The 'Game Changer' for Superyacht Industry is Here!
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Great review, eSysman, and explained so even this old layman can understand. Well done, as always. Cheers.
Im anchored on my sailboat off an island in the Sea of Cortez watching this video via Starlink. I get 200mbit speeds for $1,350 MX / month.
StarLink has made a gigantic difference in Wyoming. When your ranch is 50 miles away from the nearest hard wired internet connection, and the geosynchronous satellite, is expensive, with poor bandwidth. Starlink is transformational. Upwards of 200 mbps at a fraction of the cost.
great great news. Elon Musk is a genius. im sure this news pisses of all the Elon critics...peace out
Norman you are an exceptional human . I have noticed that your presentations don't just get a little bit better but the curve of your professionalism is exponential. wow like theres no looking back. Thanks for this presentation about Star link and its abilities.
It must be a 'game changer' for the crew? when they have downtime while at sea, they don't get to play with the owners toys like guests do, so internet access must be a real bonus for them. Video calls to family, movies and series, whatsapp messages to loved ones. just that feeling of still being connected with friends and family.
Great video.. thanks for sharing.
eSysman is obviously a man of many talents. Obviously experienced in his profession, but just as evident is how adroit he is at making these videos for us. And now look at him discussing satellites and latency - we see he knows his networking. Thanks for another interesting episode.
Agree - very interesting to see this side of superyachts and the change that Starlink is making. Great video.
Jerry
Nothing pretentious or condescending about this post.
I've been watching his stuff since before the gray hairs in his beard. 😂😂😂😂
No matter where you go, the screens are there. Either we hold them in our hands or display them in front of 😢our comfortable seating. How sad it must have been when you couldn't share a selfie at the beach bar or watch a football game real time. Only now, like Twitter changed, Mr Musk holds the communications of the planet in the pocketbook of his company. This could be really good or oops, not so good
I suspect he's a telecommunications entrepreneur with a mega yacht that likes to masquerade as a TH-cam blogger - just a theory of course!
When you first started talking about Starlink months or whatever back, I looked into the residential service...especially thinking of my days in living in Alaska and even still, in the scheme of things internet connectivity is somewhat limited by one-two suppliers. And, now as you hear about various countries at war absolutely depending on Starlink. Definitely a weird shift in power that not even Austin Powers could have foreseen. Just creatively trying to think like a gillionaire S/Y owner....is there a certain bravado and upmanship with other S/Y owners about how big or how many of their VSAT antennas? They really have been a major component of the S/Y's "mast" design and construction. Let alone the direct sun heat issues you addressed on a previous video that had all the VSAT antennas painted black. So, moving forward in S/Y design and construction, these Starlink antennas probably help the future designs much more minimally. I wonder if the VSAT sales guys are like....crap, no more commissions for us! 😂
Really is a big deal. I got a commercial Starlink system for one of my remote business locations and it was about a 5 minute project to have very fast internet. Comcast the local provider with no service in the area would have charged $80K to run fiber to the facility.
I haven't turned my TV on in months. I do everything on a laptop or tablet or phone using the internet.
Great video! Thanks.
exactly ....way things going worldwide
At the recent Antigua Yacht Show, there were so many StarLink equipped superyachts in the same space, that they “ate” all the bandwidth of the StarLink system, and each vessel was reducer to 1-2 mbit speed. Its like when too many cellphones all try to use the same Tower, at a sporting event or newyears, there is not enough capacity for all. As more and more yachts get StarLink, and they all go to the same places in the Med or Caribbean, the problem will grow. I Think yacht hotspots will have to invest in 5G landbased networke, and yachts will have to get secondary 5G nets to backup/supplement the StarLink systems
Presumably there will be more satellites soon. Starlink is nowhere close to their final total nor done upgrading as satellites are replaced. Given their size and low orbits I'm not sure they last all that long.
But it's all rich people problems to me. Won't cry for the guy who has to buy 5G repeaters or deal with low bandwidth from the comfort of his superyacht salon.
