88] DON'T Coppercoat Before You See This | 45 Year OLD BOAT Gets Bottom MAKEOVER
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- Don't Coppercoat Before You See This - it takes a lot of time and back-breaking work to remove Coppercoat and the application is very difficult. You have to get 100% right, or it won't work. Our 45yo BOAT Gets Bottom MAKEOVER.
This video was filmed in November 2019.
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Ryan is so methodical and patient with processes .... you both impress in terms of your calm demeanour - very little drama - you just do the work (right) and get on with life - love this channel
Thanks ever so much Anne 😍❤️🙏
My back hurt just watching that video. That's a hellish job.
that is a LOT of work there .,, well done
Haha I like that ‘a drunk elephant’ I am always nervous leaving the dock. Xx
Watching you go at it with that scraper is giving me nightmarish flash backs of the couple of months yard work I did t 'get some experience' working on boats, which ended up being 95% scraping boat hulls 😆
I applied and Coppercoated in 2011. The problem your boat suffered was well understood then. I used solvent free epoxy supplied by Coppercoat. On the upside it's only two coats (because it doesn't evaporate) on the downside you need good weather (above 12 Deg with low humidity) It was perfect when sold in 2018.
Mr. Ryan. Three items. (1) You and your wife bring so much joy to your audience. Ignore the trolls. (2) Suggest you invest in a good deep sea fishing rod. Then purchase a long pole with a net at the end to scoop up your catch. (3) try obtaining a yellow trolling feather. I think you will like the results. Thanks to both of you for the amazing travel videos. Stay safe.
Cheers David! We'll look into that.
The fiberglass seems in great shape. Skua is turning in to a great sailing ship. Keep up the great work.
Wow, hell of a job! Well done.
I usually can't stand fixing stuff, but that was enjoyable 😍
It was enjoyable for me as well. I didn’t have to do it. 😁
Wow! Talk about a "heads up" about Coppercoat! Way too much work to get that stuff off, but then you did mention that they do not recommend installing it they way it was on Skua, anymore. I can't imagine spending a week doing all of that scraping and sanding! Ryan must have been one very tired guy each evening! The place you were on the hard looks quite nice and the view from the bow was pretty nice. Nice to know that all of this work was a prelude to your Big crossing!
Hats off to you guys, for doing the hard graft and a thorough job! There is no satisfactory substitute for hard labour and two weeks of boatyard work, esp hull prep is more than most people can stomach! But please, please remember your PPE! (Personal Protective Equipment) Cheers, From Mike :-)
For every minute of sailing, there are 100 minutes of hard-working.
I’ve had two boats copper-coated ... both were done professionally. Neither caused me any trouble. Both performed exactly as forecast by the manufacturer. In my experience it’s a fabulous system, but the hull simply *must* be prepared throughly. In amateur hands - in the wrong environmental conditions - copper-coat will not work correctly. Think long and hard before opting to install copper-coat. If you can’t be sure of doing it properly, just don’t go there!
Also, loved that dinghy bow-thruster!!
Go, you two 😎⛵️💯
Awesome work Ryan the ole girl is going to love you for the back scratch! It's going to glide like a hot knife thru butter once you return her back to where she belongs. DIY isn't always glamorous but you will know it's done right and done well.
Wow! Amazing! And I thought i was clever building a sailing dinghy in lockdown. What you have done is amazing! And real hard graft. You deserve everything that comes to you. Respect!!!
I saw a guy use a power wood planer hand held obviously set to take off a very thin layer at a time and it was amazing how fast he took that boat down to the gel coat.
Keeping a boat takes effort and patience. I applied a product called “Gelshield” after having the hull and sandblasted first. It took days filling and sanding the hull. And my boat was just 26’4” . Brilliant work guys. And you will notice the difference in boat performance too.
Hope you’ve managed to sort your lockdown out and can move on.
Bonjour vous deux. Vous êtes vraiment incroyable. Vous avez fait un travail de titan sur la coque de Skua. Peu de personnes seraient aller au loin dans la préparation. Ce dur travail sera récompensé quand vous reprendraient la mer. Bon courage et prenez soin de vous. Amitiés du sud de la France.
Great job. That's tough work , so we'll done.
Looks much less arduous in a 16 minute video than it was in reality I bet. 👍
Haha! Oh yeah, it was back breaking!
