exactly...malaysia knows the documents and the facts are not on their side so why subject themselves to total defeat? this way they can claim they did not present their side and call the ruling one-sided....well, it's called defaulting on your case...hahaha
@@zekefister8294 Not true. This case can be won if Malaysia will quickly & openly appoint a team of lawyers, that can fight in international courts. Tommy gave good suggestions. It's a matter of what Malaysia thinks is important to do first...
@@Psalm131Psalm1 Too little too late...Malaysia already lost the arbitration...the ruling is final and can be enforced already...latest news articles say the sulu sultanate lawyers have filed court documents in the Netherlands to seize Malaysian assets there...😁
@@zekefister8294 Beg to differ. The decision can be challenged in various ways; have some hope. The trouble is Malaysia is not focussing on things that matter. We await PH's return, this time with QUALITY nominees as we will vote for the candidate this time & not the party, if their candidates are hopeless. We want candidates with good track records who can build the nation.
@@Psalm131Psalm1 You can beg to differ all you want. However, your legal or political opinions are irrelevant and do not carry any weight of enforcement action. Unlike, of course, the arbitrator's legal opinion which ruled against Malaysia's position regarding Sabah.
All contracts, new or old, whether arbitration clause is absent, and under dispute, is still subject to arbitration and the more it needs the mechanism of arbitration. So it's stupid to reason out that there was no arbitration clause. It only tells that you are looking for an alibi, or a means to escape. Besides, the violation or breach of contract was since the time the land of Sabah was handed over by the British illegally to the Federation of Malaya in 1963. Another breach of contract is the appropriation of Sabah's natural resources, violating the purpose of lease which is to serve as "trading post" only. So you are deeply screwed. No matter how you tumble it up and down, you are in great trouble. No matter which court you go, Malaysia cannot win.
😅😁 Malaysia kalah atas dasar tipis bahawa apa yang mereka bicarakan tidak disokong oleh dokumen undang-undang. Malaysia menjadi bahan ketawa kerana alasan yang lemah, sehingga takut untuk menghadapi isu tersebut dalam timbang tara..🤪
He cant assure certainty because thats like telling the arbitration is all wrong so everyone involved in the arbitration would become his enemy. He basically telling what malaysian govt should do and distancing himself from the mess like he is not part of it. Youd know what he will say the moment he entered the room. See how he can smile with such a huge problem. Him explaining what sulu heirs did shopping for courts in their favor then advicing own govt to make the same move to go shop their own court in favor of them is more like giving false hope. I dont think the british would want this issue on their court as they have involvement in the issue and once again also a goldmine for british reporters. If petronas really is a private entity then things can go south again like opening pandoras box, even if you protect assets but not fix the root problem youll just keep on giving birth to more problems. The debt is still there and a govt entity becoming a private one will definitely be a huge scandal making it a goldmine for all reporters. Either petronas lose asset or lose integrity. If its a private fortune 500 company an endless question will ensue not to mention malaysian people got dumb founded again. Well actually the whole world gets dumbfounded and the courts wont take lightly on that one. Either the govt lied to the world from the beginning about petronas or the govt changed petronas into a private one just to save those seized assets.
@@juanloh1902 Do you for once thinks we're all illiterate.?. Show us the proof. We would love to read them too..Let me tell you this..If you unable to proof to your claims?... You've just proof to the world that you bunch of filippinos are mostly liar's.
@@juanloh1902 You missed the point, an arbitration is not a case to win it is more similar to a settlement outside court. A dispute would be case through court but Sulu does not want to do this. Malaysia did not attend the arbitration because arbitration was not mentioned as a means to settle dispute in the 1878 agreement and the definition of arbitration requires BOTH parties to enter, therefore the arbitration is illegal. This is why both Spanish court and Paris court ordered the arbitrator (Stampa) to stop after Malaysia objected. But Sulu counsel and Stampa ignored and they jumped from country to country so Stampa can give Sulu a large award. The proper route is to raise the dispute (not arbitration) in the High Courts of Sabah, where the agreement is naturally relevant to. In fact it would've been an easy win for Sulu if they raised the dispute to the High Courts of Sabah, Malaysia unjustifiably stopped payment in 2013. Tommy Thomas recognized this and offered to pay the outstanding amount from 2013 - 2019 (when he wrote to the Sulu counsel), then adding 10% interest on top to settle the dispute. But Sulu and its counsel refused this seemingly so Sulu can be awarded an unfair amounts of money in illegal arbitration. Mind you the Spanish public prosecutor filed a criminal complaint against Stampa for serious contempt of court and professional intrusiveness due to this. The Criminal Court of Madrid has commenced a criminal investigation in relation to these complaints. Appeals from Malaysia to set aside arbitrations have been swiftly granted too.
Mr. Tommy Thomas, It is you who does not want to accept the true meaning 1878 Deed of Lease agreement. If Malaysia will bring the case to the court of England, the British will be obliged accept any documents (such as maps, books, etc.) published by the British in 19th century proving that the larger portion of Sabah is indeed belong to the territory of the Sultan of Sulu...Moreover, Because of advancement of technology today, the entire world will definitely know how the British Empire illegaly seized the larger territory of the Sultan of Sulu over Sabah by distorting the true meaning of 1878 Deed of Lease Agreement...
@@daleedwardjabonero2008 Sorry I'm not sure what you mean here, mind elaborating? In fact my first reply here is wrong. The Paris court did order the arbitrator to cease, which the arbitrator ignored. Appeal and stay of execution was granted by the Paris court of appeal acknowledging and to protect Malaysia's interests, sovereign immunity and sovereignty.
Good luck to you guys. Your greediness to a property you dont owned will sink country. Accept the reality and move forward. How can you deny the yearly rent you are paying? That is a true fact.
Malaysia cannot accept the reality that by facts and evidences testified by Spain Arbitration - from earlier decades of years that Sabah (Borneo) is own by the Sultanate of Sulu. Through the collaboration of British Company they manipulate the resources of Sabah without acknowledging the rights of Sultan of Sulu and payments are taken-up negligence and irresponsible. UN Lawful records provides the legitimate ownership by Sultan of Sulu. Sabah has to return to the heirs of Sultan of Sulu and rightfully abide to ruling of Arbitration.
No more Arguments the decision of the international court is final . Malaysia Goverment must pay 15 billion dollars to the heirs of Sultanate of SULU .. .
Mr. Thomas you are contributing problem to Malaysia and Sulu Sultanate about Sabah. For the leased agreement of it 1878. The arbitration award is final and executory throughout the 168 countries and it never revoke by higher court if the higher courts revoke in favor of Malaysia that judgement may demoralize the justice system of the whole countries in the world and people may take the law into their hands be without respecting the fundamental law of the land. Hope the arbitration award would continue enforceable to awaken the oppressor country to the weak individual.
If there is no arbitration clause in the 1878 agreement, then why did TT write the letter agreeing to pay the back arrears in rent? It was his letter that gave the Sultanate of Sulu new impetus to file claims on Sabah. Why don't TT show us the letter he wrote if he has nothing to hide?
First he is no longer the attorney general and has no access to the documents. Second it's not rent, it's compensation for "We … Sultan of Sulu … hereby grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London as representatives of a British Company … forever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands …" Forever and in perpetuity, and no part of the agreement states this is forfeited even if the payment stops. Sultans of Sulu got duped into a bad deal lmao. The Spanish court ordered the Spanish arbitrator to stop, so he brought the case to France. Paris court ALSO ordered him to stop and said the arbitration is illegitimate but the arbitrator decided to award anyway. Mind you this isn't even arbitrated in Sabah when it is central, the court in France has no business ruling about anything pertaining to our country.
@@lazrozazdthird The Sulu has only argued about the word "padjak", and almost nothing else in the agreement. "Forever and in perpetuity", "Compensation" not rent, "five thousand dollars" are all crystal clear. Nothing to twist. Then there is 1903 Confirmation Deed which uses the word "menyerahkan" which means surrender instead of padjak. It is the Sulu that wants to twist it. Both the Spanish and France court actually deemed the arbitration as illegitimate.
There was an arbitration clause during the 1878 agreement in jawi script agreement . That's the reason why the heirs of the Sulu Sultanate have won the case
@@noelmausisa5192They didn't win a case. Arbitration is not a court case, it is more similar to settling out of court. Spanish court at first appointed Stampa to do the arbitration, then when Malaysia pointed out the agreement didn't allow for arbitration, Spanish court ordered Stampa to stop, but he ignored it and brought the case to Paris who didn't know about the objection. When objected to Paris they ALSO agreed and ordered Stampa to stop arbitration, which was again ignored. Normally arbitrators have to step down but the way Stampa acted to remain as the arbitrator is like having the referee as your friend so can he rule in your favor no matter what, which betrays the idea of having a neutral arbitrator.
The verdict of the arbitration court is final and binding and there's nothing more to do. That's the sad reality that you have to accept and we are talking about the 163 member countries. Perhaps you can prevent UK to allow the seizure of your assets if ever you have something there but you cannot prevent other countries to do the same😁 and the saddest reality of all is Malaysia does not own Sabah and it needs to be handed over to the Philippines just like Hongkong when it was handed over to China.
@@littlesparrow1284 Do you seriously think anyone is actually buying into your ridiculous threats?.Why don't you Grow up and stop acting like a kid. Instate of wasting your time threatening others,why don't you spend your time advising your illegal filippinos bro and sis who is loitering in Sabah( Malaysia🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾) illegally to please return immediately, before they'll be caught and sent to jail. After serving their sentence?..They'll be deported back to the country where you're in right now!!
If I own the land and lease it to somebody and he did not pay even 1 month of lease, the owner of the land has the right to arbitrate it to the courts of law even though there is no clause to arbitrate in the signed agreement. What Kind of a lawyer are you?
It's not good analogy. Even if you used that analogy, most of state government had the authority to take over the land with legal path. For example, in SG, the state can take over the land legally with or without reasonable compensation.
It wasn’t rental its ceded. COMFIRMATION by Sultan of Sulu of Cession of Certain Islands. (Translation) WE, the Sultan of Sulu, state with truth and clearness that we have ceded to the Government of British North Borneo of our own pleasure all the islands that are near the territory of North Borneo from Banguey Island as far as Sibuco Bay. These are the names of them: Muliangin, Muliangin Kechil, Malawali, Tegabu, Bilian, Tegaypil, Lang Kayen, Boan, Lehiman, Bakungan, Bakungan Kechil, Libaran, Taganack, Beguan, Mantanbuan, Caya, Omadal, Si Amil, Mabol, Kepalai, Dinawan, and the other islands that are situated alongside, or round or between the islands that are above- mentioned. This is done because the names of the islands were not mentioned in the Agreement made with Baron de Overbeck and Mr. Alfred Dent on the 19th Maharam, 1295, corresponding with the 22nd January, 1878, It was known and understood between the two parties that the islands were included in the cession of the districts and islands mentioned in the above- stated Agreement. NOW because what is above written is true and certain, we have set our seal to this notification. Made at Sandakan the 22nd April, 1903.
@@namazlur78 in some explanation the original language used in the contract says "leased/rent" but a who knows where it came from lawyer or whatsoever directly translated it to "ceded" when handing down the contract. and the contract also stated a amount w/c is. 5000 Mexican gold pieces to be paid to the landowner per annum "forerver in the end of time". why should u pay 5000 per year if its already yours? are you dumb?
Fadhli kindly use your knowledge to understand the truth about this issue Malaysia is always denied about it ever since now what your country has get ashamed to the people and the world. My advice to you Is that let your government forms a deligation panel to talk to the sultanate of Zulu and the government of the Philippines, you will have a peace of mind rather than playing like innocent but deep inside its a monster try to grab the land which does not belongs to your country.
Contempt order??? Really??? Oh c'mon. You haven't learned your lesson Malysians. You already what happened when you did not pay since 2013 and now you want to do it again??? Ohhh, this will definitely favor the Sulu Sultanate heirs and will put you in bad light in the International scene.
