I thought about trying the carbon ti discs myself, but hesitated. Thanks to your review, I have now ordered the discs. I am excited! BTW, best TH-cam Chanel 😎❗️👍🏽
How much you weigh is the biggest factor. The more you weigh, the more you need more thermal inertia or cooling in your rotors. Generally, a beefier rotor stops better. Let us know how they work for you!
@@YoureSoVane as a mountain biker that’s stumbled across this video I’m wondering how that carbon manages with heat. I know that some cars come with carbon disks which obviously have no problem with heat but yet you hear of tyres getting blown off carbon rims because of heat from a rim brake. Is there like a point where they fail from heat?
@@TheNotoriousMIC Bottom line up front: carbon fiber will never tolerate heat like aluminum or steel. Those car brakes you referred to are really niche, and will defragment under enough load and simultaneous heat. They have a lot of other components in them besides carbon, and they may only survive a couple of races. Back to bikes. When the friction ring gets too hot, the heat has to go somewhere. If you have enough mass at the center lock, you can send some to the hub, so long as you don't heat it up enough for thermal expansion, which may disengage the brake rotor or otherwise screw with bearing alignment, depending on the where and how hot. Carbon fiber is a decent insulator (relative to aluminum) but the biggest threat is the heat softening the resin. I'm assuming that if they made this product, they've used a more resilient composite recipe, since it's not a hard failure mode to predict. However, no carbon fiber recipe will have the heat tolerance of aluminum, let alone steel. Brakes take the momentum of the rider and convert it into heat. There's an unnecessary physics explanation as to why it has to be heat. Any energy given off that is not heat means compromised braking. So your rotors should be designed to either shed away the heat faster than it can build up, or to take so long to heat up that it never reaches critical temperature. Either heat sinks, like Shimano rotors, or beefy one-piece steel construction like Magura. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Eventually, both will fail. Which one lasts longest depends on the bike, terrain, and rider. Once any component gets hot, it'll change it's shape, although ever so slightly. As it cools, it can reset is shape, too, depending on how it cools. You either need a material that can handle the heat, or one that doesn't get hot. If those carbon fiber spiders don't get hot, then the friction ring and brake pads are at risk of getting too hot. If the carbon fiber gets too hot, it'll lose strength and fold like a taco before exploding into hot, sharp shards. Lightweight riders on relatively flat roads will be fine, but for ANYTHING else I wouldn't touch them.
That intro is epic. I mean; the pacing of it may not be very TH-cam-alogrithm friendly, but as a work of art: 🔥🔥🔥 How many hours in the edit of this video? I'm guessing ~15 but I could be way, way off. So good man, so good. Please, don't change.
The day I take the "algorithm" in to account when making a video is the day I close the channel 😉 No idea how long but the intro probably took a week and multiple versions before I was somewhat satisfied.
your inner safa is just awsome. I had to watch the intro again! Carbon Ti ought to buy it from you for their youtube promos. They would instantly sell more.
Ive watched the into descent for a few times already and I will probably keep watching it until u release the next youtube video. Please make a similar but longer one in the future!
Aie! Very good production again Tobias. Thanks to you about the fakes. Not only saving someone their money but maybe injury or worse. As for the descending ... Whooosh! You had me leaning in my chair with my darling giggling to herself watching me watching you.
Trickstuff Dächle Ultralight (UL) rotors: 71grams for the 140 rotor, and 86grams for the 160 rotor. A friction ring with higher heat capacity and better pad cleaning characteristics. And featuring the very important connecting links between the bolt holes.
I just got my first disc road bike good info to ponder. More to think about then on MTB which I just run and run with never any problems and replace the bike before the rotors 😂
I am waiting every day for a video of you :) love the content and can't wait to attack those mountains in Japan!!! Please come visit Iwate because the road quality is good, there is enough gravel and not allot of cars !
Great opening Sir. I would not recommend Ashima rotors, and while they are light, they are are loud under heavy breaking, have significant fade and you would think dissipate heat well? Not really. They look cool (if you are after the minimal look). The campi rotors are my pick thus far, for the 140mm, coming in a tad over 100g (for CL), its not bad.
Hi, I really appreciate your reviews and after you recommended the Tune Bottle Cages I went and got them directly from Tune. They come with a rubber attachment that will go like a washer on the bottom screw. This will stop your bottle cages from rattling and also have a better hold. Just in case you like the esthetics more I am really happy with my purchase.