Hi guys, big job cleaning the hull off, reminded me of doing a similar job on a 48’ wooden boat but I was much younger then. Fairing those craters will have made quite a difference to your speed when you crossed the pond, that was one rough hull. I’m glad my Rival hull was Coppercoated professionally and seems to be nice and fair. Looks like a great yard to be in and not a bad view when relaxing on the deck after a hard days work. Stay safe and can’t wait to catch up with your videos of the crossing when they come out. Andy UK
Gosh such a hard job , well done, you have to be very patient and take your time ,Take care and stay Safe
Can also use a chemical bottom paint stripper. You put it on, cover it in plastic, leave it for a few days, scrape it off and then sand remaining off.
Whew! The previous owner (or owners) didn't do that poor boat many favors did they?
You guys are amazing, Ryan your skills and workmanship is legendary. I really think you guys will add a chapter in great sailors of our time. I love watching your channel and one day ill get to water myself.
David
Lovely part of Spain. Two years ago, I was just up the coast in La Herrandura, West of you
Good job & a great explanation on the perils of bad application. Stay safe stay well. Fair winds & regards from the UK
(Baz) I'm watching all that work and thinking oh crap we've got all of that ahead of us before we even consider painting on the antifoul. Well done, looking forward to seeing the finished hull.
Yeaaah, it’s not fun. Back breaking is the word that comes to mind 😆
@@SailingKittiwake Yeah 10 days of it, but think of all those muscles that got good exercise. 💪
A tough job well done. Much respect Ryan. 10 days of scraping and sanding! It must've been hell in there😬. The best explanation of the process to get the hull fair again I've seen yet. Still enjoying every video you guys make and every time I look you have more subscribers - so happy for you about that! Keep safe, FW&FS 👍🏻👍🏻⛵️
Amazing that the yard doesn't require a tarp on the ground and proper vacuum hooked on the sander to collect the dust.
As a guy that's sanded and prepped millions and millions of board feet of drywall lay your whole hand flat on the hull and take long slow strokes and you'll feel the hull for bad spots faster
I love the way you say "Skua"!
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There is a tool that goes on a grinder that has spur looking things we used on aluminum to clean. It was amazing to me it left a smooth surface , my boss said it was invented to remove marine growth.
Great video guys, I have seen too much go wrong with coppercoat even with factory reps supervising. I'm doing my bottom in a few months and would never trust it enough to do after some of the horror stories I have witnessed. Good to see it coming together!
In ship repair we use water blasting and it is a one day project. Great work and good explanation of your hard work.
Great video of a tedious , meticulous process. Good explanation of each step of your efforts!!
Cheers Robert!
You did well getting all that done in 10 days, impressive! Hopefully with all the sailing you've been doing it's stayed clean. When we left Cartagena our hull was still looking great, but 2 months in lock down in the Mar Menor and we've all but taken root! Got a real shock when I got the snorkel out last week. It took me half an hour to find the engine raw water intake today to give that a clean, it's so green in here. Looking forward to getting our into clear water!
Man, I'm so sorry for all the work you had to do in the bottom of this boat. I got tired even before you've started by just looking what was ahead. Anyway, you could also have used a multi tool with a scraper attachment to remove that coppercoat. I wish I could have given you this suggestion beforehand. Good luck.
You got more patience than me mate. That looked horrible. Good job getting it cleanup up.
Hey guys you did a great job on the hull I have building boats for 20years small tip when feeling low spots by hand try to move your hand forward and backward not side to side good luck..
Big well done ..... that's the most thorough job I've ever seen on a boat .... I must admit ... I just jet washed and anti fouled straight over the old .... done this for a few years now ... all wrong I know .... I'm going to do a proper job next year .... I learnt a lot watching you .... I admire the care you both take in doing jobs to your boat ...I'm living on a 36 footer in uk ....
You are gonna get a good extra knot with a fair hull!
Hi guys hope you are ok. You have brought that boat back to life in a big way, what it needs it gets and is done properly every time. I said when you first got Skua she was lucky to find you two ! i was not wrong. Just as a note a few of my friends asked me if it costs money to subscribe to any channel, it is totally free !!!
Thanks so much, Richard! 😊
Oh how funny! Yes, totally free to sub 😊
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Thank you! very useful info. What grid of sandpaper did you use to with the orbit sander? all my best!
You did that pretty quickly. It is really hard graft. We ground all the old antifouling and gelcoat ( there was osmosis) off our 27’ boat with a drum sander on a drill. It took weeks and several trips back to Black &Decker for repairs to the drill under warranty (the gelcoat dust fused around the motor brushes). My forearms and shoulders ached a lot!
Eesh, I bet! There's something about boatwork that just knackers you out!
I feel your pain man.
