PL 200mm DG f2.8 VS PL 100-400mm DG f4-6.3, Prime or Zoom? - RED35

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  • @lumixographer2185
    @lumixographer2185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    A journey of a thousand shots begins with the first lens!😉 I just moved up from the Panasonic 100-300mm to the 100-400mm. While there are photocentric reasons for the upgrade, their are other considerations to weigh before taking the leap. Will lens anxiety arise when you jump in a kayak, throw camera with lens in your backpack, make you constantly watch the clouds for rain, or curse back ache after a long day carrying on the trail, then you'll sleep better owning the 100-300mm. Photography is more than getting the shot. It's about capturing the journey!

    • @kennygo8300
      @kennygo8300 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, I'm sticking with my 100-300mm version 2 lens. It fits in the backpack, and works well on a long hike.

  • @paulplus3830
    @paulplus3830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The 100-400 is weather sealed or resistant. The difference is, the 200mm is also cold protected.

    • @tdunster2011
      @tdunster2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've used my 100-400 in rain quite a lot and in below zero temps. I wouldn't submerge it - but for your average rainy day it's fine.

    • @nickcarneyphotography
      @nickcarneyphotography 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tdunster2011 I was confused by this as well, from what I have heard it is very weather-sealed. Almost all Panasonic lenses are.

    • @sudiphowladar7209
      @sudiphowladar7209 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, just wrong info on video. Shid have done more research before publishing.

  • @skfineshriber
    @skfineshriber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The 100-400 seems like a professional lens to me with its metal construction and weather sealing-it is weather sealed.

  • @yoemichelp_yoe
    @yoemichelp_yoe ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your honest opinions and straight to the point talk. Great music, edit, and content in general. You have been a reference in my decision making. You have a very likable personality Jimmy.

  • @CheapCharlieChronicles
    @CheapCharlieChronicles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My favorite telephoto lens in M43 is the Panasonic 50-200 f2.8-f4. Unfortunately I sold it a couple of years ago and am making due with the cheap lumix 50-150 f4-f5.6. I haven’t tried the 200mm 2.8 but I don’t think I’d ever use it as it’s too heavy to travel with and I’d miss the zoom function. I tested the 100-400 in a camera shop in Japan once and was terribly jittery for video, maybe it was a bad copy. The 50-200 Panasonic didn’t have this problem in the lens stabilization and was very stable and smooth with the Gh5. One lens I haven’t tried that has my interest is the 100-300 but considering its the same size as the 50-200 I think id prefer the latter despite the lesser zoom lens, something magical about that lens.

  • @malcolmmeddings8502
    @malcolmmeddings8502 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I bought a used PL 200 2.8 (without the converter) from MPB to go with my EM1 Mkiii - superb and the resulting images can be comfortably cropped very hard indeed. I have paired this with the Olympus 40-150 2.8 - so best of both worlds. Incidentally I bought the 1.4x and 2x converters for the 40-150 and sold them very quickly, putting the money towards the PL 200 2.8. A good move!

    • @yoemichelp_yoe
      @yoemichelp_yoe ปีที่แล้ว

      I just bought a used 200 mm 2.8 yesterday, only 2 days ago, and I m amazed. Yes, it’s a lot bigger that my other lenses but still fits in my bag along with my gx9. I actually considering to get a medium to large telephoto without overlapping focal lengths. Your decision of getting a oly 40-150 is very enticing and have a lot of sense to me… let’s see what do I actually end up doing. I got A 35-100 mm pana and I got rid of it in like the second day. I did not like the rendering at all, and I found a lot of CA even in not challenging situations…

  • @BrookStockton
    @BrookStockton 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see this pop up. Always appreciate your content.

  • @bitwise2832
    @bitwise2832 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have the 100-400ii. With the G9ii, I have Dual IS. The flexibility of the zoom and steadiness of this combination makes this a very portable wildlife photo kit.

