This video saved my bacon. When I was taking the high pressure hose off the pump the "valve nut" followed it out and the valve and spring dropped out . I had no idea what order they were in and after trial and error didn't work, I luckily found your video. Thank you.
To get the big clip out there is a small hole on the out side of the pump housing to put a small pin punch through to push out one end of the clip you don’t need to compress the back plate
Good work on getting that clip out. I need to replace my o ring seal in a similar pump on my 2008 f150. its leaking from the back cover o ring but only when its cold.
An excellent video, thank you. I've just had the pump replaced on my Vito, at 341k miles so I can't complain. However not over revving and possibly changing the fluid seem like a good idea!
Helpful video..have an eb falcon having probs .powerwashed front of engine to which the steering would pulse amd scream through turning .I replaced a second pump from a wrecker .this new pump is quite but doesn't power the steering ..when you remove the filler cap you see the fluid circulating while steering is being turned ???
I was wondering if the failure might have been due to fluid loss (the reservoir was replaced, after all), but looking at the points of failure, I don't think that's the case. I'm not entirely sure why the rotor assembly would overheat that much in those areas without damage elsewhere, though!
+rhkips I agree, it's odd as the rest seemed fine. Maybe that's what happens when you do sustained burnouts! I do think it had been run low on fluid too... Cheers, Andy
Due to the tension on the pulley and shaft from the belt I would think, depending on direction of rotation ( clockwise or counter clockwise ) there would be pressure exerted toward the front or back of the pump due to the shaft trying to walk in or out. If the pump was run low on fluid I would think the three parts of the rotor assembly would heat up pretty quick and is evident in the end play ( float to you guys down under ! LOL ! ) that you demonstrated ?
+Billy R Thanks Billy, I too think the primary fail was a fluid Leak from the reservoir & agree with your verdict. Lesson to be learnt - fix leaks! ! Cheers Andy
Billy R Hmm, definitely food for thought! I would expect to see severe wear on the vanes and vane wall surface as well though, no? It's sort of a chicken and egg type question. Did the end play cause the wear, or did the wear result in end play? The world may never know~
+rhkips hmmmm. ...definatly no wear marks on the cam ring or vanes edges. But huge heat marks top and bottom of the vanes. Personally I think lack of fluid caused lack of lubrication resulting in overheating. Excessive wear soon followed and with it comes the end float and reduced pump output. But either way you look at it...it's junk now! Cheers for the talk :-)
Hey Andy, just got myself a Territory and this 2007 model is using the same pump. Thanks for the stripping video, it helps to understand what goes down while we're tugging at the steering wheel. Great video.... Now to my situation and question : The pump was removed when I bought it over for next to nothing really and I thought ah well let's get that done. I found the pulley damaged at the center where it fits onto the pump and belt snapped but still attached. I have no history of the vehicle other than its last routine service 2-3 years back and the vehicle still starts up, so everything runs, except that I've no idea why the pump was removed. Could it be that there was a leak and this caused problems with the pump and pressure within the system and thus the belt forcefully pulled the pulley faster than the pump was moving, thus damaging the pulley at the center?
Hi, Thanks for the feedback :-) The pump has a pressure release valve that will trigger at 1250 psi so unless this was inoperative the pump shouldn't get overloaded & stress the belt There is a known issue with the pulley coming loose on those pumps so it's most likely it's that. I have come across hydraulic winches that use the power steering pump as a feed - these would work the pump hard for longer periods which may, in some cases, cause excessive heat build up - this may also be a cause of the fail but only if it has had a hydraulic winch fitted at some point? Hope this info helps. Cheers Andy
Interesting video. Any thoughts on the economics of repairing a Ford EL pump with major front seal leakage? Also are swishy noises and groaning from the pump normal? I'm thinking a brand new pump is probably most practical. I got lucky with a second hand high pressure hose but the pump I got turned out to be just as bad as its predecessor.
