Great vid ! I read somewhere that a major drawback of the P38 was that it could be identified much easier, and at longer ranges, than single seat fighters. Identification friend or foe is the first stage of air combat. Especially in real life!
That is very much the case in the sim too. If you see a high contact and it trails two contrails or you get a good look at the profile you know very very early on what the enemy aircraft can and cannot do. Fighting in the 38 is not easy.
Great overview, thanks! I am particularly interested in the degree to which speed is adversely affected by being out of trim in a P-51. Do you believe that the effect is greater for the P-51 in a given configuration than it is for other similar aircraft in the sim?
Really liked the video. I haven’t played this game since launch and decided to start playing it again. Two of my favorite planes in real life are the P51 Mustang and P38 Lightning. I will definitely pick this expansion up as soon as I get my HOTAS setup and learn how to play the game again. Thanks again and I did like and sub.
4:46 "damage model isn't very kind to the 47..." Wow, what a shock. Another example of sims at odds with history. The Bolt's ability to absorb punishment is well documented, including having engine cylinders shot away and surviving, or in the case of Robert Johnson and Don Blakeslee, holed by 20mms, coated in oil and still coming home. Of course I get that a hit in the right place can be fatal, but too often I see wings shot off by the first burst, even when the target is a B-17. And also regarding the P-47: it had a fantastic roll rate at altitude, something I've never seen in any sim so far. Robert Johnson in "Thunderbolt!" described how he scored a kill by rolling inside a turning 109, sure that he shocked the enemy pilot who probably thought it was impossible for that big Jug to maneuver inside him and get his guns on him. I know it's called a simulator for a reason, and I enjoy watching many of these, but I'm also switching off more because they seem to be getting more predictable...almost like a Hollywood car chase.
Thank you for your Videos, they really help me to get along at a bit better with learning this game. Just one minor correction: the P-38 is not Part of the "battle of Bodenplatte" Pack. It´s still usefull to have it included in your Video. ^^
@@SheriffsSimShack Huh, the more you know. I couldn't see a premium version of it, but there is a lot of add ons and i just looked at the normal battle of Bodenplatte since i thought there is only one. Thank you for clarifying ^^ Edit: And now i know why. Steam does not sell the premium version but only the standard one. 🤦🏼♂️😂
I read the P38 was the first plane to experience troubles with Air compressability when achieving massive dive speeds, this was something I didn't even come across in the Dora and only In the Schwalbe. This makes it interesting for me to hear that its much slower than most other aircraft. But then again, I may have read wrong?
Problems with compressibility arent only caused by speed but by design. Mostly that the airflow over wings and surfaces reaches the speed of sound earlier than the aircraft it self. The 38 had extreme problems with that phenomenon
@@SheriffsSimShack Ye I remember that it was quite a challenge to over come. Still an awesome plane though, second favourite only to the beautiful Dora.
It's seemingly edging its way gently towards the pretty unhealthy Train Sim DLC model (Particularly with "Flying Circus" - £65 and not even a SP campaign?? Yeeesch!) :S
@@zetetick395 FC does have 2 SP campaigns now. It's a bit of an insult to say like Train Sim, there are constant updates/improvements to releases even 5 years later we're getting fixes/improvements regularly. Train Sim has a release it and move on model, they don't support old releases.
P51H debuted 3 Feb, 1945 with top speed of 487mph. P51B/C 440mph & the D variant 437mph. It held it's own against the dumb dora & k4 they had a top speed increase over the P51 of only 10 - 15 mph. That's not really that much. Especially since we outnumbered them too. Not to mention rhat the P47M & N & F4U4's & 5's, F8F were at 460+ mph. Up to 487mph as I recall. Point being, they shouldn't have fucked with the U.S.A.
In Warthunder I could never really figure out how to fly the Typhoon and the Tempest. Is it a Energy Fighter, a Boom & Zoomer, a Turnfighter? It always seemed so half baked, neither fish, nor meat to me. In Warthunder too it is fast in a straight line, but that doesn't help you much in actual combat, at least not in that game, because there you can't really sneak up on people and being good at running away doesn't help with actually getting kills.
