Izzy needs a Emanuel Steward in his corner. When Lennox Lewis fought Mike Tyson. Emanuel is yelling between every round that he needs to get Tyson out of there because he’s too dangerous
Izzy backing up in a straight line to the fence was really hard to watch. You don't have to wait till you're behind the black line to start moving sideways. Volk doesn't do that. Then after awhile he just stood there then Pereira starts out jabbing him. Gave me fits. And no one mentions this except you guys, because I feel like most MMA fans aren't used to seeing actual elite ringcraft. Only on the rare occasions when Volk or Aldo fights.
Aldo has absolutely awful ring craft what in the fuck are you talking about ? He’s got elite Muay thai but in noway does aldo have great ring craft , walking forward following people isn’t good bud …you cut the angle off leading your opponent into a choke point where they only have one direction to move away . Mcregor has elite ring craft it’s his entire game because he feels so uncomfortable fighting behind the black lines so he had to develop it.
@walter kovacs You're eventually gonna get backed up to the fence if you're on the back foot. The difference is they pivot and L step instead of darting straight backwards when someone charges at them. Especially Aldo in his prime. They spend less time behind the black line as a result of this.
Took a while off this show after having listened to every single past episode and every new one religiously for years. This was my first episode back, and it was truly great analysis from all three of you, keep up the good work.
The change in Tyson Fury’s approach from the first Wilder fight to the second also shows how it can actually be less risky, and more effective to move a big hitter back.
Exactly. People always say that against big hitters you need to be perfect for all the rounds. But... why? Big punchers are not necessarily super durable or defensive savants. Think of Tekken - to stop a dangerous combo fighter, you juggle and swarm him so he can't get his own offense off.
I’m glad I listened to this episode during a slow day at work. If I listened to it on the road, I might’ve got into an accident from laughing at all the banter
@@kylemclachlan8651 Love your content and support it on patreon! Here in the states there's little coverage and fanfare for kickboxing but you've turned me into a devoted fan. 🤝
Phil you are so right about wheli getting countered of the naked low kicks . The first exchange it happened on I was like Carla must of pushed her off on the exit and then the same exact exchange happened again n Carla landed the same counter right and I was like okay nope was a push off Carla has landed two flush straight right counters in the first two exchanges that have sent wheli stumbling back …if that was lemos wheli’s head would of gotten spun around her shoulders . I think the fight was Jessica was a fluke for lemos I don’t think that ever happens again and I think that Jessica went all out on that squeeze because she felt how different it was when lemos was landing on her and knew she was going to get slept if she had to stay on the feet with her for even the rest of the round . I think lemos takes the belt off anybody in that division. I think she has nunes type power at 115 but she actually understand when to throw in between in combinations to catch people I think understands how to feint blitz and freeze people before she slings something n always catches someone like a deer in head lights and you can just tell when she touches these girls they don’t know how to react because they haven’t ever been hit like that before marina has had a granite chin up to this point and lemos landed a glancing counter right off the FOREHEAD and it was still separated her from consciousness. That girl is the real deal and her ground game is no joke either , I really do think she takes the belt off anybody and I don’t think it’s going to be remotely competitive either …
The Puelles fight was also funny because on commentary DC compared him to Ryan Hall, but said that Ryan Hall was afraid to get in on people and used leg locks out of fear BUT PUELLES DOESN'T! And right after that Puelles Imanari rolled and butt scooted the whole fight. The point is, NEVER QUESTION RYAN HALL!!!
How many dangerous punchers are also defensive savants and/or super durable? Very few. The times when we see such fighters lose is when someone fucks them up, not when someone cautiously outpoints them. Remember Joe Louis and Billy Conn? "You can run but you can't hide" is originally a quote from Louis, and it's true - avoiding exchanges doesn't get you out of the ring/cage. You STILL have to fight or you will lose, Rose Namajunas.
@@kylemclachlan8651 ok sir first of all I am a massive fucking fan, Mr McLachlan. I have followed your work and subscribed to your Patreon and I consider you to be the foremost authority on boxing history that I currently follow. And that Miguel Torres documentary was incredible, and I cannot fucking WAIT for the guide to Pride. That said, you get my point, surely. Izzy, more than Conn to Louis, could have gotten Pereira out of there had he tried harder. I reference Fury's 2nd fight to Wilder or Ali's sporadic but determined bursts against Foreman (even BEFORE the finish btw) as examples of how bjg punchers are rarely defensive savants or brick walls of durability, and how they are so used to being the hunter that they cannot withstand the turn of the tables.
