Been hooked on this channel, LPL & a few others. Received a cheap pick-set & 3 practice locks this morning - Just picked my first actual Padlock 5-6 times over!
@@ShadowyFigure83 The cheapest Master Locks you can find. Other cheap brands of lock too, although occasionally you can still get a tricky one. Sterling locks are good to practice on too. Any cheap euro cylinders. Some single core ones that you can grab at good cheap prices.
Hi Bill, good morning. Thank goodness for your video. I'm sitting here by myself feeling depressed, I love your videos so that's one good news for me today
Dude I've been waiting for bills video for like five hours I feel you and as long as it's after midnight I enter his contest every Monday Wednesday Friday and Saturday just hoping to win something dude I'm on this like you bro!
Oh no! Here I was attracted to this lock because of its cool looking keys, pretty exterior and bad assed name! Well better to see this now then after I bought it, thanks Bill.
To clarify: I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with milled keys - in fact it wouldn’t be possible to laser cut this type of key (not the actual slot, anyway) as laser cutters can’t reliably cut to a certain depth. It’s engraving or all the way through the material.
@@mlenstra maybe they meant the blanks are laser cut out of sheet stock. Then they mill the other bits. And if you can engrave with lasers couldnt you math out how many times to engrave the same shape on the same space to essientially 'mill' with a laser?
@@metamorphicorder I've never understood why they refer to some types of keys as laser-cut, especially car keys. The local ACE Hardware has a machine to duplicate those keys, it's literally a miniature duplicator mill.
Fantastic just received one of these locks and have been trying to pick it and watched this video and picked about as quick as you absolutely brilliant
First time i opened one of these slider locks was when i'd left the keys to a bike i had locked into the back of my truck 2 hours away at home. It was July in Florida, not exactly ideal conditions, and it took me 20-30 minutes to get it because I spent 15-20 minutes picking the wrong side of the lock.
I have a very similar OnGuard lock (the bigger version). It took me a lot of time to get the right feeling and choose the suitable tensioning tool+right amount of tension. But after 30 min I could finally open it. Btw, it was the third lock I have ever picked (first and second being transparent and 2$ 4 pin locks, respectively). Thus, I confirm: no skill required. I hope OnGuard is already changing their design. Thank you for the video!
30 mins is a ridiculous amount of time to spend trying to unlock a bike lock and absolutely no bike thief is going to stand there for 30 mins trying to pick open a bike lock.
I just picked my first lock!!! I ordered the Dangerfield Praxis kit as well as the Ultimate challenge lock. But while I wait for those, I created a makeshift pick and a tension wrench from wiper inserts. Bought a cheap lock at Harbour Freight and picked it while sitting in my car!!!! So awesome!!!
He is just showing how crappy these locks are. (not only that brand. many of them) A manufactures of these locks, Instead of giving a fake feeling of safety to a buyer, it`s batter to think about basic security improvements. As for the ban... I suspect persons who actually steal bikes know that without youtube, unlike peoples who buy these locks and read 80% safety score, 7\10 score. How about to type at booklet something like that: 3-5 seconds with method A, 30 seconds with method B?)
Just put light tension, Then the image of one of Bill's earlier videos comes to mind when he was showing about tension and security pins so the machine-nut hanging on a string applying tension and it was too much. I love that video it really did show so much.
Anyone know if the anti-theft protection covers this? According to the terms and conditions, you're not covered if the OnGuard lock was not broken or opened by forceful means. Were you being forceful Bill? :) It isn't covered if a powertool was used either apparently.
@@237photo I also like how it's only covered if force was used. But, not if powertools were used. In other words, too much, or too little, force and you're not covered...
None of these bike lock quasi-insurance money-back promises are worth anything. It's a marketing technique. Try getting any money out of them and you're in for a rough ride.
That's pretty standard for bike lock 'guarantees'. It's reasonable in some respects, nothing is going to stop an angle grinder and the broken lock acts as some kind of proof of theft. And yes most are pretty tricky to actually reclaim on.
i heard lockpickinglawyer mention you a few times.. and watched a couple of your vids. i'm not a picker or something fancy like you guys.. just a simple it nurd that has an e-bike and a roadbike and a citybike (and no car) that i like to keep save.. so watching you guys do your thing is entertaining and informative.. i really like that you try to simulate real life and mention situation that are not common.. Nice channel, new subscriber .. thank you for your content..
