I wouldn't be worried because The Italian Sea Group would bumble that just like they bumbled yacht designs and Bayesian discussions which just make them look guilty as all heck now.
They don't know much about damage control. Their initial reaction should have been all about compassion for the people who died - not indignantly claiming the crew were at fault and the boat was unsinkable. And they should then have said they would co-operatate fully with the investigation and await the outcome of the inquiry before commenting further. Filing lawsuits all over the place (including the widow of the Bayesian owner FFS!), and against anyone suggesting there may have been design faults is damaging their brand, not helping it.
The even crazier thing is that they didn’t construct the boat and only bought the brand assets out of bankruptcy. Which would mean they had no liability, and they could say boats built under their ownership have been to exacting standards.
Matey, I say take off some time - from both jobs - until after Christmas! We could look forward to a 2-3 month wrap of events from you in the new year. All the best, love your work. ⛵
Burn out can have long term implications for health, so enjoy your break and chill out. I know from experience that is easier said than done. Thanks for the channel which is well known for it's common sense and knowledgeable content.
Have great break, you do an awesome job sticking up for the crew, you also open up a world the majority of us will never glimpse and it’s forever interesting, horrifying and intriguing, don’t let them get you down.
Their yacht design was giant octopus proof! It must've been the crew, and the owners, and the people who hired the crew, and the newspapers, and the marine standards organizations fault. 😆😆😆
The Italian Sea Group seems to never have heard of the legal discovery process (now that you have brought suit open up all your files so we can have them reviewed by experts) or the Streisand effect for that matter. This is not going to go well for them I predict.
Depends where the case is actually being held. When Danish Railways sued Ansaldo Breda (an italian train builder) the judge awarded 'victory' to ansaldo because 'losing might damage their reputation'. Yes, that's part of the point...
@@PrekKola my mistake - it wasn't DSB, it was when NS first sued Ansaldo over the V250 'Frya' trains, which they were eventually forced to take back. 2009, I think. Sorry about the mixup, a lot of people were suing Ansaldo Breda at that point.
The the NYT is only sold in the US and only has assets in the US, they are almost certainly going to have to sue in the US. This means discovery is on. This is a huge mistake.
Enjoy your short well-deserved break, and don't be afraid to take more time/breaks; as needed/desired, in the future. We're not going anywhere, and will be patiently good waiters happily doing so (waiting), until you get back to us again. All your content holds a very high professional standard as is well worth awaiting. 😇
Wishing you happy holidays, you really need and deserve it! And don't worry if you need to extend it, we'll be hanging around for your great reporting anyway, no matter how long it takes 😊! Enjoy and relax xxx
Take all the time you need !! Clearly your reports are so thorough that you must be spending significant time to research, investigate, consolidate and summarize for us, and obviously that takes time. I am sure your ratio of prep to publish is close to a good 10 !!! Thanks for your time and your sharing
This lawsuit isn't gonna work out at all. Good luck suing a mainstream US media outlet for doing standard reporting, lol. Doesn't work over here like it works over there.
I really wish these big companies dedicated as much time to proving they're the best through good end results as they do to squawking about being the best and threatening anyone who says otherwise. It's in every industry at this point and it's gotten completely absurd.
Agreed, the moment you make those vents remote rather than automatic it becomes dependant on a member of the crew being able to operate them in time, the lifeboat vents are automatic (and the vessels are self righting) because they assume that in a crisis the people responsible for operating the lifeboat might be incapacitated in some way such as being thrown off balance when the boat suddenly heels over to 43 degrees without warning.
@@davidorf3921 Also with a sailboat if you actually have a proper knockdown it's entirely possible a human won't be able to respond quickly enough. If you read reports of knockdowns that have happened to other sailing vessels (admittedly mostly a lot smaller) they're not slow gradual things, they're very rapid.
Indeed, but the closers were never meant to guard against a sudden roll. They were probably only intended to be closed if they wanted to sail. The main thing that sank this ship was still the weather.
