Useless Overweight Tanks of WW2
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can you talk about canada in the war
Second!
Common misconception the tog never had a QF ordinance 17prd cannon rather it had a QF ordinance 32prd 94mm cannon
In the early phase of TOG II It also had tow duble machinegun sponsons and a QF ordinance 6prd cannon in place of the frontal mounted machinegun
Nice animations
Thanks for gold
@@crazy_adventures6326 not
“The tank was originally invented to clear the way for the infantry in the teeth of machine gun fire. Now it is the infantry who will have to clear a way for the tanks.” Winston Churchill
Underrated comment and i gave it 9th comment
Depends on the type of a tank, light tanks can clear the way for the infantry easily
I never thought id hear simple history saying “absolute unit” unironically 😭
Wth is a absolute unit
@imachickennugget3966 essentially just slang for someone or something much larger then average like when you see a walrus that is larger the any of the ones around it you could say it is an "absolute unit"
@@Astralshadow95 ok
@@Astralshadow95 hello absolute unit :)
Germans in a nutshell:
Hans, we need better transmission!
Ah, bigger cannon, you say?
Nein Hans, better transmission!
Ah, so more armor?
Nein! I said, BETTER TRANSMISSION!
Oooh, *B A T T L E S H I P C A N N O N* !
*JA HANS!*
Tank fish?
Underated comment and i gave it the 20th like
I think I once heard that... the german head official/leader would think of the battlefield more towards a WW1 setting due to being a veteran of said war (like railway guns to smash fortified lines). It also wouldn't help if the germans didn't have time to design new tank frames with better (reliable required) engines that can be manufactured in mass.
@@imachickennugget3966 he saying that he is stealing a quote from tank fish
@@bromhead oh
Forget subtlety, embrace Absolute Units.
Tog 2 best absolute unit tank.
HMS HotTOG
But can it beat the venerable Bob Semple tank
Fun fact: During the war, Porsche experimented with Electric Motors for Tank Transmissions, which increased the power of the tanks acceleration (Torque). This saw use in the Porche Tiger/ Ferdinand, and the Maus. The Electric Motor in the Maus was so powerful as a result of its 1200hp torpedo boat engine and with a panther providing extra power, mostly assisted itself getting free of the mud pit that it sank into. Electric motors on the Tiger P, in fact, were in some ways better than the Transmission of the Tiger H. But lack of rare metals like copper in germany limited their use in german tanks.
thats good to know
but as an improvement: you write Porsche with an S. i know you dont really think of it if you say it in english, but here in germany you can really hear it then:)
@@dominikmeril1720 Crap I just now noticed I missed the S!!!
GW Tiger and GW Tiger (P) were technically two different vehicles entirely. GW Tiger - which was real - was captured at Paderborn in 1945 along with the sole E-100 chassis. It was built on the Tiger II hull, heavily modified to mount the 170mm gun. The GW Tiger (P) was something envisioned for the remaining VK45.01(P) hulls. I have a book on these things.
I love the " never ending " TOG 2, hilarious touch!
Can you talk about "no armor is best armor".
he ignored you
He def ignored you
Small correction, the TOG II has a 28 pounder, not a 17 pounder. It‘s a common mistake
Yaeh. Older version of tank gun used in Tortoise.
and a lot more armour than three inches
It doesn't help that Bovington still lists it as a 17 pounder cannon. even though it's measured to be a 28 pounder.
@@test_dude that becomes even more stupid considering that the people at bovington literally were the ones to find out that it has a 28 pounder
I had a distant ancestor who was the gunner of a Jagdtiger. His name and rank were Unteroffizier Fritz Klein. He as the gunner of Jagdtiger 131, attached to Schwerer Panzerjäger Abtielung 653. Tragically, he would meet his end in March, 1945 near Heidelberg. As his Jagdtiger came into an intersection, it was shot in the left side by the 76.2mm M1A2 gun of an M4A3E8 Sherman “Easy 8”. Set on fire, the crew was forced to evacuate. Fritz was sadly one of the two crewmen that were gunned down by machine gun fire. Unusual how families can be on both sides of war, no?
One fought against the evil commies, one fought with the evil commies.
The Sherman Easy Eight and others were equipped with the 76 mm gun. Only the British equipped the sherman with the 76.2 mm, which was known as the 17 pounder, and their sherman were nicknamed Firefly.
@@Smartyvoy not true. According to old documents from the U.S. Army Ordnance Department, it was indeed said that the new guns on M18 Hellcat and M4A3E8 Shermans were 76.2mm. Even Wikipedia - which I know is not reliable, even says 76.2mm. I also heard from an Easy 8 crewman from the Korean War that it is in fact a 76.2mm gun. So, sources are there.
