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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video I show you a full detailed walkthrough of the new step-sequencer feature that shipped with the 2.0 update on the SP404-MK2.
This one took a ton of work as there is a lot to cover so a like and a comment below would be greatly appreciated!
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0:00 - Intro
0:29 - Getting into Step Sequencer
1:45 - Selecting and adding sounds
3:40 - HOLD button features
4:28 - Delete functions
5:32 - Editing start points
7:13 - Substep
8:44 - Pitch
9:51 - Velocity
10:51 - Hold Step
12:00 - Changing between recording modes
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UPDATE! You can change the parameters on the fly. You need to press and HOLD the pad in question then you can change pretty much everything. The start point does get a bit glitchy and I've had a few pads just disappear when I'm changing that parameter, but velocity and pitch work well. Thanks to @Castel for pointing that out!
feel like this is not working for me. when i press the pad it ends up turning itself off clearing the field
@@visible7044 Same here... I'm fully updated as well.... I wonder if you have to be in a certain mode to effect it. I'm mainly interested in changing the pitch after I get the steps in, but when i hold the pad... off she goes....
@@blkrbbt i figured it out you can’t change pitch just the middle and right value of the main page
@@visible7044 Youre right... do you think you have to hold the step until the playhead comes back around? because its working now that you said something!!! WAIT..... UNLESS YOU'RE MAGIC!
@@blkrbbt lol as far as i could tell you did not have to hold it for a period of time.
To change the parameters of a step, you can hold down the pad and make the adjustments, it applies to all but the start value.
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Oh damn…missed that! Thanks a lot 🙏
Wow, I didn't know that, that's amazing. That's how the Pioneer SP-16 works as well and it's one of my favourite features on that machine. The MK2 keeps getting better!
It doesn’t seem to work on Substep or Shuffle either, or maybe I’m doing it wrong somehow.
@@joakimstenkvistno, it's nothing that you're doing wrong, you can only change a few different parameters using that method. Hopefully they add more in another firmware update
Great video. I suspect PAD velocity means that it will respect the velocity that you used to enter the note if you have fixed velocity switched off. I also suspect LAST in hold will hold the sample until the last note in the pattern regardless of the number of bars you have selected. I haven't yet tried these theories out but I imagine that is how they would work. I will try over the weekend 😜👍🏼
Sounds about right. Unfortunately it doesn’t say what either mean in the manual yet. It doesn’t even mention the option from pad from what I could see but I think you are right in both counts 👍
The step sequencer definitely makes me feel way more comfortable with the unit. Maybe a bit limited for now, notably we still lack note length, arp and note repeat input modes (though we have the sub-steps which is cool). For now it at least lets you easily initiate your beat with some sequenced drums.
I hope Roland will continue on this path making of the SP404 a full sample-based groovebox rather than "a very good sampler with cool FX" that were the legacy SP202/303/404/A.
The DJ mode is a very good idea but also needs refinements to become usable (like key lock mode and FX bus assignment to Channels rather than sample pads). Right now it is a bit frustrating to use I believe.
Yeah I don’t find DJ mode that appealing although I’ve not spent much time with it. For live I would almost certainly still just have full tracks on pads and get creative with how I transition between tracks
The step sequencer is what pushed me over the edge and got me to order one. I don't have the best rhythm, so this will really help. I have a PO-33 and it seems like this changes the workflow to be more like something I'm already familiar with.
i thought he did show how to edit note length?
I know its an old comment but you can increase note length..
That's weird that shuffle/swing isn't working for you, it's working perfectly for me.
It will only apply to samples on even numbered pads (because odd-numbered pads are the hits that are on the beat), and one thing I would say is that it is very extreme, you don't need to add a lot of shuffle for it to take effect. If you set it at +50 the hit on the off-beat will almost literally play on the next step. Even +25 I found ridiculously strong.
Try (for example) +8, make sure you have some hits on the even numbered pads/steps, and you will hear the difference.
P.S. you can't add shuffle to parts of patterns that are already recorded/programmed. On the one hand, this is annoying because if you like a pattern but want to add some shuffle/swing, you have to enter everything again. But the advantage of Roland implementing it that way is that you can have different samples at different swing strengths in the same pattern (or even the same sample but on different steps) which is pretty mind-blowing - that kind of programming is usually reserved for Elektron machines!
Hmm ok I will try that again. Maybe I overcooked it a little 👍
@Ayxzak yeah, hopefully. On other machines I'd tend to dial in swing afterwards while a pattern is playing, you don't really know how much is enough until you turn the knob so that it sounds just right. So having to do it via trial and error is a bit cumbersome
Yooo!!! Just got mine this week and couldn’t figure out the sequencer cuz I’m more of a programmer than finger drummer and it was bumming me out that I was starting to think the sequencer didn’t work like any other normal one. You just made me want to keep my 404 now! Thank you so much for this video. Liked and subscribed!
