Project Bruised Civic: K24 Swapping the 7th Gen Civic
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- Project Bruised Civic: K24 Swapping the 7th Gen Civic
By Aaron Gaghagen
Let's keep it 100, the 7th generation Civic was a letdown. Coming off of the 6th gen with the future classic EM1, Honda's Civic was doing big numbers. And they were looking to go even bigger, so they evolved the 7th gen Civic for the masses with a flat rear floor and bumping the base model power by a whopping 9 horsepower. The general public ate it up. But, you know we aren't the general public so when enthusiasts saw power not increase for the EX and Si trim levels and the loss of the super capable and familiar double wishbone suspension, how could we not feel forsaken?
Luckily for 7th generation owners, people like Brian exist. He dove right in back in the early 2000s to take his ES1 far beyond what people thought was possible. A turbo K20 swap along thoughtful suspension mods turned the sleepy sedan into a track ripper and a magazine cover car. This is the car that Brian used to develop Hasport's K swap kit. By the time I got ride in and drive it, the Civic had received a facelift, a K24 from an Accord mated to a 5 speed manual and the black and blue paint job which it still sports today. It was completely different from my personal 2003 Civic sedan that I hated to drive. It was raw and fun to take around corners, but that was a loooong time ago.
The poor 7th gen fell to the back burner as Brian moved on to develop other vehicles and changed from raw to just rough, from bruiser to straight up bruised. But, it's 2021 and it's time to get the Bruised Civic back into daily driver shape and show the process of doing an automatic to manual conversion and K24 swap.
Hit the links below for the unique tools we found most helpful.
Flywheel ring gear holder Honda part number 07LAB-PV00100
Stud remover www.amazon.com/dp/B01GKEBG9I/...
Knipex parallel pliers www.amazon.com/dp/B000X4OG94/...
Belt length for K24 with AC and EP3 idler? We're still looking for the correct belt length!
Who noticed that's actually a K20A in the thumbnail?
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I'm glad I found this video because after driving on this D17 for a year I'm kswapping my 7th gen.
Planning on swapping a k24a2 (1st gen tsx motor) into my es1. I’m pretty young and this is going to be my first swap. I was wondering if you ever ended up doing the swap and if so was it a straight over swap? Can the stock es1 subframe support a k24a2? If not should I just pull a tsx subframe aswell?
@@ComfortableMedium you need a RSX (manual) or EP3 civic Subframe because they bolt right up to the EM2 or ES(1 or 2) Civics
@@RustyHondas es civic subframes work for kswaps???? What needs to be done then? Just mounts?
@@jesusurbina7343 nah it's the ep3 or rsx manual and you need custom mounts
Pretty sure the crv and element subframes work too
I have been waiting for a j in a em2/es civic for so long! looking forward to it!
Age is just a number. So cool to see this, everyone needs to have fun!
THANK YOU vtec academy 🙏🏻
Been waiting for this video for years.
The guru thank you for everything🔰
Thank you so much for this video. I just spun a con rod bearing on my 03 civic ex. I have decided to kswap it while it's dead. I'm sure I'll be coming back to this video a few times over the next couple months.
Happy to help! The K really wakes up the chassis.
I can't wait. The D17 was peppy to me. My last car was an 03 echo with 300k miles on it 😆
Excellent video. I've been running a K20 in my 01 EM2 since 2009. The best money I've ever spent! Pushing a little over 300hp
damn sounds great
Can't wait to see the j series
many thanks!
I wish I could find that issue of Honda Tuning. I had it when I was a kid but its impossible to find now
I'm working on this same project... you can also use civic hybrid parts from 03-05 like eps, radiator, possibly even subframe.
Yes, but probably not the subframe. Looking at it, it may work with the CRV transmission, but not the others.
Whoever's editing this is just legendary.
We’ll tell em! Thanks!
This is a great series. But I have a question. I have a K20A3 from an 04 Si that I'm swapping into an 03 EM2. The intermediate shaft came with the engine and transmission when I bought it. What axles would I use for this combination/swap? Thank you.
Do you know if the TSX intermediate shaft and the axles from that car will work on the 7th gen 2001 civic as I am doing a k24a2 swap from a 2005 tsx
Would like to see the same engine swapped in a base DC5!