Brother, this is a very late response. If you're still curious, I'll try to help you. I've played quite a bit of WT, but I used to also play a game called Aces High. It has the Temp and Tiff in it as well. The things are monsters, as long as you can keep them fast. Your issue is that you're not playing in sim. There are some aircraft that are basically made to played in sim. The Tiff and Temp are two of them. There are no super obvious markers for what opponents are, or how far they are. There are fairly obvious dots to spot long range contacts tho. It's an environment where being fast and sneaky are actually usable traits and create a monster of an aircraft that when flown right is nearly untouchable. You can also switch over to its actual role (ground pounding) very easily to earn extra shiny cats and lightbulbs when no ones really around for you to be stalking. If you want a similar experience to cut your teeth on in sim I suggest the He-100, as much as I hate fighting them in Sim EC 1, they live and die by their speed and ability to keep it up. Flown well you will learn the basics swiftly, how to maneuver in a way to be less visable, how to make those few moments of firing time matter, how to peel off properly to avoid return snap shot return fire. Get a wingman if you can, a pair of He-100s doing constant boom and zoom runs on br 1.0 to 2.0 aircraft is beyond monstrous and you will get called a lot of bad names, but you will learn. Also, look up fighter tactics by shaw, it's a bit clinical of a read, but it should give you a better hand than I ever could in a youtube comments section.
Dont take my word for it. But i think they thought they are uncomfortable and that they didnt need them. The Americans found them uncomfortable as well but liked the results
Wäre es möglich , dass du dieses Video oder deine ganze Reihe auch in Deutsch bringen könntest ! Da du aus der Praxis heraus deine Erfahrungen in den Videos verarbeitest ! finde ich deine ganze Sammlung auf deinem Kanal sehr interessant 👍aber ich verstehe halt nun nicht alles. Schaue mir halt teilweise ein Stummfilm an 😉
Leider ist der Aufwand viel zu groß für eine zu kleine Zielgruppe. Ich habe das in der Vergangenheit mal probiert, aber es war leider nicht erfolgreich und extrem Zeitaufwendig
p47 is very slow what am i doing wrong? ww2 pilots said nothing could out dive it? this can not take a hit which is not historically accurate. Help. Mean while the Russian warplanes I fly are Swiss cheese and keep flying.
and the 47 can take quite a punishment my now. They adusted the damage model a while back. However at the stage where 47s are flying the germans have quite an array of good guns on their aircraft. Mulitple 20mm, 30mm and 13mm. There is not a chance that a 47 survives a good volley from those. No aircraft does.
Hi all, I post my question here, because I can't find the answer elsewhere. Since I'm playing IL2 from the beginning of the serie to the last game and DLC, I always wondered why in this game you have the possibility to play with different levels of complex engine management and other stuffs but you can't reach the real max specification ceiling and speed of ANY given aircraft ? I am playing with automated engine management, but in every game the max ceiling I could reach was under the real specifications. Lately in Stalingrad or Kuban I tried and managed over a long time of accelerated soft climbing to reach 9000m with Me 109 or FW190, but at 200 km/h almost stalling and with a lot of compensation upward with the stick (under the max ceiling and far under the top indicated speed at this level). For example, the FW 190D9 could climb to 12000 m and the TA 152 15000m at 760 km/h. For any real aircraft the max speed is at the highest ceiling, as opposed in the game. I doubt it is because I don't manage myself the engine. The game automated option should do the same. Does anybody knows why and if the devs have given any explanation about that ? Thank you for your answers.
I personally was flying at 12000m with a e-7 once. That was in winter. I am sure that the planes can reach that alt. And yes the auto engine control is likely the cause
Thé P-47D-28 is not true to it’s real performance and there have been many requests to fix this glorious plane but it’s gone to deaf ears which is why I am not at all excited about the Normandy Razorback. The développer shouldn’t release planes that are not realistic. Unless they fix the P-47D-28 I won’t be buying the Normandy map.
