I worked for a bee keeper for 6 years when I was a kid. When we found aggressive hives we were instructed to kill the queen, wait a few days, and introduce a new bred queen to repopulate the hive. I thought that was the best procedure until I saw your video. I never thought of the drones that would hatch, breed other queens and spread the anger. GREAT video.
Here eastern part of the US some colonies of normally docile honey bees can get an aggressive queen and that can be done, but have seen whereas the entire colony has become over aggressive and the entire colony would just kill the new queen indeed and unfortunately is best to euthanized the entire colony than take the risk. Other locations with africanized bees, intruding a more docile queen would not work well for that reason.
@TexasBBQ Smokehouse I’m 100% with you on using a flame thrower on spiders - good riddance I was attacked by a monstrous hunting spider that eats entire fish and birds as its prey. It’s enormous and aggressive and it literally torpedos itself through air and water, swims and dives to hunt the fish beneath water. I never fathomed that such a creature even existed- much less that it inhabited my area of the world that enjoys a reputation of having zero known or reported predators. It attacked me out of nowhere. I was minding my own business and swimming in the middle of a placid river in a locale that, as I said, is blessed with a reputation of having no predators. It was a gigantic, swimming spider. It came out of nowhere appearing on the surface of the water less than 2 feet away and lunged at me three times in rapid succession. As I caught sight of the burgeoning assault from the corner of my eye, before I even had time to doubt my sanity, instinct took over and I reflexively swept my arms forward to create a swell of water in front of me to slow its progress and push it away. I then swam at a torrid pace to shore. Once ashore, though the adrenaline and trauma was still fresh (that’s PTSD for you - unfortunately many things can trigger panic attacks once you have the underlying condition), I began to full on assume that I had to have hallucinated the encounter. This naturally flowed into me starting to doubt my sanity. But it seemed so real. So back at home, I scoured the internet for some sort of confirmation. I was torn between seeking peace of mind to know I wasn’t insane versus peace of mind to know that no such monster inhabited my beloved swimming spot. I leaned toward hoping for insanity. It turns out that in my area there is such a monster. It was the size of my fist, with legspan extending beyond that. And it hunts with the exact MO as described. I’d been in this area nearly my whole life. I read the papers. I watch the news. I’m an avid enthusiast of the outdoors. And I talk to people- or, at least I did until the PTSD took its hold. I never heard of any such a thing. A huge spider that hunts birds and fish and dives and swims underwater. And that hunted ME on that day too. But it’s all true.
@@lollygagger9571 so… I left off my location purposely because being a DV survivor I have to be very cautious. But i found a video showing exactly the type of spider. Apparently they are found all over the world. These spiders are technically able to inhabit anywhere wherever there is fresh water. (It doesn’t mean they’ll be in every fresh water body though. I’ve spent every summer since childhood glued to the rivers, lakes and ponds, swimming and playing water sports and neither me nor anyone I’ve ever met or talked to has ever encountered these things. Except for me. That one time.) Here is the video, as promised, showing this 8-legged demon spawn monstrosity in action: 🤢🤮😭 m.th-cam.com/video/CktmhnWnSJI/w-d-xo.html In case you are wary of links, you can find it here on YT yourself with a quick search. The video title is “This Terrifying Spider Hunts Fish Underwater” and it’s on the TH-cam channel of The Smithsonian (Museum). FVCKING YIKES. Now I’m having flashbacks. Seriously. Pray for me. 🙏.
I wonder if anyone ever made a queen trap. By that, I mean something to kill the first queen to hatch. African drones breed queens that hatch one to two days earlier than American/European drones. Still, killing the hive entire would work. I would use a fire extinguisher. I remember hearing about a person who ran inside. I think it was Arizona. There was a forty degree difference in temperature. All the bees that came in died instantly from the drop in heat.
If you are in an area that has Africanized bees around, your virgin queens may get africanized genetics from drones in the area. Also swarms will need to be requeened 9/10 times. I had a hive that would attack 100 feet out and would fill your veil with bees. i brought out a pail of soapy water and killed all but 3-4 frames of bees. also killed the queen and all drone brood. put them in a nuc queenless and no open brood for three days and then introduced a gentle queen. they remain gentle 3 years later. I don't tolerate very defensive bees anymore. they are totally unnecessary.
I agree.. My horse was killed by bees 2 months go. He did the right thing. I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy.. It's not worth taking chances with mean bees.
Very informative video, but it is astonishing that people would make racist comments on a video about beekeeping. There are so many people with diseased minds.
Extremely glad to hear you promoting getting rid of the entire colony, this has been my argument for years. It's extremely unfair on other beekeepers in the area to inflict dangerous genetics on them.
Hi Sarah, one of my concerns here is that we do have beekeepers nearby who won't even discuss their bees or management practices. I couldn't agree with you more :)
I lost a relative to killer bees. He had bee hives, and one of them became africanized. He was riding his mower and they attacked him. He had a prosthetic leg, and couldn't escape. He was a very kind hearted person, and would never blame the bees.
My condolences. I’m just curious, your relative was unable to run with his prosthetic leg? Or did the bees swarm him once he inadvertently got too close to the Africanized hive?
@@kitsunefaye1661 He was not very mobile and apparently they overwhelmed him quickly. He was laying beside the mower, barely alive when his wife found him.
One of the most informative well presented bee videos ever. Boy was it ever noticable when you walked in front of that hot hive. This is first hand documentary quality information. Awesome work Fred as always.
@@FrederickDunn I knew they was killer bees as normal bees are gentle why can't they not mess with nature hell they got more honey but got aggressive too greetings from UK England near London 🐝🐝🐝😱🐺🐾
@@NathanChisholm041 there* (Their = a property or characteristic of someone or something; There = Location) In a case like this it's important to know the proper use because it changes the meaning of the sentence.
Thank you for the voice of sanity and reason! There’s so much ‘save the bees’ sentiment nowadays, that it goes too far when it’s a dangerous hive. If you know how to handle bees and conduct yourself around them, then you make an objective, educated assessment and do the right thing before someone gets seriously hurt. Period. No amount of honey is worth getting someone or something hurt or killed. Great video. Thank you!
as a beekeeper myself, do yourself a favor and get some Fischer’s Bee Quick when you are harvesting the honey. It’s a game changer. Also make sure to wash your suits frequently. Each hive has their own pheromones. As you go from hive to hive they pick up on them and go into attack mode to protect their hives. The Bee Quick will help with that but also washing your suit, hat and gloves frequently will also give you a better experience when harvesting. Thanks for all the videos and good luck!🐝 3.6K Reply
Thank you for the statement " please do not over sensationalize defensive honey bees" . It is important to recognize that there is a problem with some bee genetics without adopting a panic mentality. It was especially important and educational to see docile hives right next to the defensive hive. It illustrated the behavioral difference in an easily understandable and non-subjective way. I also appreciate the term "defensive" as it does not trigger the over the top reaction as much as africanized, hostile or aggressive. Bees do naturally DEFEND their home. But, it is also important that the bees be good neighbors. Thank you for sharing this situation and presenting your insights in an honest and educational way.
That end talk was awesome. As a beekeeper, I value your knowledge of africanized-bees and sharing how controlling the genetic lineage and behavior from close queen monitoring is important.
I was always under the impression that northern states didn't have to worry about Africanized bees due to the winters they get. I hope actual beekeepers aren't as ignorant as I am to this.
They get brought up during the spring as packages from southern States. You're correct, they would not survive the northern winters. We're fortunate in that they can't form feral colonies as they have in several southern locations.
@@FrederickDunn If there are Africanized bees in the US, does that mean that they were brought here from Africa and spread their genes? Or does Africanized just refer to their behavior, becasue ive always wondered what genetic differences make your average bee into an aggresive, Africanized bee.
@@dogshake it seems to be a blanket term to refer to their inbreeding genetics, like how we use inbreed as a word but don't classify the precise genes involved. The breeding makes them africanized and thus a problem for future generations... At least, by what I understand of how he speaks of it.
@@RWAsur I did a little googling and in the late 1950's, around 25 swarms of lowland African honeybees (which are known for being extremely defensive) escaped, spread, and mated with honeybees all across Europe, where eventually the gene spread into US. Today we mostly refer honeybees with the lowland African gene as "killer bees". Its really crazy how a freak accident can lead to having these "killer bees" all across the world
Chris Pacheco African bees are extremely productive, like two or three times more, someone in South America had the bright idea to have them cross breed with European honeybees to try to get the “make lots of honey” trait minus the “murderous rage at the slightest provocation” trait. It was all going well til an attendant removed a blocker designed to keep the queens in the hive. The swept north through the south west and now they have spread through the entire southern United States. So now we have jerk bees.
I've only recently got into bees, but have some property and have them in a nice quiet place away from people and livestock for that reason. Thankfully it was a good idea, as one of my 2 colonies is rather agressive. I generally see it as a strong genetic trait though, as that colony has been an exemplary honey producer and is doing really well.
I live in Southeast Texas. My grandmother had kept bees for 30 years, but she stopped in the late 1980’s or early 1990’s because she could tell her bees were becoming Africanized because they had become noticeably aggressive and were able to sting right through thick rubber. She had taken a rubber inner tube, when we had such a thing, and had cut it to fit her arm. She had worn the rubber sleeves over the sleeves of her bee suit, and the bees were still able to sting through that. Still, they did not have livestock killed. She gave her colonies to a beekeeper who was more comfortable with them. Many counties in Southern Texas are quarantined, meaning that bees can’t be transported to counties where no Africanized bees have been found.
Hi Mr. Dunn. I live in central Florida and the AHB bees are a real problem here. A few years ago in Labelle, Florida, a very very hot swarm attacked a horse and stung it to death. Autopsy revealed that the horse had over 6 pounds of the bees in his mouth, throat and lungs. These bees are nothing to play with. I always wear a full suit for any removal calls that I get and any hot hives or swarms are totally wiped out to try to prevent northern migration. We have a very in depth inspection program down here and our state inspectors are all top of the line. We have more inspectors than any state in the nation right now. We're also fortunate to have an incredible bee research department at Florida State University, but the point that I want to make is that they are here, it's a very sobering very real threat but I think that as long as the beekeepers band together and communicate with one another, this can be managed. The service that you do is invaluable.
Hi Stan, I'm glad to know that so much work is being done in Florida and that they have increased up their inspection program. It's a time for beekeepers to seriously be prepared as you already know. I understand that Florida received an Africanized bee boost via shipping activity? I am reading some comments from keepers who seem to think that splitting or salvaging these bees is a good solution. I hope they soon realize that it's extremely important to listen to people such as you who are residing in a front line State. Thank you for sharing and of course, for watching my video.
New beekeeper from Miami Springs (learning from a 30 year bee keeper). I am absolutely astounded at how gentle our bees are. Used a swarm trap and set up my first box. You are echoing several items stressed by my mentor. As a newbie (and a paramedic with Fire Rescue) I was stunned to learn about our important roll in stewardship of the wild colonies. Thank you for such an excellent video. It's a keeper.
Frederick, I did not know that Africanized Honey Bees (AHB) were in Florida. I am not wanting to over react, in spite of my first question. Is it safe to have honey bees in Florida? The AHB drones can contaminate our good bee stock! Do we have to eliminate all AHB first? And is that even possible? We grow a lot of produce in Florida, particularly south Florida, so we need the pollination. We obviously don't want AHB anywhere near people, livestock or our gentle honey bees. What would you suggest?
Bloody hell! I’ve been terrified bees/wasps etc my whole life until I started watching JPthebeeman recently. I’ve been binge watching his videos and find bees fascinating now. That’s probably why this video was in my recommendations but am I sorry I watched! While I appreciate the “don’t sensationalise” thought I have to say I’m back to being terrified again. I live in Ireland and had never seen a swarm apart from you tube. Now I learn my favourite place in the world, Orlando and Disney has a real problem with bees that attack in serious numbers 😳 Sorry, but that’s scary as sh1t!