I went to an event a few years back & saw a trailer with a mobile phone tower parked out front. I laughed at first but when 50,000 people turned up I realized just what effect it can have on a network. New system, same problems. Elon will work it out & just the right price (for him)
5G has health questions around it and additionally it hates water vapour. It is short range and expensive. Not a good match for yachting compared to bandwidth improvements in Starlink.
now there is some reality, like a tesla battery fire. My 30 dollar a month internet is 375mbps down, and 12 up. I live next to a univeristy. I must be "lucky".
Yeah that’s going to happen, luckily for yachts when it’s needed most (owner onboard) they most likely will not be huddled together like that.
I've had starlink for two years now. I live on the US/CA border in a very remote area with the closest city over 200 miles away. My speeds average 100mbs up, 7-10 down and latency between 15 and 20ms. I wonder why your friend on the ship was getting such different speeds?
We've had Starlink for more than two years here in country Australia. It has changed our lives, literally. Working from home is reliable and fast. Compared to ADSL which is useless, particularly when trees keep knocking the cable out and 4G with it's max 2Mbits. Also unreliable with power cuts.
I did an Indian Ocean crossing August-October on a Cat with Starlink. I was the only one onboard without access, owner is a bit of a DB but I didn't care because I am not slave to the internet. I actually like being offline for weeks, onshore I am just too bored. Anyway it seemed to perform fairly well but there were lots of dropped connections as they were streaming music often and it seemed nearly every three or four songs at best. This was a single antenna installation but I heard, and seen one, the large yachts were running up to 4. It looks interesting but lets see how long before the party line becomes just that, a crowded shared bandwidth. Am sure there will be premium service with more dedicated access limits for the extra $$$ but still loads cheaper than VSAT/Iridium/Inmarsat.
*DB 😂
Hello Fellow Yachting Enthusiasts And Friends: Thank you for this very elegant video. Guys your efforts & hard work are always appreciated by myself & I'm certain many others. Thank you again & God Bless to all, TMP from N.J.
Another N.J. fan in the house. Love these videos.
i too dwell in N.J......haha @@koolblue6927
We arrived in Martinique on Friday after an Atlantic crossing. We had Starlink fitted just before we left. We did have to reset the system twice but apart from that it was great. Never had internet on a crossing before and to be able to Skype my wife was so good.
Amazing! I am pleased super yacht owners are finally catching a break!
It's not just the rich, here in country Australia we finally have reliable internet.
Yeah. The poor, oppressed superyacht owners. ‘Bout time they had some luck.
@@TesterAnimal1 Really? If you can afford internet, you can afford Starlink. You're literally on the internet. Search how much it costs where you live. You don't have to be rich. I just wish I could earn money with these comments, but I can't because it's literally a google search away.
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One thing I think you have wrong is the number of satellites in the Star link constellation yes they have a licence for I think 32,000 but even if it is the 40,000 you quoted they no longer need that many, They are now launching the V2 mini a much larger and heavier satellite that is 3 or 4 times as capable the drawback is that they can only launch 22 or 23 on a Falcon 9 as opposed to the 50 plus V1. However this still is a net increase in capacity for under half the satellites, In 2024 they will be using full size V2 or a new V3 launched from star ship these will be even more capable again reducing the number of satellites required.
Now this could all be rubbish because although the logic and numbers are sound if the demand for Star link is so much higher than originally projected they will have those 40,000 except each one will be 5 or 6 times as capable.
Note for those of you who play around with stocks If Star link goes public its profitability is heavily tied to Starship since it can put ten times as many satellites into orbit for less than half the price
I spent my career in the SATCOM industry. Back in the day, say mid 80s, the latency was almost 3 whole seconds! 🙂 Starlink is certainly changing the game.
I remember phoning home from the Falkland Islands in mid nineties and the latency was like that, at the time we said it was 5 seconds. Horrendous.
@@YachtReport 5 seconds is certainly possible depending on the location and footprint of the satellite used. Sometimes 2 or even 3 SATLINKS may be required to connect the callers. Those were the days! :)
Starling seems like a great advance of technology. Having Elon Musk in control of the technology strikes me as being, at least, very scary.
Very informative and well put together ..... I never knew that bandwith was so poor on a SY .....
It is almost as bad as telling the crew to wind the rubber band tighter so you could watch a movie. lol
I wonder how much this will change QOL for commercial sailors as well, assuming owners are willing to foot the bill for the equipment and service.
