Frank does have a brilliant mind. That's where Lip gets his smarts from. Frank has incredible vocabulary, and can just go off the top of his mind, performing a speech.
Most alcoholics have a higher I.Q. The smartest a person are more sadness. Living knowing you have a end and nobody knows what happens cause depression an álcohol and drugs abuse. Except the Believers, who in my opinion live in a bottle of judments. I'm from Brazil and i am a 30rs alcoholic with I.Q 110. I never Take english classes sorry my poor vocabulary and development .I never be a homeless guy, but my drink problem it's and the same level at the homeless people here in São Paulo and the majority are brilliants minds, fluency more the 2 languages. Its really sad
Of the many complaints on how the show ended,this was my biggest. The writers basically stopped acknowledging how intelligent Lip was. His story arc was abandoned and he was just another Gallagher. It was sad, because he had the most complex and interesting story in the beginning.
I feel the same. In the last episode we see him fixing a coding problem on a computer, and I hoped that the show would end with him saying he wants to go back to school, or something - but no, nothing.
@@OneGaurdianI think the concept of the whole show is this rough shitty life, everybody tries to escape, but in reality even so you are smart like lip and frank, you sometimes just fail
Unfortunately it's reality. There are truly brilliant people working on factory floors, serving you burgers, etc. They were never given a real chance. They were raised in horrible situations, went to underfunded and overcrowded schools. They're worn out. They were never taught that dreaming is good and definitely never taught how to pursue them. They're making the best of their situation.
I do not think it was abandoned, every child from that household had some sort of genetic issues related to their parents which somehow messed them up. Something that Lip always had was a sweet spot for kids so failing some parts of his life as such University made him a more mature of a person and made him realise alcohol is an actual issue for him. Ofc I would have loved if there was bit more of his screen time but in the end the show was about the family overall state and bad choices in life. I think was fair, definitely if they did something like young Sheldon but about the future journey of Lip as a father fans will definetly support it as Lip and Carl had the most interesting stories out of all in my opinion.
Alot of people who knew Frank said that before he met Monica he was brilliant and had alot of potential to actually get out of the slums but he met monica and stop giving a shit thats kind of why i think lip hates him partiality because he is like frank on tgat level but less lazy so he is afraid of going down that path i think if they kept dating mandy might have been his monica
Mandy was actually trying to lift him up and make him go to college, she cared more about Lip than herself Karen on the other hand was definitely going to be the end of him
Mandy was crazy as fuck, but she uplifted Lip. He didn’t even want to go to college. She applied for him and forced him to go. While Karen laughed at the idea. Karen is his Monica.
@@metro121482 Karen was Lips Monica. Lip is the definition of a chip off the old block difference is, lip doesn’t have a horrific addition. The thing is Monica is what made frank go down that path (granted yes he is the one who agreed to do the drugs in the first place) but Monica fucked frank up emotionally. Much like how Karen did to lip she played his emotions like a fiddle. Part of the reason why frank and lip are always at ends cause not only is frank just a bad dad but he could’ve been so much more then what he is
I didn't even realize until just now, that my ex girlfriend is like my Monica. Before we were dating, I wasn't doing much with my life, like Frank being in college when he met Monica, but I was still a lot more confident, a lot more active, and had a lot more self pride. Once I met my ex, she turned me onto taking pain pills recreationally, and it was down hill from there. Now, even though I've been clean off the pills for 6 years, the damage has yet to be repaired. It's like bulldozing a skyscraper, and one person has to rebuild it by hand. I'm totally screwed up in the head, am battling severe depression, and anxiety, and barely have a pot to piss in.
I had thought this from the beginning of the series! It has always been clear that Frank was incredibly intelligent. The best scam artists usually are. It's sad to think how much potential some people have, just to waste it.
I figured out yesterday, while riding a fourwheeler around hunting hogs, why it is I drink..... Because my inner monologue won't shut up!!! I go from hearing my own voice to hearing music to thinking about wild things/random shit, to thinking about my job, to my living situation, my future plans, all within the span of 5 minutes. It's even going right now after a few drinks. But when I get drunk that voice slows down, isn't as active, isn't as random, and the dreamless sleep at night I get is sort of peaceful for me. I know I need to stop but it's hard, especially with withdrawals and sleepless nights...
