I didn't think it was possible to be angrier about this issue but here we are. I am ashamed to be Australian. This is why we need to push back against birth certificates being reissued and trans women being given a passport that says "woman". There are certain situations in the world where the truth matters, identification documents are one of them.
Oh lordy, there are so many things going through my mind and I could say.... or suggest. I agree that birth certificates should not be altered. Changing name by deed poll is possible of course. Perhaps people with dsds could eg once puberty kicks in or whenever it comes to light, apply if they wished, with eg dna testing, to change it.(I'm open to further points there). Regards driving licences and passports, with the holographic tech (passports) It could have, at each agency's data held on the person/all of us, the actual birth sex and name along with other info eg new/ name without revealing birth sex actually on the licence or passport. I can imagine meetings with gov depts and trans lobbyists discussing all the parameters to have their 'identity' markers hidden. There was a part of me that was supportive of people with 'gender dysphoria' but that has waned with all the issues impacting on female's rights now.
i cant see how this ruling is going to be overturned or see some new legislation being brough in to change it. the damage is already done i fear and women's safe space no longer exist in Australia as of now. i hope im wrong .
@@biancawilloughby9980 Running out of steam with anything approaching a cogent argument? Here are a few more suggestions for everyone to ignore if you're struggling:- Transphobe.. Weirdo ..Nazi....Pedo the list goes on. Happy to help 😊
@richardshortall5987 because gender identity has a basis in neuroscience. Helen is an economist and a feminist. Neither have anything to with trans issues.
More on behavior of "Roxy Tickle" types towards their families, ex-wives, children they fathered: Lime Soda Films yt chan, premier Friday, Aug 30 (7pm BST, 2pm EST) Behind the Looking Glass, a documentary on trans widows. Data on trans widows at channel in the handle name here. It's real, it's exactly as odious and disturbed as you might imagine.
Now the cat is out of the bag at the BMA; since the TRAs are so good at "taking names", maybe some intrepid journalist could tell us who organized the opposition to the Cass Report? That is the source of the rot...
one thing it's important to mention is that the Australian WOMAN Sally Grover had to pay for her legal expenses (over half million dollar) and the "the other part" had the legal expenses paid by tax payers. This whole circus is absolutely unacceptable.
@paulrout Not sure where you're coming from here. Large numbers of the BMA's membership resigned in protest at the actions of the constitutional committee, in taking a private vote to oppose the Cass review, without consulting their members. The committee are entrusted to conduct ballots on a clinical, not a political basis.
“Why did he bring the case?” Might he just be a grifter looking for a pay out and free legal representation, no win no fee type deal. My understanding is he hasn’t to put his own money in to pursue this case, unlike Sal Grover. It’s not even like he used the site before he got kicked off according to one interview I saw with Sal Grover who said “ he just wanted to swap recipie etc with women but he hadn’t been doing that before he was kicked off the site” Got grifter written all over it in my opinion, wouldn’t surprise me if after someone likes this, if they win a big pay out, they won’t be “gender confused” in 12 months time and would be a plain old man (just like they are now, even if they are wearing a dress). Biology doesn’t lie.
I wouldn't wish to contradict Helen Joyce - she's a hero - but my understanding of UK law is that it's only better than Oz law in this regard because UK law has the Gender Recognition Act. The fairly recently Haldane judgment - that For Women Scotland took to court - ruled that a man with a GRC is a woman for 'all purposes'. Presumably, this means that the few thousand men with a GRC in the UK *are* treated as women under the Equality Act, and that the single sex exemption would not apply to them. So, if Roxy Tickle had a UK GRC, and Giggle was a UK app, the law would apply exactly here as it does in Oz. The Oz law is based on self-ID, as I understand it, which means that a man doesn't even need a GRC to invade women's spaces. Sex Matters - of which Helen is a director - is still trying to get the Equality Act clarified so that sex means sex (and not gender identity). Until this happens, British men like Roxy, who want to spoil women-only spaces, are legally protected in doing so, so long as they have a GRC. Someone please tell me if I have this all wrong.
