"These horrible people do everything" - Jordan Peterson on Price's Law
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"Out of every 100 men you send to fight,
10 shouldn't even be there,
80 are nothing but targets,
9 are the real fighters, we're lucky to have them for they make the battle,
Ah but the 1, that 1 is a true warrior, and he will bring the others back."
-- Heraclitus.
Yea, that one person is great and all but it would be useless if no one kill the enemy and they just keep chasing until eventually kill all of us.
In a war, it is more important to stop the war than saving people.
The 10 and 80 MUST be there to provide cover, distraction, and added firepower ... Or else the enemy would easily target the top 10, including your '1 true warrior'. Think WWII convoys.
@Jesus is Dog : Between "rape the country and take its oil" and "increase gas price", which one would you pick?
All of the 100 will be killed by a chinese drone. Sara Conors
Comment of the year! Thank you.
These kids being educated by dr Peterson should consider themselves blessed
Timothy Semanie then the question is, do you consider yourself blessed ?
Exactly, hes educating kids, not indoctrinating them and hes teaching them how to think, not what to think. All professors and teachers should be like this. He is a light in the world of academia shrouded in darkness.
JP really doesn't say anything all that new. Sure he added to his body of knowledge and is a fataticical teacher, but what he is teaching is firmly and clearly based in Western philosophy and liberalism. What makes him so fun to listen to and worth the time is because the way he describes it is intuitive and he has a breezy speaking style sprinkled with Canadian colloquialism that just seems to connect high brow pointy head concepts with common understandings. If you watch is videos when he is talking to his peer group he doesn't do that and becomes sort of a big yawn. What I find so interesting about what he says is how so many people have never heard about the deeper concepts that he is building his teaching on top of. His students aren't bless, the ones that aren't his students are dammed (your metaphor not mine) because they are being given educations that they are have a hard time reconciling it with the greater culture and don't know why that is happening. JP isn't wining some debate, he is pointing out how different our intellectuals are from the society they live in because what they are teaching doesn't make since to their other lived experiences within our culture. They see authority figures (professors) teaching things that just isn't what they understand their society reflects. What JP says or teaches is no where near as important as what his teaching represents in a broader understanding of its roots and how different it is from other professors profession of knowledge. He shouldn't be that different from them in their basic underpinnings of Western Civilization - but is - to make him such a celebrity he has become.
Mike Schnobrich TL;DR you're surprised how (a) people are unaware of common knowledge ideas JP is speaking about and (b) other professors have a harder time connecting those concepts to every day life ( (b) is kinda to blame for (a) )
No it isn't, well not as illogical as you are making it out to be anyway. Other professors are not being dishonest by teaching things they don't believe to be truthful. They teach what they have learned to be truthful just like JP is doing. It's what many of them have learned from their professors that is becoming more and more disconnected and inconsistent from the civilization's liberal philosophical underpinnings that produced most of their students.
You know your one of the good workers when fellow employees tell you to slow down, your making everyone look bad. That is when it is time to go into business for yourself.
Mediocrity scales. Talent doesn't.
Sooo correct mate, so correct , esp. in London.
guess you have worked in London then ?(esp. at Heathrow (thiefrow) airport.
So true
It's time to go to your boss and make a negotiation and tell him if he doesn't agree with you there.will.be.consequences.
Q: "What happens when you play Monopoly?"
A: Families are torn apart and good friends never speak again.
Andrew Clover oh, board games can get real personal, real quick!
I win, that's what happens.
The top 1% in reality gets their money through inheritance.
I think its really interesting that he picked Monopoly as the illustrative example here because it was explicitly designed by a Georgist Socialist to illustrate the problems of monopoly rent seeking by landlords and capitalists.
hahaha really??? how stupid
The other worst part is that a good percentage of the incompetent people HATE the small number who do everything because they are better at their jobs.
Well just because half of the work falls onto the square root of the number of employees doesn't mean everyone outside of the productive circle are incompetent. It seems to me more a case of "half of the work can be done by the square root of the number of employees, so they will".
That doesn't just mean most people are lazy and useless.
Yep. Whenever I've done a good job, I've been bullied. Whenever I've been popular, toxic people have tried to destroy my close friendships. This is why humanity is in such a big mess... anything positive set up, eventually attracts the toxic vampires, who will then suck the blood out of it, until it is destroyed.
I lot of good people eventually just ensure that their excellence goes beneath the radar. When I was at school I used to get bullied for getting straight A's. I then started aiming for B's intentionally. I was no longer bullied. Instead, the other kid getting straight A's started to get bullied. Who was smarter!?
I once got fired from a temporary admin position because I did 3 months work in 3 days by automating a lot of the processing (I wrote a program to do it). Instead of the boss being pleased, I was fired. The company was called Cambridge University Press.
Yes, they call us arsekissers, exploiters and think that we are in bed with the bosses
This is so true. When people ask me how many people work where I work, I always say "about half of them".
What half do you tell them you belong to and do they believe you?
At my company, there are six guys including me working in our line of business. 3 of us do almost all of the work. The guy on the bottom is basically counter productive, we would get more done if we paid him to sit in the corner, drink coffee, and never touch anything. But of course that doesn't happen. The next two guys exist mostly to give our customers the impression that something is happening until one of the 3 has time to show up and make something actually happen.
