Tourist Trophy Races (1958)

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  • This film comes from the Smiths Instrument Collection held at the National Motor Museum. The film contains footage from the 1958 Isle of Man TT Senior (500cc) race, won by John Surtees on his MV Agusta. Other motorcycling icons featured include Geoff Duke, Bob McIntyre and Graham Walker.
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  • @bobbythompson3544
    @bobbythompson3544 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    John Surtees a National treasure and international champion, world champion on bikes and cars, never to be repeated!

  • @drewlovelyhell4892
    @drewlovelyhell4892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    It's tempting to view these older races as quaint, but they are still fricking *moving* on those fast stretches.

    • @lordrexus
      @lordrexus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Desmond D Woolf of Southern Rhodesia lost his life in this very race at Barregarrow

    • @kentishmale1969
      @kentishmale1969 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And doing it on tyres not much bigger than you'd find on a Mountain Bike bought from Halfords today !!

  • @P88KER
    @P88KER 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am so pleased to find this footage as i was born in July 1958 . Going over for the centenary of the Manx GP in a few weeks ... can't wait !!!

  • @jeynes14
    @jeynes14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for sharing this gift.

  • @G58
    @G58 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Engines that sound as engines should. I was a few weeks old at the time. Great year.

  • @alecjefferson6993
    @alecjefferson6993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Lovely sounds I am sure I could smell the CASTROL R if only 👃

  • @jadethom7908
    @jadethom7908 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to see more of these. All those beautiful Norton's in their element, what a sight and sound that would have been! Love it.

  • @normanyates6735
    @normanyates6735 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those ladies strolling along the pavement at Ginger Hall! No safety measures in those days.

  • @alancollard8939
    @alancollard8939 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    as a school boy in london in 58 i listened to the race on a crystal set , brought back so many memories

  • @shaunnightingale4976
    @shaunnightingale4976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was born in this year I loved the racing from a very young age, fantastic video.

  • @mrspeaslake
    @mrspeaslake 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I was there, watching from Signpost Corner. So Many names i remember and faces I recognise. Happy Days.

  • @redtobertshateshandles
    @redtobertshateshandles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Norton Manx, what a bike.

  • @mikeparkinson6859
    @mikeparkinson6859 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Manx's, 7Rs and G50s. A golden age for sure.

  • @riewei
    @riewei 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Es ist immer wieder super den "alten Sound" zuhören

  • @blip98
    @blip98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gold!

  • @chrisball3634
    @chrisball3634 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wonderful footage!

  • @mr.145
    @mr.145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Interesting to see the two ladies walking along the pavement whilst the race was on ,near the start of the film.

  • @ions82
    @ions82 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still averaging nearly 100 MPH. Amazing!

  • @adrianmersk4751
    @adrianmersk4751 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    incredible footage!!

  • @sheknowsalready
    @sheknowsalready ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow So good to see, and so many familiar names we grew up hearing! *Manx Norton
    Oz Jack Ahearn 🙏

  • @jamesdunn9714
    @jamesdunn9714 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A very nice film of an historical race. Enjoyable to view.

  • @jockmccomisky
    @jockmccomisky 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great films I was lucky to see BOB MAC in 1957 and lots of TT & Manx GPS.great days Honda six no sound like I have it as ring tone. still going to Road Racing in Ireland.when not out on Velo Venom.

    • @lindalou8120
      @lindalou8120 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was there too as a 5 year old to watch my uncle Alan Trow with the rest of the family. I was too young to really appreciate it...I wish I could go now x

    • @cecilmccaughan812
      @cecilmccaughan812 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Irish counry music

  • @littlepeanut5557
    @littlepeanut5557 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Most enjoyable, good quality film. Thanx

  • @adediver
    @adediver 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just brilliant!

  • @xvdd1
    @xvdd1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Surtees the only guy to win world championships on 2 wheels and 4, I did a few laps with him at Brands at an open practice day sometime in the 80's initially he was on his Vincent grey flash and I was on my TZ bedding in a new barrel and I could stay ahead of him but then he pulled in and re-appeared on a 500 Benelli then things got a little tougher, lol.

  • @mikeparkinson6859
    @mikeparkinson6859 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can almost smell the Castrol R.

  • @mycroft1905
    @mycroft1905 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful! TFP

  • @angelpablooberti6124
    @angelpablooberti6124 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Muy bueno el video 👏👋

  • @udubidub
    @udubidub 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    splendid old chap

  • @moosey62
    @moosey62 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    John Surtees! My favourite rider after Hailwood!

  • @jsanches1000
    @jsanches1000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Surtees 2 e 4 rodas magnífico!

  • @lr882027
    @lr882027 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, from a time before the tee shirt had been invented......

  • @ENIGMAXII2112
    @ENIGMAXII2112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Back then... When motorcycles looked graceful and sounded sweet...
    When Men did not get in trouble being Men.