Looks like a tough job, a huge degree of patience and a large surface area to give 100% attention to every bit. How long did the whole job take, rough cost and did you hire or buy tools. I assume this exercise is a major part of annual budget? Did you sleep on board every night?
10 full days. No, we bought the tools - they’re useful to have on board anyway. The cost of smoothing the hull must have been around €450 for the tools (we had to replace the sander halfway), discs, sand paper, etc However we already owned the angle grinder from the previous refit, so it cost us about €350 at this stage.
Yes, we slept on board every night.
Nice to watch someone else doing this after we've spent weeks stripping the hull 🤣🤣 actually kind of relaxing!xx
😂 looks easier on video right?
@@SailingKittiwake yeah so relaxing. In reality I've been sanding for 4 days straight and I'm about half way through. My hands are covered in blisters and my arms are falling off 🤣
the pencil hash marks are called a guide coat...you can do the same thing much faster by using a very light coat of spray paint then sanding that back to reveal the low points...much fast and much easier.
I learnt that trick spray painting my car. I used simple black and then sanded it before applying the other coats. TH-cam is wonderful in that respect!
Would it need to be a 2 pack paint if putting 2 pack over the top?
WOW! Tough job taking that off. I did some calculations and copper coat isnt worth it to me. Boat is coming along nice.
Thanks a lot, it depends on many factors and is so specific to how you use the boat, for some people it makes sense, for others not
La marcia dei diecimila chiulometri inizia con il primo passo.....(Mao Tse Tung) All'epoca avevamo tutti una o più versioni dei suoi pensieri - il famoso libro rosso (Verde quello di Gheddafi ma non ci interessava) od eravcamo altrimenti impegnati). Buona fortuna, buon lavoro e buon viaggio, soprattutto. Skua è veramente una bella barca.
Hi Ryan, the last time we were in Almerimar about 14 years back , you were not allowed to work on the outside of the hull only the inside. only the marinero`s or local contractors were allowed . They would even make inspections to see it the yacht owners had been working in the night and threaten to put your yacht back in the water if work had been discovered.
I guess that practice has now stopped, and you are free to carry out your own work. We ended up having to go to Aguadulce where they allowed us to work.
How odd! Yes, everyone was working on their boats, no problem 😊
Yeah I was there last year. No problem working on your boat and even dry sanding.
Just wondering if a heat gun would have been worth trying on the hull. I've had some exciting times getting into travel lifts. One with no power where the dock assistant assured me he had it all under control until he didn't.
Lucky you don't have a catamaran with all that work that goes into this :-)
An A+ for diligence and hard work.
Of course, there is always a "But!" Ain't TH-cam fun !!! 😁
First, you need to practice your "Back and Fill". I have seen a skipper crab a 45" long keeled ketch (not counting the bowsprit), 150 ft down a marina alley with very expensive boats on either dock, with barley 10 ft either side to spare.
As far as fairing goes, what you did was more "smoothing" then fairing. You need a fairing board, aka agony board to do a proper job.
That rectangular sander you first used was an orbital sander, not a random orbit sander like the round disc one you later used.
Anyway, happy sailing ad keep the videos coming. I assume this one was before the Coronavirus hit. Hope you are safe.
Rick Owens Hi Rick, yeah, we call them ‘Torture boards’ for similar reasons. I’ve seen four apprentices swinging off the one four metre torture board before. Looks impressive when they’re all perfectly synchronised and the results are impressive when used in professional hands. Get it wrong though and it’s an arduous process to smooth out the hollows!...
Those carters and moon like surface is exactly what my coppercoat type antifoul looked like. I couldn't remove it in the time I had so just sanded down 36 grit and put antifoul over it with a tie coat. That worked fine. It would be nice to completely remove it though at some point. I was in Almerimar last year. Is the green yard dog still around?
Well faired and smooth surfaces are very pretty, but isn't the latest race boat theory that a textured surface is slippier and thus quicker than a perfectly smooth finish that actually sucks the water to it and thus slows it down? Anyway, another great vid, shipmates; but really weird, knowing you are actually, currently, on the other side and we are all on covid lockdown.
nice looking yacht !! do you know the condition of the core ???
That was a very small scrapper on a very large hull.. Sorry Ryan but rather you than me. I can understand why it took 10 days of damn hard work. Congratulations on getting it done.
Makita man... hi from the dewalt man.
Are you changing all the through hull fittings? Just in case.
Hey, very interesting video.
Can you share the link with online place where you buy inexpensive stuff you mentioned in video?
