AI in Video Games | Dropped Frames Episode 346
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
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We're joined by special guest Rami Ismail this week to chat about the need for an games industry gathering that is developer focused, AI in video games and... The universe is a simulation? Honkai: Star Rail tops 10 million in pre-downloads alone, the validity of gacha games. Then in new Nexon sues Dark and Darker devs IronMace, Redfall locked at 30 fps on consoles, our stunned reactions to Zelda and Final Fantasy XVI & much more.
0:00 - A vacation in hell
6:00 - The 100 hour mark
21:00 - Dungeon
30:00 - Reevaluating the value of GDC
42:00 - AI in games
1:09:50 - Honkai: Star Rail tops 10 million predownloads
1:11:00 - Gacha games
1:23:40 - Floating points
1:34:50 - Dark and Darker Torrent
1:44:30 - Nexon sues Iron Mace
1:54:00 - Suicide Squad delayed til 2024
1:58:00 - HBO Max switches to... Max
1:59:20 - Redfall only 30 fps on XBOX at launch
2:21:00 - The Mario movie
2:25:30 - The final Zelda trailer
2:37:10 - The final preview of Final Fantasy XVI
2:44:00 - The Destiny 2 leaks (no spoilers)
2:53:20 - Shoutouts
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Love shows with Rami cause they always give me a deeper understanding and appreciation of the industry.
was just gonna watch a few mins, ended up almost watching the whole things. well done guys.
2:26:37 LULW Classic Zelda discussions on this show
2:22:51 For the song discussion and the Top songs brackets talk, I hope Zeke does do it too
I’m glad to still see the Zelda discussion being alive and well PepeLaugh
Yesss, I love it when Rami is the guest!
My dude. Thank you once again for the quick upload!
Cohh's reactions to JP's question at 1:33:44 is hilarious
Great episode!
Daym. Now I want samples of Dropped faith and Dropped kids. That gave me huge laugh, thanks
nice turbo upload , just as i come home from work
Hell yeah im super hyped for this! Thank you for this quick upload!
Great guest and ep
Regarding FF XVI, we have not seen anything because in FF XIV: Endwalker we though we were fighting "the final bad guy", when it reallity that part was not even closer to being the end of the story.
Also, the DMC is not buttom smashing and is not "on rails".
Cohh missed the part of the question that says the conveyor belt is the same size as a standard runway.
Always a good show when Rami's here. I love to hear his insider perspective when there's topics like Redfall.
AIs like Bluewillow can create backgrounds and textures and can be automated easily. There will be professional applications soon. A hard thing will be integrating an actual AI in a game, I think it will take huge chunks of the hardware.
Devin Nash' video on dark and darker suit is top notch.
2:20:14 Mashalla Habibi Rami
12:50 that sounds like the RDR2 100% trying to beat all the gambler challenges and you are sitting there waiting for a specific situation, and then IF you get that, you have to pray it goes your way. I know people who spent months playing dominos just for a single challenge.
Pretty excited about the zelda release for years now. Wonder if any new game releases utilizes AIs like Bluewillow in their development.
Always a great podcast when Rami is on! And you should all definitely do a FFVII Remake style AI version of an old episode - see what the AI changes!
Games have a center point? 1:24:00
What does that mean? What determines where the center is?
Oh shit, Rami came in talking about a major point I am concerned about with AI. I'm surprised that I don't hear more people talking about this in all fields concerning AI.
Experts aren't worried about AI taking their jobs, and they shouldn't be. It's the people that are looking for growth that are going to be losing opportunities. Sure, greedy rich corpos will want to save money, but even well intentioned start ups will have to question if they can afford investing in someone's growth instead of spending less money to have AI generated content. New artists, new voice actors, new musicians, there's a good chance that we all cost a bit more than some AI you can spin up and prompt; and you can't blame a small indie for wanting to cut their personal costs where ever they can. It will be an interesting hurdle to overcome.
1:06:10 - Streamers need an emergency button that would immediately shut down camera/mic, like a "scram" button in nuclear reactors (AZ-5 from Chernobyl)
man, JP deleted the twitch VOD too soon.... id like to see again chat's reaction to the battleblock music...
good on you guys for not being assholes this time... THIS TIME! :P
We still have no idea if FF7remake part 2 will be this year. they said this WINTER. Which means early next year too. also if it was coming this year you'd think we'd actually see stuff about it but still nothing.