No offense intended, but channels with detailed explanations like this might be doing more harm than good by encouraging new bike thieves on just how easy locks are to pick
Always thought this. All these channels are doing is showing thieves how to get past various different locks and then going "Oh BuT dOnT uSe ThIs InFo FoR cRiMes" like that's not exactly what will happen.
It's amazing how they spent so much money on marketing and apparently didn't bother consulting with anyone who knew anything about real world defeating of locks.
1:13 look at this cracked hole. How many times you tried? New ulock in orginal box, but he wasn't virgin. A saw video with 4 min slowly picking opening and i bealive it is possibile in proffesional hands. Your method probably work but I think sometimes we need 1 min like you but usually more.
Well because picking takes up to about 2 minutes at times while cutters take just under 20 seconds at most. Huge difference. I've watched so many videos to see the best locks for my bikes and yeah bolt cutters do it within either 5 to 20 seconds. Honestly 20 seconds is someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Picking takes a much longer time.
Watching this technique, I wonder if you could use something round like a thick piece of piano wire (possibly even a large paper clip) and just rake it side to side in the lock...
I'm pretty sure like other companies, they have a clause about their locks getting picked open, saying they're not responsible, and it has to be forced entry...
Hey guys I have a quick question for the community. I'm disabled and I've found lock sport to be very helpful actually for gaining dexterity etc so I've been trying to get into it more and more. However with a very set income acquiring new practice locks etc can be difficult. I live in a pretty small town in Colorado, would any of you happen to have any ideas on how I might go about finding old locks to tinker on? Or maybe a place online?
You could buy one of those repinnable practice locks and sets of various pins so you can create locks with increasing difficulty for yourself. People also sell locks with no key for low prices on ebay.
Sad. This seems to work in a lot of slider locks. I just opened a loto slider using a second tension wrench as a "pick". Key looks intimidating anyway..
I’m always curious who hits dislike and why? What I saw was a well produced, informative and quick video. Unless you came to the lock lab for cute puppy videos I am at a loss. Great video Sir Bill👍🇦🇺😊
Trying this on one and I think 'no skill' is a little wide of the mark, it's quite a knack to get the right tension, you need a reasonably thin and slim pick to get under the sliders and a tensioner of the right size with a bit more reach than normal. I think folk like bill and lpl can lose track of quite how good they are sometimes! 🙂 (Eg when lpl rather begrudgingly concedes that a 6 disc core that took him 30s and a custom tool to open is 'probably good enough for the street'). It's a pity these locks are weaker than they should be but ultimately if I have £30 max to spend on a u lock and it's an onguard brute Vs a kryptonite Evo I'll take the brute because it stands up to 48" croppers and the 12mm Evo doesn't. If you really need to leave a bike that's more likely to get stolen outside then you need to be looking up at the kryptonite m18 or abus 540 kind of range as a minimum. Or a good chain which are harder to attack with grinders.
How are chains ever a good idea? Chain is as strong as its weakest point. And those links are significantly thinner than U-locks. Which means that a thief doesn't need to make a lot of noise with a grinder. Just slowly work at clipping it quietly.
I have a slider padlock that this doesn't seem to work on. I also have a bike lock intergrated into a chain mechanism that this method does work on. Go Figure?!?!
@@panmaximus9504 Lots of confusion with this lock. I'm pretty sure the one I ordered is the one in the vid... but it doesn't have a key lock, just a 4 tumbler combination lock... which kinda makes the lock picking redundant. With this in mind... yes, highly recommend. I got it for an e-scooter and it fits well on the shaft. Easy to remove from its holder and easy to put back. Takes seconds to secure. Very sturdy
@@gjaxxthanks for the reply! bought onguard pitbull 8003 std-which stands for standard, probably the best U/D locks in this price. To be honest I'm afraid of endurance of this holder, bought for my bike.
"BB" U are Awesome Sir!👍 Been subscribed, watching ur vids & thumbs upping u 4 a while. (U & "LPL") SERIOUS QUESTION: Where Were U Trained or Went to School 4 Ur Awesome Skills? Would Seriously & Graciously Appreciate Ur Answer...Even if U can Direct Message me if Ud rather do that than public...THANKS IN ADVANCE!
