I think the clone trooper scenes are going to be a flash back. The trailer is edited to make it look like Cassian is on Ferrix looking at them, but I’m pretty sure the dude in the foreground in the clip of the clones marching is Clem. Also, in the clip of the ISB troopers with the riot shields you can see stormtroopers in the background. The last clue is the clip of the clones turning their blasters seemingly forming a firing squad. In this clip the civilians of Ferrix are dressed very differently than they are in 5 BBY. During the first couple episodes almost all Ferrix civilians wear yellow while in the clone clip there is no yellow to be seen. I’m guessing they are going to use these flashbacks to show how Clem dies (my guess is the scene of the man approaching the clones in the rain) and to contrast the initial subjugation of Ferrix at the dawn of the new order vs how the police state has evolved during the current events in 5 BBY. The citizens of Ferrix have clearly been through this before.
@@carlostrujillo26 You may be right. I don’t know who that is specifically and I didn’t think it was Cassian based on the outfit. If it is Cassian he would be younger if Clem was still alive. Either way I don’t think the clip is set in 5 BBY.
Ah, this makes sense, too -- I originally assumed it was a flashback in the trailers, because it makes more sense to the timeline. Do you think they're going to hang Clem, just like Luthen mentioned in the third episode? Crazy dark for the clones, and I kind of love that idea.
I think what's left of the clone troopers in 5 BBY is going to consist mainly of the kid clones that were hauled off of Kamino before the Empire blew up Tipoca City. Even a member of the 501st legion was already a homeless veteran by the time of 9 BBY
When Rogue One came out I was hoping we'd see more stuff exactly like Andor. These kinds of details and on the ground focus has always been my favorite aspect of the universe. I never expected them to nail it like this.
If I’m correct, Vader still used the 501st for the majority of his legion and continued to till the destruction of the first Death Star because majority of them were on board, so it isn’t too crazy for clones to still be in the army it’s is weird they’re still in clone armor
That would always be my mindset for the 501st anyways. As for other clones, realistically would probably be higher ups such as commanders or trainers. Then again, Clones were never seen as important nor respected individuals. There were only few who saw them as valuable, so I bet they were treated unfairly unless under Vader or as a commando squad. Technically, commando units didn’t die out in the special forces aspect, a few squads [proof of it in bad batch] were active even after the reorganization from Republic to Empire, and the fact that they were guarding high level facilities that weren’t on the grid means their purpose was highly needed.
@@PrograError eh, if they could afford a fucking planetary battle ship they can most likely outfit all their troops in the right gear. Besides the empire was all about subjugation and loyalty. Palpatine never trusted the clones, he knew they’d always be on the verge of mutiny once they realized what was up (I.e Fives). Most likely a flashback. It wouldn’t make sense at all for the empire to keep clone trooper armor. Plus it’s outdated in comparison to the time period (5bby). Body armor surely must’ve evolved since 19 bby
I hope that they give Temuera Morrison the chance to show that he can flesh out the Clones like Baker can. He's played roles other than Jango and Boba, so I'm sure he has more range than people give him credit for.
Your take on stormtroopers reminds me a lot of how wars are fought today, where the bulk of the infantry force doesn't do that much fighting, and the majority of combat is left to either elite special forces, or irregular forces. It's the kind of fighting you do when you're looking to occupy places with much lesser military capability than you have, so it makes a lot of sense for the empire to function this way, especially when we know the US parallels are intentional.
It may have something to do with how in the past that most countries were focusing on the war on terrorism as opposed to a war between two nations, like what you see going on in Ukraine right now. You don't necessarily need a whole army to take down a whole cell of terrorists unless the Taliban that control Afghanistan's government, if you can even call it that nowadays, were to declare all out war against the US or one of its strong allies then you would see a call to war which would result in more soldiers than those previously sent into the Middle East being deployed in higher amounts than ever before.
Yup. Afghanistan is an example. Prior to the invasion it was a CIA BlackOps, paralleling it with the ISB troops on Ferrix now. 300 special operators and 100 CIA officers rode into Afghanistan on horseback with $100m to setup the Northern Alliance and dismantle the Taliban. CIA wrapped the Taliban up in 9 weeks, everything thereafter was using the conventional troops as an occupation force.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena Afghanistan was not a Black Operation. A Black Operation has no trace to its government, Afghanistan although it should have been a Black Operation was a normal Blacklight Operation that was on the books but only available to those that had a high enough security clearance to look at it under the Blacklight. A Black Operation again is unrevealed to anyone but the President, Secretary of State, CIA Director, and its operational Teams(CIA Operatives, directing/supporting Generals or Admirals, and of course Black Teams).
Spot on assessment. I’m so glad I found your channel recently. I’m so tired of Star Wars Theory and how he hates anything that doesn’t have Darth Vader and all the things he already knows. You’re a breath of fresh air.
Star Wars Theory sort of lost the plot ever since 2018/2019… He started being less logical and trust his instincts (and unwarranted anger) a lot more. I think the reason for this is also him being in contact with certain members of the fanbase and attracti g a ”certain audience” that demand him to act a certain way in streams (and he streams a lot) which has affected his personality a lot.
Actually this is very plausible, according to the Legends, the Rebel Marines were equipped with modified Phase 2 armour in case they have to fight aboard starships. I really hope disney will recanonise this.
Clones actually were very skilled. Engineering, advanced mathematics, basic medical training, combat, logistical organization, etc are all things taught to every clone.
I love how we haven’t seen stormtroopers yet. All the other Star Wars shows, including the animated ones frankly, have turned stormtroopers into complete morons, when instead they should be portrayed as shock troops. I think Rogue One did a great job of establishing the threat that storm and shore troopers pose, and how good of a fight they put against Rebel Special Forces.
Seeing what I’ve seen so far, I have every confidence that Gilroy is going to give us the satisfying payoff(s) that all of the character and story development is pointing to. What’s truly great about Andor is that, even after next week’s arc conclusion, we still have SIX more episodes to go!! If you’ve been looking at the runtimes on Disney+, these episodes/chapters are of a comparable length to OWK, BBF, and Mando, if not slightly longer on average. I’m so glad that Disney/Lucasfilm finally opened their purse strings and allowed a series the room it needed to spread out and breathe. Obi-Wan Kenobi and particularly Book of Boba Fett could have benefited significantly by having the luxury of even 3 more episodes to tell their stories. And then there’s the writing… ❤
If you rewatch the trailers, you can clearly see storm troopers behind the ISB riot troopers, so the clones have to be in a flash back. Not to mention the first shot with the clones shows Andor's adopted father is alive.
Sounds good to me. When I saw the clone troopers in the trailer, I thought it was a flash back (I'm sure everyone did), but bringing them back for security guard detail, at this backwater world sounds about right. I love this show, they are doing such a great job, like you said, this isn't an episodic series, it's an epic, a film broken down into chapters.
Reason 1 : The youngest clones before the clone trooper procurement program's cancellation have more combat experience than average Death Troopers. Reason 2 : The Empire still believe that just a few number of Clone Troopers are adequate for the job, but around 3 BBY onwards, the Empire realised that they need millions of conscripts to join stormtrooper and army trooper corps to fight the rebels. The stormtroopers are more like the US Marine Corps, while the Army Troopers are more like US National Guards or US Army itself. While the Clone Troopers were like the old but experienced ex Soviet veterans recently call up by Russian Authorities to fight against the Ukrainian counter offensives.