You must be joking?! The developers boosted most allied planes as fuck and you want a brick to be improved? 😂 what do you think that the P51 could do in a real dogfight against 109? Exact, get help of more p51s
Thanks Sheriff, I really enjoyed this. I haven't flown any of these planes, but I have fought against them, and I think your analysis is spot on.
Why haven’t you flown them?
@@HawkerMkIII Perhaps he doesn't own Bodden.
Great vid !
I read somewhere that a major drawback of the P38 was that it could be identified much easier, and at longer ranges, than single seat fighters. Identification friend or foe is the first stage of air combat. Especially in real life!
That is very much the case in the sim too. If you see a high contact and it trails two contrails or you get a good look at the profile you know very very early on what the enemy aircraft can and cannot do. Fighting in the 38 is not easy.
Loved these videos(allied and German). Would love to see these in the other theaters (I just started playing Stalin grad)
X2
Excellent, unbiased, objective commentary of these various aircraft.
thx
@@SheriffsSimShack my username is =JAGTF=LEAD_SLED on combat box. If you see me around you're more than welcome to fly with us.
Great description of the aircrafts, you just have to know your plane's strengths and weaknesses. Good Video
Great Vid, many thanks! Just started flying in VR and really like the P 51. Would like to learn more about the need you mentioned to trim it properly.
I love seeing all your new vids in my feed. It's so awesome
Great overview, thanks! I am particularly interested in the degree to which speed is adversely affected by being out of trim in a P-51. Do you believe that the effect is greater for the P-51 in a given configuration than it is for other similar aircraft in the sim?
Really liked the video. I haven’t played this game since launch and decided to start playing it again. Two of my favorite planes in real life are the P51 Mustang and P38 Lightning. I will definitely pick this expansion up as soon as I get my HOTAS setup and learn how to play the game again. Thanks again and I did like and sub.
4:46 "damage model isn't very kind to the 47..." Wow, what a shock. Another example of sims at odds with history. The Bolt's ability to absorb punishment is well documented, including having engine cylinders shot away and surviving, or in the case of Robert Johnson and Don Blakeslee, holed by 20mms, coated in oil and still coming home. Of course I get that a hit in the right place can be fatal, but too often I see wings shot off by the first burst, even when the target is a B-17.
And also regarding the P-47: it had a fantastic roll rate at altitude, something I've never seen in any sim so far. Robert Johnson in "Thunderbolt!" described how he scored a kill by rolling inside a turning 109, sure that he shocked the enemy pilot who probably thought it was impossible for that big Jug to maneuver inside him and get his guns on him.
I know it's called a simulator for a reason, and I enjoy watching many of these, but I'm also switching off more because they seem to be getting more predictable...almost like a Hollywood car chase.
They reworked the DM quite a bit by now. You can knock out cylinders and all that. The 47 sustains way more damage.
@@SheriffsSimShack can not get my p47 above 325 mphl, plane do more? Is there so setting I am missing or what?
@@judd-on5vz th-cam.com/video/vHuh-yc8xv8/w-d-xo.html
thanks for the gsuit info in British planes thought I was going nuts.
"hella fun to fly" nor cal slang seems to be spreading across the pond. great video as usual thanks! see you tonight in combat box - capt nasties
The man..the myth...the Legend....sheirff sim shack
Thank you for your Videos, they really help me to get along at a bit better with learning this game. Just one minor correction: the P-38 is not Part of the "battle of Bodenplatte" Pack. It´s still usefull to have it included in your Video. ^^
It is part of it in the premium version
@@SheriffsSimShack Huh, the more you know. I couldn't see a premium version of it, but there is a lot of add ons and i just looked at the normal battle of Bodenplatte since i thought there is only one. Thank you for clarifying ^^
Edit: And now i know why. Steam does not sell the premium version but only the standard one. 🤦🏼♂️😂
I want BOBP :(, but I still don't have it. I only have BOS and BOM, but seeing this makes me more exited when I can finally buy it.
Nice video, thanks for taking the time.
I am curious to see how the upcoming Spit XIV compares with these.