I watched a video of another farmer who said he had been keeping bees for decades without an issue. The video he made was well worse than even the bees you showed and he said the same thing. He said it was important to get rid of the genetics because they were just too aggressive and his original intent was to requeen the hive. Many people were angry that he killed the bees. I agree with what he did because allowing them to breed would be irresponsible. Hearing you talk just reinforced my opinion though I don't have any knowledge of beekeeping. I do know someone who kept bees where you could be right next to the hive without issue like you were with the other bees around that nest.
@@joejones but do they need it? yes in some cases, but they could also be killing other things around them. so if they kill other animals that help spread new flowers around, killing their food sources. Or killing themselves with just going around being defensive and not actually doing the work they are meant to be doing.
@@joejones The average American honey bee is not aggressive unless they feel under attack. Even as a kid I would follow bees as they traveled flower to flower. I'd even gently pet the bumble bees as they were gathering nectar and I've never been stung. What's killing wild non aggressive bees is loss of habitat, fear, ignorance and africanized bees. The africanized bees are an invasive and even deadly species that don't belong on this continent and the more that's eradicated the better it is for the bees that are meant to be here
These bees need to die. Most bees fly away & mind their own business. Africanized bees aggressively attack. I'm trying to figure out where their hive is as I can't go out on my balcony anymore without one or two Aftricanized bees flying right at me to attack & I'm highly allergic to bees.
This is a really worthwhile video for anyone keeping chickens and bees together just so they know what can happen in extreme situations. I've referred it to my fellow beekeepers in the Alameda County Beekeepers Association. I also really like you calm tone throughout this disturbing video. Thanks.
Yep I kill the hot hives, (only one so far) I don't mess with requeening. Don't want those hot hives or genetics around my neighborhood. This situation was not even a question, if they harm anyone that didn't mess with the hive then it's thumb down.
I’ve dealt with this in northern PA. Had to walk almost a 1/4 mile for them to leave me alone. Still got stung through my suit a couple dozen times. They was monstrously productive but we wasn’t gonna keep it. We made a plan to get rid of them but a bear 🐻 🍯 did it for us. That critter paid dearly for his sweets.
Boy, so sorry for this lady. I completely understand the need to kill the entire hive. We have a responsibility as beekeepers around people to keep calm and gentle bees. Great video Frederick.
I am highly allergic to Bee venom. I watch your videos to learn. When I purchased property in rural Virginia, I had 4 hives (feral) that kept me terrorized. (I am aware that they can smell my fear). I was able to talk to my neighbor, who was a long time resident, and a local bee keeper was able to come and collect the bees, moving them safely to their bee yard. I offered to pay them (because I know how import bees are and I also know that they spent two days clearing the hives) but instead they gave me honey! Now I know this may not be the norm, but I was very grateful. I still walk around with my epi pens in my pocket, but I get to enjoy my trees, and my flowers, and the beauty that surrounds me. I would have been devastated if my husband had killed the hives. It is not the bees fault that I am allergic to them. I am grateful that Mr. Bingham (my wonderful neighbor) goes to church with so many Bee keepers!
Thanks Frederick. I have a hive that has recently gone hot, and stinging livestock and people for no apparent reason. I remembered you doing this video a few years ago, and have used this to determine my course of action. I have also notified the Agriculture Agent of my plan to destroy the hive and the genetics, as I cannot call myself a responsible Beekeeper (and yes, I am registered with the County and State Department of Agriculture) if I were to ignore this hive and unprovoked stinging attacks. Not a 5 Alarm Hot Hive, but certainly a 3.8-4 group of girls. Thanks for your insightful videos and advice. It was a painful decision, but the right action to take. Jay
You can load a garden sprayer with 1 tablespoon per gallon, Dawn Ultra Free and Clear. I wouldn't hesitate to spray them right down if they have become dangerous. I wish you all the best, stay safe.
yes but usually they don't attack like this, I wonder if these are african honey bees and the others were european honey bees as they are different. African Honey Bees are also known as Killer Bees. European Honey Bees which most people have in the USA are not really aggressive. However African Honey Bees also Known as Killer Bees, have managed to be imported into the USA are found out west and some have made its way east in a few colonies.
I'm sad to say our first ever bee colony turned from gentle to unbelievably aggressive over the last few weeks. I feel like such a failure. Today, my husband and I went to check the hive. We knew they were acting aggressive but didn't know how bad it was until this morning. They attacked us the entire time. They dug in the same way they did on your microphone. 😢 They got in under my pant cuffs and stung me repeatedly. They followed me 50 ft. and were relentless. My husband was stung several times as well 45 minutes afterward getting out of his suit. They stung through the heavy gloves and got a few through our thick suits. Thank you for this video. I was considering the queen, but I realize now the entire hive needs to go.😢
I'm sorry! But thank you from the rest of us for choosing to first help the whole beekeeping community and our friendliest bees by making your difficult choice to euthanize.
I was attacked by a swarm here in New Mexico, barely made it to the hospital. You did what you needed to do, thank you for explaining why it needed to be handled.
The way she is petting the hen is so loving & calming. I’m sure the poor baby was so scared & confused when the bees attacked her. I’ve always known bees could turn aggressive, but I had no clue of the extent of aggression they’re able to reach!!! It is SHOCKING to me, as a non-bee keeper. My husband & I are from & live in NC & really want to get & keep bees!! We have around 15 acres way out in the boonies & really appreciate these videos, so if we do decide to get them, we are now VERY aware of this issue & will be a little more prepared!! So, THANK-YOU!!!!! **nwnjba also has a very informative video. I actually found THIS video in the comment section of nwnjba’s video!!! 🐝
Thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I'm grateful that this event will serve to help you become more aware. This is very VERY rare in the northern U.S.. There were two similar issues in my area during this same timeframe. Nothing like it has happened since.
I built up hives to a total of ten colonies with very gentle bees that are easy to work without PPE. A few weeks ago I happened to be working near them when a swarm alighted on an apple tree. I think that some of my bees mingled with that swarm. When I tried to capture it I was stung 15 or so times. The swarm escaped. The next day I had aggressive guard bees come out of one of my hives and attack me. Going 150 ft away and waiting a long time did not make them stop. My guess was that some guard bees from the swarm returned to that hive along with some of my old bees. After a week I was still unable to walk across the yard without having bees come after me. Usually I would have had my young grandchildren with me and that would have been a disaster. Since it came on suddenly I hoped that my old queen and brood in that hive were ok. So, I got some new queens and split that hive. I left a nuc with only two frames in the location of the defensive hive with the idea that the guard bees would return to that hive that night. The next day there were many bees circling that hive but not the new splits. That night I sealed the hive and carried it away to be destroyed. After this the split hives as well as my older colonies were back to being gentle again. However, now I will be watching even more closely for overly defensive bees.
Ouch. 15x. I’m basically a big baby in the inside after getting stung once, but trying to keep it cool on the outside. Can hardly imagine the ones COVERED in them.
I watched an English beekeeper channel on his hot hive. He requeened with a virgin queen. Your explanation as to why the entire hive needs killed makes perfect sense.
HI Barb, I agree with requeening with less aggressive lines, but when they arrive at the "killing" level of defensiveness that's where I draw the line. Thanks for your understanding. :)
As painful it can be I agree with you, Fred. The other issue that I didn't see you mention in your response to Barb was the concern that the drones within this hive could spread the aggressive behavior to other hives.
People in England just re-queening are destroying the domestication process and they are greedy... take no notice of these guys. They are happy to spread their aggressive genes throughout the bee populations in the UK and do not care about contamination of nearby hives (or people).
Fantastic, very educational. I know a lot about this subject however the way that you told the story and put it together I’m sure, was a huge help to people who may have already had this experience or will. Plus it shows what a good neighbor and friend you are. They knew who to call when things got “hot”. Nice work.
Thank you so much, I really wanted to present it in a low-key reasonable way so that viewers aren't overly alarmed by the possibilities. Yet, at the same time, try to get the message out that it's a good idea to be prepared for the worst.
As a beekeeper in Zimbabwe I have learned to mange the Scutelata bee and it was interesting to see you assess the defensive bees in the video. We keep bees in suburban areas as there are many wild hives in hollow trees in the residential areas in Zimbabwe. As beekeepers in Zimbabwe we provide swarm capture services and educate the community on how to stay safe around our natural but defensive bees. There are some guide lines for managing African bees and it is possible to manage these bees with some risk management. It is not an option for for a small close farm setting but in areas where you are forced to except this bee it can be done with relative safety. All the problems we have encountered are caused by ignorance of how to deal with the African bee. We manage all our colonies at night we do everything in the dark. Harvest honey and move hives everything is done at night because the bees do not fly far in the dark. Our protective clothing is completely bee proof. We use double cuffs gators for hands and feet. We use lots of cool smoke. One of the things that you learn is how sensitive bees are to chemicals and odours. All American and European beekeepers would find a course on working African bees very helpful. It makes you a more sensitive and professional beekeeper. The African Scutelata bee demands your respect they have no malicious intentions but through evolutionary pressure have become the most successful invasive species in the history of man. The two main predators of the African bee are man and the African honey badger this is why they are so defensive. Even the big five in African do not mess with the African bee. I am very fond of my bees they are wild and free I respect them and they remind me that I am a thief every time I rob them just as they should . I would love to have saved those wild bees in your video. I have never seen a Varroa mite our bees just rip them up and hive beetles are ejected and imprisoned and literally lifted bodily off the landing board and carried away that I have seen. You have a war on you hands the outcome will be decided by the climate the African bee will keep coming. Only the cold will stop it. I strongly suggest that you learn how to manage these amazing bees you will be happier in the long term.
Thank you for this excellent breakdown of why the colony had to be destroyed. I knew a beekeeper when I was little and we walked around the hives with no problem and I hope to have hives like those. I will try my hand at beekeeping in the near future so thank you for the great information provided in this video.
This was amazing! It breaks my heart to see the livestock affected by this hot hive. Its a sobering reminder what kind of care beekeepers do in order to ensure the safety of their bees and other livestock.
That is why i always buy F0 honey bees from the Alps (i live in EU). These are bread in the high lands and valleys so that no other species are around. That way you can get pure genetics and select good populations for further breeding. My bees are the friendliest in town :D. I never use smoke and most of the time you do not even need the ware a suit. They are chill and as long the weather is nice that are just fine with me helping them out.
@Dram Toet Open breed in Arkansas and you will never need a suite, in fact I don’t own one and never will with almost 2 dozen monster hives. I use smoke as it is the correct way to handle bees.less stress on the bees using smoke
@@Retrenorium 😂👍 And they already said it: When in the high lands or valleys they turn into bread so that no other species are around. I assume bees don't like bread and it's a strategic defense reaction. (Bread can be really powerful when it is thorough.)
I grew up with bees my grandpa had in Tennessee, and never had a problem. Now after I got out of the Marines I met my wife in Italy and I am starting my own apiary this February and African bees are everywhere in Sicily. So this is something I will have to pay attention to. Great video!
@@FrederickDunn I was in Sigonella for 9 months going back and forth to Africa where my wife is from Sicily was my translator. And thank you it's been a few years but we're going to give it another try and see what kind of honey turns out and hopefully open a small business here.
Very good. There are people that I have watched on utube that take the hive home with them. They prefer working with them because they are good honey producers. They need to watch your video.
That works if it's just a hard hive to manage. If it's a dangerous hive, one acting as aggressive as these by killing other animals and attacking anything that comes into the yard etc, it will Not work. A beekeeper I was watching tried that first and failed miserably. He killed the Queen, waited a day or two, offered a new Queen in a Queen protector for her safety, did everything "right". The aggressive bees ended up killing her and making their own aggressive Queen!! He had to kill the whole hive before they spread to his other hives. Difficult and dangerous require different tactics sadly.
