Wage debate aside. I haven't gone to a Tim's in years as the quality of the beverages and food slowly dropped while the prices went up. At a certain point somethings gotta give... Except for the name that company hasn't been Canadian for a long time. I still roll my eyes when people claim it to be the same old Canadian staple...no its changed and so have I.
You are correct Rukusu. With Burger King buying Tim Hortons, they changed their coffee supplier, which changed their beverage quality. Additionally, when the supplier was up for grabs, McDonald's decided to work with them (ie. McDonald's current coffee supplier is Tim Hortons' former coffee supplier).
The coffee is nothing like it used to be. It's diluted, the flavour is different, more artificial. Sometimes get a metalic taste in my mouth. Black coffee tastes like hot water. Takes a xl to feel any sort of caffeine. Getting my coffee at co op gas station, lots of bean selection, it's real coffee.
Cynthia Douglas Yes that's it. Has nothing to do with fact that almost any 1 of 7 billion ppl on this planet can perform that labour. Shit get a free library card
And as a working with little to no skill, you can look that capitalist pig right in the face and say "pay me more". If you're not getting paid what you believe your worth, you're either incredibly self-entitled OR you should ask for more -it's that simple.
Nestle isn't a franchise restaurant that directly depends on daily spending. The own MANY brands, so many in fact that most Nestle products aren't labled as such unless you look really hard. They own everything from candy, to baby formula, to dog food. The biggest cosmetics company in the world is L'Oreal and did you know that the world's largest food company, Nestle is its main shareholder? You would need more than a Canadian (30m ppl) boycott to do anything to effect their sales.
Well sure water is a human right but you can’t demand it in a bottle form that has been purified and filtered everywhere you go that becomes a commodity
I see some people don't actually know what OP was referencing.... the purchase of water rights and subsequent denial of access to clean water for the locals in areas which are impoverished.
welp, the line-up at just one of the seven tims in my town of 150k was still 10 deep this afternoon...clearly consumers don't care about anything but consumption
I haven't gone to a Tim Hortons since they took away employee breaks and benefits. It's a matter of principle, when your brand wears Canada on its sleeve as a marketing tool, you HAVE to treat employees properly. Throwing a pissy little hissy fit when the minimum wage inches closer to the standard of living, at the expense of your billion dollar bottom line? Nah du, I'll take my money elsewhere.
Skkorm If everyone boycotts same as you and they close that location, does that help or hurt the employee in your mind? Is it good because the mean greedy owner has to move franchise locations or is it bad because that local employee has now become unemployed?
You really believe that? Tim's was allowing for paid breaks, and giving more break time that labor laws require. This is the first time I've ever heard of a minimum wage job paying for breaks, because they don't in retail. Hell I don't even have a minimum wage jobs and my break time is deducted. Plus Tim's also allows their employees to receive tips, some employees in busy areas can make up to $40 a day in tips alone. Mcdonald's does not allow their employees to get tips. Tim's is just falling in line with Labor standards, all this is is a bunch of employees crying because their silver spoon was taken way. Most customer service jobs don't give the benefits Tim's was.
Ron Joyce, Jr. was the manager/owner of a Tim Hortons I worked at back in high school (mid 90s). It was in Oakville on Iroquois Shore Rd. He was lazy, verbally abusive, cut corners wherever he could, and a downright jerk. I see things haven't changed much in 20 years.
The issue is far greater than the location owner. Problem is there are simply too many locations. Each location doesn't make that much but overall the company rakes in the dough. There is no way to fix other than government intervention, which I don't support or letting the market dictate. If you don't support the decision stop spending your money there. The company will adapt or die
Actually I am quite the opposite. Maybe I didnt write it properly but I believe government intervention is not the answer to the current woes of workers. But not enough people are libertarian so the best you can do is adapt to the changes that the government make and vote different next time or talk to the policy makers and hope they listen.
Individual locations don't make that much money?? Dude, they make so much money that you can have a Tim Horton's across the street from a Tim Horton's, and they'll both be lined up out of the lot and obstructing traffic. A Tim's franchise is a license to print money.
You failed to mention that before the wage hike, most employees at the 2 locations were making FAR more than minimum wage. They received bonus benefits with that large wage too (paid day off for their birthday, paid day off every 6 months if they showed up for every shift, 100% drug plan and dental). Removing their paid breaks and these bonus benefits is still within board and they are still providing more breaks than required by the Employment Standards Act of 2000; they are well within their rights as employers to do so.
The biggest problem was when they moved from corporate stores which had these standards to all franchise stores who didn't have to follow these things. Corporate stores had to follow the same rules as they do at headquarters. My cousin used to work there and he was doing well with all these benefits, pension, retirement planning etc. But little by little they started getting rid of the corporate stores and moved to a more franchise operation so they didn't have to pay these salaries or benefits. Tim Hortons, before, used to be considered one of Canada's best employers. Not so much anymore.
Great points, but that dosent fit Rick's narrative. He disarms our left brain with humour to bring our emotions online, then feeds us the Propaganda. He is State sponsored.
I've never understood the love and loyalty many Canadians have for Tim Hortons, the food and beverages they offer range from mediocre to awful. Interiors are depressing. Now a slap in the face to their employees. I see the empire slowly shrinking, first the international locations will fold then some Canadian ones. God willing.
Tim Hortons lost me when they closed their store bakeries down and ruined their donuts. I never was a fan of their coffee. I do remember when they were a good Canadian change of stores. Back in '87 when I was pregnant and had cravings for whip cream, my local Tim Hortons would slice open and fill any doughnut I wanted with whip cream. Any time of the night or day.
Tim Horton's and others like McDonalds are actually in the real estate business. Its like farming, only they work that land in their respective service. When no longer profitable sell! Location, location, location. The missing part to the minimum wage story is the subsidies deal that has been penned with this company in regards to new arrivals. People are not following the money far enough.
VEE thats because a few years ago Tims changed their coffee and McDonald's went with their old brand. So what your drinking at McD's is the original Tims coffee
No they dont.Dont forget that it was Tim Hortons that offered to pay these things to employees.Not to mention if they had of been giving proper raises over the years than all of this wouldnt have such an impact all at once.
We need to remember though - this is one franchise owner (maybe a few more in Ontario, reacting to the increase in minimum wage), but not all. Franchise owners make their own decisions. Boycotting a Timmies in AB or BC does NOT send a message to the owners in Colburg ON!! It only hurts your local business owner.
Merry Franz great point. Too bad the Maxist dogma disseminated throughout society for the last 20years make ppl incapable of seeing individuals when identity group politics reign.
Who gives a fuck if boycotting in BC doesn't hurt the Ontario stores....If enough Tim's start losing business, the parent company will have to act....Boycott Across Canada.!!!
Once Wendy's bought it out, and had the donuts premade in ontario, instead of being freshly baked (like the good old days), only to be 'prepared' in a microwave by their 'baking staff', to save money...that was basically the start of the penny pinching. Maybe it was Tim Hortons aka Burger king now, that abolished the penny after all.
They've been terrible for a long time now, the food is disgusting, I simply cannot eat it without feeling ill. I'm genuinely baffled why it's still so popular.