It would have been particularly interesting if you had another ancestor who was in that particular Sherman!
@@williamrobinson827 possibly. I mean, I had an ancestor on HMS Hood and a few on KMS Bismarck. My ancestors HATED each other. 😅😅😅
Most people and sources think the Tog 2 had a 17 pounder gun. It looks like it but Armoured Archives went to the Bovington tank museum and it actually has a 32 (94mm). cannon.
*28 pounder, the prototype precursor to the 32 pounder.
Now this is what I call the absolute units of ground assault. now we need a ship and plane version!
I think ships would be pretty obvious
Underrated comment and i gave it 14 th like😊
@@errorerror6927 bull
Of those built the largest were in this order Yamato, Iowa, Bismarck, and Vanguard. The Iowa class won as the largest battleship you can still visit.
@@Predator42ID nah
Surprised you didn't mention the American version of the Tortoise: the T95/T28 super heavy tank. Even slower, and more armor. And managed to remain hidden for decades...
The good old Doom Turtle
As a Hungarian, I'm glad that you showcased our dreamtanks of ww2, and what actually suprises me that the pronounciation of "rohamlöveg" was quietly on spot in my opinion! :) And also if you don't want to break your tounge pronounciating it, just say assault gun, because it is exactly what it means in hungarian :D Assault gun - Rohamlöveg. I really enjoyed the video btw. Love u guys.
The TOG was supposed to have suponsons like the WWI tanks but they were never fitted/designed The turret was meant to have various options, till someone put a under development A30 turret on it
You didn’t mention the “American Tortoise”, the T28 super heavy tank. Which only survived being scrapped because the US Army parked the thing in a field and forgot about it for 20 years.
Better known as the T95 - it changed designation a couple times, between Assault Gun (which is what is was designed to be, VERY similar and same reason the Tortoise came into being) and "Super Heavy Tank" (even though it had no turret).
There were 2 completed, one scrapped the other lost in a field (big vehicle, but fairly low profile - guess the grass grew over it).
Tutel🐢
@bricefleckenstein9666 the remaining t28/95 is at fort moore
FINALLY!
HUNGARIAN WEAPONS!
Having now piqued my curiosity, I’m gonna go over Hungarian history and see what cool weapons they had 🔥
You should research goulash canon. The French military claimed it was a moving artirelly and it was feared amongs them. :D@@kanseidorifto2430
Bár igaz teljesen rossz infót közölt velünk, de igen
A Tas-t sohasem fejezték be a szovjet bombázások miatt, és csak egy fa prot. volt amivel semmire se mentünk.
Páncélzata eredetileg 100 mm, majd később 80 mm (mint a Panthernek ismét) re változtatták a tervekben.
A roham löveg, meg csak egy koncepció volt, A HIDEGHÁBORÚBAN
MAYGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My brain in 2 seconds:
Look at the size of this lad:
*ABSOLUTE*
*UNIT*
Meanwhile in the German Tank Development Office:
“Hans? We need better communications.”
“Nein . Big battleship cannon!”
“Ja Hans! Big battleship cannon!”
Love this Chanel, keep up the great work❤❤❤
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The Jagdtiger is in War Thunder at 7.3 for Arcade Ground Battles and 6.7 BR for Realistic and Simulator Ground Battles respectively. I myself have recently got the KV-1 in the Soviet Army Tech tree. She’s a hard nut to take down especially when she’s angled. Just yesterday I went 7-0 in the KV-1.
10:17 So as it turns out, a Maus when faced with 120mm APFSDS, undergoes partial mitosis
2:26 "you can do it while sitting on a toilet" bro I was watching the sponsor on a toilet
@10:02 Phineas: hey Ferb, I know what we are gonna do today. *mississippi queen starts playing*
Germany be like: what if we put something powerful and put it on a tank
One can only imagine what they would have done with a nuke...
Reference the Ratte and LandKruiser designs.
omg thankyou for more tank vids hope to see more in the futre
Brilliant vid as always🎉🎉🎉
I’d love to see a video on the tragic submarine mishaps over the years.
Simple History can you do a Simple History video on Fulgencio Batista and his presidency in Cuba.
I love how simple history showed the maus a few times but it was not in the list.
A very well made video! Here's some further information regarding a couple of tanks featured here;
The Hungarian Tas Rohamlöveg has unfortunately been debunked as a fake tank. Its concept was based on a theory in the 1980s regarding shared components but disproven by Hungarian archived records in the late 2000s. There were in fact orders for two 44M prototypes and no mention of any assault gun variant anywhere, so it likely never existed.
