2 Clickers today and loved them. There was 12” of fresh Utah powder and I didn’t have any issues specific to these bindings. I’ve been riding Clickers for 15 years. They haven’t changed much. They don’t need to, in my opinion.
I have almost 2 seasons on the burton steps ons, I’m an advanced rider and I really like my step ons because the boot and binding combo is very stiff and precise. The only problem I’ve had with the step ons is the footrest on the lift actuated the release lever which made the board fall off my boot, I’ve remedied this by moving the release lever to the inside of the bindings, now I feel like they are completely safe from accidental release.
I rode Clicker HB Pros in the early 2000’s when no one had them. I loved the convenience but they were stiff and unforgiving. I’ve been riding Burton Step Ons with Ruler boots for 2 seasons and I love them. Good enough for carving and I feel fine doing jumps and free-riding. I’m 43 now so no more flips for me. 😁 Never going back. Great vid, thanks.
Getting back into boarding after 15 or so years. I just ordered the new K2 boots and bindings, having ridden the old models and never having an issue and loving the convenience. Looked at the burton set up as well but went with k2 as you can still use with a normal strap binding if you want to. Great review 👍🏼
@@jamilphason2069k2 boots have nothing off the side of the boots, the clicker portions are all on the bottom of the boot soles so you can use the k2 boots with strap bindings if needed as well👍🏼
Very nice info! K2 looks very secure with the all metal locking mechanisms on the bindings and boots. Quick note for the step on. You can switch the release lever of the step on bindings to the inside just like the k2 clickers. I have short arms and I find it hard to reach the release lever. After the switch it's easy peesy getting on and off my step on bindings.
Have been riding the old k2 clicker system plates with new boots for a while now. Never locked the release lever. NEVER had a premature release. Would like to try the highback version .
Same here, but been riding the original SST Series (Circa '95) & Magna Series on 2 of my 6 boards since their inception all over the World. I enjoy the "Old Tech" comments. Yes it is old tech that still works because it was simple. Shimano actually engineered and built the original K2 Clickers. Their Engineering R&D budget is more then what Burton is worth as a company (sorry fan boys). Yes the system has its nuances with snow packing the cleats which can be mostly remedied with a couple shots of Dupont Ice & Snow repellant. Yes powder presents its challenges as well. One thing the Clicker system won’t do is completely fail you thousands of runs later leaving you to take the chairlift down the mountain to get another board/binding. Now I’m waiting for Burton to warranty the base on a 1 year old Step On binding due to a cracked front locking tab while at A-Basin. This is the second warranty as the first time one broke due my buddy screwing around. Burton does have a solid warranty. Got left high and dry with Burtons Si, their original step-ins….now those were garbage - old tech! If K2 just adds the adjustable rubber pads to their new Clickers as they had on the originals, there would be zero flex between the boot and binding. Hell make them from Magnesium again like the Magna high back series from 2000's. I have 27 years and thousands of riding hours on Clickers from the first year Keystone allowed snowboards ('96) to the Lewis Glacier, Mt. Kenya ('13)...the Clicker system is pretty bulletproof. If I would have known how bulletproof, I would have never bought spare sets in the early 2000's that are still sitting in their original boxes.
I’ve only ever rode step ons (except 6 months when I had to use regular straps) in the years I used the k2s I would only ever lock the back foot, as long as the bar is down I’ve never felt the slightest bit uncomfortable with the latch unlocked
Great comparison! Interesting bit about the difference in terms of nose-tail response. I have been riding Burton step-on for 2 seasons now, they are amazing for resort riding. I would never go back to traditional bindings for resorts as long as they still make them. Would love to try the K2 if I had the chance, it looks like it's got more freedom for tweaks.
Great video! Thanks! Just wanted to add that after 50+ days on the stepons ridden in all kinds of conditions, the release lever never ever activated unless I wanted to. Actually, it happened more often that I wanted to release the binding but then I pressed on the heel so it immediately re-engaged.
The K2 bindings look like the same mechanism from the mid 1990's. I rode a pair of them for 15 years in a lot of different conditions and they were awesome. Having the bindings lock is very comforting. I always checked the mechanism to make sure that it was clear before stepping in.
I've been riding clickers last 3 years (original type + a set of kwickers) on 2 boards. In K2's narrowmindedness they said they re-engineered the system, so now the new boots won't fit on the backless binding I have. I want to note I've no issue in pow. They worked fine. HOWEVER, and sadly, my front boot totally separated from the sole and I am in the process of gluing my 2-year-old Compass boots now. I had to break out my Flows today, which still worked fine, just a bit heavy. I am considering the Step-ons because of the boot issue. I have heard about this issue from a few people. The boots will go a couple of full seasons before they come apart, which sucks. That said, I like getting close to the rocks and I am tentative about the step-ons because I'd hate to have the plastic tab break off. All things considered, if the SB-190 roofing cement does not hold, I think I am leaning toward a new set boots and bindings for the clickers because I know they work great, if they boots are in good order.
I’ve had the old & new Clickers & the new Burtons. The lateral lift with the K2 is my main issue. Burton has the full foot triangle locked in. I love the k2/shimano entry, but I want my boots/bindings to feel like straps not bike pedals with lateral lift.
I've ridden K2 Clickers since 1999/2000 and never had a problem with them. They are amazing! Easy in easy out and twice as much ride time as people with cinch strap bindings. I ride them without locking and in 22 years they have never magically released themselves because there is nothing pulling the lever while your bombing the slopes.