Maybe if I am ever so lucky to get back to see my inlaws I will find you and ride, mind you I am slow up the climbs, so it would have to be a recovery day. Never road in Japan when I was there, got into bike just recently, would have loved to have ridden all the abandoned mountain roads of my hometown.
Great video. If these are worn out give the kcnc once a try. I have those on my mtb in 160,160 and my roadbike in 160,140 and they work great. I'm 74kg. They make an awesome sound when braking but wear relatively fast. They may get funny colors but they never failed on me.
Would love to see a review on the Ashima Ai2 rotors, they're 72 grams (160mm) are are super cheap. Seem to have great reviews too. Much better than spending $300 on rotors haha Edit: I literally wrote this comment, then heard you speak about them, fair.
I ride the 160mm on the back of my dirt jump bike and they do get really hot when descending but my currrent brake is close to being completely smashed and I am looking forward to trying them with sintred padsand an entierly new brake soon. I would recommend trying them on a road bike for sure already because they are half the price of hopes for ex. and I feel like they would be suficient for me on a road bike as long as you are not descending a very long time at once. Sintred pads are a must though
Recently got my hand on a very similar to the Mandible bottlecage, namely Blackburn Cinch. Looks sturdy by far and claimed at 16g (can't prove it though)
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Nice video and fun intro 👍🚲. I was just thinking...this is SAFA like !!. But be careful.....not to channel your inner SAFA too much, otherwise you might break your collar bone ! 😉. Get well soon SAFA 😎🚲
Don't bother with the Aishima rotors. I also ride a lot of hills and big descents and the braking power is significantly less than stock Sram rotors (which I presume are similar to Shimano rotors). As your friend also noticed, the Aishimas also overheat really quickly -- so much that in a single 10 minute descent it felt like I lost 80% of braking power half way down.
5:11 my blood just froze. I would hit that guy thinking "man, he is on the wrong side of the road!". Scary :-) Awesome intro with descents, poetic, pleasure to watch.
Looks tons of fun! Nice video! And the rim/disc debate.... Meh. I have both. I live in Holland. It's flat here. So I don't need discs. But when riding in bad weather, it's nice my rims don't wear. So when buying a new bike it's disc for me. Costs less money in the long run. Froomes opinion doesn't matter to me. I'm not a pro and I don't have endless cash flow 😜
Bro, the intro this video was epic, breaking boundaries, breath taking, monumental well put together…… that wall a hell of an intro..for fakes rotors..!!!!! In my opinion go with shimano rotors, there is no sense to risk your life for saving a few grams with carbon rotors, no for the type is descent you are doing
You should mention that even though the initial investment is higher, afterwards you can have just the brake surface replaced keeping the original carbon slider for half the price of the new disc. That gives you effectively a new rotor for half the price.
I don't see the novelty on buying this rotor, I'd rather spend on icetech rotors for the money. I just use SRAM centerline fakes, tried to find legit ones but they are always out of stock. Lightweight, affordable, and works as intended.
I stopped using spider mounted rotors because when they go out of true they seem to be impossible to fix, truing never works and the rivets can get loose, had it on kcnc, hope etc. Once they go out of true that's it. Just gone back to all steel rotors that I can true properly when they go out
Just form the brands I like, (maap, attaquer, team dream, cafe du cyclist, etc etc.) the one in this video is from a small shop in Tokyo called “Bonsai cycleworks” you should be able to find it online as well. Just random searching for cheap $10 caps never really gives you anything nice though. Cheers!
I temporarily forgot the Japanese drive on the left side of the road. That car emerging at 5:11 nearly gave me a heart attack.
Same here!
Same xD
Love those cute little Jimnys
ROJ look like he hitting the appex and jimmy's look like overshoot from the corner
same here... i wrote it instand before i saw your post already!
dat intro
What a great intro man 👏🏻 stunning angles, amazing post production. You just made my sunday more fun.
Indeed
There is nothing better then a piece of cake and a RoJ Video after a rainy ride.
Only thing better is finding a new RoJ video and putting the kettle on immediately
Your editing and directing skills alone are worth the watch! I am at minute 2 and already hyped!
It pretty much ends at 2 minutes 😂 all that’s left is 10min of bike nerdery ;)
@@ridesofjapan It's not your first video that I've seen so I know what I've signed for. :)
And it still is a good job!
After watching that intro i got really hyped, but then i realised i live in the Netherlands. Flat as a pancake....
And instead of using brakes, you just turn against wind
Same here. No mountains here. The pads will give out for sure but i dont think ill need to change rhe rotors
But you guy have that bridge , that’s elevation 😁
Your videos are amongst the ones i enjoy the most on youtube, and i consume a huge amount of them! Congratulations on your films, they are amazing!
