When my 2 and half year old grandson comes over to visit, first thing he says "Nonno, lets watch Banana!!"; thanks Matt and crew!! You guys are great!! Especially Trevor; that man is talented!!
This is how it really goes though when doing heavy modifications and waiting for parts. All those fantasy land shows on TV about cars have weeks to order and get everything ready, when real life is like this. Thanks!
"cutting new grass like this" never heard that term before now. But it makes complete sense. Always look forward to your videos. Love watching your crew. Keep up the good work. Longtime fan.
IMO the highest performance bolt in setup for the XJ is a Mishimoto Rad, ZJ Fan Clutch, Flowkooler Water Pump, and a high quality trans cooler with a dedicated fan like the Derale Electra-Cool. And a power steering cooler. Anyone disagree or have a better performing setup? The ZJ fan clutch moves a TON of air, makes more noise and saps a little bit of power -- not recommended for a street vehicle, but for a work or dedicated off road vehicle it is definitely appropriate. The Mishimoto 2-row radiator is the mackdaddy - better built than the CSF but double the price at $400
@@MattsOffRoadRecovery Valuable intel. I have never run the flowkooler pump, I'm rocking a fully stock (rebuilt) system and when it's 110+ out I have to keep it moving or shut the AC off. If I'm on the go, even slow speed the temp stays at just over 195* I agree, the XJ rad is hilariously small. Even my Jetta has like double the surface area If there is a failure point I would expect your XJ to find it! Probably the most extreme load the engine and trans will take, not very many XJ's have been loaded like yours to be honest. Towing up hill, dead weight, soft sand day after day - excited to see the fab process and build though! The Banana is my favorite member of the channel, haha. The unsung hero
And he's always doing the worst jobs without complaining. Even comes in to fix stuff on his day off. Seriously, this man needs a raise. And i'm not talking about the wrecker...
Typically a radiator needs a fan cowl in order to pull air through it at slow speeds. Without one the fan will pull air from all directions instead of concentrating it through the radiator. I've seen lots of people not have a cowl then wonder why they're overheating.
You all are using the Hotrodder's Law: For every modification made, there are three 'other' modifications needed to make the initial modification work.
Happy birthday Trevor! Enjoyed the video, even though you all were all over the map. I know you will magically pull it all together in the end. Thanks for posting.👍👍👍👍👍
Love it when Matt references funny movies (like Tommy Boy, "Here"), just that 1 of many layers to him. Good natured, loves his music, movies, family, and helping. So glad I found this channel last year...
Just a general comment: I would prowl the beaches of Cape Cod Mass in my stock 1989 3.0 Toyota Pick up and rescue full size pickups buried to the frame..they often said "your going to pull me out with that!" Most of the time they just didn't air-down...but some spots had some nasty (sugar sand) that I even had trouble with...Still got her...330k happy one owner miles..Really like your channel tkx
When we had a Cherokee I tried desperately to find a detailed workshop manual. All I could get was the manual for the gasoline model electronic system, useless om=n my diesel model. So I admire your ability to decypher the wiring system!
I’d run two electric fans before I’d set up a misaligned clutch fan. One fan on front blowing through and one fan to the rear doing draw. On separate circuits so if one goes…
@@Rccrdawgs I like the reliability of a mechanical fan. But I doubt you’re going to get 3800 CFM out of a single clutch fan. There’s single electric fans that can do that and more. And you can add 2 of them, unlike a clutch fan setup.
If you want to prove what works in heat, look at front wheel drive Cadillac, the most crammed engine compartment with the most accessories and designed to run AC all day long in the 120 Arizona heat, they use Electric Fans just fine. That will save water pump bearings, will remove the fear of the fan eating the radiator for lunch, and in certain situations, like fording a river or in a mess of sand in the fan, you can turn off the electric fan momentarily to get through whatever it is, the clutch fan will just drown your engine in a mess. And the clutch fan when fully engaged takes atleast 10hp away from what you could have at the wheels, makes the engine work harder as outside temps rise.
Hi Lizzy, I had the same question about the fitment of the valve cover and just went back a few episodes to where the original engine was in the Banana. It looked the same, so I knew the new engine would fit. Two big electric fans with shrowd on the front of the radiator solves the cooling, the engine-driven fan coming forward into the radiator, the engine-driven fan hitting the hood, and trying to make a shrowd for the engine-driven fan. Yes, I know you are skeptical about electrical fans, but they work in high horsepower applications, not just Jeeps. Banks makes amazingly good parts, mostly for diesels, but for other stuff too. I would have thought that two limit straps, tied to the top shot mounts would have been lighter and simpler.