Comparing Clone Troopers to those being mobilized in Russia in terms of "combat experience" is an extreme insult to the Clone Troopers. They're not calling up some grizzled veterans, they're calling up old men who got like a year or so of basic training decades ago who never saw combat. They're rank amateurs compared to Clone Troopers.
The clones are definitely from a flashback, we see imperial troopers (same armour as mud troopers) trying to hold back a riot on ferrix in the trailer, and the clones will probably mark the beginning of the imperial presence on ferrix and clem’s death
Why the clone troopers cannot get jobs as security guards for the organizations like the Banking Clan, the Corporate Alliance, the Commerce Guild, the Kuat Drive Yard and the Mining Guild after the Empire forcibly retired them? Heck, they can even get jobs as part of the troops for the Corporate Sector Authority. But why did they not do that? And I meant those who were force to retire by the Empire, of course.
Easy, bad writing. Palpatine being Palpatine wouldn't have been stupid to just let millions of highly elite soldiers fend for themselves. In Legends they got a sweet retirement package, continued serving, or went to Mandalore.
um a lot of vets in real life struggle to find jobs. put that on a galactic scale, and multiply the ptsd by around 10 due to the SW galaxy being way crazier than earth
bear in mind that the clones, by virtue of their creation are effectively the property of first the republic and then the empire- this leaves Palpatine and senior commanders in a position of being able to use them to the point of destruction, with individual clones having few rights of their own. I suspect that beyond those clones who deserted, the only clones allowed to retire from service were those who were no longer physically or mentally fit for combat
@@pompuspig Exactly! Even though the war was over, Palpatine wanted to not only keep a standing military, but massively expanded it and recruited billions of new soldiers. The oldest of the clones would have been 26, in prime condition to serve for at least another 20 years. How incredibly pointless and wasteful would it be to force them into retirement? And what about the youngest of them? The clone embryos still growing into foetuses in gestation pods, all of which he had already paid for? This kind of bullshit is why I didn't watch Kenobi, never made it past the first episode of the Bad Batch.
Because private security usually recruits people with valid IDs. Clones have GAR IDs. They are not citizens of anything anywhere. They can only work if there is no legal contract involved.
This clone thing might happen around 19-18 BBY after the Empire's formation and if they're pushing things even further into the grittier and darker turn they might show us Clem Andor's (Cassian's stepfather) hanging on Rix Road as mentioned by Luthen (Stellan Skarsgård). As you can see from the trailer scenes Clem's still alive and looking at the Clones marching into their town, besides someone who may be a younger Cassian (who's later seen rising a melee weapon and walking towards some Clones)
is it possible the clone's aging stops at some point? I personally never liked the idea that the aging continues for their entire life, long after they reached maturity and fighting age. It just seems like a terrible idea to lose your entire military twice as fast as you might otherwise.
Planned obsolescence. Most will die and the remaining will get wounded/injured and be less than 100% fit and end up dying too. Look at it from the gihaal's point of view. Palps didn't care as long as there were enough to do Order 66.
Aren't they given growth acceleration so that when their being trained they have an able-bodied physique to ensure that they can stand a chance on the battlefield? Yet they still age faster than everyone else. Because that kinda reminds me of how the Replicants from Blade Runner are created and are only given a short lifespan and die after a certain amount of time.
It has been established as canon that they age 2 times as fast until death. He was physically 36 bit biologically 72 during the assault on Endor. But you also have to take in consider that all clones are going to always be at the peak of human physical ability until they die. Think of them like those ild people that you see that in theirb70s and 80s are running and jogging and move like they are in thier 40s or 50s
Think about it this way. In Attack of the Clones, the Republic was facing a crisis, the Separatist movement, a large scale rebellion that not only had built up a MASSIVE army of killing machines, and a vast fleet of warships, but was on the verge of war against the Republic, which was already fragile and almost completely defenceless. As far as anyone was concerned, the Republic needed an army, and needed it as soon as possible. Midway through the movie, when Jar Jar Binks proposes giving emergency powers to Palpatine, the average senator would have been thinking " let's pass the Military Creation Act, and give the Supreme Chancellor emergency powers, so that he can approve the creation of an army. And hopefully, just maybe, when this powder keg finally blows, we'll have one, and stand a chance of fighting back against the Separatists". We all know what Palpatine actually had planned for the Clone Army, but no one else was thinking long-term, because they were desperate for a quick solution to the political disaster they were facing that needed to be confronted *now* . That said, the Clone Wars could have lasted 20 years rather than 3, and in that case, there could theoretically have been clone troopers from the first batch still in fighting shape.
in the original Star Wars: Battlefront games the 501st Legion are still clones, which actually makes sense because like Clone Troopers they can actually hit their targets - unlike regular stormtrooper. I seem to remember the game also saying that other legions were made of clones from different people rather than Jango Fett, but the original Clone War clones never got along with the newbies.
I like to cling to the idea that the OG Battlefront 2 will still be canon where the clones are integrated into the Stormtroopers, but perhaps only the healthy ones, meaning the homeless one we saw in Kenobi was probably injured or suffering issues from the ageing process perhaps.
It kinda makes sense that you would put soldiers that are going to be retired anyways on a backwater planet as a garrisons force, in a time where the military structure is changing.
It was a flashback, they simply juxtaposed Andor as a adult in it (as if he was reliving the moment). Later they show him as a kid charging the Clones.
I wish more clones had found a way out like cut lawquane, rex, wolffe, gregor, and hock malsuum, and the bad batch (except crosshair). I am happy to the clones back in action, the phase two armor looks good and really fits in with the tones in andor.
Just make a flaw in the chips like heat, radiation, shock freezing temperatures and say a ship of clones with or without a jedi got free went into hiding. Then you could say hey did they plant the idea of the rebellion throughout the galaxy?
I’m guessing that the Empire could still have Clone Troopers in some areas and the Empire could be scraping the bottom of the barrel to keep up with the growing rebellion. Maybe the unit shown was about to be retired and instead the order was given to send them in… at least for now
Fiscally, it shouldn’t make sense to decommission/“forcefully retire” all surviving, fully trained clones at their peak (late-20’s through even early 40’s, considering that the clones were genetically designed for warfare and on strict diet and PT regiments that would have kept them at maximum fitness). Going to the labor and expense of training an entire new force of new recruits from scratch would be far more expensive and time-consuming. The most logical explanation is that new clones were simply no longer generated; and those slots left by clones that were KIA, disabled in combat, or aged out would ultimately be filled by conscripted recruits over time.
1. It is probably a flashback. 2. It could be just surplus armor. The U.S. military used the same helmet in WW2 all the way into the mid 1980s, with many smaller countries using them for years after that. Surely, there would be surplus Phase 2 armor all over the place with underfunded or planetay defense units.
Yeah! I've always thought about someone finding surpluses of Old republic era armor from either side of the conflict, confirming that that did in fact happen.
I've never bought the reason the clones went away for cost. Considering the size of the galaxy and the clone army only numbered, at the most, in the low millions, it wasn't that expensive.