Thanks for the sub and glad to help!
Next up, we need an ARP!!!! Let’s go Roland I know you got this, you put arps in everything else already 🧐
I look forward to watching your videos.
been searching for a simple answer all day, thanks spvidz 👑
No problem 👍
If you hold a pad, you can modify the first page of parameters without removing it from the grid.
Yup I've pinned a comment explaining that now. Thanks man
Excellent video, just what I needed to know before purchasing!
Great to help! :)
Just got mine, this helped me a shit tons ! Thanks
Welcome to the gang 🙌
Thanks! Shift and record! Shift and record! :-) great exploration and that last point really helped.
Great overview as always!
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Thank you!!
This was a fantastic instruction. Thank you.
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Thanks for the video. This will be my guide!
Glad I could help you man!
Dope breakdown sir
Thanks a lot VSB!
Thank you for this, kind sir! ❤
My pleasure!
Thank you for the Video. Helpful!
Glad to hear it. There may have been changes since this went live as this was firmware version 2.0! :)
another great video!!! Thanks
I repurchased a MK2 again. Found one in stock at my local dealer. I’m liking the 2.0 so far. V1 was a total no no for me.
The deal is to compare this to a Circuit Rhythm not an MPC and you’ll start to love it :)
Yeah the 2.0 is a biggie! Glad to hear you got back into the MK2 game!
Awesome thanks!!!
noticed you got the old DR sample :)
Hi @SPVIDZ, one question: is it possible to check the parameter of a trig/step in the tr-rec mode? I have a lot of steps of one sample with different pitch and velocity values. How can I check these parameters? If I press and hold a step I can change the parameter, but how can I see the "original" values? Thx in advance!
Hmm not sure about that one. I don’t tend to use TR mode much. I’ll try and have a look. I’d try the usual things like holding shift or maybe holding down the value wheel
THANKS MATE!! AWESOME!!!
No problem! 🤝
thanks the manual is not the best lol this cleared things up
Hi there, do you know if is there a way to know what are the parameters of a notes i already sequenced? I.e. the velocity, pitch or offset?
But I am curios about ,why you need the Metronom while in TR Step recording Mode?
feel like i need to relearn this whole machine.. mpc key61 stealing all my time now.
Thanks
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Anyone else not able to switch between step sequencer mode and trigger mode using the remain button after using the step sequencer? Feels like a bug
Very insightful video on the step sequencer, something i cant understand on my 404 though is why the length stays stuck on 4 bars
That shouldn't be the case. The MK2 is capable of going all the way up to 99 bars. You just need to set that before you do any recording
Nice.
Danke Bro🎼
No problem!
Hello,
thanks for your tutorial, very helpful for me as 404 beginner. Have a question: if I run a external audio source (iPad app) and use the step sequencer and want to select a pad to trigger it the external audio source will be muted. Do you know this? Is there a workaround or if I have to change settings? Thanks for help! Jan
Hi everyone! Someone discovered how the SHUFFLE parameter works? I tried to use on simple things but looks like does not affect nothing...anyway thanks a lot for the video!
I can't set my SP to get lower than 4 bars?
You should be able to go down to 1. Make sure you are on the 2.0 software
@@spvidz Yep, it wasn't updated. All good now. Also, if anyone is experiencing the encoders not throwing the correct values, factory reset after the update!
sweet video..thanks so much. Am I right in that this step sequencer does not respect the pitch settings on the sample outside of the pattern mode? So like if you change the pitch settings with vinyl mode on the sample itself, and do not resample it, it won't acknowledge it and it will always play it at 0.00 pitch.
Yes you're right. You can either resample it first, or you can use the pitch settings inside TR-REC as well. I think resampling is cleaner
@@spvidz ty also i noticed holding a trigger and changing a front page value only works for velocity for me. if i change pitch it does nothing and if i change substep then then trigger disappears when i let go of it and i need to place a new one.
also i don’t know if it’s in my head but the sequencer seems buggy especially things like gate for samples seems to just come on randomly
I’m trying to use the sequencer but whenever I press a pad to record to it starts playing a random beat with a random part of a sample I have on a different pad bank, and I can’t get it to shut off, I also can’t seem to go any lower than 4 bars when selecting the length. Does anyone have any advice???
If you enter notes using the real time record and it was messy can you switch to the step sequencer to clean things up?