I'm very, very excited. Will be the fastest allied prop at altitude (Unless the P-47M sneaks in) and the best climbing.
_"...which makes the Spitfire even more Spitfiery."_
😊😊😊😊😊
I wonder if Spit XIV is going to tip the scales at all
Fantastic review!
Please; "meh" is not a word. It's an exclamation. And one goats make at that.
I read the P38 was the first plane to experience troubles with Air compressability when achieving massive dive speeds, this was something I didn't even come across in the Dora and only In the Schwalbe. This makes it interesting for me to hear that its much slower than most other aircraft.
But then again, I may have read wrong?
Problems with compressibility arent only caused by speed but by design. Mostly that the airflow over wings and surfaces reaches the speed of sound earlier than the aircraft it self. The 38 had extreme problems with that phenomenon
@@SheriffsSimShack Ye I remember that it was quite a challenge to over come. Still an awesome plane though, second favourite only to the beautiful Dora.
My personal nightmare: finally getting the courage to try online flying, and finding myself facing Der Sheriff in a 262. {{Shudder}}
Never fear, tutorials are here! Take a look at my vids to ease you into the process :) Col Ninny
meow 109 Arianne in anything!
Col ninny has some great stuff if you missed the reply two years ago.
Waiting for the reds fighter analysis !
P 38 and the Tempest is the best Planes
Good work man! :)
Why does sheriff sound alot like Military History Visualized?
I just wish this game wasn't a required package deal with Battles of Stalingrad on Steam.
they have a standalone client lol
It's seemingly edging its way gently towards the pretty unhealthy Train Sim DLC model
(Particularly with "Flying Circus" - £65 and not even a SP campaign?? Yeeesch!) :S
@@zetetick395 FC does have 2 SP campaigns now. It's a bit of an insult to say like Train Sim, there are constant updates/improvements to releases even 5 years later we're getting fixes/improvements regularly. Train Sim has a release it and move on model, they don't support old releases.
P51H debuted 3 Feb, 1945 with top speed of 487mph. P51B/C 440mph & the D variant 437mph. It held it's own against the dumb dora & k4 they had a top speed increase over the P51 of only 10 - 15 mph. That's not really that much. Especially since we outnumbered them too. Not to mention rhat the P47M & N & F4U4's & 5's, F8F were at 460+ mph. Up to 487mph as I recall. Point being, they shouldn't have fucked with the U.S.A.
In Warthunder I could never really figure out how to fly the Typhoon and the Tempest. Is it a Energy Fighter, a Boom & Zoomer, a Turnfighter? It always seemed so half baked, neither fish, nor meat to me. In Warthunder too it is fast in a straight line, but that doesn't help you much in actual combat, at least not in that game, because there you can't really sneak up on people and being good at running away doesn't help with actually getting kills.
Brother, this is a very late response. If you're still curious, I'll try to help you. I've played quite a bit of WT, but I used to also play a game called Aces High. It has the Temp and Tiff in it as well. The things are monsters, as long as you can keep them fast. Your issue is that you're not playing in sim. There are some aircraft that are basically made to played in sim. The Tiff and Temp are two of them. There are no super obvious markers for what opponents are, or how far they are. There are fairly obvious dots to spot long range contacts tho. It's an environment where being fast and sneaky are actually usable traits and create a monster of an aircraft that when flown right is nearly untouchable. You can also switch over to its actual role (ground pounding) very easily to earn extra shiny cats and lightbulbs when no ones really around for you to be stalking.
If you want a similar experience to cut your teeth on in sim I suggest the He-100, as much as I hate fighting them in Sim EC 1, they live and die by their speed and ability to keep it up. Flown well you will learn the basics swiftly, how to maneuver in a way to be less visable, how to make those few moments of firing time matter, how to peel off properly to avoid return snap shot return fire. Get a wingman if you can, a pair of He-100s doing constant boom and zoom runs on br 1.0 to 2.0 aircraft is beyond monstrous and you will get called a lot of bad names, but you will learn.
