Steps for those who want to try themselves: 1. 115 cookies, buy 1 cursor and doubler 2. 500 cookies, buy doubler 3. 300 cookies, buy 9 cursors (10) 4. 350 cookies, buy 3 grandmas (10-3) 5a. 1250 cookies, buy farm and grandma (10-4-1) 5b. 1440 cookies, buy farm and grandma (10-5-2) 6a. Grandma doubler 6b. Up to 10 grandmas and then 15 cursors (omitting cursors in totals now) 7. Farm, grandma, farm, grandma (12-4) 8a. Grandma doubler 8b. 5 grandmas (17-4) 9. Farm, grandma, farm, grandma (19-6) 10a. Farm doubler 10b. 4 farms (19-10) 11. Mine, farm, mine, farm 12a. Farm doubler 12b. 5 farms (19-17-2) 13a. Farmer grandma 13b. 7 grandmas (26-17-2) 14a. Grandma doubler 14b 5 grandmas and 1 farm (31-18-2) 15a. You might be able to stop clicking now, if under 9:30 15b. 4 sets of grandma, farm, mine (35-22-6) 16a. Mine doubler 16b. 4 mines (35-22-10) 17a. 10 cursors for a total of 25 17b. If still clicking, get ambidextrous, thousand fingers, 15 more cursors (40 total), plastic mouse 18. 2 sets of grandma, farm, mine (37-24-12) Edit: I followed this and got it on my 3rd try (first I missed by 30 seconds, second died to bad luck, and third got it with 5 seconds to spare)
I had to check my calender on whether this is an in-season or out-of-season april fools joke. Will watch it either way since I do enjoy me a good incremental game lol.
I can't stress enough how much it feels like an april fools video... 4 months too late! ...or maybe 8 months too soon? Anyway next video idea: IN-depth solitaire gude/playthrough
Inspired me to finally get this silly achievement after years of playing...I followed a similar strat up to 2 mines, then bought whatever. Got a golden frenzy, then a very lucky 2nd frenzy at exactly 14 minutes. Ended up with about a 14:15 time!
I played this game years ago but didn't bother with this achievement (and several others). I literally returned a couple of days ago just to get this one. What a strange coincidence.
Man I love cookie clicker, rn I'm waiting a year for the final achievments (upgrading with sugar lumps). It's interesting seeing other factorio players enjoying the game too
What happened to your audio? Your voice used to be crisp on your earlier Factorio videos, like the max evolution series. But here and in some other ones it sounds flat and muffled. It's a shame because your voice is very easy on the ears, and the low quality audio ruins it...
Earlier Factorio Videos, excuse me, the commentated speedrun, the arid desert these 4 videos were the only ones with his voice alongside factorio. They're 8-9 years ago, Then starting with the Biter Island challenge map, he stopped commentating and used text. And the only thing that has changed is that he has gotten more used to speaking in his videos.
michael I love you, this is gigabased. can't wait to watch you play kittens game in the future. I wonder how fast you can get to chronospheres in it from a fresh wipe
You might be mixing up your Dutch video game content creators, my dude. Then again, I can't say I've ever seen Michael Hendriks and Marcel Vos in the same room...
FYI, even ignoring the opportunity cost there are cases where highest ROI is _not_ the optimum strategy. Consider for the sake of argument if you had two choices: thing A that cost 1000 and produced 1, and thing B that cost 2500 and produced 4, and you have a current production of 1. Ignore exponential costs for a moment. What is the optimum choice? Well, the ROI of thing A is 0.001 and the ROI of thing B is 0.0016, so you should choose thing B, right? Wrong. Consider if you choose thing B. 0 seconds, production of 1. 2500 seconds, production of 5. 3000 seconds, production of 9. 3278 seconds, production of 13. Consider if you choose thing A. 0 seconds, production of 1. 1000 seconds, 1x A, production of 2. 1500 seconds, 2x A, production of 3. 1834 seconds, 3x A, production of 4. 2084 seconds, 4x A, production of 5. -> wait, but this is the same production as B and at 2084 seconds not 2500! 2284 seconds, 5x A, production of 6 -> wait, we've surpassed B! The actual game is a little more complex - exponentially rising costs and all that - but a similar effect still applies. There is an opportunity cost for going for more expensive upgrades, as it means you have cookies sitting there 'uselessly' for longer. (Or another way of looking at the same thing: cheaper upgrades mean you get them sooner.) A better approximation is to, roughly: a) Figure out the continuous interpolation of each option. b) Pick the option with the highest derivative at t=0. For instance, in my toy example, we have the following for thing A: cookies(t) = .596018*1.00098^(t) + 0.406256 And for thing B: cookies(t) = 0.121624*1.0014^(t) + 0.890608 (Note: I just did a nonlinear least-squares fit. If you want to do this 'properly' instead solve the differential equation.) Derivative at t=0 for A: 0.00058 B: 0.00017 So you "should" choose thing A here, at least initially. This is still an approximation - but a better one.