Arbitration is not a court judgement... it is when 2 parties cannot have an agreement so arbitration will take place, as a neutral party. It take place to shorten the court and legal process. It shall be done in a court itself not arbitration process. Arbitration is just a give and take process ... Like a divorce cases, arbitration came to assist in these cases, but when parties cannot agrees ... court/judge will make decision. We should reject it as we haven't agreed to it in the first place. Arbitration shall be agreed by both parties ...
@Toodler _cute Malaysians in internet act like they know everything.. lol so don't be surprised if they surpassed some best lawyers. Only here on the internet of course.. 🤣🤣
Well, you mention the 1878 agreement. There were *NO* clause *in* *the* *agreement* to transfer North Borneo to Malaysia. That was formed in the 1963. The lease agreement is a commercial transaction. You deftly skipped rent. Let the arbitrator decide on your *atrocious* *action* . The court had concluded. Pay the arrears plus interest. And prepare to be *EVICTED* .
sulu decendant and their fake sultans has no right on sabah anymore when they was abolish by macros. unless phi government return their power back which is a no no. so no one is getting any more sabah money or get evicted. also, most migrant sulu phi work and stay in sabah and prefer retain the status quo compare to the phi government who make their life harder under wild wild west regime of duterte and macros. if phi taking back sabah, all thing that they trying to get away will come back. so no thanks. sulu can stay abolished.
Lol it ceded territory and the 1903 agreement removes any ambiguity. And there’s the madrid protokol 1885 where Spain relinquished its territory to British including north borneo. The only proper place to settle this is the sabah high court as the successor of british north borneo government. This is included in the british parliament called the malaysia act. The philippine doesn’t have any rights to north borneo. The last sulu sultan died in 1936 without a successor so the sabah high court ordered the compensation payment to be divided between 8 relatives of the late sultan. Esmail kiram is not one of them 🤣🤣🤣. Keep on dreaming pinoy can go eat pagpag. Develop your miserable country first. Luzon and Manila also belongs to Brunei 🇧🇳
@@namazlur78 they all lost it when the Sulu heirs died. And they came up with made up heir. Why many Sultanate in ancient Philippines died out only retaining this "Sulu"? There's bigger ambitious around this motivation. It's not hard to read Pinoys mind after all
The best thing malaysia should do is quit claim of sabah. Pay the unpaid rent. And that is best thing malaysia will do for the sake of peace. Or will cause harsher penalty
Malaysia failed to pay the lease for sabah in 7 years. Just give it back to the Philippines, Sabah belongs to Philippines and Sabah belongs to the sultanate of sulu heir.
@@jefferi78 It's legally exist lol. The arbitration court ordered malaysia to pay 14.96 billion usd to sultanate of sulu as compensation for failing pay the lease for sabah for 7 years. Sabah belongs to Philippines. Do research and read articles not just typing without further reading.
@@antibobo0217 , look how phi government treat the sulu people. you think these people want to be part of it? sabah is good as it is. no one want phi gov. especially when the son of former dictactor running the country. stop using sulu for your greedy scam.
@@jefferi78 Are you sure? Lol. Sulu is part of Philippines. Don't bark old geezer. Malaysia is scared so called owner. Let karma do the rest for the Philippines.
Seriously U R making scapegoat Mr just to blame others bacause u didn’t do anything to defend the case! Thank u for underestimated or taking for granted the case!
Give Caesar what belongs to Caesar!!! Sabah has never been part of Malaysia. It paid rent for too long as it isn't theirs. It stopped paying in 2013. So it's proper to return its to its owner.
Non-payment of rental results in accumulation of rental expense furthermore intentional non-payment of such is recorded as bad debts. Eviction follows.
There no word rental in the grant and also nothing in the 1903 agreement. Its ceded territory. The payment of rm5300 is a compensation payment, a grace and mercy out of goodwill. The sulu ceded north borneo so he doesn’t have the sovereignty over north borneo anymore. And so as phillpine has no rights and no parts in this treaty was between the late sultan and british north borneo goverment.
@@namazlur78 there is no such thing as compensation pay for land grabbing, Malaysian government violated the 1878 contract, that's why the Petronas assets are seized, Malaysian government fucked up!
Read the history dumb dumb in 1962 the sultanate of sulu already gave the Land to the Philippine president macapagal, so the owner of sabah is the Philippines, stop denying the facts, we have documents proof, Malaysian government violated what was passed on by the British company that (RENTED) sabah, they fucked up so Malaysia will suffer
@@namazlur78 and why sulu sultanate win the case at International court???They have all the legal documents that Sabah is just renting so ICJ favors them
This man keep using "In my opinion" and "in my view". Thus his argument has no value. If this man cannot fight back in court and can't back up his claims then he lose.
That is not right just to ignore a legitimate case issue, besides there was a binding contract for lease for a portion of North Borneo to the British exploraton company.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
"International courts should have ignored Sulu claims as no arbitration clause, says Tommy Thomas." Then why the fcuk did you write the letter agreeing to pay the back arrears in rent??? You just incriminated yourself. This unilateral action without the knowledge and consent of the PM and his Cabinet is treason!
Because as much as it says "no arbitration", the agreement does mention payment as compensation for "grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London as representatives of a British Company … forever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands …" It is out of goodwill, not rent.
@@muhammadaliffzulfikarabuba7999 The letter makes no difference. Malaysia has been paying the Sulu for over 50 years so Sulu has a point. It is because Najib's government stopped payment that Sulu sought counsel and is already on-going. Tommy Thomas basically tried pay the outstanding money according to 1878 Grant so they will stop making a case, which would have spared us from this mess.
Malaysia's paying annually to the heirs of sultanate of sulu is the biggest and concrete proof and evidence that Sabah is not their territory! And it is slapping truth to Malaysian people! Because the world knows that Sabah is a Philippines territory!
What mistake are you talking about to be precise ? Can you be specific? I just wonder if you actually know the facts of the case in the first place. If you don't i would advise you to read the details of the sulu claim in the special report on this matter in the edge. The details and the chronology of events are all there . When you don't know, don't try to be smart and shoot your mouth off just in case you get sued for libel!
From the looks of it Malaysia is checkmate already and thinking of some dirty tactics even against the prosecutors right? Just settle the the amount prescribed by the arbitration court and once and for all sit down again with the Sultanate of Sulu for renegotiation of your perpetual lease …the PH government is just waiting and seeing your every move.
Maybe they’re going to try to fund another terrorist insurgency to distract the incumbent presidency so they can get away from the Sabah dispute! Too bad for them the Philippine Vice President, who strongly supports President Marcos’ advocacies, has Maranao blood. Her people greatly support her.
Malisya need the Ivedince that Sultanate of Sulu or Philippines Republic have a Agreement that SABA give to Malisya.taht so Easy Problem.. if no Sight of Agreement between Philippines Republic or sultanate of Sulu so Clear SABA n Malisya only Rent that Land to Philippines Republic or to the Sultanate of Sulu..
Haha how come the Sabah is own by Malaysia it's clear they are renting , for Soo long years sence they stop paying , the owner have right to seek justice , and all that amounth is the interest of the rent that they stop in ignored for several years , and really clear that just a rent Soo pay the arears and prepare of the eviction , in stop dreaming that is your ,,in the sultanate of sulu they are not claiming that they are a Malaysian citizen they stand that they are a pilipino ,
Alhamdulilah syukur sgt2 dia ni xjd AG lg klau x mmg xda laaa kita menang brgaya dgn Sulu kt Spain France n Nederland .. klau dia AG mmg kalah teruk kita sbb dia ni suka kirim surat kt Kiram 😂😂 main surat menyurat dgn musuh 😡
there are documents.. titles and historical evidences that prove that the sultan of sulu indeed own Sabah. and the court made a ruling which malaysia is signatory.. EVIDENCES ..what is legal and illegal is based on this.. why then malaysiA not honor the ruling.. and how much the sultan of sulu get? how much wealth malaysia get from sabah? is there a swindling issue here?
Additional comments . The original owner of SABAH is from Borneo now Brunei under sultan Bolkiah the present Sultane . Back in 1700 century . There is a civil war in the territory of Brunei in short the Sultanate of SULU help the Brunei to fight the rebel and as a token The SABAH give to Sultanate of SULU . Means a long time ago the SABAH is in the possession of Sultanate of SULU . Before the British arrived and enter into agreement to rent the SABAH to the Sultanate of SULU . Until they form the MALaysia as a country including Singapore. He he he very simple Explanation . Just like mathematics 1+1= 2.
@@angelocastada1499 no more Arguments the decision of the international court of Justice ,base on the presentation of facts and Documents is final . The Malaysian Government must pay penalties and damages the amount of 15 billion pesos to the HEIRS of Sultanate of SULU.
Paragraph 3 states and I quote: "... but the rights and powers hereby leased shall NOT BE TRANSFERRED TO ANY NATION, OR A COMPANY OF OTHER NATIONALITY, without the consent of Their Majestys' Government."
COMFIRMATION by Sultan of Sulu of Cession of Certain Islands. (Translation) WE, the Sultan of Sulu, state with truth and clearness that we have ceded to the Government of British North Borneo of our own pleasure all the islands that are near the territory of North Borneo from Banguey Island as far as Sibuco Bay. These are the names of them: Muliangin, Muliangin Kechil, Malawali, Tegabu, Bilian, Tegaypil, Lang Kayen, Boan, Lehiman, Bakungan, Bakungan Kechil, Libaran, Taganack, Beguan, Mantanbuan, Caya, Omadal, Si Amil, Mabol, Kepalai, Dinawan, and the other islands that are situated alongside, or round or between the islands that are above- mentioned. This is done because the names of the islands were not mentioned in the Agreement made with Baron de Overbeck and Mr. Alfred Dent on the 19th Maharam, 1295, corresponding with the 22nd January, 1878, It was known and understood between the two parties that the islands were included in the cession of the districts and islands mentioned in the above- stated Agreement. NOW because what is above written is true and certain, we have set our seal to this notification. Made at Sandakan the 22nd April, 1903.
@hipsterPapa in international law when you begin with nothing you end up with nothing. The two european gentlemen are only private individuals who cannot and has no right to accept a deed of cession of a territory. Transfer of territories only between a state to a state. That 1903 agreement is null void because it is against international law. The contract of lease is non-transferable to any nation, a private company or to a private person. So, you start with zero, you end up with zero.
@@namazlur78 and here's the thing, commercial trading agreement is just a commercial trade. Sovereignty is not in the agreement therefore Sabah is under the sovereignty of the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo. So, the BNBC breached the contract and illegally turned over Sabah to the thieves. The 1878 agreement is all about a trading post in North Borneo. It considered as a breach of contract and lastly the Malaysian stop the rental payment in 2013. So Guess what? It's payback time.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Respect arbitration award.. Malasya has no historical RIGTHs over sulu... So you should paid the penalties to hiers of sulu and leave the sabah return to the rightful owner
Short explanation The history when SABAH came from or originality. ... In 1509 century the SABAH is part from north Borneo . Means belong to Brunei until in 1600 century there is a civil WAR in the territory of Brunei and ask help to the Sultanate of SULU . And as a token . The small land the parcel of north Borneo now SABAh to Sultanate of SULU. And in 1768 century . The British Company of north Borneo rent the SABAH of Sultanate of SULU. .. so how the Malaysian Government prove to the international court that SABAH is belong to them. In the first place the SABAH is being rented by British Company since 1768. While the Malaysia and Singapore form in 1963. Ok ba malinaw Ang explanation natin.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Lol, this one is groping. After having lost in the arguments, try now to bully (discipline? Lol) the lawyers & the judge? The journalists present should have thrown a tomato to his face for pretending he knew what he was saying hahaha
Why Malaysia in the first place when was created dated 1963 still insist that Sabah is theirs where there is a claim from the owner which is sultanate of sulu, are you a land grabber?
Go read up on the case. The sulu sultan in 1879 has signed an agreement to lease that piece of land (sabah) to the Britrish Crown at that point of time in perpetuity. Do you understand what in perpetuity means?
The Malaysian's have greatly benefited from Sabah, Billions of US$ worth every single year. Now, they are kind enough to pay the rightful owners, Sultan of Sulu, about one kilo of Horse Manure, every single year. Now with this knowledge, put yourself in their shoes, asked yourself, are you gonna give it up? I Do not think so. My Personal opinion, Malaysia, will never, ever follow the International Arbitration Court ruling against them, even if they are one of the signatory. Question is, what will the International Arbitration Court and the Philippine Government Do?