Both LPL and I are self-taught pickers - I don't know of any dedicated lock picking schools. We do both have a natural curiosity and are mechanically inclined. He is a lawyer and I am an engineer.
@@bosnianbill Thank you 4 the reply BB! I have a similar background 2 u (studying engineering technology) & am also very curious/interested in myriad subject matter both in & out the realm. I'm not sure what age group u guys r in, but I'm assuming u studied & self taught b4 the age of TH-cam (which makes it easy to find much now). If so, I'm assuming you were in libraries & buying books on the subject? If so what books would you recommend to begin concise yet Not complicated study (old school way) in addition to new school of Internet search? Thanks in advance!👍
I had just put my TV dinner in the microwave and your video finished before it did.Would you mind stalling, ramble aimlessly about the Guard Cat or maybe talk about the weather, but do something to make the videos last at least 4 minutes, please. Pretty please.
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"Just like a Master Lock" wow savage!
Beat me to it. 👍
Yeah. Ouch!
Been hooked on this channel, LPL & a few others. Received a cheap pick-set & 3 practice locks this morning - Just picked my first actual Padlock 5-6 times over!
/r/lockpicking
Congrats!!
Nice!!!
Anybody have any suggestions on good UK / EU padlocks / Locks to practice on for people just starting out?
@@ShadowyFigure83 The cheapest Master Locks you can find. Other cheap brands of lock too, although occasionally you can still get a tricky one. Sterling locks are good to practice on too. Any cheap euro cylinders. Some single core ones that you can grab at good cheap prices.
Thanks! you just showed everyone how to pick my lock in an even easier way! amazing!
Hi Bill, good morning. Thank goodness for your video. I'm sitting here by myself feeling depressed, I love your videos so that's one good news for me today
Have a amazing day and try to smile
The day always gets better after a cup of coffee and the sun comes up. I hope you feel better - keep your chin up!😀
Dude I've been waiting for bills video for like five hours I feel you and as long as it's after midnight I enter his contest every Monday Wednesday Friday and Saturday just hoping to win something dude I'm on this like you bro!
@@bosnianbill Good Job Bill 👍your the best. 💯
Oh no! Here I was attracted to this lock because of its cool looking keys, pretty exterior and bad assed name!
Well better to see this now then after I bought it, thanks Bill.
The package mentions “laser cut keys” but the keys are obviously just milled.
To clarify: I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with milled keys - in fact it wouldn’t be possible to laser cut this type of key (not the actual slot, anyway) as laser cutters can’t reliably cut to a certain depth. It’s engraving or all the way through the material.
@@mlenstra maybe they meant the blanks are laser cut out of sheet stock. Then they mill the other bits. And if you can engrave with lasers couldnt you math out how many times to engrave the same shape on the same space to essientially 'mill' with a laser?
@@metamorphicorder I've never understood why they refer to some types of keys as laser-cut, especially car keys. The local ACE Hardware has a machine to duplicate those keys, it's literally a miniature duplicator mill.
@@TWX1138 marketing i would guess.
@@TWX1138 they can't duplicate any key. Just most. Some only work if done by the manufacturer.
Fantastic just received one of these locks and have been trying to pick it and watched this video and picked about as quick as you absolutely brilliant
First time i opened one of these slider locks was when i'd left the keys to a bike i had locked into the back of my truck 2 hours away at home. It was July in Florida, not exactly ideal conditions, and it took me 20-30 minutes to get it because I spent 15-20 minutes picking the wrong side of the lock.
So glad you reviewed this. I waas looking at this exact model today for my new E-bike! time for a new choice! Thanks Bill
So which is better than this one?
@@versuspc4921Litelok X1/X3, Hiplok D1000 and Altor Saf
I have a very similar OnGuard lock (the bigger version). It took me a lot of time to get the right feeling and choose the suitable tensioning tool+right amount of tension. But after 30 min I could finally open it. Btw, it was the third lock I have ever picked (first and second being transparent and 2$ 4 pin locks, respectively). Thus, I confirm: no skill required. I hope OnGuard is already changing their design. Thank you for the video!