Frank could’ve been an officer in the navy or completed college and been a higher up in the insurance game but instead he wasted it all on drugs and booze.
Im not done with the series yet. On S8 E2. From this stand point the woman in lips life have all been good and bad. Karen played him, Mandy was crazy, the professor chick used him, not sure about the girl who has a kid(she works at the diner)yet because not done. He has a certain love for all of them. But let's be honest Lip is a raging alcoholic. That's mostly Franks doing. He said he had been drinking since 11. Lip is a sad and dark character. Played by a great actor. Frank is definitely a genius but went down the wrong path. They say behind every successful man is a strong women. Guess the same can be said for the opposite here. Sad. Great show
Lip has a tendency for going after rather strange women, but its the ones he falls hard for, people like Karen and the Professor, that dont love him like how he wants them to that makes them very toxic for him. that’s Lip’s weakness, falling for the wrong woman. Mandy was crazy, yes, but all in all, she was great for Lip if he could’ve seen that. she would’ve stayed a great girlfriend for him if he hadn’t cheated on her with Karen. hopefully youre done with the series already, if not skip this part: skip it if youre not done! when Lip ends up with that diner chick with the kid, he also falls too hard to fast and that’s because he likes women that are hard to get, the ones that avoid him. Karen often got with other guys because they were never exclusive and he didnt like, he didnt say anything, but he didnt like it. the Professor, well you can see how that was a bad idea. the mom at the diner, she was in no place to start something serious and had a son to think about. then the biker chick he got with at work left him bleeding and with scratches after sex. then he finally got with Tami, and they had a kid, she was the only good balance of his past relationships. where he didnt do that much chasing and she didnt do that much avoiding. they were stuck together bc of the baby and it kind of evened things out and let them fall for each other slowly and securely. and out of all of them, i enjoyed Mandy the most, but with her gone, Tami’s the next best thing, Lip ended up with a good one. end of.
yep but its exactly how it nowadays is. They now have gotten so much influence that they bully professors away and cancel them if they dont like them. I know 2 college professors who quit their job becuase now University expects them to suck up to agressive students letting them behave abysmal. Look up the Harvard president who supported that. Thats sadly now a lot of Ivy league. Harvard has lost a lot of its reputation along with MIT..etc. They did a good job of such a zealot student.
That's what's always been so intriguing to me about frank. He's so brilliant but he uses it so stupidly to scam and stuff like that. If he wasn't also so stubborn about his alcohol and drugs he would be very successful
y’know every other one of Frank’s kids (minus Sammi) kind of got his intelligence for school smarts. - it skipped Fiona - Lip got it, and he did the most with it - it skipped Ian (yes ik he’s not biologically his kid, get off) - Debbie got it, when she took her GED test she passed it in the moment without studying, only got 2 wrong whereas Fiona was studying for days, and still barely got it - it skipped Carl - Liam got it and honed it better at his private school early on, but still kept at it over time this is not to stay that Fiona, Ian, and Carl are not smart, they are in their own ways, im merely speaking book-smarts
Fiona is heir to Frank's hard knocks. Lip is heir to Frank's intelligence and the pressure that comes with it. Ian is heir to Monica's essence. Debbie is heir to Frank's childlike impulsivity and stubbornness. Carl is heir to Frank's resilience. Liam is heir to Frank's redemption, starting with the fact that he's not even his son. His childhood is directly reflective of the Gallagher family hitting rock bottom and turning it around. Liam overdosing on cocaine was Fiona's rock bottom, and it set in motion a course of events that led every Gallagher child to get their shit together at their own pace.
Fiona never had the chance to develop book smarts. She was too busy raising her siblings. She talks about being 6 years old and taking care of tiny Lip and Ian. School was never allowed to be her priority. By the time she was studying for the GED, it had been so long since she was a student. All of the Gallagher kids are smart, the just don't always choose to, (or get the chance to,) develop it.