@@TheBellmare in this case you're wrong perhaps what's further from people and other animals but at this point this hive is a danger to humans and other livestock it is unacceptable and a responsible to leave it so that it could hurt someone and your attitude is a responsible I hope you don't have these for the safety of those around you
I agree.. My horse was killed by bees 2 months go. He did the right thing. I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy.. It's not worth taking chances with mean bees.
I agree that's a good thing to get rid of those mean nasties. They can keep on spreading. we've been naturally selecting animals for about 100,000 years.
I am a bee farmer from South Africa. Every Thursday my brother and I transport 50 swarms Across country . Now with the lock down and all the lights from the police . They don't make us stop for long ...
Thank you, Mr. Dunn, another exceptionally well made and informative video. I concur with your philosophy of removing the aggressive strain completely. This outcome could have been so much worse had there been children in the area when the bees attacked the farm animals. This topic was actually brought up at a bee meeting and you do need to be prepared to take drastic measures in unusual situations like this. I have ten hives, three in an urban setting and pray this doesn't happen to any of my hives. Your closing comments were spot on, thanks again. Atlanta, GA
Thank you so much for such a wonderful comment. There is a very dangerous practice some beekeepers have of sharing that "real beekeepers don't wear suits" (';')... ok, until you really need one. I'm so glad your beekeeper's association is talking about potential events such as this.
I agree.. My horse was killed by bees 2 months go. He did the right thing. I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy.. It's not worth taking chances with mean bees.
I'm a beekeeper in South Africa. Our bees are mostly super aggressive. I no longer live on a farm so I'm not currently keeping bees as I've seen what can happen when a hive goes on the attack. I'm expecting to emigrate to the USA late next year and I'm really looking forward to being able to have a hive or two in the garden. One thing I've never seen or heard of is a hive taking out another hive, not sure that happens but he rest of what you said all makes sense
From what he said I think you haven't really heard of that because you don't have docile hives there for others to take over, and also probably just because thats not normal bee behavior it seems but just done by these crossbreeds
I love bees but know very little about them. I was searching for answers regarding bees because there was a colony near my house. I’m in an HOA community and was told to call a beekeeper vs them. He came last night and collected the bees. I was absolutely fascinated by the behavior. And now I want to learn everything about them. My point is, thank you for taking the time to film and post your videos. You are a amazing! Thank you!
Non-hot will probably still defend fiercely against aggressing hives. But it might also be due to what he explained, that they aggress once they move out and need a new place. There's no need in attacking otherwise. I guess they are - luckily - not so advanced in their strategizing that they aggress based on resource availability. Or if they do, then their competitors are very hostile, too. Dunno, maybe Africanized bees merely have a lower threshold to becoming aggressive but are not really any more peak-aggressive than a pissed off European hive.
What a great explanation of how bee hives work, and get switched to HOT. My mom used to raise bees and I really like the normal bees but I’m not gonna allow any rogue hot bees around. Thanks for the info
Thank you Mr Dunn. I did like your calm voice. When I watched the tape I said to my husband that all of that africanised hive has to destroyed. I'd go as far as destroying the honey. Big cry if you have lot of hives. My husband tells me it was over kill. As far as I was concerned kill all bees pulled hive apart and scrub down all the parts and pour boiling water over them in a tub, 5 minutes remove and hang into a string bag on the line to dry. Hose all the bags down. Leave to dry if fine weather. No more Africans. Not a one but ever watchful. Thanks again🎉🎉
Thank you for a great video. We live in South Africa, Western Cape and we have 2 types of bees on the farm, the Cape honey bee and the African honey bee and for us this kind of behaviour from our bee hives are normal and we can not work our bees without protective clothing, I am envious when I see the good calm nature of your bees. Thank for your videos we learn a lot from them.
Jason K I would assume (not a beekeeper here) that even if you were to introduce a calmer strain from another part of the world they would quickly become africanised due to contact with native bees.
@@holypaladin4657 Diligent effort can do the trick. Although whether the fact they are less productive will help ... probably not. Depends on the overall attitude being cultivated in the country. ... The ANC call themselves socialist, but I doubt they would promote anticapitalism in this matter, hah. ... They are quite aggressive.
Your point about we needing to keep tame bees in order to keep the angry bee genes stamped down is spot on. I had not thought about that aspect of it. More good genes equals the bed genes getting watered down.
Mr. Dunn, I am a beginner who enjoys learning about bees. I want to thank you for a clear and well explained detailing of what transpired with this hot hive. Yes, it is unfortunate to lose that stock, but your explanation made it clear why it was necessary. I’m leaving with a belief that that action was taken because they cared for their entire stock. I hope everything continues to be well for them.
WOW THIS IS SO INFORMATIVE MY NEIGHBOR HAS BEES AND THEY ALWAYS COME IN MY FLOWER GARDENS NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THEM WHEN I'M OUTSIDE DOING WHATEVER.DID NOT KNOW THEY COULD BE DIFFERENT GENETIC MARKERS THAT COULD AFFECT THEIR BEHAVIOR.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO..PEACE FROM CANADA...STAY SAFE.
I am a novice beekeeper in NW Arkansas. We lost our bees last year shortly after a neighbor sprayed a cattle pasture with a herbicide. This spring to our amazement the stack of empty hives were suddenly filled with an enormous number of bees. And these bees are agressive. If you stand 20 feet from the hive they begin to swarm around you. Our bee suits aren't good enough. But man are they productive. The hives are filling with comb like lightening. Our Italian bees are calm and have nowhere near the vigor. These are probably African bees. I am going to get them examined by an expert.
Peter Johnson English bee-keepers complain about the aggressive Italians! (and they can be lol). I have heard of a swarm of classical English bees being found in the spire of a church in Northumberland: perhaps something may come of this
I discovered a colony of Africanized honey bees that had had moved into a hollowed out oak stump on my homestead. I’ve encountered honey bees before in the wild but these bees were in a completely different class. I was clearing out some underbrush that day, temp was around 95 degrees. At the time, I wasn’t aware that the colony was around 75’ from where I had been working. I soon found out quick where they were when I had fell a tree in their direction. It was like an explosion of bees, nothing that I have ever encountered in my life. They were attacking the tree that I fell, the chainsaw, the gas can, anything that was near the vicinity of the hive. I managed to escape with sheer luck only because my 4 wheeler was near by. I was stung about 10 times while driving away. It was like a scene in a horror movie and I was the main actor. I called a local beekeeper who specializes in removal of these bees. He came over and spoke to me about the procedure but required my assistance. We put on some protective gear and headed back to the hive on foot. A couple of days has passed since the first encounter and the bees were still swarming. The method he used was crude but very effective...a couple of chemical insecticide foggers throw at the base of the hive and wait. Once the mass majority of the bees were dead. He went in to locate the queen to make sure she was dispatched.
Hi Eric, thank you for sharing your story and I'm glad you were ok in the end. I hope sample bees were collected and sent off for evaluation so it would be known to what percentage those genetice were of the African line... interesting story!
Excellent video. As a beekeeper in SoCal I can totally relate. Re-queening here is almost a constant to prevent any of my hives from producing their own. I keep bees in a major city and cannot tolerate aggressive bees even if their honey output is better.
I am from South Africa and can say that I have worked with bees that if you had to come into a hundred feet the bees will start to attack you and if you get close to the hive they start covering you.. If you take of honey you need someone to help with smoking regularly. Every disterbance you make to the hive the bees become more aggresive you could be covered with bees in seconds. If I had to open the brooding section you are looking for trouble. You cant take the risk to keep bees in your neighbourhood. Everyone in the surrounds are at risk. Another thing is a young colony wont be so aggressive, but as they grow in number you start having problems. This however is not for all bee colonys some are more docile than others. Note to never bother the bees on a rainy day. Most bees will then be in the hive and not working the field and there will be more bees to attack. Also when it is a very hot day for there will be more bees busy fanning to try and keep the temperature down and are easily irritated. These aggressive colonys are usualy very productive, but should be kept away from live stock and places where there are people
People as myself that are entertaining the thought of beekeeping via the Honeyflow system put up a huge cautionary flag. Thank you for presenting this information with calmness and level headedness. More to ponder before jumping into this "side hobby".
First I got to say I am very amazed at the folks being so critical of the noise from the bees. First off hearing that kind of buzz is a huge learning experience. Any beekeeper knows that the sound of the bees tells you a great deal especially of their mood. It is not just the amount of noise they make but the buzz changes, Just like when you smoke the hive. Mr Dunn, from one B keeper to another Great video. I have only one hive and yes it is REGISTERED! Nothing better than having professionals to come out and check your hives from everything to disease to becoming africanized as this is what keeps our bees in good harmony with the environment and to boot its a free service. I know I tend to overreact at times but to those that do keep hot africanized bees. One day your ignorance is going to get someone killed or even a child because a local Beekeepers hive was contaminated by the genetics of your stupidity and ignorance. Which, If I recall is how we ended up with the issue of having africanized and killer bees here in the first place. Other than what us beekeepers do to get honey and resources we do this to also fight the on going ignorance of things like pesticides used by people, city, state and even some farms that are killing off our honey bees. In my opinion and yes it is just my opinion, people that keep hot africanized hives are totally going against the morals and ethics of what a TRUE beekeeper is trying to do. It's not just for honey and resources its for our world. I think for those that are doing it just for honey and production should not even be keeping honey bees period. Argue this all you want I don't care. Right is right and wrong is wrong I don't care who you are. Sorry for the rant it just pisses me off that some folks out there just like some Nurses and teachers that are in it for the money only and not for the future of our kids. Well, we see how that turned out right. Any how, Mr Dunn I thank you for the video and the education as this is one of my biggest fears of happening to my hive. Now I know a little more which is a fantastic thing Buzzing or not lol. PS: Just for note of those being so judgemental of the sound and the video keep this in mind. You are not telling others anything new about Mr Dunn or how Mr Dunn does his videos. You are not even telling Mr Dunn anything new that he does not already know himself but what you have done is told the entire world a whole shit load about yourself. Something to keep in mind the next time you want to nitpick and be criticizing of someone else's work over some stupid shit instead of the important things that matter. Now Off my soap box. Peace Beekeepers!
I'd love to have a bee hive for my garden but being in AZ, it is too dangerous. Even my local honey makers put their hives miles away from people - it is too dangerous to have bees too close to people. The English honey bee has no chance with the African killer bee but some have had some luck with the Italian honey bee against the killer bee. However, just too scary here.
That's too bad Nicole, I've heard about the Arizona feral colonies being taken over almost exclusively by these highly defensive hybrids. I wonder how the commercial beekeepers handle it?
@@FrederickDunn Here is our guy in Tuscon that makes honey from his killer bee hives and explains what he does. th-cam.com/video/luszv798bYc/w-d-xo.html
I've heard about AZ bee keepers. One guy explained his process to me and I kept thinking you're out there running from bees after harvesting etc so you have less bees to kill in your car when you get in it with all those layers on in 115 degree heat?? I thought him nuts. Said his hives was "making bank."
@@nicoleh.9898 thank you very much for the link to that video that was a very informative and interesting video. People that are under educated about a subject are afraid of that subject knowledge is definitely power thank you again!
That was so scary. Those poor people and animals. Thanks for sharing, I watched another video and they said to use dawn or any degreaser soap in 5 gallons of water. Seal off and pour down all through.
They "could" do that, but properly bagged hives die fast and there is no clean up save for removal of the dead bees. Not every apiary has soap and water handy, but it's easy to have an emergency kit of heavy black plastic bags and packaging tape. Water/soap inside the hive requires rinsing and clean up as the soap residue isn't good for re-occupation. A suffocated colony can be put back into use right away after brood and dead bees are removed. I try to show methods that could be used anywhere without utility resources. You can back a hive that is actively attacking. Soap and water require some preparation and setup time.