Same here I've had Shamo k2 clickers since 2001 and never locked them, great system but my boots are shot now and I can't find a replacement, only the new HB versions are available.
this will be my 2nd season with step ons tbh i love them, in pow there great! i also like stepping in when im on the T its a bit of a break on the back foot
Cant remember the year but early ‘90’s, my buddies and took a 42’ motor home to Jackson Hole and while in the tram line the K2 team was in line talking about their new step in bindings, we weren’t sold on them
Awesome video, and wonderfully thorough break down!! Subscribing and looking forward to enjoying more of your content!! Lots of rad sticker love on your board too!!
The Step On and Step On X are identical in function and appearance. The only difference between the two is the Step On X is comprised of a 50/50 Nylon/carbon blend, increasing its stiffness to Burton’s rating of 8 vs the standard Step On which is stiffness rated at 6.
I’ve had step ons for 2 full seasons, on my third season now, and I can’t ever see going back to the old ways. I have nothing negative to say about them except that I wish there was a little more high back adjustment. Other than that, they are amazing and more responsive than you could imagine.
im buying my first snowboard soon and im thinking of getting the burton step ons do you think i should get them and the boots? i have tried riding with normal bindings before and i got quickly tired of strapping in all the time so if these work just as normal bindings i am gonna buy them
I absolutely love them and I’ll never go back to strap in bindings. They are INCREDIBLY responsive, so they will be less forgiving while learning. But I can’t say that I wouldn’t recommend, because they are amazing. I average 35-40 days per season on the mountain, I ride advanced equipment, meaning very unforgiving if you don’t know what you’re doing. So I’d say to start with a softer flex snowboard if you start with the step-on setup. That should allow a little more forgiveness while learning.
The compass clicker was the last run with the old system. The geniuses at K2 thought they better change the set up slightly, now the old clicker don't work with the new boots, FAIL.
Because of the potential for snow to get into the K2 cleats, I went with the Burtons. On my first day out, the first half of the day was amazing, but the second half of the day was miserable because of the pressure of the front cleats on the side bones of my feet. Even after taking off my board, the walk back to the car was torture. Instant relief when I took off the boots. Any suggestions? I hate to go back to traditional bindings. I mentioned this to a friend, who had contacted Burton because he also had the same problem. Their reply was that "it's a known issue."
Hey J.D. Chang, I had that same issue. I wear a US Size 8 Wide street shoe and initially bought the Burton Photon boots in size 9. My big toe and pinky toe felt excruciating pain after stepping in and out several times. I ended up switching my Size 9’s for Size 9 Wide Photon boots and the pain went away. Hopefully this helps you!
You can also try DC Step On boots. I wear a non-step on pair of DC’s for my CLEW bindings and they’re very comfortable. They’re made naturally wide and I had a lot of recommendations on DC boots in general, so I imagine their Step On boots would be as comfortable too.
I would love some step ons but I cant justify the $600, and im at the point where I can just strap my boot in while riding. My current setup is around $350 anyway (board, boots and bindings, used) and if I were to get anything as fancy as step ons id prolly wanna get a whole new setup which would set me back like $1300. Maybe someday.
I have to say the step ons are legit but I’m an instructor at my local mountain and my coworkers love them. Today a coworker and I lifted up another coworker and hung them upside down from there board while strapped in and they didn’t budge
Base on my experience if you have one long run both works the same. But if you are in a small resort doing shorter runs the step on are a better choice! The clicker seem to build up ice at the clicking inserts which is pretty frustrating. Also clicker are a b!tch on deep power days…. I would pick the step on over the clicker but I still prefer my OG ”Strap On” over any of this. OG Strap on are more engaging, there are more feel and control with them.
wait you didn't talk about the delayed responsiveness the step on has when lifting your heel to go on toe edge? which is the biggest complaint most people have. What are your exp with this?
How's the underfoot feel with the K2s? Does the cleat translate under the foot at all, or is there enough material there to eliminate any feeling difference?
The play that is shown at 2:23 on the Burton Step ins are exactly why I didn’t like these step ons. The shitty thing is I tried to return the bindings after using them once and Burton wouldn’t take them back saying the bindings are designed to have that much play. Sorry, having my boots wiggle that much in a binding is NOT responsive.
Boot size 10 and larger is a Size L for the K2 Clickers. Boot size 10 is a Size M for Burton Step Ons. Burton Step Ons Size M for boots 8.5-10.5 and Size L for 11-13.
It's a very good comparison video! But can you give feedback how they compare using them on the runs? I kind of like the K2s system a bit better, but would be good to know how they compare on the runs. Thanks!
I just both the latest k2 clicker. its got a lot of play. very loose. you will have problems in powder as you CAN NOT put your foot back in. when I adjust the high back forward, I can not put the boots in cause the heel can't go deeper enough to lock it in place. I could put the boots in if I sit down and really take time to slam the boots in deeper but so the high backs are pretty much useless. snow gets stuck in the mechanism and boots easily. you have to really step on and on and on and on very hard to click in makes you look stupid stepping on and on and on. still can't get in in.....
Isn’t the right left shaped to the boot in which it would not sit flushed if swapped? Also does it really matter if the levers are on the outside? I have friends who owns stepsons and never popped off accidentally.
by it looks its a lot harder to step in and out in k2 comparing to burton. i have been riding Stepon with Photon boots for last 3 seasons and it is absolutely worth it.
You should do a comparison between Burton's step ons, K2's clickers, the CLEW bindings, and Flow bindings! Also, it feels like your boot is going to slip around in the Burtons, right?
I am always curious about "step-in" bindings, but just cant get over the less than SOLID attachment. Specifically at 2:24 you can see the nearly 1/4" gap between the boot and the binding. Thats too much.
Verry nice Video. One thing i had to find out on my own was that the Burton boots are only available in sice EU 46 and smaller but the K2 have EU 48 which is another factor to look at for ppl with big feet.