Thank you
the red you see under the previous primer is bottom paint that wasn't removed properly
Incorrect, it’s gelcoat
02:50 Beautiful music, whats the name of that song?
Lots of work / it will keep you guys out of trouble hahahaahaah take care
Was soda blasting an option to remove the copper coating?
Wonder if a belt sander would of been better.
Before it developed the extensive blister problem, did the Coppercoat work at keeping marine growth off or make the marine growth easier to clean off?
We don’t know - it was like this when we bought her. We just delayed doing the hull by a year because we couldn’t afford a haul out when we bought her.
That is a lot of work. Sand blasting would seem the way to go.
Sandblasting wouldnt work as it would blast the exposed underneath areas as much as the coppercoat, so you’d end up with holes in your primer and gelcoat etc.
@@SailingKittiwake I just did the sandblasting, and it was not the way to go :)
How did you enjoy Almerimar? It's quite a nice port down here in the south. A lot nicer ones a few º to the west, however :)
It was ok for us, plenty of amenities and the stumble inn for a Sunday roast! But not really the genuine Spanish feel, Almeria and Cartagena were both really nice towns and more of a Spanish vibe :)
You can use a solvent primer but you have to let it gas out.
Looks like quite an overhaul on that hull before your next passage! Those anodes look like toast too.
I don’t think they applied the copper coat correctly. And they definitely shouldn’t have put anti foul over it. Looking good though👍
Thank you Captain Obvious. He says as much, if you would have listened. SMH
Not true. Coppercoat is a water based epoxy. The epoxy will offer some protection to the hull (Not quite as effective as epoxy without impurities in it) I know of several that have been antifouled without a problem. (Obviously not when blistered though)
how long would a job like this last? 10 years? 20? just wondering how often something like this needs to be done. thanks.
It depends on how much antifouling you put on every couple of years and if you scrape it off before applying new antifouling. If you just add layers and layers of antifouling, you could be doing this job every 6 years or so. Also this job was way worse because of the failed coppercoat if you just need to remove antifouling it’s a breeze compared to copercoat
That reminded me of trying to smooth our walls down after ripping off the wall paper in our house. Why is there anti foul on top of copper coat?
The previous owner decided to put it on top as he couldn’t afford to top up the Coppercoat 😆
Where I live in the U.S., no boatyard would allow the kind of grinding and power sanding you are doing without tarping and tenting off the boat to prevent your dust and debris from one, getting all over your neighbors' boats and two, getting into the local environment. Most boatyards around here don't even allow do it yourself work anymore.
Our yard puts your boat in an enclosure as standard practice. They have environmental clean-up and special drainage to ensure nothing escapes into the waterways. You can do your own work but I'm sure the local tradies would like that stopped, but then we would all go to Boatworks instead. There they encourage own work, provide motel units, showers, cooking facilities and boaties lounge. They have superb chandelries and every trade in the marine world.
@@philgray1023 Please explain where "Boatworks" is located. I would love to find a marina that would let me do my own work!
Pretty much every boatyard in southern europe dry sands the antifoul. Many have yard dogs that are green or blue from all the dust. That's just how it is especially in Greece, and Spain where I've lifted out. Not saying it's right, but that's how it works.
I have never been any fan of Copper Coat. This is only of the reasons as well.
It’s a bad idea to use a graphite pencil to mark the places of the primer. Graphite is a good separator and places where it remained under the primer are potential places for the formation of blister.
Uh, sailor love a good sanding and scraping... 😎
Glorious glorious sanding :D
sand or is blasting will be a better way to this
Take it for granted your steering system will be repaired making your boat seaworthy again
Hi guys, it has been forty days, quarantena ;-) since you arrived in Bequia. How are you getting on there? Any chance of a short video of life in the Caribbean?
It's paradise, have you been to Bequia?
@@SailingKittiwake Yep but just for 24 hours though to drop off an engine block for the locals to use for a mooring. We then sailed to Falmouth in Antigua for race week and won a prize for being the oldest vessel to enter 😂
She was a gaff rigged ketch Baltic Trader
Built in Denmark in 1879.
And I completely agree, paradise. Now making some serious enquiries about revisiting. Will let you know.
Couldn’t you also soda-blast / sand-blast with a power tool in much less time?
Oh boy....Soda and/or dry ice blasting would have been much faster and much better result
No it wouldn't.
First time watching one of your videos so perhaps this is not typical but why did the girl not help with the sanding? Then she says in her sexy accent that it took him 10 days to sand the hull! 10 days! and not 1 second of footage of the girl at work. Jeez, thanks for the help honey!