Thank you for yesterday this is the Wisconsin/Page AZ people for making our special trip to your shop a great and exciting trip. It was really nice to meet everyone there. Next time make sure Matt and Lizzy are grounded and on time out like Matt did to Max Hahaha lol. On a serious note you guys are awesome and keep up the great work 👍 we will continue to watch. There will be a next time that we come up to see everyone. Thank you
I was just gonna say that shock mount was way overkill. Then I remembered,.. I did the same thing and welded in a 3x3 125 wall square tube to the frame and floor. It actually does help a ton for flex. That should have been there from factory to be honest. On top of that I welded 130 thick SS plate all in the back cause I wasn't sure at the time. So now it's a 3/4 ton XJ 😆
seems like a 1950's 4x4 power wagon ambulance would be the ticket to a great recovery vehicle. Get big enough tires, and motor, all that room in the back for every recovery tool you would need.
As a support vehicle it might be a great choice. Although my opinion is the humvee would be more cost effective. But if they have to go on the tight trails those light weight Cherokees and even the moorvair are really ideally a good fit.
Twin electric fans would be an upgrade that have build in shrouds, but maybe with the other mods you don’t have room. I CAN’T WAIT for that beast to be up and running, keep up the awesome work Guys!
I never was a fan of the Cherokees until I started watching this channel, my opinion has been altered LOL! Can’t wait to see the Banana up and running again.
Please remember; ALL great strides in manufacturing and great creative effort starts as an idea and then slowly comes together as a magnificent stride for humankind. Your adventurous reworking of the Banana is a great illustration of that. You stay with it until it looks like what you wanted, and then try it out and redo to taste. Thanks for letting us learn ! talents
Grounds can be weird things. Modifying KC135 in the Air Force we had 3 ground points to the frame within 1 inch of each other under the copilots side panel. 1 was DC, 1 was AC and 1 was shield. If you got the wrong wire on the wrong post you'd get all sorts of strange indications.
@@rebelyell1580 it was a carefully engineered design to avoid ground loop currents by having distances be exact etc. I work in pro audio, and good studio and theatre electrical systems have very complex grounding designs keeping wire lengths identical, etc, on the high voltage side as well as the audio side, all the lighting, etc. Any time you have a difference in potential you have problems, and the Jeep having star grounding is only because they had issues and added it, they wouldn't waste the work and wire if they could avoid it lol
1. Happy Birthday Trevor 2. My eyes are all scratchy and sore from watching years worth of CRUD fall off the back of the Jeep as Matt worked so delicately without his safety glasses. Now I have to go rinse mine…hope it works. 3. Rudy, fantastic work on the limiter strap, precise and dang professional looking too. 👍
@@MattsOffRoadRecovery as someone familiar with ground loop issues, if you ever start having your computer do wierd stuff, try putting that wire back in... Lol Let's just say that Jeep didn't spend that work and money on millions of Jeeps without a need, they like making profit instead of giving away copper! You may get lucky, you are reducing the amount of electronics in vehicle, but generally it's better to leave the 2 oz in and trust the electrical engineers... ;)
Brown dog motor mounts would be a better bet, with more mount points to the engine block. In my XJ, I run a Taurus electric fan, with a BMW engine temp sensor, a Volvo relay to turn it on and off, and a golf cart relay for power delivery. It does work very nicely, especially since it allows the engine to get up to operating temperature quickly, but a good fan clutch is probably a lot simpler if you can make everything fit.
I think the Banana needed the upgrades and will end up being at good tool when it's done. I'm glad that this is a recovery crew and not a painting crew, although the big "T" wasn't bad.
Got some impressive stuff done. Really enjoying following the build process, can't wait to see it completed. Happy Belated Birthday to Trevor. Mad Props to him for his wiring skills.
My xj may never be built up to be this serious, but I'm still so stoked to see this thing get back to getting em out! I'm learning so much about offroading and recovery from this channel.
Matt is a lucky welder. Noone welding alot or typically much at all are brave enough to not wear gloves. Once u get a burn all the way through the middle of a finger nail, it's a mind changing ordeal.
Why not run a electric water pump and fan? You could have a switch inside to keep them running with the engine off to help cool it down when its really hot out and you are working it really hard. Or to the ecu but im sure you are running the stock one.
This is what I would do. I remember seeing this with the LS drag racing crowd. Apparently it's good for a few hp as well since it isn't driven off the crank. And I'm sure there are warranties in case it fails prematurely.
Well guys... even tho you guys were all over the BANANA it showing some progress. Use electrical fan for the radiator they come ready to install saves time and headaches. HAPPY BIRTHDAY Trevor !! Good video thanks 😊
Matt, Banks is a good header! Joe had one on his TJ. And it’s on our Motorhome. Happy birthday Trevor 🥳🥳 You are a wiring genius to figure all that out! Love the “new” car 🚗 Love watching the Banana build series! It’s my favorite! 💯❤️🐞
Hey Bug!!! Always look for your comments on Matt’s channel! Can’t wait to see the Grey Goat go wheeling with the new and improved Banana! Maybe you’ll get to go on a recovery with MORR again and take the Goat!