Looking at militaries in the real world for comparison, having 10-20 year outdated equipment still in use, especially for rear-echelon type units, makes a lot of sense to me. People who join the US military today are still getting issued UCP gear occasionally, even though that pattern was only in use 2005-2015 and was supposed to be totally phased out years ago. Someone who joined my unit last month was issued a UCP vest because supply was out of OCP vests. I'd not be surprised if prior to the rebellion really taking off, garrisons of small, backwater worlds were still using clone wars era equipment because new equipment hadn't been produced in large enough quantities yet to equip the entire military.
It’s probably just a flashback of the empire putting on a show of strength or a parade in the first few years after the defeat of the separatists like the kind we’d see in bad batch which would explain why all the clones have white armour and why they’re being lead by an imperial officer
Of course the clones are all gonna be like 58, Temuera Morrison is 61 but he's still kicking ass as the forever-reincarnation of Jango Fett. God, Two main-line characters (Jango and Boba) AND an entire army made up of himself, also with well-known named clones. God, Temuera has like the BEST job security. "What, Disney wants to pay me a bucket of cash for starring as an old homeless clone on the set of Obi-wan? Sure, fuck it, I'm already in the studio across the street filming Book of Boba, I'm sure I can fit that in-between my cameo for The Mandalorian! Oh my phone's ringing, hello? Ah, clones in the new ANDOR series? Count me in!"
The scenes showing clone troopers are definitely flashbacks. You see them in the scene where Cassian's adoptive father gets caught up in the riot that leads to his hanging.
I think Palpatine gave Tarkin so much power because he created trouble, not solved it. Tarkin was Palpatine's excuse for cracking down on worlds. He would send Tarkin in, who would stir things up, and then use the resulting troubles as an excuse to crack down on the planet.
One potential you’re overlooking is the biomedical technology of the Star Wars universe. The Empire could be giving clones some sort of booster keeping them near peak condition for longer while their other forces are brought up to par.
Not sure why anyone would be bored with Andor… unless they’re not really Star Wars fans or they just don’t like having to think while being entertained. Solo & The Sequel Tragedy were meant to appeal to the oblivious masses, wowed by the pretty colors and spectacle… and 10,000 Death Star Destroyers(oh, what high stakes we have!!🤨)
It’s not 5 BBY it’s a flashback to when they were still using Clones…. Andor is a child in the flashbacks… the show literally shows us that he’s is a child but we are mostly being shown Adult Andor in the flashback to represent that he’s essentially reliving that moment…
if you look really close in the back ground when the Infantry is armed up and has shields there are Storm Troopers at 4:20. My bet is the clones are a flashback.
The Empire doesn't just want order and control in the various systems. They also want some level of strife, strain, and despair. That strengthens the Dark Side, which means it strengthens the Emperor. Luckily for Palps, all he has to do is foster an environment of preferring cruel, ambitious, questionably moral people for promotion, and it will naturally create strife in the various systems. Of course he also has to ensure there are a few actually competent people in there as well (Thrawn, Tarkin, etc.) so it doesn't immediately collapse into open infighting, but if you notice, Palps tends to recruit and/or place those people himself. I wonder if he sees himself doing so as something of a hobby, much like pruning a bonsai tree...?
I mean, I believe growing up and aging are two different things. If the clones grow up twice as fast, which we know they do, perhaps quicker than that for the later generations, that doesn’t mean they have to age twice as fast. If a clone born around the time of Phantom Menace was grown up by the time of Attack of the Clones, and you assume “grown up” to be around 20 years in practice, then adding three years for the Clone Wars just gets us to 37. Going by Rex, Wolffe, and Gregor who we see again in 5 or 4 BBY, they could easily be dad-bod near forty year olds. This explanation is friendlier to the Canon which states Rex was on Endor, he’d be a white bearded 46 year old, not 72
even Cody have beard in Andor series, but his hair and beard color is still black or maybe Brown, unlike rex who have white beard, It probably Cody was younger than Rex in 5 BBY.
@@isaacrebellion9893 I believe Cody and Rex were either the same age, or Cody may have been a few months older than Rex. The white beards and hair of Rex and Wolffe, along with the grey beard of the clone we see in the Obi Wan Kenobi series, does perhaps indicate aging at double the normal rate. I believe though, that each clone would’ve been an asset to the Kaminoans, and an experienced clone even more so. It wouldn’t make sense for them to allow the clones to age faster than normal humans, even if growing up faster does make sense. I believe whichever gene therapy they would’ve used on the clones may just not have helped them retain their hair colour
Main frontliners are turned into peace officers rather than actual soldiers. When war breaks out, all they could do was use what was tried and true a long time ago. Just like the French during WW1 still using uniforms and tactics they've used a long time ago.
I agree with your assessment of how we're still seeing clones this far along after the fall of the Republic. It adds another fascinating and grounded element to a solidly made series. Speaking of which, I really enjoy watching Andor! The tone that Tony Gilroy sets is completely different from any other show or movie, and it's perfectly suited for the tense and gritty journey Cassian Andor is making at this point in the timeline. Gilroy was a huge creative force in the original Bourne trilogy and I see some tonal similarities between Bourne and Andor, and Andor is better for it!
Great Point about the "StormTroopers" only being the typical (even in our world) "Storm Trooper", shock & awe forces. I havnt seen any mention or media about that since the 80's when the books pointed that out (and many other now obscure bits) many times. Leave them in, as long as they're still fit to serve and still capable of helping to train the newer stormtroopers it would be the best training the Empire could get. Let them get Thinned out through service, age or other,
If you have technology that allows you to freeze people, and if you have a highly specialised force made up of men that have short lives, you can extend their usefulness by putting them in the freezer and just decanting when you need them. Hence the reason why when rioting started then the clone troopers appeared. They are a quick reaction force that has possibly been frozen in preparedness for the next job.
The black uniforms are the security services, part of COMPNOR and closely grouped with the ISB. None of them are the green imperial army. A deleted comment from Krennic to Tarkin was left in the rogue one novelization that Tarkin needed his men to run the station.
Are you guys really confused about how a flashback works? Lol. We see Stormtroopers in the modern day trailer shots with Andor and the Imperial Army troops
I suspect the presence of Clones is more or less a representation of the 501 being present. The Emperor was known for pitting imperial branches against each other in order to keep them both in line. It makes sense that The Emperor would make the ISB use Vader's Fist, because then the ISB would have to clear everything directly or indirectly with Vader- and likewise the ISB would theoretically know what Vader was up to. It also, narratively, shows the effect of the Empire- which is what the show is about. As well as providing a way for The Emperor, Vader, and pretty much everything we associate with The Empire, to appear in the show without physically appearing on screen.
So somebody explain why they have clone armor and blasters? Even if the Empire kept clones around, why would they give them old equipment? Other clones were given stormtrooper armor and stormtrooper blasters. And how bad can things get on Ferrix if clones have to be brought in instead of stormtroopers? It just makes more sense it’s a flashback to sometime during the first few years of the Empire. If it is in 5 BBY, this Gilroy guy is making a bit of a stretch. What also worries me is how he’ll portray these few “lucky” clones the Empire kept. Now, I can imagine these clones felt they scored the jackpot when they out of all their brothers got to be kept on. Like the stormtroopers, they’re probably fanatic soldiers. Though I’m wondering if the show is going to skip over the tragic lives of clones in favor of showing how brutal and horrific they are without the influence of the only people who cared for them.