Appreciate that mate, cheers!
What a siiiick Intro! Love your attention to detail and the great cinematography 👌👌
This guy should be a highly compensated professional film maker. I mean, c'mon, this is just good.
I thought about trying the carbon ti discs myself, but hesitated. Thanks to your review, I have now ordered the discs. I am excited!
BTW, best TH-cam Chanel 😎❗️👍🏽
How much you weigh is the biggest factor. The more you weigh, the more you need more thermal inertia or cooling in your rotors. Generally, a beefier rotor stops better. Let us know how they work for you!
@@YoureSoVane as a mountain biker that’s stumbled across this video I’m wondering how that carbon manages with heat. I know that some cars come with carbon disks which obviously have no problem with heat but yet you hear of tyres getting blown off carbon rims because of heat from a rim brake. Is there like a point where they fail from heat?
@@TheNotoriousMIC Bottom line up front: carbon fiber will never tolerate heat like aluminum or steel. Those car brakes you referred to are really niche, and will defragment under enough load and simultaneous heat. They have a lot of other components in them besides carbon, and they may only survive a couple of races.
Back to bikes. When the friction ring gets too hot, the heat has to go somewhere. If you have enough mass at the center lock, you can send some to the hub, so long as you don't heat it up enough for thermal expansion, which may disengage the brake rotor or otherwise screw with bearing alignment, depending on the where and how hot.
Carbon fiber is a decent insulator (relative to aluminum) but the biggest threat is the heat softening the resin. I'm assuming that if they made this product, they've used a more resilient composite recipe, since it's not a hard failure mode to predict. However, no carbon fiber recipe will have the heat tolerance of aluminum, let alone steel.
Brakes take the momentum of the rider and convert it into heat. There's an unnecessary physics explanation as to why it has to be heat. Any energy given off that is not heat means compromised braking. So your rotors should be designed to either shed away the heat faster than it can build up, or to take so long to heat up that it never reaches critical temperature. Either heat sinks, like Shimano rotors, or beefy one-piece steel construction like Magura. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Eventually, both will fail. Which one lasts longest depends on the bike, terrain, and rider.
Once any component gets hot, it'll change it's shape, although ever so slightly. As it cools, it can reset is shape, too, depending on how it cools. You either need a material that can handle the heat, or one that doesn't get hot. If those carbon fiber spiders don't get hot, then the friction ring and brake pads are at risk of getting too hot. If the carbon fiber gets too hot, it'll lose strength and fold like a taco before exploding into hot, sharp shards. Lightweight riders on relatively flat roads will be fine, but for ANYTHING else I wouldn't touch them.
That intro is epic. I mean; the pacing of it may not be very TH-cam-alogrithm friendly, but as a work of art: 🔥🔥🔥 How many hours in the edit of this video? I'm guessing ~15 but I could be way, way off. So good man, so good. Please, don't change.
The day I take the "algorithm" in to account when making a video is the day I close the channel 😉
No idea how long but the intro probably took a week and multiple versions before I was somewhat satisfied.
@@ridesofjapan Worth every second. Again; never change. 🙌
More descent videos from Rides of Japan! Awesome! Love it when RoJ releases a new video.
The descent sequence after the intro sends shivers down the spine. Top notch editing and music
Superb mix of comedy and information, as always.
The braking force is strong with those genuine rotors. Excellent vlog.👏👏👏
This is a movie. Awesome talent
dude the editing on your videos is very good - this is high quality stuff. Love the new ride btw
Ha! I feel the same way about the adrenaline rush from descents on the bike to be very similar to snowboarding. Great content as always, cheers!!
I don't understand because you don't have more followers, your videos are sooo nice! Keep it up!
Don’t want many subscribers, I only want the best subscribers ;)
Cheers mate!
your inner safa is just awsome. I had to watch the intro again! Carbon Ti ought to buy it from you for their youtube promos. They would instantly sell more.
Another awesome video Tobias. Love the editing of that amazing descent!!
Those tee-shirt designs are hilarious. I went back a couple seconds just to get a good look at them again. Too funny
Man i would love some vlogs from your rides in japan, it looks quite the dream !
I really don’t enjoy filming out on the bike.. takes away the fun of riding, but I have a few ideas for later in the years.
Ive watched the into descent for a few times already and I will probably keep watching it until u release the next youtube video. Please make a similar but longer one in the future!