Banks makes good stuff! Had the Banks system on my motor home too. However, mine was a gasser! Can’t wait to see you load up the Goat behind the LAMB and head out on adventures!! Make your first stop to see Matt please!!
You make it really interesting and worst of all make it like it’s easy. Lots of skill, common sense and as always, enjoyable for people like me with near zero practical skills
That Radiator and Fan combo may keep the Movair cool, but the 4.0 packed in the small space is another beast on its on. But with the larger rad and vents you should be fine. Interested to see how to overcome the higher fan / hood clearance. Some people have a hood scoop for their blower... You may have the very first FAN hood scoop!
The sad thing is a mechanical fan will work just fine, has done for 100 years. The reasons to use electric include fuel savings, space savings, and the option for continuing cooling after engine shutdown.
Strange how the video @2.38 shows perfectly what in my world is me taking out my frustration because my "plan" failed. Yet here it is you guys successfully accomplishing precisely what you set out to achieve.
I run 2 of the stock ‘97-01 ten-blade electric fans on my 99 4.6 manual stroker. They’re good for 2300cfms each. Today I installed some awesome yellow Brown Dog motor mounts with brackets that attach to 7&8 points on the engine vs 3.
Hope you had a great birthday Trevor. Thanks for sharing your new hot rod with us and being an awesome regular on the channel. Someone has to keep this crew in check!
I saw those big ass scissors and couldn't figure out what they were for then I realized Matt was using CAD (Cardboard Aided Design) to develop his new system.
0:48 So what you're saying is that "No the Valve cover _doesn't_ clear" unless you install solid motor mounts. It'll rock over under load and _could_ still contact the hood.
Attention Matt the water pump that you could have used is an Airtex AW7164 you might want to pick up one of those water pumps as well that water pump that are described here is for a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.0 Litre uses the same fan that what you're using , I thought this might help you if you ever have to get a new water pump .
Trevor's age is metric. That's why the 99. However, I can't seem to find a conversion formula to find his actual age. He might have two of these a year.
Don't worry about the fan clutch. If it's too close to the radiator when pulling, it will self-clearance. 😂 Years ago, I had an '00 XJ. I actually had plastic spatter on the hood where the engine mounts were loose enough to let one of the pulleys rub. I ended up going to Yellow Dog mounts to control the engine movement. They redistributed all of that vibration and energy back into the unibody and that thing was just miserable from then on. I'm happily on Paul's side of things these days. Despite the limitations, the Toyota stuff seems to work better for me and what I do.
I put a 318 in my XJ , and used stock rad and fans. Not a single issue with cooling at low speeds . Fan miss alignment will only affect temps if the fan is closer to the discharge side of the radiator.
• What made you decide to use a mechanical fan, as opposed to running an electric (or *dual* electric) fan(s)? • Plasti-Dip does not remove easily, if only a thin coat is applied. EDIT: I found (the same day I posted this original comment) that in a previous video, the decision was made to replace two of the three existing electric fans with a clutch fan, which solved the overheating problems. It simply seemed to me that having to get a hub machined to adapt the clutch fan to the water pump, combined with having to fabricate a fan shroud - was much more difficult than simply installing a single 3000 CFM electric fan, or 2-3 smaller 1700 CFM electric fans... especially when space, difficulty and time to return to service is a major factor.
All true. Don't put it on oxidized paint. It won't let go from mechanical grip. One thing you can try is purple degreaser and a giant soft sponge. I went from a completely plasti-dipped car, (Rust-o-leum version, brilliant blue,) to spray paint. I still have one piece that's plasti-dip. It's a perfect match to Bahama blue metallic from dupli-color. Maybe you could feel a difference. Horizontal surfaces are the worst with spray paint.
I’m not saying the rear shock mounts are inadequate, but I think I would’ve taking the time to put some reinforcement inside the hatch area and spread the load over to the fender wells … just for a peace of mind since you’re putting them in a location where they weren’t originally.
I enjoy your videos and never comment but have to with regards to the fan clearance. I can send you a picture of what it looks like when a fan clutch hits an xj radiator. I got a three core all aluminum one for free from a friend, all I need to do is weld up the holes in it. Your engine doesn't just fly forward when you're using that rope, it's gonna move like crazy just stepping on it, especially in 4 with both drive shafts doing their thing. Motor mounts and tranny mounts need to be bulletproof. Also, I have a shop manual for the xj. not sure who makes it but I can copy some pages if needed. good luck on your project.