    • @MrDorbel
      @MrDorbel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Like beating their wives and groping women at work you mean? Ah yes, the good old days!

    • @ENIGMAXII2112
      @ENIGMAXII2112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrDorbel
      Oh Dear, Oh Dear Me..... It looks like the White Knights have followed me AAALLLLL the far away to the Classic Motorcycle Races!
      Don't you people have ANYTHING better to do?
      Mr. Paul Money... You are NOT on the money. Your stereotyping of Men in the past. Who go about their lives in groping women. And beating their wives. Is just as one dimensional as your pitiful existence If you have "guilt" issues of being a Man. You are GOING to have to dig deeper. FAR much deeper it what "forged" YOU as a man?
      You are obviously going to have to question
      YOUR teachers/ mentors in your life. Because it is quite obvious YOU should have questioned your leftist teachers in the schools/ university that YOU attended.
      Instead, YOU allowed THEM to make you into a Silly Little Soy Boy.
      Now... If you will be so kind to excuse yours truly. I shall be going BACK to the Classic Motorcycle Races!
      Where Motorcycles looked graceful and sounded sweet..
      When Men DID NOT GET IN TROUBLE BEING MEN.
      And Soy Boys like YOU who had NO voice.
      And no one cared ANYTHING for.
      Oh yes... I all most forgot..
      Do not try to respond..
      I shall only ignore you..
      YOU rightfully deserve that...
      Now take you, and your stupid Leftist comments elsewhere..
      You don't belong here....

    • @MrDorbel
      @MrDorbel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ENIGMAXII2112 But what does "When Men DID NOT GET IN TROUBLE BEING MEN." actually mean to you and what has it to do with motor cycle races?

  • @BareBonesBackUp
    @BareBonesBackUp หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, I would love to share this, is it ok if i publish it on my channel, i will obviously give you credit, thanks for sharing

  • @MrStr8den
    @MrStr8den 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Graham Walker @ 0:41 no doubt Murray's father by the looks

  • @cerfvolant11
    @cerfvolant11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here be giants!

  • @stephenjscholes1271
    @stephenjscholes1271 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The cameraman must have been standing right next to Mick Woolett at 2:58 because there is a fantastic colour still by
    that cameraman of just that very moment involving the Dale BMW.

    • @suedunn2521
      @suedunn2521 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I live on the island watching this film is still fantastic and little has changed

  • @daleskidmore1685
    @daleskidmore1685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was that Murray's dad at 0:40? Great colour footage of the event. Derek Minter used to come to Lydden Hill for the Classic Bike club meetings.

    • @NationalMotorMuseum
      @NationalMotorMuseum  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, that was Graham Walker, Murray's dad.

    • @Ivorbiggin
      @Ivorbiggin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Correct Murray’s Dad

  • @kelliebrooks9094
    @kelliebrooks9094 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank for the cool flashback im sorry he did say 192 mph right...the audio was fuzzy...

    • @stephenscholes4758
      @stephenscholes4758 ปีที่แล้ว

      Didn't hear that...in terms of speed in the 1958 Senior, I would say the Surtees MV would be around the 165mph mark as a maximum.

  • @jayneroberts8213
    @jayneroberts8213 ปีที่แล้ว

    My father Doug Allen raced in 56/57:58 wonder if there is any footage he raced a Mondial in light weight.

    • @NationalMotorMuseum
      @NationalMotorMuseum  ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately we don't have any footage from those particular years.

  • @logotrikes
    @logotrikes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Smoking in the pits. The good old days. Proper racing eh?

  • @Coltnz1
    @Coltnz1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like a disc brake on a Beemer at 3.01??

    • @murraymarshall5865
      @murraymarshall5865 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it is a drum brake as there is an air scoop on the left side, could be a cooling disc often shrunk onto drums around then in an attempt to prevent brake fade.

  • @phillparker9783
    @phillparker9783 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    is this motorcycle or ?

  • @TheMikinger
    @TheMikinger 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    whish i could have been there.

  • @derf9465
    @derf9465 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Snetterton was the last old style circuit. I went in 2015 ish, you could Park your car against the fence and sit on the roof watching the classics. Really close up, now the safety folk have pushed us all back. Sad but understandable.

  • @SpandanChatterjee2904
    @SpandanChatterjee2904 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are the engine differences between the bikes sounding like ww2 aircraft and the bikes sounding very refined, almost like future motogp?

    • @NationalMotorMuseum
      @NationalMotorMuseum  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The different sound was because of the engine configuration. The MV Agusta was a four-cylinder, not unlike modern MotoGP and superbikes. The Nortons were traditional single cyclinder engines.

  • @andrea22213
    @andrea22213 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    And all the chaps watching and the mechanics will all be wearing ties, and polished shoes.
    Unlike today!