@@aluisious I laughed reading that. Thank you
what the fuck? watch the video, its square root of the people in a domain, NOT HALF. do people actually take notes or pay attention at ALL???
say 100 employees at your workplace, according to Price's law, 10 of the 100 employees do 1/2 of the workload.
I've been on both sides of Price's law. As a blue collar worker I'm like the cream that rises to the top - in white collar world I suck crap. So I concentrated on blue collar work and found that the best earners in blue collar specialize. So I specialized in metal roofing installation. Applied the lean process and the 80/20 principal and bamooo. I want to thank the likes of Jordan Peterson, Paul Ackers, Michael Gerber, David Goggins, John Calvin and Jesus. Best of luck to you and keep watching Jordan!!!
A true Canadian 😂 number of shots scored in hockey
Number of... number of... basketballs.. um, successfully put through the .. hoop
That's our boi
basketball was invented by a canadian
@@spaztor7723 Eh, a Canadian-American who was in Massachusetts at the time. I guess we can give Canada partial credit. Or blame...
How would you say? I was thinking "number of basketballs dunked", but that is to discount the number that were shot from distance. I dunno, I'm South African, we don't play that sport here.
Hahahaha that was my biggest take away as well hahaha. I laughed out loud at that one!
The US Army did a study in WW2 and found that 90% of soldiers didn't even fire their weapons in battle. They basically just served to distract the enemy with numbers. This is why certain units, like the Airborne, Rangers, and Marines had such high combat effectiveness; they were all volunteers, and therefore were motivated to fight, whereas regular draftees didn't even want to be there. Most employees aren't motivated to work, but simply have to, and will do no more than they must to keep their jobs.
Slappy , Yeah , this also slipped into sayings , for instance in the olden times merchant/fishing marine lore . . it was supposedly unlucky to have a Finn on board , & it was true , but what was unstated was why . . it was actually because Finns have a naturally harder working ethic , & would soon show up & replace the slackers on board ship .
That's the first time I ever heard that stat. 90% seem a bit high. I can't imagine the Lt. and top not say anything when they noticed no one was shooting their rifles. I also can't imagine the 10% would feel everyone shooting is important and mention to the others that distracting the enemy is not ok. With that said, how did you make the leap from drafted soldiers to speculating on the motivations of the American workforce. That's a lot of people to lump together to claim you know what they think. And why would anyone feel that someone doing their job is a bad thing. That's a hard rock jobsite your pushing. And do your really feel they would care what you think about working more for the same pay, especially after you start out calling them a bunch of unmotivated ingrates? Why do you think the employees are the reason for their low motivation. The boss runs things the way he want things done and that makes motivation his department. You pointing fingers faulting the employees for lacking sufficient motivation makes you look like a suck up trying to impress the boss that you can walk that big talk of yours scamming a promotion making his coffee and picking up the dry cleaning. But your problem is everybody, including the boss, already figured out you can't pee like the big dogs and bet that you won't last more than a month or two before walking off the job to join the Army where you will volunteer your opinions on how to shoot with high combat effectiveness almost
as good as the Marines can. Good luck!
True that. Getting an employee to go above and beyond is like pulling teeth without anesthesia.
As a consultant, I have often seen how a company would have been better off paying certain employees to stay home, out of the way. I think a basic income could have an enormous positive effect on productivity.
This is true and the law also states that in that top ten 10%, there will be a top 3% and so on (up and up the ladder like the Dr Peterson stated). I was an airborne ranger from 1998 to 2000, and moved on to special forces until I left the army 2005. All the Rangers where cream of the crop, the best 10 percent of all army forces. BUT in the rangers there was a top 3% who had unending stamina, drive and mental fortitude (usually moving even further on to special forces like the commandos), AND among those there was 1% that was the best of the best... the 1% (these are leaders in the special forces).. the absolute elite soldiers in both mind and body. So close to perfection they should be cloned. This law reigns supreme in every aspect of life and nature.
i recently got hired to a large company. i have always worked at small companies. i was shocked how many people don’t work hard and milk the company.
I have also just started working for a 30+ people company for the first time...Amazing how many people just show up to eat lunch, catch up with friends and pick up a salary at the end of the month.....I have to admit, it's enticing to go down that route but I have a goal in sight that keeps me focused
Go postal.
Same experience when my company merged with one five times bigger.
Same for me. One thing needs to be pointed out though. People that go out and beyond tend to do it for egocentrical reasons also. And by egocentrical I mean making themselves indispensable. Companies that allow this to happen are not encouraging the right behaviors in the sense that they are giving these employees way too much leverage. Placing so much blind trust in the hands of the very few makes for a very vulnerable situation, in the long run.
I've given up if I'm honest. When I first arrived I said I wanted to achieve things, get stuff done, cool projects, solve difficult problems! I was told "We'll soon knock that out of you!". I was given one task, I turned that task into commercial software... then another task, I made a web-based calculator allowing users to work stuff out for themselves. Solving difficult problems invades someone else's territory, they don't like it, and they don't like me. No point being creative if nobody cares for the idea... to the point of shouting me down if I dare to present one! - I'm presently working on learning to spout out the standard responses to interview questions... nobody much seems to care for creative ones! .... they care for popping little white balls into holes with a stick... and i don't much care for that!
"People get stuck in their niche and they don't move." So true. Great quote.
Agreed but sometimes companies will not let you get out of your niche if you are one of the few willing to do a difficult job no one else wants
It makes sense. Why move when you dont feel the need?