@@testboga5991 With such a low safe keel angle it should have been equipped with automatic closers, that is my point. It was designed to be 'unsinkable', didn't put much effort in, did they. I bet they didn't skimp on the Italian marble and exotic hardwoods
If you’re fantastically wealthy, have a terminal illness, dislike your spouse and wish to saddle them with a bunch of nonsense after your passing, TISG has the yacht for you! (Probably a small niche)
Right? Not that I'm rich, but if I was and there was an incident and the first thing you did was blame everyone else and deny any possibility of fault and not express sympathy for the people lost, I am taking my money and going elsewhere. That is not the behavior of a company that actually wants to build the best. All they had to do was say "we believe our boats are built to the highest possible standards but we welcome an investigation into this incident and will cooperate fully to establish if there was anything we could have done differently or any different advice we should be giving our owners going forward about crew training" or some such PR statement.
The yacht was struck by a tornado while at anchor. As a captain. When at anchor i pay close attention to the weather and have twice pulled up my anchors and relocated my vessel safely out of the way of a tornadic systen/ rotating cell. One of which formed an f2 that tracked through the space i had been anchord at. I think everyone has forgotten that this vessle was hit with winds speeds well in excess of 200mph. No vessle at anchor would survive this senario. Had the anchor been pulled up and engines were running it coukd have been moved or even the tornado might have pushed the boat out of the way.
Enjoy your break, I’m very excited to know that you’re committed to this channel. Your qualifications and experience make you very attractive to many positions in the industry, we are fortunate to have your expertise to keep us well informed about developments in the industry
We love you, esysman! Enjoy your well-deserved time off.. seems pretty obvious , even without investigative confirmation , with the yachts vanishing angle of 42.7 ° In combination with 30 extra tons of ballast ... and open HVAC with operationally open generator exhaust ports on the starboard side... the yacht would sink catastrophically when that strong and unexpected weather and wind event struck the doomed yacht. You can't blame the crew or Captain when they are following protocols under those conditions... Had the yacht been designed with automatic closures that close the venting systems when the vanishing angle was reached, we probably wouldn't be discussing this really tragic event.
Thanks for all the information. It is clear that you work very hard to keep us updated on the sinking of the Bayesian. Relax and enjoy your break and we will look forward to hearing from again when you are back at work
I am glad that you told us of your break. Glancing at the comments, it looks like I'm not the only one that would worry about you and be needing updates! You do such a good job and you represent all the integrity that anyone could hope for in any field. I hope you have a wonderful time off, eat wonderful food, and come back with some boat jokes.
If you have ever been in Command of Italian built superyachts as I have (3) and been to Italian yards (3), you will understand completely. There are several very good reasons why I went to a yard in Mallorca for several maintenance periods.
Have a well deserved, restful break! Your channel is so interesting and everything you say helps us landlubbers understand how/ why the Bayesian sank. Look forward to your return!
Enjoy your time off. Imo, a week doesn't seem like a long enough break. ; - / I suggest maybe taking a week or several day breaks more often, in lieu of a longer break? I remember "having to do this" when skippering for certain owners.
Hi there, Rick/Recaldo (the chef) was a friend. I just want to say 'Thank You" in your coverage of this specific issue.Your balance, diplomacy and adherence to facts without sensationalism brings a lot of peace in wanting to understand what may have truly happened. Sadly the vast majority of channels that have attempted to cover this issue get caught up in the allure of 'likes' which appears to drive unhelpful sensationalism, outrageous speculation and making an all round general circus of what is seriously a very tragic event for all involved. I recall seeing somewhere that the British maritime authority will do their own investigation including modelling, as the vessel was flagged there, which gives them jurisdiction to do so. I hope that is the case because it seems TISG and Italian media have been unnecessarily premature and aggressive in many of their actions. I was contacted by someone claiming to want to make a doco, but declined as I'd read of others being contacted only to have their words twisted or to realise that the interviewers weren't really interested in facts... So, FWIW, Thanks again for the rarity of good honest reliable reporting.
Thank you for your words, it’s appreciated. Our condolences. Our goal is always to find the facts of any incident. The MAIB (Marine Accident Investigation Branch) is doing a parallel investigation alongside the Italians so we will hopefully find out what happened based on the facts. It is listed on their website as being under investigation.