I'm with u on that. I no it was all in fun but I would not be happy but a least it's only a VW and that hood scoop might make the value actually go up.
I went electric fan when I rebuilt my 75 pickup, it worked well in the Sacramento heat, I ran it direct so when I shut the engine off the fan would come on for a few minutes, it was nice for working under the hood on a hot day or needing to cool engine quickly, it was better than the flex fan I had in it, you will like it, trust us
10-4 got it, hence semi trucks, in-line 6’s are my favorite, with that radiator, engine and exhaust, I suspect it’s going to run cool, calm and collective, great build, good show, looking forward to the monster truck build, Thanks
When my 2 and half year old grandson comes over to visit, first thing he says "Nonno, lets watch Banana!!"; thanks Matt and crew!! You guys are great!! Especially Trevor; that man is talented!!
This is how it really goes though when doing heavy modifications and waiting for parts. All those fantasy land shows on TV about cars have weeks to order and get everything ready, when real life is like this. Thanks!
"cutting new grass like this" never heard that term before now. But it makes complete sense. Always look forward to your videos. Love watching your crew. Keep up the good work. Longtime fan.
IMO the highest performance bolt in setup for the XJ is a Mishimoto Rad, ZJ Fan Clutch, Flowkooler Water Pump, and a high quality trans cooler with a dedicated fan like the Derale Electra-Cool. And a power steering cooler.
Anyone disagree or have a better performing setup? The ZJ fan clutch moves a TON of air, makes more noise and saps a little bit of power -- not recommended for a street vehicle, but for a work or dedicated off road vehicle it is definitely appropriate. The Mishimoto 2-row radiator is the mackdaddy - better built than the CSF but double the price at $400
@@MattsOffRoadRecovery Valuable intel. I have never run the flowkooler pump, I'm rocking a fully stock (rebuilt) system and when it's 110+ out I have to keep it moving or shut the AC off. If I'm on the go, even slow speed the temp stays at just over 195*
I agree, the XJ rad is hilariously small. Even my Jetta has like double the surface area
If there is a failure point I would expect your XJ to find it! Probably the most extreme load the engine and trans will take, not very many XJ's have been loaded like yours to be honest.
Towing up hill, dead weight, soft sand day after day - excited to see the fab process and build though! The Banana is my favorite member of the channel, haha. The unsung hero
Trevor is a good sport and a great electrician.
Trevor is good at all things I think. Oscar worthy :)
@@svein1754 yes, good sense of humor and quick-witted
Yes and happy birthday Trevor
And he's always doing the worst jobs without complaining. Even comes in to fix stuff on his day off. Seriously, this man needs a raise. And i'm not talking about the wrecker...
Trevor has a lot of patience to re-wire that entire harness. Props!!
Dude! Build a radiator shroud! They are INSANELY effective!
Nah let's blame the electric fans instead! And use 100 year old tech!
Trevor is pulling out every circuit we are not using- don’t forget that check engine light.
Rudy: Whos Bob?
Trevor: Your Uncle
Perfect
Mad props to Trevor dealing with that wiring harness. That talks lots of patients.
That washer bottle relocation is pretty neat
Typically a radiator needs a fan cowl in order to pull air through it at slow speeds. Without one the fan will pull air from all directions instead of concentrating it through the radiator. I've seen lots of people not have a cowl then wonder why they're overheating.
It's just like your air filter hanging in the engine bay sucking up hot ambient engine bay air vs any kind of ram or fresh air intake
Similar concept
Fan shrouds have a lot of science to go with them on placement and clearances.
They even help with gas mileage because the fan isn't churning up a bunch of engine bay air.
It’s gotta have a cowl / shroud, otherwise it’ll create wind, but won’t pull it through the rads…. JME…👍🏻🇬🇧🇷🇴
Everyone: "Matt, you can save most of that re-work if you plan it out carefully!"
Matt: "I can re-work WAY faster than I can plan"
You all are using the Hotrodder's Law: For every modification made, there are three 'other' modifications needed to make the initial modification work.
That killed me. About the engine clearing the hood. "That answered about 200 question" 😅 love ur videos keep them coming.
Trevor should get a raise just for dealing with all the wiring through his project ;) Happy belated birthday Trevor! Nice whip
Hands up for Ed needing to film his gold mining trips👏
Great idea
@@idk-cv1pr We secretly know it's not gold he's after anyway but that elusive vain of M&Ms
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He probably goes to the chicken 🐓 ranch
Trevor is my hero! What an electrician! I would love to have such skills.
Great job
Happy birthday Trevor! Enjoyed the video, even though you all were all over the map. I know you will magically pull it all together in the end. Thanks for posting.👍👍👍👍👍
Love it when Matt references funny movies (like Tommy Boy, "Here"), just that 1 of many layers to him. Good natured, loves his music, movies, family, and helping. So glad I found this channel last year...
