@@h3r3si43 yeah i also was thinking maybe due to them having to make 2 playable link models, child and adult, they cut the extra shit that adult link had
I like it aswell but I think it was right to remove it in the final game. A crt Tv wouldn’t be able to really capture the fluidity of it any ways. Good thing they axed it for better frame rate
@@Space_Australian But in the end, perhaps Mido's decendant ended up as a sage? Or his sister Fado's decendant? Or Fado just went and became all male-like later on? I'm speaking of Fado the Wind Sage in The Wind Waker. They do have the same name... Saria is the Forest Sage, and since Impa was given Shadow, Wind went to...Mido or Fado? Mido makes more sense. He was more relevant than Fado who just teases you a couple times.
From concept art, Sheik was originally going to be his own character. He was most probably Mido, Sage of Shadow. When the character was cut in favor of Impa, the name was given to the Kokiri bully. Shadow Temple was most likely the last stage before Ganon, but in the end they made it so you could choose it or spirit. Functionally and plot-wise, he would have the same role as Sheik, teaching you songs before being revealed as the sage of shadow.
I just noticed that the 3 spiritual stones look like the musical signs for flat and sharp, I'm not sure what the green one is supposed to be, but It's interesting that they look like that and they're right next to the learned songs! Also I just want to say that if someone made a new Ocarina of Time and were able to implement all of the beta stuff and make clever puzzles and stuff, I'd buy the F out of it
@@RandomUser11170 I knew it was something like that! I took a music class in junior high, but it's been a good 15 years lol! Thank you for the reminder! :)
@@jamesmkay the stones were originally going to be placed into the Ocarina of Time instead of onto the pedestal (you can see the red/green/blue dots on the OoT in this vid). So that's probably why they are shaped like music stuff
@@Kosmicd12 WOAH! I had no idea, that's so cool! Honestly all this demo stuff is so incredible to me! So much respect to all of you guys, I hope I get to see more like this in the future from ZFG!!!! Let's GO
My guess is they originally had a much larger range of notes playable on the ocarina (maybe all 12?) but scaled it back for simplicity, this would also explain why you have so much control over the ocarina's pitch for no real reason.
The little stream area running through the Temple at 8:40 looks better than in the final version, what with the little ferns growing next to the water. I wonder if those were cut from the final version for performance reasons.
Either that or maybe they were visually confusing, too. The stream is kinda narrow in the middle and the ferns are cluttering that area, almost feeling like a barrier. Maybe they got bad feedback in playtests. Probably the same with the light shafts from the windows which I really love: I can totally imagine some playtesters assuming they had to reach those windows because the light made the windows look important, and they were stuck figuring out how. It's exciting to think about all of that, really wish I could have been there lol
I think Wind Waker kinda gave us the Wind Temple, complete with a Kokiri. The irony is Wind Waker may have picked up a lost dungeon and and discarded two of it's own. Not sure we ever found out where they went
Maybe Mido was a different character in the beta. They got sage names from the Zelda II towns, and Impa was the only sage not named after a town, but a previous character. Mido and Kasuto were the only names left out from the sage list in the final game.
@@--i-am-root I'd suspect he was probably the same character, it somewhat makes sense story-wise as it feels like even in the final, there's... *remnants* of him being pretty intrinsically linked (heh) to Link's growth as a character in a similar way to Saria. The way he locks you out of the Forest Temple for a bit suggests that he wasnt just intended as a one-off bully for Link to lock him out at the start of the game. My personal theory is that very early in development, the Forest temple may in fact have been the site of the Shadow temple, with the Wind temple being somewhere entirely different (perhaps even where the shadow temple would end up being!). Think about it; the primary gimmick of the shadow temple is the hover boots and multiple fan rooms, and the forest temple has you chasing after ghosts to unlock the boss room where you fight a phantom of your biggest enemy and perhaps, even your greatest fear. It feels pretty fitting to me if their aesthetics were potentially swapped prior to release.
@@GoodGirlPeruru Good points. I was already thinking about the fan gimmick in the shadow Temple as I was reading your second paragraph, but never considered the Poes or Phantom Ganon in the Forest Temple. That would have been interesting to get more development from Mido.
Apprently medallions were supose to use magic like shown here, but the magic aspect was scraped because of the n64 hardware limitations when Ocarina of Time was moved from 64DD regular N64
Was it...? Hm... I'm trying to remember... I recall the originally-planned story having a temple in the forest that was important for something... Link saved a captured fairy. Maybe that was forest temple. But then why is it so late in development? Maybe they scrapped an older one by this point? It was the Wind Temple after all. I don't see any wind happening... Oh... But then again, was that story before or after they added 10-year-old Link? I wish we had a time-line of all the changes.