Speaking as someone with significant experience in sailing yachts a 42.7 degree down flood angle is frankly terrifying. Obviously the low side dampers must be closed when under sail but that means you have to be prepared to open them when maneuvering the boat under sail while closing the other set as you settle onto a new tack. Thats potentially fraught with disaster and what if something goes wrong and a gust of wind knocks the boat down on the wrong side? Or as we just saw with this yacht a sudden storm catches you at anchor? Because at anchor you can’t predict which side of the boat you might get heeled over onto. Based on what we know right now it seems highly likely that the storm knocked the boat down beyond the angle at which downflooding would start resulting in rapid flooding, a further loss of stability and the ultimate loss of the yacht. If so this isn’t at all an accident the crew could have prevented it’s a design flaw.
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I'm glad you told us you're taking a break. Otherwise we'd suspect The Italian Sea Group was having you silenced!
They found his downflooding angle!
@@kylem324 And sent a giant octopus
@@fitnessandinjury I have it on good authority that it was an undercooked calamari that did the deed.
My exact thought, too!!
I wouldn't be worried because The Italian Sea Group would bumble that just like they bumbled yacht designs and Bayesian discussions which just make them look guilty as all heck now.
Never apologize for taking time off, hope you enjoy it!
Any idiot can make money, you are rich if you have time.
agree, you are working a lot do rest.
Fully agree! Please take a rest, well deserved!!
Take a rest to reload your batteries. Good and interesting journalism is hard to find!
Enjoy your well deserved time off 😊
They don't know much about damage control. Their initial reaction should have been all about compassion for the people who died - not indignantly claiming the crew were at fault and the boat was unsinkable. And they should then have said they would co-operatate fully with the investigation and await the outcome of the inquiry before commenting further. Filing lawsuits all over the place (including the widow of the Bayesian owner FFS!), and against anyone suggesting there may have been design faults is damaging their brand, not helping it.
I don't think anyone will dare buy a boat from them again!
Nonsense.
The Widow ’is’ the Owner.
The even crazier thing is that they didn’t construct the boat and only bought the brand assets out of bankruptcy. Which would mean they had no liability, and they could say boats built under their ownership have been to exacting standards.
Totally agree
Enjoy your break , much deserved 👍
Matey, I say take off some time - from both jobs - until after Christmas! We could look forward to a 2-3 month wrap of events from you in the new year. All the best, love your work. ⛵
Enjoy your well deserved break. Thanks :)
Who else hopes for the giant octopus though...
Please don't disappear mysteriously. Be careful!
agree
Only a week? You deserve more...we'll all be here waiting for you , enjoy your break!!!👏🏻👏🏻
Burn out can have long term implications for health, so enjoy your break and chill out. I know from experience that is easier said than done. Thanks for the channel which is well known for it's common sense and knowledgeable content.
Have great break, you do an awesome job sticking up for the crew, you also open up a world the majority of us will never glimpse and it’s forever interesting, horrifying and intriguing, don’t let them get you down.
Aye aye.
Poor representation by PR
Geeze If a giant octopus sinks a super yacht we have a whole slew of problems! 😂 Enjoy your break sir and thank you for the impeccable reporting.
An event that the builder hopes for - it wasn't our fault - it was unsinkable.
Their yacht design was giant octopus proof! It must've been the crew, and the owners, and the people who hired the crew, and the newspapers, and the marine standards organizations fault. 😆😆😆
Old boat rigger here, crossed the pond half dozen times back in the day, Would occasionally see bits of unsinkable boats. They haven't changed then?
Some have, they lost altitude..
Yes mainly Beneteau or Jeanneau yachts ! Loosing their keels or rudders
‘Our boat is unsinkable and it’s not at the bottom of the sea’. !!
It will be at the scrappers instead!
Yep. That's the bottom line.
Kind of like the country I live in. Thanks Trump.
@@snapperboat25 So what does Trump have to do with it? Please explain.
It’s a sort of metaphor. He sunk the “ship” that America used to be. It came back up. But now it’s going down for good.
Only a week! You deserve more of a break - enjoy it, you truly earned it. Don't worry we'll all be here when you get back. This channel is amazing.
I thought he was going to say '6 months'!!
I thought it would be three weeks. I’m out on burnout, very difficult to get back.
The Italian Sea Group seems to never have heard of the legal discovery process (now that you have brought suit open up all your files so we can have them reviewed by experts) or the Streisand effect for that matter. This is not going to go well for them I predict.