I too had a bit of a oh oh moment when I saw the car, Thanks for your very, very, entertaining and informative videos keep them coming
Get the Trickstuff Dächle UL, 74/91g for the 140/160mm discs, but 1,85mm thick and made from one piece
Aie! Very good production again Tobias. Thanks to you about the fakes. Not only saving someone their money but maybe injury or worse.
As for the descending ... Whooosh! You had me leaning in my chair with my darling giggling to herself watching me watching you.
Holy shit that opening descent sequence was fuckin' incredible. Safa would be green with envy!!
Trickstuff Dächle Ultralight (UL) rotors: 71grams for the 140 rotor, and 86grams for the 160 rotor. A friction ring with higher heat capacity and better pad cleaning characteristics. And featuring the very important connecting links between the bolt holes.
Beautiful video of your descents! Beautiful bike too. Thanks for the sound recommendations my friend. Rock on.
Fantastic opening shots of you descending !
Top notch video production, love the intro and the Safa vibes!
Ah, bringing back sweet memories of those twisty Japanese mountain descents. The stuff of cycling dreams. You really hit the vibe with those shots!
The Moment @5:12 where my heart skipped because i thought you would crash... Then i realized that Japan is also left driving !!!
I love your videos. This is amazing 😍. And yeah... I expect my rotors to last a bit longer here in the Netherlands :)
Awesome production!
Love the nod to SAFA! Very informative, thank you!
I just got my first disc road bike good info to ponder. More to think about then on MTB which I just run and run with never any problems and replace the bike before the rotors 😂
Legendary opening scene. I was hiding behind my sofa! 👊
wish at least weekly uploads from you. awesome videos
I am waiting every day for a video of you :) love the content and can't wait to attack those mountains in Japan!!! Please come visit Iwate because the road quality is good, there is enough gravel and not allot of cars !
You’re a funny guy, love your vids, shooting and post production next level!!
Man, you LEEEEAAAAN the bike, awesome skill going downhill, kudos, very impressed
Great opening Sir. I would not recommend Ashima rotors, and while they are light, they are are loud under heavy breaking, have significant fade and you would think dissipate heat well? Not really. They look cool (if you are after the minimal look). The campi rotors are my pick thus far, for the 140mm, coming in a tad over 100g (for CL), its not bad.
Ok..that is an amazing intro..hands down. Great video angles....!!!!
Added production value on a budget. I love it.
Found Galfer roads rotors and they seems pretty good in terms of look, weight, thickness (1.8mm new and 1.2mm minimum) and price.
Intro is very good .very informative always here to supoort.
What a downhill, What an intro, What a good Video, once again. Thanks a lot.
Hi, I really appreciate your reviews and after you recommended the Tune Bottle Cages I went and got them directly from Tune. They come with a rubber attachment that will go like a washer on the bottom screw. This will stop your bottle cages from rattling and also have a better hold. Just in case you like the esthetics more I am really happy with my purchase.
Maybe if I am ever so lucky to get back to see my inlaws I will find you and ride, mind you I am slow up the climbs, so it would have to be a recovery day. Never road in Japan when I was there, got into bike just recently, would have loved to have ridden all the abandoned mountain roads of my hometown.
Great video. If these are worn out give the kcnc once a try. I have those on my mtb in 160,160 and my roadbike in 160,140 and they work great. I'm 74kg. They make an awesome sound when braking but wear relatively fast. They may get funny colors but they never failed on me.
very nice vid!
I am gonna go re-watch that intro again now.
Vilka jävla vägar du är bortskämd med kompis! 🔥
Om du bara visste ;)
Would love to see a review on the Ashima Ai2 rotors, they're 72 grams (160mm) are are super cheap. Seem to have great reviews too. Much better than spending $300 on rotors haha
Edit: I literally wrote this comment, then heard you speak about them, fair.
I ride the 160mm on the back of my dirt jump bike and they do get really hot when descending but my currrent brake is close to being completely smashed and I am looking forward to trying them with sintred padsand an entierly new brake soon.
I would recommend trying them on a road bike for sure already because they are half the price of hopes for ex. and I feel like they would be suficient for me on a road bike as long as you are not descending a very long time at once.
Sintred pads are a must though
Recently got my hand on a very similar to the Mandible bottlecage, namely Blackburn Cinch. Looks sturdy by far and claimed at 16g (can't prove it though)
Fantastic video! Loved the intro... keep up the great work. Really informative.
Just love watching your videos! Great editing/directing/execution! And go disc!
Your inner SAFA? Diggin it, lovin it 😀👍
Such an awesome video! Thank you!