Tim Hortons sucks. Ever since they switched to their new roaster to save money their coffee has gone downhill. Well, that and when they merged with Burger Thing they literally laid off 1/3 of their corporate staff and expected them all the work 1/3 harder for no more money. Their donuts are all made in a factory in Guleph, frozen and then proofed in the store. Nothing is made fresh. Everything is pre-packaged and pre-made. It's just not good anymore. So when I visit Canada and I want a quick coffee to go, I go to McDonald's. They scooped up Tim's old roaster and in a blind taste test, their coffee won. And stuff like this just means you will never see me in a Tim's ever again.
Just had the last straw with Tims this morning. Always get my order wrong. Always burning my hashbrown and now they treat their employees like shit. This isn't Canadian.
RainAngel111 So your logic is employees making mistakes isn't Cdn. I'm sure your not this oblivious to the realities of life. Some ppl aren't all that component.
This is so misinformed it's ludicrous, the staff were previously given paid breaks which were a privilege, not a right. They also got absurd amounts of benefits for what is bottom rung work that could be replaced by automation within literal years. A sudden 20% increase in a large part of your operating expense can't be passed off normally by any business owners, the workers should be glad they didn't get more work while their colleagues got laid off. The Tim Hortons brand has been slowly dying off, though this is not even remotely related to why the brand has been declining. The quality of goods has decreased to accommodate for inflation while the prices increased minimally, leading to something completely different from Tim Hortons 10-15 years ago.
Replaced by automation? Seriously? How? Coin inserted/press the button/double-double in the middle of a raging snowstorm drive thru in Northern NB? Hope I'm around to see that...just for shits n giggles.
Good points. McD's and Wal-Mart are both looking into cutting staff. Timbos, the same. You can live on minimum wage. I have. And I own a house. But you have to know how to manage. And mostly these jobs are not meant for long-term living. This is, in Ontario, at least, a ploy by Wynne and the Liberals. There were other things they could have done, but....
Don't quote me as I can't be bothered to read the original facebook comment by the whiny workers atm, but I believe they got some health insurance as well as retirement benefits. This is completely crazy in the context of a min-wage skill level job.
Just google FANUC to look into the speed of development of automation for the manufacturing process, there hasn't been any incentive to automate min wage jobs until now, with unsustainable policy forcing artificial min wages. When you force companies like mcdonalds or in this case, tims, to adapt, they will. In the future, there'll be at most 1 or 2 people in a tim hortons to make sure everything is running, I can see the kiosks replacing most of the cashier work and meal prep being automated.
They've lost my $15 a day. Since early December I've been patronizing another coffee provider, one that gives away their coffee for 4 months of the year, every eighth one is free, they give senior discounts, never screw up my coffee and they have carrot muffins, which Tim's never did have. Yep, best decision ever was to never give time hortons any of my hard earned money ever again. $5400.00 a year in lost sales from just one customer! 😂
Here here!! Well put Rick!!We’ve actually stopped going to Tim’s!! I’m sickened by this ! Outraged actually! It is hard enough to get by in this day and age especially making minimum wage, but to make it even more difficult?! Are you kidding me!!? These rich, elitist make me sick! When is enough money enough? I mean while we bust our assess making money for you while we make peanuts in wages, you won’t pay our breaks now?!!!!!!! Seriously?!!! All we want is to get a fair wage for an honest day’s work!! I mean what’s next?!, slave labour?!, perhaps it will harken to the time of factory workers being paid 10 or 20 dollars a DAY?!!!!
My best friend works at Tim's and she was so baffled when the Coburg story hit the news. She told me she hasn't been getting paid breaks since last October. She's a shift manager, worked there full time for two years now. Still makes minimum wage. And don't even talk about the shit benefits she gets.
I actually heard from a retailer the other day that sells K-cups, she told me that she was unable to get McCafe coffee cups. I told her I preferred them better than Tim's coffee, she informed me that Tim's now purchases a new bean and that McDonalds now actually uses their old bean. Not sure if this is true but McDonalds coffee is so much better than Tim's. Watch out Tim's, if you continue your reckless way it may be costly.
Errrr, no. Billions in profits. Owners hoarding wealth. Let me guess, you want others to work in poverty, but you wouldn't want to do so yourself? And before you give some blah blah explanation or excuse, keep in mind that the majority of new jobs in Canada are minimum wage or close to it and many, many good paying jobs are disappearing all across Canada. Yours might be next.
I had lunch once and only once at a Tim Horton... never again. The only sure thing about that brand is that their cups are literally littering the whole environment. It reveals something about the type of costumers they attract...
Great job Rick! Glad you did a rant on this ridiculous screw-up on Tim Hortons part. I haven’t been to a Tim’s since the new year. I hope they do the right thing soon… starting to enjoy Starbucks coffee.
Money does not come from nowhere, the video keeps mentioning the son of the the franchise owner, but they are not representitive of local Tim Hortons franchisees who had to dump a LOT of time and capital to even start the business and after 3-5 years of hardwork, maybe making $150-200k NET INCOME. Now, let's take the minimum wage hike from $11.40 -> $14 -> $15 next year, that's an increase of $3.40 per employee per hour. Let's say on average, you open from 6am to 10pm (16 hours) and need 5 people at any given time to operate, that's a $3.40 x 5 x 16 x 365 = $99,280 more annually. It's just simple math, who in their right minds would ever open one in the first place?? All that initial cost, time, effort, and risk just to make $50-100k 5 years later??
Way to go! I agree 100% and I don't even go to Tim Hortons. They'd better watch out because everyone's watching and that sentiment for their stores, products, and experiences wears real thin when it comes to the Canadian values we've been forced to defend more than ever: fair wages, treatment, and _political equality_ meaning we need to give each other a chance, not treat each other like dirt because our rights have been better established _by law_ Tim Hortons should be ashamed, and the rights of _franchisees_ should be determined based on how they honour or dishonour the Tim Hortons brand. Employee rights should _not_ vary from location to location unless the _government_ says so, so that _Canadians_ can take responsibility as members of their democracy, not have to fight their employers for the benefits they were given upon hire!
When a company has to suddenly pay out so much more for hourly wages using the current product price set, it equates to financial losses. I get it. So they either have to cut staff or increase prices to make up for the wage increase. Either way it will affect business. Some companies are moving towards a fully automated product: you know....like the sandwich and coffee machines at the hospital.....yum.
I worked at tim hortans and they fired me for 'not being able to do my job' because I was 8 months pregnant (I had employee of the month 2 times so its not like I was bad at my job) They worked me after midnight without pay to close shop using you should have been done sooner as an excuse and honestly the standards of food is cringe worthy (we used sugar with maggots in it). I have not spent a cent since working there I hate the company as I did complain several times with nothing coming from it.
Theres a Tim Hortons on every street corner and in a pinch people are going to give up any form of a boycott regardless, no amount of outrage is going to affect Tims unfortunately, I think its widely accepted that McDonalds coffee is better, but there are far fewer McDonalds in Canada, I feel like the only way to really even make Tim Hortons worry even a little bit is for McDonalds to start putting up coffee shops everywhere, and then I think long term we're going to have a McDonalds problem, I don't think the Tim Hortons problem can or will be fixed, but I think Canada is losing its embrace on the brand and we're no longer considering it to be a Canadian institution.
Tim Horton's is #4 on the list of coffee favorites in Canada. Even starbucks at 5 bucks a coffee beat them, you must be sleeping to not realize Tim's is becoming irrelevant.