Fiona definitely has Franks intelligence!! She wasn’t book smart but she definitely had Franks street smarts . Carl wasn’t exactly book smart either but he had a talent for military tactical training like Ian.
The principal and teacher were assholes! They were basically saying Carl was going to be a loser. People like them shouldn't be teaching or working with kids. They're disgusting. "Every now and then, a kid comes along and makes me believe in satan" the man cursing, saying he should be in prison, etc.
I had a professor... far beyond me.. but every once in a while he'd notice me. What a strange thing. To be a part of a better man's ring. To try hard. To be good. To give everything you should.
Stopped watching this show after they kicked Lip out of MIT. The show basically said no matter what they do they end up in the same shitty situation. Also it is the shame that actress playing Mandy left the show.
@@daryck9991 Well the way Lip is portrayed in being able to analyse, build context and map out a complex thought I d say he is at least 140 but possible above. I am tested at 120iq and am far less talented then Lip is in this show.
Frank does have a brilliant mind. That's where Lip gets his smarts from. Frank has incredible vocabulary, and can just go off the top of his mind, performing a speech.
I like how he is sometimes a liberal and sometimes a conservative but mostly just an asshole.
@@bggraham83 LMAOAOAOOAOAOOAOA
Most alcoholics have a higher I.Q. The smartest a person are more sadness. Living knowing you have a end and nobody knows what happens cause depression an álcohol and drugs abuse. Except the Believers, who in my opinion live in a bottle of judments. I'm from Brazil and i am a 30rs alcoholic with I.Q 110. I never Take english classes sorry my poor vocabulary and development .I never be a homeless guy, but my drink problem it's and the same level at the homeless people here in São Paulo and the majority are brilliants minds, fluency more the 2 languages. Its really sad
Joao, I wish you the best my friend. I visited Sao Paulo once (American here). Lot of great people there. @@Joaoanibali
Lol yeah, that what happens when writers try to write a degenerate character
Of the many complaints on how the show ended,this was my biggest. The writers basically stopped acknowledging how intelligent Lip was. His story arc was abandoned and he was just another Gallagher. It was sad, because he had the most complex and interesting story in the beginning.
I feel the same. In the last episode we see him fixing a coding problem on a computer, and I hoped that the show would end with him saying he wants to go back to school, or something - but no, nothing.
@@OneGaurdianI think the concept of the whole show is this rough shitty life, everybody tries to escape, but in reality even so you are smart like lip and frank, you sometimes just fail
Unfortunately it's reality. There are truly brilliant people working on factory floors, serving you burgers, etc. They were never given a real chance. They were raised in horrible situations, went to underfunded and overcrowded schools. They're worn out. They were never taught that dreaming is good and definitely never taught how to pursue them.
They're making the best of their situation.
@@xmas74I hope you truly understand how accurate this comment you made is. ❤ 😔😞😣😭
I do not think it was abandoned, every child from that household had some sort of genetic issues related to their parents which somehow messed them up. Something that Lip always had was a sweet spot for kids so failing some parts of his life as such University made him a more mature of a person and made him realise alcohol is an actual issue for him. Ofc I would have loved if there was bit more of his screen time but in the end the show was about the family overall state and bad choices in life. I think was fair, definitely if they did something like young Sheldon but about the future journey of Lip as a father fans will definetly support it as Lip and Carl had the most interesting stories out of all in my opinion.
Alot of people who knew Frank said that before he met Monica he was brilliant and had alot of potential to actually get out of the slums but he met monica and stop giving a shit thats kind of why i think lip hates him partiality because he is like frank on tgat level but less lazy so he is afraid of going down that path i think if they kept dating mandy might have been his monica
Nah, I think Karen would have been his Monica if she hadn't been brain damaged.
Mandy was actually trying to lift him up and make him go to college, she cared more about Lip than herself
Karen on the other hand was definitely going to be the end of him
Mandy was crazy as fuck, but she uplifted Lip. He didn’t even want to go to college. She applied for him and forced him to go. While Karen laughed at the idea. Karen is his Monica.