And then pulls some Rob VanWinkle freestylle. 😅This guy, Im tellin ya.....
On top of being able to do a backflip , Trevor is a great sport , man what a guy !! Great vid guys 👍👍
It's great that you have Trevor to figure out all that wiring!
Just a general comment: I would prowl the beaches of Cape Cod Mass in my stock 1989 3.0 Toyota Pick up and rescue full size pickups buried to the frame..they often said "your going to pull me out with that!" Most of the time they just didn't air-down...but some spots had some nasty (sugar sand) that I even had trouble with...Still got her...330k happy one owner miles..Really like your channel tkx
Little by little it's coming along great! Happy birthday Trevor! Love watching! God bless you guys!
When we had a Cherokee I tried desperately to find a detailed workshop manual. All I could get was the manual for the gasoline model electronic system, useless om=n my diesel model. So I admire your ability to decypher the wiring system!
Happy Birthday Trevor 🥳🎉
You are amazing when it comes to chasing wiring and weeding out the excess.
Good job everyone 👍👍
I’d run two electric fans before I’d set up a misaligned clutch fan. One fan on front blowing through and one fan to the rear doing draw. On separate circuits so if one goes…
With a little rpm a mechanical fan cant be touched by an electrical fan set up!
@@Rccrdawgs not if the clutch fan is misaligned with no shroud
@@Rccrdawgs I like the reliability of a mechanical fan. But I doubt you’re going to get 3800 CFM out of a single clutch fan. There’s single electric fans that can do that and more. And you can add 2 of them, unlike a clutch fan setup.
@@Rccrdawgs in the desert heat? lol
If you want to prove what works in heat, look at front wheel drive Cadillac, the most crammed engine compartment with the most accessories and designed to run AC all day long in the 120 Arizona heat, they use Electric Fans just fine. That will save water pump bearings, will remove the fear of the fan eating the radiator for lunch, and in certain situations, like fording a river or in a mess of sand in the fan, you can turn off the electric fan momentarily to get through whatever it is, the clutch fan will just drown your engine in a mess. And the clutch fan when fully engaged takes atleast 10hp away from what you could have at the wheels, makes the engine work harder as outside temps rise.
Hi Lizzy,
I had the same question about the fitment of the valve cover and just went back a few episodes to where the original engine was in the Banana. It looked the same, so I knew the new engine would fit.
Two big electric fans with shrowd on the front of the radiator solves the cooling, the engine-driven fan coming forward into the radiator, the engine-driven fan hitting the hood, and trying to make a shrowd for the engine-driven fan. Yes, I know you are skeptical about electrical fans, but they work in high horsepower applications, not just Jeeps.
Banks makes amazingly good parts, mostly for diesels, but for other stuff too.
I would have thought that two limit straps, tied to the top shot mounts would have been lighter and simpler.
Awe, I love Max and Lady! Happy Birthday Trevor!
When you see them the next time, remind them of always wearing safety goggles, especially lying under the van welding.
Silly. 😆
Loving this build! Especially like the way all your ‘ plans’ come together! Great job MORR crew!
Glad to see Ed’s return and HAPPY BIRTHDAY TREVOR...!!!
Thank you for yesterday this is the Wisconsin/Page AZ people for making our special trip to your shop a great and exciting trip. It was really nice to meet everyone there. Next time make sure Matt and Lizzy are grounded and on time out like Matt did to Max Hahaha lol. On a serious note you guys are awesome and keep up the great work 👍 we will continue to watch. There will be a next time that we come up to see everyone. Thank you
I was just gonna say that shock mount was way overkill. Then I remembered,.. I did the same thing and welded in a 3x3 125 wall square tube to the frame and floor. It actually does help a ton for flex. That should have been there from factory to be honest. On top of that I welded 130 thick SS plate all in the back cause I wasn't sure at the time. So now it's a 3/4 ton XJ 😆
Trevors Beard Is just the best, I have been growing mine for many years and have nothing on his.
seems like a 1950's 4x4 power wagon ambulance would be the ticket to a great recovery vehicle. Get big enough tires, and motor, all that room in the back for every recovery tool you would need.
As a support vehicle it might be a great choice. Although my opinion is the humvee would be more cost effective. But if they have to go on the tight trails those light weight Cherokees and even the moorvair are really ideally a good fit.
I totally enjoyed watching a typical week at the shop. Everything doesn't go perfect.
The relocating of the washer fluid container from under the hood to the back and it happened to fit absolutely perfect was just hilarious lmao.
Twin electric fans would be an upgrade that have build in shrouds, but maybe with the other mods you don’t have room. I CAN’T WAIT for that beast to be up and running, keep up the awesome work Guys!