I think I just saw the same video before this one was recommended lol I prefer that method, much quicker. The people that owned these bees said it took so long. Makes me sad to think of them slowly suffocating, whereas those bees with soap were dead instantly. All it needed then was a light hose off he said. I'd rather bees suffer less, than give myself a little work to do cleaning up.
This is incredibly informative. You did a great job handling the bees and teaching people on some of the science people need to understand to safely run an apiary.
Thank you sir for being so responsible and for teaching others. I see communities like the one on Reddit where they talk about requeening a lot with aggressive hives but they and they seem to not take kindly to euthanizing an entire hive. But it seems clear to me from everything you've said that to keep the genes out of our bee pool the entire hive needs to be euthanized.
I dont know bees at all and this video made me aware of consequences a hot hive would have on not only your hive but it keeps the genes spreding .... very good video keep it up :)
Not really, bees don't hunt, and they certainly aren't seeking out prey. They just have a much wider radius at which they will attack, and are more likely to do so
@Charles White With a guy who gets a wrong look and attacks - maybe it could be seen as either defensive or offensive. Practically, it makes no difference, but theoretically - maybe some attack because they enjoy to fight - while some have an insecurity that they've learned to compensate for by being very aggressive. I have a dog that if someone appears suddenly to her say 50 to 100 feet away she will start barking and run towards them. She'll stop 20 feet out, keep barking while slowly approaching all the while giving more mixed signals before finally being super friendly once making contact. POINT IS - I've always wondered how I characterize this behavior - I genuinely think it's defensive - at the root at least - that she's physically insecure - but I don't know - it's interesting.
Thank you for taking away some of the stigma that African or Africanized bees carry. Do you ever use degreasing dish soap in water to exterminate hot hives? It looked very effective and the equipment could still be used after rinsing thoroughly. I enjoyed watching your work and would like to see more! Keep it coming, bee whisperer!
You can use dish soap, specifically Dawn Ultra Free and Clear. But you'll have to use copius amounts of fresh water on all interior frames and surfaces to make it suitable again for the bees.
They said that they used a plastic bag to suffocate the hive. Couldn't the bees make an escape hole with their stingers? What thickness of plastic is required?
Im really glad we live here in New Zealand where this is not an issue, my children's school has a vege garden, orchard and beehive. I don't imagine that would be possible in some of the southern states where the AHB are an issue. Thank you for being so informative and being sure to give facts and not glorifying beekeeping at all costs.
Bees are a necessary part of the environment. Besides providing honey bees also pollinate a large number of plants, including plants that provide us food. However since Africanized Bees are now part of the environment there is this important matter of maintaining bee hives with bees that are not aggressive and dangerous. This is a good video on controlling these Africanized Bees.
It was cool to see how passive most of the bees were. But the level of DEPLOYMENT from that orange box was horrifying! So glad I'm not actually allergic but 50+ stings? YIKES! Yeah, the more aggressive bees would likely take over the hives of the passive ones eventually. Remove the genes. I LOVE my chickens, and your hogs are adorable. So sad to see them hurt!
There have been bees in my family for 2 generations. I really enjoyed your explanation and your professionalism in explaining hot hives. You are a real beekeeper.
They are no joke! I lived in Arizona for 10 years and every year the news reported attacks that killed people and pets. I lived in a neighborhood that ended up with a swarm of many thousands and a professional beekeeper had to come and euthanize the swarm so no one would be in danger. So sad that Africanized bees were brought here and that they often need to be dealt with in a negative way, especially with the bee crisis worldwide.
Thanks as always for the in depth focus on the subject. I like your prior QA format but this was a great learning opportunity to share too. Admire your calm and trust in your equipment. I have no bees yet and no prior experience with a hot hive, but there was a kind of species-level response to listening to the rage of that colony. My adrenaline is still up just from the sound!
Fred... thanks for being such a cool youtube channel! I want bees of my own one day and I've learned so much from your videos over the past year. You're a class act, keep it up.
Ran into africanized wild bees cleaning out at tank with a dozer, they were in the hollow of a willow tree. Luckily was surrounded by lots of farmland. I set the dozer on a crawl and abandoned ship. The bees chased the dozer at least a 1/4 mile before it got stuck against an old fence line that was grown up with big trees and stayed with it for 2 days until it ran out of diesel. Came back with bee suits and a half dozen cans of wasp spray, turns out it works on bees too.
thank you Mr. Dunn, Over defensive bees are a problem we had to deal with over the years. I don't advocate killing bees but at times it seems to be the only solution. Nit-rile gloves under the leather gloves will stop a stinger from delivering the venom. Were in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mtn. range and with the pollinators bringing their bees to almonds has increased our "defensive" bee problem. Good video, thank you!
I'm a retired nurse, have been thinking about bees a long time. I have 29 acres next to a forest, and planned on trying to catch wild bees. This is only info I could find on aggressive bees other than old newspaper clippings and old SNL skits. Thanks
This is probably the most I've ever learned about honey bees. It's pretty dramatic and could have been infinitely more tragic had you not helped and had the owners not have the presence of mind to contact you. I find you to be very pleasing to listen to and I didn't want the video to end. I was learning so much especially about genetics seeping in and changing the hive to such a dangerous level. Remaining calm is always a good policy.
Thank you for the education! I've watched other videos on aggressive bees, but yours is by far the best if you want to learn something. I think I'm not going to mess with any bees that are that way. Thanks again for your wisdom. GOD Bless 😇.
THIS is EXCELLENT! Mr Dunn, your channel is always full of surprises and this is extremely valuable information. You are always so calm and I'm sure that's comforting. I really enjoyed watching this video!
I loved this video and found it so positively informationally full. I also find your presence very soothing and comforting as I go into my journey into bee keeping. Thank you for sharing this educational and informative video. I’m not ready to lose hives to pest, or a hot hive but knowing you have to make the conscious decision to do what’s best for the bees in our future makes me sure I should get into bee keeping. Thank you!
I've been watching a lot of videos about bees lately and this is one of the more informative videos I've seen yet. I'm pretty well spooked by them because I have a rare skin condition and am not sure how I would react to being stung (35 years old and have yet to be stung--because I run like a little wimp when one gets close to me, haha). My going down this bee video rabbit hole has been an attempt to assuage my ever-so likely irrational fear; heightened due to recently moving to a place that has a lot more flying around than I'm used to. This video has helped a lot, particularly with you outlining the fact that there are different levels of aggressiveness between different strains of honey bees. Additionally, I'm bothered that this video has ANY dislikes. Thank you for your work and the insight.
As a paid professional firefighter our policy for handling such a hive in an emergency was to suit up in our bunkers and air packs then do a rain drop effect with fire fighting foam from our 1-1/2” hoses knocking the bees out of the air. Then washing off people first and animals second. The foam is a surfactant breaking the water surface tension allowing the water to knock the bees down and drown them. We found it to be very effective. Liquid dish soap does the same thing. Food for thought.
Excellent video, and completely necessary in my humble opinion. Thank you for taking the time to document, and most important explain your reasoning. I learned a lot!
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I worked for a bee keeper for 6 years when I was a kid. When we found aggressive hives we were instructed to kill the queen, wait a few days, and introduce a new bred queen to repopulate the hive. I thought that was the best procedure until I saw your video. I never thought of the drones that would hatch, breed other queens and spread the anger. GREAT video.
Here eastern part of the US some colonies of normally docile honey bees can get an aggressive queen and that can be done, but have seen whereas the entire colony has become over aggressive and the entire colony would just kill the new queen indeed and unfortunately is best to euthanized the entire colony than take the risk. Other locations with africanized bees, intruding a more docile queen would not work well for that reason.
@TexasBBQ Smokehouse I’m 100% with you on using a flame thrower on spiders - good riddance
I was attacked by a monstrous hunting spider that eats entire fish and birds as its prey. It’s enormous and aggressive and it literally torpedos itself through air and water, swims and dives to hunt the fish beneath water.
I never fathomed that such a creature even existed- much less that it inhabited my area of the world that enjoys a reputation of having zero known or reported predators.
It attacked me out of nowhere. I was minding my own business and swimming in the middle of a placid river in a locale that, as I said, is blessed with a reputation of having no predators. It was a gigantic, swimming spider. It came out of nowhere appearing on the surface of the water less than 2 feet away and lunged at me three times in rapid succession.
As I caught sight of the burgeoning assault from the corner of my eye, before I even had time to doubt my sanity, instinct took over and I reflexively swept my arms forward to create a swell of water in front of me to slow its progress and push it away.
I then swam at a torrid pace to shore. Once ashore, though the adrenaline and trauma was still fresh (that’s PTSD for you - unfortunately many things can trigger panic attacks once you have the underlying condition), I began to full on assume that I had to have hallucinated the encounter. This naturally flowed into me starting to doubt my sanity.
But it seemed so real.
So back at home, I scoured the internet for some sort of confirmation. I was torn between seeking peace of mind to know I wasn’t insane versus peace of mind to know that no such monster inhabited my beloved swimming spot. I leaned toward hoping for insanity.
It turns out that in my area there is such a monster. It was the size of my fist, with legspan extending beyond that. And it hunts with the exact MO as described.
I’d been in this area nearly my whole life. I read the papers. I watch the news. I’m an avid enthusiast of the outdoors. And I talk to people- or, at least I did until the PTSD took its hold.
I never heard of any such a thing. A huge spider that hunts birds and fish and dives and swims underwater. And that hunted ME on that day too. But it’s all true.
@@aabaahgnaarbuulaajaadiijn744 where did this happen?
@@lollygagger9571 so… I left off my location purposely because being a DV survivor I have to be very cautious. But i found a video showing exactly the type of spider. Apparently they are found all over the world. These spiders are technically able to inhabit anywhere wherever there is fresh water. (It doesn’t mean they’ll be in every fresh water body though. I’ve spent every summer since childhood glued to the rivers, lakes and ponds, swimming and playing water sports and neither me nor anyone I’ve ever met or talked to has ever encountered these things. Except for me. That one time.)
Here is the video, as promised, showing this 8-legged demon spawn monstrosity in action: 🤢🤮😭
m.th-cam.com/video/CktmhnWnSJI/w-d-xo.html
In case you are wary of links, you can find it here on YT yourself with a quick search. The video title is “This Terrifying Spider Hunts Fish Underwater” and it’s on the TH-cam channel of The Smithsonian (Museum).
FVCKING YIKES.
Now I’m having flashbacks. Seriously. Pray for me. 🙏.
I wonder if anyone ever made a queen trap. By that, I mean something to kill the first queen to hatch. African drones breed queens that hatch one to two days earlier than American/European drones. Still, killing the hive entire would work. I would use a fire extinguisher. I remember hearing about a person who ran inside. I think it was Arizona. There was a forty degree difference in temperature. All the bees that came in died instantly from the drop in heat.
I love how the other bees were just like "Oh, ignore that, that`s just our crazy neighbours from the orange hive."
Gobra...lolol
Orange hive bad.
@Matt G They are infact africanized
@Daniel Salvador wtf bro leave your gf's social media alone
@Daniel Salvador didnt know instagram had an idiot filter
That chicken is high as hell in that close up. Loving that Benadryl!
lol High as in Heaven
she was straight vibin
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Poor girl, I love barred rocks, they have such strong personalities. I miss mine
If you are in an area that has Africanized bees around, your virgin queens may get africanized genetics from drones in the area. Also swarms will need to be requeened 9/10 times. I had a hive that would attack 100 feet out and would fill your veil with bees. i brought out a pail of soapy water and killed all but 3-4 frames of bees. also killed the queen and all drone brood. put them in a nuc queenless and no open brood for three days and then introduced a gentle queen. they remain gentle 3 years later. I don't tolerate very defensive bees anymore. they are totally unnecessary.