@@metro121482 Karen was Lips Monica. Lip is the definition of a chip off the old block difference is, lip doesn’t have a horrific addition. The thing is Monica is what made frank go down that path (granted yes he is the one who agreed to do the drugs in the first place) but Monica fucked frank up emotionally. Much like how Karen did to lip she played his emotions like a fiddle. Part of the reason why frank and lip are always at ends cause not only is frank just a bad dad but he could’ve been so much more then what he is
I didn't even realize until just now, that my ex girlfriend is like my Monica. Before we were dating, I wasn't doing much with my life, like Frank being in college when he met Monica, but I was still a lot more confident, a lot more active, and had a lot more self pride. Once I met my ex, she turned me onto taking pain pills recreationally, and it was down hill from there. Now, even though I've been clean off the pills for 6 years, the damage has yet to be repaired. It's like bulldozing a skyscraper, and one person has to rebuild it by hand. I'm totally screwed up in the head, am battling severe depression, and anxiety, and barely have a pot to piss in.
I had thought this from the beginning of the series! It has always been clear that Frank was incredibly intelligent. The best scam artists usually are. It's sad to think how much potential some people have, just to waste it.
Drugs, alcohol, and mental illness can do a number on you.
I figured out yesterday, while riding a fourwheeler around hunting hogs, why it is I drink..... Because my inner monologue won't shut up!!! I go from hearing my own voice to hearing music to thinking about wild things/random shit, to thinking about my job, to my living situation, my future plans, all within the span of 5 minutes. It's even going right now after a few drinks. But when I get drunk that voice slows down, isn't as active, isn't as random, and the dreamless sleep at night I get is sort of peaceful for me. I know I need to stop but it's hard, especially with withdrawals and sleepless nights...
This scene crushed me when I first watched it and everytime since! We never see what we are doing to ourselves until it's too late!!
Frank was always a genius.
He just never used it for the right reasons.
This should've been a pursuit of happiness moment
Frank could’ve been an officer in the navy or completed college and been a higher up in the insurance game but instead he wasted it all on drugs and booze.
Frank could’ve been a college lecturer/educator, maybe even an administrator at a university. But it is what it is.
This was the end of his education in the series.
God the juxtaposition of Youens here in season 6 to when he’s in county in season 8 he looks like an almost completely different person
Don't think the worse of others
Im not done with the series yet. On S8 E2. From this stand point the woman in lips life have all been good and bad. Karen played him, Mandy was crazy, the professor chick used him, not sure about the girl who has a kid(she works at the diner)yet because not done. He has a certain love for all of them. But let's be honest Lip is a raging alcoholic. That's mostly Franks doing. He said he had been drinking since 11. Lip is a sad and dark character. Played by a great actor. Frank is definitely a genius but went down the wrong path. They say behind every successful man is a strong women. Guess the same can be said for the opposite here. Sad. Great show
Lip has a tendency for going after rather strange women, but its the ones he falls hard for, people like Karen and the Professor, that dont love him like how he wants them to that makes them very toxic for him.
that’s Lip’s weakness, falling for the wrong woman.
Mandy was crazy, yes, but all in all, she was great for Lip if he could’ve seen that. she would’ve stayed a great girlfriend for him if he hadn’t cheated on her with Karen.
hopefully youre done with the series already, if not skip this part:
skip it if youre not done!
when Lip ends up with that diner chick with the kid, he also falls too hard to fast and that’s because he likes women that are hard to get, the ones that avoid him. Karen often got with other guys because they were never exclusive and he didnt like, he didnt say anything, but he didnt like it. the Professor, well you can see how that was a bad idea. the mom at the diner, she was in no place to start something serious and had a son to think about.
then the biker chick he got with at work left him bleeding and with scratches after sex. then he finally got with Tami, and they had a kid, she was the only good balance of his past relationships. where he didnt do that much chasing and she didnt do that much avoiding. they were stuck together bc of the baby and it kind of evened things out and let them fall for each other slowly and securely.
and out of all of them, i enjoyed Mandy the most, but with her gone, Tami’s the next best thing, Lip ended up with a good one.
end of.