Depends where the case is actually being held. When Danish Railways sued Ansaldo Breda (an italian train builder) the judge awarded 'victory' to ansaldo because 'losing might damage their reputation'. Yes, that's part of the point...
@@jonathanj8303 from where do you have that?
@@PrekKola my mistake - it wasn't DSB, it was when NS first sued Ansaldo over the V250 'Frya' trains, which they were eventually forced to take back. 2009, I think. Sorry about the mixup, a lot of people were suing Ansaldo Breda at that point.
The the NYT is only sold in the US and only has assets in the US, they are almost certainly going to have to sue in the US. This means discovery is on. This is a huge mistake.
take ALL the time you want, Thanks for your work!....Cheers!
Enjoy your time off! We appreciate your channel.
Enjoy your short well-deserved break, and don't be afraid to take more time/breaks; as needed/desired, in the future.
We're not going anywhere, and will be patiently good waiters happily doing so (waiting), until you get back to us again.
All your content holds a very high professional standard as is well worth awaiting. 😇
Thanks for this update on the Bayesian yacht. Enjoy your week off: better take two weeks to properly rest and recover!
You deserve a week off and I hope you enjoy it with your Mrs. Thanks so much for all the great information you provide your viewers.
Wishing you happy holidays, you really need and deserve it! And don't worry if you need to extend it, we'll be hanging around for your great reporting anyway, no matter how long it takes 😊! Enjoy and relax xxx
Take all the time you need !! Clearly your reports are so thorough that you must be spending significant time to research, investigate, consolidate and summarize for us, and obviously that takes time. I am sure your ratio of prep to publish is close to a good 10 !!! Thanks for your time and your sharing
Enjoy your break and thanks for giving us information
What a shitshow, the Italians prefer to hire lawyers instead of engineers to fix the problem on their ships.
This lawsuit isn't gonna work out at all. Good luck suing a mainstream US media outlet for doing standard reporting, lol. Doesn't work over here like it works over there.
So what else is new ?
I really wish these big companies dedicated as much time to proving they're the best through good end results as they do to squawking about being the best and threatening anyone who says otherwise. It's in every industry at this point and it's gotten completely absurd.
What problems on their ships?
Money, lawyers go after where the money is , especially if they have judges in their pockets?
It should have had automatic vent closers set at 42 degrees. I believe our offshore lifeboats are equiped that way, as they can roll right over safely
yes why wouldn't it have automatic closing at 42 degrees?
Agreed, the moment you make those vents remote rather than automatic it becomes dependant on a member of the crew being able to operate them in time, the lifeboat vents are automatic (and the vessels are self righting) because they assume that in a crisis the people responsible for operating the lifeboat might be incapacitated in some way such as being thrown off balance when the boat suddenly heels over to 43 degrees without warning.
@@davidorf3921 Also with a sailboat if you actually have a proper knockdown it's entirely possible a human won't be able to respond quickly enough. If you read reports of knockdowns that have happened to other sailing vessels (admittedly mostly a lot smaller) they're not slow gradual things, they're very rapid.
Indeed, but the closers were never meant to guard against a sudden roll. They were probably only intended to be closed if they wanted to sail. The main thing that sank this ship was still the weather.
@@testboga5991 With such a low safe keel angle it should have been equipped with automatic closers, that is my point. It was designed to be 'unsinkable', didn't put much effort in, did they. I bet they didn't skimp on the Italian marble and exotic hardwoods
Please enjoy your time off and thanks for all you do for those of us trying to understand what happened to the Bayesian... cheers!
Have a great holiday mate, relax, enjoy. we'll be here when you get back..
Bravo - well done as usual. Enjoy your holiday.
All of their actions are only hurting their reputation. Who would ever buy a yacht from them after all this?
If you’re fantastically wealthy, have a terminal illness, dislike your spouse and wish to saddle them with a bunch of nonsense after your passing, TISG has the yacht for you! (Probably a small niche)
Right? Not that I'm rich, but if I was and there was an incident and the first thing you did was blame everyone else and deny any possibility of fault and not express sympathy for the people lost, I am taking my money and going elsewhere. That is not the behavior of a company that actually wants to build the best. All they had to do was say "we believe our boats are built to the highest possible standards but we welcome an investigation into this incident and will cooperate fully to establish if there was anything we could have done differently or any different advice we should be giving our owners going forward about crew training" or some such PR statement.