Cheers from the Caribbean via Starlink!
despite being a brilliant system its far from complete, plus these satelite, there will ultimately be 42,000, they need replacing every 5 years, do need a very sustainable cash flow and so far only have 2 million subscribers, they need a lot more, expect to see an IPO soon, in order to access more money
Switching from one monopoly to another
Competition will eventually bring down prices to a fraction of what Starlink charges now. People that don’t work on yachts have no idea the amount of down time there is without owners or clients onboard.
We strapped the RV version to my friends catamaran in France summer before last and set off for Italy. It was amazing. Perfect.
Back in the 80's my dad had a business providing the movies for the crews entertainment. 16mm films, usually 3 reels to a movie/case, and 3 movies in a can. I got to deliver many of these cans to commercial ships. It then moved into the 1/2 inch video tapes, beta, and then VHS tapes. It is a little bit different now.
By now, this is one of only two channels on TH-cam I check manually for updates every day. Screw that bell! 🙂
@juan, only two ? Their are thousands of other channels. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BELIEVE WHAT IS SAID, AT ALL. Just that they do show what's out there. 😊
You said "The internet is here, life will never be the same."
True but perhaps the sky will never look the same either. It's been estimated that when Starlink have the full 40,000 satellites (leaving aside the congestion at low levels), there might be more of Elon's craft visible in the sky than stars. And what if a competitor decides to do the same thing with yet more?
We're losing something precious are we not?
Excellent overview. I agree that VSat is doomed due to the differences in performance and cost. It makes sense to buy the 2 Starlink antennas for $5 K but can you do a video recommending the cell and wifi systems you would integrate with starlink to minimize costs given a typical 2 season schedule in Europe and the Caribbean and US East Coast with 2 ocean crossings. Most owners do not really need $5k per month for coastal cruising when cheaper cell service is available using a Pepwave antenna integrated with routers and sources. Would you still recommend a Plex or Kaleidoscope system to reduce streaming demand. Thanks for your advice.
Wikipedia says 4423 Starlink sattelites are operational as of 7 November 2023 and they had launched over 5500 of them. That's crazy. They were telling people they made 6 sats a day in 2020. It really is fast work how it's all come together.
Interesting. You talked about this coming in a video in the spring 2022 last year. Now it's reality. Thanks for the update.
My inlaws were just in antartica and their small cruise ship had starlink. We were doing facetime with no issues, and my father in law was able to use a vpn and watch his football game with pretty good quality on his laptop. Kind of crazy to think of that capability in virtually the remotest part of the planet.
Unbelievable development!
Starlink is dead in the water. By the time they're not even half-way to deploying the satellite net the first ones will be falling down. They'd have to speed up the turnaround of launches double or triple, ballooning costs when they're not even breaking even now. It will either fail or end up being something for commercial use and the rich above the western hemisphere (richer countries), out of reach for everyone else due to the prohibitive cost. But it might still be cheaper than traditional satellite rates so it's a niche market...
(And no even with a fully deployed network they wouldn't break even, most of the clients able to afford this live in western countries plus Middle East so they'd need millions of customers in concentrated areas = slow connections similar to traditional sat except maybe better latency. If they keep Starlink alive the price will only go up in the future.)
Very interesting info on a side of superyachts that we see little of. More technical stuff would be appreciated.
I was one of the Beta testers for Starlink... and immediately started using it on my MY.. It's been great and continually gets better as more satellites go up.. Originally I was limited to my geographic cell, but that changed with the mobile version. I've got a KVH/Direct tv system onboard, but dropped the Direct Subsciption soon after Starlink.. just no need for it... I stream everything now, and I'm told, although I haven't done it, I can use Starlink in a telephony mode.
Your video info and presentation has become so good that even non-boaties like me are enthralled. Love when a new vid lands, thanks for all the work that goes into them.
Your evolution has been fun to watch. All of your videos are getting really good, and your photography and quick hitting filler clips are just fantastic. Some of the best imagery of any youtube videos. Thanks for all the time you spend getting all of this footage, and then putting it together with always interesting and informative commentary!
hard to believe people paid 20K a month for internet at sea, but it's probably expensive to operate a satellite for a limited market and their customers are well off if they can afford a charter or ownership of a superyacht. being relatively poor, 40$ US a month satisfies my internet desires.