If you give consumers the choice between paying employees less or paying 5 cents more per cup, which one do you think they'll choose? The question is already answered. There's a reason we're not surrounded by $20/hr earning baristas. The coffee would be more expensive and a rival chain with a similar product would eat the market share.
consider this folks ... if the government passed a law that increased your mortgage/rent payment wouldnt you try to find a way to compensate for the extra cost???
Many years ago, when I worked minimum wage jobs and other jobs, and at NONE OF THEM, did I get paid breaks. I agree with giving staff paid breaks but I never had them.
Most employers handed out notice well before the increases in price were handed out. And paid breaks have been slowly been taken away from employees at store levels for years now. It was a 6 buck gain per employee since every other company typically doesn't pay for lunch breaks. This has been blown out of the water and only half looked into. Not by news outlets but by the people. Employers have to guve their staff notice of these changes 3 months minimum in advance. But this only became an issue jan 1st. Anyone elae see the issue here?
Mercer is out to lunch on this one. Most hourly workers don't get paid lunch breaks. Businesses can't absorb this type of wage increase without cutting costs somewhere. It's a very competitive business and raising prices drastically will cost them market share resulting in a loss of jobs.
Man Tim Hortons use to be so good. Now it’s just a place with bad service, bland food, and it just feels like there isn’t much love put into this place anymore.
God forbid a business cease to provide a benefit when a minimum wage increase is implemented that provides the exact same dollar value to the employee as that benefit.
Yeah, I can see people giving up Tim's because they "care" about the workers. You can see people being treated like shit by customers and owner alike. No one cares about the plight of minimum wage workers except minimum wage workers and people trying to make money off them.
That's not true at all...there's plenty of well paid people (like myself) advocating for higher min wage. History has shown time and again, when the income gap gets too big, society crumbles. Check out the French and Russian revolutions...the income gap was PRECISELY why they happened.
DeathToTheDictators yes, but artificially raising the value of labour lowers demand, increasing demand for automation at the same time raise prices as we see with daycare that ultimately devalues those higher than min eage earners value of their labour. This gov. Interference isn't the answer to what ails us my friend. Ps just saw a autoteller at shoppers
+Red Pill Life " artificially raising" - we're not 'artificially' raising anything, the RETAIL value of the work these workers produce is worth FAR more than what they're actually getting paid (and we're merely correcting this unfairness). "Interference isn't the answer to what ails us my friend' - actually it IS...we saw the same thing for the first several decades at the outset of industrialization and early capitalism (where machinery and technology took the work of humans, and we had a big surplus of labor...ultimately they installed govt legislation that regulated worker's pay and hours, to address said labor surplus, and we ultimately saw the vast middle class we see today immerge THANKS to said regulations). "Ps just saw a autoteller at shoppers" - sure, and you're going to see plenty more...all this means is the 'shrinking of the work week' (we saw it back in the 1800s, were the work week went form 50-60 to only 40) thanks to automation...we'll likely see the work week shrink from the common '40 hours' to 30 or 20 nowadays, as well).
a 9 hour shift is entitled to a 1 hour lunch by labour regulations, this means employees are only paid for 8 hours. in a 9 hour shift. If he's paying them 8 hrs and 20 min, that would equate to more money for his workers. Unless they are not given a full 1 hr lunch, in which case there's more to argue about.
so the ceo of PepsiCo makes $29.8 million a year.. most PepsiCo employees are part time/casual with no benefits and poor pay.. these are the companies that should be looked at.. I feel bad for the small ma and pa restaurant and corner store that now have to struggle even harder to make a living..with the high minimum wage Ontario just hammered everyone with.. and what about all those people that had to pay for their education just to make $15/hour.. how will they get a 20% increase in pay
I mean we, as consumers, are more than willing to pay more for our product so that those working the labor to give it to us can be paid more... or are we?
Thanks Rick! The way Tim Horton's is far worse than the minimum wage issues: they've brought in foreign workers, and stack them up 6-per room and take that off their pay! Mind you, it is a franchise, but their head office could renegotiate all contracts regarding human rights in the work place.
I heard of managers doing that out in Western Canada. My daughter and a granddaughter have both worked for Tim Hortons. My daughter could tell you things that make you wonder how people even buy from their.
Tim Hortons is always open. Their employees work shifts including overnight, on weekends, through the holidays etc. every day of the year but Christmas. They deal with customers who are always rushed and often rude. They are on their feet all day long and for the lowest possible wage legally possible. Plus, they don't earn a second income from tips like wait staff or bartenders. And whether you think the work is "brain surgery" or not, after their long busy tiring shifts, they still need to pay their bills and feed their families. I suggest everyone take some of the responsibility. Rather than raising the minimum wage quite so much, why can't the government reduce income tax for low wage earners. For their part, Tim Hortons head office and the stores could split the cost of a smaller raise with the stores. And they can raise the price a bit on those fancy coffees to make up the difference. In the end, you'll know that the smiling face who prepares your favourite beverage is being treated more fairly.
TDL needs to stop bouncing the cost of pay raises down at customers and employees, and let them have the intended effect of taking a sliver of the shareholders' pie and letting the plebs share it. Shareholder interests and deferred responsibility is the problem here.
I opted to go to mcdonalds for a breakfast sandwich yesterday. Their sandwich was actually good and had what seemed like a real egg compared to the sponge thing at Tim Horton’s. Not going back to Tims. You stopped being Canadian a long time ago.
Getting paid breaks is a bonus not something you deserve. You work you get paid. You're not working on your break so you don't get paid. Used to work at Staples and I never got paid breaks.
Doesn’t the Ontario labour laws require employee to give a 30 minute paid lunch for every 5 hour shift and a 15 minute break for every 4 hours? It’s been a while since I’ve worked in Ontario, so when did this stop being a law?
A 30 minute "lunch break" is required for every 5 hours of work. It is up to the employer to determine whether or not the 30 minutes is paid or not. It is also up to the employer to allow "coffee breaks"; these breaks are not enforceable by the ESA 2000. www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/00e41 Section 20-21
A 30 minute lunch is required by law if you work more than 5 hours and a 15 minute break is required by law if you work three hours. It's up to the company however if they pay you for that and a lot of them don't pay you unless they want to. These breaks are however not stackable meaning if you work an 8 hour shift you are entitled to a lunch break but they're under no obligation to give you a fifteen minute coffee break. A lot of places treat it like, get a cup of coffee, have it at your desk and we don't bug you for five minutes or so but that's up to them.
+Bobby Daniel They can be paid if your employer wants to pay them. Before they used to have to, now most of them don't. Why would you pay somebody if you didn't need to. If you're salaried of course that makes no difference.
McDonslds and Starbucks are good. Bridgehead in Ottawa can serve you a great tasting cup of fair trade coffee. There's locations on Bank and a new one on Rideau
I don't understand the fuss over this. I have worked in minimum wage jobs before, not at Tim Horton's and breaks weren't paid for. The only egregious story, not the at the locations targeted by premier was a location in SW Ontario that stopped offering employees a free drink on their shift or something to that effect. I think this is simply a matter of semantics. If Wynne truly believed in workers being paid for breaks she would've amended provincial labour laws. It's obvious that she's making a shallow attempt to shore up whatever little support she has for the upcoming election. Liberals playing oppourtunistic/populist politics; what else is new.