We have one for Project RSXEE. th-cam.com/video/PSptvp8vhCw/w-d-xo.html
I apologize I know I have a lot of questions but do you know if all of the K24 series manual transmissions will work on a 7th gen civic?
Hi Question what shifter box and cables can I use for my EM2 K 24 swap
I got that same stud remover recently.
It’s a solid tool addition!
Can I just swap out rsx power steering pulley with out swapping the hole psp assembly?
🔥🔥🔥
How much should I prepare to spend if I want to put in a k20 motor into my 2003 Honda Civic?
Brian I wanna be like you when I grow up haha
i want to do this to mine but i have no clue where to start
Just take it step by step.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have a 2002 civic ex 1.7 and I want to 2.4 swap do I have to go manual if I do the swap ? because I can’t drive a stick shift 😂
I want to do an auto K24 swap with the full leather interior from the Acura EL, a nice quiet exhaust, and all the accessories like cruise control/power steering/AC/etc. It will be the Mercedes of 7th gens.
Did you get it done
I'd love to swap a k24z7 in a es1
I was wondering about the EPS/HPS temps since the exhaust is right there on these cars. I have another little question regarding the steering rack/tie rod riser, at what ride height would you recommend a 7th gen use one? Thx! C'ya Tues! (I really would like to know if any of your euro friends may have some fenders with the side markers, deer has stepped up some plans...)
We didn't have any problems with heat even when the car was turbocharged. The wiring is low enough not to be affected and the motor didn't seem to be affected either. Bump steer is a problem with excessively lowered cars. I haven't done a sweep of the suspension travel to see at what point bump steer becomes a problem, so I really can't answer that.
I'm currently in the process of preparing my k24a2 to install into the engine bay but I was wondering if you have had any experience with using the AC compressor and/or PS pumps that come off the k24a2. I've researched this quite a bit and haven't had any luck on finding the solution bc the ep3/rsx parts are what most people run but I'm strapped for my budget so would like to use these parts provided it is even possible. Thanks
You would need to make AC lines for the compressor. The PS pump hits the hood, so you need to cut some of the under structure away to fit.
@@VTECAcademy thank you again for time and assistance much appreciated👍
Are we gonna get a howto on a J-series swap in this eventually also? I’ve been contemplating doing it but it’s a BIG undertaking.
At some point.
@@VTECAcademy how about now? Lol
Hey I really appreciate this series Ive watched it several times as Ive gotten stuck on my k24a2 swap and manual conversion with the 6 speed tsx trans on my auto 7th gen civic. Just wondering, are you running a 02-04 rsx ecu and oem rsx harness with hondata? also do you recommend buying a swap harness over pulling an oem rsx one, they are quite pricy but i dont know much about wiring so i was unsure which route to take. Great vids!
On this car we have the Hondata KPro. I used an RSX harness and modified the stock harness to work with it. If you want a less expensive option, check out the video on how to modify the CRV automatic harness to work like a manual RSX harness. th-cam.com/video/zoQvSWDPuRs/w-d-xo.html
@@VTECAcademy Great thanks a lot, I'm going to watch that vid because the rsx harnesses have been harder to find for a while especially at a reasonable cost.
I was thinking about trying to find a K24A8, does that motor come stock on the Accord with a manual transmission?
Yes, 06-07 Accord manual or auto.
Late to the party, but would absolutely love to see the J swap. Got a low mile J35A8 that I was hoping to put into the very same chassis...
Me too.
@@VTECAcademy Swap mounts would be awesome, though I'd imagine demand from the community would be less than other more popular combinations. Was hoping to find a partial OEM solution using N22 mounts, but not having much luck. Look forward to seeing progress on the build 👍
Brian, did you have a pilot bushing on the crankshaft?
I was wondering this too. See a big gapping hole in the end of the crankshaft.
@@quademasters249 Not only did I not have the bushing, I forgot the throw out bearing too. I went back and installed them the next morning.
@@VTECAcademy It's a really good video nonetheless. I was particularly impressed with the way you just whipped out the K2X knowledge.
Im also k swapping my 7th gen
If I use a element engine harness and a element ecu to do a kswap do I have to re pin the engine harness or just change it from drive by wire throttle body to cable
With a k tuner
@@daurysd8402 The early Element harnesses are drive-by-cable. Use one of those. You will have to repin the E plug in the car. You have to do that anyway, but it is different for the Element.