@@lorijones8352 Yeah or if youre too good at a certain job they wont move you up
I wish I was in the 1% of people who had the opportunity to take his class. His way of lecturing is so fiercely interesting
1% in human history? Or the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1%
It’s free online. Thanks to JBP & internet
You have a phone, look it up and take notes homie. You don’t get to cry.
You have -1 workers. i of them do half the work
www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/
The imaginary part does half the work lmfaoo
There was an old joke; "How many people does it take to dig a ditch..... two ah coming, two ah going, two a crapping, and two ah how'n....... Peterson sounds about right.
You have 1 worker. 1 of them does half the work
@@dLzzzgaming I'm the one who upvoted him, for trying
Fascinating. I have seen this exact thing happen over and over again. Smaller companies with a good idea are built by a small number of doers. Then their success destroys them. More and more milkers latch on. Creativity and competence die. Success and profits die soon thereafter.
That may be the positive side of outsourcing; the group productive in creating a product remains small and a new group productive at building the product rises. Of course that is also the goal of divisions within a company. A lot depends on how you outsource and your criteria for what constitutes success; and the only measure that seems to matter anymore is profit. So quality gets lost, communities get lost. I suspect there is also a cycle where success destroys the very foundation of that success, the people who understood the product retire, and the system has created an insufficient number of people with the experience to replace them. For example, entry at the manufacturing level where the individual understands the processes and techniques producing a small but essential number of future managers who understand what would improve the process and what sorts of products are feasible. We get MBAs who think they can manage anything but don't know the domain of knowledge in which any company operates.
I don't see that positive side coming out. Why? Because regardless of the success or failure of an organization, the people at the top usually benefit immensely the larger the organization gets. If it eventually fails, it's no matter. They walk away with their nest egg. There's no incentive for them to keep their organizations small. The goal is their personal nest egg. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.
Whose coat tails should they ride on. It sounds like the "less" highly creative individuals are making a rational choice riding on some "more" highly creative person's coat tails. I'm not sure what "unearned collective pride" is or how it matters to your argument. You just sort of tossed in in there with no real connection to people riding coattails. Pride isn't earned its given. Also, pride is given by individuals not by some collective, and isn't a healthy ego a good thing that should be encouraged?
All organizations that do not have controlled growth become inefficient. Not just for profit either, I've seen it happen at events like Burning Man, Renaissance Faire and Wasteland Weekend.
For events, the uncontrolled growth spurts dilute the quality and culture of the workers and the attendees. Then the "originals" split off to do their own thing because they don't recognize it anymore. Happens with game developers all the time.
Perhaps.
But isn't the _very purpose_ of working together so that many others don't have to repeat the work that was already accomplished by others cooperating in that same domain? If paradise is a place where nobody has to work, then why is unemployment rating presented as an unfortunate statistics? My answer is that the perplexing nature of humanity is that as a whole, our most effective mode of operation adheres to Price's Law. We can artificially introduce equity to make things more "fair" but only at the cost of limiting our species' potential as a collective.
Ironically (or perhaps fittingly) humanity's most cohesive social configuration is one in which equity does not emerge naturally, but rather the advanced individuals continue to grow while the masses trend towards stasis. But which is better in the long run!? Is it _good_ to continually meet new challenges? That can be frustrating, running as hard as you can just to stay in place. If not, then is it better to find your niche in society, and to comfortably belong there for a great while?
Well, until people can agree on an objective answer to those questions, then what's the point about arguing about Price's Law? Different strokes, for different folks. However, I contend that the determining factor for the progress of society per an individual basis is what it takes for them to find satisfaction.
The price for Price's Law, so to speak, is that success demands an inability to quit--an addiction to progress.
Moral of the story: keep your circle small, it's more likely to be more efficient
@H. DeLoy Johnson Why 5? I know employees can sometimes be a liability to a business. If 5 if the magic number, would it then be wise to create 'fake competitor' companies and add another 5 people there?
Its true, you may have done the marshmallow tower test in groups at some point. The larger the group the worse the performance. Bizarre
It would depend on the goal though. Companies may come and go, just like empires and people do. If the net value over the lifespan of a company is positive (which is possible if the 'good' years overcompensate for the failure) and the company needs a large number of employees due to the nature of its services, then why not? Efficiency isn't everything in my opinion.
@@abelmarsden5862 right. It's the administrative inefficiency that scales with size of project and team size also scales with project size. There's a scarcity of high-value work and an abundance of low-value work. We assign the highest value to the most skilled workers so long as we have them available until we run out of tasks to assign. Depending on the ambition of the organization and the skill of those doing the highest value work, more value creating opportunity comes to an organization and more medium and low-value work trickles down to medium and low skill workers.
JP is consistent with this onus, that ambition is nearly essential to the prosperity of any person or society.
The secret is 5, then entrusting those 5 with 5
I'm so deep into the JP rabbit hole right now
Deividas Stravinskas same! I don’t even want to come out. I just finished the 12 Rules book, and will likely need to read it several times. And even then, I won’t get it all! The closed off places start to open, and the light and air comes in.
@@peggydeffley2194 well said brother
Don’t show JP to people. They might just turn into self-respecting productive individuals with dislike for radical ideologies!
Over a year later, and this is still a highly underrated post.
Hail lobster!
And, many of those non-performers are among the most resentful and entitled.
Why don't you elaborate that statement
Those non-performers complain and conspire and resent those who produce because they themselves are insignificant and worth-less.