It's probably going to be a flashback, but it would be cool if the last few batches of Clones were used by the ISB or Imperial Army as Stormtroopers were used by the Imperial Navy.
I always assumed that when I saw these clones in the trailers that it was a flashback scene to clones on a separatist planet. But instead the idea that they're one of the few remaining batches of clones to expand direct Imperial enforcement to an otherwise remote and relatively ignored system makes a lot of sense -- may as well use what you have, especially if they'll do the job reliably.
I think we're seeing the last of the Phase II armor, but not actual clones; those are probably just regular humans who haven't yet received Stormtrooper armor. In several shots, we see regular Stormtroopers on what appears to be Ferrix as well. Because Ferrix is an Outer Rim post, troops in the Outer Rim will logically be the last to receive the newest weapons and armor. The Empire is easily able to supply new tech to worlds close to the production centers, but the farther out you go in the galaxy, the longer it takes to get the tech to you. We're probably going to see a mix of Phase II and TK armor, due to everyone being at different stages of getting their gear. This is also why we see every Imperial trooper wielding the E-10 blaster in Andor. The E-10 was already obsolete by around 9 BBY; it just wasn't fully replaced by the E-11 in the Outer Rim until many years later. (Strangely, though, the E-22 is shown in Solo as being fielded at the same time the E-10 and E-10R blasters were in use, meaning the 22 predated the E-11. Doesn't exactly make sense with the model numbers...)
Hey, if the armor works... 9:12 They could totally just give some Imperial Army guys a facemask or something, either keeping their nose exposed but not the mouth, or just make a fully-concealed one, I'm usre they could come up with something that doesn't look like a stormtrooper that still fits
Es necesario recordar que en el nuevo canon las unidades de asalto clonicas tambien usaban la armadura de soldado de asalto al igual que sus compañeros reclutados como lo fue en el antiguo canon, y si, es cierto que algunos soldados de asalto clonicos todavian usaban la vieja armadura de la face 2 por lo menos en los primeros tres años del imperio, pero tambien hay que recordar que en un comienzo los primeros reclutas del cuerpo de soldados de asalto tambien tuvieron que usar la misma armadura de la face 2 como sus compañeros clonicos, debido a que en un comienzo la armadura de soldado de asalto aun no existia, ya que en ese momento todavia estaba en proceso de experimentacion con el prototipo, que era la armadura usada por los soldados tk que vimos en el lote malo de clones, tal como fue con el prototipo de la armadura de la face 2 usada por los soldados clon de elite ARC durante las guerras clon por si algunos no lo recuerdan. Y para demostrar que es cierto lo que acabo de escribir, les mencionare a los soldados de asalto clonicos que usaban la armadura de soldado de asalto que son los siguientes: 1. Soldado de asalto sargento Crest, 2. Soldado de asalto TX-828 mas conocido como sargento Torrent, 3. Soldado de asalto de las arenas que era miembro de la unidad que se topo con Luke y Kenobi con los droides en Tatooin, 4. Soldado de asalto clonico mencionado por sus compañeros reclutas que se toparon con Kenobi y la pequeña Leiya en el episodio 3 de la serie de Obiwan Kenobi y 5. Un soldado de asalto clonico que era miembro de la guardia real del emperador Palpatine que aparece en un comic (se que no usa la armadura pero lo mencione porque usaba la armadura roja carmesi de la guardia imperial e incluso protegio directamente a su emperador con su vida junto con su compañero recluta, y como los guardias imperiales estaban formados en parte por personal de los soldados de choque imperiales de la capital del imperio, me da mas motivo de mencionarlo). Y como evidencia de que los reclutas tambien usaban la armadura face 2, hay que recordar a las unidades de choque imperiales que todavian usaban la armadura de choque de la era de las guerras clon, en "plena" epoca de la triologia original, que de seguro, lo usaban tanto clones como reclutas humanos.
According to the 501st Journal, the Clones eventually had their accelerated aging cured. The 501st kept a particularly large number of Clones in it, serving all the way until Endor.
I don't ever recall the Journal saying anything of that sort, I think you have just made an assumption with how long after the CW's the Clones continued serving.
@@the_corvid97 Since the 501st had clones on Hoth, and seeing as Republic Commando/Legacy of the Force both talk about curing it, I made the assumption.
Great Video. I would think that most debts from the Republic carried over to the Empire as the successor goverment, as it occurs on Earth, to do otherwise risks a massive financial crisis, but the Empire with its unchallenged power could make a few exceptions.
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I think the clone trooper scenes are going to be a flash back. The trailer is edited to make it look like Cassian is on Ferrix looking at them, but I’m pretty sure the dude in the foreground in the clip of the clones marching is Clem. Also, in the clip of the ISB troopers with the riot shields you can see stormtroopers in the background. The last clue is the clip of the clones turning their blasters seemingly forming a firing squad. In this clip the civilians of Ferrix are dressed very differently than they are in 5 BBY. During the first couple episodes almost all Ferrix civilians wear yellow while in the clone clip there is no yellow to be seen. I’m guessing they are going to use these flashbacks to show how Clem dies (my guess is the scene of the man approaching the clones in the rain) and to contrast the initial subjugation of Ferrix at the dawn of the new order vs how the police state has evolved during the current events in 5 BBY. The citizens of Ferrix have clearly been through this before.
you can see andor talking to his step dad
@@carlostrujillo26 You may be right. I don’t know who that is specifically and I didn’t think it was Cassian based on the outfit. If it is Cassian he would be younger if Clem was still alive. Either way I don’t think the clip is set in 5 BBY.
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Ah, this makes sense, too -- I originally assumed it was a flashback in the trailers, because it makes more sense to the timeline. Do you think they're going to hang Clem, just like Luthen mentioned in the third episode? Crazy dark for the clones, and I kind of love that idea.
I think what's left of the clone troopers in 5 BBY is going to consist mainly of the kid clones that were hauled off of Kamino before the Empire blew up Tipoca City. Even a member of the 501st legion was already a homeless veteran by the time of 9 BBY
The lore really turned into a mess after that
It's a flashback scene, even if there are still clones in service by 5 BBY I don't think they'd be wearing phase 2 armor.
Nah, the 501st is under Vader as Vaders Fist. Vader didnt want the new recruits because he knew that they suck. All of his men are clones.
At least we would get to see Temuera Morrison play as the Clone Troopers once again in Andor show.
Choice!
i wonder if he gets paid for multiple roles, also does he get paid when the clones have their helmets on?
@@GenerationTech If he does the voice acting, then yeah.
If I was palatine I would carbon freeze whole units of clones in between deployments, which would explain why they "appear" to be disbanded
@@V.B.Squire Kinda makes sense! Keep them in suspension! They wouldn't age!
When Rogue One came out I was hoping we'd see more stuff exactly like Andor. These kinds of details and on the ground focus has always been my favorite aspect of the universe. I never expected them to nail it like this.
If I’m correct, Vader still used the 501st for the majority of his legion and continued to till the destruction of the first Death Star because majority of them were on board, so it isn’t too crazy for clones to still be in the army it’s is weird they’re still in clone armor
prob a cost saving act... if most troopers are clones why do we need to change the uniform that fast...