The step ons are better. I rode the k2 from 2016 to 2020. In that time I ripped the soles clean off 2 pairs of boots that k2 wouldn't warranty and it was a total pain to even get in touch with anyone there. Also snow gets packed in the boot all the time and your always having to remove it sometimes it's easy but other times you have to break out the Swiss army knife to dig it out. My wife and daughters in their straps were waiting on me quite often when we were off piste and having to skate to a spot. But it happened on the groomers too. I thought they rode ok until boot#2 started to rip off it's sole. This happens because all the force to make the board move comes from your foot lifting on the top surface of the boot. But the sole is locked to the binding with those molded in metal plates. K2 then thinks it's ok to just glue the top of the boot to the sole with 1 inch of material all the way around. So after boot number 2 decided to start breaking I had had enough. I was able to demo the step ons at our local mountain. What a difference! The boots are more comfortable and hold your heel better. You have a nice soft sole because there isn't a metal plate inside. Now because you have a regular sole you can feel the board and what is doing under your feet. This translates into you being able do things that would normally have you crashing. Snow never gets stuck in the sole of the boot. If snow does get on the binding you give a quick brush with the backside of your glove and step on. After demo'ing them that day I went home and ordered a set. After a year the boots still look almost brand new and I ride them hard in all sorts of conditions and terrain. The attachment points are much more secure in the body of the boot. There's stitching that holds it together, not just glue. In the video you see there's a lb of extra weight, that adds up after a day of riding. Go with the step ons, you won't be disappointed.
@@GLHNSLHT2 I am in Taos Ski Valley, just rode clickers for 2 seasons (no back plate bindings). They worked great, no issue in pow and easy to get in and out of and I could lock them in on the lift. That said, my front boot sole was completely coming off after only 2 seasons. I am currently trying to re-bond them using SB-190 cement for roofs. The boots don't handle the strain that well on the foot that remains locked in. I loved the K2s, yet I am annoyed that if I want new boots, they will likely come apart again + I'll need to buy new binding because according to K2 the new boots won't work on the old binding, total fail. I am considering the Burtons or some Flows now.
@@matthewh111 check out Burtons rental store on their website. You can rent the photons boots and step on bindings. I think there's a discount if you buy them afterwards. After riding the step ons and feeling the difference I'll never even think about k2 again. I'd go to straps before going to K2.
This review is incomplete. Since you need dedicated boots for both systems, only looking at the fixes is half of the story. I have both systems and my son has the Stepons. Burton look stiffer in the review but my carving board is clicker+ Maysis boots. Way more responsive than Burton. Also, the k2 allows me to bind in the chairlift while it is impossible with the Stepons. Long story short: I play with stepons and carve with clickers but should do the opposite to be inline with the review.
You need to Actually ride these in snow. The clicker system is not much different than what k2 had in the 90s. When they get snow in the boot and in the lock points in the foot bed you can’t actually click in.
I’ve been riding K2 Clickers since they were first Released back in the 90’s, they are far superior to any mounting system thats come out for the following reason. Clickers have the least amount of points that can fail, and if anyone here has any background in engineering you can appreciate what it is I’m talking about. The clickers can only fail in the latch In the back where as the Burton step in has 3 hinged points that can fail. Each of those points contain multiple sub components failure of any of those could be catastrophic. Burton is a hard pass from me. I’d also like to add in my qualifications for my opinion -inventor -powersports master tech for over 19 years -architectural student -machinist -been snowboarding since 1987 haven’t missed a single season until this year after loosing my left leg due to a motorcycle accident. I’ve ride clickers in their various forms at resorts all across the US, Canada, Alaska, France and Italy. I’ve also rode Switch and Burton.
The burtons only have one hinged latch in the back, and two front hard points that lock in, similar to the singular front locking point on the K2. Did you even watch the video? When looking at the K2 head on there is so much lateral movement expressly due to the way the K2 clicker mounts with only two points (in line with each other) locked into the binding. Verses the stepon 3 locking points on the binding. Have the K2 clickers changed since they first hit the market in the 90's? Old tech.
@@DRP-zy6sl I did watch the video and I thought the locking system was different, either way it still doesn’t inspire the metal on metal confidence i get from years of using the clicker system. The clicker has changed some, it use to be a rail on the entire underside of the boot. The only issue I have with the new system over the 2003 model I’m still riding on is that mine is an all aluminium binding has different inserts on all 4 corners that allow for tuneable lateral flex. Personally I like some lateral flex it softens some of the Impact from taking drops. Mind I live in Colorado and worked for Vail resorts I ride on terrain most of you don’t get to ride. I also need a system that allows me to click into snowshoes and cross country skis so I can get into the back country’s I have an older pair of K2 boots that are hard plastic and allow for crampons. So maybe for people like me that want equipment that works for decades Clicker a better option especially the older stuff.
Jus don’t like the fact u can use them as a regular binding if u wanted to like the clews and nidecker and u don’t have to use special boots them photon boots look ugly as fuck. I’m rockin the Nike vapen that look like the Jordan ones
burton is a trash company worst customer service, they get you to buy their gear but if a boot is too tight and you call them up they assume you want to return it.. my response was did i say i want to return it? but where is the modification department to help me fit in my boot better? there is no help at all they just say they cant help. greeattttt thanks for the help i will never recommend them now... my left foot is good my right foot where the tongue bends is putting so much pressure on my foot to the point its rolling my bone, i already heat molded and took the insole out, a little better with the insole out. which they didnt say that. they dont even help at all they just assume i want to return them.
The lever is on the inside and not the outside for the k2. So already you have to bend over to lock in the boot, but to release it, you have to get into an even more awkward position to unlock it than if you had traditional bindings? And then it’s not even really locked in place because the clip is in the center of the boot and it flexes side to side pretty badly. I’m really surprised, this seems pretty worthless tbh
No one locks the rear binding on the K2.... I mean NO ONE. Rode them for years and I never once locked the rear binding. I think the biggest problem with the K2s is getting down to the lift and trying to speed jump out of the rear binding. There is a slight tendency for the toe to not release and u might have to work to keep your balance.