I think it's because they don't get the inequality.
They don't get why some get a raise while others don't.
If the productive people were a single population, most of them would also be resentful and entitled towards the minority.
My experience as a manager was that many people overrated themselves. We had a process in which employees would write their own review and then it was compared to the manager's review. I found that mediocre employees would rate themselves high on almost every category. They would write that they gave 110%. Yet their productivity was average.
6:29 Peterson gets asked a question(a good one too), and Peterson's response is thorough, clear, and interesting. Peterson is a gifted lecturer. It shows why this kind of teacher/student interface is critical. The move to online learning is highly detrimental.
Lol at the irony(?) of when you wrote this. What do you think now one pandemic later? It doesn't look very good for face-to-face learning currently.
@@siquod It breaks my heart to see cowardice celebrated as virtue. Who gives a damn about the “pandemic.”
@@robertwilson8184 people who died and lost their loved ones.
@@unbeatengamer755 We send young men to die often to “defend our way of life.” Why are the older generations willing to sacrifice us for liberty, then alternatively willing to sacrifice our liberty for their security?
@@robertwilson8184 Hipocrisy. That being said don't try to fight fire with fire. It may work in other places but it won't work here for now atleast. We will end up only with more casualties as both sides are in the same team.
Jordan Peterson always expands my brain.
Yeah I bet
Always
Probably expands your sphincter too
@@lk6912, Ha! Methinks you are projecting.
So cringe, dude!
One of my favorite things about this man is that he immediately responds to a hand raising in his class. I’ve had teachers before that would take 2 minutes to call on me before I could have ask a question.
I mean I love Peterson, but you don't even see the crowd in this video, how do you know for how long their hand was raised? Sometimes confirmation biases like yours make me think if I do the same about Peterson in a different way.
@@IVIagicful he tends to interrupt his own sentences or thoughts to answer questions, which suggests that he's responding immediately.
You have 4 workers. 2 of them do half the work.
Lmao bro
You have one worker. One of them does half the work.
that's just a good example of his statement that the number of people doing the work grows linearly while the number doing little work grows exponentially. Start at the bottom and watch it happen.
You have work to be done. No one is doing it. And that's that, sunshine!
Jordan Peterson is a bit wrong with this issue. The market or environmet constantly changes. Its easier for smaller businesses to adapt. If there really was a constantly iteration of the same game there would already be one owner of the universe made of part of that universe which is impossible due to second law of thermodynamics. I drunk too much coffee.
This video must be made mandatory viewing at every high school. His and other incredible Professors' classes being free on TH-cam is the best part of TH-cam.
80% would not understand that you are talking to them.
Listening to this guy is like a rabbit hole sometimes lol. He is absolutely one of the most interesting people in modern times. I am impressed!
I think he just proved the key long-term advantage of index funds. You hold all the companies according to their size, with a bias towards the winners-at-present. As times change, those companies sink down the index and are replaced by newer companies, and so on. An index fund works because rather than try and predict the future, it just free rides off of the success of all companies as a whole, and as companies mature and die, their valuation relative to their earnings decreases meaning you will be less exposed to old dying companies vs more highly valued newer companies of a similar size, AND the dividend yield of dying companies tends to increase dramatically.
I'll put it this way, you don't bet on which animals in the jungle are going to do well over the next year or decade, you bet on the circle of life, it moves us all.
Tim Collins good point, but we all knew that. Index funds are the best way for low temperament investors, always have been
In the words of Warren Buffett, diversificiation is for people who don't know what they're doing, it's a hedge against ignorance.
Prosera Startup Solutions and most people don’t know what they’re doing, but naturally they think they do. I know compared to professionals I don’t know what I’m doing only having 5years investing experience. I limit myself to 15% stock picking
@@wallopwallop9125 5 years investing and you can't read a 10k, a balance sheet an income statement, a statement of cashflow?
Prosera Startup Solutions I do, I work in finance, don’t treat me like an idiot I’ve been doing it for several years. You clearly don’t understand investing if you think reading financial statements means it’s a good company 😂😂 you’ve probably made money in the bull run but just wait buddy...
Wow... This was sure spot-on!! And absolutely fascinating too! Snippits like these could be used to jump-start college classroom discussions. Thought provoking.
all jordan's speeches have that eye-opening punchline somewhere in the middle. when you go like WOW and goosebump go over the skin
Now apply Price's Law to the working of a central planning committee, and you have an explanation of why socialism is doomed to fail in every way.
Even in representative democracies such as the U.S. rely upon, the 'planning committee' exists under other labels. Which is why representative democracies also are doomed to fail in every way. But, people -- being as effectively propagandized as they are -- fail to discern this fact. Consequently, they believe that representative democracy is 'good' while socialism is 'bad'. They're 2 sides of the same coin, and you just can't have one without the other.
Besides... the way our representative democracy works, it's supremely immoral. Why? Because at its core, its dynamics are the same as those that we associate with 'bullying'. People don't merely vote for what they want, and feel happy when they get it. No... instead, they vote for what they want, and 'the notion with the most votes'[1] not only wins, but it then imposes its will onto the others who didn't vote for it. Imposing on others is what bullies do... it's what planning committees do... there's only a distinction in the way these impositions occur. *There's no QUALITATIVE distinction between the imposition.*
[1] This is the essence of _ad numerum_ and _ad populum_ fallacies.