Maybe they should introduce a system where tracking via starlink can't be turned off.
Very well done and interesting!
It is for sure the very best advertising for Starlink. 👍
I watch and enjoy all of your videos. This is one that I found super enjoyable. Thanks Syman! 💕
V-sat will never be able to buyout Starlink. 😊
Extremely important and informative video. Starlink explained well. And in plain speak. Quickly. Thank you.
40,000 satelites? Wow!
2 years ago when I said my starlink was WAY Better than what was being used on yachts- You laughed at me -
Just did a test on my satellite wifi system.182 down 21 up 28 latency. Starlink is amazing. Yes, a game changer for maritime.
I just got off a cruise to Antarctica. A year ago I would have been off grid until I returned to Ushuaia Argentina. But I was posting pictures and videos live and watching TH-cam and Netflix. It worked flawlessly. 6 flat dishes was enough for everyone. Brilliant.
Something I never mention in this video was how the old system never covered the polar regions. It was in my old videos though on the subject. Amazing that it’s now the same down there are everywhere else!
Is the US Navy, or any other, going to use this system if it is secure to them?
They are already using them.
The US DOD is already a big customer.
No matter how busy- need internet for sure 👍🏻
Enjoyed the review, thank you. How these StarLink systems will be implemented on consumer cruise ships will be interesting to follow. Next year I’ll be spending two months on one ship (LA-Alaska-Japan-SE Asia-Indonesia-Australia-New Zealand) and then a few months later a month on a different cruise line’s ship (New Zealand-Hawaii-LA). I suspect that profits, margins and ROI will be the first deciding parameters for cruise lines adding StarLink… until StarLink service being available to cruise passengers becomes more common and then it might be a competitive perk (albeit still an added cost to passengers and another profit line item for the cruise lines).
It’s not always sunny? I thought all yachts stayed in Philadelphia
You might mention that yacht designers in the near future will be able to disregard those big ugly balloons on top for a sleeker look. Always an excellent vid.
Best video for ages. Thank's mate.
Your content and video's are excellent.
For many years I had show control equipment on a whole lot of cruise ships. Every so often something would break, and take a theater down in the middle of a cruise. Most ships had backup hardware and someone knowledgeable that could make a swap, so it didn't affect the passengers. But sometimes, such as a show changeover or major failure, they would have to get an expert from the home office on board. And sometimes they would have questions for me.
It was normal that they could send one email a day to me, and get back one response, that they usually got the next day. That was all the bandwidth that a major cruise ship had available. No phones, just very limited email.
I currently have family members on a world cruise that are in phone contact daily via whatsapp. Incredible clarity.
Game changer indeed! Not only do yachts stand to benefit from this, recreation vehicles (motorhomes, caravans, etc.) can also get Starlink so being connected in the middle of the woods or desert is possible. Developing countries....such as the Philippines which has had to rely on very spotty or slow internet connections....now has access to Starlink in most areas of the country which is opening a whole new world of possibilities.
THANKS ESYSMAN….🤗 NOW I WON’T HAVE TO MISS AN VIDEO OF YOU NEXT TIME I AM ON A YACHT 😁🤗💚💚💚
Being in Titusville, FL we see SpaceX launches all the time. The night time launches are the best as the sky really lights up. Nothing like the rumble of the massive engines lifting off.
I got my pilots licence at Titusville late 90's shuttle launches and landings were awesome, one day the instructor called up NASA to ask if we could fly a bit closer and they allowed us to fly alongside the runway with a just landed shuttle still on the runway. I guess those days are gone now.
Even more mind blowing is watching the first stage come back and land. We watch the Vandenberg launches in Santa Barbara and it's crazy to watch the first stages come *back*.
@@zf4hp24 We saw the first successful landing of the first stage. Nice sonic boom.
What an interesting video!
we are living in the future now
Thank you for your explanation of the need for TVs and Internet on yachts - and for answering my comment. Always good to hear a side of yachting we may not think about. It's why I watch your channel in preference to the others.
Great video thumbs 👍
Interesting thoughts.
Let's see how many fit on a yacht.