When I was a little kid I always thought that I could use medallions because of their icons which are similar to those of the objects that can be wielded by Link but just couldn't find a trick to use them all. I was far from suspecting that I was right and NINTENDO, THANKS FOR GIVING ME FALSE HOPES 😭
been saying bolero on it's own for so long that it became weird to say Bolero of Fire as a whole, as if it was incorrect. Also didn't help it's between Minuet of Wind and Waltz of Water too either.
@@linkswords10 possible but I'm not sure if they would have thought about that. There are so many ways to cheese things in both N64 zeldas even in the final versions that I doubt they would've been able to really disable them or think about them or even eventually intended you to use it, leave the option open to do so or something in those lines
Shadow was meant to come after Spirit so the ability to cheese the Gerudo's wouldn't have even been possible Also Spirit Medallion turning You into a Fairy feels like the idea evolved into Young/Adult Link gimmick in the final game now that I think about it
@@TheGameCreator13 well that is if that was the intended order, the Dampé race got altered and put way further into the beginning as well. it's also not impossible to do shadow without the lense of truth, (which you need to even reach spirit, too) so it isn't out of the question either which is by the way also the reason why the game checks for spirit and shadow medaillion for the light arrow check, if it was impossible to obtain the shadow medaillion before the spirit one you'd only have the game check for shadow. Lens also is the only thing stopping you from beating shadow is lens but you can get that in BOTW xD Ocarina of time isn't a linear game, you can change up the order pretty often. you can do water or fire before forest. Jabu jabu before dodongo and shadow before spirit. the roadblocks you face are always just medaillion triggers. I think the water fire and forest medaillion are needed to trigger botw. Seems like they haven't changed much about that aspect from beta to final. only a ton of maps perhaps. Maybe you're mistaking this because of the location you find Nayru's love in. But yea Spirit medaillion kinda captures that idea.
_Gotta say that beta version stuff looks better than the original. Regardless of the graphics, cuz I don't mind them, the ideas are surprisingly amazing._
this game would have been immaculate if it kept this simplicity and style, instead they wanted to simplify and then over complicate stuff EHM water temple, completely flat land with 0 breaks in the players path, "advanced" enemy AI and more weapons.
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I like how the woods look like the one at the start of Majora's mask
Dope
They probably reused this asset in MM saying it was developed in such a short time they reused a lot from oot
Very similar to ALTTP Lost Woods
It kinda is
They would have maked something similar in twilight princess
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"Do I think Nintendo will talk about this?"
"Uh, they might talk about it through DMCA letters. Other than that, probably not."
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Links hat moves much more in this when he walks. thats always a detail that I like
I noticed that and wonder why its not in the main game
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@@h3r3si43 yeah i also was thinking maybe due to them having to make 2 playable link models, child and adult, they cut the extra shit that adult link had
@@youhaveayds8975 child link got also those animations assets tho
I like it aswell but I think it was right to remove it in the final game. A crt Tv wouldn’t be able to really capture the fluidity of it any ways. Good thing they axed it for better frame rate
The Stalfos at the end rotating in place got a chuckle from me.
They're rotating like a normal person would
speen!
the trap door was the one that got me then respawning into falling again
4:36 how was Mido going to be connected to the Shadow Temple? Playground bully turns into a dark lord?!
All the OoT Sages were named after towns in Zelda II. I'm guessing they changed Mido for Impa late in development
@@Space_Australian But in the end, perhaps Mido's decendant ended up as a sage? Or his sister Fado's decendant? Or Fado just went and became all male-like later on? I'm speaking of Fado the Wind Sage in The Wind Waker. They do have the same name... Saria is the Forest Sage, and since Impa was given Shadow, Wind went to...Mido or Fado? Mido makes more sense. He was more relevant than Fado who just teases you a couple times.
From concept art, Sheik was originally going to be his own character. He was most probably Mido, Sage of Shadow. When the character was cut in favor of Impa, the name was given to the Kokiri bully. Shadow Temple was most likely the last stage before Ganon, but in the end they made it so you could choose it or spirit. Functionally and plot-wise, he would have the same role as Sheik, teaching you songs before being revealed as the sage of shadow.
I just noticed that the 3 spiritual stones look like the musical signs for flat and sharp, I'm not sure what the green one is supposed to be, but It's interesting that they look like that and they're right next to the learned songs! Also I just want to say that if someone made a new Ocarina of Time and were able to implement all of the beta stuff and make clever puzzles and stuff, I'd buy the F out of it
The green one is the natural sign, which cancels out sharps and flats
@@RandomUser11170 I knew it was something like that! I took a music class in junior high, but it's been a good 15 years lol! Thank you for the reminder! :)
@@jamesmkay the stones were originally going to be placed into the Ocarina of Time instead of onto the pedestal (you can see the red/green/blue dots on the OoT in this vid). So that's probably why they are shaped like music stuff
@@Kosmicd12 WOAH! I had no idea, that's so cool! Honestly all this demo stuff is so incredible to me! So much respect to all of you guys, I hope I get to see more like this in the future from ZFG!!!! Let's GO
My guess is they originally had a much larger range of notes playable on the ocarina (maybe all 12?) but scaled it back for simplicity, this would also explain why you have so much control over the ocarina's pitch for no real reason.