Average "Timmys" franchise owner grosses 4-4.5% per location. Average store (full size restaurant) nets on average $1.5M annually in sales. Thats $67k and change based on $11.60/hr minimum wage. Now you've decreased the bottom line by approximately $200-245k per location to the franchisee @ 14/hr plus other BILL148 measures ($3.35/hr per employee) based on average employment of 35 employees' per store. Tell me, what business do you know that can soak up an extra $200+k annually and not be expected to cut costs in any way they can?? This has nothing to do with "billionaires" or founders of a now foreign owned company. This is the exact same for McDonalds, Wendy's or any other large business with minimum wage dependent labour force. No franchisee has much power. McDonalds franchieese are allowed to set their own prices on the menu, allowing them to adjust costs/labour/pricing to help ease the pain, but MCD's is one of the few large franchises you can set your own prices at. Franchisee's are working to earn a living just like everyone else. Only difference is we didn't have to put up $1-2M in debt, risk and worries to work everyday. Wynne is crippling Ontario, and Rick should be ashamed for supporting her.
The last time we went to Tim Hortons my brother got cold coffee and a small chilli when he asked for a large and my wrap was smothered in sauce. My mom said the workers are not the problem, it is the new owners. I think the new owners will make the company suffer because they want big profit. The old owners were probably in talks with the new owners for a long time in my opinion. So I think Tim Hortons has been going downhill for a while. It is too bad, I remember when getting a hot chocolate as a kid to watch hockey at the local rink was special. Now I would rather support a local cafe which has people who want to work there.
That's totally wrong. They merged under a Brazillian hedge fund called 3G which is now the owner of both properties and has their North American headquarters in Oakville. Tim Hortons is a completely separate business entity than Burger King. Burger King's corporate headquarters is still in Miami and Tim Horton's corporate headquarters is still in Oakville. Trust me. I had a cousin who worked for them and was let go during the merger.
Tell me Rodd, why do you kids talk before thinking so much now? "You forgot to mention".....What? He forgot to mention what? Some made up bullshit?? No he did fine. Next time keep the brain farts to yourself Jr.
I went to Tim Horton's in Thunder Bay Ontario at County Fair , ordered an egg sandwich and got sick from it. Tim Horton's is a ripoff and their food sucks .
Tim Hortons has gotten worse since you did this rant. Tim hortons head office also retaliated against franchise owners when they try and stick up for their rights. Many franchise owners allow customers to verbally abuse staff, sometimes customers throw hot coffee or food at staff. If they work a nine hour shift they still only get paid 8.5 hours or less. They will book students for 3pm or 3:30 even though they know they are at school and write them up as late for their shifts. Some Tim Hortons managers take the tips and before splitting it with staff have taken money out for Christmas gifts for the owners. Tim Hortons is not a good Canadian company anymore and has not been in two decades. I hate their coffee anyway.
Last time I checked, people who work an 8 hour day only get paid for 7.5. So Tim Hortons in the past was "over compensating" their employees. Now they are following the law.... Not that I drink their swill, but you cannot blame them, as small business owners, to cover their bottom line..... even if it is a fruitful bottom line.
Wage debate aside. I haven't gone to a Tim's in years as the quality of the beverages and food slowly dropped while the prices went up. At a certain point somethings gotta give... Except for the name that company hasn't been Canadian for a long time. I still roll my eyes when people claim it to be the same old Canadian staple...no its changed and so have I.
You are correct Rukusu. With Burger King buying Tim Hortons, they changed their coffee supplier, which changed their beverage quality. Additionally, when the supplier was up for grabs, McDonald's decided to work with them (ie. McDonald's current coffee supplier is Tim Hortons' former coffee supplier).
it all makes sense now
The coffee is nothing like it used to be. It's diluted, the flavour is different, more artificial. Sometimes get a metalic taste in my mouth. Black coffee tastes like hot water. Takes a xl to feel any sort of caffeine.
Getting my coffee at co op gas station, lots of bean selection, it's real coffee.
I have never understood how Tim Hortons is popular. Their doughnuts are not even good.
neolithic3 same. Cheap reheated crap
Minimum wage is saying..."We would pay you less if we could legally get away with it"
Cynthia Douglas Yes that's it. Has nothing to do with fact that almost any 1 of 7 billion ppl on this planet can perform that labour. Shit get a free library card
Nothing to do with the fact that I requires zero skill to work at Tim Hortons.
And as a working with little to no skill, you can look that capitalist pig right in the face and say "pay me more". If you're not getting paid what you believe your worth, you're either incredibly self-entitled OR you should ask for more -it's that simple.
lee lmao if it was so easy to be the owner of a large company like Tim Hortons or making millions by investing why aren't you doing it?
F lee is such a fucking idiot.
I wont be surprised if Tim Hortons goes the way of future shop in 15 years
buy up the competition and re-brand?
They're already owned by Burger King... I know way too many people who are siding with franchise owners and its absolutely ridiculous
you mean get bought up by the competition and be rebranded
I would kill myself
Tim Horton's is a national history thing so it's not going anywhere
doubtful...remember when Nestle said water wasn't a human right?
I'm still seein' a lot of Nestle products on the shelves...
Nestle isn't a franchise restaurant that directly depends on daily spending. The own MANY brands, so many in fact that most Nestle products aren't labled as such unless you look really hard. They own everything from candy, to baby formula, to dog food. The biggest cosmetics company in the world is L'Oreal and did you know that the world's largest food company, Nestle is its main shareholder?
You would need more than a Canadian (30m ppl) boycott to do anything to effect their sales.
Well sure water is a human right but you can’t demand it in a bottle form that has been purified and filtered everywhere you go that becomes a commodity
I see some people don't actually know what OP was referencing.... the purchase of water rights and subsequent denial of access to clean water for the locals in areas which are impoverished.
welp, the line-up at just one of the seven tims in my town of 150k was still 10 deep this afternoon...clearly consumers don't care about anything but consumption
David Ramirez I think the problem becomes, our limited supply of fresh water.
What good is a human right if there's none left.
Come on.. how the hell do you expect them to give themselves a year end bonus if they go around paying the help what it's worth?
I haven't gone to a Tim Hortons since they took away employee breaks and benefits. It's a matter of principle, when your brand wears Canada on its sleeve as a marketing tool, you HAVE to treat employees properly. Throwing a pissy little hissy fit when the minimum wage inches closer to the standard of living, at the expense of your billion dollar bottom line? Nah du, I'll take my money elsewhere.
Skkorm If everyone boycotts same as you and they close that location, does that help or hurt the employee in your mind? Is it good because the mean greedy owner has to move franchise locations or is it bad because that local employee has now become unemployed?
Let me guess, you are an aspiring entrepreneur with hopes of employing 1000s of Cdns.
Same, I'm staying far away
Dave Weedman yes its true there are downsides, but all for the sake of justice imo 😏✊
our tims took nothing and gave older employees who have been there longer more money so don't blame all for a few ppl mistakes
I'm tired of being disappointed, I stopped going about three years ago...
David J. Kleinsasser your only real vote. That of your dollars.
Mcdonald's will gladly pick up Tim Horton's lost business.