You've gone into a fair bit of detail laying this out, so I expect you probably know significantly more than me about the law on this in Australia versus the UK, so take whatever I say with a huge pinch of salt, but: Doesn't a lot of it come down to the individual judge and how they themselves interprit a specific case and the laws surrounding it, depending on the country? We've had a couple of court cases in the UK relating to gender identities (delusional men trying to impose their nonsensical identities on women), and in most of them the law has thankfully sided with the women. Essentially saying that they have every righ to be gender critical and that this is a protected belief. The thing that was so shocking to me was the Australian judge saying that 'sex is changable' or something a long those lines... What?!
The Australian Sex Discrimination Act was amended in 2013 to include the term gender identity and remove the definitions of male and female. Sally Grover is arguing that this is wrong and will be part of the appeal process. The changes to this Act were made by our first female Prime Minister (famous for her mysoginy speech in parliament) and Australians were not informed of these changes nor voted or agreed to them.
The GRC still excluded males from female only spaces. If there was anything different in Scotland, it will be because the laws in Scotland can be different to those in England and Wales.
I love Sex Matters and Helen but can’t listen to Julia talking for 99% of the interview! I understand Sex Matters has to be seen so no blame, no shame on your part. ❤🇬🇧❌❌
Everyone watching this video should do some research and proper study of the subject. Otherwise it's an echo chamber and confirmation bias. Just because you agree with a social media influencer doesn't make it true. Go and find out ftom external credible independent sources. Then have an informed opinion, not a biased misinformed opinion.
@@Michelle-Davis Presumably you would understand that not everyone agrees with you. HJ is far from being a lone voice. "Transwomen are women " is just a claim. Nobody has yet been able to explain what they mean by that claim. What type of women? Are they women all the time or just in public? Do they stop being women when they require sex dependent medical care? What happens if some bloke tries to chat them up. Do they put him in the picture? You can see why the public are confused with so many perplexing questions.
It's just men and women. Don't put labels on people. Wearing a wig and makeup doesn't turn a man into a woman., just as wearing blackface doesn't make you a person of color.
i am NOT a cis woman, my husband is NOT a cis man. i refuse to be a subset in my own sex category. there is only MAN or WOMAN. pretenders are no longer welcome.
Sall Grover is a hero
Sall Grover is a loser and a bigot. She lost because she was breaking the law.
@@RealFarknMcCoyThe law's an ass.
You can’t win an argument against the insane
How true
You mean Helen is insane. Some of the things dhe claims are blatantly not true.
@@michelledavis2604 Exactly what thing ?
@@haitch2676 are you insane?
@@haitch2676 some people do not like biological facts because they believe feelings matter more
I didn't think it was possible to be angrier about this issue but here we are. I am ashamed to be Australian.
This is why we need to push back against birth certificates being reissued and trans women being given a passport that says "woman". There are certain situations in the world where the truth matters, identification documents are one of them.
Oh lordy, there are so many things going through my mind and I could say.... or suggest. I agree that birth certificates should not be altered. Changing name by deed poll is possible of course. Perhaps people with dsds could eg once puberty kicks in or whenever it comes to light, apply if they wished, with eg dna testing, to change it.(I'm open to further points there). Regards driving licences and passports, with the holographic tech (passports) It could have, at each agency's data held on the person/all of us, the actual birth sex and name along with other info eg new/ name without revealing birth sex actually on the licence or passport.
I can imagine meetings with gov depts and trans lobbyists discussing all the parameters to have their 'identity' markers hidden.
There was a part of me that was supportive of people with 'gender dysphoria' but that has waned with all the issues impacting on female's rights now.
Suck it up princess lol
i cant see how this ruling is going to be overturned or see some new legislation being brough in to change it. the damage is already done i fear and women's safe space no longer exist in Australia as of now. i hope im wrong .
changing a birth certificate is ludicrous.
Truth is a subjective, ideological belief.
It’s just great that you always have such informed and intelligent guests on your show. Dublin listener.
What the same two bigots Helen Joyce and Kelly Jay 🤣
@@biancawilloughby9980 Running out of steam with anything approaching a cogent
argument?
Here are a few more suggestions for everyone to ignore if you're struggling:-
Transphobe.. Weirdo ..Nazi....Pedo
the list goes on.
Happy to help 😊
Who, where?
@@Michelle-Davis Who, where what?
@@GrahamBorland-cz8cx who is the informed and intelligent guest?