I agree..
My horse was killed by bees 2 months go. He did the right thing. I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy..
It's not worth taking chances with mean bees.
Very informative video, but it is astonishing that people would make racist comments on a video about beekeeping. There are so many people with diseased minds.
@@rassziggy not true
@@jquest43 whats not true? Is it more than one human race????
@Hi Cognitive dissonance . Thank you for demonstrating.
Extremely glad to hear you promoting getting rid of the entire colony, this has been my argument for years. It's extremely unfair on other beekeepers in the area to inflict dangerous genetics on them.
Hi Sarah, one of my concerns here is that we do have beekeepers nearby who won't even discuss their bees or management practices. I couldn't agree with you more :)
Go in and rem9ve the, queen, replace her with a gentle queen and stay away from the hive for 6 mo ths. They will settle down
@camillepalmer9337 guess you didn't watch the entire video.
He speaks directly about why that is not a solution.
Dawn soap + water kills instantly. I’ve watched a guy who had to rid his bees 🐝 as it Eva me ver agressive
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I lost a relative to killer bees. He had bee hives, and one of them became africanized. He was riding his mower and they attacked him. He had a prosthetic leg, and couldn't escape. He was a very kind hearted person, and would never blame the bees.
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I’m so sorry.
My condolences. I’m just curious, your relative was unable to run with his prosthetic leg? Or did the bees swarm him once he inadvertently got too close to the Africanized hive?
@@kitsunefaye1661 He was not very mobile and apparently they overwhelmed him quickly. He was laying beside the mower, barely alive when his wife found him.
@@russelllowry1061 Omigawd. Worst way to go. My condolences. 😳😳😳😳😳😳
One of the most informative well presented bee videos ever. Boy was it ever noticable when you walked in front of that hot hive. This is first hand documentary quality information. Awesome work Fred as always.
Thank you very much Gary, I really appreciate your comment. :)
@@FrederickDunn I knew they was killer bees as normal bees are gentle why can't they not mess with nature hell they got more honey but got aggressive too greetings from UK England near London 🐝🐝🐝😱🐺🐾
I agree absolutely the very best bee and chicken videos!
You are absolutely the best beekeeper .....ever...
I totally agree. Very hard to do, but completely necessary.
The pigs look miserable. Poor piggies.
Totally drowned your voice!!! Scary.
I agree, stop the genetic pattern in the hot bees.
I think the pigs were only their temp until the bees were sorted out!
@@NathanChisholm041 there* (Their = a property or characteristic of someone or something; There = Location)
In a case like this it's important to know the proper use because it changes the meaning of the sentence.
@Filip Nikolic are you suggesting eugenics?
@Filip Nikolic humans are sentient and have feelings and free thoughts. bees are not, they are essentially organic robots.
@@HostileAtHeartShame on you for being so snotty! There is absolutely no need for that here! :(
Thank you for the voice of sanity and reason! There’s so much ‘save the bees’ sentiment nowadays, that it goes too far when it’s a dangerous hive. If you know how to handle bees and conduct yourself around them, then you make an objective, educated assessment and do the right thing before someone gets seriously hurt. Period. No amount of honey is worth getting someone or something hurt or killed.
Great video. Thank you!
Thank you. It's a part of beekeeping that may never be necessary, but I'd like people to be prepared just in case.
Btw : the only bees that need saving are the non domestic ones that are native to this country (like bumblebees)
Not only was he interested in solving their bee issue, he was also very interested in the ladies livestock. He seems like a very wholesome guy.
Thank you :)
I'd feed the brood to the chickens. A little revenge.
Lmao
every hornet king video
Africanized chickens!
🤣 Twisted.
I like. LoL
Chemistry , is still a thing ya know?
as a beekeeper myself, do yourself a favor and get some Fischer’s Bee Quick when you are harvesting the honey. It’s a game changer. Also make sure to wash your suits frequently. Each hive has their own pheromones. As you go from hive to hive they pick up on them and go into attack mode to protect their hives. The Bee Quick will help with that but also washing your suit, hat and gloves frequently will also give you a better experience when harvesting. Thanks for all the videos and good luck!🐝
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Thanks for sharing.
a voice over when the bees were on the defence would have been more beneficial to understand what you were saying.
Sorry Rick, you're right, I did put in CC though ... definitely a lesson learned there.
@@FrederickDunn you should try to watch the video with cc during 12:27 and on... the subtitles are there half the time and are not accurate
I agree with you, but wanted to remind you that you forgot to mention how great this video is.
@@FrederickDunn I turned them on and they never even popped up
@Rick Abrams do you not know how to read?
Thank you for the statement " please do not over sensationalize defensive honey bees" . It is important to recognize that there is a problem with some bee genetics without adopting a panic mentality. It was especially important and educational to see docile hives right next to the defensive hive. It illustrated the behavioral difference in an easily understandable and non-subjective way. I also appreciate the term "defensive" as it does not trigger the over the top reaction as much as africanized, hostile or aggressive. Bees do naturally DEFEND their home. But, it is also important that the bees be good neighbors. Thank you for sharing this situation and presenting your insights in an honest and educational way.
Thank you!
you treat bees the same way you'd treat other animals with bad genetic traits. . You cull the animals affected.
That end talk was awesome. As a beekeeper, I value your knowledge of africanized-bees and sharing how controlling the genetic lineage and behavior from close queen monitoring is important.
Thank you very much!
I was always under the impression that northern states didn't have to worry about Africanized bees due to the winters they get. I hope actual beekeepers aren't as ignorant as I am to this.
They get brought up during the spring as packages from southern States. You're correct, they would not survive the northern winters. We're fortunate in that they can't form feral colonies as they have in several southern locations.
@@FrederickDunn If there are Africanized bees in the US, does that mean that they were brought here from Africa and spread their genes? Or does Africanized just refer to their behavior, becasue ive always wondered what genetic differences make your average bee into an aggresive, Africanized bee.
@@dogshake it seems to be a blanket term to refer to their inbreeding genetics, like how we use inbreed as a word but don't classify the precise genes involved. The breeding makes them africanized and thus a problem for future generations...
At least, by what I understand of how he speaks of it.
@@RWAsur I did a little googling and in the late 1950's, around 25 swarms of lowland African honeybees (which are known for being extremely defensive) escaped, spread, and mated with honeybees all across Europe, where eventually the gene spread into US. Today we mostly refer honeybees with the lowland African gene as "killer bees". Its really crazy how a freak accident can lead to having these "killer bees" all across the world
Chris Pacheco African bees are extremely productive, like two or three times more, someone in South America had the bright idea to have them cross breed with European honeybees to try to get the “make lots of honey” trait minus the “murderous rage at the slightest provocation” trait.
It was all going well til an attendant removed a blocker designed to keep the queens in the hive. The swept north through the south west and now they have spread through the entire southern United States.
So now we have jerk bees.
Bee management means not only keeping bees safe but keeping the people and livestock safe.
I've only recently got into bees, but have some property and have them in a nice quiet place away from people and livestock for that reason. Thankfully it was a good idea, as one of my 2 colonies is rather agressive. I generally see it as a strong genetic trait though, as that colony has been an exemplary honey producer and is doing really well.
I live in Southeast Texas. My grandmother had kept bees for 30 years, but she stopped in the late 1980’s or early 1990’s because she could tell her bees were becoming Africanized because they had become noticeably aggressive and were able to sting right through thick rubber. She had taken a rubber inner tube, when we had such a thing, and had cut it to fit her arm. She had worn the rubber sleeves over the sleeves of her bee suit, and the bees were still able to sting through that. Still, they did not have livestock killed. She gave her colonies to a beekeeper who was more comfortable with them. Many counties in Southern Texas are quarantined, meaning that bees can’t be transported to counties where no Africanized bees have been found.
Hi 👋 there s.j. nice 👍👍😊😊😃
How do the stingers reach through things that thick?
@@angelmartin7310wow.
Hi Mr. Dunn. I live in central Florida and the AHB bees are a real problem here. A few years ago in Labelle, Florida, a very very hot swarm attacked a horse and stung it to death. Autopsy revealed that the horse had over 6 pounds of the bees in his mouth, throat and lungs. These bees are nothing to play with. I always wear a full suit for any removal calls that I get and any hot hives or swarms are totally wiped out to try to prevent northern migration. We have a very in depth inspection program down here and our state inspectors are all top of the line. We have more inspectors than any state in the nation right now. We're also fortunate to have an incredible bee research department at Florida State University, but the point that I want to make is that they are here, it's a very sobering very real threat but I think that as long as the beekeepers band together and communicate with one another, this can be managed. The service that you do is invaluable.
Hi Stan, I'm glad to know that so much work is being done in Florida and that they have increased up their inspection program. It's a time for beekeepers to seriously be prepared as you already know. I understand that Florida received an Africanized bee boost via shipping activity? I am reading some comments from keepers who seem to think that splitting or salvaging these bees is a good solution. I hope they soon realize that it's extremely important to listen to people such as you who are residing in a front line State. Thank you for sharing and of course, for watching my video.
New beekeeper from Miami Springs (learning from a 30 year bee keeper). I am absolutely astounded at how gentle our bees are. Used a swarm trap and set up my first box. You are echoing several items stressed by my mentor. As a newbie (and a paramedic with Fire Rescue) I was stunned to learn about our important roll in stewardship of the wild colonies. Thank you for such an excellent video. It's a keeper.
You are very welcome Jacquie! I'm glad to be apart of your learning process :)
Frederick, I did not know that Africanized Honey Bees (AHB) were in Florida. I am not wanting to over react, in spite of my first question. Is it safe to have honey bees in Florida? The AHB drones can contaminate our good bee stock! Do we have to eliminate all AHB first? And is that even possible? We grow a lot of produce in Florida, particularly south Florida, so we need the pollination. We obviously don't want AHB anywhere near people, livestock or our gentle honey bees. What would you suggest?
Bloody hell! I’ve been terrified bees/wasps etc my whole life until I started watching JPthebeeman recently. I’ve been binge watching his videos and find bees fascinating now. That’s probably why this video was in my recommendations but am I sorry I watched! While I appreciate the “don’t sensationalise” thought I have to say I’m back to being terrified again. I live in Ireland and had never seen a swarm apart from you tube. Now I learn my favourite place in the world, Orlando and Disney has a real problem with bees that attack in serious numbers 😳
Sorry, but that’s scary as sh1t!
I watched a video of another farmer who said he had been keeping bees for decades without an issue. The video he made was well worse than even the bees you showed and he said the same thing. He said it was important to get rid of the genetics because they were just too aggressive and his original intent was to requeen the hive. Many people were angry that he killed the bees. I agree with what he did because allowing them to breed would be irresponsible. Hearing you talk just reinforced my opinion though I don't have any knowledge of beekeeping. I do know someone who kept bees where you could be right next to the hive without issue like you were with the other bees around that nest.
Aggression keeps that species alive.
Yes let’s squash it 😑
@@joejones but do they need it?
yes in some cases, but they could also be killing other things around them.
so if they kill other animals that help spread new flowers around, killing their food sources.
Or killing themselves with just going around being defensive and not actually doing the work they are meant to be doing.
@@joejones The average American honey bee is not aggressive unless they feel under attack. Even as a kid I would follow bees as they traveled flower to flower. I'd even gently pet the bumble bees as they were gathering nectar and I've never been stung. What's killing wild non aggressive bees is loss of habitat, fear, ignorance and africanized bees. The africanized bees are an invasive and even deadly species that don't belong on this continent and the more that's eradicated the better it is for the bees that are meant to be here
@@joejones you're so out of touch with nature, never make a comment on anything involving nature or farming ever again
These bees need to die. Most bees fly away & mind their own business. Africanized bees aggressively attack. I'm trying to figure out where their hive is as I can't go out on my balcony anymore without one or two Aftricanized bees flying right at me to attack & I'm highly allergic to bees.