The real problem is when things like USSR happen. That 100 of 10000 become villains
@@troystreacker8829 , I don't think the USSR is the real problem. I think it's a symptom of a much larger, and more subtle problem, which is that people -- generally speaking -- aren't taught how to think critically during their primary/formative schooling years.
This sets those people up to be puppets, where whatever they're told is what they tend to believe. Ideas such as 'the popular vote' being wholesome, i.e., 'good', are fundamentally incorrect. It's bullying. Period. And, anyone who presumes to believe differently is either stupid or brainwashed. I know that sounds harsh, but it's one of those 'inconvenient truths' that tends to get overlooked in conversations like this.
People who live in the U.S. exist under a highly oppressive political regime, which also happens to be bankrupt. I think it was a GAO report from 2017 that details the biggest government asset is *student loan debt,* and that it comprises approximately a third of all government assets.
Think about that for a moment and you'll realize that if the same standard of economic solvency was applied to you, or to me, that we'd be labeled "insolvent", i.e., *bankrupt.* But, because our fractional banking system continues to function more or less as it did the day before, people are clueless about the economic and political dynamics that best characterized 'America'.
But, hey, you know... break out the fireworks every July 4th, and let the people have their beer and barbecues, and in no time at all you'll have a fan[atical] patriotism 'celebrating' how great America is.
It's as ridiculous as it is embarrassing. But, if you get enough idiots together who are too stupid to realize how stupid they are, well, they'll echo each other's ignorant chants and collectively believe that they're right in all that they say and feel about the U.S.
And, that goes full-circle to speak to the fallacy of appealing to the 'most' votes, and the most 'popular' sentiment as a civil and sensible means of determining public policy.
America is a joke to every other first-world nation, and its people are too propagandized to see what's clearly before their faces.
@@RichardHarlos Which country right now would you say is better than the GREAT AND AWE-INSPIRING US OF A?
As a political system I would say that representative Republic based on the Athenian model is a terrible political system, but it is better than any other that we have. Unless one can find a benevolent ruler, who is immune to corruption or political influence. Generally those sort of rulers are killed off pretty quick, or the countries they rule tend to come under an ironfist pretty fast.
@@theveldtrekker2550 wrote, _"Which country right now would you say is better than the GREAT AND AWE-INSPIRING US OF A?"_
'Better' needs a context. There's no such thing as a country that's 'better' in every non-trivial domain of concern. If you sincerely want an answer, don't begin by asking ambiguous questions that lack necessary context.
TVT wrote, _"As a political system I would say that representative Republic based on the Athenian model is a terrible political system, but it is better than any other that we have."_
First, again, 'better' has been alleged without a specific context.
Second, the 'lesser of two evils' renders the idea of 'better' impotent. It may be 'better' to get stabbed in the arm than to get shot in the face, but nobody in their right mind would defend the idea that everyone should be stabbed because it's 'better' than the alternative(s). If all political systems are 'bad' by degrees, then the answer isn't to pledge allegience to the 'best of the worst'; the answer is to make something better. It seems most people have forgotten these words:
*"...certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."*
"No good deed goes unpunished"...
This is a lesson I learned in Construction work. The problem lays in the way companies reward behavior.
would you explain please
Peterson here is wrong. No one ever properly finishes a game of Monopoly.
Because it wasn’t designed to be a fun game. It was designed by a Socialist from Philadelphia to illustrate the problems of capitalism.
We were 5. We played for 6 hours. non-stop. I win, but I lost my sanity.
When I was really young, I was quasi addicted to Monopoly, pretty sure my parents wanted to put me up for adoption at a certain point.
They say the reason for the long games is most people actually cheat at the game (collectively, too!). For example, the official rules have nothing about landing on free parking and collecting all the money in the middle of the board. This keeps someone circling the drain in the game much longer. Basically every friendly game is played this way, yet without doing this the herd thins pretty quickly.
@@emielverbeeren8181 they were probably hoping you would get rich and buy them nice things and holidays when they were retired.
wow, i could listen to this man speak for eternity, beautiful!
Having run a company, I can say that his analysis is correct.
Dr. Peterson is a real hero, who doesn't wear a cape; he discarded that many years ago when flying was made easier by airline...
A very interesting lecture!
There is one person doing my homework, me. Now it all makes sense why I only get half my work done.
Prices Law explains a lot. When I was leading large programming teams I worked very hard at getting rid of layabouts and incompetents.
thumbs up for linking the OG lecture
Pearls of wisdom from Jordan Peterson, priceless!
I believe that Mr Peterson has slightly misrepresented Price's Law. It specifically pertains to the relationship between the literature on a subject and the number of authors in the subject area, stating that half of the publications come from the square root of all contributors. It has very little if anything to do with productivity of organiztions.
I don't know.
I think think this is due in part to the momentum factor that determined people will develop because of consistency. Anyone who focuses on developing something will build momentum with time. This is encouraging for me.
Thanks for your channel. Subscribed 😁💕
I wish I could have a professor like him at my university.
Adnan Zia but unfortunately Price’s law also applies to competency in professorship😭
When I hear background music, I immediately conclude that the video provider thinks that the content is weak and needs to be "enhanced". Thank you for not "enhancing" this good content.
More food for thought, thank you Dr. Peterson.