  • @MrHasherd
    @MrHasherd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Jimmy. I’ve used the 100-400 lens on various Olympus bodies for bird photography and I’m very satisfied with the results. Just upgraded to the OM1 and I’m beginning to get some good in flight photos. I set to lens priority IS. Cheers.

    • @tdunster2011
      @tdunster2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How did you go with bird in flight pics with the 100-400 and the pre OM-1 Olympus cameras ?. I use it on a em1 mkIi and while great for perched birds it's never in focus for bids in flight - at best the images are soft - or usually not in ffouc at all - even when using 1/3200 shutter speeds in good light. It seems anything involving panning is a disaster.

    • @MrHasherd
      @MrHasherd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tdunster2011 On my em1 mkII it was always a bit hit or miss on birds in fight. Excellent for perched birds though.

  • @RyougiVector
    @RyougiVector 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even when the wildlife gets too close, there's something quite different about being able to shoot with a super telephoto prime compared to a telephoto zoom. That being said, a zoom is a good backup in such situations. Oly 300mm f/4, Oly 40-150 f/2.8, and both TCs make up a great wildlife kit. I like to throw in an additional fisheye or ultrawide for herd shots.

  • @tizio54
    @tizio54 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've had both lenses, but eventually replaced them with the Olympus 300mm F4 and Panasonic 50-200mm. The 50-200 (plus 1.4x TC) is much sharper and lighter than the 100-400 and the 300mm (with 1.4x and 2x TC) provides considerably more reach than the 200mm. The 200mm is a great lens, but I have no regrets about these changes in my camera bag. But that's just my experience.
    p.s. I use the 50-200 on my G9 and the 300mm on my E-M1 to get maximum (dual/sync) image stabilisation.

    • @thatsreallyamoon
      @thatsreallyamoon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Would you say the difference between the 50-200 and the 200 prime is substantially, both wide open (the zoom at f4 and the prime at 2.8)?

  • @indraneilbiswas
    @indraneilbiswas ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it safe to hang the Leica 200 mm f/2.8 off the micro 4/3 mount on a flagship Olympus or Panasonic body while the camera strap is connected only to the body ? The lens weights 1.2 kg- so am wondering.

  • @daverichards3793
    @daverichards3793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you very much for the review. When operating the Pany 100-400 on an Olympus body, do you recommend using Olympus image stabilization (with Pany OIS turned off), or the opposite, or having both lens and camera stabilization turned on?

    • @alantuttphotography
      @alantuttphotography 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      With longer lenses, it's usually better to have the lens IS engaged than IBIS, when you can only have one or the other.

    • @alandunn4459
      @alandunn4459 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lens OIS works best with I.S turned off. Especially so at 400mm. At the short end say up to 200mm the I.S on body only does a ok job on my em1 mk2 with the pan leica100-400.

    • @hauke3644
      @hauke3644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With a Panasonic lens on an OM body you need to choose, because their dual is systems are not compatible (which is a shame!)

    • @MrHasherd
      @MrHasherd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I use the lens IS only. It works well for me b

  • @AguilaDeOnix85
    @AguilaDeOnix85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd like to get a nice prime telephoto lens for shooting out by the lakes near me. Bald eagles and mergansers in the winter and spring. ospreys and hawks in the summer. I've actually had great success using the Oly 40-150 pro for my snake and owl shots as I'm able to get pretty close to them. I just need something for high flying birds, so I have the Panasonic 200 or Oly 300 in mind. already have a teleconverter.

  • @alandunn4459
    @alandunn4459 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Om-d em1 mk2 and Pan Leica 100-400 user. Was great but upgraded camera to firmware 3.6 and the auto focus no longer works reliably. On 3.2 firmware it was great. Should also note that lens ois works best when I.S on camera is off.
    Hopefully I can get the firmware issue fixed with another release or going back to an older version if possible.

  • @Easter_Egg89
    @Easter_Egg89 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the video. :) I am a Panasonic user, and I have become an avid wildlife photographer with my 100-400 zoom. When I heard about the OM-1, I was wondering whether this would work fine with the Panasonic telephoto lenses. This video answered my doubts.