30 mins is a ridiculous amount of time to spend trying to unlock a bike lock and absolutely no bike thief is going to stand there for 30 mins trying to pick open a bike lock.
I just picked my first lock!!! I ordered the Dangerfield Praxis kit as well as the Ultimate challenge lock. But while I wait for those, I created a makeshift pick and a tension wrench from wiper inserts. Bought a cheap lock at Harbour Freight and picked it while sitting in my car!!!! So awesome!!!
Hi.
Nice opening.
How many sliders have this lock
Thanks for the training video on how to steal a bike in one easy lesson, youtube needs to ban these video's
He is just showing how crappy these locks are. (not only that brand. many of them) A manufactures of these locks, Instead of giving a fake feeling of safety to a buyer, it`s batter to think about basic security improvements. As for the ban... I suspect persons who actually steal bikes know that without youtube, unlike peoples who buy these locks and read 80% safety score, 7\10 score. How about to type at booklet something like that: 3-5 seconds with method A, 30 seconds with method B?)
Can I use for my motorcycle?
Just put light tension, Then the image of one of Bill's earlier videos comes to mind when he was showing about tension and security pins so the machine-nut hanging on a string applying tension and it was too much.
I love that video it really did show so much.
Bill, does this new picking method work on the OnGuard Mastif (Video 1288)? Do you still recommend the Mastif?
So which one under 100$ is better than that one?
You're the King, Bill.
Very interesting, thanks Bill! Always looking for ways to make my bike harder to steal than the other guys.
I was playing around with a master u lock yesterday that has a slider core
and I stumbled on the same technique. Great video man keep up the good work
"bully them open just like a Master lock" BURN!
Anyone know if the anti-theft protection covers this? According to the terms and conditions, you're not covered if the OnGuard lock was not broken or opened by forceful means. Were you being forceful Bill? :) It isn't covered if a powertool was used either apparently.
Tony Flies sounds like a pretty empty promise
@@237photo I also like how it's only covered if force was used. But, not if powertools were used. In other words, too much, or too little, force and you're not covered...
None of these bike lock quasi-insurance money-back promises are worth anything. It's a marketing technique. Try getting any money out of them and you're in for a rough ride.
That's pretty standard for bike lock 'guarantees'. It's reasonable in some respects, nothing is going to stop an angle grinder and the broken lock acts as some kind of proof of theft.
And yes most are pretty tricky to actually reclaim on.
Nice video Bill. Would the onguard mastiff you gave a favourable review to a year ago be just as easy to bully pick?
Love the videos Bill keep up the good work!
i heard lockpickinglawyer mention you a few times.. and watched a couple of your vids. i'm not a picker or something fancy like you guys.. just a simple it nurd that has an e-bike and a roadbike and a citybike (and no car) that i like to keep save.. so watching you guys do your thing is entertaining and informative.. i really like that you try to simulate real life and mention situation that are not common..
Nice channel, new subscriber .. thank you for your content..
Love the lock cam! Thanks Bill!
I may just stand on a street corner and beg someone to steal my bicycle;-) I really enjoy your videos!
BosnianBill ... King of lock technology worldwide.
(UK)
I guess this would be the same for the onguard brute?
Thx. What bike lock would you recommend if leaving a bike for 30-45 mins, to go shopping?
Bill are those sliders or just wafer pins?
No offense intended, but channels with detailed explanations like this might be doing more harm than good by encouraging new bike thieves on just how easy locks are to pick
Always thought this. All these channels are doing is showing thieves how to get past various different locks and then going "Oh BuT dOnT uSe ThIs InFo FoR cRiMes" like that's not exactly what will happen.
Could you do the onguard 8001 brute?
How much will they reimburse you if your bike got nicked?
It's amazing how they spent so much money on marketing and apparently didn't bother consulting with anyone who knew anything about real world defeating of locks.
Getting tested for cancer is a leading cause of finding out you have cancer.
1:13 look at this cracked hole. How many times you tried? New ulock in orginal box, but he wasn't virgin. A saw video with 4 min slowly picking opening and i bealive it is possibile in proffesional hands. Your method probably work but I think sometimes we need 1 min like you but usually more.
Great video once again, what would you recommend for motorcycle lock?