No pilot bearing?
Do you have to use the manual subframe or can you use the automatic one?
Either one works.
RSX steering rack is sportier how? Quicker ratio or just the feel of hydraulic over electronic? EP3 has a quicker ratio rack than hybrid and is still EPS.
Looking forward to that J swap though.
I can believe that. What I mean is the RSX Type S rack is sportier than the stock Civic PS rack. When I do the J swap I'll use a hydraulic rack to show how it works. I'll use the RSX rack specifically because I plan to track the car.
If you wanted to stay with EPS you could swap to EP3 and still feel sportier. I know some people prefer the feeling of hydraulic racks though, and maybe have some benefits as well.
My k24 belt is like half an inch in slack on my k 24 motor but I have an eBay ep3 idler pulley and using the k24 A/C is any of these a different size? Could the rsx type s A/C or the stock Idler pulley bigger?
What belt do you have? The stock Accord or TSX belt?
@@VTECAcademy tried the accord belt as it is a K24a4 with out power steering but with AC. I just ordered a shorter one, lol
@@VTECAcademy I’m using the 2006 RSX serpentine belt on the K24 deleting power steering and keeping A/C, using EBay Ep3 pulley. Belt is perfect fit. It is size #70680
What parts do you need to go from an ES with an automatic to a kswap with a manual? What shifter, pedals, and parts are needed from what vehicles?
RSX, EP3 or 01-05 Civic manual pedals and clutch master. RSX or EP3 clutch lines. RSX or 01-05 shifter. RSX cables.
@VTEC Academy Would the accord pedals, shifter, and/or linkages work for any of this?
Recently replaced clutch (Accord Type S, K24A3) at private workshop. Now there's no more reverse lockout, making it tricky to go from 4th to 5th gear. What could have gone wrong with reverse lockout solenoid?
Check to see if it is getting 12V. The BLK/YEL wire should have 12V whenever the ignition is on. If it does, then the problem is either a broken connection to the ECU (GRN/WHT wire I believe), or a bad Solenoid.
@@VTECAcademy Thanks a lot, I will check it out and update 👍
@@sifisocmyeni1742 update bro
@@sifisocmyeni1742 any luck figuring it out?
You mentioned it was an automatic did you have to replace the subframe? If so which one did you use?
Also you mentioned in the comments below about replacing the stock harness, with an element harness because of the position they lay ? And still have to re pin the E-plug. Can specify what that plug is?
Whether you have a manual or auto chassis you will need the RSX or EP3 subframe.
@@pablodejesus-reyes9156 There will be another video on the wiring.
I use a buffer tool to clean the flywheel hot spots, to avoid clutch chatter. I see you didn't.. Any reason why?
The clutch came out of a car we tracked regularly and didn't notice any chatter when taking off. Also this engine won't be in for long.
Does anyone have a parts list for a seventh gen civic using a budget k20? I would like to start stock piling parts for a future build.
Engine, trans, ep3 or rsx(base or type s) subframe, wire harness, and ecu. Like he says in this video, other choices depends on if you are keeping power steering, a/c and which radiator you're using.
Do some research, it's out there
I live in argentina, and i have a real problem. My automatic transmision has failed, i dont know what is happening, but after driving for a couple of minutes, the transmision fails and the car wont move. I have a 2001 d17, is it to hard to make a swap? im on a low budget, and i dont find the stock one on the market
It would be fairly easy to do a manual swap. Can you find the 7th Gen manual transmission for
Your car?
@@VTECAcademy unfortunatly, the spare parts are way too expensive. It's actually cheaper to buy a complete set (engine and transmisión) than swaping the d17 manual transmision. Maybe if i find a totaled gen 7 ill swap it... Thanks for your answer anyway, wasnt expecting it tbh, but it's nice that You replied.
What transmission are you using?
This is a TSX transmission
I plan to do the same swap to my 7th gen coupe. I was wondering, would you happen to know if the 5sp that comes with it would work with the k24
If you’re asking if the manual transmission from your D17 will fit a K24, the answer is no.
Can we use arp flywheel bolt which states b and k series?
My guess is yes if they say for K or B. It sounds like they made them slightly shorter to work for both applications.
@@VTECAcademy I went through spec sheet of b series, its same as k series. But officially arp dose not sell k series. Have seen it on website selling k series bolt and spec as same as b series.