For the AI show, yall should be able to toggle your own ai so the other hosts can try and find out fi its you or not while holding a conversation
I think the solution is easier than it sounds - governments need to stop bowing to lobbyists and regulate digital purchases with an element of chance as gambling. When there is literal jail time on the line for allowing children to participate the problem will go away. Yes, everyone will switch to battle passes, but there isn't anything unethical about those, everyone can see the rewards and decide for themselves if the value is there.
I always love to see one of my favorite guests return to DF.
1:08:10 The Shocks keep coming.
Ironically Wyatt Cheng, the Diablo phone guy, has a TH-cam video showing him write a Flappy Bird clone entirely using AI. Using a combination of Chat GPT, Midjourney. and Unity. He did get a few mistakes but when he prompted chat GPT to correct those mistakes it did so. You still have to have a programmers logic mindset to create prompts to produce viable code but it's possible for simple games.
Hoped they would talk about Twitch putting chat behind accounts. Now you have to make an account to read chat :(
You guys should get mikeb on an episode. He has made a version of himself and of his WoW character as AI. It is WILD
Not that you need a reason to bring mikeb on a show but this is a good opportunity :)
I get his point about 60 FPS being hard to achieve and all that but this is freaking Microsoft we are talking about 😂 it’s not like they have budgeting constraints especially when you factor that this is their first first party release since halo infinite
Pog
"I don't think he did it!" -> good old argument against argument, they know exactly what they're doing ;)
The kitty is AI
make no mistake, BotW is absolutely genre defining and redefined open world exploration. sure you can trash on weapon durabilty all you want, doesn't change the fact that it redefined open world.
botw is the first open world game where you can truly say, it's true open world with no limitations put on the player. the only limitation is the player's creativity. the fact that you can go and straight beat the final boss after the tutorial is insane. the game has insane interactivity with the environment thanks to its physics and chemistry system. it's the ultimate sandbox open world.
and rami is spot on about botw's use of verticality. that it makes very clever use of high points so that the player can set their own destinations by line of sight with interesting attractions from high points. botw does this better than pretty much every other open world games.
like, it's hilarious and hypocritical that cohh shits on botw's emptiness yet went on to praise and love FF15... which has an even more empty world than botw. maybe if the game had massive loots and shoe horned in "rpg elements" he would have loved the shit outta it.
i agree which makes it all more impressive that genshin managed to be even better than BotW, it gonna be interesting to see just how much better the new zelda is gonna be even doe i cant see how they can top genshin at this point
Omg, I was going to write a rant on twitter that Rami is always without green screen... surprise but a welcome one
you know its gonna be a good time when ya boi rami is back :D
Ehrgeiz easily wins the "best side game" award. It was a mediocre fighting game with a fully fleshed out dungeon crawler in it
Yeah, I like the dungeon mode of that game. But it forces you to play the second character if the first one goes down at some point.
Zeke complaining about drop rates. Wait till he plays a MMORPG...
If Zeke is pissed about how hard yakuza ishin remake was to get 100% I don't even want to know what he'd think about 100% the original Japanese version. It's far worse. I've seen some people say they had iek 400+ hours to 100% it.
Love it when we get Rami on the show. 100% the best episodes of DF
I still think Cohh should watch Skillup review of Botw. I don't really care either way I haven't even played it but the way Skillup explained it just cancel a lot of what Cohh said over the years.
So, the consensus is screw you if you get hacked it's your fault and any thief who targets you gets to get away with it.
Using his same logic (Rami Ismail) if someone wipes out his bank account and max out all his Credit Cards it's his fault cause the buck stops here and he should not get any money returned and charge backs and his name restored back to good health. Because he should be a better thief then the ones who targeted him.
The buck stop here is a stupid comment, it means we are happy enough to blame you and not get to the source of the problem.
Dishonored 2 is one of the best secuels ever made, i dont what this guys are talking about
Pretty sure they talked about Dying Light 2 not Dishonored 2.
I don't think it's fair to compare Genshin to the typical gacha game, nobody in the panel gave Genshin a good chance except I think JP who played during 1.0.