These are popular at the moment, look good locks as well. Probably still OK consisting no thieves pick anyway.
Well because picking takes up to about 2 minutes at times while cutters take just under 20 seconds at most. Huge difference. I've watched so many videos to see the best locks for my bikes and yeah bolt cutters do it within either 5 to 20 seconds. Honestly 20 seconds is someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Picking takes a much longer time.
Best budget £20 D lock that's hard to pick ??
Bill!, have you thought of a monitor?
Another great video, new to the channel. I can see this is very addictive.
I wish you have a peaceful and prosper retirement Bosnianbill, thanks for making our lifes safer with all your knowledge!!!
EXCELENT!!!!!!!!
Watching this technique, I wonder if you could use something round like a thick piece of piano wire (possibly even a large paper clip) and just rake it side to side in the lock...
Pretty cool Bill, never would have thought that.
Time to go and "steal" my friends bike and reap a $375 reward...
I was thinking the exact same thing how do they verify its not a scam?
@@NiquelBones maybe one has to file a police and possibly insurance report of theft. Those would carry higher punishment if caught of fraud.
I'm pretty sure like other companies, they have a clause about their locks getting picked open, saying they're not responsible, and it has to be forced entry...
They only pay out if lock is cut without a power tool
Was just going to buy this lock. U lock recommend?
Good thing lockpickers are not thieves, we would have a field day with Onguard.
Ouch. This seems to have the same core as the OnGuard Brute model, which was kinda approved by LPL. He didn't find this bully-picking method.
and also similar core to the OnGuard Mastiff, which you approved yourself, Bill...
tres magnifique mon ami !!!
Hey guys I have a quick question for the community. I'm disabled and I've found lock sport to be very helpful actually for gaining dexterity etc so I've been trying to get into it more and more. However with a very set income acquiring new practice locks etc can be difficult. I live in a pretty small town in Colorado, would any of you happen to have any ideas on how I might go about finding old locks to tinker on? Or maybe a place online?
You could buy one of those repinnable practice locks and sets of various pins so you can create locks with increasing difficulty for yourself. People also sell locks with no key for low prices on ebay.
@@aszi77 hey thanks for the ideas! I'm definitely going to look into ebay.
Joshua, drop me an email @ bosnianbill1@gmail
Just like a Master Lock? OUCH!
Good show my old friend!!
8006 or 8066? you have 8066 on title and thumbnail, but its 8006 on the package
Sad. This seems to work in a lot of slider locks. I just opened a loto slider using a second tension wrench as a "pick". Key looks intimidating anyway..
Outstanding! Thanks!
"just like a master lock" ultimate insult
On Guard: Just like a Master Lock.
Thanks for the warning. Take care, Bill.
Interesting technique, nice work and it's scary for a name brand lock to open so easily with basic skills and tools.👍😎
onguard or was it unguard?
Sped up with audio overlay?
Nope, everything you see is real time.
@@bosnianbill just looks funny through my phone. Looks fine on my Roku tho. Weird.
I hope these make lock industry improve cause wow
Was going to buy one now I’m not sure.
I’m always curious who hits dislike and why? What I saw was a well produced, informative and quick video. Unless you came to the lock lab for cute puppy videos I am at a loss. Great video Sir Bill👍🇦🇺😊
Lol maybe its the people who make the lock
Andy Cruz ATX haha yeah probably mate👍🔒😊
Как насчёт кодовых замков ?
The more difficult the lock The faster you crack them!
got to love the advertising, maybe you are suppose to leave it on the lock to deter the thieves.
You and LPL should design the ultimate lock, patten and sell it.
i wanted to see what they were calling a light up key and why there was 2 different keys.
OnGuard - I'm pick, pull and drill resistant!
BosnianBill - Oh REALLY?
Public service announcement: This is a shit lock. A bike thief stole my ride and must have got through this in a hot minute.
how was it done ?
Based on the length from the thumbnail, i thought this was a LPL video.
metamorphicorder 2 minutes too long.
Thanks Bill, always looking for ways to steal more bikes.
Trying this on one and I think 'no skill' is a little wide of the mark, it's quite a knack to get the right tension, you need a reasonably thin and slim pick to get under the sliders and a tensioner of the right size with a bit more reach than normal.