What a clear and helpful teaching, great! I remember my sister telling me that all the people who work for the Dutch government have a lifelong security for being employed by it. Therefore, many of them are just playing and pretend to look busy. She was annoyed, frustrated about it. She felt neglected for doing the work properly, which was on her side an issue with an inner program she developed, taking that stance of hers as the ticket for the ride in her life, the right to exist. Missing a genuine sense of self-worth, never ever getting there, see what I mean? Therefore, she was jealous of those who earned an income without performing adequately. To this day, she can't join volunteering for long, for there's always proof, in her eyes, that others around her are wrong and that she's right, a mountain of a projection of her own lack of value, isn't it? Sometimes people prefer to be right over being happy.
So I guess when the script goes "the rich will keep getting richer, and the poor will keep getting poorer", it's not necessarily because of deliberate maliciousness?
yes it is.. it called politic corruption where wealth reserved only for rich cronies not people...but it not their fault.. it the 90% of dumb people that vote for them in the first place..so it still go back to square one
you reduce the government, you still have employment corruption...there is always 90% of dumb people satisfied with low wage and willing to work for long hours leaving only the hand of few elite grab 90% of company revenue, people is problem .. people don;t learn to understand the figure...jordan peterson think is weird law.. but i think overall people itself are dumb in nature.
Of course it isn't the result of maliciousness. It's the result of effort, talent, education, dedication, and a bunch of other stuff. Those that think the rich are that way because they're swindling others should talk to a back-surgeon I'm acquainted with. He's a billionaire. All he wanted to do was operate on backs. While doing so, he invented a bunch of useful tools and techniques now used world-wide. He didn't become a surgeon to get really rich, it was a personal calling. Or go visit the Geffen Kidney center at UCLA. Geffen paid for it to be built. He didn't have kidney problems, he had a bunch of money and wanted to help. As the African proverb goes "if you want to get wealthy, you need to be smart. if you're not smart, you need to be hard-working. if you're neither, then you're poor.'
And, according to Peterson it isn't a true statement anyway, because who is rich keeps churning. Some rich become poorer and some poorer become wealthier.
It is because of deliberate maliciousness now, because the rich are bribing the politicians. They'd be rich anyway, but now they're ridiculously rich because they're rewriting the rules. Try playing Monopoly where the richest player can rewrite the rules at will and then see what happens.
I was really intrigued by Price's law, so wanted to see if it applied to goals by Strikers/Forwards in the Premier League for the 2020/2021 season.
# Strikers = 92
Square root of # of strikers = 9.5 (we found to 10)
Total goals scored by all 92 strikers = 325
Total goals scored by top 10 strikers = 146
146/325 = 45%.
It checks out! Awesome.
Awesome
That that’s brilliant
Brave students actually asking questions. Good for them.
He is all over TH-cam My God for real,this guy is phenomenal
I worked a job once. I had a handler, i was #1 on my own seniorty board. I trained a couple of people to do what i do.
When the job ended i was laidoff.
Found out the ones i trained didnt like the work. And quit. When the layoff ended i had moved on to another company. A friend who still worked there said my boss hired 4 people to do what i did.
Everything has a season.
Learn your season well. Then it will be useful in your journey thru the next season. Jerky for the journey, so to speak.
Seems that Price's law has been with us since Jesus Christ first spoke of it: "For whosoever has, to him shall be given; and he who has not, even what he has shall be taken from him."
always loved the parable of the ten minas'
According to Jordan Peterson's biblical series, that could be the same lesson as with Cain and Able, so perhaps it's been around a lot longer still.
Wasn't Jesus telling us that we can't take it with us so don't be so tight fisted and focus on something a little more important?
@@mikeschnobrich9694 yep and both of them are true.
@saratogan. Correct. It is called the "Matthew principle" by scholars.
I wish i had even one teacher like this man.
Thank you Mr Peterson. Loved your book!!
There is a saying "It is expensive to be poor"
" Under every rock you will find a politician "Still rings true today.
this guy is totally amazing , you can see is brain working thru an explanation anyone can understand on some really deep stuff.
Wow, this is really eye-opening.
It’s not common to have a good professor, it’s super rare to have Dr. Peterson
He didn't mention Chopin... Should I fight him! 😂
Chopin only composed for the piano, whereas the volume of works for the composers he mentioned are much greater because of the multiple instruments they composed for.
Seeing as incompetence grows exponentially and competence grows linearly, we should only have small companies and small countries.
Feeling blessed to be alive when he is 💖
“What do you know, you dont know. Some DO and some don’t” Jim Rohn
(This is only for professionals)
M C what do you mean by (this is only for professionals) 😂
Peterson: How do decide who is the creative person at your work?
Me:The ones that show up late, *and get away with it*
Yes!! They are often disenfranchised for all the effort and no reward, pigeonholed by bad management. So they dumb it down to be just above everyone else but have stopped caring overall.
@Non,Player, Adeptus By delegating to other people...
I have worked my entire life in an arts sector that is perceived as ‘creative’, but I can assure you that the wizardry of it, is that is a 100per cent collective effort, of anywhere between 10-100 people putting the (metaphoric) nuts and bolts in the right holes at the right time. But the end results are always spectacular.
Most projects that need to be done are so massive in scale that it's impossible for a single person to do it. Even if that 10% does 50% of the work, if there are 10000 hours of work to do in three months, it would be pretty helpful to have a bunch of other people on hand in the team to finish up the loose ends.
Peter I am always amazed by your analytical power. You are a rare guy. I am your fan.
8:58 of pure eyeopening lecture.