That was legends. If they are canonizing that though it would be amazing
That would always be my mindset for the 501st anyways.
As for other clones, realistically would probably be higher ups such as commanders or trainers. Then again, Clones were never seen as important nor respected individuals. There were only few who saw them as valuable, so I bet they were treated unfairly unless under Vader or as a commando squad. Technically, commando units didn’t die out in the special forces aspect, a few squads [proof of it in bad batch] were active even after the reorganization from Republic to Empire, and the fact that they were guarding high level facilities that weren’t on the grid means their purpose was highly needed.
He used them for the assault on Hoth as well, so they lasted beyond the destruction of the first Death Star
@@PrograError eh, if they could afford a fucking planetary battle ship they can most likely outfit all their troops in the right gear. Besides the empire was all about subjugation and loyalty. Palpatine never trusted the clones, he knew they’d always be on the verge of mutiny once they realized what was up (I.e Fives).
Most likely a flashback. It wouldn’t make sense at all for the empire to keep clone trooper armor. Plus it’s outdated in comparison to the time period (5bby). Body armor surely must’ve evolved since 19 bby
I hope that they give Temuera Morrison the chance to show that he can flesh out the Clones like Baker can. He's played roles other than Jango and Boba, so I'm sure he has more range than people give him credit for.
TES PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Yes. Needs to happen.
The Clone Troopers just wanted to go for a walk.
A very enthusiastic walk.
Your take on stormtroopers reminds me a lot of how wars are fought today, where the bulk of the infantry force doesn't do that much fighting, and the majority of combat is left to either elite special forces, or irregular forces. It's the kind of fighting you do when you're looking to occupy places with much lesser military capability than you have, so it makes a lot of sense for the empire to function this way, especially when we know the US parallels are intentional.
It may have something to do with how in the past that most countries were focusing on the war on terrorism as opposed to a war between two nations, like what you see going on in Ukraine right now.
You don't necessarily need a whole army to take down a whole cell of terrorists unless the Taliban that control Afghanistan's government, if you can even call it that nowadays, were to declare all out war against the US or one of its strong allies then you would see a call to war which would result in more soldiers than those previously sent into the Middle East being deployed in higher amounts than ever before.
Yup. Afghanistan is an example. Prior to the invasion it was a CIA BlackOps, paralleling it with the ISB troops on Ferrix now. 300 special operators and 100 CIA officers rode into Afghanistan on horseback with $100m to setup the Northern Alliance and dismantle the Taliban. CIA wrapped the Taliban up in 9 weeks, everything thereafter was using the conventional troops as an occupation force.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena Afghanistan was not a Black Operation. A Black Operation has no trace to its government, Afghanistan although it should have been a Black Operation was a normal Blacklight Operation that was on the books but only available to those that had a high enough security clearance to look at it under the Blacklight. A Black Operation again is unrevealed to anyone but the President, Secretary of State, CIA Director, and its operational Teams(CIA Operatives, directing/supporting Generals or Admirals, and of course Black Teams).
Spot on assessment. I’m so glad I found your channel recently. I’m so tired of Star Wars Theory and how he hates anything that doesn’t have Darth Vader and all the things he already knows. You’re a breath of fresh air.
Star Wars Theory sort of lost the plot ever since 2018/2019… He started being less logical and trust his instincts (and unwarranted anger) a lot more. I think the reason for this is also him being in contact with certain members of the fanbase and attracti g a ”certain audience” that demand him to act a certain way in streams (and he streams a lot) which has affected his personality a lot.
@@kungolaf4499 exactly right
Maybe those late batch Clones would be integrated into ISB "Pacification" units. Or that scene is a flashback...we will see
Dude, your channel is quickly becoming my go-to for quality Star Wars content. Excellent stuff!!!
Loved timm falling up the steps, nice touch lol
good eye ;)
*when seeing Clone Wars era weapons and stuff left around*
Rebels: "It's free real estate."
Actually this is very plausible, according to the Legends, the Rebel Marines were equipped with modified Phase 2 armour in case they have to fight aboard starships. I really hope disney will recanonise this.
Bro I perfectly agree with your praise of Andor. This show is insanely well done.
Clones actually were very skilled. Engineering, advanced mathematics, basic medical training, combat, logistical organization, etc are all things taught to every clone.
I love how we haven’t seen stormtroopers yet. All the other Star Wars shows, including the animated ones frankly, have turned stormtroopers into complete morons, when instead they should be portrayed as shock troops. I think Rogue One did a great job of establishing the threat that storm and shore troopers pose, and how good of a fight they put against Rebel Special Forces.
Seeing what I’ve seen so far, I have every confidence that Gilroy is going to give us the satisfying payoff(s) that all of the character and story development is pointing to.
What’s truly great about Andor is that, even after next week’s arc conclusion, we still have SIX more episodes to go!! If you’ve been looking at the runtimes on Disney+, these episodes/chapters are of a comparable length to OWK, BBF, and Mando, if not slightly longer on average. I’m so glad that Disney/Lucasfilm finally opened their purse strings and allowed a series the room it needed to spread out and breathe.
Obi-Wan Kenobi and particularly Book of Boba Fett could have benefited significantly by having the luxury of even 3 more episodes to tell their stories.
And then there’s the writing… ❤
If you rewatch the trailers, you can clearly see storm troopers behind the ISB riot troopers, so the clones have to be in a flash back. Not to mention the first shot with the clones shows Andor's adopted father is alive.
I think the clones are a flashback, but I always like seeing more clones. Also I’m hyped for the Imperial Army to return
The scene with the clones is very quick and we have not seen it in an episode yet, so I would say that it is most likely a flashback.
The knowledge is crazy man...thanks for the lore..
Sounds good to me.
When I saw the clone troopers in the trailer, I thought it was a flash back (I'm sure everyone did), but bringing them back for security guard detail, at this backwater world sounds about right.
I love this show, they are doing such a great job, like you said, this isn't an episodic series, it's an epic, a film broken down into chapters.
Reason 1 : The youngest clones before the clone trooper procurement program's cancellation have more combat experience than average Death Troopers.
Reason 2 : The Empire still believe that just a few number of Clone Troopers are adequate for the job, but around 3 BBY onwards, the Empire realised that they need millions of conscripts to join stormtrooper and army trooper corps to fight the rebels.
The stormtroopers are more like the US Marine Corps, while the Army Troopers are more like US National Guards or US Army itself. While the Clone Troopers were like the old but experienced ex Soviet veterans recently call up by Russian Authorities to fight against the Ukrainian counter offensives.
Comparing Clone Troopers to those being mobilized in Russia in terms of "combat experience" is an extreme insult to the Clone Troopers.
They're not calling up some grizzled veterans, they're calling up old men who got like a year or so of basic training decades ago who never saw combat. They're rank amateurs compared to Clone Troopers.
The problem with your theory is that GL said that by this time, the CLones were gone and Stormtrooper conscripts had taken their place.
I agree with everything you said and you spent a lot of time on this. Good job
The clones are definitely from a flashback, we see imperial troopers (same armour as mud troopers) trying to hold back a riot on ferrix in the trailer, and the clones will probably mark the beginning of the imperial presence on ferrix and clem’s death
Why the clone troopers cannot get jobs as security guards for the organizations like the Banking Clan, the Corporate Alliance, the Commerce Guild, the Kuat Drive Yard and the Mining Guild after the Empire forcibly retired them? Heck, they can even get jobs as part of the troops for the Corporate Sector Authority. But why did they not do that? And I meant those who were force to retire by the Empire, of course.