@@TrappedinSLC 👍
I would, however I would not take an existing design and modify it radically as was the case here as well as many other documented cases.
Great vlog!! I really appreciate your detailed research. Enjoy your week off!!!
THANKS 🤗 ESYSMAN,FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK 😅, WE HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR BREAK AND GET ENOUGH REST,SEE YOU WHEN YOU GET BACK 👋💚💚💚
Thank you for your amazing comtemt as always, enjoy your break you deserve way more than ome week. Enjoy
Enjoy your time off, and you really don't need to explain yourself to us viewers - you owe us nothing! Thanks for the Bayesian update!
enjoy your time off. It is much deserved.👍
I do enjoy your channel, thanks and emjoy your break
Hello E Sysman. Great video as usual. - Have a blissfully recovering vacation. See you soon!
You fully deserve a vacation, your material is excellent, well presented, and reeks with authentic information. Thank you for this channel
Thanks for being so honest and ...sober:)
Go have fun ❤
Thanks for the great work! Love your analysis and have a great vacation!!!
The yacht was struck by a tornado while at anchor. As a captain. When at anchor i pay close attention to the weather and have twice pulled up my anchors and relocated my vessel safely out of the way of a tornadic systen/ rotating cell. One of which formed an f2 that tracked through the space i had been anchord at. I think everyone has forgotten that this vessle was hit with winds speeds well in excess of 200mph. No vessle at anchor would survive this senario. Had the anchor been pulled up and engines were running it coukd have been moved or even the tornado might have pushed the boat out of the way.
Take more than a week...we will wait.
Enjoy your break, I’m very excited to know that you’re committed to this channel. Your qualifications and experience make you very attractive to many positions in the industry, we are fortunate to have your expertise to keep us well informed about developments in the industry
We love you, esysman! Enjoy your well-deserved time off.. seems pretty obvious , even without investigative confirmation , with the yachts vanishing angle of 42.7 °
In combination with 30 extra tons of ballast ... and open HVAC with operationally open generator exhaust ports on the starboard side... the yacht would sink catastrophically when that strong and unexpected weather and wind event struck the doomed yacht. You can't blame the crew or Captain when they are following protocols under those conditions... Had the yacht been designed with automatic closures that close the venting systems when the vanishing angle was reached, we probably wouldn't be discussing this really tragic event.
vanishing angle of Amerigo Vespucci is less than 30° , just now she coming back from Japan
Great videos as always. Enjoy your time off, you deserve it.
Thank you for the thoughtful and detailed report! Enjoy your vacation!
Thank you so much for all your excellent work on this channel! Enjoy your break!!!
Thanks for all the information. It is clear that you work very hard to keep us updated on the sinking of the Bayesian. Relax and enjoy your break and we will look forward to hearing from again when you are back at work
Love your channel!!!!!
I am glad that you told us of your break. Glancing at the comments, it looks like I'm not the only one that would worry about you and be needing updates!
You do such a good job and you represent all the integrity that anyone could hope for in any field. I hope you have a wonderful time off, eat wonderful food, and come back with some boat jokes.
Enjoy your vacation. Lately the seas have been rough you've earned it for sure!
Enjoy your well-deserved break, and thank you for the great information
Enjoy your time off my friend you certainly earned it!
Very informative, thank you, and enjoy your leave!
Love the word "Leave" being used. Reminds me of my Navy days way back.
Thank you for your honest reporting! And have a good vacation!
Enjoy some time off and Thank you for amazing channel
Have a wonderful holiday! I wish you all the best and look forward to seeing you again.
Fascinating..... I appreciate your reportage on the Bayesian sinking. Have a good break.
Love your show… so well presented with useful info… & dry humor ha ha… you are so great to listen to. Enjoy your well deserved holiday!
Thanks for the continued updates and information. Enjoy the much needed and well deserved time off. Take care. ⛵
I really enjoy your channel, you should be taking at least 2 weeks every year , your viewer's won't abandon you . 😊 💚 🇳🇿
Enjoy your break, you deserve the rest x
Have a great break. Really enjoy the channel.
Take care of yourself! Enjoy your break. Thanks for the videos, they're interesting! Blessings.