You know they will want multiple.
A definite game changer. It will be interesting to see how the pricing goes in a few years. The satellite system is not cheap to maintain. I heard one engineer state that they only last five years and have to be replaced. The issue I have heard is when you have a lot of yachts in the same general vicinity, the speeds drop significantly. Wonder how service is in Arctic region. Great video though.
Have used Starlink nearshore and will be using it offshore this summer. Hope they make a DC-powered version, but even if we need an inverter it will be worth it. It is indeed a game changer even for small vessels.
We need to see a Cyber Truck on a yacht. The companies that make up star link are all working together. More to come. Great video ❤
👍✅ I understand that you plug your patron at the end BUT I never watch till the end, which is a massive help to TH-cam numbers, when that comes on. THIS video and any/all future videos that you do without the ad a the end I will watch to the last second to do my little part to thank you for your work!!!!
Ouuuuu!! I’m so excited! My next super yacht will definitely have this!! I. Fact I may sell the old one just to get this!!! Whoopi!!!
HDPE superyacht hulls? Anyone? Cant wait to watch Starsky and Hutch on a slippery new superyacht made of plastic. Come to think of it television isn't worth a $700,000 opportunity.
For your information, here are the data for my fiber connection at home (in France) !
Ping 1 ms, Download 938mbps, Upload 808 Mbps
doesn't this essentially make Starlink a monopoly in the marine internet provider industry? i doubt any other provider will be able to provide such a product, without launching thousands of satellites of their own...
so today it may cost 5k per month... in a year it may cost 50k per month (still JUUST under what traditional systems do) while providing 100x more Mbps, and 10x faster ping...
Live your reports but... everytime Elon launches a rocket, the chemicals from the rocket deplete the Ozone layer.
As an ex Network engineer and now Cyber Security person, I would be in contact with your home ISP. Fiber should generally be in 1-20ms pending your ISP isn't over saturated. I have a 1GbE connection and my latency is 1ms. Starlink is absolutely game changing, have a lot of friends who live in remote areas who are now connected online.
Excellent content
I watch a TH-cam channel of a lovely couple who RV full-time, including to very remote places in Alaska. They rave about having Starlink on their RV.
There is a lot of difference between a yacht and a cruise ship.
I'd get bored pretty quickly on an atlantic crossing on a yacht, especially if I couldn't watch esysman videos. 😂😅😂😅😅
I just wonder though, if Elon gets all those satellites up that he wants if they will block rockets going up higher? Seems it could turn into a game of dodgem. 😮
Elon is such a genius.
At the recent Antigua Yacht Show, there were so many StarLink equipped superyachts in the same space, that they “ate” all the bandwidth of the StarLink system, and each vessel was reducer to 1-2 mbit speed. Its like when too many cellphones all try to use the same Tower, at a sporting event or newyears, there is not enough capacity for all. As more and more yachts get StarLink, and they all go to the same places in the Med or Caribbean, the problem will grow. I Think yacht hotspots will have to invest in 5G landbased networke, and yachts will have to get secondary 5G nets to backup/supplement the StarLink systems
Never mind the owners, wives, or crew, but the kids wouldn’t allow 2 weeks isolated from their social media lol.🤪👌. Thanks for an informative video.🇨🇦🙏👍
Biggest revolution to me anyways remains the natural gas powered turbine because the electrical draw to power not just these ships...and these are ships...is so enormous to include all that be fitted out such as presented here...incredible the power demands. I don't personally use nor have tested nor validated Starlink but it would seem to have what i think in the business is known as "high latency" meaning "takes time to download" as opposed to Verizon FIOS which has effectively zero or very low latency "instant download" of say a Movie or other data intensive "media." Where having any latency period matters in navigation is a huge deal though as knowing what the weather, the tides, waves/sea state plus communication ship to shore...a lot like running an Airport trying to dock these massive vessels let alone making sure all good to go before getting "underway." Long Garmin strong buy. Easy double from here as Ye Olde Ten Bagger is back.
Another video ruined by the level of background music.