Isn't that (not buying X to buy Y first) the definition of opportunity cost? The spreadsheet allows (manually) adjusting for that by increasing the cost of the better but more expensive choice by adding the amount of missed cookies, as showcased the second time I overlay the spreadsheet (taking into account the opportunity cost of skipping buying cheaper options drops the ROI of grandma doubler from 440 to 430 IIRC)
@@MichaelHendriks Yeah, you're right re: opportunity cost. Been too long since economics. Adding the # of missed cookies improves things somewhat but is still suboptimal. Note that in my example even adding the 1500 'missed' cookies from taking B over A results in A and B "tied" in ROI (A is 1 / 1000; B is 4 / (1500 + 2500)) even though A is a rather superior choice to B. If you dropped B's cost a little (say, 2400 instead of 2500) you'd end up in a regime where your improved method would still suggest B over A even though A was better.
As you show in your own original example, it's easy to see you miss a whole lot more than 1500 cookies, so you need to add those to the "missed cost" as well. I agree it's a lot of manual work to determine the exact amount of missed cookies several accumulating purchases deep in my spreadsheet and I indeed don't go multi-layer deep in my video as perhaps I should have, but the need for that level of accuracy is offset by the extra time you need to save up cookies for a more expensive purchase being WAY less than the 1500 extra seconds in your example (I think the biggest wait is the 120.000 mine doubler at roughly a minute of waiting), as well as the incremental cost of buildings giving diminishing returns (theoretically you need to add the missed cost both ways). Also it's just a simple spreadsheet, IMO it gets the job done accurate enough and if not, I will still tell myself that as I don't want to fall into an even deeper rabbit hole of coding optimal solutions lol!
I mean the first video on his channel is Terraria, then a lot of minecraft, Civ IV, then a Factorio speedrun, then Cursed Treasure, then Heroes of Might and Magic 3, then some factorio, minecraft, plants vs zombies... Sure it's been 3 and a half years with only Factorio until this point, but I say nothing seemed out of the ordinary here.
Of course, just wait for Christmas and use reindeer, or abuse golden lumps (get one before 1st prestige level, then ascend and do SB 3 while it's mature, and harvest it to double your bank at some point during the run) You won't even need GCs at all Or alternativly a Cookies storm as 2nd GC, though that's even rarer then Click Frenzy 2 Frenzies also Work, similar rarity to Click Frenzy
@@MichaelHendriks The strat here only works if you can maintain the necessary clicks per second though, which not everyone can. I'd always recommend doing it in Christmas season
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Thankfully, we took a break from the dangerously addictive Factorio to give a far less addictive game a shot
Not even competition in terms of addictiveness
Putting the Factorio OST over Cookie Clicker cracked me up
cookie clicker is abstract factorio where you destroy universes to create a single type of item
Mike and his three polyamorous lesbian grandmas take over the cookie world in under fifteen minutes? Here for it.
You're going from a hand-feeding lunatic to.. err.. passionate hand-BAKING professional. Seeing anything not Factorio related was a surprise for sure!
It is amazing such a game exists and enjoys such a widespread adoption. But you crushed it Hendriks-style 😁
It's a pretty lazy concept, but cookie clicker executes is really well and adds a lot of depth
Steps for those who want to try themselves:
1. 115 cookies, buy 1 cursor and doubler
2. 500 cookies, buy doubler
3. 300 cookies, buy 9 cursors (10)
4. 350 cookies, buy 3 grandmas (10-3)
5a. 1250 cookies, buy farm and grandma (10-4-1)
5b. 1440 cookies, buy farm and grandma (10-5-2)
6a. Grandma doubler
6b. Up to 10 grandmas and then 15 cursors (omitting cursors in totals now)
7. Farm, grandma, farm, grandma (12-4)
8a. Grandma doubler
8b. 5 grandmas (17-4)
9. Farm, grandma, farm, grandma (19-6)
10a. Farm doubler
10b. 4 farms (19-10)
11. Mine, farm, mine, farm
12a. Farm doubler
12b. 5 farms (19-17-2)
13a. Farmer grandma
13b. 7 grandmas (26-17-2)
14a. Grandma doubler
14b 5 grandmas and 1 farm (31-18-2)
15a. You might be able to stop clicking now, if under 9:30
15b. 4 sets of grandma, farm, mine (35-22-6)
16a. Mine doubler
16b. 4 mines (35-22-10)
17a. 10 cursors for a total of 25
17b. If still clicking, get ambidextrous, thousand fingers, 15 more cursors (40 total), plastic mouse
18. 2 sets of grandma, farm, mine (37-24-12)
Edit: I followed this and got it on my 3rd try (first I missed by 30 seconds, second died to bad luck, and third got it with 5 seconds to spare)
I had to check my calender on whether this is an in-season or out-of-season april fools joke. Will watch it either way since I do enjoy me a good incremental game lol.