I never was a fan of the Cherokees until I started watching this channel, my opinion has been altered LOL! Can’t wait to see the Banana up and running again.
Please remember; ALL great strides in manufacturing and great creative effort
starts as an idea and then slowly comes together as a magnificent stride for humankind.
Your adventurous reworking of the Banana is a great illustration of that.
You stay with it until it looks like what you wanted, and then try it out and redo to taste.
Thanks for letting us learn !
talents
Hey Trevor, I think the reason they ran the extra ground wire in the loom was for something called “star grounding”, or “star point grounding”.
Grounds can be weird things. Modifying KC135 in the Air Force we had 3 ground points to the frame within 1 inch of each other under the copilots side panel. 1 was DC, 1 was AC and 1 was shield. If you got the wrong wire on the wrong post you'd get all sorts of strange indications.
@@msgtdan60 Then that is a crappy design to begin with.
@@rebelyell1580 it was a carefully engineered design to avoid ground loop currents by having distances be exact etc.
I work in pro audio, and good studio and theatre electrical systems have very complex grounding designs keeping wire lengths identical, etc, on the high voltage side as well as the audio side, all the lighting, etc.
Any time you have a difference in potential you have problems, and the Jeep having star grounding is only because they had issues and added it, they wouldn't waste the work and wire if they could avoid it lol
1. Happy Birthday Trevor
2. My eyes are all scratchy and sore from watching years worth of CRUD fall off the back of the Jeep as Matt worked so delicately without his safety glasses. Now I have to go rinse mine…hope it works.
3. Rudy, fantastic work on the limiter strap, precise and dang professional looking too. 👍
The "Tommy Boy" reference is solid gold!
The fact that Matt referenced a movie (Tommy Boy) and Vanilla Ice, is awesome. And Trevor adding in the plucky comic relief..
The extra ground wire is necessary. It was likely there to prevent ground loops and get to the ground star point.
Ehhh, I think we're going to find out in the next episode just how necessary it is lmao.
@@MattsOffRoadRecovery as someone familiar with ground loop issues, if you ever start having your computer do wierd stuff, try putting that wire back in... Lol
Let's just say that Jeep didn't spend that work and money on millions of Jeeps without a need, they like making profit instead of giving away copper!
You may get lucky, you are reducing the amount of electronics in vehicle, but generally it's better to leave the 2 oz in and trust the electrical engineers... ;)
Brown dog motor mounts would be a better bet, with more mount points to the engine block. In my XJ, I run a Taurus electric fan, with a BMW engine temp sensor, a Volvo relay to turn it on and off, and a golf cart relay for power delivery. It does work very nicely, especially since it allows the engine to get up to operating temperature quickly, but a good fan clutch is probably a lot simpler if you can make everything fit.
I think the Banana needed the upgrades and will end up being at good tool when it's done. I'm glad that this is a recovery crew and not a painting crew, although the big "T" wasn't bad.
Got some impressive stuff done. Really enjoying following the build process, can't wait to see it completed.
Happy Belated Birthday to Trevor. Mad Props to him for his wiring skills.
It’s a miracle that anyone can make sense of those wire bundles.
Happy birthday, Trevor... God blessed you! 👏🏻👏🏻🎂🎈🎁🎊🎉❤😍😘😁🤩
Matt is back with his brand new edition, water pump bearings were in there too tightly, rescuing vehicles daily and nightly!
Will he ever stop?
My xj may never be built up to be this serious, but I'm still so stoked to see this thing get back to getting em out! I'm learning so much about offroading and recovery from this channel.
I love Ed. I hope he finds the mother load but he’s already rich with all the awesome people in his life. Best channel on TH-cam. Not even close.
Matt is a lucky welder. Noone welding alot or typically much at all are brave enough to not wear gloves. Once u get a burn all the way through the middle of a finger nail, it's a mind changing ordeal.
3:42 Eddie Munster makes a cameo. Great video. Good luck with the build
good eyes! the exact same hair.
Yeah, but Eddie was a sharp dressed dude, so no shame there.
Vanilla Ice 🎶🎶🎶 Matt ..👍👌✌️ saludos a la Familia y compañia desde Baja California Sur México.
Why not run a electric water pump and fan? You could have a switch inside to keep them running with the engine off to help cool it down when its really hot out and you are working it really hard. Or to the ecu but im sure you are running the stock one.
I doubt the electric water pump motor could stand the heat.
This is what I would do. I remember seeing this with the LS drag racing crowd. Apparently it's good for a few hp as well since it isn't driven off the crank. And I'm sure there are warranties in case it fails prematurely.
Because then when you're alternator fails you're stuck
Happy Birthday Trevor. Excellent job on adapting the wiring harness. Utilization of the rear hatch washer motor is brilliant.