I have been riding Step On since it’s “soft release” during the 17/18 season. I have approximately 100 days on my first pair of boots (Photon) and 60 days on my initial Step On bindings. I also run one other pair of “normal” Step On as well as one pair of the Step On X.
During this entire time using this system I only encountered the following issues:
I had some Boa fray on one boot and both Boas were replaced under warranty by a local dealer just as a precaution. This is normal wear and tear on any Boa system.
I encountered one broken toe hook on day 60 (the plastic part of the binding that holds the boot toe cleat in). Judging by the damage, I believe this was caused by a rock strike during early season conditions, well beyond normal wear and tear and was my own fault. The binding still never let go as I noticed it a full two days of riding after it happened. This too was instantly replaced by Burton, under warranty.
Without exaggeration, if Burton was to ever stop making these, I would likely switch to skiing.
I recently broke a toe hook as well. This happened after 13 days on them (Hmmm ... 13). Must have glanced off something as you did. Same as you in that I didn't notice it until later. I could have been riding for several days in its cracked state. Curious of your experience with Burton. For me, it took some explaining (via Live Chat) for the rep to seemingly understand that the toe hook piece is removable from the baseplate. As it stands, they don't seem to spare these parts at this time. Maybe they are out for the season. I can't seem to get a definitive answer. Supposedly they're going to send me an entire new baseplate. Which could stand to reason if the toe hooks are considered part of the baseplate, as baseplates have a lifetime warranty. The toe hooks look to me to be 100% composite material. I would think this should be a metal core construction. Maybe later, as the rep did tell me this wasn't super common. I'm with you in my fondness for Step Ons ... they perform amazingly. I'm using my Cartels until Step Ons are restored. Stopping to strap-in is a real pain after using Step Ons for a season!
@@stevem5070 I simply took photos of the damage and submitted an online warranty claim and it was fixed without any question whatsoever - I also provided a full explanation of what I thought happened and that I believed it was my own doing. Again this was on a 17/18 bindings submitted during the 20/21 season.
I did also speak with a representative and you are correct; the binding is modular and the left and right toe hooks are indeed a one piece section, separate from the baseplate and can be replaced independently. Burton does not currently offer this piece to customers for self-service replacement as it does require a fair amount of force to remove from the baseplate, thus they require you to submit the whole binding (suggested it was a liability concern). In my case, when my binding was returned to me, Burton replaced the entire baseplate including footpad rather than simply the toe hooks. The only piece that remained from my original binding was the highback/rear cleat.
With regard to toe hook construction, my understanding is that they likely need to be 100% composite construction rather than metal core to allow them to flex wide enough for the toe cleats of the boot to step through and engage, then flex back into position, locking your boot in place. The 21/22 Malavita Step On binding will have an updated toe hook design but I believe this has been done to address the clicking noise some people complain about.
@@jhrycun Thanks much for your reply! I guess I can see this as a liability concern even though it was fairly simple to pop out the toe hook piece. I think you're right about the needed flexibility. I never considered that. Did you send in your broken binding? Seems they'd want these back for structural analysis. Upcoming Malavita Step On? Do tell! I've not heard of this. Can you point me to the info on this? Thanks again.
@@stevem5070 I did indeed send in my broken binding which allows Burton to see problems first hand, address any potential recurring issues they see arise, as well as perfect and advance the Step On system overall.
With regard to Step On Malavita, TH-cam doesn’t allow links to be posted so please Google search “21/22 Burton Snow” and view the first result by boardsportsource for some information about next season’s models.
@@jhrycun Thanks for the search suggestion. It does look like the upcoming Genesis and Escapade have an updated toe hook design. Be nice if it'll be compatible with the existing baseplate, although applying a little wax has always resolved any clicking for me. Thanks again!
Finally, this comparison has been done, and quite well I might add.
No actually. He didn’t even ride them. K2 in snow will get snow and ice buildup on the locking mechanism on the binding.
K2 clickers suck on powder days..i had major issues clicking in as the snow packed into my boot sole and binding thru the day, even with stomping before trying to click in. great on non powder days but go burton for overall reliability thru different conditions.
As a brand-newbie, I REALLY appreciate this comparison vid - I've been getting advice both ways, and as I'm SO green I have no bad habits yet LOL I think I'm gonna go with the Burtons as I will probably benefit from the more immediate response while learning basic moves. The biggest reason I'm seeking step ons is physical shape, i'm O L D and not in the best shape (yet), this will def increase my time actually using the board! Thanks again!
You’re welcome and I’m glad I could help! :)
you should try the clew step on
I can allready see snow in the K2's bindings being an issue.
They had these in the 90s and they have not changed much. That was a huge problem.
Ive had zero problems with snow
Had the K2 binding nr 1 around 1998-2010 and had no issues at all. Perfect bindings and I had tried different models to
But what if you get ice freeze in the pieces on the boots
@@jaydensmith6110 I’ve never had a problem with snow or ice clogging the boots or binding. Ive had them for three seasons now. The only time I’ve ever had a problem clicking in is when the release lever accidentally gets rotated to lock. Which is 100% my fault not the equipments.. I’m telling you these things are awesome. I click in before I get off the lift and start down the mountain. No stopping to strap in at all. Its been a complete game changer.
Just got my step-ons for this season, and have put them through the paces with a bit of everything, bombing runs, carving, park and they've been great. I don't see myself going back to traditional strap-bindings unless they don't last. Which by all accounts I've read, doesn't seem to be a major issue.