It's just genuinely a great game with one of the best story in any video game, great music, great voice acting (I'm playing in japanese), great open world, great lore...etc
The gacha thing isn't different than opening loot boxes in Apex, it's everywhere and Genshin being playable on mobile doesn't mean it deserve comparison with games only made to make money like Diablo Immortal.
If you look at english twitch streamers who started the game recently, Zepla regret having pre-conceptions about the game and wish she started it earlier. Necrit is loving it too and he cleared the story without spending a cent.
It's funny that later in the video when they discuss the new Zelda, they talk about verticality in exploration and Rami says nobody ever did that. Well it's in Genshin in the Sumeru region. They did Zelda better and Rami think they "stole 70% of that shit and didn't do it as well" because he's talking about the first region. That's like comparing POE 10 years ago when it had only 3 acts to the current POE, they improved.
Yeah, Genshin still gets judged so much for how it first released. I've had so many "serious gamer" friends try Genshin in the past 6 months and get blown away by the quality. And that's without spending money on the gacha.
The verticality of the chasm was amazing. The first time I realized it just....kept going down felt like a Subnautica moment of "wow this games is more than I realized".
I still remember when the announcement trailer and how everyone was comparing it to the BOTW LULW Which of course perfect since this episode we went back to the classic BOTW discussion, Genshin came out during the perfect time in 2020 and now earns billions never would I have though how big it would get all those years ago
genshin has the unfortunate situation where its both a chinese game and has sexy anime characters - you actually risk getting cancelled if you talk favorably about it, especially in america. but they can never openly say that, so they always criticize the gacha aspect, when in truth, genshin is one of the most "fair" version of gacha because it has a hard pity . There is a limit (although its still pretty absurdly expensive) so there actually is a realistic point where you have obtained everything from the gacha and have no reason to spend more. its a far cry from "predatory", compared to other gachas from japan that have the same grindy, never ending aspect that zeke was talking about in the yakuza game except you spend money instead of time
But yeah, having so heavily copied botw, being a game from china, and the anime artstyle ensures that it'll never be acknowledged in the west. But the developers dont have to care because they're making so much money from everywhere else in the world anyway :D
I think you might be reading too much into it, they were mainly using Genshin as a vehicle to carry out the conversation on gacha. And it would be perfectly fair to claim that Genshin have gacha, which was the only negative thing they claimed regarding Genshin in that conversation. The conversation wasn't about whether Genshin is a typical gacha game or not or how it compared to other game, the conversation wasn't really about Genshin at all but the idea of gacha itself.
The fact that Genshin is a great game doesn't mean that the gacha elements bring it down various tiers of quality. Every gameplay aspect is influenced by that and made worse to push players towards spending.
Yes you can enjoy the game fpr free but it undeniably worsened by the gacha systems
If you're down to add a few mods to turn minecraft into an RPG, it's been doing what Zelda did for a decade.
I'm glad someone finally challenged Cohh and Zeke oh their absolutely terrible takes on BotW. Fucking Elden Ring wouldn't exist without BotW.
LULW It’s now tradition to talk about the Zelda incidents
"Elden Ring wouldn't exist without BotW", what? You're acting like BotW was the first open world RPG, it's not and i agree with Zeke and Cohh it's over rated, dull and doesn't do anything genre defining. Nothing in BotW was monumentally original for open world games. You are acting like GTA, The Witcher 3, Skyrim and the countless MMOs that exist haven't done amazing open worlds before BotW.
@@Primarch_Vulkan None of the games you mentioned have the same influnce as BotW on Elden Ring. Their open world elements are very different than BotW and Elden Ring's open world elements.
@@Primarch_Vulkan Referencing Skyrim in a conversation about BotW's impact on open world games really shows you just glazed over when Rami was talking about the difference in design. There's a video by Game Informer where game developers talk about BotW's design, that might help you understand unless your dislike of it is irrational.
Rami is looking really good. Holy
Rami's perspective is from a artist within the system, but for me outside the system, I see A.I. as a democratizing force for game development. The corporate ladder might be missing a few rungs now, but everyone else is building a ramp.
cohh never understood BOTW lol
How so?