HayesHacker0NE from what I've heard, when TH switched coffee supplier, McDonald started to use TH's old supplier. Hence the good coffee at MD.
Yeah I bet your bacon eating fat ass would live that mcshit
Mcdonald's isn't treating their employees like crap publicly , they are smarter than Tim Horton's. Tim's has lost my business for now.
You really believe that? Tim's was allowing for paid breaks, and giving more break time that labor laws require. This is the first time I've ever heard of a minimum wage job paying for breaks, because they don't in retail. Hell I don't even have a minimum wage jobs and my break time is deducted. Plus Tim's also allows their employees to receive tips, some employees in busy areas can make up to $40 a day in tips alone. Mcdonald's does not allow their employees to get tips. Tim's is just falling in line with Labor standards, all this is is a bunch of employees crying because their silver spoon was taken way. Most customer service jobs don't give the benefits Tim's was.
Ron Joyce, Jr. was the manager/owner of a Tim Hortons I worked at back in high school (mid 90s). It was in Oakville on Iroquois Shore Rd. He was lazy, verbally abusive, cut corners wherever he could, and a downright jerk. I see things haven't changed much in 20 years.
The issue is far greater than the location owner. Problem is there are simply too many locations. Each location doesn't make that much but overall the company rakes in the dough. There is no way to fix other than government intervention, which I don't support or letting the market dictate. If you don't support the decision stop spending your money there. The company will adapt or die
iloveyouamberappel government intervention when it comes to Cdns making business choices with their own $. You my friend are an Authoritarian.
Actually I am quite the opposite. Maybe I didnt write it properly but I believe government intervention is not the answer to the current woes of workers. But not enough people are libertarian so the best you can do is adapt to the changes that the government make and vote different next time or talk to the policy makers and hope they listen.
100%.F. To stay open you have to make more money by increasing cost or decrease cost by offering different options or effecting staffing.
Individual locations don't make that much money?? Dude, they make so much money that you can have a Tim Horton's across the street from a Tim Horton's, and they'll both be lined up out of the lot and obstructing traffic. A Tim's franchise is a license to print money.
tim clarke well then you should open a location
You failed to mention that before the wage hike, most employees at the 2 locations were making FAR more than minimum wage. They received bonus benefits with that large wage too (paid day off for their birthday, paid day off every 6 months if they showed up for every shift, 100% drug plan and dental). Removing their paid breaks and these bonus benefits is still within board and they are still providing more breaks than required by the Employment Standards Act of 2000; they are well within their rights as employers to do so.
The biggest problem was when they moved from corporate stores which had these standards to all franchise stores who didn't have to follow these things. Corporate stores had to follow the same rules as they do at headquarters. My cousin used to work there and he was doing well with all these benefits, pension, retirement planning etc. But little by little they started getting rid of the corporate stores and moved to a more franchise operation so they didn't have to pay these salaries or benefits.
Tim Hortons, before, used to be considered one of Canada's best employers. Not so much anymore.
7BMan777 well said
Hello Mr. Part of the problem. I BET you are finacially comfortable.
Great points, but that dosent fit Rick's narrative. He disarms our left brain with humour to bring our emotions online, then feeds us the Propaganda. He is State sponsored.
Nicole St. LouisIf so, I Bet he worked hard and was rewarded. Try it, you can succeed too.
I've never understood the love and loyalty many Canadians have for Tim Hortons, the food and beverages they offer range from mediocre to awful. Interiors are depressing. Now a slap in the face to their employees. I see the empire slowly shrinking, first the international locations will fold then some Canadian ones. God willing.
Vast majority? 😂 please you mean everybody who HASN’T worked there.
Tim Hortons lost me when they closed their store bakeries down and ruined their donuts. I never was a fan of their coffee. I do remember when they were a good Canadian change of stores. Back in '87 when I was pregnant and had cravings for whip cream, my local Tim Hortons would slice open and fill any doughnut I wanted with whip cream. Any time of the night or day.
Tim Horton's and others like McDonalds are actually in the real estate business. Its like farming, only they work that land in their respective service. When no longer profitable sell! Location, location, location. The missing part to the minimum wage story is the subsidies deal that has been penned with this company in regards to new arrivals. People are not following the money far enough.
I'm just gonna say it.... MCDONALDS COFFEE IS BETTER THAN TIM HORTONS!
VEE Honestly nobody cares about your opinion dumbass
VEE thats because a few years ago Tims changed their coffee and McDonald's went with their old brand. So what your drinking at McD's is the original Tims coffee
Both McDs and Tims coffee sucks. Starbucks is just candy for people with no self respect.
Yurr Whatchamacallit stfu little 9 year old Timmys is the best
no name But it is true nobody cares about her stupid ass opinion
So they don't get paid lunch breaks anymore?
I never get paid lunches.
Ned the muscle man flanders chill, not everyone can live like us
I've worked two minimum wage jobs and never got paid lunch.
No they dont.Dont forget that it was Tim Hortons that offered to pay these things to employees.Not to mention if they had of been giving proper raises over the years than all of this wouldnt have such an impact all at once.
Where are these "better jobs"? Please reply.
A Canadian deplorable! :(
Love Rick and love this rant! Right on, Rick!!
Amen Rick, thank you for this!
Well...it took a pandemic to do it, but some Tim Hortons are now partially closed due to staff shortages. I wonder how junior's 2 stores are doing?
We need to remember though - this is one franchise owner (maybe a few more in Ontario, reacting to the increase in minimum wage), but not all. Franchise owners make their own decisions. Boycotting a Timmies in AB or BC does NOT send a message to the owners in Colburg ON!! It only hurts your local business owner.
Merry Franz great point. Too bad the Maxist dogma disseminated throughout society for the last 20years make ppl incapable of seeing individuals when identity group politics reign.
Another fucking schill. Fuck you.
Chicken Death stunning argument. Debate champ?
Who gives a fuck if boycotting in BC doesn't hurt the Ontario stores....If enough Tim's start losing business, the parent company will have to act....Boycott Across Canada.!!!
Dusty that'll help those workers. Logic much?
Man, the man is nON STOP-
Once Wendy's bought it out, and had the donuts premade in ontario, instead of being freshly baked (like the good old days), only to be 'prepared' in a microwave by their 'baking staff', to save money...that was basically the start of the penny pinching. Maybe it was Tim Hortons aka Burger king now, that abolished the penny after all.
They've been terrible for a long time now, the food is disgusting, I simply cannot eat it without feeling ill. I'm genuinely baffled why it's still so popular.
GadgetAndKite I think it's just a Canadian thing lol I'm sooo tired of their food too 😊
In BC no one who makes an hourly wage gets paid for their lunch break.
L. R. McKenzie makes sense. Their not working at the time.
you get 2 payed 15 min breaks that they can take away at anytime in an 8+ hour shift. In a 5-7 hour shift its 1 15min break less than 5 hours none.
GM May I know. I was talking about the lunch break.
Tim Hortons sucks. Ever since they switched to their new roaster to save money their coffee has gone downhill. Well, that and when they merged with Burger Thing they literally laid off 1/3 of their corporate staff and expected them all the work 1/3 harder for no more money.
Their donuts are all made in a factory in Guleph, frozen and then proofed in the store. Nothing is made fresh. Everything is pre-packaged and pre-made. It's just not good anymore. So when I visit Canada and I want a quick coffee to go, I go to McDonald's. They scooped up Tim's old roaster and in a blind taste test, their coffee won. And stuff like this just means you will never see me in a Tim's ever again.