  • @hauke3644
    @hauke3644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    While I use only primes for serious photography up to 75mm, beyond that I find it too heavy, too uncomfortable and too expensive to have tele primes. With shorter lenses you can easily do some “zooming” with your feet, but that doesn’t work with long senses.

  • @PeterVlutters
    @PeterVlutters 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video but the Leica 100-400 has weather sealing🌧🌦

  • @Leptospirosi
    @Leptospirosi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish you had brought the 50-200 to the review as it is probably a better lens then the 100-400 quality wise.

  • @notyetdeadadventures
    @notyetdeadadventures 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi pal great video! Does the function recall button on the PL 200mm F2.8 work on an Olympus Camera? I understand the aperture ring does not?? Ive just sold my Olympus 300mm F4 and worried I’m gonna regret selling it and replacing it with the PL! Thanks for your video i’ve subscribed and watch your videos daily! Keep up the good work mate x

  • @jeffslade1892
    @jeffslade1892 ปีที่แล้ว

    I probably have too many Lumix lenses. I do use them on my Olympus cameras with no issues barring a couple of provisos. A Lumix camera will use DFD on them so they focus faster, yes they really do although it may not track as well as PDAF, it is faster. On an Olympus they may hunt in C-AF. The OM-1 is not going to get Dual2 on them as they do on the G9. The OM-1 can do similar with Sync-IS, but only with the three Pro lenses that support it. This is quite a biggie as the Dual adds a good three stops to holding the image still, which aids focusing; the CIPA test is all about using a slow shutter, so the Dual adds nothing to that, but you don't use such long lenses with a slow shutter. Many Olympus lenses have no OIS. Lumix lenses tend to work better on Olympus backs than Olympus lenses do on Lumix backs. Both breeds work best on their native backs.
    I do have the PL100-400, I do not have the Leica 200mm. Where I want 200mm I want a lot lighter, the 45-200ii. I often find a long prime restrictive, you cannot zoom with your feet. I do have an adapted 400mm prime and 500mm and 800mm reflex, they can be a bit of a nightmare, too long or too short. The 45-200 is uncoated which is unusual in a modern lens, and yet there are reasons to use an uncoated lens, it is not a disincentive; it may mean use a good plain protection filter because the glass is softer. The 380g lens is light enough for Olympus IBIS to handle nicely, longer and heavier stuff gets in a bit of a pickle.

  • @attilavida4696
    @attilavida4696 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Jimmy , have you ever tried the 200 prime with TC x2 vs the 100-400? I wonder if the AF and ultimate IQ would be better than with the 100-400 @400mm? With that said the TC is nearing the used market price of the 100-400 :) however significant weight reduction could be achieved if it’s as good or better ( by sacrificing the zoom function) for the occasional long shots. Please advise your experience shared is priceless ! 多 谢

  • @jamesbaker4189
    @jamesbaker4189 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Waiting for the the Olympus 200mm F2.8 (or wider😉😉) to come out... I have the PL 100-400 already which is why I won't buy the Olympus 100-400. It may not work with the IBIS and lens stabilization together, but I'm putting it on a tripod anyways as I sit and wait for creatures to walk by so it doesn't matter a whole bunch to me. Pass on the idea that OM Solutions needs to come out with a 200mm (which is also stated to be a better sports photography focal length as well) and I will buy it.

  • @malcolmpotter
    @malcolmpotter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you use the 100-400 IS at the same time as the in camera of the OM1 or do you have to select one or the other? been trying to get this answer for weeks but no-one has replied.
    Thanks Mal

    • @Red35Photography
      @Red35Photography  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, you can't use both at the same time. The default will be based on how you set the camera to take priority. I think by default is body IBIS. I've been using the lenses and think the IBIS alone is sufficient. Sync IS (both) only increase by about half stop anyway.