Further, the TOG II had closer of up to 4.5in of frontal armour whilst being armed with a 94mm 28pdr though Bovington is yet to correct their mistake after remeasuring, and has been additionally proven by TOG II documents noting the 3.7inch gun.
The way you made the tiger 2 is giving me flash backs to call of duty ww2
Man, this makes me want to create some videos myself of the World Wars, such an interesting part of history. Even a video about heavy tanks can be made this interesting..!!!
fun fact:
In WT and Wot universe... The tog 2 and Tortoise was nice....
Tog 2 in wot was tier6 and wanna big HP aside its slow like that video.
Tortoise in wot is same as Tog2 but having more armor and nice DPM.
The Tortoise is also in WT, but it SUCKS! It's lack of mobility makes it near impossible to fight without the help of teammates, and you often lag behind, making you easy prey for aircraft
@@johngreen4349 true but being super heavy tank...
In WoT, the Tog 2 is one of only 2 Tier 6 vehicles I never did a one-shot kill on with a KV2.
Just too many hit points.
Never managed it on a T150, just a little too much armor and never got full pen.
So, some info on the Tortoise: the remaining unit at Kirkcudbright is little more than a rusted hollow shell, ruined by decades of target practice and salty sea air. Of the six, only two were ever in working order. The four other Tortoises are believed (though there are conflicting stories that they were destroyed) to have been sent over to the BAOR (British Army Of the Rhine) in Germany for some unknown purpose - I’ve been searching for images of them for a few years but haven’t ever found anything.
Love the emphasis on the TOG2s length at 7:30 ha ha ha
Germans:transmision breaking because the vehicle is to heavy? ADD MORE WEIGHT
I remember reading how Soviet tanks were stopped by JagdTiger but ISU-152 managed to land 50 kg HE shell on its front plate... And JagdTiger just stopped firing.
I am surprised that there is no mention of IS-7 that was nearly adopted for service, but considered "too heavy"? which lead lead to his smaller brother IS-8 (T-10) being adopted.
The bigger the cannon the slower the reload the higher the chance to die if surrounded
Do videos on the comparison of Churchill, Matilda, Crusader and Cromwell vs Sherman/Pershing please!!
So what about the maus and the American superheavy?
Was thinking the same 😅
A great video as always Simple History, well done. It was quite the nice touch hearing you say absolute unit and for that you have my most sincere congratulations🎉.
Wow, you spelled the rohamlöveg really well. You keep surprising me!
Just some help with Hungarian: Rohamlöveg literaly means assault gun, so it can be translated as Tas assault gun. Great video btw.
'Bigger Is Better' equals "Absolute Waste of Time and Resources'.
I love your channel
Interesting you didn't include the Japanese O-I Super Heavy Tank or the American T28/T95 Super Heavy Tank.
Not much is known about the o-i since the supposed prototype is nowhere to be seen
@@ZXV_XXX The blueprints and test drive documents exist, but WoT, numerous model builders and "what if historians" have spread so much misinformation that people think the whole vehicle didn't exist.
I'm not certain the Jagdtiger could survive an ISU shot to the front (I know it hit the side in the animation). The HE shells in that thing scabbed and shattered armour like it was plastic.
Soviet Union came out with a hopping tank that seems to bounce forward. Never seen any action? Russian military came up with the strangest and weird tank of the First World War. It's actually had a gigantic, huge front wheel called Tsar Tank, it never saw any action. The front wheel was supposed to knock over trees, it's actually still there today.
0:16 describes what you will encounter after posting memes in General
This needs a part 2
How about a video about times when enemies helped each other/inpromptu ceasefires?
The Tortoise had 9 inch thick armor?!? That could survive a nuclear blast!
There was apparently a mockup upgrade that would have allowed it to have 2 pontoons on the sides mounted with 2 extra rotatable 7.62 machine guns. Which can be seen in War Thunder.
6:02 it's funny to See an American who is trying to pronunce hungarian word so badly. BTW I love your videos!
Ro-hám-lőveg. Nekem tetszett! :)
Hey can you make a video of military recovery vehicle of world war 2 or FCM 36 tank please and thank you
awesome, again learning something new from the experts at Simple History
I have suugestion for next video : absolute units of tanks part 2 / absolute units of warships
You forgot the t-28/t-95, America's only super heavy turretless tank
Another interesting one that was never made was the land krüiser. Which was basically supposed to be an aircraft carrier on land and fired the biggest artilery rounds ever made. There's a good reason it was never made. It can't cross any bridge. It's probably as heavy as 10000 fully loaded tractor trailers.