The little stream area running through the Temple at 8:40 looks better than in the final version, what with the little ferns growing next to the water. I wonder if those were cut from the final version for performance reasons.
Either that or maybe they were visually confusing, too. The stream is kinda narrow in the middle and the ferns are cluttering that area, almost feeling like a barrier. Maybe they got bad feedback in playtests. Probably the same with the light shafts from the windows which I really love: I can totally imagine some playtesters assuming they had to reach those windows because the light made the windows look important, and they were stuck figuring out how. It's exciting to think about all of that, really wish I could have been there lol
We'll know when we see it on real N64.
God I would've loved this beginning section in the final game.
Looking at everything that was cut, I really wish it wasn't
First old games were returning due to (re-)remakes, then randomizers, then beta versions people found... it's really cool!
Yeah uh I absolutely hope someone makes like a semi-playable beta OOT hack or something. Gimme a Wind Temple or Ice Temple at least, so so cool!
I was link in a sky temple in a dream I had some years ago
There's not really anything there... at that point might as well play a romhack with original dungeons.
I think Wind Waker kinda gave us the Wind Temple, complete with a Kokiri. The irony is Wind Waker may have picked up a lost dungeon and and discarded two of it's own. Not sure we ever found out where they went
soooo we not ganna talk about how Mido was shadow medallion? that kid was up to something spooky in early builds
Maybe Mido was a different character in the beta. They got sage names from the Zelda II towns, and Impa was the only sage not named after a town, but a previous character. Mido and Kasuto were the only names left out from the sage list in the final game.
@@--i-am-root I'd suspect he was probably the same character, it somewhat makes sense story-wise as it feels like even in the final, there's... *remnants* of him being pretty intrinsically linked (heh) to Link's growth as a character in a similar way to Saria. The way he locks you out of the Forest Temple for a bit suggests that he wasnt just intended as a one-off bully for Link to lock him out at the start of the game.
My personal theory is that very early in development, the Forest temple may in fact have been the site of the Shadow temple, with the Wind temple being somewhere entirely different (perhaps even where the shadow temple would end up being!).
Think about it; the primary gimmick of the shadow temple is the hover boots and multiple fan rooms, and the forest temple has you chasing after ghosts to unlock the boss room where you fight a phantom of your biggest enemy and perhaps, even your greatest fear. It feels pretty fitting to me if their aesthetics were potentially swapped prior to release.
@@GoodGirlPeruru Good points. I was already thinking about the fan gimmick in the shadow Temple as I was reading your second paragraph, but never considered the Poes or Phantom Ganon in the Forest Temple. That would have been interesting to get more development from Mido.
They Resemble the Zelda 2 Skeletons.
The beta turning animation is so good!
Yeh why they remove that
@@ripp3rjak934Function over form. It looks nice, but it probably feels clunky to do because it takes slightly longer.
I think some aspects of this is better than the final game. Mechanics like the different medallions and arrow combinations are just so cool!
Apprently medallions were supose to use magic like shown here, but the magic aspect was scraped because of the n64 hardware limitations when Ocarina of Time was moved from 64DD regular N64
@@MERCHIODOS was suppose to be added but the DD was a failure so we got majoras mask instead
Really loving the way Link's cap moves. Wish it were in the final game!
The hat physics are so good. They make the animations look so much better.
Maybe the forest temple was more cramped because it was meant to be a child dungeon
Was it...? Hm... I'm trying to remember... I recall the originally-planned story having a temple in the forest that was important for something... Link saved a captured fairy. Maybe that was forest temple. But then why is it so late in development? Maybe they scrapped an older one by this point? It was the Wind Temple after all. I don't see any wind happening...
Oh... But then again, was that story before or after they added 10-year-old Link? I wish we had a time-line of all the changes.
@@Schwarzorn I think it was said young link was around 9.
Zfg is my comfort chanel
So nifty how these spiritual stones were originally natural, flat, and sharp musical symbols.
Alpha Stalzone.
I really enjoy your voice while playing. It is so chilly :-) Thanks
Wow. I guess the creators of Twilight Princess took the appearance of faron woods from the old lost woods! They look very much alike!
Edit: and chuchus apparently
Gospel of Spirit 🙏
This is very cool. Thanks for sharing! I'd love to try this on my Everdrive with real hardware. 😎
Reiterating that this is like the coolest shit
I like this I wish they come out this full game like this
When I was a little kid I always thought that I could use medallions because of their icons which are similar to those of the objects that can be wielded by Link but just couldn't find a trick to use them all.