This is a really worthwhile video for anyone keeping chickens and bees together just so they know what can happen in extreme situations. I've referred it to my fellow beekeepers in the Alameda County Beekeepers Association. I also really like you calm tone throughout this disturbing video. Thanks.
Thank you, Blake :)
Yep I kill the hot hives, (only one so far) I don't mess with requeening. Don't want those hot hives or genetics around my neighborhood. This situation was not even a question, if they harm anyone that didn't mess with the hive then it's thumb down.
Jorge Larson id say you simply introduce a mated queen and it ends the genetics there still.
@@travismiller6282 If the drones are still there, they can mate with another queen from a different hive. Get rid of all of them!
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I’ve dealt with this in northern PA. Had to walk almost a 1/4 mile for them to leave me alone. Still got stung through my suit a couple dozen times. They was monstrously productive but we wasn’t gonna keep it. We made a plan to get rid of them but a bear 🐻 🍯 did it for us. That critter paid dearly for his sweets.
Thank you for sharing that story Frank! Would have been interesting to see that bear on a security or trail cam to see if it even cared.
God bless the bear.
Boy, so sorry for this lady. I completely understand the need to kill the entire hive. We have a responsibility as beekeepers around people to keep calm and gentle bees. Great video Frederick.
I am highly allergic to Bee venom. I watch your videos to learn. When I purchased property in rural Virginia, I had 4 hives (feral) that kept me terrorized. (I am aware that they can smell my fear). I was able to talk to my neighbor, who was a long time resident, and a local bee keeper was able to come and collect the bees, moving them safely to their bee yard. I offered to pay them (because I know how import bees are and I also know that they spent two days clearing the hives) but instead they gave me honey! Now I know this may not be the norm, but I was very grateful. I still walk around with my epi pens in my pocket, but I get to enjoy my trees, and my flowers, and the beauty that surrounds me. I would have been devastated if my husband had killed the hives. It is not the bees fault that I am allergic to them. I am grateful that Mr. Bingham (my wonderful neighbor) goes to church with so many Bee keepers!
Thanks Frederick. I have a hive that has recently gone hot, and stinging livestock and people for no apparent reason. I remembered you doing this video a few years ago, and have used this to determine my course of action. I have also notified the Agriculture Agent of my plan to destroy the hive and the genetics, as I cannot call myself a responsible Beekeeper (and yes, I am registered with the County and State Department of Agriculture) if I were to ignore this hive and unprovoked stinging attacks. Not a 5 Alarm Hot Hive, but certainly a 3.8-4 group of girls. Thanks for your insightful videos and advice. It was a painful decision, but the right action to take. Jay
You can load a garden sprayer with 1 tablespoon per gallon, Dawn Ultra Free and Clear. I wouldn't hesitate to spray them right down if they have become dangerous. I wish you all the best, stay safe.
@@FrederickDunn a very resonable response.....I, on the other hand, would use a flamethrower and petrol....but that's me. ;)
Your voice is so warm, calm and even-toned, any bee that dared to rise up against you would incur the wrath of the hive!
There's always that one building in every apartment complex.........
My building lol
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yes but usually they don't attack like this, I wonder if these are african honey bees and the others were european honey bees as they are different. African Honey Bees are also known as Killer Bees. European Honey Bees which most people have in the USA are not really aggressive. However African Honey Bees also Known as Killer Bees, have managed to be imported into the USA are found out west and some have made its way east in a few colonies.
I'm sad to say our first ever bee colony turned from gentle to unbelievably aggressive over the last few weeks. I feel like such a failure. Today, my husband and I went to check the hive. We knew they were acting aggressive but didn't know how bad it was until this morning. They attacked us the entire time. They dug in the same way they did on your microphone. 😢 They got in under my pant cuffs and stung me repeatedly. They followed me 50 ft. and were relentless. My husband was stung several times as well 45 minutes afterward getting out of his suit. They stung through the heavy gloves and got a few through our thick suits. Thank you for this video. I was considering the queen, but I realize now the entire hive needs to go.😢
I'm sorry! But thank you from the rest of us for choosing to first help the whole beekeeping community and our friendliest bees by making your difficult choice to euthanize.
@@dianneiverglynne You're trying stem the tide, rather learn how to handle them , quite simple really.
It’s crazy soon as you approach the orange and green boxes, the noise got so much louder!
I was attacked by a swarm here in New Mexico, barely made it to the hospital. You did what you needed to do, thank you for explaining why it needed to be handled.
I'm so glad you received medical care in time. Thank you for sharing.
So if they come after you just head to a hospital?
The way she is petting the hen is so loving & calming. I’m sure the poor baby was so scared & confused when the bees attacked her. I’ve always known bees could turn aggressive, but I had no clue of the extent of aggression they’re able to reach!!! It is SHOCKING to me, as a non-bee keeper.
My husband & I are from & live in NC & really want to get & keep bees!! We have around 15 acres way out in the boonies & really appreciate these videos, so if we do decide to get them, we are now VERY aware of this issue & will be a little more prepared!! So, THANK-YOU!!!!!
**nwnjba also has a very informative video. I actually found THIS video in the comment section of nwnjba’s video!!! 🐝
Thank you for taking time to watch and comment. I'm grateful that this event will serve to help you become more aware. This is very VERY rare in the northern U.S.. There were two similar issues in my area during this same timeframe. Nothing like it has happened since.
Same haha I just came from his video also
I have neither the desire nor the means to keep bees, but this was a fascinating video! Great information for everyone, actually.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@FrederickDunn are you related to TH-camr Tammy Dunn
I built up hives to a total of ten colonies with very gentle bees that are easy to work without PPE. A few weeks ago I happened to be working near them when a swarm alighted on an apple tree. I think that some of my bees mingled with that swarm. When I tried to capture it I was stung 15 or so times. The swarm escaped. The next day I had aggressive guard bees come out of one of my hives and attack me. Going 150 ft away and waiting a long time did not make them stop. My guess was that some guard bees from the swarm returned to that hive along with some of my old bees. After a week I was still unable to walk across the yard without having bees come after me. Usually I would have had my young grandchildren with me and that would have been a disaster.
Since it came on suddenly I hoped that my old queen and brood in that hive were ok. So, I got some new queens and split that hive. I left a nuc with only two frames in the location of the defensive hive with the idea that the guard bees would return to that hive that night. The next day there were many bees circling that hive but not the new splits. That night I sealed the hive and carried it away to be destroyed.
After this the split hives as well as my older colonies were back to being gentle again. However, now I will be watching even more closely for overly defensive bees.
Ouch. 15x. I’m basically a big baby in the inside after getting stung once, but trying to keep it cool on the outside. Can hardly imagine the ones COVERED in them.
I watched an English beekeeper channel on his hot hive. He requeened with a virgin queen.
Your explanation as to why the entire hive needs killed makes perfect sense.
HI Barb, I agree with requeening with less aggressive lines, but when they arrive at the "killing" level of defensiveness that's where I draw the line. Thanks for your understanding. :)
As painful it can be I agree with you, Fred. The other issue that I didn't see you mention in your response to Barb was the concern that the drones within this hive could spread the aggressive behavior to other hives.
You do not kill the bees.Use CO2 puthem to sleep.Leit around they will be Good Girls.Kill the Queen she is the Diavol.
You have to kill the drones, to prevent agresive genes spreading too.
People in England just re-queening are destroying the domestication process and they are greedy... take no notice of these guys. They are happy to spread their aggressive genes throughout the bee populations in the UK and do not care about contamination of nearby hives (or people).
When I was a child a swarm of African bees killed my pet dog and monkey in Brazil back in the 1970s. RIP Tom and Jerry
Do you kill them back?
@@ChadDidNothingWrong He has been hunting them down for years... bee by bee.
man had a pet MONKEY
Fantastic, very educational. I know a lot about this subject however the way that you told the story and put it together I’m sure, was a huge help to people who may have already had this experience or will. Plus it shows what a good neighbor and friend you are. They knew who to call when things got “hot”. Nice work.
Thank you so much, I really wanted to present it in a low-key reasonable way so that viewers aren't overly alarmed by the possibilities. Yet, at the same time, try to get the message out that it's a good idea to be prepared for the worst.
@@FrederickDunn That's what they say in the military. Plan for the worst, hope for the best
As a beekeeper in Zimbabwe I have learned to mange the Scutelata bee and it was interesting to see you assess the defensive bees in the video. We keep bees in suburban areas as there are many wild hives in hollow trees in the residential areas in Zimbabwe. As beekeepers in Zimbabwe we provide swarm capture services and educate the community on how to stay safe around our natural but defensive bees. There are some guide lines for managing African bees and it is possible to manage these bees with some risk management. It is not an option for for a small close farm setting but in areas where you are forced to except this bee it can be done with relative safety. All the problems we have encountered are caused by ignorance of how to deal with the African bee.
We manage all our colonies at night we do everything in the dark. Harvest honey and move hives everything is done at night because the bees do not fly far in the dark.
Our protective clothing is completely bee proof. We use double cuffs gators for hands and feet. We use lots of cool smoke. One of the things that you learn is how sensitive bees are to chemicals and odours. All American and European beekeepers would find a course on working African bees very helpful. It makes you a more sensitive and professional beekeeper. The African Scutelata bee demands your respect they have no malicious intentions but through evolutionary pressure have become the most successful invasive species in the history of man. The two main predators of the African bee are man and the African honey badger this is why they are so defensive. Even the big five in African do not mess with the African bee. I am very fond of my bees they are wild and free I respect them and they remind me that I am a thief every time I rob them just as they should . I would love to have saved those wild bees in your video. I have never seen a Varroa mite our bees just rip them up and hive beetles are ejected and imprisoned and literally lifted bodily off the landing board and carried away that I have seen. You have a war on you hands the outcome will be decided by the climate the African bee will keep coming. Only the cold will stop it. I strongly suggest that you learn how to manage these amazing bees you will be happier in the long term.
Thank you for this excellent breakdown of why the colony had to be destroyed. I knew a beekeeper when I was little and we walked around the hives with no problem and I hope to have hives like those. I will try my hand at beekeeping in the near future so thank you for the great information provided in this video.
This was amazing! It breaks my heart to see the livestock affected by this hot hive. Its a sobering reminder what kind of care beekeepers do in order to ensure the safety of their bees and other livestock.
That is why i always buy F0 honey bees from the Alps (i live in EU). These are bread in the high lands and valleys so that no other species are around. That way you can get pure genetics and select good populations for further breeding. My bees are the friendliest in town :D. I never use smoke and most of the time you do not even need the ware a suit. They are chill and as long the weather is nice that are just fine with me helping them out.
@Dram Toet Open breed in Arkansas and you will never need a suite, in fact I don’t own one and never will with almost 2 dozen monster hives. I use smoke as it is the correct way to handle bees.less stress on the bees using smoke
In which country do you reside?
The southern states of America are experiencing an influx of African killer bees which you are not experiencing there.
Why do they transform into bread in the high lands
@@Retrenorium 😂👍
And they already said it: When in the high lands or valleys they turn into bread so that no other species are around. I assume bees don't like bread and it's a strategic defense reaction. (Bread can be really powerful when it is thorough.)
I grew up with bees my grandpa had in Tennessee, and never had a problem. Now after I got out of the Marines I met my wife in Italy and I am starting my own apiary this February and African bees are everywhere in Sicily. So this is something I will have to pay attention to. Great video!