Trevor's a genius. Give the man a bench to do wiring harnesses on.
Well guys... even tho you guys were all over the BANANA it showing some progress. Use electrical fan for the radiator they come ready to install saves time and headaches. HAPPY BIRTHDAY Trevor !! Good video thanks 😊
Matt, Banks is a good header! Joe had one on his TJ. And it’s on our Motorhome.
Happy birthday Trevor 🥳🥳 You are a wiring genius to figure all that out! Love the “new” car 🚗
Love watching the Banana build series! It’s my favorite! 💯❤️🐞
Hey Bug!!! Always look for your comments on Matt’s channel! Can’t wait to see the Grey Goat go wheeling with the new and improved Banana! Maybe you’ll get to go on a recovery with MORR again and take the Goat!
Banks makes good stuff! Had the Banks system on my motor home too. However, mine was a gasser! Can’t wait to see you load up the Goat behind the LAMB and head out on adventures!! Make your first stop to see Matt please!!
Bug !!! 😍😍
@@hole7612 - we definitely plan to go see MORR when we hit the road! 😎
You make it really interesting and worst of all make it like it’s easy. Lots of skill, common sense and as always, enjoyable for people like me with near zero practical skills
TREVOR, make a small break in the wire loom, easy to get at, that disables car, and extort matt for a raise...then you'll fix...lol
That Radiator and Fan combo may keep the Movair cool, but the 4.0 packed in the small space is another beast on its on. But with the larger rad and vents you should be fine. Interested to see how to overcome the higher fan / hood clearance.
Some people have a hood scoop for their blower... You may have the very first FAN hood scoop!
Hope you had an amazing birthday Trevor! Great job with the wiring mess.
I’m looking forward to the 5hr video of Trevor removing all that Plastidip 😢🥴
Man, I love this channel, you folks are the real deal...
And Trevor you are a real good sport, Happy Birthday man!!!
Matt: "So last week I caught alot of grief about the fan setup.." 😆
@@MattsOffRoadRecovery 😆 😆 😆
@@MattsOffRoadRecovery stevie wonder can see next weeks coming! lol
The sad thing is a mechanical fan will work just fine, has done for 100 years. The reasons to use electric include fuel savings, space savings, and the option for continuing cooling after engine shutdown.
Strange how the video @2.38 shows perfectly what in my world is me taking out my frustration because my "plan" failed. Yet here it is you guys successfully accomplishing precisely what you set out to achieve.
I now see Matt where’s a ball cap lol 😆 he’s got a very Eddie Munster vibe going.
LOL - Thinking the same thing!
I run 2 of the stock ‘97-01 ten-blade electric fans on my 99 4.6 manual stroker. They’re good for 2300cfms each. Today I installed some awesome yellow Brown Dog motor mounts with brackets that attach to 7&8 points on the engine vs 3.
_sticks on adhesive hood scoop_
"Man, it _looks_ really fast."
😂😂😂💀
Hope you had a great birthday Trevor. Thanks for sharing your new hot rod with us and being an awesome regular on the channel. Someone has to keep this crew in check!
I saw those big ass scissors and couldn't figure out what they were for then I realized Matt was using CAD (Cardboard Aided Design) to develop his new system.
Stop apologizing and enjoy that excellent work you all are doing. All the best
0:48 So what you're saying is that "No the Valve cover _doesn't_ clear" unless you install solid motor mounts. It'll rock over under load and _could_ still contact the hood.
@@MattsOffRoadRecovery Wow! That's cool! Nicely done.
Honestly, I figured it'd work - you're too on top of your game to miss that.
Attention Matt the water pump that you could have used is an Airtex AW7164 you might want to pick up one of those water pumps as well that water pump that are described here is for a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.0 Litre uses the same fan that what you're using , I thought this might help you if you ever have to get a new water pump .
Ed: "It was a little smokey, but we got me out"!
I look forward to Sunday videos! 😎 Glad Ed is back to keep y’all in line! 😂 And Happy Birthday Trevor..
"to the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal.
Light up the stage and WAX a chump like a candle" but very close!
Dance, rush the speaker that booms
I'm killing your brain like a poisonous mushroom
Rob Van Winkle would be proud
When he said "to the extreme", I immediately thought of this song.
Ice ice baby!
Justin- I was almost in tears laughing so hard!!!!
Happy birthday Trevor 💯🎊.. But it's the ride that gets the world over this gift is golden.. Maybe a little black and yellow 😅
Trevor's age is metric. That's why the 99. However, I can't seem to find a conversion formula to find his actual age. He might have two of these a year.
Could always go the arborist route and count the number of Trevor rings... although Trevor may object to being cut open.