@@90slegends49 From Honda, B-series and K-series bolts aren't the same. They may be from ARP.
@@VTECAcademy yes they aren't the same, b series are longer and unfortunately i have to buy oem ones now as arp dosen't make them.
any of yall who are a little salty you cant do the k swap just go to a junkyard and pull a d17. you'll get familiar with your engine while not messing with your for firsts. secondly it cost around 1800 bucks to FULLY build the d17 if you want to half build like just pistons springs valves retainers and cams it would be 1k. now you have a fully built d17 for 1800 right. you got to take your time on the build because you still had you original engine driving your daily! NOW you get a FABRICATED turbo kit for 2k down the road. you have something to work for now that you have a fully built engine you'll save even harder for the turbo kit. once the kit is in you get the kpro which you would have to get either way kswap or built d17 so no money loss there. now you can push 370hp SAFLEY which is way to much for our cars until you have full suspension and wheels. so you can tone it down to lets says 250 to the wheels which is PERFECT AND you push it in a extremely safe engine. now you also have a spare engine to than build AS WELL incase anything happens because your daily engine was not blown when swapping in the newly build d17! AND you spent the same money for more POWER! and you didn't have to convert anything!
Is there a 6 speed manual transmission that would work with this swap?
Yes, any of the K20A/Z 6-speeds or the TSX 6-speed.
Is there any one that can give me information on doing a kswap in a 2001 civic dx. It’s a project for me and my son. It’s his first car. If any one has any thing that can help us I would really appreciate it.
Ask questions if you'd like here.
Can I use a k24a tsx for the swap and what all will I need to complete it. I know I will need a rsx sub frame.
@@inkdrgn3you can use the k24 from the tsx. Thats the k24a2. What you’ll need depends on if you’re going for a manual or automatic swap. I have a note in my notes app with a bunch of information regarding a swap with this specific engine and I add information everyday. I plan on using it as a guide to when I swap mine. If you have an iphone and would like it then I can share it with you
Just want to see a K swapped ES1 with AC
I’m on it. 😏👌🏻🔫
Mine has ac/eps/ and working cruise control.
@@nhiaxiong6841 which electric steering set up did you use?
@@Otjmore ep3 for mine. 7th gen hybrid rack and computer would work too, but I heard the computer assist is much more sensitive than the ep3 computer.
@@nhiaxiong6841 thank you. I’ll do some research.
Can I have this motor when you are done? I'll pay shipping.
Nope. I'll use it for another car.
Liked schooled
A street car
a neat car
be sure and wipe your feet car
is not my kind of car at all
let’s go build a race car!
Can I run a stock ecu !?!?
Not with the TSX engine. If you use a K20A2 or Z1 you can use the stock 01-04 RSX Type S ECU. You would need to make a few wiring changes or use an adapter harness. Then you would have to have Honda reflash the ECU to work with your Civic's key.
Where the ef si build
Waiting on the engine. It will be back soon.
7th gen civic is by far the worst gen honda lol
I’d didn’t realize that until after I bought one. 😩
This makes it a little nicer.
Everybody says that but I finally bought one and I actually really like it. I like the way it drives and handles. Likes to oversteer a lot so it’s pretty fun in the rain, especially with an empty gas tank. Not sure why people dislike these so much other than the looks. I especially love that it’s a basic no abs no power windows bare bones model with an immobilizer, gives me some peace of mind when I park in sketchy areas.
@@Triple259772 they jump the immobilizer with the ignition switch I'd change out the steering wheel cover plastic Bolts for security key ones
@@s550andrew that’s not possible, ecu won’t allow the car to turn on without immobilizer. Most common way on 7th gen chassis (rsx, crv) is to swap the ecu for a stand-alone but the ecu on these civics are hidden in the dash and it’s not worth the effort to steal a base civic.
Talk too much. Not enough wrenching.
Maybe? But now you know what to do to prep a 7th gen for a K swap.
60 hours away are you serious? It will be buried in most people supscribed videos after 24 hours. Losing views with these types of pr
We hear you. This is a longer video for people looking to K swap their 7th gen Civic around 45 minutes.
Would you rather they surprise you? I prefer knowing in advance personally.
I'm not doing a 7th gen swap but I loved this format for sure
If i am keeping the 4 lug from the em2 long or short intermediate shaft?