I think folk like bill and lpl can lose track of quite how good they are sometimes! 🙂 (Eg when lpl rather begrudgingly concedes that a 6 disc core that took him 30s and a custom tool to open is 'probably good enough for the street').
It's a pity these locks are weaker than they should be but ultimately if I have £30 max to spend on a u lock and it's an onguard brute Vs a kryptonite Evo I'll take the brute because it stands up to 48" croppers and the 12mm Evo doesn't.
If you really need to leave a bike that's more likely to get stolen outside then you need to be looking up at the kryptonite m18 or abus 540 kind of range as a minimum. Or a good chain which are harder to attack with grinders.
How are chains ever a good idea? Chain is as strong as its weakest point. And those links are significantly thinner than U-locks. Which means that a thief doesn't need to make a lot of noise with a grinder. Just slowly work at clipping it quietly.
I have a slider padlock that this doesn't seem to work on. I also have a bike lock intergrated into a chain mechanism that this method does work on.
Go Figure?!?!
Why do I keep finding vids like this AFTER I buy a product?
Can you recommend it?
@@panmaximus9504 Lots of confusion with this lock. I'm pretty sure the one I ordered is the one in the vid... but it doesn't have a key lock, just a 4 tumbler combination lock... which kinda makes the lock picking redundant. With this in mind... yes, highly recommend.
I got it for an e-scooter and it fits well on the shaft. Easy to remove from its holder and easy to put back. Takes seconds to secure. Very sturdy
@@gjaxxthanks for the reply! bought onguard pitbull 8003 std-which stands for standard, probably the best U/D locks in this price. To be honest I'm afraid of endurance of this holder, bought for my bike.
"Badicly bully them open Just like a master lock" Back to the Drawing board guys.
Hahahaha! 😂 WHAT A SHAME! Thanks for the video, I almost bought this crap :)
"Stay safe, have bail money available."
now they need a picture of a dog walking back with its tail between its legs on the package and call it NoGuard. LOL
That was speedy
Brand new bicycle for sale!
Nice!
Thank you bill #bill for prez
these are sold alot in my coutry,
You’re such a bully, Bill 😏
thanks man i just got my third bike!
"BB" U are Awesome Sir!👍
Been subscribed, watching ur vids & thumbs upping u 4 a while. (U & "LPL")
SERIOUS QUESTION: Where Were U Trained or Went to School 4 Ur Awesome Skills? Would Seriously & Graciously Appreciate Ur Answer...Even if U can Direct Message me if Ud rather do that than public...THANKS IN ADVANCE!
Both LPL and I are self-taught pickers - I don't know of any dedicated lock picking schools. We do both have a natural curiosity and are mechanically inclined. He is a lawyer and I am an engineer.
@@bosnianbill Thank you 4 the reply BB! I have a similar background 2 u (studying engineering technology) & am also very curious/interested in myriad subject matter both in & out the realm. I'm not sure what age group u guys r in, but I'm assuming u studied & self taught b4 the age of TH-cam (which makes it easy to find much now). If so, I'm assuming you were in libraries & buying books on the subject? If so what books would you recommend to begin concise yet Not complicated study (old school way) in addition to new school of Internet search? Thanks in advance!👍
@@MA-lq6eb Funny you ask! Here are the books in my own library that I found useful. locklab.com/resources/books-on-lock-picking/
A lock even your pit bull can open.
Maybe if you leave the packaging on it will be more of a deterrence...
Wow, such an easy pick, probably could use a bobby pin for that one. These lock companies need to hire some better designers and engineers for sure.
Just like MasterLock. Wow, the ultimate insult, as they become the standard brand for low skill raking attacks.
The only way your bike won't get stolen using this lock, is to own the crappiest bike in town.
supose it could be done with a hairpin too
I had just put my TV dinner in the microwave and your video finished before it did.Would you mind stalling, ramble aimlessly about the Guard Cat or maybe talk about the weather, but do something to make the videos last at least 4 minutes, please. Pretty please.
LPL: I'm gonna use the tool Bosnian Bill and I made
Bosnian Bill: Hold my beginner's kit pick
When I saw that it was a 4 min video, I knew you had found a major exploit.
As my 1st ex wife used to say,
You finished already?
Sefu bill 🙏