I’m his sugar mummy 😂
I was working to pay for the yard + refit materials and doing everything else (food shopping, cooking, going to the chandlery, picking up materials for the refit, editing videos,...) 😊
On our previous 26ft catamaran, which cost a lot less to refit, I sanded both hulls myself and helped out with everything (th-cam.com/video/l_XC-HyJOm0/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/B1xhaDVSkbk/w-d-xo.html). With this boat, 37ft, I needed to make more money, as it's bigger and we did a complete DIY re-rig (expensive!).
We’re not like other channels - we’re on a very small budget, so every time I got paid by a client, I ordered more materials/parts. If I didn’t do paid work 7 days a week during the boat works, we could do no refit.
Sorry if that offends you, but it was the only way to do a refit AND cross the Atlantic on time for us. When we win the lottery, I’ll be able to help again 😉
Elena
Hello Elena, thank you for the reply and the explanation. Although I am not sure you qualify as a sugar momma, your man is definitely pulling his own weight. Sounds to me like good teamwork and cooperation. Nothing wrong with that. However I would like to see you get dirty the next time. Good luck with the refit!
It was a joke, hence the emojy. I've gotten plenty dirty before and after, don't worry :) I work damn hard all year round to be able to afford us to live on a boat (I've been the one earning our living for 3 years now). I worked 7 days a week while Ryan was doing this boat work (and he rightly had some days off in between), and I work the rest of the year while we sail. Without my modest income, we couldn't do any of this - the sailing, or the boat work. So I have nothing to feel sorry for. In fact, most men we meet would LOVE to do boat maintenance a few months a year in exchange of not working at all.
Feminist women should be supportive of other women, not criticise them... All the best and stay safe.
Don`t Copper coat at all.. Silicone based is a 100 times better in every respect!
Is Ryan a perfectionist or what love how he takes his time with all the Jobs on SKUA I love that boat if I were to buy a boat it would be a bob perry one but the wife will not let me . She says you can't even swim I said that's why I need a SKUA good luck on your next adventure
Dennis Conner couldn't swim when he competed in the America's cup races, I remember a reporter in Australia asking him about it and his response was that it kept him motivated to stay on the boat and keep the boat the right way up (not capsize). Swimming is not a requirement for sailing, just recommended.
Hi I agree you do not have to swim to go on a boat I have tried and tried to learn to swim my friend Dennis used to swim the English Channel tried to teach me did not work you miss out on a lot when you cannot swim it's my life long regret I never managed it
Why would you put anti fouling on top of copper coat?
We didn't. The previous owner did, because he couldn't afford it.
That'S not a random orbital!
Could you have used a chemical paint stripper or rented a media blaster to remove the Coppercoat?
I dont think chemicals would strip the copper as much as they’d damage the primer and gelcoat.
@@SailingKittiwake I used a chem stripper on my boat. It worked well on old ablative, and paint, was easy on gel-coat, would not touch copper - at all.
Bit more than a shave and a haircut :) .... Note: don't buy pop rivets from a chandlery :)
You shouldn’t use flapper discs on a hull. Bad idea. Use the rubber disk with the flat pads and keep your grinder flat. Much better result.
What went wrong that would have been better with a pad?
@@SailingKittiwake well, you can see the groves it made on each stroke. then it needed heavy sanding with a flat sander. by using flat discs you don't get the grooves. It was just a suggestion. something I learnt from Sail life video's and put into practice on my own boat and it sure saves time.
@13:30; Please don’t tell me that the cleaning solvents you were wiping on bare handed, were MEKP! (Methyl Ethyl Ketone Peroxide...) MEKP IS PROBABLY THE NASTIEST CHEMICAL IN THE MARITIME INDUSTRY!!! The SLOWEST ingestion path to your kidneys, is through your skin - which takes approximately 45 seconds! The fastest is to drink it (Takes about 5 seconds to make it’s way to your kidneys!) Please always use rubber gloves (Thick ones, if you use thin ones you’ll see what the MEKP does to them in no time at all...)
That looks like a vibrating not random orbit sander.
Thats a horrible job to do. I have done it twice and have promised myself the next time to have it blasted off. Coppercoat seems more trouble than its worth
We totally agree.
When did people wanting to live afloat and sail around the world start begging to get complete strangers to pay for it all? Where is the achievement in having it handed to you on a plate?
I think quite a few of the well-known sailors have done it - - and their books are quite good.
brutal ....
Grinding and/or sanding was the preferred method of osmosis removal 30 years ago prior to peeling technology. Get a professional to peel it off!!!