"The poor will always be with you". - JC
This sounds a bit like the Pareto Principle ( 80/20 Principle)
Yeah he later swaps in Pareto for Prices in other lectures.
Zipf?
you guys talking about mullets?
@@BMKFILM Oh no, the Pareto Distribution. It's a similar case to Price's Law where there's inequality of effort and therefore inequality of resources distributed. (Some work harder than most and therefore are ;in direct relationship, compensated for it.)
@@TheoCynical ah, so the 20% of hair in the front does 80% of the work
This is fascinating!
I watch this 10 times. Learn new thing every time. 😌
I'm gonna pass on something my grandfather told me, he's a great father, worker, and man in general.
He was fired for working too hard, 3 times. My grandfather was a painter, and a very good one at that. He was fast, efficient, and thorough. In one of his painting jobs, he had the task of painting a whole floor of a building. (He lived in Philadelphia)
He finished the whole floor pretty fast, while the other guys did a couple rooms to 3 rooms each. The boss asked everyone how many rooms they painted. Most said 2, 3, or 4. My grandfather, in his 20s at the time, said 13 floors. The boss fired him on the spot.
The other two times was much of the same situation, so I won't repeat it. But my grandfather said he never thought in a million years that he'd get fired for working to hard or too well. He also mentioned that he had gotten into fights with guys who had a problem with him for the same reason XD
I have seen this in every single company I have worked for.
Wow, you had access to all employee performance reviews in every single company you worked at?
It is good thing that most of resources goes to most productive people that can use those to productive things.
# relentlessly replay must memorize for sure
all of his lectures should be at the very core of the education system, because it's god damn relevant and applicable to life. here in Germany, where the school system is supposed to be rather good, only 30% of teachers and parents say that they feel that school actually prepares their children for life
4:13 “The number of basketballs....... successfully put through the hoop...”
Lol!
Fascinating.
this make's complete sense. If you look at any competitive video game, the players who contribute over 50% of all stats (goals, kills, wins, etc) are always the top 1% of all players.
the reason the money always moves back to the top is because of the old sayings " a fool and his money shall soon part ways". Most people stuck at the bottom end of the socio-economic distribution are already there, or STUCK THERE because of ignorance and incompetence. Not oppression.
I dont though. In my opinion it is your own responsibility to educate yourself in every way you can. You cant just pass the blame to the schools and say it is their fault you are a mediocre person. however that being said, everything is a two way street, peterson mentioned once about how the american education system was developed in the 1890s in chicago to produce factory workers out of all the fresh European immigrants. Thats why you line up in lines and bells chime between each class, just like a factory.
Humans are animals including you and me. Humans will regurgitate the interpretations of the world that are presented to them, just like you are doing now. If you socialize or civilize a human you are essentially training him. We all have a role. A mediocre person as you call it, to me is just a person caught in the middle of someone else's game, someone else's rules, someone else's will. I don't know if you've been to public school, but it takes a lot out of you and crushes your will to succeed and your lust for life. It makes "success" a meaningless concept. And most importantly, it reprimands a creative approach.
Nicolis Clark The rich get rich by knowing how to bend the game and staying there forever, not because they're highly intelligent in other things but that.
weak minded like you
@george george
What you're saying sounds like American Dream myth. Such claims should be sourced. Can you do that?
Only around 35% of people from Forbes wealth list come from unprivileged backgrounds:
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"...basketballs successfully put through the hoop"
Goddamn, Dr. Peterson is the coolest nerd I've ever seen
This is so true. I used to work for a large mnc and they saent 2/3 of their workforce abroad on training. The result was a 50 % increase in production.
Very interesting conversation
Throughout life I believed there were more jobs looking for good men than there were good men looking for jobs.
I have no problem with hard working creative people making money, moreso with their often useless offspring benefitting from that for the rest of their lives
BRILLIANT MAN WHO IS COMPELLED TO SHARE INFORMATION SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE LOVE HE HAS FOR HIS FELLOW BEING
Peterson is onto a great deal of wisdom across disciplines.
It's a cold cruel world. Sounds like the 1% will be the 1% regardless of the system.
Now who is in the 1% at any given time is a different story. All it can take is one bad day (actual language to vary on profession) and down the list you go.
At university class rep approached me and asked that I not turn in any more of my work Chit's as I was throwing off class average and was creating a situation of stress amongst other students,last year and a half I turned in no chits except exam requirements in order that class average catch up ,to this day I still feel slighted. When I graduated and was posted to new clinic after about 4 months or so In was called into Colonel's office,apparently I was producing too much,as we had to submit work sheets similar to University .He told me I was producing more than all other 6 dentists in clinic,and that my production would be divided amongst other Dental officers as if produced by them to make situation more equitable. They finally solved their production problem by shipping me out to a detachment (Military College) where I practised solo, under the guise if it being a reward .All I wanted to do was up and broaden my skills.
Nothing amazing to say, just that I LOVE the end!!!
This is Peterson at his best... Real understanding
I'd like to hear more on how I can get out of zero...