You can even get it without a golden cookie but then you need really fast clicking (WR in 14:35)
This Factorio mod is crazy. I should try it out.
Bro will do anything to keep us from getting our precious warptorio fix
I can't stress enough how much it feels like an april fools video... 4 months too late! ...or maybe 8 months too soon? Anyway next video idea: IN-depth solitaire gude/playthrough
This video randomly got suggested to me and I gotta say I love your dutch accent haha
I love this, lol. I never expected this but you made it so interesting
The cookie production must grow
i know that without Space age or Gleba Factorio is pretty unsurprising and well known, but stupid clicker on this channel is something new.
Inspired me to finally get this silly achievement after years of playing...I followed a similar strat up to 2 mines, then bought whatever. Got a golden frenzy, then a very lucky 2nd frenzy at exactly 14 minutes. Ended up with about a 14:15 time!
Nice! That IS lucky though, would have ended up at approximately 15:45 without the 2nd frenzy!
I played this game years ago but didn't bother with this achievement (and several others). I literally returned a couple of days ago just to get this one. What a strange coincidence.
This new Factorio dlc is crazy
1:32 "lol lmao" Said the scorpion
Strangest episode of Factorio to date 🍪
Factorio 2.0's secret new planet: the cookie planet
I liked the part with the cookies.
really nicely edited and presented run! I love the spreadsheets lol
Man I love cookie clicker, rn I'm waiting a year for the final achievments (upgrading with sugar lumps). It's interesting seeing other factorio players enjoying the game too
What happened to your audio? Your voice used to be crisp on your earlier Factorio videos, like the max evolution series. But here and in some other ones it sounds flat and muffled. It's a shame because your voice is very easy on the ears, and the low quality audio ruins it...
Earlier Factorio Videos, excuse me, the commentated speedrun, the arid desert these 4 videos were the only ones with his voice alongside factorio. They're 8-9 years ago, Then starting with the Biter Island challenge map, he stopped commentating and used text. And the only thing that has changed is that he has gotten more used to speaking in his videos.
@@livedandletdiehave you watched any of his recent videos?? He’s been using a microphone since his latest deathworld series which started 2 years ago
Cookie Mike caught me by surprise
sorry to keep asking for this but PLEASE more factorio 10k on youtube
God bless for auto-clicker, saviour of hands about to suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome.
Cheerz dude! 💪🏽🙏🏼
God, this guys as optimized Cookie clicker... A true genius
w channel
michael I love you, this is gigabased. can't wait to watch you play kittens game in the future. I wonder how fast you can get to chronospheres in it from a fresh wipe
wait, chronospheres? I really didn't get far in kittens game huh
just started playing this game about a 3 weeks ago, what timing!
"Cookie Stall 1 looks too intense for me."
I'm not paying THAT much for a cookie from cookie stall 1
You might be mixing up your Dutch video game content creators, my dude. Then again, I can't say I've ever seen Michael Hendriks and Marcel Vos in the same room...
FYI, even ignoring the opportunity cost there are cases where highest ROI is _not_ the optimum strategy.
Consider for the sake of argument if you had two choices: thing A that cost 1000 and produced 1, and thing B that cost 2500 and produced 4, and you have a current production of 1. Ignore exponential costs for a moment. What is the optimum choice?
Well, the ROI of thing A is 0.001 and the ROI of thing B is 0.0016, so you should choose thing B, right? Wrong.
Consider if you choose thing B.
0 seconds, production of 1.
2500 seconds, production of 5.
3000 seconds, production of 9.
3278 seconds, production of 13.
Consider if you choose thing A.
0 seconds, production of 1.
1000 seconds, 1x A, production of 2.
1500 seconds, 2x A, production of 3.
1834 seconds, 3x A, production of 4.
2084 seconds, 4x A, production of 5. -> wait, but this is the same production as B and at 2084 seconds not 2500!
2284 seconds, 5x A, production of 6 -> wait, we've surpassed B!
The actual game is a little more complex - exponentially rising costs and all that - but a similar effect still applies. There is an opportunity cost for going for more expensive upgrades, as it means you have cookies sitting there 'uselessly' for longer. (Or another way of looking at the same thing: cheaper upgrades mean you get them sooner.)
A better approximation is to, roughly:
a) Figure out the continuous interpolation of each option.
b) Pick the option with the highest derivative at t=0.