I felt the exact same way when I demo'd them. Do find that you save a lot of energy not having to strap in?
@@davidwestwood2457 I haven't noticed anything energy-wise, but I'll tell you I absolutely notice having to wait for everyone else to strap-in. I'm basically ready to go in 5 seconds or less. I've never really thought about how long it actually takes even experienced riders to get strapped in, and in the "sweet spot" we all have pressure wise. The only downside I have found is on steep spots since you need a decent amount of pressure to lock your boot in.
I rode new 2021 K2 Clickers today and loved them. There was 12” of fresh Utah powder and I didn’t have any issues specific to these bindings.
I’ve been riding Clickers for 15 years. They haven’t changed much. They don’t need to, in my opinion.
I have almost 2 seasons on the burton steps ons, I’m an advanced rider and I really like my step ons because the boot and binding combo is very stiff and precise. The only problem I’ve had with the step ons is the footrest on the lift actuated the release lever which made the board fall off my boot, I’ve remedied this by moving the release lever to the inside of the bindings, now I feel like they are completely safe from accidental release.
oh! you can move the lever?? how?
@@ammakko the Midwest shredder has an 18 minute how to video.
I wish there were in depth product reviews like this for everything. Thank you.
I rode Clicker HB Pros in the early 2000’s when no one had them. I loved the convenience but they were stiff and unforgiving. I’ve been riding Burton Step Ons with Ruler boots for 2 seasons and I love them. Good enough for carving and I feel fine doing jumps and free-riding. I’m 43 now so no more flips for me. 😁 Never going back. Great vid, thanks.
Exactly the same here! Rulers and step-ons! 46yrs. I use them everywhere
Getting back into boarding after 15 or so years. I just ordered the new K2 boots and bindings, having ridden the old models and never having an issue and loving the convenience. Looked at the burton set up as well but went with k2 as you can still use with a normal strap binding if you want to. Great review 👍🏼
Wait is that true you can use it fine with strap bindings?
@@jamilphason2069k2 boots have nothing off the side of the boots, the clicker portions are all on the bottom of the boot soles so you can use the k2 boots with strap bindings if needed as well👍🏼
Very nice info! K2 looks very secure with the all metal locking mechanisms on the bindings and boots. Quick note for the step on. You can switch the release lever of the step on bindings to the inside just like the k2 clickers. I have short arms and I find it hard to reach the release lever. After the switch it's easy peesy getting on and off my step on bindings.
Have been riding the old k2 clicker system plates with new boots for a while now.
Never locked the release lever.
NEVER had a premature release.
Would like to try the highback version .
Same here, but been riding the original SST Series (Circa '95) & Magna Series on 2 of my 6 boards since their inception all over the World. I enjoy the "Old Tech" comments. Yes it is old tech that still works because it was simple. Shimano actually engineered and built the original K2 Clickers. Their Engineering R&D budget is more then what Burton is worth as a company (sorry fan boys). Yes the system has its nuances with snow packing the cleats which can be mostly remedied with a couple shots of Dupont Ice & Snow repellant. Yes powder presents its challenges as well. One thing the Clicker system won’t do is completely fail you thousands of runs later leaving you to take the chairlift down the mountain to get another board/binding. Now I’m waiting for Burton to warranty the base on a 1 year old Step On binding due to a cracked front locking tab while at A-Basin. This is the second warranty as the first time one broke due my buddy screwing around. Burton does have a solid warranty. Got left high and dry with Burtons Si, their original step-ins….now those were garbage - old tech! If K2 just adds the adjustable rubber pads to their new Clickers as they had on the originals, there would be zero flex between the boot and binding. Hell make them from Magnesium again like the Magna high back series from 2000's. I have 27 years and thousands of riding hours on Clickers from the first year Keystone allowed snowboards ('96) to the Lewis Glacier, Mt. Kenya ('13)...the Clicker system is pretty bulletproof. If I would have known how bulletproof, I would have never bought spare sets in the early 2000's that are still sitting in their original boxes.
I’ve only ever rode step ons (except 6 months when I had to use regular straps) in the years I used the k2s I would only ever lock the back foot, as long as the bar is down I’ve never felt the slightest bit uncomfortable with the latch unlocked
Great comparison! Interesting bit about the difference in terms of nose-tail response.
I have been riding Burton step-on for 2 seasons now, they are amazing for resort riding. I would never go back to traditional bindings for resorts as long as they still make them.
Would love to try the K2 if I had the chance, it looks like it's got more freedom for tweaks.
Really helpful. Thanks for the side by side comparisons, exploring differences in weight and adjustment features.
Great video! Thanks!
Just wanted to add that after 50+ days on the stepons ridden in all kinds of conditions, the release lever never ever activated unless I wanted to. Actually, it happened more often that I wanted to release the binding but then I pressed on the heel so it immediately re-engaged.
I've gotten about 60 days on my set of stepons and have had the same experience, the lever isn't going to get accidentally triggered.
@@th3oryO Agreed, im always re locking them by accident lol.
The K2 bindings look like the same mechanism from the mid 1990's. I rode a pair of them for 15 years in a lot of different conditions and they were awesome. Having the bindings lock is very comforting. I always checked the mechanism to make sure that it was clear before stepping in.
I've been riding clickers last 3 years (original type + a set of kwickers) on 2 boards. In K2's narrowmindedness they said they re-engineered the system, so now the new boots won't fit on the backless binding I have. I want to note I've no issue in pow. They worked fine. HOWEVER, and sadly, my front boot totally separated from the sole and I am in the process of gluing my 2-year-old Compass boots now. I had to break out my Flows today, which still worked fine, just a bit heavy. I am considering the Step-ons because of the boot issue. I have heard about this issue from a few people. The boots will go a couple of full seasons before they come apart, which sucks. That said, I like getting close to the rocks and I am tentative about the step-ons because I'd hate to have the plastic tab break off. All things considered, if the SB-190 roofing cement does not hold, I think I am leaning toward a new set boots and bindings for the clickers because I know they work great, if they boots are in good order.