I'm guessing that you're in Sigonella? Or is that where you met your wife? I wish you all the best in beekeeping! I lived in Gaeta for 3 years :)
@@FrederickDunn I was in Sigonella for 9 months going back and forth to Africa where my wife is from Sicily was my translator. And thank you it's been a few years but we're going to give it another try and see what kind of honey turns out and hopefully open a small business here.
@@rexogle2821 That's fantastic! I hope you'll keep us posted regarding your progress there :)
Very good. There are people that I have watched on utube that take the hive home with them. They prefer working with them because they are good honey producers. They need to watch your video.
I know many people who just re queen, but I totally agree with you. The drones need to go to.
That works if it's just a hard hive to manage. If it's a dangerous hive, one acting as aggressive as these by killing other animals and attacking anything that comes into the yard etc, it will Not work. A beekeeper I was watching tried that first and failed miserably. He killed the Queen, waited a day or two, offered a new Queen in a Queen protector for her safety, did everything "right". The aggressive bees ended up killing her and making their own aggressive Queen!! He had to kill the whole hive before they spread to his other hives. Difficult and dangerous require different tactics sadly.
@@TheBellmare you should open up a shelter for aggressive beehives and put them all in your garden
@@TheBellmare in this case you're wrong perhaps what's further from people and other animals but at this point this hive is a danger to humans and other livestock it is unacceptable and a responsible to leave it so that it could hurt someone and your attitude is a responsible I hope you don't have these for the safety of those around you
I agree..
My horse was killed by bees 2 months go. He did the right thing. I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy..
It's not worth taking chances with mean bees.
I agree that's a good thing to get rid of those mean nasties. They can keep on spreading. we've been naturally selecting animals for about 100,000 years.
he is so calm and soft spoken. i can listen to him talk all day
I am a bee farmer from South Africa. Every Thursday my brother and I transport 50 swarms Across country . Now with the lock down and all the lights from the police . They don't make us stop for long ...
That's one way to get it done
Ek moet 'n byekorf in my kar installeer.
Ek was i byeboer in sa maar nou boer ek bye in nz
what? I read this comment three times and it makes zero sense
They buzz off ...
Thank you, Mr. Dunn, another exceptionally well made and informative video. I concur with your philosophy of removing the aggressive strain completely. This outcome could have been so much worse had there been children in the area when the bees attacked the farm animals. This topic was actually brought up at a bee meeting and you do need to be prepared to take drastic measures in unusual situations like this. I have ten hives, three in an urban setting and pray this doesn't happen to any of my hives. Your closing comments were spot on, thanks again. Atlanta, GA
Thank you so much for such a wonderful comment. There is a very dangerous practice some beekeepers have of sharing that "real beekeepers don't wear suits" (';')... ok, until you really need one. I'm so glad your beekeeper's association is talking about potential events such as this.
I agree..
My horse was killed by bees 2 months go. He did the right thing. I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy..
It's not worth taking chances with mean bees.
I'm a beekeeper in South Africa. Our bees are mostly super aggressive. I no longer live on a farm so I'm not currently keeping bees as I've seen what can happen when a hive goes on the attack. I'm expecting to emigrate to the USA late next year and I'm really looking forward to being able to have a hive or two in the garden. One thing I've never seen or heard of is a hive taking out another hive, not sure that happens but he rest of what you said all makes sense
From what he said I think you haven't really heard of that because you don't have docile hives there for others to take over, and also probably just because thats not normal bee behavior it seems but just done by these crossbreeds
Wow! Rogue Bees! Very professionally handled Mr Dunn!
Thank you!
What did you do?! Or *not* do ;)
I love bees but know very little about them. I was searching for answers regarding bees because there was a colony near my house. I’m in an HOA community and was told to call a beekeeper vs them. He came last night and collected the bees. I was absolutely fascinated by the behavior. And now I want to learn everything about them. My point is, thank you for taking the time to film and post your videos. You are a amazing! Thank you!
It's amazing to see them hone in on just the wind protector on the camera. Shows how they've learned to recognize anything with fur as a threat.
Yes, the combination of fur and being black definitely gets their attention :)
Just wondered if these bees attack the other hives. I'm surprised a hot hive can be so close to non hot ones.
Hold Fast Yes, me too🤔
Non-hot will probably still defend fiercely against aggressing hives. But it might also be due to what he explained, that they aggress once they move out and need a new place. There's no need in attacking otherwise. I guess they are - luckily - not so advanced in their strategizing that they aggress based on resource availability. Or if they do, then their competitors are very hostile, too.
Dunno, maybe Africanized bees merely have a lower threshold to becoming aggressive but are not really any more peak-aggressive than a pissed off European hive.
Dowlphwin I was thinking the same. Thanks for your answer😁
What a great explanation of how bee hives work, and get switched to HOT. My mom used to raise bees and I really like the normal bees but I’m not gonna allow any rogue hot bees around. Thanks for the info
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Mr Dunn. I did like your calm voice. When I watched the tape I said to my husband that all of that africanised hive has to destroyed. I'd go as far as destroying the honey. Big cry if you have lot of hives. My husband tells me it was over kill. As far as I was concerned kill all bees pulled hive apart and scrub down all the parts and pour boiling water over them in a tub, 5 minutes remove and hang into a string bag on the line to dry. Hose all the bags down. Leave to dry if fine weather. No more Africans. Not a one but ever watchful. Thanks again🎉🎉
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Loved all your information , been around bees for 70 yrs and you have made it so plain thanks
Thank you for a great video. We live in South Africa, Western Cape and we have 2 types of bees on the farm, the Cape honey bee and the African honey bee and for us this kind of behaviour from our bee hives are normal and we can not work our bees without protective clothing, I am envious when I see the good calm nature of your bees. Thank for your videos we learn a lot from them.
Thank you so much, it's great to be in contact with people on the other side of the world :)
Can you not keep European bees on your farm in Africa?
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I would assume (not a beekeeper here) that even if you were to introduce a calmer strain from another part of the world they would quickly become africanised due to contact with native bees.
@@holypaladin4657 Diligent effort can do the trick.
Although whether the fact they are less productive will help ... probably not. Depends on the overall attitude being cultivated in the country. ... The ANC call themselves socialist, but I doubt they would promote anticapitalism in this matter, hah. ... They are quite aggressive.
Your point about we needing to keep tame bees in order to keep the angry bee genes stamped down is spot on. I had not thought about that aspect of it. More good genes equals the bed genes getting watered down.
Mr. Dunn, I am a beginner who enjoys learning about bees. I want to thank you for a clear and well explained detailing of what transpired with this hot hive. Yes, it is unfortunate to lose that stock, but your explanation made it clear why it was necessary. I’m leaving with a belief that that action was taken because they cared for their entire stock. I hope everything continues to be well for them.
That hive is basically the bee equivalent of Twitter.
Wow.. you are right.........
I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing this as an analogy for the bigger picture, that’s a reality for our country.
Interesting.
Only if you buy the propaganda. Twitter is allowing free speech. The fact people see free speech as dangerous is the real danger
WOW THIS IS SO INFORMATIVE MY NEIGHBOR HAS BEES AND THEY ALWAYS COME IN MY FLOWER GARDENS NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THEM WHEN I'M OUTSIDE DOING WHATEVER.DID NOT KNOW THEY COULD BE DIFFERENT GENETIC MARKERS THAT COULD AFFECT THEIR BEHAVIOR.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO..PEACE FROM CANADA...STAY SAFE.
I am a novice beekeeper in NW Arkansas. We lost our bees last year shortly after a neighbor sprayed a cattle pasture with a herbicide.
This spring to our amazement the stack of empty hives were suddenly filled with an enormous number of bees. And these bees are agressive. If you stand 20 feet from the hive they begin to swarm around you. Our bee suits aren't good enough.
But man are they productive. The hives are filling with comb like lightening.
Our Italian bees are calm and have nowhere near the vigor.
These are probably African bees. I am going to get them examined by an expert.
Peter Johnson English bee-keepers complain about the aggressive Italians! (and they can be lol). I have heard of a swarm of classical English bees being found in the spire of a church in Northumberland: perhaps something may come of this
@@ChiDraconis Dude! I have no idea what you just said!
MrPanzerblitz I thought it was me lol - couldn’t really make sense either.
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Okay folks I will delete the post
@Peter Johnson, how did it turn out?
Sony camera: **exists**
Bees: and I took that personally
I discovered a colony of Africanized honey bees that had had moved into a hollowed out oak stump on my homestead. I’ve encountered honey bees before in the wild but these bees were in a completely different class. I was clearing out some underbrush that day, temp was around 95 degrees. At the time, I wasn’t aware that the colony was around 75’ from where I had been working. I soon found out quick where they were when I had fell a tree in their direction. It was like an explosion of bees, nothing that I have ever encountered in my life. They were attacking the tree that I fell, the chainsaw, the gas can, anything that was near the vicinity of the hive. I managed to escape with sheer luck only because my 4 wheeler was near by. I was stung about 10 times while driving away. It was like a scene in a horror movie and I was the main actor. I called a local beekeeper who specializes in removal of these bees. He came over and spoke to me about the procedure but required my assistance. We put on some protective gear and headed back to the hive on foot. A couple of days has passed since the first encounter and the bees were still swarming. The method he used was crude but very effective...a couple of chemical insecticide foggers throw at the base of the hive and wait. Once the mass majority of the bees were dead. He went in to locate the queen to make sure she was dispatched.
Hi Eric, thank you for sharing your story and I'm glad you were ok in the end. I hope sample bees were collected and sent off for evaluation so it would be known to what percentage those genetice were of the African line... interesting story!
Frederick Dunn the queen was removed and the beekeeper sent it off for testing. They traced the lineage back to bees from south Texas.
Excellent video. As a beekeeper in SoCal I can totally relate. Re-queening here is almost a constant to prevent any of my hives from producing their own. I keep bees in a major city and cannot tolerate aggressive bees even if their honey output is better.
Turned on Captions hoping to get what he was saying but wouldn't have been surprised if it just "Angry buzzing"
I am from South Africa and can say that I have worked with bees that if you had to come into a hundred feet the bees will start to attack you and if you get close to the hive they start covering you.. If you take of honey you need someone to help with smoking regularly. Every disterbance you make to the hive the bees become more aggresive you could be covered with bees in seconds. If I had to open the brooding section you are looking for trouble. You cant take the risk to keep bees in your neighbourhood. Everyone in the surrounds are at risk. Another thing is a young colony wont be so aggressive, but as they grow in number you start having problems. This however is not for all bee colonys some are more docile than others. Note to never bother the bees on a rainy day. Most bees will then be in the hive and not working the field and there will be more bees to attack. Also when it is a very hot day for there will be more bees busy fanning to try and keep the temperature down and are easily irritated. These aggressive colonys are usualy very productive, but should be kept away from live stock and places where there are people
People as myself that are entertaining the thought of beekeeping via the Honeyflow system put up a huge cautionary flag. Thank you for presenting this information with calmness and level headedness. More to ponder before jumping into this "side hobby".
First I got to say I am very amazed at the folks being so critical of the noise from the bees. First off hearing that kind of buzz is a huge learning experience. Any beekeeper knows that the sound of the bees tells you a great deal especially of their mood. It is not just the amount of noise they make but the buzz changes, Just like when you smoke the hive. Mr Dunn, from one B keeper to another Great video. I have only one hive and yes it is REGISTERED! Nothing better than having professionals to come out and check your hives from everything to disease to becoming africanized as this is what keeps our bees in good harmony with the environment and to boot its a free service. I know I tend to overreact at times but to those that do keep hot africanized bees. One day your ignorance is going to get someone killed or even a child because a local Beekeepers hive was contaminated by the genetics of your stupidity and ignorance. Which, If I recall is how we ended up with the issue of having africanized and killer bees here in the first place. Other than what us beekeepers do to get honey and resources we do this to also fight the on going ignorance of things like pesticides used by people, city, state and even some farms that are killing off our honey bees. In my opinion and yes it is just my opinion, people that keep hot africanized hives are totally going against the morals and ethics of what a TRUE beekeeper is trying to do. It's not just for honey and resources its for our world. I think for those that are doing it just for honey and production should not even be keeping honey bees period. Argue this all you want I don't care. Right is right and wrong is wrong I don't care who you are. Sorry for the rant it just pisses me off that some folks out there just like some Nurses and teachers that are in it for the money only and not for the future of our kids. Well, we see how that turned out right. Any how, Mr Dunn I thank you for the video and the education as this is one of my biggest fears of happening to my hive. Now I know a little more which is a fantastic thing Buzzing or not lol.