@@kylemclachlan8651 no thanks are necessary. Blokes like you make this sport (sports? I always admire your devotion to muay thai and kickboxing even when it seems like many fight fans don't give a toss) an intellectual and entertaining pursuit for students of the game. Shameless plug incoming - I write about and do play-by-play for boxing and MMA and have done so for a while. I would love an opportunity to contribute to your work even if it's just boring old film study and notes (which I also do for the national team of my country). Just shooting my shot. I look forward to your work regardless.
Ruebusch is thrilled every chance he gets to pronounce Pereira's name correctly. If I'm not mistaken Ruebusch was the first American to pronounce the country of Niger correctly. "Neezherre", he was heard saying.
Excellent show. A better sort of length also. Team evil must keep changing their name for reasons other than superficial surely, like tax/legal reasons I'm thinking
Every time he fights someone with similar reach to him he either looks beatable, or gets beat. Even go back to his fight against an ancient past his prime Anderson. Blachowicz. All 3 pereira fights. Adesanya against good strikers with the same reach will lose more than he’ll win. If he faces a grappler who’s around his size with the same reach it’ll be a blood bath.
So the key to beating a big puncher is to knock him out before he knocks you out? That's brilliant Connor, you should be in Adesanyas corner in the rematch
More specifically Pereira given there is ample footage of him being less dangerous when pushed back. I even provided specific matchup examples to demonstrate this.
Literally fought the opposite of scared was putting himself in positions like there was no way he could get hurt he was baiting his chin along the cage that’s the exact opposite of fighting scared . He fought scared against romero but he in no way fought scared verse Alex that was entire problem with how he was fighting , I don’t think you realize baiting and pull countering over the top is the exact opposite of fighting scared , constantly going forward is when somebody is usually nervous so they need to put on this act that they aren’t .
@@vinceventura4453 He could barely walk. His legs were unresponsive they hurt so much. Fooks up your defense. Izzy was going for it . IMO. Diddo for Romero ,scared💯
@@vinceventura4453 Leaning over his own feet to bait counters and pulling back worked against shorter guys. Against Pereira he was constantly getting touched up doing that. Adesanya isn't Floyd or Canelo, that stuff works against shorter guys but Jan and Pereira both checked his calf kicks, traded jabs and caught him leaning back. The man doesn't look nearly as good when he fights someone his own height.
@@vinceventura4453 He was definitely scared man, he never clinchs up that, backing up constantly not throwing any counters and just being worried about what Alex P gonna do and not what he's doing.
Kyle: "...it's actually a Patreon. So if you wanna subscribe, head on over to..." Conor: "Ugh". Or was Conor just yawning with coincidental timing. 35:45
@@kylemclachlan8651 Nothing wrong with self promotion. Gotta make a living. Problem was you were supposed to wait till the end. Great content. I've no complaints. Conor's "ugh" was just funny to me.
a lot of the izzy/alex analysis (particularly in the comments) sounds like playing the results. izzy was well on his way to winning that fight, and it's possible that if goddard doesn't call it (still wild to me, especially after watching jamahal hill batter glover into retirement), he survives that moment and wins the fight 3-2. obviously alex was doing his own work in that fight, but it's not like izzy was down 0-4 going into r5 due to a faulty gameplan
How is that going to be policed? You certainly cant prevent fighters from rehydrating as that leaves the brain exponentially more susceptible to traumatic damage.
@@darcebader2126 Mf i screamed my ass off when Izzy Koed Whittaker, i WAS an Izzy fan. But i've always liked Whittaker and between Izzy touching dogs, having boring bad fights and acting like a manchild i soured on him.
@@darcebader2126 Nah bih our boy going back to the top! It kinda sad how Izzy fans are pointing fingers at other fans when their anime god got destroyed by a Mayan terminator 🤣
Izzy needs a Emanuel Steward in his corner. When Lennox Lewis fought Mike Tyson. Emanuel is yelling between every round that he needs to get Tyson out of there because he’s too dangerous
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That's right. Some of Steward's best moments in the corner were about exactly that idea, and not just for Lewis-Tyson
Interesting that Emanuel stewards nephew trains Tyson fury and adopted that philosophy in the wilder rematch and the third fight
Phenomenal MMA podcast.