I’m so happy I have step ons now my skier friends no longer yell at me or leave me behind
Biggest reason for the switch too😂😂
I like the mech of the k2 hands down
I’ve had the old & new Clickers & the new Burtons. The lateral lift with the K2 is my main issue. Burton has the full foot triangle locked in. I love the k2/shimano entry, but I want my boots/bindings to feel like straps not bike pedals with lateral lift.
I've ridden K2 Clickers since 1999/2000 and never had a problem with them. They are amazing! Easy in easy out and twice as much ride time as people with cinch strap bindings. I ride them without locking and in 22 years they have never magically released themselves because there is nothing pulling the lever while your bombing the slopes.
Same here I've had Shamo k2 clickers since 2001 and never locked them, great system but my boots are shot now and I can't find a replacement, only the new HB versions are available.
I rode the clickers from 2005 snow was never a problem. What the price difference between K2 and Burton setups.
this will be my 2nd season with step ons tbh i love them, in pow there great! i also like stepping in when im on the T its a bit of a break on the back foot
Cant remember the year but early ‘90’s, my buddies and took a 42’ motor home to Jackson Hole and while in the tram line the K2 team was in line talking about their new step in bindings, we weren’t sold on them
Thanks for the comparison!
Awesome video, and wonderfully thorough break down!! Subscribing and looking forward to enjoying more of your content!! Lots of rad sticker love on your board too!!
Could you show the difference between Burton step on reflex and step on x?
The Step On and Step On X are identical in function and appearance. The only difference between the two is the Step On X is comprised of a 50/50 Nylon/carbon blend, increasing its stiffness to Burton’s rating of 8 vs the standard Step On which is stiffness rated at 6.
So if my board is k2 board, would it be compatible with burton binding ?
Which one would you choose for a rider that likes to butter and do small rails and jumps? Burton k2 or clew
I’ve had step ons for 2 full seasons, on my third season now, and I can’t ever see going back to the old ways. I have nothing negative to say about them except that I wish there was a little more high back adjustment. Other than that, they are amazing and more responsive than you could imagine.
im buying my first snowboard soon and im thinking of getting the burton step ons do you think i should get them and the boots? i have tried riding with normal bindings before and i got quickly tired of strapping in all the time so if these work just as normal bindings i am gonna buy them
I absolutely love them and I’ll never go back to strap in bindings. They are INCREDIBLY responsive, so they will be less forgiving while learning. But I can’t say that I wouldn’t recommend, because they are amazing. I average 35-40 days per season on the mountain, I ride advanced equipment, meaning very unforgiving if you don’t know what you’re doing. So I’d say to start with a softer flex snowboard if you start with the step-on setup. That should allow a little more forgiveness while learning.
I have a pair of 22 year old clicker bindings but need new boots. Will the new boots work with the old Clicker system?
The compass clicker was the last run with the old system. The geniuses at K2 thought they better change the set up slightly, now the old clicker don't work with the new boots, FAIL.
Because of the potential for snow to get into the K2 cleats, I went with the Burtons. On my first day out, the first half of the day was amazing, but the second half of the day was miserable because of the pressure of the front cleats on the side bones of my feet. Even after taking off my board, the walk back to the car was torture. Instant relief when I took off the boots. Any suggestions? I hate to go back to traditional bindings. I mentioned this to a friend, who had contacted Burton because he also had the same problem. Their reply was that "it's a known issue."
Hey J.D. Chang, I had that same issue. I wear a US Size 8 Wide street shoe and initially bought the Burton Photon boots in size 9. My big toe and pinky toe felt excruciating pain after stepping in and out several times.
I ended up switching my Size 9’s for Size 9 Wide Photon boots and the pain went away. Hopefully this helps you!
You can also try DC Step On boots. I wear a non-step on pair of DC’s for my CLEW bindings and they’re very comfortable. They’re made naturally wide and I had a lot of recommendations on DC boots in general, so I imagine their Step On boots would be as comfortable too.
I would love some step ons but I cant justify the $600, and im at the point where I can just strap my boot in while riding. My current setup is around $350 anyway (board, boots and bindings, used) and if I were to get anything as fancy as step ons id prolly wanna get a whole new setup which would set me back like $1300. Maybe someday.
I have to say the step ons are legit but I’m an instructor at my local mountain and my coworkers love them. Today a coworker and I lifted up another coworker and hung them upside down from there board while strapped in and they didn’t budge
Base on my experience if you have one long run both works the same. But if you are in a small resort doing shorter runs the step on are a better choice! The clicker seem to build up ice at the clicking inserts which is pretty frustrating. Also clicker are a b!tch on deep power days…. I would pick the step on over the clicker but I still prefer my OG ”Strap On” over any of this. OG Strap on are more engaging, there are more feel and control with them.
Agreed I would never waste my money, especially on those garbage k2s
Toe side is more responsive since you're connected at the heel...
Do u needa special boot for the k2
Great to the point review/comparison!
And entertaining
Thanks vvdd903! 😁
wait you didn't talk about the delayed responsiveness the step on has when lifting your heel to go on toe edge? which is the biggest complaint most people have. What are your exp with this?
I have flow bindings . All I have to do is release a clip on back and slide my foot out .
This pair of burton step on bindings looks amazing. Where did you get them? Is it special edition?
Hey Ye Chen! They’re the 2020/2021 Burton Step Ons in multicolor. I bought them from the Burton website last winter
How's the underfoot feel with the K2s? Does the cleat translate under the foot at all, or is there enough material there to eliminate any feeling difference?