Malisya Gov. Invented that Agreement Becouse n Realllty No Agreement to Sultanate of Sulu or to the Philippines Republic.. British company give to take to Pay Sultanate of Sulu Clear that Malisyan or British Company only Rent that Land to Sultanate or to Philippines Republic no Agreement to the real Owner Between sultanate of Sulu to Malisyan Gov. Take SABA n Your Dream Only.. that Why Philippines Republic Win that Case Becouse What ever you Do! No Agreement SABA give to Malisya Only Rent that Land..Now that Land need our Country to be Part of our Republic that Many Years Malisya Grab the Natural Resources stole to our Republic that or Country benefits all of that!
@@mayfoo02 even before that contract the rightful owner of sabah is the sultanate of sulu thats the gift of sultan of Brunei to sultan of sulu to help them wiped out the rebellion inside Brunei until the sulu became the center trade and even before that contract that British gave to Malaysia after the world war 2. FYI
@@mayfoo02 in your statement lease it means rent so if you lease you need to pay right?? And if you say lease meaning their is an owner who collect the lease so meaning your country is not the owner of sabah and you recognize it and so your country the heiress of sulu sultanate are trying to collect that payment why your country are trying to dismissed that claims??
Malaysia is a signatory to the New York Convention as of 5.11.1985, hence an arbitral award from Malaysia is enforceable in more than 161 countries which are contracting states to the New York Convention., what is he talking about.
why u said that malaysia should pay the heirs of sulu about the rental payment which started since 1878 agreement between the heirs of sultan of sulu and u are turning around what decision of international court regarding this matter.i dont think malaysia can do anything in this case as far as court decision is final,better for malaysia to pay what is due for the m or else they will pay double the amount of penalties that incrued to them,sabah historically belongs to sultan of sulu date back from time immorial period.its not belong to malaysia which is started onli during british mistakenly given the authority to form a federal state now cold malaysia from 1963 onli'
Malaysian should not include Sabah when they form the Federation of Malaysia in 1963 because there is an existing Contract between the Sulu Sultanate and the British North Borneo Company. This dispute is a results of Conspiracy and Manipulation.
are you kidding us are you a lawyer really ??? you cannot just ignore international court because malaysia is party to that just face the consequences !!
If their is no arbitration then, how come malaysia took over sabah because their is no clause to transfer it too. British government don't own sabah to give it away
There was no forum shopping because Spanish Arbitration Court denied their case and after that they went to France wherein the court issued judgment in their favour.
No there was no forum shopping here.its logical that heirs of sultan of sulu should first goto spain because the sultan of sulu that time submitted themselves to the authority of spain.
Ayon Kay Attorney Thomas France International court rulling panalo Ang Sultonado ng Sulo Phil's.Hindi pwedi ignren ng Malaysia mga ariarian ng Malaysia kumpidkahin lalaki Ang kanilang pagkakautang sa Sultonado ng Sulo
A Contract of Lease is a Contract, it doesn't matter what language you use as long as the basic element of contract is there. The mere fact that malaysia has been paying sulu for decades legitimizes the agreement. Is this clown a real lawyer? my goodness. Anyway what do you expect from LAND GRABBER, HONOR???????????
Guess what? It's payback time Malaysia. You exploited so much wealth in Sabah, deporting the native Filipino Tausug's. You deprived them of liberty, no benefits, health care and education. Indeed, Divine Justice been served. 144 years of injustice to the native Filipino Tausug's and look who's in bad shape now? Hahaahahhaa, you've done so much inhumane Malaysia. Just hand over Sabah. You cannot win this malaysia.
Spain colonize the philippines and Spain knows that Sabah is belong to the philippines.we have documents in Philippines and Spain about Sabah case.sabah is belong to the Philippines.sabah never sell Sabah to British or malaysia.malaysia take advantage of claiming the territory of the Philippines
@@EBestLetterE5 Are you dumb and idiot.sabah is own by sultan of sulu.what is the reason Malaysia is paying rent?meaning they never own the land.there's land lord own the land.we are claiming what is ours enough Malaysian interference in war in Mindanao because of Sabah issue
The best thing to do now is for the Sultanate of Sulu to take the arrears on the lease, and take back the land and its assets together with the citizens living in the area. It has been documented that many Filipinos were and are still living in Sabah. Such Filipinos are constantly harassed by Malaysian police -- even imprisoned and deported. Some Filipinos born in the Sabah are without citizenship (no documents of being Filipinos). Eastern Sabah can be called the Autonomous State of Eastern Sabah, Sultanate of Sulu, Philippines. How do you like that?
For me its enough that Malaysian Government enjoy the fruit of many years ago and its time to returned back to the lawful owner of Sabah which the SULTANATE OF SULU HEIRS.
The land is out of the question only the cession/ceded compensation money of RM5300. You cannot simply take a sovereign country use your brain 🤭🤭🤭. By your logic, Brunei also can take Luzon & Manila because it was their land before the spanish came
@@namazlur78 Malaysia is a sovereign nation.. Sabah us a leased property in which Malaysia took on with back in 63.. That is why Malaysia was paying all thise time.. Who ever live in sabah that wants to be with Malaysia can aLways go to Malaysia. But Sabah the land .still has to go back to the rightful owner... It is not the Sultans fault that Malaysia got you all involved with hiw Malaysia tiled yo tge people of Sabah... If y you live in Sabah and want to be with Malaysia... Then go to Malaysia...
I don't see a reason why Malaysia should entertain this bunch of filippinos. They've tried with China and they got kicked hard..Now they're yet back again here,picking and hitting Malaysia below the belt.What a shameless nation? proudly going around demanding money from something that doesn't belongs to them historically..Behaving as though they're involved in the development of Sabah,all this while. In fact they have done nothing, they're considered as scavenger always waiting for something to come by..They couldn't even solve and get rid of Abu sayyaf. No wonder US refuse to assist Philippines government and their Army with the latest technology weapons to defeat Abu sayyaf. I believe the US government knew they're up to no good if they get they're hands on those weapons.
Thomas and those people around him thinks he is too smart as to what he is doing right now by putting his insights and reasons for arbitration. Good job for trying to look like God, Thomas. This is like putting your self as pariah. Your name can be very well remembered topnotch later to the added bonus fiasco it may create in the history of Malaysian parliament.
Because so simple give the SABA to Philippines Republic or Sultane of Sulu! Malisya stole the Resorses that Philippines much benefit of SABA natural Resources.. Malisyan Gov. Have no Ivedents or any thing that Sight of Agreement between Malisya n Philippines Republic(becouse Sultanet of Sulu Part of Philippines kindom) that Philippines give SABA to Malisya so Clear that Malisya only Pay To Rent That Land.. Now Our Country Need that Land to be Part of Our Republic SABA God Law n International Law Belong to Philippines Republic.. So Clear that Taht why our Country always Win to the Court of the World!
@@johnphilipespiloy3361 A judge in France that far overstepped boundaries, not even arbitrated in Sabah. Mind you the Spanish arbitrator was ordered by his own court to stop. "We … Sultan of Sulu … hereby grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London as representatives of a British Company … forever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands …" Forever and in perpetuity, and no part of the agreement states this is forfeited even if the payment stops. Sultans of Sulu got dumped into a bad deal lmao.
@@YSG39 a contract may be invalidated when one party violates the terms and conditions stated in it. You need not state it expressly in the contract. That is always considered part of a contract. So many ridiculous arguments popping up to defend Malaysia's ridiculous claim.
@@rainieresguerra4780 Actually you do have to state it, it basic requirement of a good contract. Nothing goes unspoken like you said , which suggests you haven't been involved with any kind of contract dispute, drafting or discussion "This agreement is forfeit if payment is not made" or something of this kind is needed for your point. There isn't, instead it says "forever and in perpetuity". My question is why are so many Filipinos commenting on a malaysian new portal video?
To those Malaysians who believe that Sulu Sultanate ceded Sabah and some additional islands in the 1903 confirmatory agreement, as opposed to just confirming the lease of 1878. Dr. Stampa goes over this argument and comes to the conclusion that Sabah couldn't have been ceded because the "government of British Borneo" mentioned in the 1903 agreement is not a state with sovereignty, to wit: "The 1903 Confirmatory Deed referred «…to the Government of British Borneo…», as the supposed transferee of the territory of North Borneo. The expression «…the Government of British Borneo…» deserves attention. The first aspect to be highlighted is the reference to an undefined entity known as «…British Borneo…». The Protectorate Agreement -signed on May 12, 1888- officially referred to the territory of North Borneo as the State of North Borneo.223 This official denomination remained until 1946. But the Protectorate Agreement does not mention any form of State officially named or known as «…British Borneo…» -as referred in the 1903 Confirmatory Deed- and therefore «…British Borneo…» cannot be characterised either as a subject of international law, or an acquiring State. The second aspect to be emphasised is the use of the term «…Government…» in the 1903 Confirmatory Deed. Under the Protectorate Agreement, the British North Borneo Company would continue to manage the territory without inferences and could call upon the support of the Royal Navy and the British Army should any European power have attempted to or seized control over the territory.224 This recognition is consistent with certain relevant facts that occurred prior to the signature of the 1903 Confirmatory Deed." (snip) "Thus, the Arbitrator is of the view that Respondent's alleged permanent cession of sovereignty over North Borneo under the 1903 Confirmatory Deed, while eventually made by a sovereign ruler such as the Sultanate of Sulu, did not involve a State as a transferee of the territory of North Borneo. The British Borneo referred therein did not exist as an international person, nor did it have any Government. Since May 12, 1888, the State of North Borneo -on which the British Government assumed no sovereign rights whatsoever- was admittedly «…administered by the Company styled the British North Borneo Company…». The British North Borneo Company was a chartered company. A chartered company is an association with investors or shareholders that is incorporated and granted rights (often exclusive rights) by royal charter (or similar instrument of government) for the purpose of trade, exploration, and/or colonization. The granting of the Royal Charter permitted the British North Borneo Company, as a private Company, to administer the State of North Borneo under the conditions provided by the Royal Charter. Hence, the British North Borneo Company had two main responsibilities in return for annual payments made by its shareholders: the economic development through the exploitation of natural resources of the area, purported to producing dividends; and the protection of local religions, customs and rights of its residents, including the commitment to abolish slavery and to cede its foreign relations to Britain to administer. Following the opinion of Sir Michael Hicks Beach, previously quoted, «…it is highly objectionable that sovereign rights should be exercised by a private Company…».228 Therefore, the 1903 Confirmatory Deed cannot be characterised as an international treaty. It did not embrace a bilateral transaction between two States to cede with a permanent character the sovereignty over territory of North Borneo by the then Sultan of the State of Sulu in favour of the British North Borneo Company, as transferee. The British North Borneo Company, a private entity, cannot be considered a subject of international law, or an acquiring State."
*MANILA ACCORD (PERJANJIAN MANILA) 5 Agustus 1963* Yg ditanda tangani oleh: 1. Tengku Abdurrahman (Malaysia) 2. Diosdado Macapagal (Philipina) 3. Ir. Soekarno (Indonesia) Isi Perjanjian: Sesuai dg konteks Lampiran Resolusi Majelis Umum 1541 (XV), angka 4 prinsip 9, serta pendapat Sekretaris Jenderal PBB atau United Nation (waktu itu jawatan dipegang oleh Bhutan); ketiga negara Malaysia, Philipina & Indonesia bersepakat utk menunggu penentuan nasib sendiri atas hasil pemilihan umum (referendum suara rakyat) Sabah & Sarawak tanpa paksaan. Rencana pemungutan suara rakyat Sabah & Sarawak ini ditetapkan beberapa pilihan: a. memilih bergabung dg Malaysia atau b. memilih bergabung dg Philipina atau c. memilih bergabung dg Indonesia atau d. memilih mendirikan negara sendiri. Tapi, MALAYSIA MELANGGAR PERJANJIAN & MENGABAIKAN ARAHAN PBB (UNITED NATION) dg MENGUMUMKAN NEGARA PERSEKUTUAN MALAYSIA PD TANGGAL 16 SEPTEMBER 1963, SEBELUM PEMUNGUTAN SUARA RAKYAT SABAH & SARAWAK DILAKSANAKAN !!! Ini menimbulkan kemarahan dua negara, sehingga tahun itu (1963) Philipina & Indonesia memustuskan hubungan diplomatik dg Malaysia yg diiringi konflik Ganyang Malaysia. Menurut HUKUM INTERNASIONAL, PEMILIKAN SUATU WILAYAH BARU UTK SUATU NEGARA WAJIB DIDASARKAN OLEH HASIL SUARA RAKYAT SETEMPAT (REFERENDUM), & JIKA TIDAK ADA HASIL SUARA RAKYAT, MAKA PEMILIKAN WILAYAH DIPUNYAI OLEH PEMILIK SEBELUMNYA. Kalau pemilik sebelumnya adalah Sultan Sulu, maka wilayah Sabah masih dipunyai oleh Sultan Sulu (British tidak memiliki wilayah Sabah, tapi hanya menyewa sesuai perjanjian).