You can switch between the two modes whenever you like yes 👍
wait, can this also sequence an external synthesizer ?
How I make the hi hats swing
Does anyone maybe know if i can show live played patterns in tr rec mode to move single steps around and create variations or to rearrange stuff? Just wanna know because i consider buying one. Thanks a lot already ;)
Thank you for these videos! My SP is coming today and I have a quick question. If you’re working in pattern mode will the notes appear in the step sequencer if you switch recording modes?
yes they will
Question, is it possible to re-trigger a long sample in the step sequencer Like having a mute group? I had a 2 bar loop but the sample kept muting out even though it was to trigger on the next bar. Maybe I’m missing something?
It's happening because your sample is longer than the duration before it is triggered again. Even if you think it's exact it's probably a fraction of a second out.
Turn 'loop' off for that sample/pad and it should work.
This is an infuriating feature though I agree, not sure why Roland have implemented it in this way
@spvidz
Are the Chroma caps the same fit as for the SX?
Yes
@@spvidz Thank you!!
Newbie question: My samples turn back to their original pitch once I put them in the step sequencer. Is there a way to change that without having to resample them? Could not find the answer on google
I hate that about TR-REC. I think you either have to resample first or when you are in TR-REC you can change the pitch before you place the pad using the middle dial (Pitch chromatic). Its a really bad workflow. I hope Roland update this
@@spvidz thanks for getting back to me!!! Ah, so it's as I feared 😅
Hi SPVIDZ, great video bro. Is there a way to do like a MPC style "Note Repeat" when recording in standard mode and not the step sequencer? Also, can you latch it, so it stays on and you don't have to hold another button to turn it on? Keep up the great work and I'm subbed to you now. Peace fam!
Try experimenting with the roll button. Also you could just make the pad loop and turn gate off, then it will repeat in a loop until you press it again. You can change the loop point if you go to start/end too
Just got the 404 and made some bpm synced loops. But whenever I try to record one of the loops into a pattern, it records without using the tuning of the pad - ie. out of sync. Do you know how to solve that? FW3.0 installed. Thanks.
Yeah it sucks, you can either resample the pad first, or use Pitch Chromatic which is the middle dial before you place the pad
@@spvidz Yeah I feared that was the answer. Lets hope 4.0 will solve that one day ;-) Thanks
So wouldnt that HOLD feature be ideal for tracking out stems with the press of a button? The only issue I see it the inability to make real unique drum patterns like playing them in allows.
Tracking out is a pain. I tend to stay on the SP and just record the full beat out to something as I like the hardware approach. I then just do a little bit of EQ in the DAW or compression but nothing too major.
I'd love to use the sequencer, however I just got the unit and the pattern select is not available. No pads light up and the sound is not emitted. WTF???
Have you updated the software?
@@spvidz yes, it's now 2.01 The pattern seq. was available when I got it, but somehow I seemed to have deleted or moved it to who knows where.
hey man, I was just wondering if its worth getting an sp404sx? I have ableton, but I wanna make oldschool, lofi boombap beats and get that certain warmth sound that cant be recreated in daw, so is this worth it?
Its a lot easier with the MK2 because you have USB but the SX will still work as an outboard FX unit, or a lot of the time I'd make a full beat then just run the full thing through the SP after to 'master' it and get the lofi sound
@@spvidz are there any tutorials where it shows me how to run the sp through ableton?
Last will play until the pattern repeats
How many tracks can you sequence?
It don't seem to be written anywhere, thanks.
Tracks don’t really exist on the SP. There is only overdubbing and the limit is 32 polyphony so I imagine that is where you would hit the limitations first. That’s probably the reason there is no info about tracks as well
@@spvidz thanks, don’t really make sense, if it doesn’t have tracks how does it have patterns?
when you build a pattern you just take it in turns to overdub what sample you want on that pattern. Its not recorded as a separate track each time. it is overdubbed on what already exists
I wish there was a way to Loop a section of the sequence instead of waiting for it to go through the whole sequence
Yeah that would be pretty cool if you could do temporary start and end points like you can with samples
@@spvidz Let's hope on the next Update!
Can I use loops in the steps when in TR Rec mode? I’m considering add the sp404 to my setup, I want to capture loops from synths and drum machines and use sp404 to collect these loops and create patterns to use later when I’m arranging and mixing in the DAW. The loops I will be recording may not start on the first note so I must place each loop at correct placement in the measure to work, I hope I can make loop start at the step I choose in TR Rec mode and save the pattern.
I can’t see why that wouldn’t work. It’s just the same as triggering a sample however I’ve never tried it myself