Rode my K2's all last season. The only time you notice the cleat is when you're walking on concrete. Otherwise it is not noticeable at all.
How long does that plastic last on the burtons?
That's my only issue, I've heard on a few forums that some of them are breaking in a year.
The play that is shown at 2:23 on the Burton Step ins are exactly why I didn’t like these step ons. The shitty thing is I tried to return the bindings after using them once and Burton wouldn’t take them back saying the bindings are designed to have that much play. Sorry, having my boots wiggle that much in a binding is NOT responsive.
question if you have feet bigger then a size 10 how would you deal with that
Boot size 10 and larger is a Size L for the K2 Clickers. Boot size 10 is a Size M for Burton Step Ons.
Burton Step Ons Size M for boots 8.5-10.5 and Size L for 11-13.
Do you have a final verdict on which ones you liked more?
Super well done. Subscribed
me too!
Ditto!
It's a very good comparison video! But can you give feedback how they compare using them on the runs? I kind of like the K2s system a bit better, but would be good to know how they compare on the runs. Thanks!
I just both the latest k2 clicker.
its got a lot of play. very loose. you will have problems in powder as you CAN NOT put your foot back in.
when I adjust the high back forward, I can not put the boots in cause the heel can't go deeper enough to lock it in place.
I could put the boots in if I sit down and really take time to slam the boots in deeper but
so the high backs are pretty much useless.
snow gets stuck in the mechanism and boots easily.
you have to really step on and on and on and on very hard to click in makes you look stupid stepping on and on and on. still can't get in in.....
You can actually swap the burton high backs so that your levers are on the inside. That's what I did. 👍
Isn’t the right left shaped to the boot in which it would not sit flushed if swapped? Also does it really matter if the levers are on the outside? I have friends who owns stepsons and never popped off accidentally.
@@SKYxNINE I pop off accidentally. Then my wife is disappointed
by it looks its a lot harder to step in and out in k2 comparing to burton. i have been riding Stepon with Photon boots for last 3 seasons and it is absolutely worth it.
Just add snow build up and on the K2 system and it will be even harder.
Excellent review!
You should do a comparison between Burton's step ons, K2's clickers, the CLEW bindings, and Flow bindings! Also, it feels like your boot is going to slip around in the Burtons, right?
wrong
K2 Clickers pack with slush making it difficult to get lock in
I am always curious about "step-in" bindings, but just cant get over the less than SOLID attachment. Specifically at 2:24 you can see the nearly 1/4" gap between the boot and the binding. Thats too much.
Man that’s a good looking snowboard
well made review. thanks!
Thanks for making the video
Verry nice Video. One thing i had to find out on my own was that the Burton boots are only available in sice EU 46 and smaller but the K2 have EU 48 which is another factor to look at for ppl with big feet.
Step ons can have the lever on inside or outside. The k2 clickers look old aswell compared to the step ons
They should. K2 had these in the 90s. Biggest issue is snow build up on the mount pouts
What if I wear a size 11 in us mens?
Boot size 11 is a binding Size L for both the K2 Clickers and Burton Step Ons.
@@gooz so i am assuming you would not need to adjust then length wise
Good review, thanks a lot
Great review
Which one is better?
The step ons are better. I rode the k2 from 2016 to 2020. In that time I ripped the soles clean off 2 pairs of boots that k2 wouldn't warranty and it was a total pain to even get in touch with anyone there. Also snow gets packed in the boot all the time and your always having to remove it sometimes it's easy but other times you have to break out the Swiss army knife to dig it out. My wife and daughters in their straps were waiting on me quite often when we were off piste and having to skate to a spot. But it happened on the groomers too. I thought they rode ok until boot#2 started to rip off it's sole. This happens because all the force to make the board move comes from your foot lifting on the top surface of the boot. But the sole is locked to the binding with those molded in metal plates. K2 then thinks it's ok to just glue the top of the boot to the sole with 1 inch of material all the way around. So after boot number 2 decided to start breaking I had had enough. I was able to demo the step ons at our local mountain.
What a difference! The boots are more comfortable and hold your heel better. You have a nice soft sole because there isn't a metal plate inside. Now because you have a regular sole you can feel the board and what is doing under your feet. This translates into you being able do things that would normally have you crashing. Snow never gets stuck in the sole of the boot. If snow does get on the binding you give a quick brush with the backside of your glove and step on. After demo'ing them that day I went home and ordered a set. After a year the boots still look almost brand new and I ride them hard in all sorts of conditions and terrain. The attachment points are much more secure in the body of the boot. There's stitching that holds it together, not just glue.
In the video you see there's a lb of extra weight, that adds up after a day of riding.
Go with the step ons, you won't be disappointed.
@@GLHNSLHT2 omg thanks for the reply and for the honesty. :)
@@JenLion any time.
@@GLHNSLHT2 I am in Taos Ski Valley, just rode clickers for 2 seasons (no back plate bindings). They worked great, no issue in pow and easy to get in and out of and I could lock them in on the lift. That said, my front boot sole was completely coming off after only 2 seasons. I am currently trying to re-bond them using SB-190 cement for roofs. The boots don't handle the strain that well on the foot that remains locked in. I loved the K2s, yet I am annoyed that if I want new boots, they will likely come apart again + I'll need to buy new binding because according to K2 the new boots won't work on the old binding, total fail. I am considering the Burtons or some Flows now.
@@matthewh111 check out Burtons rental store on their website. You can rent the photons boots and step on bindings. I think there's a discount if you buy them afterwards. After riding the step ons and feeling the difference I'll never even think about k2 again. I'd go to straps before going to K2.
The real question is: can you open a Beer on the K2 Boots
😂🤔
1lb is alot for a setup! my freestyle and jib setup has a difference of 400 grams and i feel that!