Fuzzyscarfandmittens This
Didn't know that!
Fuzzyscarfandmittens thanks bro. Unaware of the frozen shit.
Fuzzyscarfandmittens they didn't just switch their roaster, they switched the beans. McDonald's uses their old beans.
Its actually scary how accurate this post actually is.
Just had the last straw with Tims this morning. Always get my order wrong. Always burning my hashbrown and now they treat their employees like shit. This isn't Canadian.
RainAngel111 So your logic is employees making mistakes isn't Cdn. I'm sure your not this oblivious to the realities of life. Some ppl aren't all that component.
Well I mean the employees they treat like shit are the ones messing up your order
Sam O You mean the 1s w a low level of education and drive to succeed? Any company that pays our bills isn't treating anybody like shit.
Curtis Blimkie I'm only using what she said. I'm not arguing whether they are treated like shit or not
Get fucked Curtis you're no Canadian.
This is so misinformed it's ludicrous, the staff were previously given paid breaks which were a privilege, not a right. They also got absurd amounts of benefits for what is bottom rung work that could be replaced by automation within literal years. A sudden 20% increase in a large part of your operating expense can't be passed off normally by any business owners, the workers should be glad they didn't get more work while their colleagues got laid off. The Tim Hortons brand has been slowly dying off, though this is not even remotely related to why the brand has been declining. The quality of goods has decreased to accommodate for inflation while the prices increased minimally, leading to something completely different from Tim Hortons 10-15 years ago.
SFhelper Absurd amounts of benefits? This I want to hear.
Replaced by automation? Seriously? How? Coin inserted/press the button/double-double in the middle of a raging snowstorm drive thru in Northern NB? Hope I'm around to see that...just for shits n giggles.
Good points. McD's and Wal-Mart are both looking into cutting staff. Timbos, the same.
You can live on minimum wage. I have. And I own a house. But you have to know how to manage. And mostly these jobs are not meant for long-term living. This is, in Ontario, at least, a ploy by Wynne and the Liberals. There were other things they could have done, but....
Don't quote me as I can't be bothered to read the original facebook comment by the whiny workers atm, but I believe they got some health insurance as well as retirement benefits. This is completely crazy in the context of a min-wage skill level job.
Just google FANUC to look into the speed of development of automation for the manufacturing process, there hasn't been any incentive to automate min wage jobs until now, with unsustainable policy forcing artificial min wages. When you force companies like mcdonalds or in this case, tims, to adapt, they will. In the future, there'll be at most 1 or 2 people in a tim hortons to make sure everything is running, I can see the kiosks replacing most of the cashier work and meal prep being automated.
oooh that roast at the end
I stopped going to Tim Hortons after they fired me for basically standing up for myself.
I miss Rick!
They've lost my $15 a day. Since early December I've been patronizing another coffee provider, one that gives away their coffee for 4 months of the year, every eighth one is free, they give senior discounts, never screw up my coffee and they have carrot muffins, which Tim's never did have. Yep, best decision ever was to never give time hortons any of my hard earned money ever again. $5400.00 a year in lost sales from just one customer! 😂
Here here!! Well put Rick!!We’ve actually stopped going to Tim’s!! I’m sickened by this ! Outraged actually! It is hard enough to get by in this day and age especially making minimum wage, but to make it even more difficult?! Are you kidding me!!? These rich, elitist make me sick! When is enough money enough? I mean while we bust our assess making money for you while we make peanuts in wages, you won’t pay our breaks now?!!!!!!! Seriously?!!!
All we want is to get a fair wage for an honest day’s work!! I mean what’s next?!, slave labour?!, perhaps it will harken to the time of factory workers being paid 10 or 20 dollars a DAY?!!!!
My best friend works at Tim's and she was so baffled when the Coburg story hit the news. She told me she hasn't been getting paid breaks since last October. She's a shift manager, worked there full time for two years now. Still makes minimum wage. And don't even talk about the shit benefits she gets.
What benefits? My daughter had worked at one for years. No paid lunch or break and no benefits.
Why couldnt the camera stay level. Jeez
I actually heard from a retailer the other day that sells K-cups, she told me that she was unable to get McCafe coffee cups. I told her I preferred them better than Tim's coffee, she informed me that Tim's now purchases a new bean and that McDonalds now actually uses their old bean. Not sure if this is true but McDonalds coffee is so much better than Tim's. Watch out Tim's, if you continue your reckless way it may be costly.
I live down the street from the one on Burnham. They have signs up they are now closing at 11pm til 5am everynight. They used to stay open all night.
Well that sucks
Almost all large corporations are doing the same thing. See the problem?
Errrr, no. Billions in profits. Owners hoarding wealth. Let me guess, you want others to work in poverty, but you wouldn't want to do so yourself? And before you give some blah blah explanation or excuse, keep in mind that the majority of new jobs in Canada are minimum wage or close to it and many, many good paying jobs are disappearing all across Canada. Yours might be next.
I had lunch once and only once at a Tim Horton... never again. The only sure thing about that brand is that their cups are literally littering the whole environment. It reveals something about the type of costumers they attract...
Great job Rick! Glad you did a rant on this ridiculous screw-up on Tim Hortons part. I haven’t been to a Tim’s since the new year. I hope they do the right thing soon… starting to enjoy Starbucks coffee.
I’m with Tim Hortons on this. I mean wtf did people expect? Something had to give with minimum wage hike.
Money does not come from nowhere, the video keeps mentioning the son of the the franchise owner, but they are not representitive of local Tim Hortons franchisees who had to dump a LOT of time and capital to even start the business and after 3-5 years of hardwork, maybe making $150-200k NET INCOME.
Now, let's take the minimum wage hike from $11.40 -> $14 -> $15 next year, that's an increase of $3.40 per employee per hour. Let's say on average, you open from 6am to 10pm (16 hours) and need 5 people at any given time to operate, that's a $3.40 x 5 x 16 x 365 = $99,280 more annually. It's just simple math, who in their right minds would ever open one in the first place?? All that initial cost, time, effort, and risk just to make $50-100k 5 years later??
whynotlin Yes, someone who knows math and understands risk. Cheers Bro
Ned the muscle man flanders wow inciteful commentary to the discussion of economics. PHD?
Schillllllllillings
I love your show !!!
Way to go! I agree 100% and I don't even go to Tim Hortons. They'd better watch out because everyone's watching and that sentiment for their stores, products, and experiences wears real thin when it comes to the Canadian values we've been forced to defend more than ever: fair wages, treatment, and _political equality_ meaning we need to give each other a chance, not treat each other like dirt because our rights have been better established _by law_
Tim Hortons should be ashamed, and the rights of _franchisees_ should be determined based on how they honour or dishonour the Tim Hortons brand. Employee rights should _not_ vary from location to location unless the _government_ says so, so that _Canadians_ can take responsibility as members of their democracy, not have to fight their employers for the benefits they were given upon hire!
INCONCEIVABLE!!!!
When a company has to suddenly pay out so much more for hourly wages using the current product price set, it equates to financial losses. I get it. So they either have to cut staff or increase prices to make up for the wage increase. Either way it will affect business. Some companies are moving towards a fully automated product: you know....like the sandwich and coffee machines at the hospital.....yum.