I hated the student rep that was there. She was pretty much decided before Lip even spoke.
yep but its exactly how it nowadays is. They now have gotten so much influence that they bully professors away and cancel them if they dont like them. I know 2 college professors who quit their job becuase now University expects them to suck up to agressive students letting them behave abysmal. Look up the Harvard president who supported that. Thats sadly now a lot of Ivy league. Harvard has lost a lot of its reputation along with MIT..etc.
They did a good job of such a zealot student.
That's what's always been so intriguing to me about frank. He's so brilliant but he uses it so stupidly to scam and stuff like that. If he wasn't also so stubborn about his alcohol and drugs he would be very successful
bro said "i dont wanna be around frank i wanna be around a drunk who has 5 duis including driving into a house
This was before he learned about any of that.
I hate how the school approved this appeal but stuck to the bylaws in the end. That was stupid.
And.... They still dont give him a second chance.
At that point in the story though he still would have screwed it up he still needed to figure out his problems and get sober
Lips story was wasted
Had no idea Cal Kestis was in this.
You mean Jerome/Jeremiah Valeska
This is what Cameron Monaghan got famous from.
y’know every other one of Frank’s kids (minus Sammi) kind of got his intelligence for school smarts.
- it skipped Fiona
- Lip got it, and he did the most with it
- it skipped Ian (yes ik he’s not biologically his kid, get off)
- Debbie got it, when she took her GED test she passed it in the moment without studying, only got 2 wrong whereas Fiona was studying for days, and still barely got it
- it skipped Carl
- Liam got it and honed it better at his private school early on, but still kept at it over time
this is not to stay that Fiona, Ian, and Carl are not smart, they are in their own ways, im merely speaking book-smarts
Fiona is heir to Frank's hard knocks.
Lip is heir to Frank's intelligence and the pressure that comes with it.
Ian is heir to Monica's essence.
Debbie is heir to Frank's childlike impulsivity and stubbornness.
Carl is heir to Frank's resilience.
Liam is heir to Frank's redemption, starting with the fact that he's not even his son. His childhood is directly reflective of the Gallagher family hitting rock bottom and turning it around. Liam overdosing on cocaine was Fiona's rock bottom, and it set in motion a course of events that led every Gallagher child to get their shit together at their own pace.
@@alec6583 i love all of this, but also idk if you watched the complete first season, but Liam is, by blood, Frank’s son
@polaroized Jesus I forgot all about it.
Fiona never had the chance to develop book smarts. She was too busy raising her siblings. She talks about being 6 years old and taking care of tiny Lip and Ian. School was never allowed to be her priority. By the time she was studying for the GED, it had been so long since she was a student. All of the Gallagher kids are smart, the just don't always choose to, (or get the chance to,) develop it.
Fiona definitely has Franks intelligence!! She wasn’t book smart but she definitely had Franks street smarts . Carl wasn’t exactly book smart either but he had a talent for military tactical training like Ian.
I was wondering where this Bear actor got his experience...
Con artists usually are brilliant. Most of the family was strong and smart. They were survivors.
The principal and teacher were assholes! They were basically saying Carl was going to be a loser. People like them shouldn't be teaching or working with kids. They're disgusting. "Every now and then, a kid comes along and makes me believe in satan" the man cursing, saying he should be in prison, etc.
I had a professor... far beyond me.. but every once in a while he'd notice me. What a strange thing. To be a part of a better man's ring. To try hard. To be good. To give everything you should.
Frank is a genius and a jerk but at least he doesn't be pretending to be something he's not especially just to fit in.
True, Frank might be an asshole, but he has a brilliant mind. It was refreshing to hear lip admit the latter during his speech.
Carmy
He’s not wrong.
Stopped watching this show after they kicked Lip out of MIT. The show basically said no matter what they do they end up in the same shitty situation. Also it is the shame that actress playing Mandy left the show.
The first actress playing Mandy was super hot
The Gallaghers’ constantly fuck themselves over.
Fun fact: Frank has 115 iq and lip have 140
wrong
Lips probably 160/170
How do you know?
@@daryck9991 Well the way Lip is portrayed in being able to analyse, build context and map out a complex thought I d say he is at least 140 but possible above. I am tested at 120iq and am far less talented then Lip is in this show.
and then the democrat kicked him out