Hi Nick, I'd definitely go for a new pump. Like you say, second hand pumps are a bit of a gamble and a new pump isn't too expensive. The noises are often caused by air in the ATF - as it passes through the pump the air is compressed causing the weird noises. I'm sure a fluid dynamics expert will be able to explain in a more technical manner! Hope this helps Andy
@@AndyMechanic cheers dude. Hope you're surviving UNITEC! I grabbed my pump from my first Falcon which has a near zero compression motor. It had let go totally in the steering rack seal department. Pump leaks but it's not gushing like the others. Got my eye on a cheap new pump but I think it's from the EBs and I hope it won't be too much drama to change the pulleys over.
Hi Andy. Is there likely a difference in pump fluid pressure between a 2010 FG Falcon and an XF 1987 Falcon? I need to drive the XF steering from a Barra XR6 motor and I need to know if the FG pump is suitable.
Hmmmm. ...very good question. The pressure relief valve on power steering systems usually is 1,250 psi. I think the more important question is that of flow - do the two pumps produce similar volume outputs of fluid. If the pulley sizes are similar & the pump diameter & depth look similar I think you'll be fine. Hope this is of help. Cheers Andy
There is a part missing from the internals in the pump. Thats why you had play on the pulley when pushing in and out on the pulley. Can you tell which part is not there?
Hi Andy, I have a MK2 FG and pump is loud and makes a lot of whining noises especially when the pressure on the tyres is below 35psi. Any idea what would be causing this? Pump still seems to behave normally with power assistance but it's just noisy. I'd almost like it to a supercharger whine 😆
Hi, the noise is usually caused by air in the system. When it passes through the pump the noise is created. Over time the air should naturally purge from the system. It could also be fluid bypass on the main seal on the rack - though you should notice a lack of assistance at the steering wheel. Another cause of the noise could be that the pressure relief valve (in the pump) is opening at too low a pressure - could be the spring has lost strength or valve seat is leaking. Hope this info helps. Oh....check drive belt tension & condition - noise could be just a slipping belt. Cheers Andy
This video saved my bacon. When I was taking the high pressure hose off the pump the "valve nut" followed it out and the valve and spring dropped out . I had no idea what order they were in and after trial and error didn't work, I luckily found your video. Thank you.
Great info cheers , have an Fg Xr6 with p/s leak .. this vid helps heaps
To get the big clip out there is a small hole on the out side of the pump housing to put a small pin punch through to push out one end of the clip you don’t need to compress the back plate
I love you man! Thanks for that tip. Priceless information.
Good work on getting that clip out. I need to replace my o ring seal in a similar pump on my 2008 f150. its leaking from the back cover o ring but only when its cold.
An excellent video, thank you. I've just had the pump replaced on my Vito, at 341k miles so I can't complain. However not over revving and possibly changing the fluid seem like a good idea!
Helpful video..have an eb falcon having probs .powerwashed front of engine to which the steering would pulse amd scream through turning .I replaced a second pump from a wrecker .this new pump is quite but doesn't power the steering ..when you remove the filler cap you see the fluid circulating while steering is being turned ???
I was wondering if the failure might have been due to fluid loss (the reservoir was replaced, after all), but looking at the points of failure, I don't think that's the case. I'm not entirely sure why the rotor assembly would overheat that much in those areas without damage elsewhere, though!
+rhkips I agree, it's odd as the rest seemed fine. Maybe that's what happens when you do sustained burnouts! I do think it had been run low on fluid too...
Cheers, Andy
Due to the tension on the pulley and shaft from the belt I would think, depending on direction of rotation ( clockwise or counter clockwise ) there would be pressure exerted toward the front or back of the pump due to the shaft trying to walk in or out. If the pump was run low on fluid I would think the three parts of the rotor assembly would heat up pretty quick and is evident in the end play ( float to you guys down under ! LOL ! ) that you demonstrated ?
+Billy R Thanks Billy, I too think the primary fail was a fluid Leak from the reservoir & agree with your verdict. Lesson to be learnt - fix leaks! ! Cheers Andy
Billy R
Hmm, definitely food for thought! I would expect to see severe wear on the vanes and vane wall surface as well though, no?