Those people have taken the HYPOCRITIC oath
Helen Joyce for Queen of the world.
No, that is Kellie Jay Keen! But respect for Helen Joyce.
Helen is your cult leader
@richardshortall5987 are you saying neuroscience is a cult?
I've not said anything in support of miss tickle.
@richardshortall5987 because gender identity has a basis in neuroscience.
Helen is an economist and a feminist. Neither have anything to with trans issues.
@richardshortall5987
No it doesn't isn't an argument.
Up is down, down is up...absurd.
More on behavior of "Roxy Tickle" types towards their families, ex-wives, children they fathered: Lime Soda Films yt chan, premier Friday, Aug 30 (7pm BST, 2pm EST) Behind the Looking Glass, a documentary on trans widows. Data on trans widows at channel in the handle name here. It's real, it's exactly as odious and disturbed as you might imagine.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Brava for wading into the shite for us normals.
Cool, give it your best shot.
No such thing as normal.
Australia has dropped the ball here. My country is woke as now💩😈
Julia Gillard change the sex discrimination act to include trans women and that has a huge impact on the outcome of this court case.
@@ChibbiYumi Disgraceful
Now the cat is out of the bag at the BMA; since the TRAs are so good at "taking names", maybe some intrepid journalist could tell us who organized the opposition to the Cass Report? That is the source of the rot...
one thing it's important to mention is that the Australian WOMAN Sally Grover had to pay for her legal expenses (over half million dollar) and the "the other part" had the legal expenses paid by tax payers. This whole circus is absolutely unacceptable.
These doctors have resigned because they’re embarrassed of what they’ve been doing
They have been given an out...and have taken it. Quite telling
@paulrout
Not sure where you're coming from here.
Large numbers of the BMA's membership resigned in protest at the actions of the constitutional committee, in taking a private vote to oppose the Cass review, without consulting their members.
The committee are entrusted to conduct ballots on a clinical, not a political basis.
They're not embarrassed. They're getting out before they're held accountable for what they've done to people including children.
Great lm identifying 30 years younger. And want the government to pay my transition
Identify as a pensioner a few days a week, as well, and claim SRP pro rata as a bit of extra income!
@@carltaylor6452 why not have two identities get double the pension
@@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894 transition how?
@@michelledavis2604 By having a deeply held inner feeling that you are 30 years younger.
Job done......simple!
@GrahamBorland-cz8cx what's the scientific basis for that?
He should have been called Tess Tickle
@@ApacheMagic that would be Tess Tickles; he has two. 😜😂😂😂
What planet is TICKLE ON? Men are from Mars and women from Venus
Woman think with their head
Men think with their penis.
And anyone else is from Uranus.
Dr. Jordan Peterson: ‘Ideologues know they are lying but eventually believe their own lies.’
That would be Helen joyce and her cohorts.
Why? Roxy originally hoped for $200 000 in damages .....
“Why did he bring the case?”
Might he just be a grifter looking for a pay out and free legal representation, no win no fee type deal. My understanding is he hasn’t to put his own money in to pursue this case, unlike Sal Grover. It’s not even like he used the site before he got kicked off according to one interview I saw with Sal Grover who said “ he just wanted to swap recipie etc with women but he hadn’t been doing that before he was kicked off the site”
Got grifter written all over it in my opinion, wouldn’t surprise me if after someone likes this, if they win a big pay out, they won’t be “gender confused” in 12 months time and would be a plain old man (just like they are now, even if they are wearing a dress). Biology doesn’t lie.
There’s big money in trains that’s what’s about the worry about that their own pocket
I wouldn't wish to contradict Helen Joyce - she's a hero - but my understanding of UK law is that it's only better than Oz law in this regard because UK law has the Gender Recognition Act. The fairly recently Haldane judgment - that For Women Scotland took to court - ruled that a man with a GRC is a woman for 'all purposes'. Presumably, this means that the few thousand men with a GRC in the UK *are* treated as women under the Equality Act, and that the single sex exemption would not apply to them. So, if Roxy Tickle had a UK GRC, and Giggle was a UK app, the law would apply exactly here as it does in Oz. The Oz law is based on self-ID, as I understand it, which means that a man doesn't even need a GRC to invade women's spaces. Sex Matters - of which Helen is a director - is still trying to get the Equality Act clarified so that sex means sex (and not gender identity). Until this happens, British men like Roxy, who want to spoil women-only spaces, are legally protected in doing so, so long as they have a GRC. Someone please tell me if I have this all wrong.