Easy, bad writing. Palpatine being Palpatine wouldn't have been stupid to just let millions of highly elite soldiers fend for themselves. In Legends they got a sweet retirement package, continued serving, or went to Mandalore.
um a lot of vets in real life struggle to find jobs. put that on a galactic scale, and multiply the ptsd by around 10 due to the SW galaxy being way crazier than earth
bear in mind that the clones, by virtue of their creation are effectively the property of first the republic and then the empire- this leaves Palpatine and senior commanders in a position of being able to use them to the point of destruction, with individual clones having few rights of their own. I suspect that beyond those clones who deserted, the only clones allowed to retire from service were those who were no longer physically or mentally fit for combat
@@pompuspig Exactly! Even though the war was over, Palpatine wanted to not only keep a standing military, but massively expanded it and recruited billions of new soldiers. The oldest of the clones would have been 26, in prime condition to serve for at least another 20 years. How incredibly pointless and wasteful would it be to force them into retirement? And what about the youngest of them? The clone embryos still growing into foetuses in gestation pods, all of which he had already paid for? This kind of bullshit is why I didn't watch Kenobi, never made it past the first episode of the Bad Batch.
Because private security usually recruits people with valid IDs. Clones have GAR IDs. They are not citizens of anything anywhere. They can only work if there is no legal contract involved.
This clone thing might happen around 19-18 BBY after the Empire's formation and if they're pushing things even further into the grittier and darker turn they might show us Clem Andor's (Cassian's stepfather) hanging on Rix Road as mentioned by Luthen (Stellan Skarsgård). As you can see from the trailer scenes Clem's still alive and looking at the Clones marching into their town, besides someone who may be a younger Cassian (who's later seen rising a melee weapon and walking towards some Clones)
is it possible the clone's aging stops at some point? I personally never liked the idea that the aging continues for their entire life, long after they reached maturity and fighting age. It just seems like a terrible idea to lose your entire military twice as fast as you might otherwise.
Very insightful point...
Planned obsolescence. Most will die and the remaining will get wounded/injured and be less than 100% fit and end up dying too. Look at it from the gihaal's point of view. Palps didn't care as long as there were enough to do Order 66.
Aren't they given growth acceleration so that when their being trained they have an able-bodied physique to ensure that they can stand a chance on the battlefield? Yet they still age faster than everyone else.
Because that kinda reminds me of how the Replicants from Blade Runner are created and are only given a short lifespan and die after a certain amount of time.
It has been established as canon that they age 2 times as fast until death. He was physically 36 bit biologically 72 during the assault on Endor.
But you also have to take in consider that all clones are going to always be at the peak of human physical ability until they die. Think of them like those ild people that you see that in theirb70s and 80s are running and jogging and move like they are in thier 40s or 50s
Think about it this way. In Attack of the Clones, the Republic was facing a crisis, the Separatist movement, a large scale rebellion that not only had built up a MASSIVE army of killing machines, and a vast fleet of warships, but was on the verge of war against the Republic, which was already fragile and almost completely defenceless. As far as anyone was concerned, the Republic needed an army, and needed it as soon as possible. Midway through the movie, when Jar Jar Binks proposes giving emergency powers to Palpatine, the average senator would have been thinking " let's pass the Military Creation Act, and give the Supreme Chancellor emergency powers, so that he can approve the creation of an army. And hopefully, just maybe, when this powder keg finally blows, we'll have one, and stand a chance of fighting back against the Separatists".
We all know what Palpatine actually had planned for the Clone Army, but no one else was thinking long-term, because they were desperate for a quick solution to the political disaster they were facing that needed to be confronted *now* .
That said, the Clone Wars could have lasted 20 years rather than 3, and in that case, there could theoretically have been clone troopers from the first batch still in fighting shape.
in the original Star Wars: Battlefront games the 501st Legion are still clones, which actually makes sense because like Clone Troopers they can actually hit their targets - unlike regular stormtrooper. I seem to remember the game also saying that other legions were made of clones from different people rather than Jango Fett, but the original Clone War clones never got along with the newbies.
Yep! I was gonna mention that.
I like to cling to the idea that the OG Battlefront 2 will still be canon where the clones are integrated into the Stormtroopers, but perhaps only the healthy ones, meaning the homeless one we saw in Kenobi was probably injured or suffering issues from the ageing process perhaps.
Glad to see things are going well with the show. If this keeps up, I'll end up watching it.
It kinda makes sense that you would put soldiers that are going to be retired anyways on a backwater planet as a garrisons force, in a time where the military structure is changing.
In my SW rpg I moved the cloning facility from Kamanoa to a secret planet. This way the stormtrooper corps is easier to make and imposable to sway.
It was a flashback, they simply juxtaposed Andor as a adult in it (as if he was reliving the moment). Later they show him as a kid charging the Clones.
I wish more clones had found a way out like cut lawquane, rex, wolffe, gregor, and hock malsuum, and the bad batch (except crosshair).
I am happy to the clones back in action, the phase two armor looks good and really fits in with the tones in andor.
Just make a flaw in the chips like heat, radiation, shock freezing temperatures and say a ship of clones with or without a jedi got free went into hiding. Then you could say hey did they plant the idea of the rebellion throughout the galaxy?
@@Hammerfall541 I like your ideas.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 Thank you.
@@Hammerfall541 you're welcome
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I’m guessing that the Empire could still have Clone Troopers in some areas and the Empire could be scraping the bottom of the barrel to keep up with the growing rebellion. Maybe the unit shown was about to be retired and instead the order was given to send them in… at least for now
Fiscally, it shouldn’t make sense to decommission/“forcefully retire” all surviving, fully trained clones at their peak (late-20’s through even early 40’s, considering that the clones were genetically designed for warfare and on strict diet and PT regiments that would have kept them at maximum fitness). Going to the labor and expense of training an entire new force of new recruits from scratch would be far more expensive and time-consuming. The most logical explanation is that new clones were simply no longer generated; and those slots left by clones that were KIA, disabled in combat, or aged out would ultimately be filled by conscripted recruits over time.
1. It is probably a flashback.
2. It could be just surplus armor.
The U.S. military used the same helmet in WW2 all the way into the mid 1980s, with many smaller countries using them for years after that. Surely, there would be surplus Phase 2 armor all over the place with underfunded or planetay defense units.
Yeah! I've always thought about someone finding surpluses of Old republic era armor from either side of the conflict, confirming that that did in fact happen.
I've never bought the reason the clones went away for cost. Considering the size of the galaxy and the clone army only numbered, at the most, in the low millions, it wasn't that expensive.
Looking at militaries in the real world for comparison, having 10-20 year outdated equipment still in use, especially for rear-echelon type units, makes a lot of sense to me. People who join the US military today are still getting issued UCP gear occasionally, even though that pattern was only in use 2005-2015 and was supposed to be totally phased out years ago. Someone who joined my unit last month was issued a UCP vest because supply was out of OCP vests. I'd not be surprised if prior to the rebellion really taking off, garrisons of small, backwater worlds were still using clone wars era equipment because new equipment hadn't been produced in large enough quantities yet to equip the entire military.