It's sort of a chicken and egg type question. Did the end play cause the wear, or did the wear result in end play? The world may never know~
+rhkips hmmmm. ...definatly no wear marks on the cam ring or vanes edges. But huge heat marks top and bottom of the vanes. Personally I think lack of fluid caused lack of lubrication resulting in overheating. Excessive wear soon followed and with it comes the end float and reduced pump output.
But either way you look at it...it's junk now! Cheers for the talk :-)
Hey Andy, just got myself a Territory and this 2007 model is using the same pump. Thanks for the stripping video, it helps to understand what goes down while we're tugging at the steering wheel. Great video.... Now to my situation and question :
The pump was removed when I bought it over for next to nothing really and I thought ah well let's get that done. I found the pulley damaged at the center where it fits onto the pump and belt snapped but still attached. I have no history of the vehicle other than its last routine service 2-3 years back and the vehicle still starts up, so everything runs, except that I've no idea why the pump was removed.
Could it be that there was a leak and this caused problems with the pump and pressure within the system and thus the belt forcefully pulled the pulley faster than the pump was moving, thus damaging the pulley at the center?
Hi, Thanks for the feedback :-)
The pump has a pressure release valve that will trigger at 1250 psi so unless this was inoperative the pump shouldn't get overloaded & stress the belt
There is a known issue with the pulley coming loose on those pumps so it's most likely it's that.
I have come across hydraulic winches that use the power steering pump as a feed - these would work the pump hard for longer periods which may, in some cases, cause excessive heat build up - this may also be a cause of the fail but only if it has had a hydraulic winch fitted at some point?
Hope this info helps. Cheers Andy
Interesting video. Any thoughts on the economics of repairing a Ford EL pump with major front seal leakage? Also are swishy noises and groaning from the pump normal? I'm thinking a brand new pump is probably most practical. I got lucky with a second hand high pressure hose but the pump I got turned out to be just as bad as its predecessor.
Hi Nick, I'd definitely go for a new pump. Like you say, second hand pumps are a bit of a gamble and a new pump isn't too expensive. The noises are often caused by air in the ATF - as it passes through the pump the air is compressed causing the weird noises. I'm sure a fluid dynamics expert will be able to explain in a more technical manner!
Hope this helps
Andy
@@AndyMechanic cheers dude. Hope you're surviving UNITEC! I grabbed my pump from my first Falcon which has a near zero compression motor. It had let go totally in the steering rack seal department. Pump leaks but it's not gushing like the others. Got my eye on a cheap new pump but I think it's from the EBs and I hope it won't be too much drama to change the pulleys over.
Hi Andy. Is there likely a difference in pump fluid pressure between a 2010 FG Falcon and an XF 1987 Falcon? I need to drive the XF steering from a Barra XR6 motor and I need to know if the FG pump is suitable.
Hmmmm. ...very good question. The pressure relief valve on power steering systems usually is 1,250 psi. I think the more important question is that of flow - do the two pumps produce similar volume outputs of fluid. If the pulley sizes are similar & the pump diameter & depth look similar I think you'll be fine.
Hope this is of help.
Cheers Andy
There is a part missing from the internals in the pump. Thats why you had play on the pulley when pushing in and out on the pulley. Can you tell which part is not there?
Hi Andy, I have a MK2 FG and pump is loud and makes a lot of whining noises especially when the pressure on the tyres is below 35psi. Any idea what would be causing this?
Pump still seems to behave normally with power assistance but it's just noisy. I'd almost like it to a supercharger whine 😆
Hi, the noise is usually caused by air in the system. When it passes through the pump the noise is created. Over time the air should naturally purge from the system.
It could also be fluid bypass on the main seal on the rack - though you should notice a lack of assistance at the steering wheel.
Another cause of the noise could be that the pressure relief valve (in the pump) is opening at too low a pressure - could be the spring has lost strength or valve seat is leaking.
Hope this info helps.
Oh....check drive belt tension & condition - noise could be just a slipping belt.
Cheers
Andy
on the side of it near clamp is a little hole . you put a small screwdriver in there and tap it out
We can do it at home also