Your facial expression after TISG’s comment was just perfect 🤌
If you have ever been in Command of Italian built superyachts as I have (3) and been to Italian yards (3), you will understand completely. There are several very good reasons why I went to a yard in Mallorca for several maintenance periods.
Great video again , have a super holiday , you've desreved it
Enjoy your holiday, you deserve it!❤❤❤❤❤
Enjoy your break and I for one, appreciate all your work on this channel and look forward to watching more of your videos in the future 👍
Enjoy your break, you deserve it.
Enjoy your time off!
Great reporting as usual
Have a good break, go take it easy, cheers!!
Good to see you taking some time off well deserved. relax and come back refreshed
Taking time off is what you need and enjoy......Thank you eSysman....
Old F-4 pilot Shoe🇺🇸
Enjoy your break!, Take care.
Although I will miss your postings, your rest is well deserved. Enjoy your time off!
Very balanced and informative video (as usual). Thanks for explaining things in an easy to understand way.
Have a relaxing holiday 👍
Have a good break mate your a real pro 👍
Enjoy your vacation. Stay safe.
Thanks for your continuing objective and professional reporting. Enjoy your time off!
Have a well deserved, restful break! Your channel is so interesting and everything you say helps us landlubbers understand how/ why the Bayesian sank. Look forward to your return!
Thanks!
Enjoy the vacation!
You’ve been working hard. Take an extra day off, you’ve earned it.
Take all the time you need, enjoy!
Enjoy your time off! Much needed and deserved.
Enjoy your holiday. We’ll be here when you get back.
Great channel. Enjoy your well-earned break.
Enjoy your well deserved break.!!
Have a restful break. We really enjoy your channel and value your information.
"Yacht attacked by giant octopus" - made my day. 😅 Enjoy your vacation!
Enjoy your holiday and thank you.
Enjoy your time off. Imo, a week doesn't seem like a long enough break. ; - / I suggest maybe taking a week or several day breaks more often, in lieu of a longer break? I remember "having to do this" when skippering for certain owners.
Have a good break. Well earned. Super site. Great to follow a pro.
Have a great week off m8 💯👍🏻👍🏻
Have a wonderful break!
Thank you and enjoy your break. Look forward to seeing you. Always wonderful and unbiased news. buy a professional bravo
Have a wonderful, relaxing break
Enjoy some time off mate! You definitely deserve it!
Enjoy your break!
Enjoy your week off.
Hi there, Rick/Recaldo (the chef) was a friend. I just want to say 'Thank You" in your coverage of this specific issue.Your balance, diplomacy and adherence to facts without sensationalism brings a lot of peace in wanting to understand what may have truly happened. Sadly the vast majority of channels that have attempted to cover this issue get caught up in the allure of 'likes' which appears to drive unhelpful sensationalism, outrageous speculation and making an all round general circus of what is seriously a very tragic event for all involved. I recall seeing somewhere that the British maritime authority will do their own investigation including modelling, as the vessel was flagged there, which gives them jurisdiction to do so. I hope that is the case because it seems TISG and Italian media have been unnecessarily premature and aggressive in many of their actions. I was contacted by someone claiming to want to make a doco, but declined as I'd read of others being contacted only to have their words twisted or to realise that the interviewers weren't really interested in facts... So, FWIW, Thanks again for the rarity of good honest reliable reporting.
Thank you for your words, it’s appreciated. Our condolences. Our goal is always to find the facts of any incident. The MAIB (Marine Accident Investigation Branch) is doing a parallel investigation alongside the Italians so we will hopefully find out what happened based on the facts. It is listed on their website as being under investigation.
Speaking as someone with significant experience in sailing yachts a 42.7 degree down flood angle is frankly terrifying. Obviously the low side dampers must be closed when under sail but that means you have to be prepared to open them when maneuvering the boat under sail while closing the other set as you settle onto a new tack. Thats potentially fraught with disaster and what if something goes wrong and a gust of wind knocks the boat down on the wrong side?
Or as we just saw with this yacht a sudden storm catches you at anchor? Because at anchor you can’t predict which side of the boat you might get heeled over onto. Based on what we know right now it seems highly likely that the storm knocked the boat down beyond the angle at which downflooding would start resulting in rapid flooding, a further loss of stability and the ultimate loss of the yacht.
If so this isn’t at all an accident the crew could have prevented it’s a design flaw.