Also, look up fighter tactics by shaw, it's a bit clinical of a read, but it should give you a better hand than I ever could in a youtube comments section.
I wonder why the Royal Air Force did not have G suites?
Dont take my word for it. But i think they thought they are uncomfortable and that they didnt need them. The Americans found them uncomfortable as well but liked the results
same reason fabric and wood was used in fighter planes cheap their backs were against the wall.
Wäre es möglich , dass du dieses Video oder deine ganze Reihe auch in Deutsch bringen könntest ! Da du aus der Praxis heraus deine Erfahrungen in den Videos verarbeitest ! finde ich deine ganze Sammlung auf deinem Kanal sehr interessant 👍aber ich verstehe halt nun nicht alles. Schaue mir halt teilweise ein Stummfilm an 😉
Leider ist der Aufwand viel zu groß für eine zu kleine Zielgruppe. Ich habe das in der Vergangenheit mal probiert, aber es war leider nicht erfolgreich und extrem Zeitaufwendig
@@SheriffsSimShack, Danke für deine schnelle Antwort 👍
Is there any multiplayer life for this game these days ?
Most of the clips u see in the video are from mulitplayer, and yes. player count is rising and not declining.
The tempest inna dive is evil i was able to chase down and shoot down a me 262 he kept diving (not smart with a tempest behind you)
Always the first videos I watch.
That exactly what I needed
p47 is very slow what am i doing wrong? ww2 pilots said nothing could out dive it? this can not take a hit which is not historically accurate. Help. Mean while the Russian warplanes I fly are Swiss cheese and keep flying.
th-cam.com/video/vHuh-yc8xv8/w-d-xo.html
and the 47 can take quite a punishment my now. They adusted the damage model a while back. However at the stage where 47s are flying the germans have quite an array of good guns on their aircraft. Mulitple 20mm, 30mm and 13mm. There is not a chance that a 47 survives a good volley from those. No aircraft does.
Wonder why the British planes don't come with G-suits.
Because the British thought they are tough as nails and don't need it. Quite literally.
Hi all,
I post my question here, because I can't find the answer elsewhere.
Since I'm playing IL2 from the beginning of the serie to the last game and DLC, I always wondered why in this game you have the possibility to play with different levels of complex engine management and other stuffs but you can't reach the real max specification ceiling and speed of ANY given aircraft ?
I am playing with automated engine management, but in every game the max ceiling I could reach was under the real specifications. Lately in Stalingrad or Kuban I tried and managed over a long time of accelerated soft climbing to reach 9000m with Me 109 or FW190, but at 200 km/h almost stalling and with a lot of compensation upward with the stick (under the max ceiling and far under the top indicated speed at this level).
For example, the FW 190D9 could climb to 12000 m and the TA 152 15000m at 760 km/h.
For any real aircraft the max speed is at the highest ceiling, as opposed in the game.
I doubt it is because I don't manage myself the engine. The game automated option should do the same.
Does anybody knows why and if the devs have given any explanation about that ?
Thank you for your answers.
I personally was flying at 12000m with a e-7 once. That was in winter. I am sure that the planes can reach that alt. And yes the auto engine control is likely the cause
The P-38 is strictly for pimps and gangsters😅
Can you do something similar with Russian Aircraft.
Greatest disadvantage: they are not Pe2s!
WAIT IS TGIS BISMARK
certainly not
Thé P-47D-28 is not true to it’s real performance and there have been many requests to fix this glorious plane but it’s gone to deaf ears which is why I am not at all excited about the Normandy Razorback. The développer shouldn’t release planes that are not realistic. Unless they fix the P-47D-28 I won’t be buying the Normandy map.
You must be joking?! The developers boosted most allied planes as fuck and you want a brick to be improved? 😂 what do you think that the P51 could do in a real dogfight against 109? Exact, get help of more p51s
@@pascalgermanfpv238 Figures you would be german.
@@brandonstrife9738 Pascal has not watched any p47 documentaries. P47 pilots destroyed the germans.
@@judd-on5vz >Not watching US Propaganda
Bruh
where are the Russian aircrafts?