  • @kelliebrooks9094
    @kelliebrooks9094 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Of all the creative an excited names i gave the TT in my head...Tourist Trophy was not one..but for ireland an the brits even they had to boat in as tourist....Timed Trials is what it actual is even though thats not its name tourist trials is actually it a little mondane toughest trials would probably be more appropriate...when a multi time champian opted out.....of competing......

  • @carlnapp8673
    @carlnapp8673 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think nowadays we can't imagine someone's pride who owned a KTT or a Manx at the time.

    • @redtobertshateshandles
      @redtobertshateshandles 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unless you rode one and realised that a 500 single is still a fun motorcycle which will do 100mph.

    • @carlnapp8673
      @carlnapp8673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@redtobertshateshandles
      I know, I ride a Venom.

    • @redtobertshateshandles
      @redtobertshateshandles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@carlnapp8673 when I was an apprentice I asked my mechanic what his dream bike was. A Venom.

    • @carlnapp8673
      @carlnapp8673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@redtobertshateshandles Sometimes she is a beast!
      But when she is purring and swinging along the country roads one knows exactly what craftsmanship realy meant.
      Cheers!

    • @redtobertshateshandles
      @redtobertshateshandles 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carlnapp8673 yep. I have owned XT500, DR500, XL600 and still have a TT600. All were road registered and fun on a winding old style road. When I win the lottery I will buy a Norton Inter.

  • @26TptCoy
    @26TptCoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:50 .... I'm miles ahead see ... so I ducks into the pub for sausages eggs and chips washed down wid a pint see and when I goes back outside me bikes gone .. nicked ... didn't see it did you? It's got a big number one on the front.

  • @chriskelleher349
    @chriskelleher349 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In 2020 I'd sign a driver for F1 who came from motorcycle 🏁 racing before one from karting.

  • @sofalugger
    @sofalugger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Superb, halcyon days. . never to return. .10/10 top draw. . The Norton,s ALL behind J Surtees (MV!!) Poor Norton. . Demise recently. .Again. . .

    • @threepot
      @threepot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually Surtees said he could've won a World Champ kinship on a Norton,but they wouldn't pay him. Hence him going to MV.

  • @gonbenz693
    @gonbenz693 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Topspeed?

    • @NationalMotorMuseum
      @NationalMotorMuseum  6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Surtees was lapping at over 99mph in the 1958 Senior TT (99.98mph on the second lap). Top speed would be in the region of 140mph for GP bikes of the late 50s and early 60s.

    • @gonbenz693
      @gonbenz693 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      National Motor Museum👍😊

  • @chunkybuster7203
    @chunkybuster7203 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Blimey,they were so posh in them days,they used to race in a suit and tie ! ha ha

  • @michaeltaylor8835
    @michaeltaylor8835 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dustbins for fairings

  • @57dogsbody
    @57dogsbody 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    MVs seem to be burning some oil, lots of blue smoke !!

    • @MrConan89
      @MrConan89 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Strange that his only happened after the ballaugh jump.

    • @derf9465
      @derf9465 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Two stroke MV

    • @rogerbarrett9920
      @rogerbarrett9920 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was worst after landing after the bridge- probably caused by oil in the sump surging and splashing up the cylinder bores - and the oil control rings not coping momentarily

    • @patrickporter6536
      @patrickporter6536 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, that was so you could smell the "R"!

    • @patrickporter6536
      @patrickporter6536 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@derf9465 My arse!

  • @MeaHeaR
    @MeaHeaR ปีที่แล้ว

    Thé Artiphishál soundé effekťs arê ouť ov Tõôń
    😟😟😰😩😰😟😰😩😧😧😧😧😦😧😳😳😶😵😵😳

  • @derf9465
    @derf9465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Norton was loosing then 😂

  • @pocongsalto4204
    @pocongsalto4204 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anjir cepet juga gp jaman dulu

  • @olboymotoaustralia4294
    @olboymotoaustralia4294 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    MV sound like a modern superbike almost

  • @educatedmanholecoverbyrich8890
    @educatedmanholecoverbyrich8890 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why does the National Motor museum have to ruin a great historical film by splattering their Monica all over it.

    • @NationalMotorMuseum
      @NationalMotorMuseum  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We do this to deter unauthorised copying. We want to share our films and have them viewed by as many people as possible but we also need to take actions to avoid unauthorised use.

    • @spartacus-jw9up
      @spartacus-jw9up 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Change your handle as you are clearly UNeducated. The word is moniker, (meaning name or nickname), not Monica you dimwit. Can I suggest Uneducated a**eholecover as your moniker?

  • @TheMikinger
    @TheMikinger 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    whish i could have been there.

  • @TheMikinger
    @TheMikinger 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    whish i could have been there.