It’s probably just a flashback of the empire putting on a show of strength or a parade in the first few years after the defeat of the separatists like the kind we’d see in bad batch which would explain why all the clones have white armour and why they’re being lead by an imperial officer
Of course the clones are all gonna be like 58, Temuera Morrison is 61 but he's still kicking ass as the forever-reincarnation of Jango Fett. God, Two main-line characters (Jango and Boba) AND an entire army made up of himself, also with well-known named clones. God, Temuera has like the BEST job security. "What, Disney wants to pay me a bucket of cash for starring as an old homeless clone on the set of Obi-wan? Sure, fuck it, I'm already in the studio across the street filming Book of Boba, I'm sure I can fit that in-between my cameo for The Mandalorian! Oh my phone's ringing, hello? Ah, clones in the new ANDOR series? Count me in!"
The scenes showing clone troopers are definitely flashbacks. You see them in the scene where Cassian's adoptive father gets caught up in the riot that leads to his hanging.
I’m pretty sure the clones are only going to be in flashbacks.
I think Palpatine gave Tarkin so much power because he created trouble, not solved it. Tarkin was Palpatine's excuse for cracking down on worlds. He would send Tarkin in, who would stir things up, and then use the resulting troubles as an excuse to crack down on the planet.
I'm only on episode 5 of Andor. Shows the best thing to come out of the Star Wars genre since Rogue One.
One potential you’re overlooking is the biomedical technology of the Star Wars universe. The Empire could be giving clones some sort of booster keeping them near peak condition for longer while their other forces are brought up to par.
good point, you also have skirata in legends who "cured" the aging
@@GenerationTech In fairness, they could all die to broken hearts too
Not sure why anyone would be bored with Andor… unless they’re not really Star Wars fans or they just don’t like having to think while being entertained.
Solo & The Sequel Tragedy were meant to appeal to the oblivious masses, wowed by the pretty colors and spectacle… and 10,000 Death Star Destroyers(oh, what high stakes we have!!🤨)
It’s not 5 BBY it’s a flashback to when they were still using Clones…. Andor is a child in the flashbacks… the show literally shows us that he’s is a child but we are mostly being shown Adult Andor in the flashback to represent that he’s essentially reliving that moment…
yep its pretty obvious too idk how generation missed that
Andor is the best Star wars movie/series since Rogue one. Love it so far.
Bringing in Clones was stupid especially when they still had Black Elves, Targaryens & Space Marines at their disposal.
Damnit Horus leave your chaos out of this!
if you look really close in the back ground when the Infantry is armed up and has shields there are Storm Troopers at 4:20. My bet is the clones are a flashback.
The Empire doesn't just want order and control in the various systems. They also want some level of strife, strain, and despair. That strengthens the Dark Side, which means it strengthens the Emperor. Luckily for Palps, all he has to do is foster an environment of preferring cruel, ambitious, questionably moral people for promotion, and it will naturally create strife in the various systems. Of course he also has to ensure there are a few actually competent people in there as well (Thrawn, Tarkin, etc.) so it doesn't immediately collapse into open infighting, but if you notice, Palps tends to recruit and/or place those people himself. I wonder if he sees himself doing so as something of a hobby, much like pruning a bonsai tree...?
I mean, I believe growing up and aging are two different things. If the clones grow up twice as fast, which we know they do, perhaps quicker than that for the later generations, that doesn’t mean they have to age twice as fast. If a clone born around the time of Phantom Menace was grown up by the time of Attack of the Clones, and you assume “grown up” to be around 20 years in practice, then adding three years for the Clone Wars just gets us to 37. Going by Rex, Wolffe, and Gregor who we see again in 5 or 4 BBY, they could easily be dad-bod near forty year olds. This explanation is friendlier to the Canon which states Rex was on Endor, he’d be a white bearded 46 year old, not 72
even Cody have beard in Andor series, but his hair and beard color is still black or maybe Brown, unlike rex who have white beard, It probably Cody was younger than Rex in 5 BBY.
@@isaacrebellion9893 I believe Cody and Rex were either the same age, or Cody may have been a few months older than Rex. The white beards and hair of Rex and Wolffe, along with the grey beard of the clone we see in the Obi Wan Kenobi series, does perhaps indicate aging at double the normal rate. I believe though, that each clone would’ve been an asset to the Kaminoans, and an experienced clone even more so. It wouldn’t make sense for them to allow the clones to age faster than normal humans, even if growing up faster does make sense. I believe whichever gene therapy they would’ve used on the clones may just not have helped them retain their hair colour
That cereal joke at the end made me laugh lmao
trailers are often misleadingly editted, it is much more likely to be a flashback of when cassians father was killed or something similar
Hey if the Empire had tracked Boba Fett creepy the leader of the new Empire Army of Stormtroopers
Main frontliners are turned into peace officers rather than actual soldiers. When war breaks out, all they could do was use what was tried and true a long time ago. Just like the French during WW1 still using uniforms and tactics they've used a long time ago.
Nice 1/6 likeness in the thumbnail
Mandalorian is a kids' show; Andor is for adults. The SW universe is big enough for both.
I agree with your assessment of how we're still seeing clones this far along after the fall of the Republic. It adds another fascinating and grounded element to a solidly made series. Speaking of which, I really enjoy watching Andor! The tone that Tony Gilroy sets is completely different from any other show or movie, and it's perfectly suited for the tense and gritty journey Cassian Andor is making at this point in the timeline. Gilroy was a huge creative force in the original Bourne trilogy and I see some tonal similarities between Bourne and Andor, and Andor is better for it!
Spot on as usual, Alan.
The Empire's other mistake is not using the remaining CIS droid army especially to help man large ships.
Always enjoy the videos.
Great Point about the "StormTroopers" only being the typical (even in our world) "Storm Trooper", shock & awe forces. I havnt seen any mention or media about that since the 80's when the books pointed that out (and many other now obscure bits) many times. Leave them in, as long as they're still fit to serve and still capable of helping to train the newer stormtroopers it would be the best training the Empire could get. Let them get Thinned out through service, age or other,
If you have technology that allows you to freeze people, and if you have a highly specialised force made up of men that have short lives, you can extend their usefulness by putting them in the freezer and just decanting when you need them. Hence the reason why when rioting started then the clone troopers appeared. They are a quick reaction force that has possibly been frozen in preparedness for the next job.
When the Bad Batch first encountered the TK troopers…that hit hard. Very dramatic moment.
The black uniforms are the security services, part of COMPNOR and closely grouped with the ISB. None of them are the green imperial army.
A deleted comment from Krennic to Tarkin was left in the rogue one novelization that Tarkin needed his men to run the station.
Palpatine: Retires the Clone Army
Imperial Generals: Maybe clone tactics are still viable.
Are you guys really confused about how a flashback works? Lol. We see Stormtroopers in the modern day trailer shots with Andor and the Imperial Army troops
I really love your passion for Andor
The Bad Batch Season 2 will answer many questions. It might even need like a few more seasons to fill the story.
That dolphin chitter during the lightsaber swing tho 🐬💀😅😅
My allegiance is to the Empire, to order!