Kactus ultralight from aliexpress are also 👌 they last long are 92gr at 160mm 6 screw and only 97gr 160mm centerlock. Cost around 40$.
Incredible intro. I don’t know how you manage to keep topping your own edits.
Lucky, you have Mountains that you can ride in the winter .
I know, one of the reasons I live here permanently ;)
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🙌
Solid production. It got to be so good I almost thought there was going to be one without any spelling errors ;)
That happen to me I changed out my drive train 3 times during 8 years, hills and mountains each commute home.
Nice video and fun intro 👍🚲. I was just thinking...this is SAFA like !!. But be careful.....not to channel your inner SAFA too much, otherwise you might break your collar bone ! 😉. Get well soon SAFA 😎🚲
Nice cap! I cherish the mitts I bought at Bonsai in Oct 2019...ah, international travel 😳
Don't bother with the Aishima rotors. I also ride a lot of hills and big descents and the braking power is significantly less than stock Sram rotors (which I presume are similar to Shimano rotors). As your friend also noticed, the Aishimas also overheat really quickly -- so much that in a single 10 minute descent it felt like I lost 80% of braking power half way down.
5:11 my blood just froze. I would hit that guy thinking "man, he is on the wrong side of the road!". Scary :-) Awesome intro with descents, poetic, pleasure to watch.
XC mbt bike with cheap XC brakes, and one day, yes one day in a bike park in the alps. Rotors completely chewed up and gone completely blue :)
Nice action sequence at the beginning and great to see the bike's being ridden too 😂😂😂
Those are the best bottle cages. You can actually put a completely frozen water bottle in the cage and you won't lose it.
Damn man why do u have to be this cool on the thumbnail? Great edit btw!
We do indeed need to do that, you teasin' bastard!
You sure know how to make an intro! Great stuff!
Epic start of the vid! And the rest was great as well 😉
Looks tons of fun! Nice video! And the rim/disc debate.... Meh. I have both. I live in Holland. It's flat here. So I don't need discs. But when riding in bad weather, it's nice my rims don't wear. So when buying a new bike it's disc for me. Costs less money in the long run. Froomes opinion doesn't matter to me. I'm not a pro and I don't have endless cash flow 😜
Bro, the intro this video was epic, breaking boundaries, breath taking, monumental well put together…… that wall a hell of an intro..for fakes rotors..!!!!! In my opinion go with shimano rotors, there is no sense to risk your life for saving a few grams with carbon rotors, no for the type is descent you are doing
As always your editing is awesome! 👏
Should we expect a descent disciples video next time? 😉
I think I’ll leave that to the pro ;)
(and by Pro I mean Safa 🤘)
I bet descent disciples sounds amazing in Japanese
Sickest into! Yo, I loved the clips 🔥🔥🔥
Another. Excellent. Video. Thank you.
For your next weight-saving venture, what about some Berd spokes? 🤓
Not really interested in those for Road
You should mention that even though the initial investment is higher, afterwards you can have just the brake surface replaced keeping the original carbon slider for half the price of the new disc. That gives you effectively a new rotor for half the price.
Slick, very slick
One of those broke on me! Noticed it in my pre ride check, so nothing bad happened. Back on magura...
Yes, I had to buy a shirt. Thanks!
Another great video! Thanks for sharing both the good and the bad (i.e., getting fakes).
That introduction 😅👌
Most epic intro ever!!
Your artistry.... chapeau!
i bought the Tune wassertrager MTB for my road bike. They are higher so your bottle doesn't hit the frame.
I don't see the novelty on buying this rotor, I'd rather spend on icetech rotors for the money. I just use SRAM centerline fakes, tried to find legit ones but they are always out of stock. Lightweight, affordable, and works as intended.
The downhill shots made me dizzy. NICE!
I stopped using spider mounted rotors because when they go out of true they seem to be impossible to fix, truing never works and the rivets can get loose, had it on kcnc, hope etc. Once they go out of true that's it. Just gone back to all steel rotors that I can true properly when they go out
Brilliant high quality intro!
U r a genius! Love ur intros!
what an awesome intro.
I have the Bontrager XXX Bottle cage, they are super light.
Man, were do you get all your amazing cycling caps? All I can ever find is random ass junk. Good content as usual!
Just form the brands I like, (maap, attaquer, team dream, cafe du cyclist, etc etc.) the one in this video is from a small shop in Tokyo called “Bonsai cycleworks” you should be able to find it online as well.
Just random searching for cheap $10 caps never really gives you anything nice though.
Cheers!