Please stop the camera tilt
Rick says something, cameraman flips over
So when a balloon POPS do we blame it on the weakness of its design or the underlying Prick that caused it to burst in the first place?
I worked at tim hortans and they fired me for 'not being able to do my job' because I was 8 months pregnant (I had employee of the month 2 times so its not like I was bad at my job) They worked me after midnight without pay to close shop using you should have been done sooner as an excuse and honestly the standards of food is cringe worthy (we used sugar with maggots in it). I have not spent a cent since working there I hate the company as I did complain several times with nothing coming from it.
Theres a Tim Hortons on every street corner and in a pinch people are going to give up any form of a boycott regardless, no amount of outrage is going to affect Tims unfortunately, I think its widely accepted that McDonalds coffee is better, but there are far fewer McDonalds in Canada, I feel like the only way to really even make Tim Hortons worry even a little bit is for McDonalds to start putting up coffee shops everywhere, and then I think long term we're going to have a McDonalds problem, I don't think the Tim Hortons problem can or will be fixed, but I think Canada is losing its embrace on the brand and we're no longer considering it to be a Canadian institution.
Tim Horton's is #4 on the list of coffee favorites in Canada. Even starbucks at 5 bucks a coffee beat them, you must be sleeping to not realize Tim's is becoming irrelevant.
Wanna bet? I stopped going there when I heard about this. It was easy.
Matt McRedbeard Cdn institution. Damn get off the Socialist kool-aid. It's a private enterprise
Sabrina Sokal as a tim hortons employee... i agree with you 😅
Curtis Blimkie i think you misunderstood his point. He/she had a wrong choice of words...no need to get triggered 🤗
If you give consumers the choice between paying employees less or paying 5 cents more per cup, which one do you think they'll choose? The question is already answered. There's a reason we're not surrounded by $20/hr earning baristas. The coffee would be more expensive and a rival chain with a similar product would eat the market share.
The Grilled Cheese Panini used to be so good but now it’s all fucked with “artisan style” shit
consider this folks ... if the government passed a law that increased your mortgage/rent payment wouldnt you try to find a way to compensate for the extra cost???
Many years ago, when I worked minimum wage jobs and other jobs, and at NONE OF THEM, did I get paid breaks. I agree with giving staff paid breaks but I never had them.
Always fresh-ly heated Tim Hortons!
rick is my 13th reason
Most employers handed out notice well before the increases in price were handed out. And paid breaks have been slowly been taken away from employees at store levels for years now. It was a 6 buck gain per employee since every other company typically doesn't pay for lunch breaks.
This has been blown out of the water and only half looked into. Not by news outlets but by the people.
Employers have to guve their staff notice of these changes 3 months minimum in advance. But this only became an issue jan 1st. Anyone elae see the issue here?
Mercer is out to lunch on this one. Most hourly workers don't get paid lunch breaks. Businesses can't absorb this type of wage increase without cutting costs somewhere. It's a very competitive business and raising prices drastically will cost them market share resulting in a loss of jobs.
Man Tim Hortons use to be so good. Now it’s just a place with bad service, bland food, and it just feels like there isn’t much love put into this place anymore.
God forbid a business cease to provide a benefit when a minimum wage increase is implemented that provides the exact same dollar value to the employee as that benefit.
Yeah, I can see people giving up Tim's because they "care" about the workers. You can see people being treated like shit by customers and owner alike. No one cares about the plight of minimum wage workers except minimum wage workers and people trying to make money off them.
taibhsear71 They could start caring about themselves. Nobody's going to be your Mother.
That's not true at all...there's plenty of well paid people (like myself) advocating for higher min wage.
History has shown time and again, when the income gap gets too big, society crumbles. Check out the French and Russian revolutions...the income gap was PRECISELY why they happened.
DeathToTheDictators yes, but artificially raising the value of labour lowers demand, increasing demand for automation at the same time raise prices as we see with daycare that ultimately devalues those higher than min eage earners value of their labour. This gov. Interference isn't the answer to what ails us my friend. Ps just saw a autoteller at shoppers
+Red Pill Life " artificially raising" - we're not 'artificially' raising anything, the RETAIL value of the work these workers produce is worth FAR more than what they're actually getting paid (and we're merely correcting this unfairness).
"Interference isn't the answer to what ails us my friend' - actually it IS...we saw the same thing for the first several decades at the outset of industrialization and early capitalism (where machinery and technology took the work of humans, and we had a big surplus of labor...ultimately they installed govt legislation that regulated worker's pay and hours, to address said labor surplus, and we ultimately saw the vast middle class we see today immerge THANKS to said regulations).
"Ps just saw a autoteller at shoppers" - sure, and you're going to see plenty more...all this means is the 'shrinking of the work week' (we saw it back in the 1800s, were the work week went form 50-60 to only 40) thanks to automation...we'll likely see the work week shrink from the common '40 hours' to 30 or 20 nowadays, as well).
a 9 hour shift is entitled to a 1 hour lunch by labour regulations, this means employees are only paid for 8 hours. in a 9 hour shift. If he's paying them 8 hrs and 20 min, that would equate to more money for his workers. Unless they are not given a full 1 hr lunch, in which case there's more to argue about.
so the ceo of PepsiCo makes $29.8 million a year.. most PepsiCo employees are part time/casual with no benefits and poor pay.. these are the companies that should be looked at.. I feel bad for the small ma and pa restaurant and corner store that now have to struggle even harder to make a living..with the high minimum wage Ontario just hammered everyone with.. and what about all those people that had to pay for their education just to make $15/hour.. how will they get a 20% increase in pay
deryck shewchuk Great point. Too some min. Wage is awfully close to their wage now for far more competent work.
I mean we, as consumers, are more than willing to pay more for our product so that those working the labor to give it to us can be paid more... or are we?
People are too selfish to care. Tim Hortons won't lose business.
such a weird filter; high contrast, high blur, makes everything look dizzy and nauseous
Amen
Thanks Rick! The way Tim Horton's is far worse than the minimum wage issues: they've brought in foreign workers, and stack them up 6-per room and take that off their pay! Mind you, it is a franchise, but their head office could renegotiate all contracts regarding human rights in the work place.
I heard of managers doing that out in Western Canada. My daughter and a granddaughter have both worked for Tim Hortons. My daughter could tell you things that make you wonder how people even buy from their.
Tim Hortons is always open. Their employees work shifts including overnight, on weekends, through the holidays etc. every day of the year but Christmas. They deal with customers who are always rushed and often rude. They are on their feet all day long and for the lowest possible wage legally possible. Plus, they don't earn a second income from tips like wait staff or bartenders. And whether you think the work is "brain surgery" or not, after their long busy tiring shifts, they still need to pay their bills and feed their families. I suggest everyone take some of the responsibility. Rather than raising the minimum wage quite so much, why can't the government reduce income tax for low wage earners. For their part, Tim Hortons head office and the stores could split the cost of a smaller raise with the stores. And they can raise the price a bit on those fancy coffees to make up the difference. In the end, you'll know that the smiling face who prepares your favourite beverage is being treated more fairly.
Kelly Bowers there's an idea. Give ppl their own earned $ back.Trump just did that as well
Wow! GO Rick!