Andor is legit the Star Wars content that Disney created. On par, if not better than Rouge One.
Star wars Battlefront 2 og did continue as the kaminoans did produce clones so the empire sent the 501st to eliminate them.
At least they’re not supplementing their forces with dirty aliens!
HUMANITY 1ST!!!
I suspect the presence of Clones is more or less a representation of the 501 being present.
The Emperor was known for pitting imperial branches against each other in order to keep them both in line.
It makes sense that The Emperor would make the ISB use Vader's Fist, because then the ISB would have to clear everything directly or indirectly with Vader- and likewise the ISB would theoretically know what Vader was up to.
It also, narratively, shows the effect of the Empire- which is what the show is about. As well as providing a way for The Emperor, Vader, and pretty much everything we associate with The Empire, to appear in the show without physically appearing on screen.
10:48 in real world militaries, that’s called simply “the fear”, and it’s very real
It's kinda sad and ironic that the best star wars show comes from someone who is in fact, not a star wars fan. Makes you think..
12 minute video from a misunderstanding of the scene with clones in it. Was just a flashback as you can see Clem alive in it
We saw the stormtroopers in the ISB on Coruscant so not to worry it’s a flash back
So somebody explain why they have clone armor and blasters? Even if the Empire kept clones around, why would they give them old equipment? Other clones were given stormtrooper armor and stormtrooper blasters. And how bad can things get on Ferrix if clones have to be brought in instead of stormtroopers? It just makes more sense it’s a flashback to sometime during the first few years of the Empire. If it is in 5 BBY, this Gilroy guy is making a bit of a stretch. What also worries me is how he’ll portray these few “lucky” clones the Empire kept.
Now, I can imagine these clones felt they scored the jackpot when they out of all their brothers got to be kept on. Like the stormtroopers, they’re probably fanatic soldiers. Though I’m wondering if the show is going to skip over the tragic lives of clones in favor of showing how brutal and horrific they are without the influence of the only people who cared for them.
Its a flashback to when the clones were sent in to deal with ferrix and andors adopted father was killed/ executed.
Called it.
Hello there friends welcome back to another episode of Generation Tech my name is Allen… missed this episode somehow
It's probably going to be a flashback, but it would be cool if the last few batches of Clones were used by the ISB or Imperial Army as Stormtroopers were used by the Imperial Navy.
I always assumed that when I saw these clones in the trailers that it was a flashback scene to clones on a separatist planet. But instead the idea that they're one of the few remaining batches of clones to expand direct Imperial enforcement to an otherwise remote and relatively ignored system makes a lot of sense -- may as well use what you have, especially if they'll do the job reliably.
I like your perfectly neutral background
I think we're seeing the last of the Phase II armor, but not actual clones; those are probably just regular humans who haven't yet received Stormtrooper armor. In several shots, we see regular Stormtroopers on what appears to be Ferrix as well. Because Ferrix is an Outer Rim post, troops in the Outer Rim will logically be the last to receive the newest weapons and armor. The Empire is easily able to supply new tech to worlds close to the production centers, but the farther out you go in the galaxy, the longer it takes to get the tech to you. We're probably going to see a mix of Phase II and TK armor, due to everyone being at different stages of getting their gear.
This is also why we see every Imperial trooper wielding the E-10 blaster in Andor. The E-10 was already obsolete by around 9 BBY; it just wasn't fully replaced by the E-11 in the Outer Rim until many years later. (Strangely, though, the E-22 is shown in Solo as being fielded at the same time the E-10 and E-10R blasters were in use, meaning the 22 predated the E-11. Doesn't exactly make sense with the model numbers...)
I do hope we see Clones. ❤
Hey, if the armor works...
9:12 They could totally just give some Imperial Army guys a facemask or something, either keeping their nose exposed but not the mouth, or just make a fully-concealed one, I'm usre they could come up with something that doesn't look like a stormtrooper that still fits
Turns out... Well, it's not that late... It's a flashback! I know, not news, but this keeps coming up in my feed, so I thought I'd sound smrt.
Well, now we know this was just a flashback. Time to update!
This show has a Blade Runner feel to it.
"27 years later"? Last I checked, Luke and Leia weren't in their thirties in ANH...
reference is to the beginning of the cloning program
@@GenerationTech That makes sense.
We need another flashback showing not Clone Troopers nor Stormtroopers, but TK Troopers.
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Es necesario recordar que en el nuevo canon las unidades de asalto clonicas tambien usaban la armadura de soldado de asalto al igual que sus compañeros reclutados como lo fue en el antiguo canon, y si, es cierto que algunos soldados de asalto clonicos todavian usaban la vieja armadura de la face 2 por lo menos en los primeros tres años del imperio, pero tambien hay que recordar que en un comienzo los primeros reclutas del cuerpo de soldados de asalto tambien tuvieron que usar la misma armadura de la face 2 como sus compañeros clonicos, debido a que en un comienzo la armadura de soldado de asalto aun no existia, ya que en ese momento todavia estaba en proceso de experimentacion con el prototipo, que era la armadura usada por los soldados tk que vimos en el lote malo de clones, tal como fue con el prototipo de la armadura de la face 2 usada por los soldados clon de elite ARC durante las guerras clon por si algunos no lo recuerdan. Y para demostrar que es cierto lo que acabo de escribir, les mencionare a los soldados de asalto clonicos que usaban la armadura de soldado de asalto que son los siguientes: 1. Soldado de asalto sargento Crest, 2. Soldado de asalto TX-828 mas conocido como sargento Torrent, 3. Soldado de asalto de las arenas que era miembro de la unidad que se topo con Luke y Kenobi con los droides en Tatooin, 4. Soldado de asalto clonico mencionado por sus compañeros reclutas que se toparon con Kenobi y la pequeña Leiya en el episodio 3 de la serie de Obiwan Kenobi y 5. Un soldado de asalto clonico que era miembro de la guardia real del emperador Palpatine que aparece en un comic (se que no usa la armadura pero lo mencione porque usaba la armadura roja carmesi de la guardia imperial e incluso protegio directamente a su emperador con su vida junto con su compañero recluta, y como los guardias imperiales estaban formados en parte por personal de los soldados de choque imperiales de la capital del imperio, me da mas motivo de mencionarlo). Y como evidencia de que los reclutas tambien usaban la armadura face 2, hay que recordar a las unidades de choque imperiales que todavian usaban la armadura de choque de la era de las guerras clon, en "plena" epoca de la triologia original, que de seguro, lo usaban tanto clones como reclutas humanos.
According to the 501st Journal, the Clones eventually had their accelerated aging cured. The 501st kept a particularly large number of Clones in it, serving all the way until Endor.
When did it say this? I've played the game and never seen that?
I don't ever recall the Journal saying anything of that sort, I think you have just made an assumption with how long after the CW's the Clones continued serving.
@@the_corvid97 Since the 501st had clones on Hoth, and seeing as Republic Commando/Legacy of the Force both talk about curing it, I made the assumption.
@@wolfie8366 Refer to my other reply in this thread.
They might be older but they are still good soldiers
Great Video. I would think that most debts from the Republic carried over to the Empire as the successor goverment, as it occurs on Earth, to do otherwise risks a massive financial crisis, but the Empire with its unchallenged power could make a few exceptions.