Is the guy in the British tank museum for the TOG2 tank, wearing the green jacket supposed to be Lazerpig?
There is an inaccuracy in the video about the 44m tas. It's front armor is divided into 3 plates and only the middle poorly sloped plate is 120 mm the upper and lower plates are only 75 mm making it weaker than the panther.
The turtle in the thumbnail is a nice touch.
I think if we tried we could totally build a replica of the Ratte
Not try, do or do not, there is no try. I quote Yoda for the simple fact that if Germany can build a 2,000 ton tracked mining machine, then the Ratte wouldn't be an issue.
Heck with Russia's lack of true air superiority I can see a few modern versions of the Ratte absolutely decimating the Orcs.
You mean "build a prototy[e" as it never made it off the drawing board and apparently never even made it TO a "final design" drawing board.
At least the Landkruser's gun did (also known as the Karl Gustav and the Dora, 2 built one documented to have been used at Stalingrad among other places).
@@Predator42ID If you're talking about the Baggers, they're a lot more than 2000 tons - but the external power and the sheer HEIGHT of the things would be issues in a fighting vehicle.
And they make the T95 or Tortise look like race cars.
Ship and plane version pls 🥺
Fun Fact:The Bovington TOG II actually has the 3.7inch 28pdr gun^^
No, it was its own ability. That's what made it nice.
They just didn't have capable leaders that could actually use it
Well the TOG II was able to go faster than 8.5mph the last surviving TOG II has a damaged transmission which limited its top speed to 8.5mph and the TOG II atcually has a 94mm 28pdr gun. For the longest time people have thought that it had a 17pdr 76mm gun but after somone measured the guns wight he had found out that it indeed was not the 17pdr 76mm gun but the 28pdr 94mm gun.
1:58, i wondered if tanks as heavy as the Jagdtiger would fall of the cranes during transport and uhh the tank just fell on him
Cranes existed even then that could handle even more weight.
A ship version of the list needs to be made.
Aside from the very obvious ones, there are a few others to mention;
those being CV-7 Wasp, Tirpitz, and Shinano.
Hard to say if the unbuilt finalized version of the iceberg ship would've been useless or overweight. However, a smaller prototype was constructed and they knew of no way to protect it from the summer heat. Though the prototype lasted longer than you'd think.
1:57
RIP Hans :(
Never knew caseoh was a tank
Only real ones remember when this was titled Absolute Unit Tanks
last time I was this early tanks didn't exist
im surprised the t95 didnt make it on this list
Only OGs remember the green tank destroyer thumbnail
i feel like you could've made the thumbnail a tiger tank breaking down lol
since that's a pretty well known flaw of it and other extraordinarily heavy tanks
Surprised you didn't add the T28/T95 to this list.
i like how the tog in the thumbnail is just shooting itself
1:19
There is evidence that at least one Maus participated in at least one battle on the Eastern Front before being disabled.
188 tons is a LOT more than 71 tons.
The Jag is probably the heaviest land combat vehicle to enter serial production AND see combat though.
This is interesting stuff!
TUTEL!!!!
i love how the maus wasnt mentioned. that means mercedes did a good job with it:)
The Sturmmorser is mental tank.
@1:58 R.I.P. To that factory worker! 🏭 👷🏻
“If there’s a use to that, I’ll eat my hat.” -Codsworth
Considering how crews often abandoned them, its suprising only 3 remain.
That face reveal lol 😂 2:34
10:13 - Maus took its failure so hard it split in half AND deflated. XD
I love the 44M Tas so much and it bothers me that it never got a chance to prove itself.
Huh, I didn't know that the Germans tried to mount an old Austro-Hungarian Skoda 30.5cm mortar on a tank
TOG II is love, TOG II is life.
Put the Hotdog Skin on that badboy and start enjoying life ffs.
Holy crap, thats what our beloved narrator looks like! Awesome :D
The Tog 2 was not armed with a 17pdr but with the 28pdr, a 94mm cannon.
I grew up in Kirkcudbright I’ve seen the wreck of the A39 Tortoise
No, TOG did not have a 17pdr cannon. And NO tog was not designed for 'WW1'-style trench crossings.
JagdTiger it was a tank that the allies would not have wanted to face, especially if it was facing them
TOG II, my favorite troll tank in WoT. Also, you forgot to mention the T29 aka the "Doom Turtle" and its simultaneously hilarious and wtf story.
T28/T95 u mean?
@@hyperf16fighterjet yes, sorry had a different tank on my mind apparently.