To all claimer pino TROLL here, read this history first b4 claim sabah is ph in ur wet dream. Sabah as known as borneo is made of 3 diferent countries, Brunei, Indonesia n Malaysia, the right owner of sabah is sultan brunei n he give it part of borneo to sultan sulu n after sultan sulu jamalul kiram die in 1936 n not have any direct male heirs, british take over sabah, n yes filipina almost sucsess to claim sabah in 1962 after self proclaimer name Esmail E Kiram I give right to presiden diostado to claim sabah, but i think (PBB) disclaim they claim bec unsure real sultan sulu heirs or not, in 1963 british ceding sabah to malaysia n malaysia keep paying rm5300 to this self pro claimer sultan as disputed state (not rental) n in 1989 Philipina dropped all they claim in sabah to restore diplomatic realition between KL n PH 👍 In year 2013 after jamallul kiram III (Esmail E Kiram 1 son) attack sabah, malaysia gove (Najib Razak) stop give rm5300 a year to sulu heirs bec they already violate the term (mahathir mohamad said) i dont know what term their promise, In a 2017 sulu heirs claimant letter to british court but Foreign & Commonwealth Office rejected the Sulu claimants’ request to appoint an arbitrator due to reasons such as the claimants’ unclear identity, and suggested they take up their claim directly to the Malaysian government. In 2018 after Najib Razak gov (BN) fall n new gove P.akatan H.arapan era begin, in this P.akatan H.arapan include mahathir mohamad who first also BN gove join PH gove they all is a enemy of najib razak, at that time AG thommy thomas send letter to sulu heirs said he regret with najib razak gov stop paying annual cession money even know what happen in 2013. in feb 2022 sulu heir win in french court (not valid) bec using false letter made by thommy thomas to them, now my new gov already take action about thomy thomas mistake n the change to win is HIGH👍
Why are they are asking this guy? His letter and book what gave the Sulu heirs 'sth to tell' during the arbitration. They should ask the ex AG from Sabah.
@@xensored03 I has already invalidated the agreement by ruling penalties for default. Does this mean as of date the Malaysian Government is the world s biggest squatter?
If you Malaysian don't follow the arbitration agreements , just pay the 15 billion dollars to the Sultanate of Sulu and continue the payment of rentals to the Sultanate of Sulu ! Remember Malaysia , you don't owned Sabah !
@@johnphilipespiloy3361 yes that's true ! If he stop the rent of Sabah from Malaysia the problem will end so easily , Sana nga bitawan na Ng Malaysia ang Sabah ! Kumita na sila Ng trillions sa Sabah !
English version why should Malaysia rent from the sultan? If Malaysia is the owner of Sabah why did they rent to the sulu sultan who is a Filipino citizen, and then the contract was not followed? Malaysian version kenapa malaysia sewa dari sultan? Jika malaysia pemilik sabah kenapa mereka menyewa kepada sulu sultan yang merupakan warga filipino, kemudian kontrak itu tidak diikuti?
Its not rent you idiot the sultan ceded/surrender the territory bangang In which the payment of RM5300 per years only. So small. Then pagpag went overboard gone to 14B hahahha. What a joke and funny case. How a rm5300 worth of contract become 14 B only santa claus can explain 🤣🤣🤣.
You should respect the arbitration award. It's final and executory. From the very start, Sabah is part of the Sultanate of Sulu, which is now part of the Philippines.
"We … Sultan of Sulu … hereby grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London as representatives of a British Company … forever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands …" Nah, also the agreement has a "no arbitration" clause which you people keep forgetting. So the Spanish arbitrator took the an illegal arbitration to France when ordered by his own court to stop, if this isn't final to the arbitrator why should we take anything as final? Then he decides the arbitration rewards? Lmao
@Axel TV My mistake, it turns out even the Paris court deemed the arbitration illegitimate. Our ministers were slow on the job but the appeal was so easy.
The Phillipine should pay compensation to Malaysian government due to attack and massacres done by Sultanate of Sulu few years ago despite Malaysia annually pay that rm5k according to the contract since Sulu is part of Phillipines
@Chairman Xi JinPooh "In case any dispute shall arise between His Highness the Sultan" not arbitration, dispute. Dispute has to be done in public courts, arbitration has to be agreed by both parties to settle outside court. The agreement does not mention arbitration, and Malaysia never agreed to arbitration so no arbitration should have happened. Which is why the public courts of 2 countries ordered Stampa to cease arbitration, which he ignored.
@@andrewlim4890 oh c’mon dude, delete your comment coz you just make yourself look stupid in the comment section. Non sense and baseless comments are rants of people who doesn’t even know the real issue and stand of Malaysia. Poor little dude. You may now cry hahahaha 🥴😂🤣 From Sabah Philippines
Not engaging to any arbitration simply means being guilty
exactly...malaysia knows the documents and the facts are not on their side so why subject themselves to total defeat? this way they can claim they did not present their side and call the ruling one-sided....well, it's called defaulting on your case...hahaha
@@zekefister8294 Not true. This case can be won if Malaysia will quickly & openly appoint a team of lawyers, that can fight in international courts. Tommy gave good suggestions. It's a matter of what Malaysia thinks is important to do first...
@@Psalm131Psalm1 Too little too late...Malaysia already lost the arbitration...the ruling is final and can be enforced already...latest news articles say the sulu sultanate lawyers have filed court documents in the Netherlands to seize Malaysian assets there...😁
@@zekefister8294 Beg to differ. The decision can be challenged in various ways; have some hope. The trouble is Malaysia is not focussing on things that matter. We await PH's return, this time with QUALITY nominees as we will vote for the candidate this time & not the party, if their candidates are hopeless. We want candidates with good track records who can build the nation.
@@Psalm131Psalm1 You can beg to differ all you want. However, your legal or political opinions are irrelevant and do not carry any weight of enforcement action. Unlike, of course, the arbitrator's legal opinion which ruled against Malaysia's position regarding Sabah.
All contracts, new or old, whether arbitration clause is absent, and under dispute, is still subject to arbitration and the more it needs the mechanism of arbitration. So it's stupid to reason out that there was no arbitration clause. It only tells that you are looking for an alibi, or a means to escape.
Besides, the violation or breach of contract was since the time the land of Sabah was handed over by the British illegally to the Federation of Malaya in 1963. Another breach of contract is the appropriation of Sabah's natural resources, violating the purpose of lease which is to serve as "trading post" only.
So you are deeply screwed. No matter how you tumble it up and down, you are in great trouble. No matter which court you go, Malaysia cannot win.
Malaysia dont want to attend any of the Court proceedings because they know they will lose.
😅😁 Malaysia kalah atas dasar tipis bahawa apa yang mereka bicarakan tidak disokong oleh dokumen undang-undang. Malaysia menjadi bahan ketawa kerana alasan yang lemah, sehingga takut untuk menghadapi isu tersebut dalam timbang tara..🤪
@@eduardoiiigo3932 Yun ang akala mo. Hindi basta maghuhusga yung hukom sa pransya kung walang basehan. Hindi mga tanga yung gumawad ng hatol.
@@clarkwayne3440 bakit ano bang sinabi ko?
Correct!!
he started saying "in my opinion" ... makes the argument invalid.
He cant assure certainty because thats like telling the arbitration is all wrong so everyone involved in the arbitration would become his enemy. He basically telling what malaysian govt should do and distancing himself from the mess like he is not part of it. Youd know what he will say the moment he entered the room. See how he can smile with such a huge problem.
Him explaining what sulu heirs did shopping for
courts in their favor then advicing own govt to make the same move to go shop their own court in favor of them is more like giving false hope. I dont think the british would want this issue on their court as they have involvement in the issue and once again also a goldmine for british reporters.
If petronas really is a private entity then things can go south again like opening pandoras box, even if you protect assets but not fix the root problem youll just keep on giving birth to more problems. The debt is still there and a govt entity becoming a private one will definitely be a huge scandal making it a goldmine for all reporters. Either petronas lose asset or lose integrity. If its a private fortune 500 company an endless question will ensue not to mention malaysian people got dumb founded again.
Well actually the whole world gets dumbfounded and the courts wont take lightly on that one. Either the govt lied to the world from the beginning about petronas or the govt changed petronas into a private one just to save those seized assets.
hahaha
good point
In my view in my opinion cant win in the court
@@dennybetios4943 Hahahaha my goodness YOU'RE talking nonsense 🤣
Some of us do not want arbitrations and court hearings especially if you feel you cannot win
Yes..Definitely it's that so call Sultanate of Sulu.
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 Perhaps you do not understand the point. Sultanate of Sulu already won the case. The world is watching MY next actions.
@@juanloh1902 Do you for once thinks we're all illiterate.?. Show us the proof. We would love to read them too..Let me tell you this..If you unable to proof to your claims?... You've just proof to the world that you bunch of filippinos are mostly liar's.
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 Please review your assignment so you don't guess the answer, you just look stupid.
@@juanloh1902 You missed the point, an arbitration is not a case to win it is more similar to a settlement outside court. A dispute would be case through court but Sulu does not want to do this. Malaysia did not attend the arbitration because arbitration was not mentioned as a means to settle dispute in the 1878 agreement and the definition of arbitration requires BOTH parties to enter, therefore the arbitration is illegal. This is why both Spanish court and Paris court ordered the arbitrator (Stampa) to stop after Malaysia objected. But Sulu counsel and Stampa ignored and they jumped from country to country so Stampa can give Sulu a large award.
The proper route is to raise the dispute (not arbitration) in the High Courts of Sabah, where the agreement is naturally relevant to.
In fact it would've been an easy win for Sulu if they raised the dispute to the High Courts of Sabah, Malaysia unjustifiably stopped payment in 2013. Tommy Thomas recognized this and offered to pay the outstanding amount from 2013 - 2019 (when he wrote to the Sulu counsel), then adding 10% interest on top to settle the dispute. But Sulu and its counsel refused this seemingly so Sulu can be awarded an unfair amounts of money in illegal arbitration.
Mind you the Spanish public prosecutor filed a criminal complaint against Stampa for serious contempt of court and professional intrusiveness due to this. The Criminal Court of Madrid has commenced a criminal investigation in relation to these complaints. Appeals from Malaysia to set aside arbitrations have been swiftly granted too.
The matter that you are paying for lease, and you enjoy, then you stop paying and claiming its yours alredy is the big mistake!
on point
Agree.. his acting smart but literally idiot😂
If Malaysia ignored the claims in my analysis and opinion, then Malaysia suffers so sad consequences.
Yep they will be considered by world and outlaw and stubborn Malaysia
Malaysia should put that 'sultan' sulu in jail for killing our police officers when they illegally attacked sabah last time!
@@kilometer6712 Malaysia should put that 'sultan' sulu in jail for killing our police officers when they illegally attacked sabah last time!
Do sultanate of sulu exist nowadays. I don't see any coronation practices over the news or media?
@@thebrightlord7973 Sultanate of Sulu still exist. Kiram family is a ligetimate royal family. But other relatives claim also the same.