Informative. Entertaining, friendly dynamic between the three of you. Hope to hear the three of you again.
Thanks
Great show as always boys. I've been listening for years, and I have to say - Kyle is by far the best guest you guys have on. Cheers!
How did Kyle's line about Rose Vs Carla slip under the radar? "It takes two to tango and those two were dancing in different ballrooms". :D
I love listening to Kyle's analysis with his accent. Makes it even more satisfying to hear, for some reason
love the eps with kyle!
Izzy backing up in a straight line to the fence was really hard to watch. You don't have to wait till you're behind the black line to start moving sideways. Volk doesn't do that. Then after awhile he just stood there then Pereira starts out jabbing him. Gave me fits. And no one mentions this except you guys, because I feel like most MMA fans aren't used to seeing actual elite ringcraft. Only on the rare occasions when Volk or Aldo fights.
Aldo has absolutely awful ring craft what in the fuck are you talking about ? He’s got elite Muay thai but in noway does aldo have great ring craft , walking forward following people isn’t good bud …you cut the angle off leading your opponent into a choke point where they only have one direction to move away . Mcregor has elite ring craft it’s his entire game because he feels so uncomfortable fighting behind the black lines so he had to develop it.
He also leans away from punches A LOT. Most guys don't have the reach to touch him but Pereira caught him with a headkick as he was leaning back.
@walter kovacs You're eventually gonna get backed up to the fence if you're on the back foot. The difference is they pivot and L step instead of darting straight backwards when someone charges at them. Especially Aldo in his prime. They spend less time behind the black line as a result of this.
Took a while off this show after having listened to every single past episode and every new one religiously for years. This was my first episode back, and it was truly great analysis from all three of you, keep up the good work.
Glad to have you back, Euan. Thanks!
The change in Tyson Fury’s approach from the first Wilder fight to the second also shows how it can actually be less risky, and more effective to move a big hitter back.
Absolutely!
Slightly different because fury outsized and could bully wilder in the clinch and adesanya seemed to be a lot weaker than pereira
@@Dug625 He bullied him in kickboxing though. He's more than capable of doing it
Exactly. People always say that against big hitters you need to be perfect for all the rounds. But... why? Big punchers are not necessarily super durable or defensive savants. Think of Tekken - to stop a dangerous combo fighter, you juggle and swarm him so he can't get his own offense off.
@@bryangan2224 think of Tekken LMFAO
thank the gods for heavy hands episodes that are over 1 hour
Yeah! Kyle McLachlan is my favorite guest & solo podcaster!
Shame he couldn't make it last minute and you could only get Russel Brand instead
Fantastic comment tbf I deserved this
I’m glad I listened to this episode during a slow day at work. If I listened to it on the road, I might’ve got into an accident from laughing at all the banter
Fucking hell, Phil's take on the Edgar slaughter was brutal.
This was a great episode, fellas.
God, I love these Kyle episodes.
Also I agree, they should be nine hours long.
Fascinating discussion gentlemen. Thank you
Kyle sounds like a guy who's in a perpetual state of track pants tucked into socks. At least that's what I'm choosing to hear.
20 years ago maybe lol
@@kylemclachlan8651 Love your content and support it on patreon! Here in the states there's little coverage and fanfare for kickboxing but you've turned me into a devoted fan. 🤝
@@Garrett1240 so glad to hear it! Kickboxing agenda was well and truly alive after this card
Been waiting to hear this! 🔥 always appreciate what you guys have to say, thanks boys
Great episode guys. Kyle is awesome and you guys are funny together. Good chemistry. Of course Connor and Phil are great to
I quite enjoyed the angry man with the funny accent
Phil you are so right about wheli getting countered of the naked low kicks . The first exchange it happened on I was like Carla must of pushed her off on the exit and then the same exact exchange happened again n Carla landed the same counter right and I was like okay nope was a push off Carla has landed two flush straight right counters in the first two exchanges that have sent wheli stumbling back …if that was lemos wheli’s head would of gotten spun around her shoulders . I think the fight was Jessica was a fluke for lemos I don’t think that ever happens again and I think that Jessica went all out on that squeeze because she felt how different it was when lemos was landing on her and knew she was going to get slept if she had to stay on the feet with her for even the rest of the round . I think lemos takes the belt off anybody in that division. I think she has nunes type power at 115 but she actually understand when to throw in between in combinations to catch people I think understands how to feint blitz and freeze people before she slings something n always catches someone like a deer in head lights and you can just tell when she touches these girls they don’t know how to react because they haven’t ever been hit like that before marina has had a granite chin up to this point and lemos landed a glancing counter right off the FOREHEAD and it was still separated her from consciousness. That girl is the real deal and her ground game is no joke either , I really do think she takes the belt off anybody and I don’t think it’s going to be remotely competitive either …
Actually hilarious episode 😂😂 great one guys
Aww I wanted you guys to give credit to Erin for beating up Molly meatball like it was easy
The Puelles fight was also funny because on commentary DC compared him to Ryan Hall, but said that Ryan Hall was afraid to get in on people and used leg locks out of fear BUT PUELLES DOESN'T! And right after that Puelles Imanari rolled and butt scooted the whole fight. The point is, NEVER QUESTION RYAN HALL!!!