Get a highly sought after skill or skills, toil, get creative , understand basic microecon. Wallah
Ride the coat tails of collectivism, until you consolidate enough personal power that the notion of individualism seems appealing, again. Which is already what happens, because these mathematical laws have been functional long before any social scientist began delineating their beliefs about them. A child is born. They ride the coat tails of collectivism in their mass public school education period. In their 20s, the promise of "getting rid" of the 1% sounds gleeful, because college students don't have anything to lose. The 1% doesn't actually go away, it becomes smaller, 1% of the 1%, really it's the middle class that dissolves the most, and their resources such as they are become distributed to the lower class. Then, in their 30s, once the lower-class move out of poverty into whatever constitutes the new middle-class in their era, a significant portion have kids. Suddenly, their family means the most to them, and they don't give a fuck about the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the... as long as they have their house, and their family of four (half of which is two, so two people do half the work, perfect Pareto distribution there) then they couldn't care less about leftwing politics, and rightwing politics sounds better with each child that's born. That already happens, check the numbers yourself.
Thus the circle of politics continues to turn.
@@ladymercy5275 Nailed it
I am a retired Process Engineer and as part of a processes redesign I would go into an organization and interview everyone who performed a task within the process we were studying. I was always amazed how few people actually understood and supported the entire process, now I understand why. In a successful organization there are sub processes and I would always find someone who mastered those sub processes and others who mastered multiple sub processes. When changes came down from upper management the masters within the organizations were able to adapt to the changes and the organization would re balance after that adaptation. These masters are easy to find because everyone defers to them. Start asking how things work and the same names will pop up in every interview. If you want to increase your departments performance ask the masters how, and they will happily tell you.
Indeed they will. That is as long as they're not preoccupied with toxic organizational insecurity, err, I mean politics. As an instructional designer, 'performance improvement' was also part of my degree program. Your post got my pedagogical juices flowing so-to-speak lol. Subject matter expertise, core competencies, clear measurable objectives, team (re-)alignment, and motivation to name just a few of the many variables that come to mind. My younger self could have never imagined that I would find any of that shit interesting hahaha. Cheers
The Best Video on TH-cam I have watched so far .
Dr.peterson..incredible man
Our times are so prosperous the poor people are fat. And we do that with hardly any farmers either!
+David Rapalyea
Poor people aren't fat because they eat too much, they are fat because they have to make up their daily intake with tasty-but-fattening refined carbohydrates like pasta, white rice, sugar, and white bread. The vegetarian lobby has always fought to keep us from knowing that because it can be seen to encourage meat eating, but it is true. Just stick to meat and vegetables and pretty much anything other than refined carbs, and the pant sizes start dropping almost immediately. Unfortunately, it's way more expensive to eat like that...
Bullshit. I hear that excuse all the fucking time and it's so incredibly lame I don't understand how it makes its rounds on the internet. You can cook healthy on a budget, it's actually rather easy. Fresh meat and veggies are not that expensive, you just have to actually cook your meals and no one takes the time for that anymore; furthermore, fattening foods have less impact if you exert portion control (counting calories). Our poor are fat because they have access to more food than they actually need and lack the self-control to keep themselves from eating it. That's not a bad problem to have, honestly.
+blizzardregulus
It's not about calories, it's about carbohydrates. You just don't happen to have that knowledge and it makes you mad to have that pointed out by a more intelligent person...
Chris Jones
The data from various eating habits and knowledge of our physiology, as well as basic math all tell us it's just about the calories. Italians are considered to be among the healthiest people in Europe and most eat either pasta or rice every day (white, not brown). Likewise, many, if not most, Chinese almost live on rice and most of the ones I've know (although not all) were thin. It's true that meat will help you feel full, because protein is filling and not very caloric, but if you exercise restraint with portion sizes you will not get fat.
Studies at a university near where I live have demonstrated that there is a very real, measurable difference in the quallity of different versions of supermarket food. However, I don't blame that as much as the junk food eating lack of self control (which could boil down to education, but probably more of apathy). On transit buses I regular see poorer mothers giving their two year old coke, potato chips, and friend chicken. It's almost criminal. Further evidence in favour of portion sizes being the culprit, at least in my mind, is that fat parents often have fat children. I don't believe this is genetic in most cases, but an example of poor portion control.
+Edwin ryderberg
Lovely little essay, Edwin, but you're just plain wrong. If a human being eats nothing but steak cubes, cheese, mayonnaise, lettuce, butter, oil, tomatoes, cauliflower, fish, pork, but completely avoids complex carbohydrates they will immediately start losing weight and dropping pant sizes. It was called the Dr. Atkins Diet when it came out in about 1970. You can eat tuna salad 'til you're blue in the face and you will continue to lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
There are left wing organizations such as PETA who don't like that fact very much so they put out a constant chatter about it being all about calories as they chant, "fat makes you fat". The left hates protein because it tends to come from animals so they want us all to eat nothing but vegetables as we sit in our collective farms...
Try it yourself. Just tuna (or any other meat) salad for one week. You will be fucking amazed... No bread. No rice. No pasta. No potatoes... Just try it! (mints for the breath...)
You have a fourth of a worker
A half a worker does half the work
1/8th
Interesting
That's why you shouldn't hire negative workers, because half their work done is imaginary.
That's exactly what happened to a company i worked for.
everyone was pretending to do good but weren't
GOD bless Dr.Peterson
Everyone: "Bih-hee-muth"
Jordan: "BAY-A-MOTH"
Closer to the actual pronounciation, unless you think the Bible was written by Anglos.
"As your Company grows; incompetence grows exponentially and competence grows linearly." Wouldn't the inverse of that also apply?
No
In a dying institution, the competent have all left.
@@iPlayOnSpica ... Apparently Atlas Shrugged is a manual guide.
God bless and save you.