Ignore the award and suffer the consequences even harder later. Period.
ha ha ha...sucks to be malaysia
Mr. Tommy Thomas, It is you who does not want to accept the true meaning 1878 Deed of Lease agreement. If Malaysia will bring the case to the court of England, the British will be obliged accept any documents (such as maps, books, etc.) published by the British in 19th century proving that the larger portion of Sabah is indeed belong to the territory of the Sultan of Sulu...Moreover, Because of advancement of technology today, the entire world will definitely know how the British Empire illegaly seized the larger territory of the Sultan of Sulu over Sabah by distorting the true meaning of 1878 Deed of Lease Agreement...
Justice serve it's final and exsecutory,!!
A judge in France that far overstepped boundaries, not even arbitrated in Sabah.
Mind you the Spanish arbitrator was ordered by his own court to stop.
@@YSG39 3 words..
Restrictive sovereign Immunity....
@@daleedwardjabonero2008 Sorry I'm not sure what you mean here, mind elaborating?
In fact my first reply here is wrong. The Paris court did order the arbitrator to cease, which the arbitrator ignored.
Appeal and stay of execution was granted by the Paris court of appeal acknowledging and to protect Malaysia's interests, sovereign immunity and sovereignty.
Good luck to you guys. Your greediness to a property you dont owned will sink country. Accept the reality and move forward. How can you deny the yearly rent you are paying? That is a true fact.
That is your opinion mr thomas but better speak in front of the ICJ
Malaysia cannot accept the reality that by facts and evidences testified by Spain Arbitration - from earlier decades of years that Sabah (Borneo) is own by the Sultanate of Sulu. Through the collaboration of British Company they manipulate the resources of Sabah without acknowledging the rights of Sultan of Sulu and payments are taken-up negligence and irresponsible. UN Lawful records provides the legitimate ownership by Sultan of Sulu. Sabah has to return to the heirs of Sultan of Sulu and rightfully abide to ruling of Arbitration.
No more Arguments the decision of the international court is final . Malaysia Goverment must pay 15 billion dollars to the heirs of Sultanate of SULU .. .
Mr. Thomas you are contributing problem to Malaysia and Sulu Sultanate about Sabah. For the leased agreement of it 1878.
The arbitration award is final and executory throughout the 168 countries and it never revoke by higher court if the higher courts revoke in favor of Malaysia that judgement may demoralize the justice system of the whole countries in the world and people may take the law into their hands be without respecting the fundamental law of the land. Hope the arbitration award would continue enforceable to awaken the oppressor country to the weak individual.
MILF MNLF And Arm forces of the Philippines is not weak when they fight Malaysian.
If there is no arbitration clause in the 1878 agreement, then why did TT write the letter agreeing to pay the back arrears in rent? It was his letter that gave the Sultanate of Sulu new impetus to file claims on Sabah. Why don't TT show us the letter he wrote if he has nothing to hide?
It's sultanate of Sulu have nothing to hide about the truth , that he really owned Sabah
First he is no longer the attorney general and has no access to the documents.
Second it's not rent, it's compensation for "We … Sultan of Sulu … hereby grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London as representatives of a British Company … forever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands …"
Forever and in perpetuity, and no part of the agreement states this is forfeited even if the payment stops. Sultans of Sulu got duped into a bad deal lmao.
The Spanish court ordered the Spanish arbitrator to stop, so he brought the case to France. Paris court ALSO ordered him to stop and said the arbitration is illegitimate but the arbitrator decided to award anyway. Mind you this isn't even arbitrated in Sabah when it is central, the court in France has no business ruling about anything pertaining to our country.
@@YSG39 it is a lease agreement not a sell out that is why they have to pay the sultan in perpetuity do not twist the facts !!
these are international arbitration court whrein malaysia is a party also
@@lazrozazdthird
The Sulu has only argued about the word "padjak", and almost nothing else in the agreement.
"Forever and in perpetuity", "Compensation" not rent, "five thousand dollars" are all crystal clear. Nothing to twist.
Then there is 1903 Confirmation Deed which uses the word "menyerahkan" which means surrender instead of padjak.
It is the Sulu that wants to twist it.
Both the Spanish and France court actually deemed the arbitration as illegitimate.
There was an arbitration clause during the 1878 agreement in jawi script agreement . That's the reason why the heirs of the Sulu Sultanate have won the case
There is not ,lol can you even read Jawi to claim that?
Even according to multiple translations there isn't.
Nonsense
@@YSG39 so why the hiers of sultanate of sulu won this case.???
@@noelmausisa5192They didn't win a case. Arbitration is not a court case, it is more similar to settling out of court.
Spanish court at first appointed Stampa to do the arbitration, then when Malaysia pointed out the agreement didn't allow for arbitration, Spanish court ordered Stampa to stop, but he ignored it and brought the case to Paris who didn't know about the objection. When objected to Paris they ALSO agreed and ordered Stampa to stop arbitration, which was again ignored.
Normally arbitrators have to step down but the way Stampa acted to remain as the arbitrator is like having the referee as your friend so can he rule in your favor no matter what, which betrays the idea of having a neutral arbitrator.
@@YSG39 stampa wants money
The verdict of the arbitration court is final and binding and there's nothing more to do. That's the sad reality that you have to accept and we are talking about the 163 member countries. Perhaps you can prevent UK to allow the seizure of your assets if ever you have something there but you cannot prevent other countries to do the same😁 and the saddest reality of all is Malaysia does not own Sabah and it needs to be handed over to the Philippines just like Hongkong when it was handed over to China.
As the saying goes.. Filippinos,love day dreaming..🤣😅
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 our dreams are realized but for you its gonna be a nightmare 😂
@@littlesparrow1284 Do you seriously think anyone is actually buying into your ridiculous threats?.Why don't you Grow up and stop acting like a kid. Instate of wasting your time threatening others,why don't you spend your time advising your illegal filippinos bro and sis who is loitering in Sabah( Malaysia🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾) illegally to please return immediately, before they'll be caught and sent to jail. After serving their sentence?..They'll be deported back to the country where you're in right now!!
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 Kuala Lampa will be poor soon..
@@fodera0915 After I give you one Tampar la.🤣🤣😂😂
If I own the land and lease it to somebody and he did not pay even 1 month of lease, the owner of the land has the right to arbitrate it to the courts of law even though there is no clause to arbitrate in the signed agreement. What Kind of a lawyer are you?
It's not good analogy. Even if you used that analogy, most of state government had the authority to take over the land with legal path. For example, in SG, the state can take over the land legally with or without reasonable compensation.
It wasn’t rental its ceded.
COMFIRMATION by Sultan of Sulu of Cession of Certain Islands. (Translation)
WE, the Sultan of Sulu, state with truth and clearness that we have ceded to the Government of British North Borneo of our own pleasure all the islands that are near the territory of North Borneo from Banguey Island as far as Sibuco Bay. These are the names of them: Muliangin, Muliangin Kechil, Malawali, Tegabu, Bilian, Tegaypil, Lang Kayen, Boan, Lehiman, Bakungan, Bakungan Kechil, Libaran, Taganack, Beguan, Mantanbuan, Caya, Omadal, Si Amil, Mabol, Kepalai, Dinawan, and the other islands that are situated alongside, or round or between the islands that are above- mentioned.
This is done because the names of the islands were not mentioned in the Agreement made with Baron de Overbeck and Mr. Alfred Dent on the 19th Maharam, 1295, corresponding with the 22nd January, 1878, It was known and understood between the two parties that the islands were included in the cession of the districts and islands mentioned in the above- stated Agreement.
NOW because what is above written is true and certain, we have set our seal to this notification. Made at Sandakan the 22nd April, 1903.
@@namazlur78 then why don't you offer that argument to the courts of law? Help your landgrabber Malaysian gov't to win
@@neiltacusalme5343 uuu go cry to your sulu lord. Cry baby :p
@@namazlur78 in some explanation the original language used in the contract says "leased/rent" but a who knows where it came from lawyer or whatsoever directly translated it to "ceded" when handing down the contract. and the contract also stated a amount w/c is. 5000 Mexican gold pieces to be paid to the landowner per annum "forerver in the end of time". why should u pay 5000 per year if its already yours? are you dumb?
The more you delays the decision the more you get nothing or loss everything in sabah.
Malacan territory of the Philippines...?
the more you fight, the more you will realise Sabah recognised by U.N as part of Sulu, the more you claim, the more you realise MAPHILINDO agreement
and you will realise Dr Stampa decision rejected by Madrid High Court, and so Paris Court too
@@fadhlili2599 there are still 166 countries to go... However you do know that the hold is about the seizure not the claim of Sabah...
Fadhli kindly use your knowledge to understand the truth about this issue Malaysia is always denied about it ever since now what your country has get ashamed to the people and the world. My advice to you Is that let your government forms a deligation panel to talk to the sultanate of Zulu and the government of the Philippines, you will have a peace of mind rather than playing like innocent but deep inside its a monster try to grab the land which does not belongs to your country.
In his speech, TT accepts that sabah belong to the descendants of the sultanate of sulu. He cannot accept the arbitration award
Who cares about tommy thomas.. he is nobody
If they will continue to disobey the court, may there will be a large downfall in there stock that will happen.
A lawyer who actually believes in the inviolability of contracts. Amazing!
Amazing?.. why?.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he is a bad news
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 because he is a man of integrity, uses his mind to discern which is right and wrong. How about you?
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 why ask amazing... dont you have any question that has value.... asking amazing is total stupidity
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 asking amazing is stupidity.... dont you have any other question with sense
The international court should ignire malaysia they dont have the rights to claim sabah
Contempt order??? Really??? Oh c'mon. You haven't learned your lesson Malysians. You already what happened when you did not pay since 2013 and now you want to do it again??? Ohhh, this will definitely favor the Sulu Sultanate heirs and will put you in bad light in the International scene.
2013 ? Owh yeah terrorist attack...tell them they can try again and malaysia army will bomb them again haha...
Malaysian government is guilty ,pay your debt now...and make sure you have to pay it in full for anything else pay it in Gcash...
Jurisdiction? Why are you afraid to face the arbitration process. 🤣😂😅
why u afraid to read the deed of confirmtion agreement 1903?
Arbitration is not a court judgement... it is when 2 parties cannot have an agreement so arbitration will take place, as a neutral party. It take place to shorten the court and legal process. It shall be done in a court itself not arbitration process. Arbitration is just a give and take process ... Like a divorce cases, arbitration came to assist in these cases, but when parties cannot agrees ... court/judge will make decision. We should reject it as we haven't agreed to it in the first place. Arbitration shall be agreed by both parties ...
Why is Malaysia in deep problem today because of this issue? 😁🤣
Whatever argument , still you (Malaysia) need to resolve the14.9B dollar problem.
@Toodler _cute Malaysians in internet act like they know everything.. lol so don't be surprised if they surpassed some best lawyers. Only here on the internet of course.. 🤣🤣
Shame on greed Malaysia Remember ,just Renting the place yet failure to pay the rent is a bad wrong doing Sultanate of Sulu the real Owner
Sulu's current claimant is based on Tommy's letter. Tommy validates their claim by issuing such letter of admiting Malaysian Gov made mistate
It's not only that, it was based on the treaty signed by north Borneo company and was illegally moved to Malaysia to continue the annual payment
Actually we've been validating their claim for the past 100 years when we were paying them up until 2013.
@@zedetach I never ever encountered buying a land and owned it but continually paying it for eternity, only in Malaysia
@@neiltacusalme5343 Even we Malaysians had no idea 😂
When the idiot didn't update his idiocy, it will suffer his idiocy
Landgrabbers usually resort to technicalities to get their way.
Well, you mention the 1878 agreement. There were *NO* clause *in* *the* *agreement* to transfer North Borneo to Malaysia. That was formed in the 1963.
The lease agreement is a commercial transaction. You deftly skipped rent. Let the arbitrator decide on your *atrocious* *action* .
The court had concluded. Pay the arrears plus interest. And prepare to be *EVICTED* .
sulu decendant and their fake sultans has no right on sabah anymore when they was abolish by macros. unless phi government return their power back which is a no no. so no one is getting any more sabah money or get evicted. also, most migrant sulu phi work and stay in sabah and prefer retain the status quo compare to the phi government who make their life harder under wild wild west regime of duterte and macros. if phi taking back sabah, all thing that they trying to get away will come back. so no thanks. sulu can stay abolished.