The rule of thumb for fiber optic latency with high optical quality fiber is 1ms per 100km. That is if you have a straight cable run with no back reflection at any splices or connectors. That is just simple physics, lasers running at the speed of light through the optical coefficient of the medium (in this case high quality fiber). With TCP each packet is sent and then a reply packet confirming the receipt comes back before the next is sent. So max throughput for a single threaded conversation is simple math of 1 second divided by the latency times the size of the packets.
Great video. I figured you were going to say Starlink. Back 60-100 years ago, they envisioned incorrectly that we would have near limitless energy. I guess it make sense in retrospect. Energy capability in the preceding 100 years was massive, so wouldn't it continue. Well, yes, but not at the same pace. Instead information and connectivity went insane. So much so, that it was really not even imaginable by even the great science fiction writers of the day. We may not be able to take vacations to mars, but we do have phones and powerful computers in our pocket that can connect across the globe.
Of course, I am going to want TV on my M/Y, I am going to need the noise distraction while I am mining all the on-board couch cushions to continue paying for said yacht. (:
good report tick ---- have you considered post on secondary super yacht boats like riva // and some vintage super yachts like hemingways boat // etc odd question do you need a bbc license if in port in UK // thoughts of licensing agents knocking on superyacht door ------ no he is busy, owner is watching the football ------- yes but can we see his license - he owns the football club / agent tv but is his license up to date we accept direct debit sign here .... thank you bl-----dy people /////
I was (and still am) pretty impressed with the speed of dial up internet. I was happy to have a connection. I still use my aol email :)
My 300 baud modem is still in my closet with my Apple II+ 🥰
Fabulous detail ... Stay Safe & Keep Reporting!! ☘
I continue to wonder why the upload speed is throttled. Here in the Philippines I have fiber to the house and get up to 300 Mbps up and 300 Mbps down. How do they get away with this?
Don't know where you live, but my latency is 4 or 5 ms, which is 10 times better then starlink. Sure it is great and a real game changer, but cant say the latency is on par.
When Starship is operational, the much bigget and more capable new generation Starlink satellites will come online, which will speed things up and ease the bandwidth bottlenecks.
Fancy playing a low latency online game at Point Nemo 😎
Don’t give Elon Musk any more importance in this world.
irridium was also the best thing since sliced bread for a number of years and then failed finnacially (bailed out by US military and others and still operates but with small niche markets). Starlink is hopefully "too big to fail" at this point, but remember that its satellites are low enough that they fall out of the sky after a few years and Starlink needs to pay for continually launching new ones to replace the ones that de-orbit. So if this is not financially viable, then long term, the service could stop.
Every satelite system is limited by the capacity of the uplink between ground station and satellite(s). For geostationary one, someone using it on east coast of USA would be sharing uplink capacity with someone using it on west coast of USA. The newer satellites have spot beams to different uplink locatiosn to increase capacity. But where all your users are concentrated on that uplink that becomes the bottleneck. The big think about Starlink is that it can deploy uplink stations where it wants and continue to add them which reduces the number of users per uplink. Geostationary satellites have fixed uplink beams to a predetermined location prior to launch and can't be changed once launched.
The legacy satellites should not have different performance based on your location unless you cross to another satellite and one has more congested uplink than the other. With Starlink you never know which uplink your traffic will use (though some educated guesses can be made based on spectrum use rules and the limited loophole on rights to use ship-to-satellite anywhere if the uplink is in the USA).
I can only dream of owning a super yacht ..... but if i did, I would leave the internet behind 😊
The biggest point you made during the video was the necessity for having the massive expenditures for such a poor product. Owners were actually being held over the barrel. You had to maintain an internet connection because thats how you communicate with ports. You may be thinking, The guy owns a yatch, what does he care about spending a day waiting for the proper documentation to come into port. Multiply that say by just twenty boats. Times the number aboard each vessel. And if its a relatively small port. You may spend three days or more waiting for clearance. And yatchs are run on a schedule although not as stringent as commercial boats they do have a pretty tight schedule. Having this capability is more than a game changer, it just invented a new one. Theres places owners would have to avoid if they had to maintain contact for any number of reasons. Now they have a connection anywhee on earth. So the places traveled to are now endless.
Distance to the Geosynchronous orbit is negligible as radio waves travel at the speed of light!
I bet the old providers are all p1ssed off, loosing the income. 🤣🤣