For instance, in my toy example, we have the following for thing A:
cookies(t) = .596018*1.00098^(t) + 0.406256
And for thing B:
cookies(t) = 0.121624*1.0014^(t) + 0.890608
(Note: I just did a nonlinear least-squares fit. If you want to do this 'properly' instead solve the differential equation.)
Derivative at t=0 for
A: 0.00058
B: 0.00017
So you "should" choose thing A here, at least initially.
This is still an approximation - but a better one.
Isn't that (not buying X to buy Y first) the definition of opportunity cost? The spreadsheet allows (manually) adjusting for that by increasing the cost of the better but more expensive choice by adding the amount of missed cookies, as showcased the second time I overlay the spreadsheet (taking into account the opportunity cost of skipping buying cheaper options drops the ROI of grandma doubler from 440 to 430 IIRC)
@@MichaelHendriks Yeah, you're right re: opportunity cost. Been too long since economics.
Adding the # of missed cookies improves things somewhat but is still suboptimal. Note that in my example even adding the 1500 'missed' cookies from taking B over A results in A and B "tied" in ROI (A is 1 / 1000; B is 4 / (1500 + 2500)) even though A is a rather superior choice to B. If you dropped B's cost a little (say, 2400 instead of 2500) you'd end up in a regime where your improved method would still suggest B over A even though A was better.
As you show in your own original example, it's easy to see you miss a whole lot more than 1500 cookies, so you need to add those to the "missed cost" as well. I agree it's a lot of manual work to determine the exact amount of missed cookies several accumulating purchases deep in my spreadsheet and I indeed don't go multi-layer deep in my video as perhaps I should have, but the need for that level of accuracy is offset by the extra time you need to save up cookies for a more expensive purchase being WAY less than the 1500 extra seconds in your example (I think the biggest wait is the 120.000 mine doubler at roughly a minute of waiting), as well as the incremental cost of buildings giving diminishing returns (theoretically you need to add the missed cost both ways). Also it's just a simple spreadsheet, IMO it gets the job done accurate enough and if not, I will still tell myself that as I don't want to fall into an even deeper rabbit hole of coding optimal solutions lol!
*checks calendar* , oh it's not April...
this was a pretty cool video actually
Didn’t expect a cookie clicker video from you
I mean the first video on his channel is Terraria, then a lot of minecraft, Civ IV, then a Factorio speedrun, then Cursed Treasure, then Heroes of Might and Magic 3, then some factorio, minecraft, plants vs zombies... Sure it's been 3 and a half years with only Factorio until this point, but I say nothing seemed out of the ordinary here.
Of course, just wait for Christmas and use reindeer, or abuse golden lumps (get one before 1st prestige level, then ascend and do SB 3 while it's mature, and harvest it to double your bank at some point during the run)
You won't even need GCs at all
Or alternativly a Cookies storm as 2nd GC, though that's even rarer then Click Frenzy
2 Frenzies also Work, similar rarity to Click Frenzy
Of course, but the point was to make a reliable, no-special-tricks-needed strategy
@@MichaelHendriks The strat here only works if you can maintain the necessary clicks per second though, which not everyone can.
I'd always recommend doing it in Christmas season
holy shit, i’m excited
your content is fantastic
audio still sounds low bitrate.. check the audio bitrate just under video bitrate (on obs at least)
mine defaults to 160
Even with this very refined strategy it was very close!
I finetuned my clicking speed to as few clicks per second required to still beat it
I see one of the channels for my favorite idle game is branching out to my second favorite idle game.
Currently streaming the process of making a 10k SPM idle factory lol
im kind curious about your knowledge now xD
the cookies must grow
this is the content i got in for.
Very Impressive!
The video that nobody asked, but everyone needs.
Carpal tunnel challenge
When cookie clicker death world?
legend speaks of a comment Mike hasn't hearted...but for me it will remain a legend
hey did you put the bot mall in your self bal starting base? i will be getting the game soon and i want to use your book for my first base.
Bot mall is not part of the base
spreadsheeted?
spreadshidded?
spreadshat?
got a question about factorio. do you know a site or note pad where i can find out stuff like "how many miners to fill up a yellow/red/blue belt?"
Factorio wiki / Factorio cheat sheet
He got that cookie crack now
No I won't allow myself lol. Just this short challenge to get my cooie fix this time
Oh ok ok thats good
If you buy multiple of an upgrade do you get them all at the displayed price or does it take into account the increase for each one?
No discounts
COOKIES!!!🍪🍪
Gonk :O
yes
Why is everyone doing cookie clicker recently lol
What the heck did I just watch?
Please upload some project zomboid
I'm playing this again now and it's all your fault
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............
Lol this is different