Lol it ceded territory and the 1903 agreement removes any ambiguity. And there’s the madrid protokol 1885 where Spain relinquished its territory to British including north borneo. The only proper place to settle this is the sabah high court as the successor of british north borneo government. This is included in the british parliament called the malaysia act. The philippine doesn’t have any rights to north borneo. The last sulu sultan died in 1936 without a successor so the sabah high court ordered the compensation payment to be divided between 8 relatives of the late sultan. Esmail kiram is not one of them 🤣🤣🤣. Keep on dreaming pinoy can go eat pagpag. Develop your miserable country first. Luzon and Manila also belongs to Brunei 🇧🇳
@@namazlur78 they all lost it when the Sulu heirs died. And they came up with made up heir. Why many Sultanate in ancient Philippines died out only retaining this "Sulu"? There's bigger ambitious around this motivation. It's not hard to read Pinoys mind after all
@@namazlur78 JUST ACCEPT THE FACT YOUR GOVERNMENT IS PROBLEMATIC NOW ABOUT 15BILION DOLLAR OF PAYMENT TO SULU HIERS LOL FAKK U
@@azuwan "Made up" i have heart attack reading this
The best thing malaysia should do is quit claim of sabah. Pay the unpaid rent. And that is best thing malaysia will do for the sake of peace. Or will cause harsher penalty
Malaysia failed to pay the lease for sabah in 7 years. Just give it back to the Philippines, Sabah belongs to Philippines and Sabah belongs to the sultanate of sulu heir.
do you still pay rent for tenant that no legally exist anymore? macros already abolish royal sulu. phi government will not want to bring them back.
@@jefferi78 It's legally exist lol. The arbitration court ordered malaysia to pay 14.96 billion usd to sultanate of sulu as compensation for failing pay the lease for sabah for 7 years. Sabah belongs to Philippines. Do research and read articles not just typing without further reading.
@@jefferi78 Abolish? Lol Stop spreading fake news. Philippine Government will claim it. Sabah belongs to Philippines. Malaysia just renting sabah lol.
@@antibobo0217 , look how phi government treat the sulu people. you think these people want to be part of it? sabah is good as it is. no one want phi gov. especially when the son of former dictactor running the country. stop using sulu for your greedy scam.
@@jefferi78 Are you sure? Lol. Sulu is part of Philippines. Don't bark old geezer. Malaysia is scared so called owner. Let karma do the rest for the Philippines.
Seriously U R making scapegoat Mr just to blame others bacause u didn’t do anything to defend the case! Thank u for underestimated or taking for granted the case!
Give Caesar what belongs to Caesar!!! Sabah has never been part of Malaysia. It paid rent for too long as it isn't theirs. It stopped paying in 2013. So it's proper to return its to its owner.
Non-payment of rental results in accumulation of rental expense furthermore intentional non-payment of such is recorded as bad debts. Eviction follows.
There no word rental in the grant and also nothing in the 1903 agreement. Its ceded territory. The payment of rm5300 is a compensation payment, a grace and mercy out of goodwill. The sulu ceded north borneo so he doesn’t have the sovereignty over north borneo anymore. And so as phillpine has no rights and no parts in this treaty was between the late sultan and british north borneo goverment.
@@namazlur78 there is no such thing as compensation pay for land grabbing, Malaysian government violated the 1878 contract, that's why the Petronas assets are seized, Malaysian government fucked up!
Read the history dumb dumb in 1962 the sultanate of sulu already gave the Land to the Philippine president macapagal, so the owner of sabah is the Philippines, stop denying the facts, we have documents proof, Malaysian government violated what was passed on by the British company that (RENTED) sabah, they fucked up so Malaysia will suffer
@@namazlur78 and why sulu sultanate win the case at International court???They have all the legal documents that Sabah is just renting so ICJ favors them
@@namazlur78 yes it is not rental it is Padjakan or LEASE.
This man keep using "In my opinion" and "in my view". Thus his argument has no value. If this man cannot fight back in court and can't back up his claims then he lose.
CongratuLation suLtanate of suLu ..sabah philippines🇵🇭
That is not right just to ignore a legitimate case issue, besides there
was a binding contract for lease for
a portion of North Borneo to the
British exploraton company.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
"International courts should have ignored Sulu claims as no arbitration clause, says Tommy Thomas." Then why the fcuk did you write the letter agreeing to pay the back arrears in rent??? You just incriminated yourself. This unilateral action without the knowledge and consent of the PM and his Cabinet is treason!
Because as much as it says "no arbitration", the agreement does mention payment as compensation for "grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London as representatives of a British Company … forever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands …"
It is out of goodwill, not rent.
@@YSG39 he should have not wrote that letter in the first place!!!
@@YSG39 it has just used as propaganda for the philippines!!! He, TOMMY THOMAS IS DUMB
@@muhammadaliffzulfikarabuba7999 The letter makes no difference. Malaysia has been paying the Sulu for over 50 years so Sulu has a point. It is because Najib's government stopped payment that Sulu sought counsel and is already on-going. Tommy Thomas basically tried pay the outstanding money according to 1878 Grant so they will stop making a case, which would have spared us from this mess.
Malaysia's paying annually to the heirs of sultanate of sulu is the biggest and concrete proof and evidence that Sabah is not their territory! And it is slapping truth to Malaysian people! Because the world knows that Sabah is a Philippines territory!
The British include Sabah in the newly formed Malaya Federation in 1963 in total disregard to its rightful owners.. The Sulu Sultanate
Malaysia did not accept the decision ? O,come on, the arbitration is final you much pay And return Sabha to the sultanate of sulu!!!
Respect the decision.
Neverrrrrrr 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@namazlur78 the malaysian govt shld respect the decision of the court in favor of the sulu heirs, not you brother. Take care. GOD bless you.
What goes around comes around and I really can't see some people liking the taste of their own medicine.
you are now hunted with your own mistake remember when a tief taking from otherˋs the bumerang will come hunted them back.
What mistake are you talking about to be precise ? Can you be specific? I just wonder if you actually know the facts of the case in the first place. If you don't i would advise you to read the details of the sulu claim in the special report on this matter in the edge. The details and the chronology of events are all there . When you don't know, don't try to be smart and shoot your mouth off just in case you get sued for libel!
@@mayfoo02 Just respect the court's judgment. Don't claim what isn't yours
Sulu Sultanate has been defunct for over 100 years. Can’t owe money to a company that is bankrupt or has been shut down
Because you inherited the leased agreement to pay annually after that company ceased to exist. Now... checkmate.
@@imranespinosa9276 That doesn’t make sense. But anyway, battle is not over. Check but not mate
Shame on Malaysia for not paying the rent 🤣🤣🤣
From the looks of it Malaysia is checkmate already and thinking of some dirty tactics even against the prosecutors right? Just settle the the amount prescribed by the arbitration court and once and for all sit down again with the Sultanate of Sulu for renegotiation of your perpetual lease …the PH government is just waiting and seeing your every move.
Maybe they’re going to try to fund another terrorist insurgency to distract the incumbent presidency so they can get away from the Sabah dispute! Too bad for them the Philippine Vice President, who strongly supports President Marcos’ advocacies, has Maranao blood. Her people greatly support her.
Malisya need the Ivedince that Sultanate of Sulu or Philippines Republic have a Agreement that SABA give to Malisya.taht so Easy Problem.. if no Sight of Agreement between Philippines Republic or sultanate of Sulu so Clear SABA n Malisya only Rent that Land to Philippines Republic or to the Sultanate of Sulu..
Thank you for the info and for butchering English grammar.. Well done.
we need also to know who give your name a malaysian country
Thank you! For Me in my Opinion anything Agreement with out the Owner have no Elegal form...
@@flybyphairforce4076 what are you saying dude
Haha how come the Sabah is own by Malaysia it's clear they are renting , for Soo long years sence they stop paying , the owner have right to seek justice , and all that amounth is the interest of the rent that they stop in ignored for several years , and really clear that just a rent Soo pay the arears and prepare of the eviction , in stop dreaming that is your ,,in the sultanate of sulu they are not claiming that they are a Malaysian citizen they stand that they are a pilipino ,
Is he the same lawyer who caused Malaysia to lose big time with the Sabah case? Trying to redeem himself but ends up making more mistakes.
Alhamdulilah syukur sgt2 dia ni xjd AG lg klau x mmg xda laaa kita menang brgaya dgn Sulu kt Spain France n Nederland .. klau dia AG mmg kalah teruk kita sbb dia ni suka kirim surat kt Kiram 😂😂 main surat menyurat dgn musuh 😡
there are documents.. titles and historical evidences that prove that the sultan of sulu indeed own Sabah.
and the court made a ruling which malaysia is signatory.. EVIDENCES ..what is legal and illegal is based on this..
why then malaysiA not honor the ruling.. and how much the sultan of sulu get? how much wealth malaysia get from sabah? is there a swindling issue here?
Additional comments . The original owner of SABAH is from Borneo now Brunei under sultan Bolkiah the present Sultane . Back in 1700 century . There is a civil war in the territory of Brunei in short the Sultanate of SULU help the Brunei to fight the rebel and as a token The SABAH give to Sultanate of SULU . Means a long time ago the SABAH is in the possession of Sultanate of SULU . Before the British arrived and enter into agreement to rent the SABAH to the Sultanate of SULU . Until they form the MALaysia as a country including Singapore. He he he very simple Explanation . Just like mathematics 1+1= 2.
You're once drive us away from the land you've never own...it's hurting when we claim it back as ours.
@@angelocastada1499 no more Arguments the decision of the international court of Justice ,base on the presentation of facts and Documents is final . The Malaysian Government must pay penalties and damages the amount of 15 billion pesos to the HEIRS of Sultanate of SULU.
Paragraph 3 states and I quote:
"... but the rights and powers hereby leased shall NOT BE TRANSFERRED TO ANY NATION, OR A COMPANY OF OTHER NATIONALITY, without the consent of Their Majestys' Government."
Lol which agreement? There are no clause in the 1878 grant. Obviously you are reading the fake one hahaha keep on dreaming pagpag
COMFIRMATION by Sultan of Sulu of Cession of Certain Islands. (Translation)
WE, the Sultan of Sulu, state with truth and clearness that we have ceded to the Government of British North Borneo of our own pleasure all the islands that are near the territory of North Borneo from Banguey Island as far as Sibuco Bay. These are the names of them: Muliangin, Muliangin Kechil, Malawali, Tegabu, Bilian, Tegaypil, Lang Kayen, Boan, Lehiman, Bakungan, Bakungan Kechil, Libaran, Taganack, Beguan, Mantanbuan, Caya, Omadal, Si Amil, Mabol, Kepalai, Dinawan, and the other islands that are situated alongside, or round or between the islands that are above- mentioned.
This is done because the names of the islands were not mentioned in the Agreement made with Baron de Overbeck and Mr. Alfred Dent on the 19th Maharam, 1295, corresponding with the 22nd January, 1878, It was known and understood between the two parties that the islands were included in the cession of the districts and islands mentioned in the above- stated Agreement.
NOW because what is above written is true and certain, we have set our seal to this notification. Made at Sandakan the 22nd April, 1903.
@hipsterPapa in international law when you begin with nothing you end up with nothing. The two european gentlemen are only private individuals who cannot and has no right to accept a deed of cession of a territory. Transfer of territories only between a state to a state. That 1903 agreement is null void because it is against international law. The contract of lease is non-transferable to any nation, a private company or to a private person. So, you start with zero, you end up with zero.