I was far from suspecting that I was right and NINTENDO, THANKS FOR GIVING ME FALSE HOPES 😭
We have this now? That’s really wild
I can see why the fairy spell did not stick around for the final game 😂 so much extra work required to make sure the player doesn't get stuck
been saying bolero on it's own for so long that it became weird to say Bolero of Fire as a whole, as if it was incorrect. Also didn't help it's between Minuet of Wind and Waltz of Water too either.
This will take a long while until it's finished, meanwhile it'd be cool to play vanilla with link having these extra animations and even the jump
Hat physics are the best
I wonder if Gerudo's would notice you while you're using shadow magic or if you could use that to cheese that part.
I'm just making shid up but I would imagine when they throw you in the Jail the devs would've removed some items so you couldn't cheese it
@@linkswords10 possible but I'm not sure if they would have thought about that.
There are so many ways to cheese things in both N64 zeldas even in the final versions that I doubt they would've been able to really disable them or think about them or even eventually intended you to use it, leave the option open to do so or something in those lines
Shadow was meant to come after Spirit so the ability to cheese the Gerudo's wouldn't have even been possible
Also Spirit Medallion turning You into a Fairy feels like the idea evolved into Young/Adult Link gimmick in the final game now that I think about it
@@TheGameCreator13 well that is if that was the intended order, the Dampé race got altered and put way further into the beginning as well. it's also not impossible to do shadow without the lense of truth, (which you need to even reach spirit, too) so it isn't out of the question either which is by the way also the reason why the game checks for spirit and shadow medaillion for the light arrow check, if it was impossible to obtain the shadow medaillion before the spirit one you'd only have the game check for shadow. Lens also is the only thing stopping you from beating shadow is lens but you can get that in BOTW xD
Ocarina of time isn't a linear game, you can change up the order pretty often. you can do water or fire before forest. Jabu jabu before dodongo and shadow before spirit. the roadblocks you face are always just medaillion triggers. I think the water fire and forest medaillion are needed to trigger botw.
Seems like they haven't changed much about that aspect from beta to final. only a ton of maps perhaps.
Maybe you're mistaking this because of the location you find Nayru's love in.
But yea Spirit medaillion kinda captures that idea.
8:18 the FOOL's door
Congrats on 100k
The hat physics are pretty cool.
so does the spaceworld 97 demo no longer exist anywhere?
Great thumbnail 👌🏻
Getting close to that 100k!!! Maybe the commentated Max% child speedrun can close the gap Kappa
I hope some of these features with the magic items make a return for BOTW2
Transforming into a fairy reminds me of zelda 2, i guess that's where it comes from anyway
Can't wait to see all these in a romhack
Ayeee the wind temple
any reason why the title and Thumbnail change? Nintendo Ninjas?
Midos seal? Was he the original Shadow sage?
Dope
🎶 Super Spinny skeletons 🎶
Does Link's hat have physics in this? That's not in the actual game, is it?
_Gotta say that beta version stuff looks better than the original. Regardless of the graphics, cuz I don't mind them, the ideas are surprisingly amazing._
cloud u live in this forest temple
Have you ever played the Dark Hyrule Fantasy mod?
That mod is really cool.
Cringe Alpha Stalfos vs Based Beta ZFG
To sum it up, if there ever was a more faithful version, he would be playing that instead
Mido’s seal? Lmao wut? What business does he have wit the Shadow temple? 😂
When's the sigma stalfos
rattle me bones
I hate they cut the windows from the final forest temple
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is this real?? so cool!
Hassatitsu
i weirdly want to see the medallions in rom hacks
Would you stop skipping? Sheesh!
imagine if they remade ocarina but used all the shit they cut from these demos and completely redid all the dungeons (obviously)
8:07 Wait is that the harmonic sound from hitting a Goddess Cube in Skyward Sword?
Sure. It's also your standard Zelda transform sound that shares similarities with the elemental arrows
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@@attomicchicken I meant the "humming" noise when he was charging the bow
@@TheGameCreator13 oh the ooooooooooo sound.
The Backrooms vibes
oh
2:57 that's what my girlfriend said... :(
this is awesome but i really want to watch more Zelda rando runs...please upload more of them. ive seen all of the ones you uploaded multiple times
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You again.. Are you a bot?
I wish Nintendo wasn't so secretive about a 24 year old game. Like what the hell is gonna happen to you if you talk about it.
this game would have been immaculate if it kept this simplicity and style, instead they wanted to simplify and then over complicate stuff EHM water temple, completely flat land with 0 breaks in the players path, "advanced" enemy AI and more weapons.