PS: Just for note of those being so judgemental of the sound and the video keep this in mind. You are not telling others anything new about Mr Dunn or how Mr Dunn does his videos. You are not even telling Mr Dunn anything new that he does not already know himself but what you have done is told the entire world a whole shit load about yourself. Something to keep in mind the next time you want to nitpick and be criticizing of someone else's work over some stupid shit instead of the important things that matter.
Now Off my soap box. Peace Beekeepers!
I'd love to have a bee hive for my garden but being in AZ, it is too dangerous. Even my local honey makers put their hives miles away from people - it is too dangerous to have bees too close to people. The English honey bee has no chance with the African killer bee but some have had some luck with the Italian honey bee against the killer bee. However, just too scary here.
That's too bad Nicole, I've heard about the Arizona feral colonies being taken over almost exclusively by these highly defensive hybrids. I wonder how the commercial beekeepers handle it?
@@FrederickDunn Here is our guy in Tuscon that makes honey from his killer bee hives and explains what he does.
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I've heard about AZ bee keepers. One guy explained his process to me and I kept thinking you're out there running from bees after harvesting etc so you have less bees to kill in your car when you get in it with all those layers on in 115 degree heat?? I thought him nuts. Said his hives was "making bank."
@@nicoleh.9898 thank you very much for the link to that video that was a very informative and interesting video. People that are under educated about a subject are afraid of that subject knowledge is definitely power thank you again!
I assume the Italian honey bee keeps other hives in check by mobbing them and collecting protection honey.
Fantastic Fred! Very well put together presentation. I can understand novice bee keepers panicking. Thank you!
Thanks John! I'm always happy to help others out when I have the time :)
John Mcneill I’m panicking just watching this
That was so scary. Those poor people and animals. Thanks for sharing, I watched another video and they said to use dawn or any degreaser soap in 5 gallons of water. Seal off and pour down all through.
They "could" do that, but properly bagged hives die fast and there is no clean up save for removal of the dead bees. Not every apiary has soap and water handy, but it's easy to have an emergency kit of heavy black plastic bags and packaging tape. Water/soap inside the hive requires rinsing and clean up as the soap residue isn't good for re-occupation. A suffocated colony can be put back into use right away after brood and dead bees are removed. I try to show methods that could be used anywhere without utility resources. You can back a hive that is actively attacking. Soap and water require some preparation and setup time.
I think I just saw the same video before this one was recommended lol I prefer that method, much quicker. The people that owned these bees said it took so long. Makes me sad to think of them slowly suffocating, whereas those bees with soap were dead instantly. All it needed then was a light hose off he said. I'd rather bees suffer less, than give myself a little work to do cleaning up.
@@angeloddrev Bees don't care how much you suffer.
This is incredibly informative. You did a great job handling the bees and teaching people on some of the science people need to understand to safely run an apiary.
Thank you very much! :)
Thank you sir for being so responsible and for teaching others. I see communities like the one on Reddit where they talk about requeening a lot with aggressive hives but they and they seem to not take kindly to euthanizing an entire hive. But it seems clear to me from everything you've said that to keep the genes out of our bee pool the entire hive needs to be euthanized.
I dont know bees at all and this video made me aware of consequences a hot hive would have on not only your hive but it keeps the genes spreding .... very good video keep it up :)
Thank you.
Bees that "chase" someone are not "defensive." They're offensive/aggressive.
The best defense is a good offense
Communism Sucks I mean that’s not wrong but they gotta go
Not really, bees don't hunt, and they certainly aren't seeking out prey. They just have a much wider radius at which they will attack, and are more likely to do so
@Charles White With a guy who gets a wrong look and attacks - maybe it could be seen as either defensive or offensive. Practically, it makes no difference, but theoretically - maybe some attack because they enjoy to fight - while some have an insecurity that they've learned to compensate for by being very aggressive.
I have a dog that if someone appears suddenly to her say 50 to 100 feet away she will start barking and run towards them. She'll stop 20 feet out, keep barking while slowly approaching all the while giving more mixed signals before finally being super friendly once making contact.
POINT IS - I've always wondered how I characterize this behavior - I genuinely think it's defensive - at the root at least - that she's physically insecure - but I don't know - it's interesting.
Says the bee expert
Thank you for taking away some of the stigma that African or Africanized bees carry. Do you ever use degreasing dish soap in water to exterminate hot hives? It looked very effective and the equipment could still be used after rinsing thoroughly. I enjoyed watching your work and would like to see more! Keep it coming, bee whisperer!
You can use dish soap, specifically Dawn Ultra Free and Clear. But you'll have to use copius amounts of fresh water on all interior frames and surfaces to make it suitable again for the bees.
They said that they used a plastic bag to suffocate the hive.
Couldn't the bees make an escape hole with their stingers? What thickness of plastic is required?
@@peter_waldo3715There is not instinct to use stingers (which they can only use once and die) to make holes in anything; they’re purely for defense.
Im really glad we live here in New Zealand where this is not an issue, my children's school has a vege garden, orchard and beehive. I don't imagine that would be possible in some of the southern states where the AHB are an issue. Thank you for being so informative and being sure to give facts and not glorifying beekeeping at all costs.
Absolutely interesting video. I love how calmly you conducted yourself, you seem very nice. Look forward to seeing more!
Thank you so much!
Bees are a necessary part of the environment. Besides providing honey bees also pollinate a large number of plants, including plants that provide us food. However since Africanized Bees are now part of the environment there is this important matter of maintaining bee hives with bees that are not aggressive and dangerous. This is a good video on controlling these Africanized Bees.
It was cool to see how passive most of the bees were. But the level of DEPLOYMENT from that orange box was horrifying! So glad I'm not actually allergic but 50+ stings? YIKES! Yeah, the more aggressive bees would likely take over the hives of the passive ones eventually. Remove the genes. I LOVE my chickens, and your hogs are adorable. So sad to see them hurt!
There have been bees in my family for 2 generations.
I really enjoyed your explanation and your professionalism in explaining hot hives. You are a real beekeeper.
Thank you Bruno!
They are no joke! I lived in Arizona for 10 years and every year the news reported attacks that killed people and pets. I lived in a neighborhood that ended up with a swarm of many thousands and a professional beekeeper had to come and euthanize the swarm so no one would be in danger. So sad that Africanized bees were brought here and that they often need to be dealt with in a negative way, especially with the bee crisis worldwide.
Thanks as always for the in depth focus on the subject. I like your prior QA format but this was a great learning opportunity to share too. Admire your calm and trust in your equipment. I have no bees yet and no prior experience with a hot hive, but there was a kind of species-level response to listening to the rage of that colony. My adrenaline is still up just from the sound!
Thanks so much Aaron!
Awww. The hogs are so sad! They should be up and running around. Poor things!
I know! And their noses are so cute! Poor hogs! I wanted to pat their ears.
Fred... thanks for being such a cool youtube channel! I want bees of my own one day and I've learned so much from your videos over the past year. You're a class act, keep it up.
Hi Dominic, thanks for watching and commenting. I really appreciate the compliment!
Ran into africanized wild bees cleaning out at tank with a dozer, they were in the hollow of a willow tree. Luckily was surrounded by lots of farmland. I set the dozer on a crawl and abandoned ship. The bees chased the dozer at least a 1/4 mile before it got stuck against an old fence line that was grown up with big trees and stayed with it for 2 days until it ran out of diesel. Came back with bee suits and a half dozen cans of wasp spray, turns out it works on bees too.
I'm glad you're ok after all of that. Wow, what an experience.
thank you Mr. Dunn,
Over defensive bees are a problem we had to deal with over the years. I don't advocate killing bees but at times it seems to be the only solution. Nit-rile gloves under the leather gloves will stop a stinger from delivering the venom. Were in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mtn. range and with the pollinators bringing their bees to almonds has increased our "defensive" bee problem.
Good video, thank you!
I'm a retired nurse, have been thinking about bees a long time. I have 29 acres next to a forest, and planned on trying to catch wild bees. This is only info I could find on aggressive bees other than old newspaper clippings and old SNL skits. Thanks
Hi Jesse, I hope you do end up keeping bees, sounds like you are perfectly situated environmentally!
This is probably the most I've ever learned about honey bees. It's pretty dramatic and could have been infinitely more tragic had you not helped and had the owners not have the presence of mind to contact you. I find you to be very pleasing to listen to and I didn't want the video to end. I was learning so much especially about genetics seeping in and changing the hive to such a dangerous level. Remaining calm is always a good policy.
I know absolutely nothing about the world of bee keeping but I find all your videos to be very informative and interesting! Thank you
Thank you so much :) What a nice comment :)
@@FrederickDunn you’re most welcome. Keep up the good work ❤️
Another great video! Put on subtitles. Thank you Mr Dunn. Every video I see from you reminds me why I subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you for the education! I've watched other videos on aggressive bees, but yours is by far the best if you want to learn something. I think I'm not going to mess with any bees that are that way. Thanks again for your wisdom. GOD Bless 😇.
Wow, thanks!
I just had the opportunity to view this. Thanks for a wealth of information.
THIS is EXCELLENT! Mr Dunn, your channel is always full of surprises and this is extremely valuable information. You are always so calm and I'm sure that's comforting. I really enjoyed watching this video!
Thanks Macro, always great to see your comments!
I loved this video and found it so positively informationally full. I also find your presence very soothing and comforting as I go into my journey into bee keeping. Thank you for sharing this educational and informative video.
I’m not ready to lose hives to pest, or a hot hive but knowing you have to make the conscious decision to do what’s best for the bees in our future makes me sure I should get into bee keeping. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Really glad you put closed captioning on the video while the hive was going ballistic.
I've been watching a lot of videos about bees lately and this is one of the more informative videos I've seen yet. I'm pretty well spooked by them because I have a rare skin condition and am not sure how I would react to being stung (35 years old and have yet to be stung--because I run like a little wimp when one gets close to me, haha). My going down this bee video rabbit hole has been an attempt to assuage my ever-so likely irrational fear; heightened due to recently moving to a place that has a lot more flying around than I'm used to. This video has helped a lot, particularly with you outlining the fact that there are different levels of aggressiveness between different strains of honey bees. Additionally, I'm bothered that this video has ANY dislikes. Thank you for your work and the insight.
Thank you Matt :)
As a paid professional firefighter our policy for handling such a hive in an emergency was to suit up in our bunkers and air packs then do a rain drop effect with fire fighting foam from our 1-1/2” hoses knocking the bees out of the air. Then washing off people first and animals second. The foam is a surfactant breaking the water surface tension allowing the water to knock the bees down and drown them. We found it to be very effective. Liquid dish soap does the same thing. Food for thought.
My bag method allows the owners to still harvest the honey after. I don't think AFFF is necessary unless there was a major bee event in progress.
Thank you for posting this video, this happened to me yesterday. It was incredibly traumatic, it’s so important to share this information.
Thank you, I'm so glad it was helpful. Stay safe.
Excellent video, and completely necessary in my humble opinion. Thank you for taking the time to document, and most important explain your reasoning. I learned a lot!
Glad it was helpful!