@@namazlur78 and here's the thing, commercial trading agreement is just a commercial trade. Sovereignty is not in the agreement therefore Sabah is under the sovereignty of the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo. So, the BNBC breached the contract and illegally turned over Sabah to the thieves. The 1878 agreement is all about a trading post in North Borneo. It considered as a breach of contract and lastly the Malaysian stop the rental payment in 2013. So Guess what? It's payback time.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Respect arbitration award.. Malasya has no historical RIGTHs over sulu... So you should paid the penalties to hiers of sulu and leave the sabah return to the rightful owner
Did Malaysia ever claimed right over Sulu? MALAYSIA not Malasya and RIGHT not RIGTHS
Short explanation The history when SABAH came from or originality. ... In 1509 century the SABAH is part from north Borneo . Means belong to Brunei until in 1600 century there is a civil WAR in the territory of Brunei and ask help to the Sultanate of SULU . And as a token . The small land the parcel of north Borneo now SABAh to Sultanate of SULU. And in 1768 century . The British Company of north Borneo rent the SABAH of Sultanate of SULU. .. so how the Malaysian Government prove to the international court that SABAH is belong to them. In the first place the SABAH is being rented by British Company since 1768. While the Malaysia and Singapore form in 1963. Ok ba malinaw Ang explanation natin.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Lol, this one is groping. After having lost in the arguments, try now to bully (discipline? Lol) the lawyers & the judge? The journalists present should have thrown a tomato to his face for pretending he knew what he was saying hahaha
Why Malaysia in the first place when was created dated 1963 still insist that Sabah is theirs where there is a claim from the owner which is sultanate of sulu, are you a land grabber?
Go read up on the case. The sulu sultan in 1879 has signed an agreement to lease that piece of land (sabah) to the Britrish Crown at that point of time in perpetuity. Do you understand what in perpetuity means?
The Malaysian's have greatly benefited from Sabah, Billions of US$ worth every single year. Now, they are kind enough to pay the rightful owners, Sultan of Sulu, about one kilo of Horse Manure, every single year. Now with this knowledge, put yourself in their shoes, asked yourself, are you gonna give it up? I Do not think so. My Personal opinion, Malaysia, will never, ever follow the International Arbitration Court ruling against them, even if they are one of the signatory. Question is, what will the International Arbitration Court and the Philippine Government Do?
Malisya Gov. Invented that Agreement Becouse n Realllty No Agreement to Sultanate of Sulu or to the Philippines Republic.. British company give to take to Pay Sultanate of Sulu Clear that Malisyan or British Company only Rent that Land to Sultanate or to Philippines Republic no Agreement to the real Owner Between sultanate of Sulu to Malisyan Gov. Take SABA n Your Dream Only.. that Why Philippines Republic Win that Case Becouse What ever you Do! No Agreement SABA give to Malisya Only Rent that Land..Now that Land need our Country to be Part of our Republic that Many Years Malisya Grab the Natural Resources stole to our Republic that or Country benefits all of that!
@@mayfoo02 even before that contract the rightful owner of sabah is the sultanate of sulu thats the gift of sultan of Brunei to sultan of sulu to help them wiped out the rebellion inside Brunei until the sulu became the center trade and even before that contract that British gave to Malaysia after the world war 2. FYI
@@mayfoo02 in your statement lease it means rent so if you lease you need to pay right?? And if you say lease meaning their is an owner who collect the lease so meaning your country is not the owner of sabah and you recognize it and so your country the heiress of sulu sultanate are trying to collect that payment why your country are trying to dismissed that claims??
Malaysia is a signatory to the New York Convention as of 5.11.1985, hence an arbitral award from Malaysia is enforceable in more than 161 countries which are contracting states to the New York Convention., what is he talking about.
why u said that malaysia should pay the heirs of sulu about the rental payment which started since 1878 agreement between the heirs of sultan of sulu and u are turning around what decision of international court regarding this matter.i dont think malaysia can do anything in this case as far as court decision is final,better for malaysia to pay what is due for the m or else they will pay double the amount of penalties that incrued to them,sabah historically belongs to sultan of sulu date back from time immorial period.its not belong to malaysia which is started onli during british mistakenly given the authority to form a federal state now cold malaysia from 1963 onli'
cession money
and return back the land to the filipino sabah residents and sultanate of sulu of the Mindanao, Philippines
Malaysian should not include Sabah when they form the Federation of Malaysia in 1963 because there is an existing Contract between the Sulu Sultanate and the British North Borneo Company. This dispute is a results of Conspiracy and Manipulation.
Blame the British who formed it gave it independence in 1963 with total disregard to its rightful owners ..the Sulu Sultanate
are you kidding us are you a lawyer really ??? you cannot just ignore international court because malaysia is party to that just face the consequences !!
It's ok. Just seize all their assets overseas while they're not accepting the truth and honoring the court's decision.
You should not under estimate your Neighbor..Malaysia get a Dose of their Own Medicine..
If their is no arbitration then, how come malaysia took over sabah because their is no clause to transfer it too. British government don't own sabah to give it away
Move On. Malaysia already CheckMate
SABAH should return to SULU ... MALAYSIA HAS NO RIGHT over SABAH pakkyo MALAYSIA
Latest news icj Court has set aside the sulu claim. Stop dreaming
Pinoy dreaming!
There was no forum shopping because Spanish Arbitration Court denied their case and after that they went to France wherein the court issued judgment in their favour.
No there was no forum shopping here.its logical that heirs of sultan of sulu should first goto spain because the sultan of sulu that time submitted themselves to the authority of spain.
Ayon Kay Attorney Thomas France International court rulling panalo Ang Sultonado ng Sulo Phil's.Hindi pwedi ignren ng Malaysia mga ariarian ng Malaysia kumpidkahin lalaki Ang kanilang pagkakautang sa Sultonado ng Sulo
His argument is his alone not the court. Valid documents were already presented.. leading to these decision..The best option is to negotiate..
You should take into consideration the precedent case and conggulemerate with judges and litigants before making any judgement
A Contract of Lease is a Contract, it doesn't matter what language you use as long as the basic element of contract is there. The mere fact that malaysia has been paying sulu for decades legitimizes the agreement. Is this clown a real lawyer? my goodness. Anyway what do you expect from LAND GRABBER, HONOR???????????
Guess what? It's payback time Malaysia. You exploited so much wealth in Sabah, deporting the native Filipino Tausug's. You deprived them of liberty, no benefits, health care and education. Indeed, Divine Justice been served. 144 years of injustice to the native Filipino Tausug's and look who's in bad shape now? Hahaahahhaa, you've done so much inhumane Malaysia. Just hand over Sabah. You cannot win this malaysia.
Malaysia should pay the sultanate of Sulo heirs and for non paying of the rent Malaysia surrendered its soveriegnty to the heirs
You should that earlier but you take it to your own consideration
just return Sabah to the sultanete of sulu don't make drama they are the righteous owner thats not belong to Malaysia
Spain colonize the philippines and Spain knows that Sabah is belong to the philippines.we have documents in Philippines and Spain about Sabah case.sabah is belong to the Philippines.sabah never sell Sabah to British or malaysia.malaysia take advantage of claiming the territory of the Philippines
Yes and no. Philippines never fully colonized philippines and Sabah is from from the sulu sultanate which is now on the Philippines
@@EBestLetterE5
Are you dumb and idiot.sabah is own by sultan of sulu.what is the reason Malaysia is paying rent?meaning they never own the land.there's land lord own the land.we are claiming what is ours enough Malaysian interference in war in Mindanao because of Sabah issue
Then Spain should have known the Madrid Protocol 1885.
@@rural.craving
What do you mean protocol?
You are renting the place.the land is not yours.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pirates do not really read the law, only using whatever tools to steal.
Irs final and executory
You did not pay monthly rentals
Very simlple you will face that consequences.. pay damages
The best thing to do now is for the Sultanate of Sulu to take the arrears on the lease, and take back the land and its assets together with the citizens living in the area. It has been documented that many Filipinos were and are still living in Sabah. Such Filipinos are constantly harassed by Malaysian police -- even imprisoned and deported. Some Filipinos born in the Sabah are without citizenship (no documents of being Filipinos). Eastern Sabah can be called the Autonomous State of Eastern Sabah, Sultanate of Sulu, Philippines. How do you like that?
I myself as a cebuano would love to see the kingdoms of Zulu to its own glory.. And all the kingdom of our Natives all over Philippines ...
For me its enough that Malaysian Government enjoy the fruit of many years ago and its time to returned back to the lawful owner of Sabah which the SULTANATE OF SULU HEIRS.
The land is out of the question only the cession/ceded compensation money of RM5300. You cannot simply take a sovereign country use your brain 🤭🤭🤭. By your logic, Brunei also can take Luzon & Manila because it was their land before the spanish came
@@namazlur78 Malaysia is a sovereign nation.. Sabah us a leased property in which Malaysia took on with back in 63.. That is why Malaysia was paying all thise time..
Who ever live in sabah that wants to be with Malaysia can aLways go to Malaysia.
But Sabah the land .still has to go back to the rightful owner...
It is not the Sultans fault that Malaysia got you all involved with hiw Malaysia tiled yo tge people of Sabah... If y you live in Sabah and want to be with Malaysia... Then go to Malaysia...
I don't see a reason why Malaysia should entertain this bunch of filippinos.
They've tried with China and they got kicked hard..Now they're yet back again here,picking and hitting Malaysia below the belt.What a shameless nation? proudly going around demanding money from something that doesn't belongs to them historically..Behaving as though they're involved in the development of Sabah,all this while. In fact they have done nothing, they're considered as scavenger always waiting for something to come by..They couldn't even solve and get rid of Abu sayyaf. No wonder US refuse to assist Philippines government and their Army with the latest technology weapons to defeat Abu sayyaf. I believe the US government knew they're up to no good if they get they're hands on those weapons.
Tan Sri Thomas was right , Nobody listen to him ! Now it's becoming a Big Mess due to ignorance from our part !
Thomas and those people around him thinks he is too smart as to what he is doing right now by putting his insights and reasons for arbitration. Good job for trying to look like God, Thomas. This is like putting your self as pariah. Your name can be very well remembered topnotch later to the added bonus fiasco it may create in the history of Malaysian parliament.
Yeah, the court has ruled. Sucked it up Thomas
Because so simple give the SABA to Philippines Republic or Sultane of Sulu! Malisya stole the Resorses that Philippines much benefit of SABA natural Resources.. Malisyan Gov. Have no Ivedents or any thing that Sight of Agreement between Malisya n Philippines Republic(becouse Sultanet of Sulu Part of Philippines kindom) that Philippines give SABA to Malisya so Clear that Malisya only Pay To Rent That Land.. Now Our Country Need that Land to be Part of Our Republic SABA God Law n International Law Belong to Philippines Republic.. So Clear that Taht why our Country always Win to the Court of the World!
@@johnphilipespiloy3361 A judge in France that far overstepped boundaries, not even arbitrated in Sabah.
Mind you the Spanish arbitrator was ordered by his own court to stop.
"We … Sultan of Sulu … hereby grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London as representatives of a British Company … forever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands …"
Forever and in perpetuity, and no part of the agreement states this is forfeited even if the payment stops. Sultans of Sulu got dumped into a bad deal lmao.
@@YSG39 a contract may be invalidated when one party violates the terms and conditions stated in it.
You need not state it expressly in the contract. That is always considered part of a contract.
So many ridiculous arguments popping up to defend Malaysia's ridiculous claim.
@@rainieresguerra4780 Actually you do have to state it, it basic requirement of a good contract. Nothing goes unspoken like you said , which suggests you haven't been involved with any kind of contract dispute, drafting or discussion
"This agreement is forfeit if payment is not made" or something of this kind is needed for your point. There isn't, instead it says "forever and in perpetuity".
My question is why are so many Filipinos commenting on a malaysian new portal video?
Delaying tactics anyway your collapse is near, ignoring and underestimating other country.
Yg dia tau gugur kes bungalow, bebaskan kes2 yg sedang di bicara
Hakim yg putuskan bersalah ke tak dekat akhir kes ye
@@julianho6791 atas permintaan pguam negara tak meneruskan kes, ko ji paham tak peranan peguam negara, dia ade kuasa nk dakwa atau tidak sesuatu kes
@@hanzao7285 sudah lah... settlekan lu punya abang najib dgn jahit komedi dulu lah
To those Malaysians who believe that Sulu Sultanate ceded Sabah and some additional islands in the 1903 confirmatory agreement, as opposed to just confirming the lease of 1878. Dr. Stampa goes over this argument and comes to the conclusion that Sabah couldn't have been ceded because the "government of British Borneo" mentioned in the 1903 agreement is not a state with sovereignty, to wit:
"The 1903 Confirmatory Deed referred «…to the Government of British Borneo…», as the supposed transferee of the territory of North Borneo.