  • @karlrichards
    @karlrichards 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 100-400mm is my most used lens, would love to try it on the new om1. If I could sell a kidney I would buy the 200 aswell.

  • @gcprost
    @gcprost 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I took neither, I bought the Leica 50-200mm f2.8-4.

  • @davidhuffman4768
    @davidhuffman4768 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the review. What would be helpful is an honest comparison of the Panny 100-400 vs the Oly 100-400. I have a G9 and a E-M1 Mkiii, both are great cameras. My brother loaned me his Panny 100-400, and I was a bit underwhelmed by the lens. Was soft unless you stopped down. Wasn't sure if it was a bad copy, the lens has very mixed reviews. Been debating between Oly 300 F4 vs one of the 100-400.

    • @UnluckyNewbie
      @UnluckyNewbie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had oly m1-3 and oly 100-400. Always dreamed about oly 300 f 4 + mc-14 and mc-20. Take oly 300 f4 - dream

  • @vytautasslenderis2702
    @vytautasslenderis2702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 200 is brighter when no converter is used. But then it does not have the reach of the 100-400. Adding a 2x converter, makes the lens 200 F5.6, which is NOT one stop, but only a third of a stop faster than 100-400. So, not much advantage in brightness really. No free lunch here. The brighter option, Oly 150-400/4.5, will cost a lot more.

  • @stevepage2369
    @stevepage2369 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I swear by all my prime lens .. sooner have a good selection of these than a few zooms lying around not being used .. not saying zooms are not any good because they have there use's . a bright sunny day, quick shots when you need to get things as close as possible to what you when to achieve and when your learning the list goes on but I would always pick a prime lens and change the lens for the focal length that I need to get the shot .As and when is required 🖖🖖🖖

  • @NikCan66
    @NikCan66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    always stick with primes as give better resolution across-the-board.

  • @evolvingphotons
    @evolvingphotons 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I maybe an OM guy, but by heck my PL200mm is an amazing lens that is not going anywhere.

    • @yoemichelp_yoe
      @yoemichelp_yoe ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah. 100% agree. I just got mine two days ago and I am amazed

  • @amanandapan9635
    @amanandapan9635 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:12 針無兩頭利🤣

  • @stehlealexander
    @stehlealexander 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The cap does not fit to the jacket 😅😉 -> Yellowjackets

  • @ridealongwithrandy
    @ridealongwithrandy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Golly! Prime AND Zoom, that's for me ... heehee. For my Nikon's, I have the 200-500 f5.6, and the 300 F4D, and my favorite setup is the Olympus 300 F4 Pro, and the 40-150 F3.8 pro on my EM1X. My latest video a day at the lake is a mixture of these four lenses,Can you tell the difference? Cheers Jimmy!

  • @tomCGNpics
    @tomCGNpics 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your explanation that some (nerdy) photographers even use both prime and zoom was not very helpful (GAS alert!). When it was introduced, the 200/2.8 was the most expensive Panasonic lens. And for Panasonic a kind of benchmark lens to prove the possible image quality of the MFT system. (Although there were/are still some Olympus telephoto lenses with better resolution, to be honest). Now, after the production stop, they sell the rest for half the price (including 1.4 teleconverter!). Here in Germany even cheaper, -10%, than the zoom brothers, the 50-200/2.8-4 and the 100-400/4-6.3ii (both without teleconverter). This seems to put pressure on the second-hand market. Oh, it's quite tempting (again: GAS alert!).

  • @grahamanderson4136
    @grahamanderson4136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The owner's manual for the 100-400mm lens states "This lens has a dust-proof and splash-proof construction. " - so both lenses are OK for outdoor use in poor weather.

    • @pistonslapuk
      @pistonslapuk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There’s always one lol

    • @irishrose89775
      @irishrose89775 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Splash proof is not weather sealed! There is a big difference between an occasional drop and constant rain.

    • @grahamanderson4136
      @grahamanderson4136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@irishrose89775 The exact same wording is used in the owner's manual for the 200mm f2.8. I certainly agree that it wouldn't be wise to rely on the sealing exclusively!