@@thequickbrownfox7289 All that junk food from the Maverick is adding years fast!
According to an email i received from Lady- Trevor is 7 in dog years so thats that~
3-7/8"
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!
Don't worry about the fan clutch. If it's too close to the radiator when pulling, it will self-clearance. 😂
Years ago, I had an '00 XJ. I actually had plastic spatter on the hood where the engine mounts were loose enough to let one of the pulleys rub. I ended up going to Yellow Dog mounts to control the engine movement. They redistributed all of that vibration and energy back into the unibody and that thing was just miserable from then on.
I'm happily on Paul's side of things these days. Despite the limitations, the Toyota stuff seems to work better for me and what I do.
Birthdays are next level with Matt's Off-road Recovery
I put a 318 in my XJ , and used stock rad and fans. Not a single issue with cooling at low speeds . Fan miss alignment will only affect temps if the fan is closer to the discharge side of the radiator.
Oh my god I can’t wait to hear this thing rip, you guys rock!!
My hood needs paint too, think I'll come to your shop for my birthday! 😂👍
• What made you decide to use a mechanical fan, as opposed to running an electric (or *dual* electric) fan(s)?
• Plasti-Dip does not remove easily, if only a thin coat is applied.
EDIT: I found (the same day I posted this original comment) that in a previous video, the decision was made to replace two of the three existing electric fans with a clutch fan, which solved the overheating problems.
It simply seemed to me that having to get a hub machined to adapt the clutch fan to the water pump, combined with having to fabricate a fan shroud - was much more difficult than simply installing a single 3000 CFM electric fan, or 2-3 smaller 1700 CFM electric fans... especially when space, difficulty and time to return to service is a major factor.
I anticipate tears in this story.
plasti-dip is a nightmare
I agree with the plastic dip, thick coats come right off! One coat is a nightmare
From what I've heard, the trick to removing thin plastidip is to add more to it so it'll all peel off easily, haven't tried it personally though
All true. Don't put it on oxidized paint. It won't let go from mechanical grip. One thing you can try is purple degreaser and a giant soft sponge. I went from a completely plasti-dipped car, (Rust-o-leum version, brilliant blue,) to spray paint. I still have one piece that's plasti-dip. It's a perfect match to Bahama blue metallic from dupli-color. Maybe you could feel a difference. Horizontal surfaces are the worst with spray paint.
I’m not saying the rear shock mounts are inadequate, but I think I would’ve taking the time to put some reinforcement inside the hatch area and spread the load over to the fender wells … just for a peace of mind since you’re putting them in a location where they weren’t originally.
I thought you were going to surprise him with a new car or something... But nope, just gave him some work cleaning that shit off
Yeah ,I want to see that video.
Paybacks are a bitch. Right Trevor ?
I wouldn't clean it. I'd run it.
I enjoy your videos and never comment but have to with regards to the fan clearance. I can send you a picture of what it looks like when a fan clutch hits an xj radiator. I got a three core all aluminum one for free from a friend, all I need to do is weld up the holes in it. Your engine doesn't just fly forward when you're using that rope, it's gonna move like crazy just stepping on it, especially in 4 with both drive shafts doing their thing. Motor mounts and tranny mounts need to be bulletproof. Also, I have a shop manual for the xj. not sure who makes it but I can copy some pages if needed. good luck on your project.
There are three things you don't screw with,my wife ,my lunch and my freaking car Trevor is a better man than me!!
I'm with u on that. I no it was all in fun but I would not be happy but a least it's only a VW and that hood scoop might make the value actually go up.
I agree.
Awesome build, thanks for sharing your time and build with us.
Matt's hair style reminds me of Eddie Munster's. And that's a fact Jack.
I just found this channal. And im in love. Cheers to yall from South Carolina.
When you remodify things there are a lot of things that don't always match!
@ 1:20 'stuff right here, not so much here, or here, but here'. Tommy Boy! Love it!
ceramic coating or just wrap the headers :) keep the enginebay a little cooler
I went electric fan when I rebuilt my 75 pickup, it worked well in the Sacramento heat, I ran it direct so when I shut the engine off the fan would come on for a few minutes, it was nice for working under the hood on a hot day or needing to cool engine quickly, it was better than the flex fan I had in it, you will like it, trust us
10-4 got it, hence semi trucks, in-line 6’s are my favorite, with that radiator, engine and exhaust, I suspect it’s going to run cool, calm and collective, great build, good show, looking forward to the monster truck build, Thanks
They are expensive but why not high flow electric fans for the radiator?
🤘🏾I really enjoy watching you guys work and fabricate, wish I had friends and family like this.
11:31 If the fan is too high, why not just shorten the top of the fan and lengthen the bottom part? 🤷♀️
That so sounds like a smartass comment I would say. Lol