You've gone into a fair bit of detail laying this out, so I expect you probably know significantly more than me about the law on this in Australia versus the UK, so take whatever I say with a huge pinch of salt, but:
Doesn't a lot of it come down to the individual judge and how they themselves interprit a specific case and the laws surrounding it, depending on the country? We've had a couple of court cases in the UK relating to gender identities (delusional men trying to impose their nonsensical identities on women), and in most of them the law has thankfully sided with the women. Essentially saying that they have every righ to be gender critical and that this is a protected belief.
The thing that was so shocking to me was the Australian judge saying that 'sex is changable' or something a long those lines... What?!
The Australian Sex Discrimination Act was amended in 2013 to include the term gender identity and remove the definitions of male and female. Sally Grover is arguing that this is wrong and will be part of the appeal process. The changes to this Act were made by our first female Prime Minister (famous for her mysoginy speech in parliament) and Australians were not informed of these changes nor voted or agreed to them.
Transwomen aren't men, they are women.
@@Michelle-Davis Trans identifying men think they're women.
No problem with wishful thinking.
The GRC still excluded males from female only spaces. If there was anything different in Scotland, it will be because the laws in Scotland can be different to those in England and Wales.
the tickle /giggle case is a terrible joke woke is broke
I love Sex Matters and Helen but can’t listen to Julia talking for 99% of the interview! I understand Sex Matters has to be seen so no blame, no shame on your part. ❤🇬🇧❌❌
It cost her 1.2 million and counting
What cost who 1.2 million what?
Waste of time and money. The Australian High Court is not to be laughed at. I wonder how many will be sucked into fund the high court appeal. 🥴🤔
@@biancawilloughby9980Count me in for that !!
@@biancawilloughby9980 That's the issue the Australian High Court has made itself a laughing stock worldwide.
LGBTQ+makesmewanttopuke
Everyone watching this video should do some research and proper study of the subject.
Otherwise it's an echo chamber and confirmation bias.
Just because you agree with a social media influencer doesn't make it true. Go and find out ftom external credible independent sources. Then have an informed opinion, not a biased misinformed opinion.
Helen Joyce misinformed?
If she's got the wrong end of the stick we're all in trouble!
@@GrahamBorland-cz8cx about some things, yes.
You're just attention seeking, so there you go. You can thank me later.
@@GrahamBorland-cz8cx she's your cult leadet
Triggered.
Look up breathing exercises. It will help you when you're triggered.
What's the point of making claims you can't back up, unless you're just causing trouble. Grow up ms Joyce.
False claims?
@GrahamBorland-cz8cx she's full of them.
@@Michelle-Davis E.G.
@GrahamBorland-cz8cx that genderbis binarycand you can't change sex etc. That transwomen are men not women. Thst transgender is an ideology.
@@Michelle-Davis Presumably you would understand that not everyone agrees with you.
HJ is far from being a lone voice.
"Transwomen are women " is just a claim.
Nobody has yet been able to explain what they mean by that claim.
What type of women?
Are they women all the time or just in public?
Do they stop being women when they require sex dependent medical care?
What happens if some bloke tries to chat them up. Do they put him in the picture?
You can see why the public are confused with so many perplexing questions.
Trans women are not cis men or cis women.
They are men.
It's just men and women. Don't put labels on people. Wearing a wig and makeup doesn't turn a man into a woman., just as wearing blackface doesn't make you a person of color.
No labels, please.
@@stephanieroth16The word cis is absurd. It's just a way to make it seem women are a subset of woman in their own sex class.
i am NOT a cis woman, my husband is NOT a cis man. i refuse to be a subset in my own sex category. there is only MAN or WOMAN. pretenders are no longer welcome.
2 whinging people
1 ignorant child. 🖕
The more you ignore the horrendous affect gender ideology is having on people and society, the more people will turn against your cause.
who? You and yourself?
@@ktwashere5637 I think his wig is the brains of the outfit.
1 confused man.