The expression «…the Government of British Borneo…» deserves attention.
The first aspect to be highlighted is the reference to an undefined entity known as «…British Borneo…». The Protectorate Agreement -signed on May 12, 1888- officially referred to the territory of North Borneo as the State of North Borneo.223 This official denomination remained until 1946. But the Protectorate Agreement does not mention any form of State officially named or known as «…British Borneo…» -as referred in the 1903 Confirmatory Deed- and therefore «…British Borneo…» cannot be characterised either as a subject of international law, or an acquiring State.
The second aspect to be emphasised is the use of the term «…Government…» in the 1903 Confirmatory Deed. Under the Protectorate Agreement, the British North Borneo Company would continue to manage the territory without inferences and could call upon the support of the Royal Navy and the British Army should any European power have attempted to or seized control over the territory.224 This recognition is consistent with certain relevant facts that occurred prior to the signature of the 1903 Confirmatory Deed."
(snip)
"Thus, the Arbitrator is of the view that Respondent's alleged permanent cession of sovereignty over North Borneo under the 1903 Confirmatory Deed, while eventually made by a sovereign ruler such as the Sultanate of Sulu, did not involve a State as a transferee of the territory of North Borneo.
The British Borneo referred therein did not exist as an international person, nor did it have any Government. Since May 12, 1888, the State of North Borneo -on which the British Government assumed no sovereign rights whatsoever- was admittedly «…administered by the Company styled the British North Borneo Company…».
The British North Borneo Company was a chartered company. A chartered company is an association with investors or shareholders that is incorporated and granted rights (often exclusive rights) by royal charter (or similar instrument of government) for the purpose of trade, exploration, and/or colonization. The granting of the Royal Charter permitted the British North Borneo Company, as a private Company, to administer the State of North Borneo under the conditions provided by the Royal Charter. Hence, the British North Borneo Company had two main responsibilities in return for annual payments made by its shareholders: the economic development through the exploitation of natural resources of the area, purported to producing dividends; and the protection of local religions, customs and rights of its residents, including the commitment to abolish slavery and to cede its foreign relations to Britain to administer. Following the opinion of Sir Michael Hicks Beach, previously quoted, «…it is highly objectionable that sovereign rights should be exercised by a private Company…».228
Therefore, the 1903 Confirmatory Deed cannot be characterised as an international treaty. It did not embrace a bilateral transaction between two States to cede with a permanent character the sovereignty over territory of North Borneo by the then Sultan of the State of Sulu in favour of the British North Borneo Company, as transferee. The British North Borneo Company, a private entity, cannot be considered a subject of international law, or an acquiring State."
You talk nonsense opinion
Respect the contracts
*MANILA ACCORD (PERJANJIAN MANILA) 5 Agustus 1963*
Yg ditanda tangani oleh:
1. Tengku Abdurrahman (Malaysia)
2. Diosdado Macapagal (Philipina)
3. Ir. Soekarno (Indonesia)
Isi Perjanjian:
Sesuai dg konteks Lampiran Resolusi Majelis Umum 1541 (XV), angka 4 prinsip 9, serta pendapat Sekretaris Jenderal PBB atau United Nation (waktu itu jawatan dipegang oleh Bhutan); ketiga negara Malaysia, Philipina & Indonesia bersepakat utk menunggu penentuan nasib sendiri atas hasil pemilihan umum (referendum suara rakyat) Sabah & Sarawak tanpa paksaan. Rencana pemungutan suara rakyat Sabah & Sarawak ini ditetapkan beberapa pilihan:
a. memilih bergabung dg Malaysia
atau
b. memilih bergabung dg Philipina
atau
c. memilih bergabung dg Indonesia
atau
d. memilih mendirikan negara sendiri.
Tapi, MALAYSIA MELANGGAR
PERJANJIAN & MENGABAIKAN ARAHAN PBB (UNITED NATION) dg MENGUMUMKAN NEGARA PERSEKUTUAN MALAYSIA PD TANGGAL 16 SEPTEMBER 1963, SEBELUM PEMUNGUTAN SUARA RAKYAT SABAH & SARAWAK DILAKSANAKAN !!!
Ini menimbulkan kemarahan dua negara, sehingga tahun itu (1963) Philipina & Indonesia memustuskan hubungan diplomatik dg Malaysia yg diiringi konflik Ganyang Malaysia.
Menurut HUKUM INTERNASIONAL, PEMILIKAN SUATU WILAYAH BARU UTK SUATU NEGARA WAJIB DIDASARKAN OLEH HASIL SUARA RAKYAT SETEMPAT (REFERENDUM), & JIKA TIDAK ADA HASIL SUARA RAKYAT, MAKA PEMILIKAN WILAYAH DIPUNYAI OLEH PEMILIK SEBELUMNYA. Kalau pemilik sebelumnya adalah Sultan Sulu, maka wilayah Sabah masih dipunyai oleh Sultan Sulu (British tidak memiliki wilayah Sabah, tapi hanya menyewa sesuai perjanjian).
To all claimer pino TROLL here, read this history first b4 claim sabah is ph in ur wet dream. Sabah as known as borneo is made of 3 diferent countries, Brunei, Indonesia n Malaysia, the right owner of sabah is sultan brunei n he give it part of borneo to sultan sulu n after sultan sulu jamalul kiram die in 1936 n not have any direct male heirs, british take over sabah, n yes filipina almost sucsess to claim sabah in 1962 after self proclaimer name Esmail E Kiram I give right to presiden diostado to claim sabah, but i think (PBB) disclaim they claim bec unsure real sultan sulu heirs or not, in 1963 british ceding sabah to malaysia n malaysia keep paying rm5300 to this self pro claimer sultan as disputed state (not rental) n in 1989 Philipina dropped all they claim in sabah to restore diplomatic realition between KL n PH 👍 In year 2013 after jamallul kiram III (Esmail E Kiram 1 son) attack sabah, malaysia gove (Najib Razak) stop give rm5300 a year to sulu heirs bec they already violate the term (mahathir mohamad said) i dont know what term their promise, In a 2017 sulu heirs claimant letter to british court but Foreign & Commonwealth Office rejected the Sulu claimants’ request to appoint an arbitrator due to reasons such as the claimants’ unclear identity, and suggested they take up their claim directly to the Malaysian government. In 2018 after Najib Razak gov (BN) fall n new gove P.akatan H.arapan era begin, in this P.akatan H.arapan include mahathir mohamad who first also BN gove join PH gove they all is a enemy of najib razak, at that time AG thommy thomas send letter to sulu heirs said he regret with najib razak gov stop paying annual cession money even know what happen in 2013. in feb 2022 sulu heir win in french court (not valid) bec using false letter made by thommy thomas to them, now my new gov already take action about thomy thomas mistake n the change to win is HIGH👍
Is that a joke? Very funny bro hahaha
Yes to the peaceful reunification of Sabah and Sarawak sa Pilipinas at Indonesia; and TRUE justice for our Tausug brothers.
alahuahkbar!
too many lawyae buroh here.. talking like lawyer lol
If there is no arbitration agreement, why is Malaysia was paying 5,300 ringgit a year????
Why waste time on a self proclaimed Sultan? Recently we heard people claiming themselves as Sultan in Malaysia.
Self proclaimed according to whom?
@@villainme4384 so if it's not self proclaim, he can be the sultan of the Phillipines.
Your comment is idiotic.The Spanish, British, US, and Malaysian governments recognize the Sultanate as rightful heirs.
@@steadylearner1 the sultan of Philippines right?
@Toodler _cute he can be the sultan of the Phillipines being a Philippino himself.
Why are they are asking this guy? His letter and book what gave the Sulu heirs 'sth to tell' during the arbitration. They should ask the ex AG from Sabah.
Our datu own sabah period..
And brunei datu own luzon, manila and half of pinoy ccountry now
@@namazlur78 Hahaha are you sure brunei own the entire philippines? Why it is independent country if brunei is the owner of that country? 🤣🤣
@@namazlur78 squatter wakawaka
Rent is just a rent even if it was agreed a thousand years ago. Malaysia your not a thief return Sabah to its rightful owner.
Today international law can make the agreement invalid🙄
@@xensored03 I has already invalidated the agreement by ruling penalties for default. Does this mean as of date the Malaysian Government is the world s biggest squatter?
If you Malaysian don't follow the arbitration agreements , just pay the 15 billion dollars to the Sultanate of Sulu and continue the payment of rentals to the Sultanate of Sulu ! Remember Malaysia , you don't owned Sabah !
The Sultanate has the right to stop the agreement on the lease, after all, the Lessee defaulted or breached their contract with the Sultanate of Sulu.
@@johnphilipespiloy3361 yes that's true ! If he stop the rent of Sabah from Malaysia the problem will end so easily , Sana nga bitawan na Ng Malaysia ang Sabah ! Kumita na sila Ng trillions sa Sabah !
Funny🤪😜
@@weeree8642 yes it's funny , because if they cannot pay the 15 billion dollars , Sabah will be totally owned by the Philippines !;
Whatever Malaysia says, the Sultanate just checkmated Malaysia
English version
why should Malaysia rent from the sultan? If Malaysia is the owner of Sabah why did they rent to the sulu sultan who is a Filipino citizen, and then the contract was not followed?
Malaysian version
kenapa malaysia sewa dari sultan? Jika malaysia pemilik sabah kenapa mereka menyewa kepada sulu sultan yang merupakan warga filipino, kemudian kontrak itu tidak diikuti?
Its not rent you idiot the sultan ceded/surrender the territory bangang
In which the payment of RM5300 per years only. So small. Then pagpag went overboard gone to 14B hahahha. What a joke and funny case. How a rm5300 worth of contract become 14 B only santa claus can explain 🤣🤣🤣.
That's the reason there's an International Arbitration. Bring all your historical documents to prove that Malaysia indeed owns Sabah.
You should respect the arbitration award. It's final and executory. From the very start, Sabah is part of the Sultanate of Sulu, which is now part of the Philippines.
"We … Sultan of Sulu … hereby grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London as representatives of a British Company … forever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands …"
Nah, also the agreement has a "no arbitration" clause which you people keep forgetting.
So the Spanish arbitrator took the an illegal arbitration to France when ordered by his own court to stop, if this isn't final to the arbitrator why should we take anything as final?
Then he decides the arbitration rewards? Lmao
nanivon! You are out of your fvking mind!!
@Axel TV My mistake, it turns out even the Paris court deemed the arbitration illegitimate.
Our ministers were slow on the job but the appeal was so easy.
The Phillipine should pay compensation to Malaysian government due to attack and massacres done by Sultanate of Sulu few years ago despite Malaysia annually pay that rm5k according to the contract since Sulu is part of Phillipines
@Chairman Xi JinPooh "In case any dispute shall arise between His Highness the Sultan" not arbitration, dispute.
Dispute has to be done in public courts, arbitration has to be agreed by both parties to settle outside court. The agreement does not mention arbitration, and Malaysia never agreed to arbitration so no arbitration should have happened. Which is why the public courts of 2 countries ordered Stampa to cease arbitration, which he ignored.
SIMPLE AS ABC FOR THE GRADE SCHOOL TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN YOU ARE RENTING A HOUSE FROM THE OWNERS, WHO OWN THE HOUSE ?
Sabah is part of the Sulu Sultanate
Sabah was owned by sultanese of brunei not the poor shoe polishing sulu race
Says the so called 'Sultanate' who is now part of the modern Philipines, which is in turn a province of the People's Republic of China.
@@andrewlim4890 oh c’mon dude, delete your comment coz you just make yourself look stupid in the comment section. Non sense and baseless comments are rants of people who doesn’t even know the real issue and stand of Malaysia. Poor little dude. You may now cry hahahaha
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From Sabah Philippines
That lease agreement should been rescinded considering that the lessor failed to the lease for decades.
Are you saying this court is stupid?
if there is no arbitration why your paying rentals hahahah