I am surprised the K2 Clicker need so much time to bind and un-bind! Needed a comparison with traditional straps maybe? ;-)
Interesting. Thank you
I was hoping for a ride comparison, but oh well
StepOn all the way - much simpler design and have not had any issues in the 2 years of riding.
I can already see me trying to get snow out of the bottoms of the K2 boots after walking around a bit. Yikes!
This review is incomplete. Since you need dedicated boots for both systems, only looking at the fixes is half of the story. I have both systems and my son has the Stepons. Burton look stiffer in the review but my carving board is clicker+ Maysis boots. Way more responsive than Burton. Also, the k2 allows me to bind in the chairlift while it is impossible with the Stepons. Long story short: I play with stepons and carve with clickers but should do the opposite to be inline with the review.
hey gooz your user means fart in persian btw lol
What's wrong with a fart? It's natural, and you can empty an overcrowded place in seconds if you have the talent!
clickers look like they are made in the 80s and 90s
I still can’t get over the angle u put on the bindings but at least u don’t ride with them like that
the k2s look almost identical to bike clips, just extended to be longer
all i imagine on sticky snow days how these are gonna be difficult to use.
You seem to really be trying with the burton to make them “faster”
Who sets their bindings up like that though...
I want to see this comparison after getting off the chair
You need to Actually ride these in snow. The clicker system is not much different than what k2 had in the 90s. When they get snow in the boot and in the lock points in the foot bed you can’t actually click in.
I have been a "f'k Burton" guy for 40 years. I made an exception for the Step-ons. Really hit all the right notes for a resort binding. Great product.
I’ve been riding K2 Clickers since they were first Released back in the 90’s, they are far superior to any mounting system thats come out for the following reason.
Clickers have the least amount of points that can fail, and if anyone here has any background in engineering you can appreciate what it is I’m talking about. The clickers can only fail in the latch In the back where as the Burton step in has 3 hinged points that can fail. Each of those points contain multiple sub components failure of any of those could be catastrophic.
Burton is a hard pass from me.
I’d also like to add in my qualifications for my opinion
-inventor
-powersports master tech for over 19 years
-architectural student
-machinist
-been snowboarding since 1987 haven’t missed a single season until this year after loosing my left leg due to a motorcycle accident.
I’ve ride clickers in their various forms at resorts all across the US, Canada, Alaska, France and Italy. I’ve also rode Switch and Burton.
The burtons only have one hinged latch in the back, and two front hard points that lock in, similar to the singular front locking point on the K2. Did you even watch the video? When looking at the K2 head on there is so much lateral movement expressly due to the way the K2 clicker mounts with only two points (in line with each other) locked into the binding. Verses the stepon 3 locking points on the binding. Have the K2 clickers changed since they first hit the market in the 90's? Old tech.
@@DRP-zy6sl
I did watch the video and I thought the locking system was different, either way it still doesn’t inspire the metal on metal confidence i get from years of using the clicker system.
The clicker has changed some, it use to be a rail on the entire underside of the boot. The only issue I have with the new system over the 2003 model I’m still riding on is that mine is an all aluminium binding has different inserts on all 4 corners that allow for tuneable lateral flex.
Personally I like some lateral flex it softens some of the Impact from taking drops. Mind I live in Colorado and worked for Vail resorts I ride on terrain most of you don’t get to ride. I also need a system that allows me to click into snowshoes and cross country skis so I can get into the back country’s I have an older pair of K2 boots that are hard plastic and allow for crampons. So maybe for people like me that want equipment that works for decades Clicker a better option especially the older stuff.
👍🏻👌🏻
@@NegativeSpacesPositiveEntropy you still ride with one leg?
It only went up to 10.5
Because those are medium bindings. You have to go up to large biding with foot bigger than 10.5
Looks like K2 is better in terms of quality material
Didn't K2 try these in the late 90s? they look exactly the same. They sucked then.
well my Friends , gooz means fart in Persian. Imagine your name is Goozman ...haha
Nice negative stance with the Step-Ons lol.
Lets face it they both are called clickers !!!
Jus don’t like the fact u can use them as a regular binding if u wanted to like the clews and nidecker and u don’t have to use special boots them photon boots look ugly as fuck. I’m rockin the Nike vapen that look like the Jordan ones
they both look like you are just about to pop out of them
WHAT IS THE POINT OF THESE
burton is a trash company worst customer service, they get you to buy
their gear but if a boot is too tight and you call them up they assume
you want to return it.. my response was did i say i want to return it?
but where is the modification department to help me fit in my boot
better? there is no help at all they just say they cant help. greeattttt
thanks for the help i will never recommend them now... my left foot is
good my right foot where the tongue bends is putting so much pressure on
my foot to the point its rolling my bone, i already heat molded and
took the insole out, a little better with the insole out. which they
didnt say that. they dont even help at all they just assume i want to
return them.
The lever is on the inside and not the outside for the k2. So already you have to bend over to lock in the boot, but to release it, you have to get into an even more awkward position to unlock it than if you had traditional bindings? And then it’s not even really locked in place because the clip is in the center of the boot and it flexes side to side pretty badly. I’m really surprised, this seems pretty worthless tbh
No one locks the rear binding on the K2.... I mean NO ONE. Rode them for years and I never once locked the rear binding.
I think the biggest problem with the K2s is getting down to the lift and trying to speed jump out of the rear binding. There is a slight tendency for the toe to not release and u might have to work to keep your balance.
Nope and nope. Straps for me.
How do you make a review video for snowboard gear without taking them on snow?? 🤦♀️
Goal of the video statement: th-cam.com/video/Uz_rybhhVyA/w-d-xo.html
also of course you can, most reviews are done in a studio!
Those k2 look terrible