Congrats on trending
I consume Tim Hortons at least twice a week
They started going downhill when they ditched the sugar twist donut
TDL needs to stop bouncing the cost of pay raises down at customers and employees, and let them have the intended effect of taking a sliver of the shareholders' pie and letting the plebs share it. Shareholder interests and deferred responsibility is the problem here.
I opted to go to mcdonalds for a breakfast sandwich yesterday. Their sandwich was actually good and had what seemed like a real egg compared to the sponge thing at Tim Horton’s. Not going back to Tims. You stopped being Canadian a long time ago.
Getting paid breaks is a bonus not something you deserve. You work you get paid. You're not working on your break so you don't get paid. Used to work at Staples and I never got paid breaks.
Doesn’t the Ontario labour laws require employee to give a 30 minute paid lunch for every 5 hour shift and a 15 minute break for every 4 hours? It’s been a while since I’ve worked in Ontario, so when did this stop being a law?
A 30 minute "lunch break" is required for every 5 hours of work. It is up to the employer to determine whether or not the 30 minutes is paid or not. It is also up to the employer to allow "coffee breaks"; these breaks are not enforceable by the ESA 2000. www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/00e41 Section 20-21
A 30 minute lunch is required by law if you work more than 5 hours and a 15 minute break is required by law if you work three hours. It's up to the company however if they pay you for that and a lot of them don't pay you unless they want to.
These breaks are however not stackable meaning if you work an 8 hour shift you are entitled to a lunch break but they're under no obligation to give you a fifteen minute coffee break. A lot of places treat it like, get a cup of coffee, have it at your desk and we don't bug you for five minutes or so but that's up to them.
yeah you guys sound right, but I don't think lunches or breaks are paid.
+Bobby Daniel They can be paid if your employer wants to pay them. Before they used to have to, now most of them don't. Why would you pay somebody if you didn't need to.
If you're salaried of course that makes no difference.
Shie H. they only have to pay for breaks if the employee is not aloud to leave the premise during his/her break...
what is more sad is that those same Tim Hortons workers are paying tax on their low earnings to fund things like the CBC.
McDonslds and Starbucks are good. Bridgehead in Ottawa can serve you a great tasting cup of fair trade coffee. There's locations on Bank and a new one on Rideau
I am a canadian, i quit supporting timmies a while ago cuz i know how they treat employees like garbage, been there. VETO TIMMIES
Glad this was more business-y and not too political
Damm… this video 6 years later aged so well Tim hortons is now a dumpster fire
Stale coffee. No more 20 minute guarantee. Enough said. Goodbye massive Brazilian consortium.
I don't understand the fuss over this. I have worked in minimum wage jobs before, not at Tim Horton's and breaks weren't paid for. The only egregious story, not the at the locations targeted by premier was a location in SW Ontario that stopped offering employees a free drink on their shift or something to that effect. I think this is simply a matter of semantics. If Wynne truly believed in workers being paid for breaks she would've amended provincial labour laws. It's obvious that she's making a shallow attempt to shore up whatever little support she has for the upcoming election. Liberals playing oppourtunistic/populist politics; what else is new.
Damn right!!!
When it comes to being, inprovished, my understanding has been, Tim Hortons provides you a bread bowl of chili?
Average "Timmys" franchise owner grosses 4-4.5% per location. Average store (full size restaurant) nets on average $1.5M annually in sales. Thats $67k and change based on $11.60/hr minimum wage. Now you've decreased the bottom line by approximately $200-245k per location to the franchisee @ 14/hr plus other BILL148 measures ($3.35/hr per employee) based on average employment of 35 employees' per store. Tell me, what business do you know that can soak up an extra $200+k annually and not be expected to cut costs in any way they can?? This has nothing to do with "billionaires" or founders of a now foreign owned company. This is the exact same for McDonalds, Wendy's or any other large business with minimum wage dependent labour force. No franchisee has much power. McDonalds franchieese are allowed to set their own prices on the menu, allowing them to adjust costs/labour/pricing to help ease the pain, but MCD's is one of the few large franchises you can set your own prices at. Franchisee's are working to earn a living just like everyone else. Only difference is we didn't have to put up $1-2M in debt, risk and worries to work everyday. Wynne is crippling Ontario, and Rick should be ashamed for supporting her.
-Could you survive on minimum wage?
-No, and I don't recommend trying.
-I'm using my opposable thumbs, give me more money dammit!
And go where? McDonald’s? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
The last time we went to Tim Hortons my brother got cold coffee and a small chilli when he asked for a large and my wrap was smothered in sauce. My mom said the workers are not the problem, it is the new owners. I think the new owners will make the company suffer because they want big profit. The old owners were probably in talks with the new owners for a long time in my opinion. So I think Tim Hortons has been going downhill for a while. It is too bad, I remember when getting a hot chocolate as a kid to watch hockey at the local rink was special. Now I would rather support a local cafe which has people who want to work there.
Nick Lang Really, how about half the workers are more concerned about Facebook updates then their attentiveness to their work.
Curtis Blimkie everybody needs some attention. I said I had bad service. Not everyone can be on their cell phones while they work.
You forgot to mention hortons is now burger king usa
That's totally wrong. They merged under a Brazillian hedge fund called 3G which is now the owner of both properties and has their North American headquarters in Oakville. Tim Hortons is a completely separate business entity than Burger King. Burger King's corporate headquarters is still in Miami and Tim Horton's corporate headquarters is still in Oakville.
Trust me. I had a cousin who worked for them and was let go during the merger.
Tell me Rodd, why do you kids talk before thinking so much now? "You forgot to mention".....What? He forgot to mention what? Some made up bullshit?? No he did fine. Next time keep the brain farts to yourself Jr.
little carrey so easy to troll these types with logic and facts... too bad they are the majority
I gave up on Timmies when they sold to Americans and changed their coffee.
The Tim Hortons beside my home has terrible service and quality... the joy of going to this place has slowly evaporated
they are not getting paid for their 15 minute-mid-morning-or-afternoon break.
Time for Coffee Time to come back strong.
Don’t forget the fact that their coffee is hot water mixed with brown food colouring... Tim’s used to be good now it’s so inconsistent eww
I went to Tim Horton's in Thunder Bay Ontario at County Fair , ordered an egg sandwich and got sick from it. Tim Horton's is a ripoff and their food sucks .
Tim Hortons has gotten worse since you did this rant. Tim hortons head office also retaliated against franchise owners when they try and stick up for their rights. Many franchise owners allow customers to verbally abuse staff, sometimes customers throw hot coffee or food at staff. If they work a nine hour shift they still only get paid 8.5 hours or less. They will book students for 3pm or 3:30 even though they know they are at school and write them up as late for their shifts. Some Tim Hortons managers take the tips and before splitting it with staff have taken money out for Christmas gifts for the owners. Tim Hortons is not a good Canadian company anymore and has not been in two decades. I hate their coffee anyway.
Last time I checked, people who work an 8 hour day only get paid for 7.5. So Tim Hortons in the past was "over compensating" their employees. Now they are following the law.... Not that I drink their swill, but you cannot blame them, as small business owners, to cover their bottom line..... even if it is a fruitful bottom line.
Ingrid Roberts
Most places you don't get paid for lunch, but you get two fifteen minute coffee breaks that are paid.