Day 27 of commenting on every new episode of Heavy Hands untill I'm on the show
Kyle episodes are a treat!
Start your own poddy
i’m reaching back across time to tell you, don’t give up, Mr. Mckane. you got this.
Loving the extra long episode !
If Glover loses to Prochanzka, Perrera should go up and seek revenge for his mentor.
I would take longer episodes all day. I have one bell active on all of YT and it's Heavy Hands.
That means alot coming from you.
Bring Kyle on permanently.
How many dangerous punchers are also defensive savants and/or super durable? Very few. The times when we see such fighters lose is when someone fucks them up, not when someone cautiously outpoints them.
Remember Joe Louis and Billy Conn? "You can run but you can't hide" is originally a quote from Louis, and it's true - avoiding exchanges doesn't get you out of the ring/cage. You STILL have to fight or you will lose, Rose Namajunas.
Funnily enough Conn was pretty aggressive for long stretches of that fight.
@@kylemclachlan8651 ok sir first of all
I am a massive fucking fan, Mr McLachlan. I have followed your work and subscribed to your Patreon and I consider you to be the foremost authority on boxing history that I currently follow. And that Miguel Torres documentary was incredible, and I cannot fucking WAIT for the guide to Pride.
That said, you get my point, surely. Izzy, more than Conn to Louis, could have gotten Pereira out of there had he tried harder. I reference Fury's 2nd fight to Wilder or Ali's sporadic but determined bursts against Foreman (even BEFORE the finish btw) as examples of how bjg punchers are rarely defensive savants or brick walls of durability, and how they are so used to being the hunter that they cannot withstand the turn of the tables.
@@bryangan2224 I absolutely agree, I think I made that point in the episode! And thanks so much, really appreciate the support!
@@kylemclachlan8651 no thanks are necessary. Blokes like you make this sport (sports? I always admire your devotion to muay thai and kickboxing even when it seems like many fight fans don't give a toss) an intellectual and entertaining pursuit for students of the game.
Shameless plug incoming - I write about and do play-by-play for boxing and MMA and have done so for a while. I would love an opportunity to contribute to your work even if it's just boring old film study and notes (which I also do for the national team of my country).
Just shooting my shot. I look forward to your work regardless.
@@bryangan2224 I tend to just work solo as you know but hit me up on Twitter and we’ll talk mate! Always good to have someone to bounce ideas off of 👍
Very excited for this episode.
Ruebusch is thrilled every chance he gets to pronounce Pereira's name correctly. If I'm not mistaken Ruebusch was the first American to pronounce the country of Niger correctly. "Neezherre", he was heard saying.
I listen to this podcast so I can hear Kyle without the street fighter music waking my girlfriend up
They should not allow Frankie to retire and make him fight Khamzat
"bet he's got 2 fists up there" ☠️
1:20:26 man I am crying 😂
44:44 Well actually I think Joe meant 4 UFC fights. He actually said 5 mma fights in the cage.
Doesn’t work either as this wasn’t his fifth UFC bout or his fifth MMA bout
Get Kyle on the pod after every big ppv. Also great read that Izzy is a headcase- y’all been saying that for a while
Most competitors are headcases, to be fair. Just different types
Excellent show. A better sort of length also. Team evil must keep changing their name for reasons other than superficial surely, like tax/legal reasons I'm thinking
RIP Frankie Edgar
Every time he fights someone with similar reach to him he either looks beatable, or gets beat. Even go back to his fight against an ancient past his prime Anderson. Blachowicz. All 3 pereira fights. Adesanya against good strikers with the same reach will lose more than he’ll win. If he faces a grappler who’s around his size with the same reach it’ll be a blood bath.