    • @alandunn4459
      @alandunn4459 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have used mine in sub zero Celsius temps and heavy rain. No issues at all. But by design wouldn't risk it fully extended in a massive downpour like I would my 12-40 2.8. Only issues I have had are firmware related.

  • @frankinblackpool
    @frankinblackpool 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I'd seen this episode when the OM1 was released because I own the Panasonic 100-400mm lens and I was worried that the camera would not play nicely with the Panasonic lens.
    All reviews and specs suggested that the Olympus camera + Panasonic Lens would not communicate for Image Stability. Your episode put this fear to rest.
    However I chickened out and bought the GH6. I have no desire to state which camera system is better than the other as they are tools to do a job and you demonstrated that your OM1 and Panasonic lens produce stunning images. I can only offer the observation that my six year old 100-400mm pared with my GH6 produces far better images than when I used it with my old GH4 and GH5 cameras.
    I am happy to say that I have bought stuff from MPB before and I believe that they are a reputable and trustworthy company to buy and sell kit from.

  • @dawidwolnik628
    @dawidwolnik628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Prime up to 75mm, everything zoom

  • @zhengricky5446
    @zhengricky5446 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    针无两头利 basically means you cannot have all the good things in one, you have to do trade-off. BTW, where's the Oympus 150-400 pro?🤭

  • @klauslehrmann3906
    @klauslehrmann3906 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:54 - Open it, shut it.

  • @melvinch
    @melvinch 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The lip-sync is off really badly.

  • @lasticonoclast
    @lasticonoclast 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry, but the PL 100-400 is absolute rubbish from a durability standpoint. I had one for 6 months when someone bumped my lens (not hard mind you) and it snapped off at the lens mount. I found out that the mount is held onto the soft plastic of the lens body by a few small screws. A plastic shard had also nicked the sensor on my new G9. Panasonic's quote to repair the lens was almost as much as a new replacement, so I replaced my kit with an EM1.2, and later the Olympus 100-400 lens. Don't make my same mistake. Stick with a traditional camera manufacturer.

    • @lasticonoclast
      @lasticonoclast 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @KitJames Your question is premised on an assumption that I was using a tripod. I was hand holding the camera/lens when it got bumped. It shouldn't matter either way. This Panasonic lens mount is weak, held only in place by a few machine screws to the plastic body of the lens. There is absolutely no excuse for such a poor design.The other downside with Panasonic is their lack of adequate service facilities, at least here in the U.S. They were unable to repair my lens locally, so I was offered a refurbished unit at a very high cost. As a long-time Canon user, I never worried about service, but I will definitely factor that into any future selection of camera gear. So far, my Olympus 100-400 has been trouble-free, and I would put my faith every time in their robust, weather sealed designs.

    • @lasticonoclast
      @lasticonoclast 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @KitJames What's sad is that I truly loved using the G9; it was perfect for my needs. Had it not been for my experience with the Leica 100-400, I would still be using that kit, probably adding additional Lumix/Leica lenses to the mix. However, having to write-off a $2,700 kit after only 6 months was just too much to bear. I've also found my time with the replacement EM1.2 to be quite enjoyable, and now have an OM-1 on back order, so I'm all in on the OM system at this point.

    • @prabhakarrao4922
      @prabhakarrao4922 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is hard to ascertain from your statement as to how hard you knocked your lens. I’ve got the Pl 100-400 and it has had a few knocks such as knocking against tree trunks, falling on to the ground from waist height and a few minor bumps as well over the last almost 3 years and apart from obvious scratches everything appears to be fine. Perhaps you were rather unlucky. I used to have a Canon 6D onto which I had a canon EF 200mm f 2.8 lens and I happened to knock it against a significantly sized telescope Mount rendering both the lens and camera as damaged beyond “reasonable cost to repair” one of the glass elements had decentered resulting in my Astro images going soft one one side of the frame and the shutter box assembly in the camera intermittently seizing.