@@fernandozavaletabustos205there’s not really a way for you to get better. It’s all limited to your thought. Its like why he likes terraria & not Minecraft. There’s no real way to be the “strongest”
He also didn't really give it a chance either. He went into it wanting to not like it because he really dislikes the Switch and unfortunately that quickly skewed his judgement. I didn't care for the durability system but I didn't let that stop me from playing the game. It was annoying but not so much that the game is unplayable.
Rami doesn't understand airplanes
How so?
@@Dracobyte well, the whole treadmill talk
I like Rami but boy he sure does ramble on and on 😂 i feel like he never gets his point across very well
Dark and darker case, what can they even sue for? It has made no cash, so there are no cash to get, and the others did not have a game even in development so can not sue for damages or lost revenue. Sure copyright, but it will gain them nothing besides a company shut down, and layer fees and BAD press for themselves.
I just started playing Breath of the Wild for the very first and I couldn`t disagree more with Cohh... Even with all the things that are bad about that Game it 100% is Genre-Defining. I do think that Dark Souls was inspired by Ocarina of Time in some way and has a lot of similarities... And Elden Ring was in a lot of ways inspired by Breath Of the Wild. Did Elden Ring do it better? Way better! But that doesnt mean that BotW isnt crazy good.
people who not understand BOTW good will not understand Rami say here sadly
to me BOTW is freedom you can do anything
I agree personally the exploration of BOTW was done extremely well
he just can't accept anything that looks anime
Elden Ring is not a better game XD
@@kephalai He has played and love allot of Anime games.
ive never understood this whole women in games and men in games argument... if you make good games then then cool if you make bad games i dont care if youre a man or a woman you are doing something wrong it doesnt matter what sex you are...
Rami is such a narcissist, i cant stand when hes on, constantly holds the show captive, talking about nothing and inserting himself/his stories into everything.
He's the guest. Guests are supposed to be the center of attention. Would you prefer a wet paper bag? Smash that dislike button and move on.
Imo, it's just him being non native English speaker and the hosts just give him time to translate his thought into English. Try to talk about complicate stuffs like airplane, game development or copyright law is pretty hard for people who don't use English every single day.
Rami "blah blah blah genshin bad blah stole bad blah blah my life ruined by someone stealing my game nobody knows blah blah blah" a lot of that, he is good for like some certain topics, otherwise be weary, he is a very specific agenda boy.
Rami is full of Sht.
He's making excuses for Redfall and Zelda didn't do anything "new" in gaming.
Why people make excuses for Redfall is just bad for gaming.
He's like "well, the devs have a vision and worry about how they will do it later"
That is not ok when you have your game running at 30fps in 2023.
While I think he's making excuses for Redfall, Zelda did a lot of "new" in gaming lol.
Rami didn't make excuses for Redfall. He said it shouldn't have been an issue but it's here and it's not going to magically change just because people bitch about it. There's a lot of things that could be a factor in why performance mode isn't available at launch.
If cohh doesn't watch FF16 trailers how will he know if it's shitty or not? lol, like is he going in blind and will determine if it's a shitty game or not once it comes out? like a lot of people HATED 15[I liked it myself despite it's problems] but this game just looks like a straight trash fire. The only good thing about it is the atmosphere of being medieval-ish.
I see your point about why you're watching a trailer, but you can't compare FF16 to FF15 since that game is sadly undercooked to this day. I have to say that just FF16's combat gameplay looks significantly better than FF15. It's a Final Fantasy with the deep character action of Devil May Cry and the grand boss battles of the original God of War. The only thing I don't like about FF16 so far is the overuse of the particle effect in many Square Enix games recently.
You can’t judge the game till it comes out and you have experience with it, Will see how it goes
i'm pretty sure cohh watched the first few trailers in some E3 or keighley presentations, and i'm in the same boat as him, i know the vibe and more or less the style of gameplay, so i'm already in, i've been skipping every trailer or talk about it since last year. dont think watching the new trailer would change my mind in any other way
and also for cohh, he has his legion of chat and mods that will definitely let him know if he should like it or not, so he's already booked for playing it no matter what :D
I mean to each their own, but if this game "looks like a straight trash fire" then call me a raccoon cause I'm diving right in!