Hell yeah
So the key to beating a big puncher is to knock him out before he knocks you out? That's brilliant Connor, you should be in Adesanyas corner in the rematch
More specifically Pereira given there is ample footage of him being less dangerous when pushed back. I even provided specific matchup examples to demonstrate this.
@@kylemclachlan8651 and you're not wrong, but the phrasing of that was funny
@@NaturalLanguageLearning giving me credit whilst slating Ruebusch is obviously music to my ears
@@NaturalLanguageLearning Weak escape. You got smashed.
@@rextonelectric6668 "smashed"? this is a comment section mate
Haha Pereira’s clinch break before the finish definitely had shades of Denzel in A Soldier Story 😂 th-cam.com/video/Tgu2zWvOGL8/w-d-xo.html
I knew Izzy's safe ways would cost him. I had the idea of take him out before he takes you out and he had many changes but he was too scared
Literally fought the opposite of scared was putting himself in positions like there was no way he could get hurt he was baiting his chin along the cage that’s the exact opposite of fighting scared . He fought scared against romero but he in no way fought scared verse Alex that was entire problem with how he was fighting , I don’t think you realize baiting and pull countering over the top is the exact opposite of fighting scared , constantly going forward is when somebody is usually nervous so they need to put on this act that they aren’t .
@@vinceventura4453 He could barely walk. His legs were unresponsive they hurt so much. Fooks up your defense. Izzy was going for it . IMO. Diddo for Romero ,scared💯
@@vinceventura4453 Leaning over his own feet to bait counters and pulling back worked against shorter guys. Against Pereira he was constantly getting touched up doing that. Adesanya isn't Floyd or Canelo, that stuff works against shorter guys but Jan and Pereira both checked his calf kicks, traded jabs and caught him leaning back. The man doesn't look nearly as good when he fights someone his own height.
@@vinceventura4453 He was definitely scared man, he never clinchs up that, backing up constantly not throwing any counters and just being worried about what Alex P gonna do and not what he's doing.
Kyle: "...it's actually a Patreon. So if you wanna subscribe, head on over to..." Conor: "Ugh". Or was Conor just yawning with coincidental timing. 35:45
Definitely not coincidental, and absolutely fair as well. I groan at shameless plugs too!
@@kylemclachlan8651 Nothing wrong with self promotion. Gotta make a living. Problem was you were supposed to wait till the end. Great content. I've no complaints. Conor's "ugh" was just funny to me.
I want to listen to the 9 hour episodes Conor
Amazing that they still think Izzy is better than Alex. Has this scenario happened before?
a lot of the izzy/alex analysis (particularly in the comments) sounds like playing the results. izzy was well on his way to winning that fight, and it's possible that if goddard doesn't call it (still wild to me, especially after watching jamahal hill batter glover into retirement), he survives that moment and wins the fight 3-2. obviously alex was doing his own work in that fight, but it's not like izzy was down 0-4 going into r5 due to a faulty gameplan
The Bender and the Boogyman!
Too much psp gamer opinions lately,
the fact is that Pereira is a LHW and the amount he cuts should be illegal
How is that going to be policed? You certainly cant prevent fighters from rehydrating as that leaves the brain exponentially more susceptible to traumatic damage.
@@addounsamiyoucef1999 fact, but you keep your anti vax love of the orange goof to yourself. ok? lol
Whittaker champ 2023 let's go
I can't wait!
It's kinda sad how much Whittaker fans were silently hoping for Izzy to lose so Whittaker can be champ again
@@darcebader2126 Mf i screamed my ass off when Izzy Koed Whittaker, i WAS an Izzy fan.
But i've always liked Whittaker and between Izzy touching dogs, having boring bad fights and acting like a manchild i soured on him.
@@darcebader2126 Nah bih our boy going back to the top! It kinda sad how Izzy fans are pointing fingers at other fans when their anime god got destroyed by a Mayan terminator 🤣
@@addounsamiyoucef1999 ok but your boy Izzy still got clapped 3 times. Cope 😂